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Japan is accelerating work on the creation of a fighter of its own design

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Japan is accelerating work on the creation of a fighter of its own design

Japan is accelerating work on the creation of a new generation fighter of its own design. As reported by the NHK TV channel, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has assembled a group of specialists in the practical development of a combat aircraft.


According to the newspaper, the group will include up to 500 specialists from both Mitsubishi Heavy Industries itself and several other Japanese companies specializing in the development of engines and radars. The group intends to build a prototype of a new aircraft by 2027 and begin mass production by 2031. Estimated project costs may exceed $ 14 billion.

The design image of the new NGF fighter appeared at the end of 2019, it was published by the Japanese Ministry of Defense. The new aircraft is planned to be twin-engine, with elements of stealth. It should be equipped with Japanese engines and radars, and, if possible, other equipment.

According to Tokyo's plans, the development of the new aircraft will use developments from its own program called Advanced Technology Demonstrator X (ATD-X), positioned as a "conceptual model of a promising fighter" of the fifth generation, created to play the role of a "flying stand" in order to develop technologies fighter of the future.

The promising combat aircraft should replace 90 F-2 aircraft that entered service in the early 2000s in the Japanese Air Force. It should be equipped with cruise missiles capable of hitting ships with high efficiency.
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  1. Intruder
    Intruder 15 March 2021 06: 50
    -7
    It should be equipped with cruise missiles capable of hitting ships with high efficiency.
    that is, they already have problems with anti-ship missiles from partners in the Pacific Ocean - to purchase, together with carriers, such as: F / A-18 or F-35B / C !? laughing Now there will be a budget for the development of the 5th generation of its own gloomy ... spend !? wink
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 15 March 2021 07: 00
      +6
      Quote: Intruder
      that is, they already have problems with anti-ship missiles from partners in the Pacific Ocean - to purchase, together with carriers,

      They have no problems with buying.
      They just want not only to have, they want it themselves be able to... And they do not mind the money for this.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 15 March 2021 07: 23
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        Quote: Jacket in stock
        They just want not only to have, they want to be able to do it themselves.
        The Japs are smart ...
        They are tired of them under the American occupation, so they are saving up their strengths.
        By the way, to create a yadrenbaton they have absolutely all the capabilities of the industry and competence ...
        1. Postum
          Postum 15 March 2021 11: 15
          -1
          They are tired of them under the American occupation, so they are saving up their strengths.
          , did they tell you or did you invent it?
        2. bayard
          bayard 15 March 2021 13: 06
          +1
          Quote: Victor_B
          They are tired of them under the American occupation, so they are saving up their strengths.

          And without an occupier, they will not be able to fight off China, and even from us. Yes, and both Koreas to them with the second World special "love" are burning. For absolutely all countries in the region, Japan is an ENEMY, and an exitential one. Everyone remembers the Japanese occupation.
          And they need their own weapons, firstly - because they can, and secondly - because the hegemon is deflated and one day the Japanese will be left alone with the universal "love" of the entire region.
          And first of all - China.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 15 March 2021 13: 36
            +2
            And they need their own weapons, firstly - because they can, and secondly - because the hegemon is deflated

            Until they received the F-35 and flew on it, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries threw away from this development for almost 10 years as best it could.
            But now they decided to do it. So it's hot. hi
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 March 2021 09: 00
        +2
        Japanese variations of the F-15 and F-16 came out more expensive than the originals always. But the Japs supported their producers.
    2. dgonni
      dgonni 15 March 2021 09: 15
      +3
      These are plans for the 6th generation!
      And given the fact that the state had promised the Japanese f-22 in exchange for the closure of their program, then they were boarded. Then in 10 years Japan will have its own 6th generation fighter
    3. yehat2
      yehat2 15 March 2021 13: 23
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      the Japanese now have a much better air RCC than what the United States is using.
      with the f-35, too, much does not grow together, especially the range, which is traditionally required long.
      I think the Japanese will create a modern analogue of the Tornado.
  2. Ka-52
    Ka-52 15 March 2021 06: 58
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    The promising combat aircraft should replace 90 F-2 aircraft that entered service in the early 2000s in the Japanese Air Force.

