The Ministry of Defense conducted control firing of the BMPT "Terminator"

The Ministry of Defense continues the second phase of testing support combat vehicles tanks "Terminator". According to the press service of the military department, control firing of BMPTs took place at the testing range in the Chelyabinsk region.

According to the report, the commission of the Main Directorate of Combat Training of the Armed Forces observed the firing, the assessment of the control firing was "good".

The firing was carried out on a specially prepared area of ​​the training ground with an updated target environment from the entire standard armament of the BMPT, which includes: two 30-mm 2A42 automatic cannons, a 7,62-mm Kalashnikov tank machine gun and AG-17D automatic grenade launchers

- Said the press service.

Last week, BMPTs operated in battle formations with tanks for the first time, providing cover for the T-72B3 in the offensive.

At the beginning of February this year, the military department announced the completion of the first stage of BMPT testing, dedicated to the study of support vehicles. At the same time it was reported that the second stage of the experiment would be devoted to the use of BMPTs in the battle formations of tank units. Shooting will also be practiced in various tactical situations.

Recall that the first batch of eight BMPT "Terminator" entered the 90th Tank Division, stationed in the Chelyabinsk region, for trial operation at the end of November 2020. Prior to that, BMPT was checked during the "Kavkaz-2020" command-and-control system.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

I never liked this demonstration shooting. Fat belly dogs in hats (or caps with raised crowns) will arrive, sit on the tower and look into the distance. And you mow the grass and paint the curbs for three days before that!
The assigned crews repeat the learned exercises and the satisfied generals, having officially thanked them, leave for the "general's" house for a banquet ...
Ugh! Sheer window dressing!

[Cananecat]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Ugh! Sheer window dressing!

Well, at least they didn't ask for the levers themselves ... otherwise, "Uncle, let me drive great" or "Look how it should be" will start ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

Don't ... They didn't ask us. But they got into questions. Like "well, sons, how are you here? Do they offend? Do you like the service? ..."
And you are standing, lathering, having just washed the whitewash from your hands, and dreaming that they would dump as quickly as possible, with the permission of the foreman, to stretch out on the grass.

[venik]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And you are standing, lathering, having just washed the whitewash from your hands, and dreaming that they would dump as quickly as possible, with the permission of the foreman, to stretch out on the grass.

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That is why the army saying appeared: The best place in the Army is away from the authorities and closer to the kitchen!

[Free wind]

One was allowed to steer, so then in seven they pulled out of the hatch, got stuck, there is such a rogozin.

[Runway]

Let it be for you! "Happy people" - they are extremely funny guys and were not born with stripes.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Do you know the anecdote?
The colonel's son asks:
- Dad, and I will grow up - will I be a major?
- You will be a son ...
- And the lieutenant colonel?
- And the lieutenant colonel ...
- A colonel?
- Well ... and a colonel!
- A general?
- No, son ... The general has his own son! ...

It was during the Second World War that they became military generals from ordinary officers, thanks to personal courage and other qualities. And in the 90s (my years of service), typical careerists in the bulk. At least in the tank forces - he carried out a beautiful attack on any exercises "west ..." Here's a big star for your epaulette and a "Volga" service!

[Aerodrome]

for a long time and in agony the platform is "rolled" ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Because a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, like the T-15, on the Armata platform with the same weapons can also transport infantry. And here there is almost a tank or almost an infantry fighting vehicle. Just for running in and is suitable for training.

[Runway]

"General, this is not a rank, this is happiness!" Well, not everything is so gloomy - to whom as the map of life lay down. Since my graduation - one "happy" (he is from simple dogs, not from purebred).
The Red and non-Red Armies were rarely encountered, their "happy" ones were even rarer (they were seen a couple of times a year and then on the presidium ).
A classmate bayal was a true story (he served in Kazakhstan) as in 98 they were transferred to the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan and a body with stripes from the Ministry of Defense was brought to the border in a flying machine (a pilot general in uniform / signs, a political worker in essence). The body first committed an act of violence against an RO officer who had spanked from the border for lack of insignia and violation of uniform. Further, the commandant and the head of the detachment were subjected to violence for the absence of the orderly and his bedside table at the outpost.
The body did not react to polite hints about the Regulations of the troops, and therefore a specific diagnosis was made ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: WFP

"General, this is not a rank, this is happiness!"

