"China will capture it without firing a shot": Polish readers comment on the plans of the German Navy to send a frigate to the South China Sea

Germany may become another European state, which will send its warship to the Indo-Pacific region. From August this year to February 2022, a German Brandenburg-class frigate will be stationed in the South China Sea, which will arrive there from the port of Wilhelmshaven.

This is reported by the Polish edition of Defense 24, citing sources in the German Ministry of Defense.

Naturally, Beijing is unhappy with the current growth in the activity of the naval forces of the European states that are part of the NATO structure.

Polish readers are actively commenting on the plans of the German Navy to send a Brandenburg-class URO frigate to the South China Sea. In particular, one of them believes that the United States is abusing its influence in the North Atlantic Alliance, using its forces in its own selfish interests.

It turns out that the United States is using NATO for its own purposes. It would be better if NATO was used for defense, not for attacks around the world.

- he considers.

Given the mentality of the German military, China will capture it without firing a shot. This will be a circus!

- another reader of the Polish media is skeptical about the capabilities of the German ship.

Everything can end in such a way that as soon as the communists stamp their feet, the Germans will run away with their tail between their legs, in order to express their deep concern later.

- echoed by another Polish user.

A German Navy warship will visit the South China Sea for the first time since 2002. True, the German command decided that he would not approach any coast closer than 12 miles. It would be strange if, without permission from the Chinese authorities, a German frigate tried to approach the Chinese coast to a distance closer than the mentioned 12 miles.

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[The leader of the Redskins]

Why can't you just give out the news?
Do you need to be accompanied by not wise comments of some sofa experts? A vicious practice that does not add VO rating as an objective publication.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

A vicious practice that does not add VO rating as an objective publication.

For this there are a lot of "smart" comments from our sofa experts, therefore there is traffic to the site, which means that advertising on the site is more expensive. Extremely simplistic, of course, but something like that.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Why can't you just give out the news?
Do you need to be accompanied by not wise comments of some sofa experts? A vicious practice that does not add VO rating as an objective publication.

Sociologically, the survey of opinions is in itself extremely important in the political aspect, especially when the international situation in the world is heating up, since such a collection of information reflects the legitimate and illegitimate state of various sectors of society in the country.
Such informal reviews are collected by all intelligence services in the world. And at the same time, it does not matter at all that "couch" or "non couch" experts give out their opinions, since they all have not only their own life experience, but also their own relatives, whose opinion they reflect ..

Let me remind you that Kennan and George Frost made their careers on understanding this issue. 8th U.S. Ambassador to the USSR from May 14 to September 19, 1952.
REFERENCE
George Frost Kennan (eng. George Frost Kennan; February 16, 1904 - March 17, 2005) - American diplomat, political scientist and historian, Founder of the Kennan Institute, a division of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. Best known as "Architect of the Cold War", the ideological father of the "policy of containment" and the Truman doctrine. Author of works on the history of relations between Russia and the West.
As the designated U.S. ambassador to the USSR, Kennan arrived in Moscow on May 5, 1952. Shortly upon arrival, Kennan wrote to President H. Truman]:
"We (the American diplomatic mission in the USSR) are so cut off, constrained by bans, and we are so ignored by the Soviet government that it looks like diplomatic relations have been broken off altogether."
And then it was Kennan who expressed the idea of ​​the need to latently eavesdrop and collect by American intelligence officers various opinions of Soviet people about what is happening in the USSR and in the world in order for the American special services to work out further US policy towards the USSR, especially in crisis situations before the elections.
As a result, the US Ambassador to the USSR, Kennan, was declared "persona non grata," and he was not even allowed to personally take his wife and children out of the embassy.

TOTAL. The people, and not just intelligence, should know who, when, where, what and how they think.
Those who are not interested can simply not read about it and immediately go to another page.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Tatiana

TOTAL. The people, and not just intelligence, should know who, when, where, what and how they think.
Those who are not interested can simply not read about it and immediately go to another page.

Why can't you just give out the news? Without its emotional coloring and transformation into another "agitation"?

[Tatyana]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Why can't you just give out the news? Without its emotional coloring and transformation into another "agitation"?

The news is valuable because it has an emotional tinge - moreover, from readers from the Polish media, which, I believe, you do not read. And this is also in itself NEWS from the Poles. That is, we have news as "two in one bottle".

And besides, You, too, with your emotions of disagreement with the same Poles, are pulsating now here on "VO" over the edge! It is a you too kind propaganda but from the opposite side and with the opposite sign.
Do you not notice this behind yourself?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Tatiana

The news is valuable because it has an emotional connotation.