    Considering that they blinded the F-2 from the F-16 (with the power plant from GE) with the help of the Americans, it is clear that the same principle will be here. It only remains to understand what they will choose as the basic model. Judging by the advertising sketch - all the same F-22, with characteristic influxes, but for some reason with a larger wing aspect ratio. Whether the Americans will agree to transfer the design documentation for the F-22 to the Japanese is doubtful. The Japanese themselves will hardly be able to create a real version of the 5th generation machine by the end of the decade. Regular dreams like those of Pakistanis, Indians, British, Turks and others and others
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 15 March 2021 07: 27
      +3
      Quote: Ka-52
      Whether the Americans will agree to transfer the design documentation for the F-22 to the Japanese is doubtful. The Japanese themselves will hardly be able to create a real version of the 5th generation machine by the end of the decade.

      And they don't need it, because the F-22 has nothing to do with it.
      Several foreign companies are also planned to participate in the project, including British BAE Systems, European Airbus and American Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Northrop Grumman. It is assumed that for the project of their aircraft, Japanese designers can borrow the developments on the European project of the FCAS fighter or the British Tempest.

      Moreover, they already have their own groundwork
      In the early 2010s, a technology demonstrator project for the fifth generation X-2 fighter, also known as the ATD-X Shinshin, was developed in Japan. This aircraft made its first flight in April 2016.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 15 March 2021 07: 35
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        And they don't need it, because the F-22 has nothing to do with it.

        of course nothing to do with. It's just that each demo model is just a copy of the F-22, and so yes - nothing to do with laughing
        Moreover, they already have their own groundwork

        touched what?
        1. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 15 March 2021 07: 44
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          Quote: Ka-52
          the demo model is just a copy of the F-22

          Well I do not know.
          As for me, it looks more like our SU-34.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 15 March 2021 08: 00
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            As for me, it looks more like our SU-34.

            and how does it look like the Su-34? Where did you see PGO? Where are the straight keels? Where is the two-seater cockpit, in which the pilot and the navigator-operator sit side by side? Are the trailing edge of the wing of the Japanese and the Su-34 the same? The Japanese have their engines shifted to the center-mass point, while the Su-35 has farther


            1. Jacket in stock
              Jacket in stock 15 March 2021 08: 07
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              Quote: Ka-52
              Where is the two-seater cockpit, in which the pilot and the navigator-operator sit side by side?

              Look at the picture, it is there in the foreground. It is impossible not to beat her.
              But the similarity to the F-22 is just impossible to notice, well, except for the inclined keels. Well, now they even do it on all drones, do you think they are also based on the "raptor"?
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 15 March 2021 08: 18
                +2
                Look at the picture, it is there in the foreground.

                Well, in your model, some will only sit on each other's laps.
                But the similarity to the F-22 is just impossible to notice, well, except for the inclined keels

                not possible for you specifically. Which is generally forgivable, tk. is not specific to you.
                1. We look at the edges of the root bead - they are typical for the F-22, because this is the shape that the LM designers have implemented for the formation of vortex bundles. Do you know their purpose?
                2. We look at the location of the horizontal and vertical stabilizers. Does that even say something?

                1. Jacket in stock
                  Jacket in stock 15 March 2021 08: 27
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                  Quote: Ka-52
                  We look at the location of the horizontal and vertical stabilizers. Does that even say something?

                  He speaks.
                  They are not on the Japanese project, not at all. If in your opinion this should mean the same, then I do not even know what to answer.
                  1. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 15 March 2021 08: 37
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                    He speaks.

