Rada deputy: China made a retaliatory move in connection with the position of Ukraine on the Motor Sich plant

At the Motor Sich enterprise

Ukrainian politician Vadim Rabinovich, a member of the leadership group of the Opposition Platform - For Life, commented on the reaction of his Chinese partners to the sanctions imposed on the investors of the Motor Sich enterprise from China. Recall that on the "initiative" of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, it was decided to introduce anti-Chinese economic measures. Subsequently, in Ukraine, officials started talking about their readiness to nationalize Motor Sich. The other day, NSDC Secretary Oleksiy Danilov announced that this "will not be nationalization, but the transfer of the enterprise to the Ukrainian people," adding that "Russia is directly involved in taking over the Ukrainian plant together with the Chinese."

Rada deputy Vadim Rabinovich, representing the political association with the highest rating in Ukraine at the moment, said that the Ukrainian authorities waited for a response from China on Motor Sich.

On Facebook, the Ukrainian People's Deputy wrote that if earlier China had maintained a neutral position on Crimea for a long time, now it has decided to defiantly send a commission to the peninsula, headed by representatives of the Export-Import Commission. This is a retaliatory move from China to Ukraine's position on the aforementioned plant.

Rabinovich notes that the Chinese delegation is negotiating with local authorities in order to establish partnerships in Crimea, on joint projects with Crimean enterprises. In particular, the issue of tourism, resort business, treatment of Chinese citizens in the Crimean health resorts is being discussed.

In this regard, an ironic comment from a Ukrainian user appeared on Vadim Rabinovich's Facebook page that the extremist site (*) Peacemaker, which has long been demanded to be blocked by international organizations, "will not withstand 1,5 billion new data."

It should be noted that the trip of the Chinese representatives was the first visit in a similar format to the Russian Crimea. Experts called this a step by Beijing towards the de facto recognition of the Crimean Peninsula as part of the Russian Federation.

Comments

[Theodore]

Any war with China will end in the unconditional surrender of the enemy! Nobody will feed so many prisoners!

[martin-159]

You tell this anecdote to the Japanese.

[TermNachTer]

Why tell the Japanese? They fought with the Chinese more than once - everyone knows how it ended)))

[t-12]

Is it over for whom? For the Chinese prisoners?

[TermNachTer]

No, for the Japanese, who were hanged by the judgment of the Tokyo Tribunal and the courts of other countries.

[kenig1]

Did the Chinese defeated Japan after a series of offensive operations?

[TermNachTer]

You can conduct a million offensive operations and lose the war. China is among the victorious countries in World War II. And Japan?)))

[kenig1]

I would especially note France in the camp of the winners.

[TermNachTer]

What's wrong with that? In time to "change shoes", right in the jump, you also need to be able to do this))) Japan just could not)))

[Afro Ukrainian]

like thailand!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: t-12

Is it over for whom? For the Chinese prisoners?

In Nanjing, no one was taken prisoner - they simply cut off the head of both military and civilians and men and women.
People are taken prisoner, but the Japanese did not consider the Chinese people as people.
The Yapps were very lucky to have guessed to capitulate in time - according to the Yalta agreements, most of Japan fell into the zone of Chinese occupation ...

[TermNachTer]

I think they didn’t guess, but this information was “pushed” to them through semi-official channels. When you read Hattori Takushiro or Sadatoshi Tomioka, it turns out that the defense of the islands was being prepared in all seriousness, at any cost. And even Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in this matter, the samurai were not strongly influenced, there were no fools there either, they knew that the amers no longer had bombs and they would not appear soon. But when they were hinted that when the allies seized Japan, it does not matter in the 46th or 47th, then most of the occupation zone will be Chinese. Then, the Emperor quickly gave his speech.

[AllXVahhaB]

It ended ALWAYS with Japan's victory! An exception that confirms the rule when other countries harnessed to the Chinese!

[TermNachTer]

And the allies did not harness for the USSR?)))

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: TermNachTER

And the allies did not harness for the USSR?)))

And who fought instead of us ???

[boinac]

This is at the end of 44 years?. When it was necessary to lay down the lives of thousands of our soldiers. So that the Germans in the Channel did not drown these grief warriors. I wonder how they simply didn’t come to sign a peace treaty at all! like we were standing nearby too.

