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Loyal people: to the 30th anniversary of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR

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Loyal people: to the 30th anniversary of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR

The very idea of ​​holding a referendum on the preservation of the USSR arose under the influence of centrifugal processes that were growing in the national republics of the Soviet Union. On December 24, 1990, the deputies of the IV Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR voted to preserve the Soviet Union, which, it seemed, should have put an end to political disputes, because the deputies represented the opinion of the people.


However, on January 16, 1991, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR decided to hold an all-Union referendum on the preservation of a single union state and bring up the following question for national discussion: “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which human rights and freedoms of any nationality ”. The referendum was supported by the RSFSR, Byelorussian SSR, Kazakh SSR, Kirghiz SSR, Uzbek SSR, Tajik SSR, Turkmen SSR, Azerbaijan SSR. As a result, the Ukrainian SSR distinguished itself by its "creative approach" to the main issue.

As a result, 185,6 million people out of 148,5 million citizens of the USSR with the right to vote participated in the referendum, that is, 79,5%, of which 76,43% voted for the preservation of the Soviet Union. The highest indicators for the supporters of the preservation of the USSR were in the Turkmen SSR - 97,9%, the Kirghiz SSR - 96,4% and the Tajik SSR - 96,2%. In the RSFSR, 71,3% of the citizens participating in the referendum voted for the preservation of the Union, in Ukraine - 70,2% (again with a reservation to the question that was proposed by the then elites of the Ukrainian SSR).

Thus, the majority of Soviet citizens, regardless of nationality, supported the preservation of the Soviet Union. However, a different, sad fate awaited the Soviet state. In the same 1991, only at the end of the year, the Soviet Union, as you know, ceased to exist. The interests of the common people were not taken into account by the ruling elites. The people turned out to be loyal.

What happened next? The most severe economic crisis in almost all post-Soviet countries, civil wars with hundreds of thousands of victims, rampant crime and drug addiction, destruction of industry and infrastructure. Many of these problems have not been resolved until now, although 30 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, and all post-Soviet republics have long existed as sovereign states. Has life gotten better? Someone and in something - yes! But now we are not talking about this, but about the legal aspects of the referendum: in fact, the popular expression of will was ignored.

Despite the fact that today the representatives of the highest state authorities of the country declare that the collapse of the USSR was a great tragedy, no real actions are taken to confirm these words: for example, the activities of Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin as persons who bear all completeness of personal responsibility for the fate of the Soviet state. Moreover, at the highest state level, the activities of these people are highly appreciated. But isn't this at least wrong with regard to a devoted people? To those citizens who voted for the preservation of the Union, to their descendants?



If we analyze what now, 30 years later, many domestic media are writing about the referendum, then everything falls into place: the USSR is assessed as a “historically doomed” state, those who voted against the preservation of the Union are quoted, while more than 70% residents nevertheless voted to preserve it. However, the problems that the country is still facing are largely the result of the collapse of the USSR, and this cannot be denied. It will take many more years to overcome all the harm that was caused to Russia and other former Soviet republics as a result of the collapse of the Soviet state and, most importantly, as a result of ignoring the results of the popular will.
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  1. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 17 March 2021 09: 50
    -32%
    The USSR was doomed. Red-footed political workers, this is me about the Khrushchev-Brezhnev communists, only those fanatically engaged in making mistakes in relation to the Russian people - they fed and nurtured all kinds of Georgian-Armenian and Lithuanian-Latvian-Estonian outskirts, raised and poured unthinkable funds into Soviet Ukraine, and not the hardworking and talented Russian people, but they also lied and were hypocritical ... The same Khrushchev-Brezhnev time is the time of the reign of political officers (political workers, members of military councils, nomenklatura political workers), who, due to their poor way of thinking, a complete lack of healthy pragmatism and laziness could not provide the country with stupid food, and the most necessary consumer goods, and what was poor and of low quality, could not get out of dead ideological patterns, reacted absolutely ineffectively to external and internal challenges, but even helped a lot to the detriment of the Soviet people , to all sorts of socialism-oriented regimes, whose leaders recently got off their palms s and broke their tail.


    1. UrraletZ
      UrraletZ 17 March 2021 09: 59
      +19
      Curb your wretched whiteness, brown underdog ...
      1. WHAT IS
        WHAT IS 17 March 2021 10: 04
        +49
        The USSR was not doomed, it was doomed. Traitors with a tagged leader.
        1. depressant
          depressant 17 March 2021 10: 19
          +26
          As for the Constitution.
          Here are the revelations of Andrew Wood, the former British ambassador to Russia:

          “This was an important stage in the ongoing confrontation between the vision of the Russian model as very conservative, striving for a kind of continuation of the USSR, with the principle of“ top-down ”power and a powerful security apparatus like the KGB or the FSB. Against this background, Yeltsin in the eyes of the West was hope for the best. "

          Their hope. For their best.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 17 March 2021 11: 24
            +19
            Gorbachev is an anti-Soviet, a traitor to the USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries.
            Gorbachev is guilty of liquidating the USSR!

            Gorbachev created CORRUPTION in the highest echelons of power, breaking up the State Bank of the USSR to pieces and ALLOWING officials in 1989 to enter the BOARDS OF DIRECTORS OF FOREIGN BANKS and receive BONUSES there (from a million dollars) ... That is, GORBACHEV IS PURPOSED to create a corruption scheme DONE ... corruption scheme Works today !!! It was Gorbachev who created the Corruption Scheme of DECOMPOSITION OF THE STATE APPROVAL OFFICIALS!

            Gorbachev - Bribe taker named Mishka-Konvertik.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 17 March 2021 12: 09
              +3
              The formation of the GKChP was planned by Gorbachev. At the same time, Gorbachev used the members of the GKChP; he used the members of the GKChP into the hands of Gorbachev himself for them "in the dark."
              In other words. Gorbachev's voluntary imprisonment in Foros and the organization of the Emergency Committee was a brilliant front operation of the West against the USSR and the socialist system to transfer power in the country from Gorbachev to Yeltsin.

              In fact - How the USSR was killed: Gorbachev's guards were on the lie detector. Release dated 26.10.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 17 March 2021 13: 50
                +5
                In 1990, Gorbachev and Ryzhkov forced the CMEA to decide that trade would be conducted only in dollars. At the same time, the CMEA countries did not have dollars for this - and here the IMF and the World Bank come to the rescue!
                In other words, Gorbachev created unprecedented demand for American money
                in the USSR / RF and in the CMEA countries.


                TOTAL What laws and economics will be in Russia in the 90s - it was already decided in Washington. And in the MTSP / Russia, numerous American advisers raided, who turned a powerful power into a controlled third world country.

                How did Yeltsin come to power? Washington Regional Committee. Nineties (90s) @ Central Television. • Nov 30. 2020 g.
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 17 March 2021 17: 07
                  +6
                  As a person who for the most part lived in the USSR and well remembers all the circumstances of his death testify: the beginning of the collapse and death of the USSR was laid by Gorbachev with his deceitful and stupid perestroika. Was it necessary to reform the USSR then? It is necessary, of course. But not so clumsily, deceitfully and stupidly as that stupid guy. One stroke that testifies to his "honesty". Chatting at every corner about the honesty and modesty of the entire top, Bullseye quietly built himself a luxurious villa in the Crimea. We all did not believe the stories of the neighbor who worked on the construction of the villa. But then he showed a medal for that construction.

                  And the people were dumbfounded by the flow of unknown information pouring from all the media (the leader was "Ogonyok"), into which the false disinformation of the Western special services was skillfully intertwined (the beginning of the current betrayal was laid then). Some not very smart and not very literate did not understand and believed the lies, they still believe. It was then that local enemy collaborators and opponents of all stripes raised their heads.

                  But even with the flow of misinformation, the people by a majority voted almost everywhere (except for the Baltics, Moldova, Armenia and Georgia, where there was no vote) FOR the preservation of the USSR.

                  But the desire of the people blatantly deceived Yeltsin and his companions, who in the most shameless way, through manipulations, destroyed the USSR, distorted the will of the people, destroying a great country and crippling the lives of tens of millions of people.

                  Are Gorbachev and Yeltsin traitors? I think, undoubtedly, yes! And Yeltsin also brought the country to the last line, after which only a catastrophe and the death of Russia dismembered into pieces forever.