Lying. News is any significant fait accompli. Various demagogues and manipulators are trying to give the facts an emotional coloring.

Quote: Tatiana

from readers from the Polish media who, I believe, ...

Do you have the opportunity to rate all Polish comments? And I have not, and the author, with a high degree of probability, chose only those comments that fit the catchy headline.

Quote: Tatiana

And besides, you, too, with your emotions of disagreement with the same Poles, are pulsating now here on "VO" over the edge! This is also a kind of propaganda, but from the opposite side and with the opposite sign.

Where did you find any propaganda in my comments to this article? You read inattentively, I just expressed my disapproval of such articles, since there are three lines of semantic load there, and the rest is emotions.

[Tatyana]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Lying. News is any significant fait accompli. Various demagogues and manipulators are trying to give the facts an emotional coloring.

And I do not like that you do not respect other people's work. And at the same time you cannot give anything from yourself.
If you are only interested in absolutely naked news, then why are you here? There are other sites for this,
You are acting in the role of a nihilist, and this is also from the field of demagoguery, into which you fall and which I also see for you, whether you like it or not.

REFERENCE.
Nihilism in Psychology - this is a protective mechanism of the psyche, in which a person seeks to destroy the world and its generally accepted norms, so that he does not destroy it.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Tatiana

And I do not like that you do not respect other people's work.

And where did you get the idea that I do not respect other people's work? If you are about the article, then I expressed my attitude to it. I repeat,. There is stale news and two comments, plus an inept attempt at emotional coloring.

Quote: Tatiana

And at the same time you cannot give anything from yourself.

I do not write articles, I have another job. I’ll see you run out of sane arguments and therefore you decided to switch to my personal qualities?

Quote: Tatiana

If you are only interested in absolutely naked news, then why are you here? There are other sites for this,

Let me remind you that there are several sections on the site, and as for the news, as I wrote to you, the value of news is in the novelty of a significant fact, nothing more. There is neither significant fact nor novelty here. What is the article about? There are no analysts there either.

Quote: Tatiana

You are acting in the role of a nihilist, and this is also from the field of demagoguery, into which you fall and which I also see for you.

I would be grateful for references to my nihilism and demagoguery.

[Tatyana]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

I would be grateful for references to my nihilism and demagoguery.

A nihilist always climbs into someone else's monastery with his "Charter". Is that clearer?

What you may not like, like and acceptable to others. You are not alone in the world.
But the worst thing is that, on your part, you yourself cannot offer anything! There is an information vacuum behind you - in general, informational emptiness of comments from the Polish media.
In other words, you have no CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and is not even supposed to. Those. according to your "Statutory RULE", than to say something, it is better to be silent altogether. At the same time, ignorance of the comments of the Poles generally demagogically elevates you to the merits over the sample of Polish comments made by the author.
Moreover, in the process of your own thinking, speaking in the language of philosophy and formal logic, while searching for truth, you violate the methodological PRINCIPLE of the unity of the PART and the WHOLE. Namely, you generally deny the PART with ignorance of the WHOLE.
As a result, you, derogatory for the author, "throw out the child with dirty water!

And all this is done by you, unfortunately, only for the sake of self-affirmation of yourself, your beloved one through humiliation of others - humiliation of the author!
According to the psychology of personality, this is done by people who themselves have a complex of their own inferiority and they are trying to hide it in such a demagogic way .. Alas!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Tatiana

A nihilist always climbs into someone else's monastery with his "Charter". Is that clearer?

If you bothered to read who a nihilist is, you would be less funny. Have you already studied Turgenev "Fathers and Sons" at your school?

Quote: Tatiana

But the worst thing is that, on your part, you yourself cannot offer anything! There is an information vacuum behind you - in general, informational emptiness of comments from the Polish media.

Do you even know how to read?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

If you are about the article, then I expressed my attitude to it. I repeat,. There is stale news and two comments, plus an inept attempt at emotional coloring.

Where did I even speak about Polish comments?

Quote: Tatiana

.... And all this is done by you, unfortunately, only for the sake of self-affirmation of yourself, your beloved one through humiliation of others - humiliation of the author! ...

What is this nonsense? The article, in my opinion, is an outright trash, which I wrote about. Your far-fetched statements are simply ridiculous.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

... I’ll see you run out of sane arguments and therefore you decided to switch to my personal qualities?

In essence, the article has something to say? Or did you just want to gossip?

