Japan is accelerating work on the creation of a fighter of its own design

Japan is accelerating work on the creation of a new generation fighter of its own design. As reported by the NHK TV channel, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has assembled a group of specialists in the practical development of a combat aircraft.

According to the newspaper, the group will include up to 500 specialists from both Mitsubishi Heavy Industries itself and several other Japanese companies specializing in the development of engines and radars. The group intends to build a prototype of a new aircraft by 2027 and begin mass production by 2031. Estimated project costs may exceed $ 14 billion.

The design image of the new NGF fighter appeared at the end of 2019, it was published by the Japanese Ministry of Defense. The new aircraft is planned to be twin-engine, with elements of stealth. It should be equipped with Japanese engines and radars, and, if possible, other equipment.

According to Tokyo's plans, the development of the new aircraft will use developments from its own program called Advanced Technology Demonstrator X (ATD-X), positioned as a "conceptual model of a promising fighter" of the fifth generation, created to play the role of a "flying stand" in order to develop technologies fighter of the future.

The promising combat aircraft should replace 90 F-2 aircraft that entered service in the early 2000s in the Japanese Air Force. It should be equipped with cruise missiles capable of hitting ships with high efficiency.

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[Ka-52]

The promising combat aircraft should replace 90 F-2 aircraft that entered service in the early 2000s in the Japanese Air Force.

Considering that they blinded the F-2 from the F-16 (with the power plant from GE) with the help of the Americans, it is clear that the same principle will be here. It only remains to understand what they will choose as the basic model. Judging by the advertising sketch - all the same F-22, with characteristic influxes, but for some reason with a larger wing aspect ratio. Whether the Americans will agree to transfer the design documentation for the F-22 to the Japanese is doubtful. The Japanese themselves will hardly be able to create a real version of the 5th generation machine by the end of the decade. Regular dreams like those of Pakistanis, Indians, British, Turks and others and others

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Ka-52

Whether the Americans will agree to transfer the design documentation for the F-22 to the Japanese is doubtful. The Japanese themselves will hardly be able to create a real version of the 5th generation machine by the end of the decade.

And they don't need it, because the F-22 has nothing to do with it.

Several foreign companies are also planned to participate in the project, including British BAE Systems, European Airbus and American Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Northrop Grumman. It is assumed that for the project of their aircraft, Japanese designers can borrow the developments on the European project of the FCAS fighter or the British Tempest.

Moreover, they already have their own groundwork

In the early 2010s, a technology demonstrator project for the fifth generation X-2 fighter, also known as the ATD-X Shinshin, was developed in Japan. This aircraft made its first flight in April 2016.

[Ka-52]

And they don't need it, because the F-22 has nothing to do with it.

of course nothing to do with. It's just that each demo model is just a copy of the F-22, and so yes - nothing to do with

Moreover, they already have their own groundwork

touched what?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Ka-52

the demo model is just a copy of the F-22

Well I do not know.
As for me, it looks more like our SU-34.

[Ka-52]

As for me, it looks more like our SU-34.

and how does it look like the Su-34? Where did you see PGO? Where are the straight keels? Where is the two-seater cockpit, in which the pilot and the navigator-operator sit side by side? Are the trailing edge of the wing of the Japanese and the Su-34 the same? The Japanese have their engines shifted to the center-mass point, while the Su-35 has farther

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Ka-52

Where is the two-seater cockpit, in which the pilot and the navigator-operator sit side by side?

Look at the picture, it is there in the foreground. It is impossible not to beat her.
But the similarity to the F-22 is just impossible to notice, well, except for the inclined keels. Well, now they even do it on all drones, do you think they are also based on the "raptor"?

[Ka-52]

Look at the picture, it is there in the foreground.

Well, in your model, some will only sit on each other's laps.

But the similarity to the F-22 is just impossible to notice, well, except for the inclined keels

not possible for you specifically. Which is generally forgivable, tk. is not specific to you.
1. We look at the edges of the root bead - they are typical for the F-22, because this is the shape that the LM designers have implemented for the formation of vortex bundles. Do you know their purpose?
2. We look at the location of the horizontal and vertical stabilizers. Does that even say something?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Ka-52

We look at the location of the horizontal and vertical stabilizers. Does that even say something?

He speaks.
They are not on the Japanese project, not at all. If in your opinion this should mean the same, then I do not even know what to answer.

[Ka-52]

He speaks.

Well, tell me WHAT is he talking about? We got into a dispute without having the slightest idea about the layout of the aircraft, so at least justify your opinion.

They are not on the Japanese project, not at all. If you think this should mean the same, then I don't even know what to branch.