                  Putin managed to take the country away from the dangerous line (and this is his undoubted merit), he is slowly raising the country (many want faster and more drastic changes). However, most Russians and Russians do not like his respectful attitude towards those who destroyed the USSR, spoke out and are opposed to the USSR, and not always respectful attitude towards the USSR and the leaders of that great devoted country.
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 18 March 2021 17: 44
                    -5
                    As a person who for the most part lived in the USSR and remembers well all the circumstances of his death, I testify: beginning of decay and the death of the USSR, Gorbachev put his deceitful and stupid perestroika.


                    NONSENSE. It all began with the XX Congress. By the beginning of Chernenko's reign, everything was ripe. Well, Gorbachev had to finish the job.

                    The question is, what would have happened if the labeled one hadn't come to power at all? I do not know, but I think there would be another well, even if EBN. There was no one on the horizon in the 80s like J.S. Stalin.

                    And probably forgot about most of them already. How they pulled from work everything that was lying badly How we slept at meetings and then in the evenings listened to the voice of America and in the kitchens unfunny, but political jokes were told. And the village was drunk and depopulated even before Gorbachev. And most importantly, well, they did not believe what the authorities said about the USSR and about the foreign lands, and in many ways they did not believe in vain. am In general, by 90, everyone was already at a low start.
                    1. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 18 March 2021 17: 53
                      +1
                      Quote: bk316
                      NONSENSE. It all began with the XX Congress.

                      You're not right. Yes, Khrushchev shook the foundations, but did not start collapse. And there were always deviations. Even with the stern Joseph Vissarionovich.
                      I have said and repeat many times: if perestroika were to be done for real and with mind, then today we would live better!
                      1. bk316
                        bk316 19 March 2021 12: 23
                        -1
                        Yes, Khrushchev shook the foundations, but did not begin to collapse.

                        This is a terminological dispute. Better answer was someone in the Politburo who could carry out perestroika wisely?
                      2. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 19 March 2021 12: 30
                        +2
                        Quote: bk316
                        Better answer was someone in the Politburo who could carry out perestroika wisely?

                        There were. And not alone. But I don't want to talk and discuss now. Precisely because it is now empty.
                      3. bk316
                        bk316 19 March 2021 12: 58
                        0
                        Precisely because it is now empty.

                        Unfortunately yes. History does not tolerate subjunctive moods.
                        But the assessment must be given not only to the marked but also to Khrushchev.
                    2. for
                      for 22 March 2021 11: 27
                      -1
                      Quote: bk316
                      Better answer was someone in the Politburo who could carry out perestroika wisely?

                      Almost Anyone! Just what is the purpose of this restructuring. Gorbachev carried it out "successfully" only after the collapse of the USSR.
                  2. ivan2022
                    ivan2022 20 March 2021 13: 39
                    -4
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    I have said and repeat many times: if perestroika were to be done really and wisely, then today we would live better!


                    It is of course, if the master is kind and smart, then the serfs live well. The trouble lies elsewhere - in the "land of slaves - land of masters", the traditions of society do not allow the best to be at the helm.
                    The CPSU had a statutory principle of dem-centralism; all positions are elective and accountable to congresses and assemblies.

                    It was then that it turned out that a worthy person has no opportunity to break out into the chiefs with such an order in our blessed society. Slaves only want slave owners. Our word "authority" has a certain meaning ...
          2. Alexfly
            Alexfly 17 March 2021 17: 22
            0
            Those. Tatyana, are you absolutely sure that Yeltsin (EVN) became the savior of Russia?
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 17 March 2021 19: 11
              +3
              Quote: AlexFly
              Those. Tatyana, are you absolutely sure that Yeltsin (EVN) became the savior of Russia?

              Why did you get this, that I can consider Yeltsin the savior of Russia?
        2. Boratsagdiev
          Boratsagdiev 23 March 2021 12: 42
          0
          Gorbachev is guilty of liquidating the USSR!

          unfortunately he is not alone. Many have a stigma in the gun. When agreements with the West were discussed (publicly), one was stipulated and another was signed. Moreover, they often changed the meaning of the content without notifying each other (including their side).
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 23 March 2021 12: 49
            0
            Quote: BoratSagdiev
            Gorbachev is guilty of liquidating the USSR!

            unfortunately he is not alone. Many have a stigma in the gun. When agreements with the West were discussed (publicly), one was stipulated and another was signed. Moreover, they often changed the meaning of the content without notifying each other (including their side).

            When the head is "taken off," "cut off," then her whole body, tied to this head, will sag.

            In other words. When Gorbachev is found guilty, then all of his Ko will fall down - all the participants associated with him and participating in the betrayal of the country's national interests.
            Therefore, as they talked about Gorbachev, it is necessary to talk about him! He himself, in theory, in his own defense, can betray many if the investigation begins, as is usually the case.
    2. Machito
      Machito 17 March 2021 11: 15
      +9
      Quote: WHAT IS
      The USSR was not doomed, it was doomed. Traitors with a tagged leader.

      I heard this story from one person. After the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, Raisa Gorbacheva went to Chernobyl and with a huge retinue of one hundred people roamed around the reactor. As a result: a bunch of dead people among the retinue and the illness of the secretary general's wife (she had something wrong with her blood, if my memory serves me right). Her husband sent for treatment to a clinic in Germany, to his sworn friends. Well, after that he merged the country of the USSR and all its people. Thus, Mishka Marked ditched the country that our ancestors had created for centuries, and millions of Russian people for his stupid wife Raika.
    3. Million
      Million 17 March 2021 11: 29
      +13
      I think that the tagged one was a wedding general in the collapse of the USSR. He could hardly have done it alone, he would not have had enough intelligence. Although he is the first to be held responsible for this. It is even strange that he is still alive.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 17 March 2021 12: 02
        +4
        Quote: Million
        he would not have had enough intelligence.

        And you don't need to break a big mind.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 17 March 2021 12: 20
        +4
        Quote: Million
        Think that tagged was a wedding general in the collapse of the USSR. He could hardly have done it alone, he would not have had enough intelligence. Although he is the first who should be responsible for this

        Marked was the first high-ranking and well-paid traitor to betray the country he ruled and the people who trusted him.
        Back in 1989, American scientists Jeff Coms and Thomas Neff put forward the idea that weapons-grade uranium from the USSR could be used for US nuclear power plants after its disarmament, calling it a "win-win option." Coincidence? I don’t think so. This suggests that mattresses with Mikhryuta agreed on everything two years before Belovezhskaya Pushcha, and he faithfully played the role assigned to him. Another is surprising - "How did the KGB miss such a fat mole?"
        1. Million
          Million 17 March 2021 12: 26
          +7
          The KGB has the most questions, as well as the entire Supreme Soviet.
          Gorbachev is not Stalin, he alone is unlikely to decide something
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 17 March 2021 12: 30
            +2
            Quote: Million
            Gorbachev is not Stalin, he alone is unlikely to decide something

            I agree. In the process, he formed his entourage based on their loyalty and the degree of willingness to lick the fifth point to the West, and not for the sake of the country, but for personal gain. yes
            1. Million
              Million 17 March 2021 12: 32
              +2
              Yes, Rust also, I think, not by chance landed on the Day of the Border Guard on Red Square
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 17 March 2021 12: 35
                +5
                Quote: Million
                Yes, Rust also, I think, not by chance landed on the Day of the Border Guard on Red Square
                This is yes. After Rust, the generals and other "objectionable" ones were cleaned out, pushing the necessary fly agarics in their places.
          2. ivan2022
            ivan2022 20 March 2021 19: 50
            -2
            Quote: Million
            Gorbachev is not Stalin, he alone is unlikely to decide something

            Stalin from 1923 to 1941 did not hold any posts at all in the government of the USSR. And in the VKPb party, Stalin was a secretary, there, according to the charter, all positions were elective and accountable to meetings and congresses. Under Soviet law, Stalin did not decide much. The point is different - in the traditions of society. In the "land of slaves, the land of masters" any advantage. the politician is KING AND GOD. Even the Secretary General, even the President.
            The USSR was completely destroyed in violation of the laws. Both the USSR and the Russian Federation. This was established by the State Duma commission back in the 90s. BUT OUR BLESSING SOCIETY 2 TIMES ELECTED PRESIDENT (sorry, tsar!) Guys, you did it yourself!
      3. for
        for 22 March 2021 11: 32
        +1
        Quote: Million
        I think that the tagged one was a wedding general in the collapse of the USSR.