[andrew42]

The Japanese will not be amused by such an anecdote. Modern China is not the China of the 30s, which grew out of the late 19th century during the "open door" policy and wild technological lag. The difference is the same as between the Suvorov regiments and the Minin-Pozharsky militia. With modern China, jokes are bad - China "laughs last" already de facto, moving step by step towards the establishment of Pax Sinica.

[Profiler]

Rabinovich notes that the Chinese delegation is negotiating with local authorities in order to establish partnerships in Crimea, on joint projects with Crimean enterprises. In particular, the issue of tourism, resort business, treatment of Chinese citizens in the Crimean health resorts is being discussed.

In this regard, an ironic comment from a Ukrainian user appeared on Vadim Rabinovich's Facebook page that the extremist website (*) "Peacemaker", which has long been demanded to be blocked by international organizations, "will not withstand 1,5 billion new data"

It is quite a sensible step of the PRC.
I am not sure that it is connected precisely with the situation around investments in Motor Sich, but in Crimea, China will receive even more profits.
Although, of course, the question at the plant was no longer about business as such, but about technology.

But since it did not grow together there, Crimea is open for an honest, mutually beneficial partnership.

"Peacemaker"? You might think "mega resource" ...
With China, the "US cloud service" cannot compete on equal terms ...

[210ox]

And if you look at it from the other side. Isn't it time for us to nationalize enterprises (in particular, petrochemicals) that were removed from the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: 210ox

Isn't it time for us to nationalize enterprises (in particular petrochemicals) that were removed from the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation?

When the Russian Federation acquired a 20% stake in Airbus, the EU became alarmed in earnest and decided that these shares were NOT VOTING.
Who prevents us, on the same grounds (copy one to one), from making the shares of all foreigners in key industries NOT VOTING? After that, they themselves will quickly get rid of these shares at a BIG discount.

[Egoza]

Quote: Profiler

It is quite a sensible step of the PRC.

Well yes. And in Kiev they thought that China would swallow everything in silence. And now try to organize "hefty patriotic" provocations or sabotage when the Chinese are resting there.

[venik]

Quote: Egoza

Well yes. And in Kiev they thought that China would swallow everything in silence.

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I look at the Kiev authorities and never cease to be amazed! This is some kind of madhouse, in half with an almshouse! I wonder WHICH place they think there? Obviously not with your head! The spinal cord is also not suitable: some claim that the "spinal cord" can anticipate future troubles ...
There remains only ..... "seat"! They behave like monkeys galloping on a baobab: there are a lot of screeching, convulsive movements - more than enough, and the "smart" is completely atrophied!

[Eug]

An honest, mutually beneficial partnership - with the Chinese? Well, well ... there is an opinion that the Kiev Maidan was caused precisely by the desire of the Chinese to gain a foothold (so far "economically") in Crimea and bring 2 million workers (young, physically strong men) there to work on Chinese construction sites. All this was agreed with Yanukovych, and the Chinese are unlikely to abandon these plans ...

[Cananecat]

The experience of past wars shows that prisoners can not be fed ...
Tired of counting how many times the 404s shot themselves in the leg in a particularly perverse way ... when will they run out of legs?

[Egoza]

Quote: Canecat

when will they run out of legs?

Come on! We have two bullets in the head in case of "suicide" - no question. And then there are some legs.

[Simargl]

Quote: Egoza

Come on! We have two bullets in the head in case of "suicide" - no question.

OTs-23 "Dart".
THREE bullets to the head - no question!

[rjpthju]

There will simply be nowhere to bury them ...

[iouris]

What is the number of representatives of the Export-Import Commission? It's kind of scary.

[Waltasar]

this "will not be nationalization, but the transfer of the enterprise to the Ukrainian people"

Smells like communism. But what about decommunization?

[Profiler]

Quote: Waltasar

Smells like communism. But what about decommunization?

Apparently this is exactly the "News 15.03.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX" that Ukraine frightened us with.
She capitulates and becomes the People's Republic.

[Egoza]

Quote: Profiler

She capitulates and becomes the People's Republic.

You will not wait! Even the name will not work. They are illiterate people, they do not know what "nationalization" is and what it is to "transfer to the people." And if the name is changed, then the names will be substituted for "Khutor ...." and in ellipses. Depends on a situation.