                    Well, tell me WHAT is he talking about? We got into a dispute without having the slightest idea about the layout of the aircraft, so at least justify your opinion.
                    They are not on the Japanese project, not at all. If you think this should mean the same, then I don't even know what to branch.

                    The horizontal tail cannot be absent by definition. Can you tell me why without Vicki? This means that the control planes are either integrated into the wing (like in the "canard" aerodynamic scheme) or are in their classical place. It is difficult to understand from the picture. The first will not work because with such an arrangement of the main wing, the pitch control will not be effective. On the duck, this task is performed by the PGO, which is not here
                2. yehat2
                  yehat2 15 March 2021 14: 36
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                  Quote: Ka-52
                  it is precisely this shape that was implemented by the LM designers for the formation of vortex bundles

                  the physical model for calculating vortices was stolen from the USSR during the collapse of the country in the 90s.
                  Before that, the Americans made very clumsy aircraft with a vortex - for example, the F-111, not really understanding how vortices are formed.
                  It would be interesting to know if these calculations were used in the f-22. From what I see, no.
                  So the formation of vortices is a very conditional thing.
            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 15 March 2021 09: 01
              +1
              A beautiful glider ... shrink it a little, stick in one "Product30" and here it is a light fighter for the Russian Federation.
            3. yehat2
              yehat2 15 March 2021 13: 53
              +2
              Quote: Ka-52
              and how is it similar to the Su-34?

              2 tails, 2 wings, 2 engines - well, just a copy)))
        2. Klingon
          Klingon 17 March 2021 00: 15
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          Quote: Ka-52
          And they don't need it, because the F-22 has nothing to do with it.

          of course nothing to do with. It's just that each demo model is just a copy of the F-22, and so yes - nothing to do with laughing
          Moreover, they already have their own groundwork

          touched what?

          convergent evolution only in technology. Dolphin and shark are also similar in appearance, but completely different animals. The shark is a fish, and the dolphin is a mammal. But the same habitat made them look alike. so here. The physical principles of stealth are the same
          therefore, until more advanced physics is known, you will not see the Klingon "Bird of Prey" and all planes will be more or less similar
    2. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 15 March 2021 08: 28
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      Quote: Ka-52
      Whether the Americans will agree to transfer the design documentation for the F-22 to the Japanese is doubtful. The Japanese themselves will hardly be able to create a real version of the 5th generation machine by the end of the decade. Regular dreams like those of Pakistanis, Indians, British, Turks and others and others


      They will disagree, in 2006 the Japanese were denied the purchase of the F-22 and since then Japan has been developing its own analogue of the 5th generation aircraft, so there have been developments for two decades now and the developments on the Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin will be very useful (as and experts), so it might work out. And besides, Japan, politically, has changed a lot over these two decades .... i.e. the strengthening of military power and the course towards strengthening the armies is obvious, before it was not so obvious ... but everything is changing, and if there is a request from the government (and there is certainly one), then the money will be found and the project will be accelerated, so by the end of the decade it is quite real term, especially since in the same X-2 90% of components are locally produced, which means that the industry can implement such a project.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 15 March 2021 08: 42
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        X-2 90% locally produced parts

        isn't it funny to write this? It stands there Americanth F-110-GE-129. And the power plant as a percentage is by no means 10%. I'm not talking about the fact that American LM produced part of the center section
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 15 March 2021 09: 00
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          Quote: Ka-52

          isn't it funny to write this? It stands there Americanth F-110-GE-129. And the power plant as a percentage is by no means 10%. I'm not talking about the fact that American LM produced part of the center section


          Not funny, this data is taken from a Japanese source, here is the translation:

          Consolidating the power of the aviation industry
           The X2 was designed as an advanced technology demonstrator to give the next Japan Self-Defense Forces fighter (the successor to the F2) stealth. About 2009 billion yen have been invested since 39,4, and 90% of the parts are manufactured domestically. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries is the main player, Fuji Heavy Industries is the main wing and tail unit, Kawasaki Heavy Industries is the driver's seat, and IHI produces the first domestic afterburner (thrust increase) engine for fighters. technologies. The total number of parts reaches hundreds of thousands.


          if you need I can give you a link ... but even if the Japanese exaggerated a little, this does not change the overall picture.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 15 March 2021 09: 25
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            if you need I can give you a link ... but even if the Japanese exaggerated a little, this does not change the overall picture.