The horizontal tail cannot be absent by definition. Can you tell me why without Vicki? This means that the control planes are either integrated into the wing (like in the "canard" aerodynamic scheme) or are in their classical place. It is difficult to understand from the picture. The first will not work because with such an arrangement of the main wing, the pitch control will not be effective. On the duck, this task is performed by the PGO, which is not here

[yehat2]

Quote: Ka-52

it is precisely this shape that was implemented by the LM designers for the formation of vortex bundles

the physical model for calculating vortices was stolen from the USSR during the collapse of the country in the 90s.
Before that, the Americans made very clumsy aircraft with a vortex - for example, the F-111, not really understanding how vortices are formed.
It would be interesting to know if these calculations were used in the f-22. From what I see, no.
So the formation of vortices is a very conditional thing.

[Zaurbek]

A beautiful glider ... shrink it a little, stick in one "Product30" and here it is a light fighter for the Russian Federation.

[yehat2]

Quote: Ka-52

and how is it similar to the Su-34?

2 tails, 2 wings, 2 engines - well, just a copy)))

[Klingon]

Quote: Ka-52

And they don't need it, because the F-22 has nothing to do with it.

of course nothing to do with. It's just that each demo model is just a copy of the F-22, and so yes - nothing to do with

Moreover, they already have their own groundwork

touched what?

convergent evolution only in technology. Dolphin and shark are also similar in appearance, but completely different animals. The shark is a fish, and the dolphin is a mammal. But the same habitat made them look alike. so here. The physical principles of stealth are the same
therefore, until more advanced physics is known, you will not see the Klingon "Bird of Prey" and all planes will be more or less similar

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Ka-52

Whether the Americans will agree to transfer the design documentation for the F-22 to the Japanese is doubtful. The Japanese themselves will hardly be able to create a real version of the 5th generation machine by the end of the decade. Regular dreams like those of Pakistanis, Indians, British, Turks and others and others

They will disagree, in 2006 the Japanese were denied the purchase of the F-22 and since then Japan has been developing its own analogue of the 5th generation aircraft, so there have been developments for two decades now and the developments on the Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin will be very useful (as and experts), so it might work out. And besides, Japan, politically, has changed a lot over these two decades .... i.e. the strengthening of military power and the course towards strengthening the armies is obvious, before it was not so obvious ... but everything is changing, and if there is a request from the government (and there is certainly one), then the money will be found and the project will be accelerated, so by the end of the decade it is quite real term, especially since in the same X-2 90% of components are locally produced, which means that the industry can implement such a project.

[Ka-52]

X-2 90% locally produced parts

isn't it funny to write this? It stands there Americanth F-110-GE-129. And the power plant as a percentage is by no means 10%. I'm not talking about the fact that American LM produced part of the center section

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Ka-52

isn't it funny to write this? It stands there Americanth F-110-GE-129. And the power plant as a percentage is by no means 10%. I'm not talking about the fact that American LM produced part of the center section

Not funny, this data is taken from a Japanese source, here is the translation:

Consolidating the power of the aviation industry
　The X2 was designed as an advanced technology demonstrator to give the next Japan Self-Defense Forces fighter (the successor to the F2) stealth. About 2009 billion yen have been invested since 39,4, and 90% of the parts are manufactured domestically. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries is the main player, Fuji Heavy Industries is the main wing and tail unit, Kawasaki Heavy Industries is the driver's seat, and IHI produces the first domestic afterburner (thrust increase) engine for fighters. technologies. The total number of parts reaches hundreds of thousands.

if you need I can give you a link ... but even if the Japanese exaggerated a little, this does not change the overall picture.

[Ka-52]

if you need I can give you a link ... but even if the Japanese exaggerated a little, this does not change the overall picture.

Why do I need your link? They can say, and even more so write anything. If you start to believe everything written, you will go crazy. But if you try to think with your own head, and not quote Japanese passages, then it is easy to understand WHAT SHARE in the overall (constructive, aerodynamic, financial) scheme the power plant has! If you think that the engine is only 10% of the plane, then there is nothing to argue with you, in principle.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ka-52

If you think that the engine is only 10% of the plane, then there is nothing to argue with you, in principle.

The X-2 is powered by Japanese IHI Corporation XF5 engines, they are equipped with UHT. Naturally, they have non-afterburning cruising supersonic.
Where did you get the information about the F-110, a mystery.

[Ka-52]

The X-2 is powered by Japanese IHI Corporation XF5 engines, they are equipped with UHT. Naturally, they have supersonic cruising without afterburner.

firstly, without UHT. Secondly, about the NW on the COP without afterburner pzhl. link to the manufacturer. Tk. 11t thrust can only give it in your imagination.

Where did you get the information about the F-110, a mystery.

The F-110 was written in the context of the F-2. The use of a localized engine has not yet been decided. Perhaps it will be F414

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ka-52

firstly, without UHT.

Seriously? and what is in the photo then?

Quote: Ka-52

Secondly, about the NW on the COP without afterburner pzhl. link to the manufacturer.

It has: Mach 1.28 supercruise
Data from wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_X-2_Shinshin
The wiki links to these sources, search and translate yourself if you want:
9. Miyakawa; et al. "Research of Flight Control System for High Maneuver Aircraft" (PDF).三菱 重工 技 報. Retrieved 17 June 2009.
26.http: //www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyouka/seisaku/results/21/jigo/youshi/16.pdf
27. ^ Jennings, Gareth (27 January 2016). "Japan prepares for ATD-X maiden flight". Jane's Defense Weekly. Surrey, UK: Jane's Information Group. 53 (12). ISSN 0265-3818.