        Like Yeltsin. The Moors have given up their work.
    4. dgonni
      dgonni 17 March 2021 13: 49
      +3
      The question is who?
      How many officers were there in the army? And how many of them are communists? District committees of city committees! Kamsamol!
      How many people from the male population of the union took the oath?
      And how long did you go out to defend the country after Pushcha?
      Zero! That is, or something is wrong with the country, or the country is not so affectionate!
      So it needs to be pushed from a sore head to a healthy one.
      Everyone who writes a wonderful country right now. They didn't do anything and didn't even try to do it in their place!
      Therefore, adieu!
      1. Kart
        Kart 17 March 2021 15: 51
        -4
        Everyone who writes now about the beautiful country of the USSR is lying.
        Otherwise, they will have to admit that the Soviet people who did not come out to defend such a beautiful country were simply stupid, and that's all.
        Well, if so, then the country that brought them up like this cannot be beautiful.
        Here they have a vicious circle. Therefore, they write without fancy - she was beautiful.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 17 March 2021 16: 36
          +7
          And what could the people do: take by storm the police stations, OMON bases and weapons depots in military units and go to Moscow? For this you need to organize and seriously prepare.
          Therefore, do not blame everything on the people. We (the people), as always, were betrayed and used by those who seized power. Could the people have thought that those who would come after the communists would steal and mock the country like that? They promised the people a better life and they still promise.
        2. bk0010
          bk0010 17 March 2021 20: 03
          +3
          Quote: Carte
          Everyone who writes now about the beautiful country of the USSR is lying.
          Otherwise, they will have to admit that the Soviet people who did not come out to defend such a beautiful country were simply stupid, and that's all.
          Soviet people simply could not imagine that the USSR could collapse. To the fact that at the top tryndyat all sorts of nonsense have long been accustomed to. They thought that the CIS was a USSR without the center, which everyone got tired of and ruined everything. I am sure that most of those who voted against the preservation of the USSR wanted to kick Gorbachev and Ryzhkov, and not the collapse of the country.
        3. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 18 March 2021 16: 52
          -1
          The technology of color revolutions began in Khokhlostan, one of the main components, betrayal in the upper echelons of power, all the media, which people were taught to believe for decades, Yakovlev left at the mercy of the forces striving to eliminate the USSR, from every iron they scolded the past, and promised a bright future, and economically, the people lived worse and worse.
      2. dauria
        dauria 17 March 2021 15: 58
        -4
        Didn't do anything and didn't even try to do


        Why "didn't they do anything"? They also supported Boris's collapse.
        "Party, let me steer", Down with party buffets, stop eating folk sausages. Let's throw off the pack that has been cracked from privileges, but how will we live ... laughing And not just anyone on the outskirts, but in Moscow itself. Which really complain about a bad life - the most accurate "rage with fat". The supplies are excellent, and the prices are Soviet (that is, for nothing).
        And along the periphery, bewildered, they scratched their turnips and also, "Yes, this party went through the forest, I'm tired of smoking with vodka according to coupons and an entry in the queue for a color TV set."
        What's wrong ? Well well. wassat And everyone who is more than "fifty dollars" knows it very well. But it is not comme il faut to blame oneself for the collapse of the country. Vaughn "marked with wrestling." Convenient and at ease with a conscience.
  2. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 17 March 2021 10: 42
    -13%
    For Urraletz, it was the Ukrainian communists who took Crimea out of the RSFSR. Because of them, Crimea remained in Ukraine in 91. Because of these gifts from the communist party nomenklatura, Russia lost Sevastopol in 91.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 17 March 2021 11: 47
      +4
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      it is the Ukrainian communists who took Crimea out of the RSFSR.

      The transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR (also known as the “transfer of Crimea to Ukraine”) was carried out on the basis of the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of February 19, 1954.
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      Because of them, Crimea remained in Ukraine in 91.

      also nonsense. Kravchuk asked Yeltsin in Pushcha: what are we going to do with Crimea? -EBN replied, "let it stay."
      And the most important thing! Which republic is from the USSR first declared from leaving it?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 17 March 2021 14: 10
        -1
        Quote: Silvestr
        The transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR (also known as the “transfer of Crimea to Ukraine”) was carried out on the basis of the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of February 19, 1954.

        No: the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR was decided precisely CPSU: , namely - By the decision of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU on the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR on January 25, 1954 (No. P49 / XL from 25 January 1954, ALRF.F.Z.Op.10.D.65L1,4-b)
        And already on the basis of the decision of the CPSU OCK, the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces represented, again, by a member of the Central Committee and Chairman of the USSR PVS Voroshilov, executed it.

        By the way, an interesting fact is the fool of the last Chairman of the USSR Armed Forces Lukyanova- Elena, she called the reunification of Crimea with Russia ... barbarism and faithfully serves in the team ... of Khodorkovsky.
        .
        Quote: Silvestr
        also nonsense. Kravchuk asked Yeltsin in Pushcha: what are we going to do with Crimea? -EBN replied- "let it stay"

        Transcript? lol
  3. Vend
    Vend 17 March 2021 10: 57
    +2
    Quote: UrraletZ
    Curb your wretched whiteness, brown underdog ...

    What did he write wrong? The USSR was killed not by the citizens of the country, but by those who were in power. Or do you think otherwise?
  • Svarog
    Svarog 17 March 2021 10: 21
    +19
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    USSR was doomed

    Doomed because of the traitors in power who, despite the vote and the overwhelming majority "For the USSR", still destroyed the Union .. and did not bear any responsibility .. this fact is especially annoying.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 17 March 2021 10: 36
      -5
      people betrayed laughing ... it was necessary to elect the head of state by popular vote, by direct voting (!), and not at a gathering of the nomenklatura ...
      and the people have nothing to do with ... whom the commies nominated, they chose - what have the people to do with it? but the commies did not trust their people ...
      Since 1970, Gorbach betrayed his people ...

      And here the whole gang is assembled - I especially liked the ending of this performance,
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 17 March 2021 12: 05
        +12
        Quote: Nasr
        And here the whole gang is assembled - I especially liked the ending of this performance,

        The gang is not only "here", it is still in the Kremlin. The case of Gorbachev and Yeltsin lives on, Putin congratulated Gorbachev on his birthday and called him an outstanding statesman. He has the same attitude to Yeltsin, laying flowers on his grave every year.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 March 2021 10: 34
    +4
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    fed and nurtured all kinds of Georgian-Armenian and Lithuanian-Latvian-Estonian outskirts, raised and poured unthinkable funds into Soviet Ukraine, and not the hardworking and talented Russian people, and also lied and hypocrites ...

    Well, what is the breadwinner, now we are not "feeding" anyone, has it become better to live ?!
    1. Kart
      Kart 17 March 2021 11: 48
      -11%
      And what, the Internet for coupons?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 March 2021 12: 10
        -3
        in the sense of the main post to write or can you prove something with examples?
        1. Kart
          Kart 17 March 2021 12: 16
          -13%
          What are some examples?
          You write that life has become worse.
          Is it worse for you personally? Maybe. It all depends on what is best for you personally. For example, some people here think that standing in line for food, but having a free education is better.
          We have observed the results of this formation since the collapse of the USSR. It helped some, and vice versa for others.
          But for some reason it turns out that all those who were better at that time turn out to be party or other bosses in the past.
          And still, foaming at the mouth, they prove that it was better then.
          To them, yes, no doubt. The rest just wanted to eat and get dressed.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 March 2021 12: 25
            +5
            Quote: Carte
            some here feel like standing in line for food

            food "in bulk" but you can't eat it, by the way, you personally stood in line a lot for food

            Quote: Carte
            We have observed the results of this formation since the collapse of the USSR. It helped some, and vice versa for others.

            What are you? !!!
            that is what helped today will not survive such a crisis
            Quote: Carte
            The rest just wanted to eat and get dressed.

            well, yes well, yes, naked hungry people with poor education wandered through the expanses of the USSR

            once again in numbers can you prove that the state has become more powerful, and life has become better?
            by the way, it's not so difficult to prove the opposite
            1. Kart
              Kart 17 March 2021 14: 26
              -7
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              food "in bulk" but you can't eat it, by the way, you personally stood in line a lot for food

              Has everyone already died of hunger and disease? Well, since you can't eat it.
              And yes, I personally stood in these lines. And more.

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              well, yes well, yes, naked hungry people with poor education wandered through the expanses of the USSR

              Believe it or not, there was DOFIGA like that. What they wore and what kind of education they had in the villages - I know.

