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"You can completely squeeze out the airlines of Russia": in Ukraine, the state of the VASO plant was assessed by publications in social networks

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Ukraine is able to oust the Russian aircraft industry in the world market, taking advantage of the allegedly critical state of this industry in the Russian Federation.


Salary below the minimum wage


This conclusion is reached by an observer from "Nezalezhnaya", whose material was published by the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express:

The workers in these [aircraft] factories survive on unemployed income. Ukraine should take advantage of this for a long time.


At the same time, such a generalized conclusion is made on the basis of two "photographic facts" of unclear origin, concerning the VASO plant, located in Voronezh. It is on its site that the production of the Il-112V transport aircraft is launched, designed to replace a number of outdated "An" aircraft of Soviet origin.

In one example, a columnist points to extremely low wages at a factory. So, in the receipt and explanatory note of one of the milling workers of the plant for February of this year, there is a wage of 3 rubles, caused, according to the employee, by "reduced to a minimum norms."

This is four times less than the minimum wage in Ukraine, which is now 6000 hryvnia

- points out the author, demonstrating in another "photographic fact" the temperature of 11 degrees Celsius in one of the workshops of the enterprise.

The indicated materials were taken by a Ukrainian observer from the VKontakte group “Overheard on VASO”, which, as it is declared, is an unofficial platform for the company's employees. It is possible that individual statements of real employees are really heard on this resource. At least a number of regional publications refer to him, including RIA Voronezh. If you read the reviews of employees, then recently the situation at VASO looks unacceptable, which is caused by the lack of production and downtime. How close these statements are to reality is a question.



"Chance for Ukraine"


As the Ukrainian observer writes, “the workers felt quite well” when the plant was assembling the An-148. However, after the breakdown of cooperation between the countries, the situation changed dramatically:

Since that time, the enterprise from an aircraft building actually turned into a manufacturer of components and was mired in multimillion-dollar losses.

- the author assesses the state of the VASO plant based on publications in social networks.

Against the background of the "picture" presented by him on VASO, a general conclusion is made for the entire Russian aircraft industry:

Consequently, it is precisely for Ukrainian enterprises that there is an opportunity not only to survive, but to completely oust the Russian airlines from certain market segments forever.

- the author writes, believing that the niche of the Antonov State Enterprise, which has "all the necessary competencies and ready-made projects", can become a small and medium transport aviation.

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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 15 March 2021 04: 45
    +25
    A fantast of a burnt circus, oh sorry - a Ukrainian analyst. laughing
    1. Boris Nevzorov
      Boris Nevzorov 15 March 2021 04: 50
      +33
      Ukraine wasted all the great legacy of the times of the USSR.
      Peremoga will become the ultimate zeal when Russia pushes Ukraine out of the trade and economic markets.
      It is necessary to fight not with the external manifestation of the disease, but with the cause that causes it, that is, with the Ukrainian state itself and the ideology of Ukrainians.
      Ukraine reproduces Bandera, nationalists and Russophobia, which means that it should be abolished, like ancient Carthage.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 15 March 2021 04: 57
        -24%
        After watching the video and the words about joining the fuselage with ... the impression was deposited that 1913 had not yet passed. Some workers with a hand tool making loud sounds, but no headphones; some kind of scaffolding; a gray hangar-type building with no visible factory gadgets ... Judging by the age of the workers, not everyone is satisfied with the prospects of such hired labor.
        Of course, you can teach a hare to smoke, but then how to call this "squalor":

        1. Boris Nevzorov
          Boris Nevzorov 15 March 2021 05: 16
          +17
          There is nothing surprising, because this is a staged video.
          Ukrainian, coordinator of the civil platform "Uspishna Kraina" Pavel Sebastianovich.
          almost burst into tears from the technical superiority of the Russians, for Russia is implementing unique projects in the Crimea, which Ukraine cannot even dream of due to its backwardness.

          "In this whole story, I am depressed by the economic lag of Ukraine. We are still waiting for Mordor to fall apart. And we are not doing anything for our development," sobbed the Ukrainian Sebastianovich
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 15 March 2021 12: 52
            -31%
            Quote: Boris Nevzorov
            There is nothing surprising, because this is a staged video.

            TV channel "Zvezda" made a staged video ?! wassat
            Quote: Boris Nevzorov
            because Russia is implementing unique projects in Crimea, which Ukraine cannot even dream of due to its backwardness.
            Which ones?! What was it implemented there, besides the bridge?
            1. Kart
              Kart 15 March 2021 12: 57
              +13
              Well, at least you admit the existence of the bridge, it's already good.
              And it is not necessary to know more than Svidomo.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 15 March 2021 15: 16
                +13
                What are you guys all evil! And you don't let me dream. After all, it is so wonderful to dream of the sublime, the pleasant: of world leadership in aviation, space flights, the imminent disintegration of Russia ... In the country of the chief dreamer about New Vasyuki, it cannot be that! lol
            2. Voenmeh
              Voenmeh 15 March 2021 17: 38
              0
              That the bridge was inflated
            3. Serg koma
              Serg koma 15 March 2021 18: 24
              0
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              What was it implemented there, besides the bridge?