[Profiler]

Quote: Egoza

You will not wait! Even the name will not work.

You are mistaken Indeed, in their "history" there was already "UNR", and even" Z-UNR ", pseudo-formations drawn to the people by the ears.

[Egoza]

Quote: Profiler

Indeed, in their "history" there was already "UNR", and even "Z-UNR", pseudo-formations drawn to the people by the ears.

These names have already discredited themselves. Yes, and it is not fashionable today, we would have something with the word "democracy"

[Insurgent]

Quote: Egoza

Quote: Profiler

Indeed, in their "history" there was already "UNR", and even "Z-UNR", pseudo-formations drawn to the people by the ears.

These names have already discredited themselves. Yes, and it is not fashionable today, we would have something with the word "democracy"

"UDR"? Уkrainsky Дdemocratic Рthe republic?

UDRsounds and looks

[Egoza]

Quote: Insurgent

Sounds and looks awesome

But Klitschko's Strike is similar to the game! That means who will be the next president!

[evgen1221]

Well, good luck, it's high time. And the Ukrainians will still have to wait for the exclusive draconian terms of purchases in general for all Chinese products. Exclusively expensive and with maximum red tape. I hope that after the throw, the Chinese will be very vindictive.

[mikh-korsakov]

Well, yes, if Rabinovich said, then everything will happen. Rabinovich is the head.

[martin-159]

I wouldn't put a finger in his mouth ...

[rusich]

China will not forgive Svidomo buying a factory. Prepare for Chinese sanctions Banderlog

[Tagan]

"Peacemaker", which has long been demanded to block international organizations, "will not withstand 1,5 billion new data."
1,5 billion new entries with the same photo. Glitches along with the species, one hundred pounds.

[Sergey39]

This influx of the Chinese can be considered positive, but not sufficient!
There is such an opinion.

[Avior]

SIMFEROPOL, March 10. / TASS /. The Beijing Export-Import Trading Company has invited Crimean businessmen to visit China to establish partnerships. .... During the visit, a delegation of Chinese businessmen will visit a number of enterprises of the wine industry and agriculture of the peninsula, as well as resort regions. "For now, we will discuss the possibilities of a recreational complex, namely, improvement in our country, on the territory of the republic. So that the Chinese come to us for health improvement. Because there is interest in the Saka mud," Kiviko noted. The Deputy Prime Minister clarified that the talks about the contracts will go after the study tour to the enterprises of the peninsula. “We need to study the market, the price, conduct marketing research in China,” explained Kiviko.

Another batch of Chinese came to drink for free, and to relax at the expense of the host side. And contracts are not what contracts, first you need to study the market. Pour, in short :)))
before the European lovers of freebies were taken for the same purposes, now they got to the Chinese ones.
And Rabinovich considers this company of Chinese freeloaders to be the official representatives of the PRC? I composed some commission ...

[Glory to Berkut]

Read carefully, it says "Pekinskaya", not "Kievskaya"

[Avior]

Read carefully, there is not a word about the commission, it says the Company.
And in the article, a group of lovers of plump for free was portrayed as almost the official delegation of China.
Over the years, a huge number of such freeloaders who want to relax at the expense of the host country have swept through the Crimea. Only earlier they drove from Europe, now they got to China.

[Glory to Berkut]

Quote: Avior

Read carefully, there is not a word about the commission, it says the Company.

I didn’t talk about any "commission"

Quote: Avior

And in the article, a group of lovers of plump for free was portrayed as almost the official delegation of China.

Where such confidence? Have you been in the host delegation or were you squinting hard?

Quote: Avior

Over the years, a huge number of such freeloaders who want to relax at the expense of the host country have swept through the Crimea. Only earlier they drove from Europe, now they got to China.

Well, of course. Businessmen from the most dynamically developing country came to Crimea in March for a freebie. More damn nowhere for them to go to warm the belly and drink vodka

[Avior]

Where they were invited for free, we went there. Why not.
Have they been invited somewhere else for free?
They have nothing to do with the government of the People's Republic of China, as depicted in the article.
And the word "Kievskaya" is generally out of place.

[Glory to Berkut]

Quote: Avior

And the word "Kievskaya" is generally out of place.