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Once again, in numbers, can you prove that the state has become more powerful, and life has become better?
              by the way, it's not so difficult to prove the opposite

              Well, prove it in numbers. This is your statement that life has become worse.
              True, I personally do not need numbers.
              I do not need the USSR in which to feed the child - buy cyanotic milk and buckwheat with coupons once a month. As an example.
              I don’t want that again, I’m quite comfortable now, much more than then. But don't worry - not an oligarch or an official. They are taking everything away from you, your property?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 17 March 2021 15: 15
                +4
                Quote: Carte
                Well, prove it in numbers.

                population of the Russian Federation in 20 - 146,7 million / population of the RSFSR 91 g - 148,0 million
                sown area - 117.7 million hectares / 79 million hectares
                Livestock of cattle million heads - 58,8 / 18,8
                .
                further it is lazy simply
                Quote: Carte
                I don't need the USSR in which to feed the child - buy cyanotic milk

                do not write nonsense and do not lie, you bought milk in an alliance with the freshest
                1. Kart
                  Kart 17 March 2021 15: 46
                  -1
                  Of course, the freshest. Only very liquid. Our local dairy produced this.
                  And of course I liked the sown area.
                  Now in any store any cereal heaps, and then only perhaps millet and barley on the free sale. And, yes - even gobies in a tomato, a tourist's breakfast with fish, and a coffee drink "Kolos" half and half with margarine.
                  But the newspapers were humming with each other about the record livestock, milk yield and sown areas.
                  And now it's the other way around.
                  How is it, comrades?
                  This is about numbers, and their reliability in the communist mouth.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 March 2021 16: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: Carte
                    Of course, the freshest. Only very liquid. Our local dairy produced this.

                    I did you want sour cream instead of milk?
                    by the way, now it's not liquid now it's just not milk
                    Quote: Carte
                    Now, in any store, any groats are heaped up, and then only millet and pearl barley are on the free sale.

                    stop talking
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 17 March 2021 10: 38
    +12
    And then you studied at school, free of charge, and treated you as a child, free of charge, at the expense of the "red-fins". So think before you write and choose expressions.
    1. Kart
      Kart 17 March 2021 14: 30
      -6
      Didn't his parents work? Did the "redfins" feed them?
      Something tells me that it was at their expense that they were treated and taught.
      And these only ruled. Well, they took a little for themselves, of course - in the form of privileges, distributors, foreign goods, Moscow education.
      How they managed - it became finally clear in 1991.
      1. Rosko
        Rosko 18 March 2021 03: 36
        +1
        You are an excellent liar ...
  • place
    place 17 March 2021 15: 18
    -1
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    The USSR was doomed. Red-finned political workers, this is me about the Khrushchev-Brezhnev communists, only those fanatically engaged in making mistakes in relation to the Russian people


    The CPSU, like the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, had a completely democratic charter. The basic principle is democratic centralism. That is, all leaders are elected and accountable to meetings and congresses. Thus, the doom of the ruling party and the USSR is a consequence of the SOCIETY UNDER DEVELOPMENT. In the "land of slaves, the land of masters" there could be no "proletarian democracy" and no socialism. After the abolition of serfdom, 7 generations must change, and only then will the people learn to enjoy the fruits of democracy. In the meantime, the political process reminds of I. Krylov's fable "Monkey and glasses". It's the glasses that are to blame for the monkey stringing them on the tail ...
  • 1536
    1536 17 March 2021 23: 02
    +1
    My opinion is that if in those years the country would not have created an artificial shortage, first of all, food, and then consumer goods, cars for personal use, various consumer electronics, etc., which turned into a total deficit in the last years of the existence of the USSR , when even buying cigarettes became a problem, so if this had not happened, the USSR would never have collapsed. And if someone says that the socialist system was distinguished by the fact that it destroyed itself, that is a lie. It's like a healthy tree, it is even problematic to cut it down, but if all sorts of bugs like beetles, leaf beetles, weevils, etc. come and settle in it. creatures, then the tree will end sooner or later.
  • Vasia
    Vasia 18 March 2021 05: 42
    +3
    Red-finned political workers, I'm talking about the Khrushchev-Brezhnev communists ...

    In many respects I agree, after the Khrushchev Sabbath the communists became less and less in power, they were ousted by the "communists".
  • Woodman
    Woodman 17 March 2021 10: 00
    +8
    It will take many more years to overcome all the damage that was caused to Russia and other former Soviet republics as a result of the collapse of the Soviet state.
    This is the main thing to understand. Alas, the greatness of a country is not created by mere desire, it is always a gigantic and hard work of entire generations. And which, unfortunately, was devalued twice in a hundred years ...
    1. tatra
      tatra 17 March 2021 10: 06
      +21
      Who will overcome? All the enemies of the communists are AGAINST the restoration of one large country, they all ditched all industries in all the Soviet republics that they captured, with them the people on the territory of the USSR are dying out at a tremendous pace, and further with them it will only get worse for all the republics of the USSR and their peoples captured by them.
      1. WHAT IS
        WHAT IS 17 March 2021 10: 15
        +24
        Yes, there is no one. Many officials are not thinking about restoring the country to the level of the Soviet social system, but how to cheat a little more and take the loot outside the cordon to their chambers on the azure banks, where their families live.
      2. Woodman
        Woodman 17 March 2021 10: 18
        -7
        Quote: tatra
        Who will overcome?

        Yes, all the same. Those for whom Russia is not an empty phrase. Those who are not used to and will not get used to whining and feeling sorry for their loved ones. Those who are not looking for excuses and excuses in their own helplessness. Those whose ancestors threw off the Mongol yoke, broke the back of Napoleon and drove the Wehrmacht from Moscow to Berlin. Whether they are communists or not is secondary.
        Quote: tatra
        further with them it will only get worse for everyone

        With such a psychology - of course. There are even those who will be happy with such a development of events because they will earn virtual popularity on this. There is a category of critics for whom the worse things go, the better for them.
        1. tatra
          tatra 17 March 2021 10: 30
          +9
          Ha, of course, with such a psychology as your enemies of the communists - fear of the slightest responsibility for the country that you, with great show-off, took away from the communists and their supporters, and for everything that you did with the country and the people after you captured the USSR - nothing good from you for the country and the people can not be expected. And I have a reality - HALYAVA - that, due to which you parasitized for 30 years - the Soviet legacy, large incomes from the export of natural resources, you are running out.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 March 2021 10: 36
            +10
            Quote: tatra
            fear of the slightest responsibility for the country that you took away from the communists with big show-off

            probably because of the courage dad ZYu at 96 chickened out and agreed with the election results
            1. Machito
              Machito 17 March 2021 11: 26
              +8
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote: tatra
              fear of the slightest responsibility for the country that you took away from the communists with big show-off

              probably because of the courage dad ZYu at 96 chickened out and agreed with the election results

              Pope SJ is the head of the leader of the ruling bourgeois party of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. There is only one word in the name of communism in this party. Places on a party electoral list are sold for money. Zyuganov's speeches contain many useful thoughts on the social security of the people and the development of the country, but this does not affect lobbying and voting in the State Duma of the relevant laws. In 2012, when Churov, with his 146%, was engaged in large-scale falsification of votes, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation did not sue other parties for the votes stolen from her and once again betrayed the people. The Communist Party is not communists, but capitalists in red robes, costumed.
              1. Kart
                Kart 17 March 2021 11: 53
                -2
                Quote: Bearded
                The Communist Party did not sue other parties for the votes stolen from it and once again betrayed the people. The Communist Party is not communists, but capitalists in red robes, costumed.