[Tatyana]

There was a software failure and my subsequent comments - the answers to you - disappeared. I'll just restore them for you now.

Tatyana Today, 05: 28
The terror of the majority in your understanding is closer to ochlocracy.

And in my case we are talking about a democratic - NATIONAL - election of power, which then CREATES LAWS... Forget about the ANCIENT democracy, we are not talking about it now.
In this case, elected officials-deputies NOT MOST in relation to the entire people and to the entire population of the country, but just exactly the MINORITY!

And this MINORITY, delegated by the people to power, is just capable of taking away all the freedom of speech and other rights from the people "from above". That is, it is capable of privatizing the state, as such, for itself, having actually carried out the GOSPEREVOROT "from above". And no Constitution and no Bills of Rights will be able to help the people, if the power structures are on the side of the "top", and not the people!

[Tatyana]

To this you asked me to carefully read what you wrote.
I answered that.

Tatyana Today, 05: 55

Yes, I read your comment carefully.
That's right - the United States has a Constitutional Republic. And what of this, if the Democrats closed access to social networks for Trump by prior secret collusion of the MINORITY - from the representatives of the globalist orientation of the US DEPARTMENT?

At the same time, American financial oligarchs in collaboration with the owners of social networks Google, Facebook, Twitter dragged into the US presidency marasmically incapacitated Joe Baydan ?! They what were in the MOST ?! All of them are in the elections Trump was trampled upon - both the Constitution and the Bill of Rights! It was only Trump who played by the rules, and the Baydenists did not.
According to statistics, only 6-10% of the able-bodied population is enough for the STATE REVOROT, and even less if the conspirators of the STATE REVOROT turn out to be from the highest echelons of the current government. For example, like Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin,

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Tatiana

There was a software failure and my subsequent comments - the answers to you - disappeared. I'll just restore them for you now.

Quote: Tatiana

To this you asked me to carefully read what you wrote.
I answered that.

Tatyana, I'm really lost Are you writing this to me for sure? Maybe you mixed up the topics?

[Tatyana]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Tatyana, I'm really lost. Are you writing this to me for sure? Maybe you mixed up the topics?

Oh! Dear Alexey! I really messed up the branches now.
I'm really talking about correspondence now. with a Texas contributor under the article "Americans Trust the Army, Police, and Congress: Data from a Reagan Institution Poll."
I sincerely apologize to you!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Tatiana

Americans trust the army, police and Congress less and less: data from a Reagan Institute poll

If you remove the word army from the quote and replace the congress with the State Duma or the Council of Federations, then this statement will be true for the Russian Federation, or Ukraine, or Kazakhstan and further down the list.))))))) The crisis, however, and "the little pig is everyone is missing. " And Joe Biden is still a tough old man, although as you correctly wrote, public figures do not decide anything anywhere.

[Tatyana]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

If you remove the word army from the quote and replace the congress with the State Duma or the Council of Federations, then this statement will be true for the Russian Federation, or Ukraine, or Kazakhstan and further down the list.))))))) The crisis, however, and "the little pig is everyone is missing. "

That's right!

However, only here the participant "Texas" is convinced that the United States has the most perfect state structure in the world - the Constitution + Bill on the freedom and rights of citizens. And that is the only reason why nothing threatens the United States either from the inside or from the outside. That the United States will be eternal compared to historically decaying other countries. And that all over the world other countries only need to follow the example of the state structure with the United States.
That the concept of "American democracy", exported by Washington by its interference in the internal affairs of other countries, is supposedly completely fair and absolutely justified.
A controversy arose about the content of the concept of "American democracy" or "American-style democracy" in other countries.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Tatiana

A controversy arose about the content of the concept of "American democracy" or "American-style democracy" in other countries.

The word "democracy" is generally a fiction. It does not carry a semantic load, but only an object of manipulation. There is "bourgeois democracy", "socialist democracy", there was Athenian democracy, there was democracy among the German tribes. They are all so different. American democracy does not exist as a concept. There is a state system in the United States, it is very far from democracy, as the rule of the people. Exactly the same "bourgeois democracy" in any country of developed capitalism. In countries such as Brazil, South Africa, Mexico, the Russian Federation, that is, countries of "peripheral capitalism" serving "hegemons" no "bourgeois democracy" can be built in principle. Since "bourgeois democracy" has its economic foundation on the robbery of the countries of "peripheral capitalism". We have no one to rob but our own people.

[Nosgoth]

Usually the opinions of all parties are given, and not one-sided (only beneficial), if that.

[venik]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Why can't you just give out the news?