Why out of place? As a former citizen of Ukraine, I can report that the questions are: "Will they give us a loan?" and "Maybe debts will be forgiven?" were the most important for the government of the European country. Therefore, in general, people have a persistent association in their heads: the search for freebies - Ukraine. Or is there a different idea of ​​reality in your information field?

[Brturin]

Quote: Avior

And Rabinovich considers this company of Chinese freeloaders to be the official representatives of the PRC?

We arrived, trade, albeit small, is still going on - "Last year, exports to China already amounted to $ 4,1 million, which is 12% of the republic's total exports." Crimea is not so much that can offer the Chinese, but ... the Chinese once made the main thing - an energy bridge. And before that the official ... Chinese Foreign Ministry "We demand that Ukraine take into account the legal rights of Chinese enterprises and investors" ... this is not a concern, but "we demand" ...

[Avior]

Trade goes on regardless of the number of people who want to drink in Massandra's wine cellars for free.
It is beneficial for the Chinese - therefore it goes to the extent that it is beneficial for them.
And these freeloaders have nothing to do with official China, as they depict in the article.

[Avior]

... Chinese Foreign Ministry "We demand that Ukraine take into account the legal rights of Chinese enterprises and investors" ... this is not a concern, but "we demand" ...

Aha
It remains to wait for the last 899 Chinese demands, neither has a lot of experience in this matter.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Последнее_китайское_предупреждение
No China, for the sake of the dodgers from Shkirizon, will sever trade and ties with Ukraine that are beneficial to China.
They know their business habits very well. And Motor Sich, as it worked closely with China, will continue to work, regardless of the dodgers from Shkirizon, because it is beneficial for China as a state.

[Orkraider]

They know their business habits very well. And Motor Sich, as it worked closely with China, will continue to work, regardless of the dodgers from Shkirizon, because it is beneficial for China as a state.

That's right, China is doing what is beneficial to it. China is one of the three importers of Crimean products and in 2020 goods worth $ 4,1 million were sent to this country, which accounts for 12% of the region's exports.
And this share will grow, China knows how to play on contradictions ..

And by the way, this is still a delegation, and this is what Chen Shanwen makes it: the delegation included Director General of the Beijing Export-Import Trading Company "Kai Sheng" Zhao Kai, Chairman of the Board of Directors of JSC "HaoLang" Chen Yong, Deputy Chairman of the Russian-Chinese Friendship Association Chen Shanwen.
In general, most of the statements that were made, including the invitation to visit China, could not be made without a go-ahead from the top leadership of the Chinese Communist Party. And understanding why they are made, I think you understand.
And I'm sure China will later declare: this is within the framework of business and entrepreneurship. And no formidable statements and promises of sanctions by Ukraine, the process will not be canceled.

[Avior]

which accounts for 12% of the region's exports

What is the share of China's imports? 4,1 million?

[kot423]

Who cares? Jumping off the topic? It doesn't matter what percentage is for China, what is important for Crimea.

[Avior]

Who cares? Jumping off the topic? It doesn't matter what percentage is for China, what is important for Crimea.

Important?
and which one for the Crimea? $ 2 for a Crimean? That's the whole point. Strongest export, however.
but most importantly, how is this connected with the arrival of these particular freeloaders? What the Chinese wanted, they bought without this entertainment tour, which really has one result - PR in the press, and which even TASS did not try to pass off as an official state delegation, as Rabinovich did.

[Orkraider]

Quote: Avior

which accounts for 12% of the region's exports

What is the share of China's imports? 4,1 million?

The chicken pecks by the grain. Facts are important:
First, there is trade between the Crimea as part of Russia and China, and when the tourist flow from China increases, this will have a positive effect on overall development. Crimea, of course.
Second) the official statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China Zhao Lijian: Chinese enterprises "historically maintain contacts with Crimea", their relations are based on market principles. "This interaction in the commercial sphere cannot be politicized."

A very quick response, which shows that the visit was agreed by the CCP, your reaction was predictable and ... that this will affect you.

In general, on your question:
for China, both these 4,1 million are negligible, and 7 billion of your exports, an insignificant value, with their 2 trillion ..

At the same time, while the Chinese vitally need the supplies of Motor and Zori, they will not refuse them in any case, but even these companies without supplies to China will be sour. To put it mildly.