                The worst thing is that the CPSU, starting with Brezhnev, gradually turned into exactly this - the capitalists in red robes.
                So they didn't need the USSR, and the question of its liquidation was a matter of technology.
                Which was done by the communists from the CPSU.
                The CCP is now turning into the same mummers before our very eyes. They just turned out to be smarter than ours.
                But - we'll see how it ends. I think it's a failure.
                1. Machito
                  Machito 17 March 2021 12: 39
                  +6
                  The CCP operates in orders of magnitude smarter than we are witnesses. China has sustained large long-term growth of the economy, GDP, industry, transport, living standards and social security of citizens, etc. The successes of the Chinese space programs, the construction of the army and navy are envious. The United States increasingly calls China its main adversary, which testifies to our degradation. The CCP keeps the business tight-lipped and forces it to act in defense of national interests. The collapse of the USSR taught China how not to act.
          2. Woodman
            Woodman 17 March 2021 10: 51
            -1
            Quote: tatra
            Ha, naturally, with a psychology like your communist enemies

            Stop the tantrum.
            Quote: tatra
            And I have a reality - FREEZE

            This is the main thing that you need from life. And you are only hiding behind the communists, because I have not come across anything sensible and meaningful in any of your comments.
            By the way, are you not disgusted with the gold color on your nickname, as a "friend" of the communists?
            1. tatra
              tatra 17 March 2021 10: 53
              +1
              Stop the tantrum
              1. Woodman
                Woodman 17 March 2021 11: 13
                -2
                Here's another feature of yours - you never answer the question posed.
                Well, at least they stopped hysteria, and thanks for that, "friend" of the communists.
                1. tatra
                  tatra 17 March 2021 11: 16
                  0
                  Ha, what's the question? Why do you, the enemies of the Communists, after your seizure of Russia, so love to discuss everything that the Bolshevik-Communists and their supporters have done, and so do not like to discuss yourself, everything that you yourself have done?
                  1. Woodman
                    Woodman 17 March 2021 11: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: tatra
                    Ha, what's the question?

                    Yes, there is usually a question mark after the question - take a closer look.
                    Quote: tatra
                    so don't like to discuss yourself

                    You can, of course, discuss me too, but then bash for bash - i.e. and you too. Are you ready, "friend" of the communists?
                    And just for the sake of interest, compare how many of my comments are devoted to "discussing the Communist Bolsheviks" and how many of yours are devoted to "discussing the communist enemies" to whom you asked ... to cede Russia, before discussing who loves what more.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 17 March 2021 12: 08
              +2
              Quote: Lesovik
              you are golden

              It's actually yellow. wink
              By the way, your idol Putin is also from the galaxy of the last communists. One hundred pounds is the same shape-shifting capitalist! wassat
              1. Kart
                Kart 17 March 2021 12: 17
                -4
                So he does not hide.
                Not pretending to be a communist, not talking about social equality.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 17 March 2021 12: 25
                  +6
                  I mean, not pretending? He did not hand over his party card, did they know? He is precisely a traitorous communist, just like Gorbachev. It also continues to ruin the country, destroys industry, education, medicine, and harasses the population. The pace has really slowed down, but I think so, not because of kindness, but so that people would not catch on. But the people are still getting their sight, I think this year there will be a kirdyk of your power.
                  1. Kart
                    Kart 17 March 2021 14: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I mean, not pretending? He did not hand over his party card, did they know? He is precisely a traitorous communist, just like Gorbachev.

                    The CPSU ceased to exist.
                    To whom and who should return the ticket?
              2. Woodman
                Woodman 17 March 2021 12: 27
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                By the way, your idol is Putin

                I have no idols, but I respect Putin. And Stalin, by the way, too. Because both the country from ... was pulled out.
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                from the galaxy of the last communists. One hundred pounds is the same shape-shifting capitalist!

                Straight and a shape-shifter? Well then, all the party members as one, all shape-shifters are obtained. Using the terminology of "friend of the communists" it turns out that the whole party of communists consisted exclusively of "enemies of the communists".
                If any of the contemporaries is a shape-shifter (not counting the only president of the USSR and the first president of the Russian Federation), so is the one who promoted Grudinin to the presidency under communist slogans.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 March 2021 10: 02
    +9
    Well sho say, well sho say ... pi, pi, pi!
    The fish's head is completely rotten. Nothing could help, except for the amputation of the head, but they did hara-kiri !!! Keeping the rot in its place.
  • tatra
    tatra 17 March 2021 10: 02
    +1
    De facto, the enemies of the communists captured the USSR during their anti-Soviet, anti-communist Perestroika, and they, against the will of the people in a referendum, divided the USSR into their separate anti-Soviet-Russophobic States, and they themselves recognized the capture and dismemberment of the USSR as their crimes against the USSR and the Soviet people, cowardly dumping the blame for this on the Soviet communists and their supporters, inventing a bunch of deceitful and moronic myths, even about what cannot be, for a cowardly justification of the capture and dismemberment of the USSR.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 17 March 2021 10: 09
      +2
      Quote: tatra
      De facto,enemies of the communists captured the USSR back in their anti-Soviet. anti-communist Perestroika

      Paa, please !!! But weren't they communists ??? And who took them to the party ??? Who gave recommendations ??? The system completely rotted away because it was adapted only for vertical control. Stalin tried to implement something, but did not have time. And then everything "went into trouble" together with the main ideologue. And it turned out what happened. Then came to power those who did exactly what they wanted. The current authorities are singing praises to them and erecting monuments to them. And not under Lyonka it was necessary to change, but earlier, much earlier.
      1. tatra
        tatra 17 March 2021 10: 16
        +1
        Thank you for proving my words. There is such a concept as logic, and according to this logic, if people do something for good purposes, they will never blame others for it, but the enemies of the Communists, cowardly shifting the blame for your Perestroika, counter-revolution, your dismemberment of the USSR, themselves recognized all this as your crimes against the USSR and the Soviet people. And WHOM do you want to plant the communists and their supporters? Whose Gorbachev do you thank for "freedom"? Yeltsin, whom you fled to defend from the communists in August 1991, and whom you IMPOSED into the President of Russia and the Russian people?
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 17 March 2021 10: 20
          +6
          Quote: tatra
          Whose Gorbachev do you thank for "freedom"? Yeltsin, whom you fled to defend from the communists in August 1991

          You it to me ???? The Lord is with you. In 1996, in Omsk, before the elections, a man from the guards beat off who gave Bald in a turnip. And you would not speak for the communists. Stalin is tossing and turning in his coffin and go away from you communists-billionaires wassat So you are not with the people for a long time, but against !!! And do not touch the people, the people will live on their own, and they will fight off the enemies themselves. We just don't need to interfere.
          1. tatra
            tatra 17 March 2021 10: 25
            -1
            HA, that's the whole essence of the enemies of the communists. They all together are angry against the communists and their supporters, and none of them is capable of defending each other. If only for the sake of profit, or for money.
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 17 March 2021 10: 30
              +5
              Quote: tatra
              HA, that's the whole essence of the enemies of the communists. They all together are angry against the communists and their supporters, and none of them is capable of defending each other. If only for the sake of profit, or for money.

              And I don't see communists in the country. I don't see it and that's it !!! At least crack !!! I see those who are smeared with the feeder, but the communists no. We would be honest, so at least they changed the name. And that name was left for deception, and the code of the builder of communism by no means beats with deeds. It's ridiculous to look at you, if the word!
              1. tatra
                tatra 17 March 2021 10: 34
                0
                Ha, why do the enemies of the communists go into hysterics when I call them that? And because they cowardly want to pretend that they are not themselves, and there is nothing that they have done with their country and people. At the same time, they vying with each other assert that there are no communists either, and if there are no communists, then, naturally, there are no us, supporters of communists. There is no one at all. There is one desert on the territory of the USSR.
                1. NDR-791
                  NDR-791 17 March 2021 10: 39
                  +5
                  Quote: tatra
                  At the same time, they vied with each other asserting that there are no communists either.

                  And where??? Perestroika was not done by the communists? At that time I defended the Motherland and, however, not a single rocket fell on your head. Where have you been? You mean where were the real communists, I ask you !!! Whispered in the kitchens ??? And what kind of communists you are after that ... You are the intelligentsia according to Lenin, not communists.
                  1. tatra
                    tatra 17 March 2021 10: 44
                    -1
                    I've even stopped almost looking at the answers to me, because no matter what I write, the enemies of the Communists in the "refutation" of my words equally rush to rage against me and the Communists. And there is at least something for all 103 years of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods, for which you, the enemies of the communists, would have "to do with", for which you would take responsibility?
                    1. NDR-791
                      NDR-791 17 March 2021 10: 50
                      +5
                      I just told you ... Personally, I was responsible for your safety while you were playing Perestroika behind me. And they played out. And I answered and did what I had to. And isn't it clear that the communists I'm not an enemy at all. Only now there are no communists, there is a fake.
                      1. tatra
                        tatra 17 March 2021 10: 52
                        -2
                        Well, that's why I need the crown enemies of the communists "and here I am, for me, for me," if you all climb to discuss the history of your country and people?
                      2. NDR-791
                        NDR-791 17 March 2021 10: 54
                        +2
                        You asked: And there is at least something for all 103 years of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods, for which you, the enemies of the communists, would have "to do with", for which you would take responsibility?
                        I replied. If you need to leave the last word for yourself, then please, I will shut up.
                      3. tatra
                        tatra 17 March 2021 10: 56
                        -1
                        If you don't understand the first time, I repeat again
                        you enemies of the communists
                        ... I didn't write "you".
                      4. Kart
                        Kart 17 March 2021 14: 35
                        +2
                        No, really.
                        You are the enemies of the communists.
                        Or people like you.
                        It is difficult to do any business more harm than your evil enchanting stream of consciousness.
                        write more. The more you express yourself in this way, the fewer people will be fooled by fairy tales about "communism".
    2. apro
      apro 17 March 2021 10: 32
      +2
      Quote: NDR-791
      So you are not with the people for a long time, but against !!!