Well, since they began to remember, then I will remember too. I saw everything with my own eyes. It was in the forest. where our repair and restoration bn was located not far from Pripyat, where the Chernobyl nuclear power plant is located. My telephone kung was standing next to the headquarters. On the other side of the path were the tents of the personnel. Opposite the tent, almost next to my kung, there was an orderly's booth. The day-man was nearby and, having nothing to do, pricked fallen leaves on a stick, so to speak - he kept order. And then the "Volga" drives up from it with difficulty climbs a pot-bellied major general. Taking a look around the surroundings and finding the orderly, who did not pay any attention to him, the general exclaimed - who are you? Meaning - they say the orderly must according to the charter ... He answered - the orderly, and immediately - and you? - General ... the general replied in amazement. Also not .... got a job - said the orderly. The general turned and went to headquarters, while the orderly continued to prick the fallen leaves on a stick. And all around the beauty - a pine forest interspersed with birches, a sunny morning, under each pine tree the guys, having collected porcini mushrooms in the forest, "planted" several of them. Hmmm.
Departed joys! Forgotten sorrows!
Why in my soul, you sounded again,
And again before me, in the midst of a clear dream,
The lost spring of my days has flashed?

[Old tanker]

In the 90s, there were no "West" any more and did not exist yet. And the ostentatious teachings were absent as such. The only regimental Taman in Mulino played in 95, if memory serves. Then there were other "merits" for the stripes. Basically, on the successful disbandment of units and the release of the released property and equipment.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And in the 90s (my years of service), typical careerists in the bulk.

so they were the same in 30 years, only there were also denunciations for career advancement (mainly under Article 58), but in 1941 they shit and fled to the east ahead of their screeching ...

[good]

Don't just drive the blizzard :)
The French and the British, who were not repressed for something, were quickly blown away by only one Germany, and we were already invaded by a fired experimental military machine with the support of the economy of the entire developed Europe,
and they invaded through the districts that had not yet been properly deployed, which were massively scaled then at that time in the territories that had just become Soviet.

Let's write better on the topic.

[113262a]

Much worse at 20 degrees below zero after 40 km of march on tank roads - sand and snow - wash and paint equipment for fun ..

[The leader of the Redskins]

Why didn't they fire ATGMs?

[tralflot1832]

I was the only one who noticed that 30mm cannons move when fired!

[The leader of the Redskins]

So this is the "disease" of our 2A42. You can't shoot in long bursts.

[venik]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

So this is the "disease" of our 2A42. You can't shoot in long bursts.

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And you, what do you think that 2A72 with a "walking" barrel - more precisely? Just 2A72 beats in long bursts "not very much", and 2A42 - much more accurately. The only trouble is the peak values ​​of the recoil momentum for 2A42 - almost 3 times higher - (20 tons versus 7), therefore, it is not suitable for light armored vehicles: it will swing strongly and deformation of the hull is possible. But for "Terminator" - what the doctor ordered

[The leader of the Redskins]

I did not "communicate" with 2A72 In my time, the "old woman" was))) But any weapon (maybe only "Maxim") does not like long bursts.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It was noticed correctly, at long distances, close to 2 km, the 30-mm gun does not differ in accuracy, at least one thing at least another.

[alexmach]

And you, what do you think that 2A72 with a "walking" barrel - more precisely?

They said that they had long ago solved the problem of the "walking" barrel on both the BMP and the armored personnel carrier, and in terms of accuracy it is not inferior to the 2A42

[venik]

Quote: alexmach

They said that they had long ago solved the problem of the "walking" barrel on both the BMP and the armored personnel carrier, and in terms of accuracy it is not inferior to the 2A42

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Who spoke? Spit in their faces! A priori, a gun and a movable barrel can NOT have an accuracy and accuracy equal to or greater than a gun of the same caliber and length, with the barrel STILL! The problem of backlash in precision mechanics is a very serious thing and very difficult to solve! This does not mean that the 2A72 is "junk": we managed to achieve quite acceptable accuracy and accuracy, but in any case they are worse than the 2A42! Alas, the laws of physics have not yet been canceled! In addition, the 2A72 has its own advantages ...

[113262a]

And you imagine her recoil mechanisms?))) A package of disc washers, and all the love! Oversized machine gun!

[Slon1978]

Massive tank attacks in an open field, using dozens or hundreds of tanks, are already irrevocably a thing of the past. The enemy simply will not allow such attacks to start, having previously revealed the arrival of equipment in the area and destroying it with an artillery, air or missile strike, and if such an attack begins, it will most likely turn into a massacre of equipment. Tanks are now used mainly as mobile artillery points, not for assault, but for displacing the enemy with fire. Operate in one vehicle or in small groups. It is not entirely clear the place of the BMPT in battle formations along with tanks ... Rather, it seems to me that the BMPT will serve as a more effective weapon in battles in buildings or in the city, INSTEAD of tanks, and not in the same battle formations with them.