            Why do I need your link? They can say, and even more so write anything. If you start to believe everything written, you will go crazy. But if you try to think with your own head, and not quote Japanese passages, then it is easy to understand WHAT SHARE in the overall (constructive, aerodynamic, financial) scheme the power plant has! If you think that the engine is only 10% of the plane, then there is nothing to argue with you, in principle. laughing
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 09: 50
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              Quote: Ka-52
              If you think that the engine is only 10% of the plane, then there is nothing to argue with you, in principle.

              The X-2 is powered by Japanese IHI Corporation XF5 engines, they are equipped with UHT. Naturally, they have non-afterburning cruising supersonic.
              Where did you get the information about the F-110, a mystery.
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 15 March 2021 10: 03
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                The X-2 is powered by Japanese IHI Corporation XF5 engines, they are equipped with UHT. Naturally, they have supersonic cruising without afterburner.

                firstly, without UHT. Secondly, about the NW on the COP without afterburner pzhl. link to the manufacturer. Tk. 11t thrust can only give it in your imagination.
                Where did you get the information about the F-110, a mystery.

                The F-110 was written in the context of the F-2. The use of a localized engine has not yet been decided. Perhaps it will be F414
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 10: 28
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                  Quote: Ka-52
                  firstly, without UHT.

                  Seriously? and what is in the photo then?


                  Quote: Ka-52
                  Secondly, about the NW on the COP without afterburner pzhl. link to the manufacturer.

                  It has: Mach 1.28 supercruise
                  Data from wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_X-2_Shinshin
                  The wiki links to these sources, search and translate yourself if you want:
                  9. Miyakawa; et al. "Research of Flight Control System for High Maneuver Aircraft" (PDF).三菱 重工 技 報. Retrieved 17 June 2009.
                  26.http: //www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyouka/seisaku/results/21/jigo/youshi/16.pdf
                  27. ^ Jennings, Gareth (27 January 2016). "Japan prepares for ATD-X maiden flight". Jane's Defense Weekly. Surrey, UK: Jane's Information Group. 53 (12). ISSN 0265-3818.

                  Quote: Ka-52
                  About the F-110 was written in the context of the F-2

                  No comment.
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  X-2 90% locally produced components

                  isn't it funny to write this? It stands there Americanth F-110-GE-129.
                  1. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 15 March 2021 12: 56
                    -1
                    Seriously? and what is in the photo then?

                    this is not an UHT. Take a closer look
                    Data from wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_X-2_Shinshin

                    you leave them to yourself. On the X-2, it is not even determined which of the engines will be installed. The XF5-1 engine underwent only ground tests in various modes.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 13: 19
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                      Quote: Ka-52
                      this is not an UHT. Take a closer look

                      I look, I see "petals" for thrust vector control. Similar Rockwell-MBB X-31.
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      The XF5-1 engine underwent only ground tests in various modes.

                      The first flight was in 2016. Do you think he was the only one? Or the fact that there is no information on the Runet, so this does not happen? Oh well
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 08: 50
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      Quote: Ka-52
      The Japanese themselves will hardly be able to create a real version of the 5th generation machine by the end of the decade.

      Of course it won't be 5th generation. This aircraft will be the next, 6th generation. They have already passed the stage of 3-4-5 generations.
      The F-2 is based on the F-16, but this is a new aircraft.

      With the X-2 Shinshin they created a full 5th generation.