      Don't speak for everyone ...
      And what communist do you see in these characters ??? I am nothing ... so why call them what they are not ???
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 17 March 2021 10: 41
        +3
        Quote: apro
        And what communist do you see in these characters ???

        I don't see anything. But they stubbornly call themselves that. And I see deeds, not fiddling. And the affairs are completely at odds with their self-name.
        1. apro
          apro 17 March 2021 10: 48
          -2
          Quote: NDR-791
          But they stubbornly call themselves that

          So why believe a liar ???
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 March 2021 10: 38
    -2
    Quote: tatra
    and the enemies of the communists

    Daddy SJ communist or enemy?
    1. tatra
      tatra 17 March 2021 10: 49
      +1
      Under Putin, there is only such "opposition" in Russia that Putin allows, and no matter how insignificant Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are, this is the only opposition in Russia to the enemies of the Communists, who are all the same only for such a System that they established after their capture of the RSFSR.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 March 2021 10: 55
        +2
        Quote: tatra
        Under Putin in Russia ...

        Can you specifically answer this question? !!!
        1. tatra
          tatra 17 March 2021 10: 58
          -2
          So I answered. If you do not understand, then Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are not enemies of the communists, but communists. Yes, the "pale shadow" of the real, by convictions, Bolshevik-Communists, but as grandfather Stalin said, "I have no other writers for you."
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 March 2021 11: 04
            0
            Quote: tatra
            then Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are not enemies of the communists, but communists

            wonderful, on the floor above you stated that
            fear of the slightest responsibility for the country that you took away from the communists with big show-off
            But after all, it was Zyu's dad who was chickened out in 96 when he won the elections, thanks to falsifications, he lost
            why didn't he want to take responsibility ?!
            by the way, at a later date, when he just did not have a majority, he regularly went broke that they supposedly had something stolen from him in the elections and tried to go to the barricades
            1. tatra
              tatra 17 March 2021 11: 06
              -2
              And WHAT was Zyuganov supposed to do when the enemies of the communists, 2 years earlier, proved by staging a bloody massacre in Moscow in October 1993, violating the Constitution, that they would never give Russia over to anyone peacefully?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 17 March 2021 11: 09
                0
                Quote: tatra
                And WHAT was Zyuganov supposed to do when the enemies of the communists, 2 years earlier, proved by staging a bloody massacre in Moscow in October 1993, violating the Constitution, that they would never give Russia over to anyone peacefully?

                well, probably take an example from the founder

                or do you think that Lenin was wrong? !!!
                1. Kart
                  Kart 17 March 2021 14: 39
                  +2
                  By the way, without irony - then for this was the only possible chance. The people have already rested from the USSR, and have taken a sip of the market and democracy. All the former Soviet people were still quite young.
                  But Zyuganov proved to be the real heir of the CPSU - he poured this last shot down the toilet in the name of his own well-being.
          2. bk0010
            bk0010 17 March 2021 20: 09
            0
            Quote: tatra
            If you do not understand, then Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are not enemies of the communists, but communists.
            Do you even realize that you have just declared that the communists are the enemies of the people?
            1. tatra
              tatra 17 March 2021 20: 17
              0
              Ha, you enemies of the communists, first "find" yourself in your "history" of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods, and then declare yourself a people.
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 17 March 2021 20: 19
                +1
                That is, you have nothing to answer on the merits of the question?
                1. tatra
                  tatra 17 March 2021 20: 22
                  +1
                  Your question is stupid. I was asked
                  Daddy SJ communist or enemy?
                  ... And I responded with what you quoted, and made a stupid conclusion.
                2. bk0010
                  bk0010 17 March 2021 20: 23
                  0
                  ZYu is an enemy of the people, a double-dealer and a social compromiser, if he is a communist, then ...
                3. tatra
                  tatra 17 March 2021 20: 25
                  0
                  Ha, people like you, in general, have nothing and no one good for their country and people, including, there are no good political parties.
                4. bk0010
                  bk0010 17 March 2021 20: 27
                  0
                  The people do not need such parties and are even harmful. They distract the people from the struggle for their interests, create the appearance that the popular forces are represented in the highest bodies of power.
                5. tatra
                  tatra 17 March 2021 20: 31
                  0
                  Ha, your comment in the style of an anti-Soviet manual that the Soviet people themselves won the Great Patriotic War, without the Communist Party.
                6. bk0010
                  bk0010 17 March 2021 20: 32
                  0
                  What's the difference what style? Essentially have something to say? By the way, the USSR was destroyed under the strict leadership of the Communist Party.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 17 March 2021 10: 28
    +13
    But weren't they communists ???

    Not. These were the members of the CPSU. Alas, having a party membership card does not make a person a communist. They were typical bourgeois degenerates and traitors, who in many cases appeared as a result of the activities of Khrushchev. Which were no longer identified and cleaned out, but on the contrary - they were given the green light.

    A communist - for example he is. Filmed a few seconds before death .. And people like him .. A communist is, first of all, beliefs and a willingness to fight and die for them .. And by no means a crust.

    1. tatra
      tatra 17 March 2021 10: 38
      +1
      The enemies of the communists have no concept of "betrayal" at all. And for all 33 years of their "freedom of speech", not one of them said or wrote the word "collaborationism, collaborators", because for them to betray is completely normal.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 17 March 2021 15: 18
        -5
        Quote: tatra
        And for all 33 years of their "freedom of speech", not one of them said or wrote the word "collaborationism, collaborators", because for them to betray is completely normal.

        There was someone to take an example from. Bolsheviks, Trotskyists, Communists. Stalinists, personality cult. the cult of corn, stagnation, perestroika ...
        1. tatra
          tatra 17 March 2021 15: 31
          0
          So, what is next ? Just a comment for the plan? What a huge number of paid propagandists of anti-Soviet power have spread on the Internet. As I already wrote here, you are able to defend each other only for the sake of PROFIT in your anti-Soviet system, which is the only justification for your capture of the USSR in 30 years, or for money.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 17 March 2021 15: 32
            0
            Quote: tatra
            What a huge number of paid propagandists of the anti-Soviet regime have spread on the Internet

            And how much do I earn from propaganda? Come on bomb. fellow
            1. tatra
              tatra 17 March 2021 15: 36
              +1
              Ha, why should I tell you - how much do you earn? Okay, I will not give you any more opportunities to make money on ME.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 17 March 2021 10: 45
      +5
      Quote: paul3390
      A communist is, first of all, beliefs and a willingness to fight and die for them .. And by no means a crust.

      I totally agree, but I'm talking about now !!! And now, not communists, but kapeeref golim. And thank them for saying that they voted for the same EBNa and gave him votes ???
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 17 March 2021 10: 53
        +2
        The Communist Party is not a Communist Party. This is simply a successful bourgeois project to drain leftist sentiments of the people down the toilet. Don't be fooled by the name.
    3. sniperino
      sniperino 17 March 2021 11: 33
      -2
      Quote: paul3390
      A communist is, first of all, beliefs and a willingness to fight and die for them.
      At least one died fighting for his convictions after Stalin's death? Name the communist hero of our time. 50 shades of red create for themselves a completely bourgeois political capital with words about heroic struggle, parasitizing on hot-hearted and weak-minded voters.
    4. Kart
      Kart 17 March 2021 14: 41
      -2
      Quote: paul3390
      A communist is, first of all, beliefs and a willingness to fight and die for them .. And by no means a crust.