[Klingon]

There is a long-standing vidos from Anna News, there 2 T72s, maneuvering between the houses, are nightmares of broads. An ATGM arrives at one tank. after some time, BMPkha -2 flies in to pick up the crew, while they are loaded, it fires back from its 30mm. guns, then retreat with the second tank. Also, history repeats itself when a tow truck rolled up behind the tank.

[Per se.]

Quote: Slon1978

Massive tank attacks in an open field, using dozens or hundreds of tanks, are already irrevocably a thing of the past.

This, how to say, has not yet been a big war, and by local conflicts against militants, it is impossible to unequivocally judge the role of tanks. During the US invasion of Iraq, there were tank battles, and not everything was unambiguous with the "air or missile strike" during a sandstorm. If Saddam had a newer technique, it may very well be that the Yankees would have raked their men there, in the same battle known as the "Battle of 73 Easting".

[Slon1978]

Taking into account the era of drones, which has not yet reached its peak, but has already led to a qualitative increase in the level of reconnaissance even of tactical units and the strike capabilities of units of all levels, Operation Desert Storm, carried out in the early 90s, can already be considered history.

[Per se.]

Quote: Slon1978

Given the era of drones, which has not even reached its peak yet

Yes, drones are already a reality, just like aerial reconnaissance, and then data from space satellites, became a reality. Nevertheless, many drones are still not far from the level of a toy, the main advantage of which is its cheapness and small size.

The main drawback of the drone is the vulnerability of its control channel, if they begin to widely use an electromagnetic pulse against drones, another effective interference, it is unlikely that the massive use of drones on the battlefield will be particularly successful. Most likely, the "kamikaze drone" will remain a cheap weapon for militants and terrorists, yielding to a full-fledged guided or homing missile. In reconnaissance drones will be much more useful, however, the weather factor for them can be critically important - a sandstorm, strong wind, thunderstorm and other unfavorable conditions can negate their use.

In any case, with or without drones, the tactics of modern warfare will change, but it is probably not worth completely eliminating the massive use of tanks in large-scale hostilities.

[Jacket in stock]

The shooting was carried out in a specially prepared area of ​​the training ground with an updated target environment from total BMPT standard armament, which includes: two 30-mm 2A42 automatic cannons, 7,62-mm Kalashnikov tank machine gun and AG-17D automatic grenade launchers

And where did the ATGMs go?

[Desperado]

For the sake of interest, compare with the Chinese QN-506, especially in terms of weapons and the number of crew members.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Something and her trunk angle of 53 degrees is not impressive. But these machines were supposed to help in the mountains and in urban areas.

[Free wind]

Old, old, old rakes. Those who are not smart learn from their mistakes, smart ones learn from others. We cannot learn from our mistakes. Having a rich experience of the Second World War, city battles, when it happened, a tank drove onto a log to reach the upper floors, they made an BMP-1, in which the barrel rises a degree slightly higher than that of the old grandfather. The very first conflict showed that such weapons are useless in the mountains. We urgently need to do something. Pancake. was it not known before? That the world is not flat as on a map. And again, yes, the elevation angle is small, some sources claim that it is less

[Per se.]

Yes, the Chinese also decided to hurry up, used a type 59 tank chassis, one 30 mm cannon, a copy of our 2A72 and a 7,62 mm machine gun, plus 20 unguided 70 mm (where 80 mm is indicated) missiles (on top of the blocks) and 4 guided ( the bottom of the blocks). Also included is a reconnaissance drone.

[Desperado]

"... in addition, under the turret (above the engine compartment) there are two more launchers for loitering S570 ammunition, each of which can hold two projectiles. Completing the arsenal of weapons is an active anti-personnel system mounted in the" skirt "and allowing to neutralize the enemy who has approached too close." https://warspot.ru/13347-qn-506-kitayskiy-otvet-terminatoru

[113262a]

On the tactics of using BMPT, let them study! In the battle line, no one is fighting anymore, as you cannot put an infantry fighting vehicle behind it, it makes no sense, in front, too, with fragments of tank BOPSs, it will knock down all the beauty, but it will be a little cramped nearby! For the passages in the minefields are good if they break through for the tanks. Or to hang KMT on Terminators too?

[Free wind]

By the way, in 09, on this net-tank, they defended their doctoral dissertation. On the topic, well, about "this machine is very necessary for you in the army" , I'm not lying at all.

[Wolf]

All this is good, but if the Terminator tanks are protected then they should have a 57mm cannon, which they guarded the bi and one UAV, too, to improve the radar so that the TOV (ATGM) would immediately disappear. Without this, Terminatori is almost useless today !!!