      The technological level of Japan will make it possible to realize their ideas, which they themselves cannot buy from partners.
      Quote: Ka-52
      Regular dreams like those of Pakistanis, Indians, British, Turks and others and others

      The world has changed. Technologies have become more accessible, the economic level has risen, what was available to the few has become common. England and France had and have a powerful aircraft industry, in no way inferior to the United States, capable of making any aircraft together and separately. Germany and Japan are struggling with psychological complexes after World War II, only this prevents them from being in the lead. China is already in the lead. South Korea, Turkey, India, Pakistan are in the second echelon, without strong partners they will not be able to implement aviation projects themselves.
      I am more worried about Russia, the Su-57 was implemented with strain, and then with the Al-41, which is still not clear from the radar. With difficulty, piece by piece we produce aircraft from the times of the USSR, new civilians died under sanctions. In addition to the paper projectors, nothing is visible.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 15 March 2021 09: 31
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        With the X-2 Shinshin they created a full 5th generation.

        laughing heh))) Well, what are you guided by when making such a conclusion? Well, except for throwing pictures at us.
        Technologies have become more accessible, the economic level has risen, what was available to the elect has become common

        Yes Yes. Directly I see the Asia-Pacific Region and KMD on the F-35, which are freely available on the Internet laughing
        I'm more worried about Russia

        well, knowing your worship of the American military-industrial complex, I'm not even surprised at the subject of "concern" laughing
      2. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 16 March 2021 19: 55
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        Nowadays, many people can design an airplane "digitally", but they can no longer reach flight models.
  3. Sergey39
    Sergey39 15 March 2021 08: 04
    -2
    It's too late to drink Borjomi. Ams firmly occupied the first line of the media in this matter.
  4. zwlad
    zwlad 15 March 2021 08: 58
    -4
    I wonder if the Japanese have an engine? Or will they crawl to the Americans for a license?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 March 2021 09: 46
      +3
      Why will they crawl. They will buy. And not just the engine. In general, such projects, such as a Chinese and a Korean - 4,5 +++ - 5-5 + - an application for 6, may well shoot.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 10: 58
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        I came across an interesting presentation from the Ishi corporation, there was such a slide
      2. zwlad
        zwlad 15 March 2021 11: 02
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        Who can argue that they can shoot. And then the "partners" will revoke the license to manufacture, for example, an engine or stealth coatings and that's it. Billions of $ invested in the project will be dead weight.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 09: 59
      -1
      Quote: zwlad
      I wonder if the Japanese have an engine?

      There is. On the X-2 are IHI Corporation XF5 with UHT, non-afterburning cruising supersonic. There are several other developments.
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 15 March 2021 11: 14
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        Uh-huh. Only the X-2 is not exactly a combat aircraft, I would even say that it is not at all combat, but simply a demonstrator of technologies. And it may happen that a completely different engine will have to be installed on the promising F-3.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 11: 19
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          Quote: zwlad
          And it may happen that a completely different engine will have to be installed on the promising F-3.

          So they do the XF9. The prototype was assembled back in 2018.
          https://nplus1-ru.turbopages.org/nplus1.ru/s/news/2018/01/19/detengine?utm_source=turbo_turbo
    3. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 16 March 2021 19: 57
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      There is some kind, but "small". They will buy, however, it is not clear which engines the ama will sell them. Something I do not remember the precedents of sales of engines of the 5th generation without carriers. Maybe together with BAE they will make a new one - the British, in principle, can, they designed the F-136 prototype.
  5. Maikcg
    Maikcg 15 March 2021 18: 47
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    There were good designs ...

    And the aircraft carrier

    And here is some bar of soap
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 16 March 2021 19: 58
      0
      BGG, these designs are 20 years out of date. Now it is clear to everyone that KOS is still a hemorrhoid without any special advantages. It looks cool though.
  6. gridasov
    gridasov 16 March 2021 19: 44
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    This is ridiculous! Japan is a leader in the development of AI, but then why can't they create a really efficient engine. And the main thing is that they do not understand the reason for this inefficiency.