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What news is that? A long time ago, the "visit" was reported! They just decided to "update" the information with the comments of Polish readers .... And why the hell was that necessary? The editor "for soap" !!

[Uncle lee]

German Navy warship will visit the South China Sea for the first time since 2002

Or maybe the frigate came on a friendly visit .... There are no conflicts between countries. Cho the Poles croak?

[mojohed2012]

The Poles are croaking for the USA, because For some time now Poland has been such an agent for promoting the interests of the Yankees in the EU.
The only ship in those waters will not solve anything and will not help Germany in any way. So - a demonstration of the flag. Now, if a small squadron was sent there, which would be united into a single unit with other NATO members and their syavkas - then it would be possible to talk about something in relation to Chinese capabilities at sea.
And so it turns out - a waste of fuel and engine hours, but, never mind, the Germans need to demonstrate the same vector of "containment of China" with the amers.
In general: such restraints have already gotten everyone. They put pressure on psychologically and poison the relations of countries that are already close to rupture.
In relation to Russia, this is generally the case ... So, you understand, from a position of strength you have to talk to us. But how it is "From a position of strength" - they did not explain. Maybe this is when: are they constantly imposing sanctions and restrictions and stamping false facts under the slogan of Hiley Likely? Or maybe this is when strategic bombers fly from Norway emitting attacks to our border? Or maybe when NATO instructors train ukrovermacht to kill their former fellow citizens? Or is it endless chatter without proof of a poisonous fad on the part of Russia? Or is it a doping scandal.
I do not know how it is "from a position of strength"!
Something we do not hear in relation to China such words that these garbage-short politicians allow in relation to our country.

[antivirus]

Poles need to prepare for a revision of the borders in Silesia and Pomerania. Whose Danzig will it be?

[white.eagle]

Turkish, because there are fewer and fewer Germans in Germany. On the other hand, there is a greater chance that Kaliningrad will secede from Russia and become an EU member.

[Pavel73]

A common thing in a bandit gang - the godfather substitutes sixes.

[Woodman]

Polish readers are actively commenting on the plans of the German Navy

It would be much more interesting to read how German readers comment on the comments of the Poles.

[WHAT IS]

“What is the difference between a Polish wedding and a funeral? The fact that one of the participants is sober at the funeral ”,“ Why don't Poles use cookbooks? Because each recipe begins with the words: take clean dishes ”,“ What is the fastest way to expel a Pole from the bathroom? We need to throw soap in there ”,“ Why don't Poles use ice cubes? They don't know the recipe ”- these are fresh anecdotes about Poles that can be found on the German internet. For the consolation of the gentlemen, we can add that the Germans also like to laugh at the French. They cannot laugh at the Jews, but they are afraid of the Russians.

[donavi49]

Brandenburg still belongs to the old type, which was built for participation "In the war on the side of the forces of good, against the red evil."

Everything is quite good there - anti-ship missiles, ESSM, RIM, torpedoes, and two helicopters. Not to be confused with the new ships of the Baden-Wüttenberg type, these are the ones created for the comfortable transportation of migrants. With almost 8000 tons (Brandenburg - 4k) - there is nothing to fight back with RIM + optional wartime anti-ship missiles, but four quick-release boats, living areas like on the middle arm of the liner - a concert hall, places of detention for rescued / migrants up to 80 people in a set and more configurable areas .

Now, if such a frigate were sent, then the Chinese would neigh.

Well, and so the Germans have phantom pains in Qingdao, too, can be seen.

[HAM]

The jealousy of the Poles is evident .....
It's pretty stupid to oppose yourself to the Germans ..

[bald]

As was Europe in G ..., and it remains, there were really attempts - 45, 12, etc. - ended in failure, and we are fools, now we get a reward from those who are being saved, but isn't it time ... I think we need to shut our throats and put under RUSSIAN control.

[akarfoxhound]

On VO went sucked out of the finger of the article "And what commentators say in Poland." Interestingly, and in Poland, too, the same "analytical" articles from the series "What did the boys from Russia grind"? News from nothing on Burdeschaft?

[tralflot1832]

Crew of Brandenburg evacuated by China Air, corps destroyed. May I would like to hear from media reports.

[kit88]

Given the mentality of the German military, China will capture it without firing a shot. This will be a circus!

And that the Germans are bad fighters?
Or do the pshek just have complexes?
Grandfather used to say that a fascist knows how to fight.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: kit88

And that the Germans are bad fighters?

The Germans are the best fighters in Europe. If, of course, Russians are considered Asians.)))))