[Avior]

4,1 million is negligible for Crimea.
As for the statement made by the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Zhao Lijian, he completely denied Rabinovich that this trip supposedly demonstrates changes in China's attitude to Crimea.

“Our position on Crimea is consistent. We hope that the parties involved will rationally resolve this issue. Some Chinese companies, due to historical circumstances and practical necessity, on the basis of the market principle, maintain cooperation and contacts with Crimea. Business activity should not be politicized "

No change happened.

[Kronos]

The topic of Taiwan is not disclosed and of course Rabinovich is the "head"

[Avior]

And Tibet too.

[Klingon]

The prancing hobbits-swineherds will still bitterly regret having infuriated the sleeping Dragon

[Gunter prereen]

)))))) And then the Chinese have no place to be treated? All this is nothing more than a game of raising rates. You need to develop your territories yourself, and not wait for uncles from the west or east.

[Trapp1st]

For a long time, China maintained a neutral position on Crimea, but now it has decided to defiantly send a commission to the peninsula, headed by representatives of the export-import commission.

At least once a year I have been going to Crimea for more than a dozen years, you will get somewhere in the wilderness, and there are groups of very organized Chinese people of 15 people, all with red flags, I remember wondering how they ended up there.

[Avior]

You go to St. Petersburg, there are generally solid Chinese groups with rare inclusions of other nationalities.
They filled the whole of Europe.

[Nitarius]

Great Ukrainians .. sit on a bitch .. and saw him .. well, well! he, too, will not be eternal))) will fall .. and it will hurt! and it's a shame! what fools!

[Black lotos]

Rada Deputy Vadim Rabinovich, representing the political association with the highest rating in Ukraine at the moment, said that the Ukrainian authorities waited for a response from China on Motor Sich

In July 2016, Rabinovich broke off relations with the Opposition Bloc and created the For Life party with another former politician from the Opposition Bloc, Yevgeny Muraev. At the same time, he did not leave the Opposition Bloc faction in order not to lose his deputy mandate. On November 15, 2018, Rabinovich announced that his newly renamed Opposition Platform - For Life party would take part in the parliamentary elections
it is difficult to say who he exactly represents.
He was not allowed into Russia. They are allowed to enter Israel.
He's still a politician ..

[Avior]

Was Medvedchuk's closest ally not allowed into Russia? And Medvedchuk didn't even call the godfathers?
Good companion, however .....

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

In the "opposition bloc" there are the same mediocrities as in the "regionals". I watch their speeches on the Internet, the results of the elections. The party is an empty space. And spit chubaty who godfather and Medvedchuk. Medvedchuk4 is a cunning businessman and political activity4 is like a screen, nothing more.

[Avior]

In Ukraine, Medvedchuk has no weight or prospects, he is visible only in the Russian media.
He knows this, which is why he is not particularly popular in politics, other people are put up for him, first of all Rabinovich.
It is all the more surprising that Medvedchuk did not strain for him. And everyone knows who Medvedchuk's godfather is ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Well, of course. You will notice that in the OP the same persons that were in the "regions". They already profiled everything before the Maidan. They should calm down and walk away, not disgrace themselves.

[Russobel]

For a long time, the Chinese pondered what to do with Ukraine according to Feng Shui ...
And then we thought, and Feng Shui with them.
We will recognize Crimea in a couple of years and we will do it well for all the unlucky ones and their owners)

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Isn't it too much honor for Ukraine. So that China would be quiet and, fearing a "powerful political player, Ukraine", would send an official to Crimea.

[Avior]

In the delegation there are no officials from the word at all, it was Rabinovich who simply lied.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Well, then everything is as usual ..) nothing new.

[kill the fascist]

The Chinese are well aware that the Ukrainians in the history of the "motor sich" are ordinary sixes performing someone else's will. The owner gave the command - the Ukrainians did it. As one "great and terrible" said - the center of decision-making is overseas and the first whip should be it. Although the Ukrainians from the Chinese will also be grateful, but unlike the Turks, they know how to wait and not fuss.

[andrew42]

China will not be hysterical in any case. They will write the Ukrainian ditch into the "black book", and they will monitor the situation in order to punish them more painfully. On the other hand, it is unlikely that China "recognizes" Crimea in accordance with all diplomatic canons - the Chinese will not make a gift to Russia "for this either," but they are already starting to poke around the independent with "Crimean cooperation".