      Germans, if not all, then very many also fought and died for their beliefs.
      What's the difference?
      Were they communists too?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 17 March 2021 16: 32
        -1
        I will not even comment on such a bastard post. One thing I can say - the liberal scum, she always crawls out at every opportunity.
  • nemez
    nemez 17 March 2021 10: 48
    +6
    Under Stalin, whether you were a party member or not, it didn’t matter. If you were to blame, answer. Under Khrushche, the apparatus was made inviolable, so it started.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 17 March 2021 10: 56
      +5
      Quote: nemez
      Under Khrushchev, the apparatus was made inviolable, so it started.

      There is such a thing. How many bastards breathed freely. And they climbed up and up like shit from the toilet.
  • BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 17 March 2021 10: 02
    +9
    The engine of progress stopped with the death of Joseph Vissarionovich, then inertia and stagnation
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 17 March 2021 10: 19
      +11
      Quote: BISMARCK94
      further inertia and stagnation

      Then perestroika and kaput!
  • Amatar
    Amatar 17 March 2021 10: 13
    0
    Article - bullshit.
    How else can you answer the question:
    “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed».
    If you answer no, it means preserving the old Union, in which rights and freedoms are not guaranteed, and the republics are not sovereign and equal.
    Therefore, everyone answered - YES. No other options were offered.
    Those. both formulated the question and programmed the answer.
    1. tatra
      tatra 17 March 2021 10: 19
      +2
      In any case, people, including myself, voted FOR, and the enemies of the communists voted AGAINST.
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 17 March 2021 11: 36
      +1
      preservation Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as renewed Federation


      If you answer YES, then save old Union, with updates..
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 17 March 2021 10: 16
    +3
    not condemned, not condemned the activities of Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin as persons bearing full personal responsibility for the fate of the Soviet state. Moreover, at the highest state level, the activities of these people meet fairly high marks... But isn't this at least wrong to a devoted people?


    Because now the same traitors are in power ..
    Or rather, their followers ..
    And if we say that Yeltsin is a schmuck .. we must have a conscience and name his successor and follower accordingly ..
    1. tatra
      tatra 17 March 2021 10: 22
      +1
      For 30 years, not only followers, but enemies of the Communists have been imposing traitors from the CPSU on the power of Russia and the Russian people, together with them they slander the Communists, justify the crimes of the enemies of the Communists and together with them cowardly blame the Communists on the responsibility for the seizure of Russia, and for the fact that created with Russia and the Russian people after the capture of Russia.
  • DmSol
    DmSol 17 March 2021 10: 17
    +7
    In terms of scale and social structure, the USSR had no analogues in world history. All the problems that had to be solved after the revolution also required a completely different approach and experience, which no one else had. Something was successfully resolved, some could not. But in any case, human civilization will have to return to socialist ideas - there is no other way. Otherwise, we will stop progressing and return to the caste-estate world order squeezed in the rigid framework of global control.
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 17 March 2021 10: 17
    +2
    The then leadership did not give a damn about the people, as they say, put it with the device, and nine months later killed the USSR ...
  • apro
    apro 17 March 2021 10: 21
    -3
    Was the USSR doomed in 1885? Rather than not. A chain of economic and ideological decisions leading to its destruction were made starting in 1954 and the party supported them for various reasons, thus initiating a degeneration. Healthy communist forces were unable to mobilize and to defend the leading role. too little experience. too little knowledge.
    1. tatra
      tatra 17 March 2021 11: 03
      +1
      None of those who excuse Gorbachev are capable of proving how the USSR could have been destroyed without him.
      1. apro
        apro 17 March 2021 11: 08
        0
        Comrade Tatra. I ask you not to make unfounded claims. If a communist is not able to calmly accept critical remarks. Means insufficiently self-possessed and insufficiently armed with knowledge and understanding of the situation.
        1. tatra
          tatra 17 March 2021 11: 11
          0
          Well then, PROVE your own words that Gorbachev is NOT guilty of destroying the USSR, that without him the USSR would have been destroyed - and how, and by whom.
          1. apro
            apro 17 March 2021 11: 17
            -1
            Quote: tatra
            that Gorbachev is NOT guilty of destroying the USSR,

            Systemic crisis in the CPSU. When goals and methods did not correspond to each other. Communist goals set and bourgeois methods to achieve them. This caused a massive degeneration of party members.
            1. tatra
              tatra 17 March 2021 11: 26
              +1
              Verbiage. You, like all those who otmazy Gorbachev, are NOT able to prove how, WITHOUT him, the enemies of the communists could seize the USSR and impose themselves on the country and people in power that is beneficial for their enrichment at the expense of the country and people The system, your speculative economy, your ideology and the history of your country and the people - an evil, slanderous anti-Sovietism.
              1. apro
                apro 17 March 2021 11: 35
                -1
                Quote: tatra
                Verbiage

                I'm scared for you, comrade Tatra ...
                1. Kart
                  Kart 17 March 2021 14: 48
                  0
                  And I'm scared for the site. Given the rating of this character.
                  Although ... You never know such projects have already merged.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 March 2021 11: 29
            0
            Quote: tatra
            that Gorbachev is NOT guilty of the destruction of the USSR, that without him the USSR would have been destroyed - and how, and by whom

            the foundation of the USSR bvl was destroyed much earlier, namely at the 20th congress
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 17 March 2021 12: 02
      0
      Quote: apro
      healthy communist forces were unable to mobilize and defend the leading role
      They were all for the leading role of themselves. The "healthy communist forces" not only did not fight, but could not (or did not want) to mobilize for any struggle. Or did someone die in the struggle against the degeneration of the party? All voted in favor, and abstained from the fight. Who was healthy there, and how was his strength manifested?
      1. apro
        apro 17 March 2021 12: 29
        -1
        Quote: sniperino
        Who was healthy there

        For what purpose are you interested ??? You are like a Russian nationalist ..
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 17 March 2021 13: 56
          0
          For 70 years, one communist who died in the political struggle is the husband of an opera singer, I don't remember his last name. He died due to the conviction of his cunning. The hero's convictions were not appreciated in Kiev, or they did not want to pay for them: there are a great many of them.
          Quote: apro
          You are like a Russian nationalist
          How many times you are sculpting this label for me. I am, as it were, a Russian internationalist who defines the Russian world as a supranational historical community of people, more stable than the Soviet people.
          1. apro
            apro 17 March 2021 14: 00
            -2
            Quote: sniperino
            I'm like a Russian internationalist,

            This does not happen. And the Russian world is a bourgeois project of a semi-colonial type, too contradictory and unstable.
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 17 March 2021 15: 06
            -3
            Quote: sniperino
            For 70 years, one communist who died in the political struggle is the husband of an opera singer, I do not remember his last name. He died due to the conviction of his cunning. The hero's convictions were not appreciated in Kiev, or they did not want to pay for them: there are a great many of them.

            Actually, this is an example of a modern official communist. All the more ridiculous are the threats of such "real" communists as Ziu, supposedly if anything, they will raise the country on its hind legs ... Yes, even the Tatra will not go for such people. The singer is that. grieving, frankly speaking, not long after the “principled” communist killed by the “enemies”, she returned to the “Bloody Mordor”, from which she and her husband fled to the outskirts blessed by the democrats. And what interviews did they give there ?! Now she is back in Moscow, at the CT, she gives an interview and "bloody rEgim" does not touch her. Wonderful things are happening to the children of revolutionaries under the moon. laughing
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    1. apro
      apro 17 March 2021 10: 39
      0
      Quote: Aerodrome
      yes ... I'm glad to die soon.

      Airfield ... don't hysteria.
      1. Kart
        Kart 17 March 2021 14: 49
        0
        Do not persuade.
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 17 March 2021 11: 14
    +6
    I think this is the biggest betrayal against our Motherland - bald and alcoholic burn in paradise
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 17 March 2021 11: 27
      +1
      bald and alcoholic burn in Paradise


      Coward, Goonies, and Seasoned .. There should always be three !!

      So you have to add Botox too, whatever one may say ..
      Moreover, he dreams of going to heaven more than others ..))
      1. Kart
        Kart 17 March 2021 14: 50
        0
        Where does the infa come from? Did I personally share it with you?
        And by the way - who is it?
        Or honestly, it's scary, the lower brain is shrinking?
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 17 March 2021 15: 23
          +1
          Where does the infa come from? Did I personally share it with you?

          Exactly..