Quote: Ka-52

About the F-110 was written in the context of the F-2

No comment.

Quote: Ka-52

X-2 90% locally produced components

isn't it funny to write this? It stands there Americanth F-110-GE-129.

[Ka-52]

Seriously? and what is in the photo then?

this is not an UHT. Take a closer look

Data from wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_X-2_Shinshin

you leave them to yourself. On the X-2, it is not even determined which of the engines will be installed. The XF5-1 engine underwent only ground tests in various modes.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ka-52

this is not an UHT. Take a closer look

I look, I see "petals" for thrust vector control. Similar Rockwell-MBB X-31.

Quote: Ka-52

The XF5-1 engine underwent only ground tests in various modes.

The first flight was in 2016. Do you think he was the only one? Or the fact that there is no information on the Runet, so this does not happen? Oh well

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ka-52

The Japanese themselves will hardly be able to create a real version of the 5th generation machine by the end of the decade.

Of course it won't be 5th generation. This aircraft will be the next, 6th generation. They have already passed the stage of 3-4-5 generations.
The F-2 is based on the F-16, but this is a new aircraft.

With the X-2 Shinshin they created a full 5th generation.

The technological level of Japan will make it possible to realize their ideas, which they themselves cannot buy from partners.

Quote: Ka-52

Regular dreams like those of Pakistanis, Indians, British, Turks and others and others

The world has changed. Technologies have become more accessible, the economic level has risen, what was available to the few has become common. England and France had and have a powerful aircraft industry, in no way inferior to the United States, capable of making any aircraft together and separately. Germany and Japan are struggling with psychological complexes after World War II, only this prevents them from being in the lead. China is already in the lead. South Korea, Turkey, India, Pakistan are in the second echelon, without strong partners they will not be able to implement aviation projects themselves.
I am more worried about Russia, the Su-57 was implemented with strain, and then with the Al-41, which is still not clear from the radar. With difficulty, piece by piece we produce aircraft from the times of the USSR, new civilians died under sanctions. In addition to the paper projectors, nothing is visible.

[Ka-52]

With the X-2 Shinshin they created a full 5th generation.

heh))) Well, what are you guided by when making such a conclusion? Well, except for throwing pictures at us.

Technologies have become more accessible, the economic level has risen, what was available to the elect has become common

Yes Yes. Directly I see the Asia-Pacific Region and KMD on the F-35, which are freely available on the Internet

I'm more worried about Russia

well, knowing your worship of the American military-industrial complex, I'm not even surprised at the subject of "concern"

[d4rkmesa]

Nowadays, many people can design an airplane "digitally", but they can no longer reach flight models.

[Sergey39]

It's too late to drink Borjomi. Ams firmly occupied the first line of the media in this matter.

[zwlad]

I wonder if the Japanese have an engine? Or will they crawl to the Americans for a license?

[donavi49]

Why will they crawl. They will buy. And not just the engine. In general, such projects, such as a Chinese and a Korean - 4,5 +++ - 5-5 + - an application for 6, may well shoot.

[OgnennyiKotik]

I came across an interesting presentation from the Ishi corporation, there was such a slide

[zwlad]

Who can argue that they can shoot. And then the "partners" will revoke the license to manufacture, for example, an engine or stealth coatings and that's it. Billions of $ invested in the project will be dead weight.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: zwlad

I wonder if the Japanese have an engine?

There is. On the X-2 are IHI Corporation XF5 with UHT, non-afterburning cruising supersonic. There are several other developments.

[zwlad]

Uh-huh. Only the X-2 is not exactly a combat aircraft, I would even say that it is not at all combat, but simply a demonstrator of technologies. And it may happen that a completely different engine will have to be installed on the promising F-3.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: zwlad

And it may happen that a completely different engine will have to be installed on the promising F-3.

So they do the XF9. The prototype was assembled back in 2018.
https://nplus1-ru.turbopages.org/nplus1.ru/s/news/2018/01/19/detengine?utm_source=turbo_turbo

[d4rkmesa]

There is some kind, but "small". They will buy, however, it is not clear which engines the ama will sell them. Something I do not remember the precedents of sales of engines of the 5th generation without carriers. Maybe together with BAE they will make a new one - the British, in principle, can, they designed the F-136 prototype.

[Maikcg]

There were good designs ...

And the aircraft carrier

And here is some bar of soap

[d4rkmesa]

BGG, these designs are 20 years out of date. Now it is clear to everyone that KOS is still a hemorrhoid without any special advantages. It looks cool though.

[gridasov]

This is ridiculous! Japan is a leader in the development of AI, but then why can't they create a really efficient engine. And the main thing is that they do not understand the reason for this inefficiency.