          And by the way - who is it?
          Or honestly, it's scary, the lower brain is shrinking?
          I honestly said ..
          Only those who think with their lower brains did not understand something .. but still rushed to comment ..))
          1. Kart
            Kart 17 March 2021 15: 38
            +1
            Honestly for people like yourself?
            To hide under a nickname, and still know how to twist, because it's scary.
            This is your essence, fighters against the regime.
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 17 March 2021 15: 56
              +2
              Honestly for people like yourself?

              Of course, not for people like you .. As you can see in this example, it would be useless ..))

              To hide under a nickname, and still know how to twist, because it's scary.
              So don't hide .. I'm not your doctor ..
  • Ronald Reagan
    Ronald Reagan 17 March 2021 11: 35
    -2
    Everything that is not done is for the best. At one time, the abolition of serfdom was met without enthusiasm. laughing
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  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 17 March 2021 11: 37
    +2
    "Loyal people: ....." ...
    And what has changed? Recently, in a new regular video with condemnation N ... they recalled the allegedly eternal popularity of the authorities:
    67 votes for EDRO and 76 for Putin (Lukashenka is close to 81, right!).

    So, at least do not vote for EDRO (I asked, no one of my acquaintances voted for them, 0% of 20 people), at least vote - they will throw and betray again
    1. Novichek)
      Novichek) 17 March 2021 13: 47
      +3
      Yes, it's a pity that the "devoted people" also "let down" when the fate of the Union was being decided, it all started with the first McDalds in Moscow, with Pepsi cola and chewing gum in bright wrappers (which the domestic industry obviously did not indulge us with) Nard was still used to believing to what they say on TV, I did not know at all what the "true face of capitalism" was, and it seemed to us then a sort of "sweet dream" in a beautiful wrapper: shelves bursting with food, beautiful cars and houses and other luxury, beautiful distant countries of "decaying west ". How could we know then, ordinary Soviet people, that indeed, the counters of "fives" will be filled with goods, but under the bright wrapper there will be poison,
      And, yes, the most luxurious cars will drive the streets, and luxurious mansions will fill the suburbs all over the country, but, only now, all this will again be owned by the same "ruling elite" as the "luxurious dachas" and "black Volga" owned by "scoop" party nomenclature
  • Boromir1941
    Boromir1941 17 March 2021 11: 39
    0
    I'm still wondering how you can ruin such a country. there are no words
    1. Novichek)
      Novichek) 17 March 2021 13: 49
      +3
      So the whole country and "ask .... whether" ....
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 17 March 2021 12: 04
    0
    The referendum was supported by the RSFSR, Byelorussian SSR, Kazakh SSR, Kirghiz SSR, Uzbek SSR, Tajik SSR, Turkmen SSR, Azerbaijan SSR. As a result, the Ukrainian SSR distinguished itself by its "creative approach" to the main issue.


    even the MSSR refused to hold a referendum (except for Transnistria and Gagauzia)

    Polling stations were therefore located in military units, often blocked

    My friends and family and I broke through to the polling station and voted for a single country, but, alas, this did not help ...
    1. Cure72
      Cure72 17 March 2021 15: 20
      0
      Hey ! I basically disagree with you (in the subject matter and in the comments). We are fellow countrymen.
      But the country was pissed away by the Khrushchev's last ones, as for me.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 17 March 2021 12: 15
    -1
    We were betrayed then, betrayed later, betrayed now .. The most common example: So far, I am the president, there will be no revision of the retirement age. However, they are selling who are all the same, from the same nest.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 17 March 2021 12: 21
      +2
      Bye, I'm the president

      He has long fancied himself a king ..
      It’s clear, if only because I don’t intend to give up power to someone and I don’t intend to dismount from the throne.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 17 March 2021 12: 33
    -1
    Why worry so much? Is there no more pride for the country? We have overtaken the United States and China in the number of privatized wealth. 10% of Russians own 83% of national wealth. 10% own 60% of material and financial assets. So it's not all bad.
    1. Novichek)
      Novichek) 17 March 2021 14: 13
      +4
      And nothing that, often under 50 percent of the shares of large industrial enterprises, sometimes even strategic (like RusAl) owned by foreign citizens?
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 17 March 2021 13: 01
    -7
    My favorite topic rushed to VO. USSR, USSR-2, USSR-3, .. Into infinity. laughing
    1. Cure72
      Cure72 17 March 2021 15: 14
      -2
      Suggest the ideal. No gomosyatiny, no homeless people, no junkies, no "polkans of billionaires", no whores on the highways ...
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 17 March 2021 15: 27
        -3
        Quote: Cure72
        Suggest an ideal

        Yes, there is no ideal.
        Quote: Cure72
        No gomosyatiny, no homeless people, no junkies, no "polkans of billionaires", no whores on the highways ...

        Without this, the USSR could not do without. There was simply no such information space, a lot of things were hidden. That’s at least prostitution. Officially, this phenomenon was not, in reality it was. You have to be realistic. What is the second USSR? You go outside. ask the youth. they will tell you everything. who is Lenin and what is communism. There will be no more USSR, its citizens and leadership loved it. Here is the Soviet people. Or is it the Martians? Look at their slogans, but listen to what they bawl, against whom and for what.
  • Cure72
    Cure72 17 March 2021 15: 10
    -1
    Did at least one "referendum" matter? Without the interest of the host country? USSR / Catalonia / Holland ...
  • iouris
    iouris 17 March 2021 15: 32
    0
    I remembered: if a referendum is announced, there will be trouble.
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 17 March 2021 15: 43
    0
    Quote: nikvic46
    Why worry so much? Is there no more pride for the country? We have overtaken the United States and China in the number of privatized wealth. 10% of Russians own 83% of national wealth. 10% own 60% of material and financial assets. So it's not all bad.


    Apparently, those who disagree that 10% of the bourgeoisie owns 83% of the national wealth of the Russian Federation. And they are right!
    Only a few families, occasionally visiting Russia, own 90% of everything that is in the depths, built, openly, accumulated by the Russian people.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 17 March 2021 18: 41
    -2
    The author asks the question: "What happened next? The most severe economic crisis ..."
    And, he is disingenuous at the same time. !Later?! there was a voucher privatization as a result of which the Vekselbergs, Kuchma, Deripaska, Kolomoisky, etc. appeared. Then, we were all robbed.
    1. iouris
      iouris 19 March 2021 00: 39
      0
      Quote: Normal ok
      Then, we were all robbed.

      In the USSR, we lived very poorly ... And then they robbed us.
  • xorek
    xorek 17 March 2021 19: 16
    -1
    Everything is in the past already .. It is a pity of course the collapse of the USSR, but if we judge about the "brothers of the former", how they treated us and are doing, then maybe for the better? Russia’s eyes opened to many things, who was their friend and that there was no internationalism .. But there is only, to live at the expense of someone and then spit in their souls ..
    In the Russian Empire, everything was clear and there were no international ideas, just geopolitics, but without robberies, etc.
    PS I was brought up on internationalism, but for a long time I was disappointed in this, back in the 90s I saw EVERYTHING in all its glory .. Now I am more cynical and although I have friends of different nationalities, like my wives .. But there is no sincere trust, like they have me ..
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 17 March 2021 20: 25
    -1
    What trust, if even inside the country, almost at the state level, the ghoul is praised for our taxes:
    The play about Gorbachev:

    "Banker Kostin buys tickets to the Theater of Nations through VTB Insurance LLC, he has already sent 6.5 million rubles to the theater for counter-tickets."

    https://t.me/vchkogpu/16191
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 18 March 2021 17: 51
    0
    Yes, gentlemen ... I put it on my calculator. It turns out that I was sixteen then.
    When the business was done.
    And there are suspicions that I could hardly influence the situation ...
    How did it happen? Where did the public look? Okay, I was a kid ... On trousers "boiled", and sneakers "Sergio Taccini"?
    Here obscene expressions follow, then ... Again obscene expressions follow. To the short-sighted comrades.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 22 March 2021 10: 16
    0
    Judushka Gorbachev, Yeltsin, etc. swol. They don't care about people.
  • Lister
    Lister 29 March 2021 17: 30
    +6
    the majority of Soviet citizens, regardless of nationality, supported the preservation of the Soviet Union

    But the lust for power of some politicians, plus the open betrayal of the top of the USSR, led to the collapse of the country.
  • Lister
    Lister 29 March 2021 17: 30
    +8
    It is a pity that those who destroyed it were not punished for the collapse of the USSR. As a result, the people suffered, but not the "elite".