              Reading news is not destiny?
            4. Warrior-80
              Warrior-80 15 March 2021 21: 08
              +5
              What are you kidding, the road infrastructure has been almost completely repaired, the shipyard's elevation lines are capable of building class 1 ships, helicopter carriers will be built in the Crimea, new modern thermal power plants will be built, the issue of heating in the Crimea has been completely resolved, the issue of water is being actively resolved, this year a new reservoir is opening , millions of tourists visit the Crimea every year, which fills local budgets and gives jobs, this is the only way to look at it, and even winemaking is actively developing
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 16 March 2021 07: 52
                -6
                Quote: Warrior-80
                What are you kidding me

                I am from St. Petersburg, and so a guy from the Crimea worked with me. As soon as I got my passport, I immediately left, because the salaries are penny there, it's good only for the military. Due to the closure of the canal, the northern Crimea is covered in terms of agriculture, so there is a pipe with water - because underground reserves of fresh water are being depleted. With shipbuilding only on paper, everything is beautiful, they did not build a single ship themselves - and in general, not so long ago people went on strike https://kerch.fm/2020/05/29/na-zavode-zaliv-v-kerchi-ljudi-gotovjatsja -k-zabastovke.html

                However, cotton brains erase all critical information themselves instantly hi
        2. bayard
          bayard 15 March 2021 07: 53
          +31
          Quote: ROSS 42
          After watching the video and the words about joining the fuselage with ... the impression was deposited that 1913 had not yet passed. Some workers with a hand tool making loud noises but no headphones

          How can you compare the essentially one-piece assembly of two Il-96-400s, unhurried (because there are still no other orders and it is necessary to somehow pull this one - for the government squadron), with the in-line SKD assembly of serial aircraft? In addition to the government squadron, and perhaps even the Ministry of Defense, the Il-96-400 is no longer needed by anyone, and the Il-112 is overweight and has engine problems. So the problems at the Voronezh aircraft plant are serious, but I don't think they are as grotesque as the Ukrainian propaganda portrays.
          This is more likely the result of incompetent management of the industry as a whole, inability to correctly plan the workload of enterprises, to build them into cooperative chains, since it is unable to produce its own products or there is no demand. Ulyanovsk won - until now, the serial production of the Il-76MD90A cannot be established. So why not connect Voronezh for industrial cooperation? A whole range of components, and the same wings, he could easily assemble and deliver to Ulyanovsk in finished form ... a number of other components ... So you see, there would now be fresh aircraft in the VTA.
          And Voronezh needs a good leader, normal orders and normal financing. This plant used to assemble the Tu-144! IL-96 ... And if the workers have been brought to such poverty (if at least in part this is true), then how can we talk about the revival of the aircraft industry?

          But the Sumerians in this market are unlikely to break off - they cannot establish production without cooperation with Russian enterprises.
          ... And we, with the loss of Ukraine, will also have to "substitute for import" for a long time.
          It was necessary to resolve this issue in 2014, and not to breed polites with enemies and "partners" ... They made so much haemorrhoids for themselves by lack of will and conciliation with the enemy ... they introduced so many industries into a stupor ... made such losses for themselves ...
          After all, the losses from weakness and cowardice have already stepped over a trillion in dollars ...
          And instead of becoming stronger, richer and more stable in this competitive world ... Russia has been living for seven years (!) With a hedgehog in its ass (the expression of the involved political strategists) in the form of Bandera Ukraine. And he consoles himself only by the fact that Bandera's hedgehog also has a hedgehog in the ass - in the face of the LPNR. But how good it is for the enemy - having made a coup in Ukraine for 5 billion dollars. , he has already made 5 or even 10 times more money on it, caused Russia a trillion in damage, stopped the processes of Eurasian integration, literally cut down entire sectors of the Russian economy, stopped many defense programs for many years, made him spend titanic funds on "import substitution" and from the fraternal republic he created a red and black monster - the enemy of Russia.
          Isn't the price of the Kremlin's shown weakness, timidity and indecision too high?
          Really, to this day, life has not taught these leaders anything?
          In 2014, after the Bandera-fascist coup, people in Ukraine were waiting for help from Russia ... For their government with one part betrayed its people, and the other was overthrown, suppressed and expelled ... After all, Yanukovych asked for help. ..
          I asked.
          Legitimate president after the fascist coup!
          But the Kremlin preferred to recognize the power of the fascist putschists and congratulate them on the "election" of their fascist president!
          Thus, legitimizing the bloody coup and clownery with "elections".
          And thus earning himself a chronic crap with sanctions, stagnation of the economy, a drop in the standard of living of the population (3 times! Compared to 2013), an economic recession, the disruption of ALL (!) Integration processes - from the EAEU to the BRICS ... and the discreditation of oneself as a Great Power - failing to put things in order on their historical, natural land ... without protecting YOURS - RUSSIAN People ... giving them over to the mockery and mockery of the ENEMY.

          And until the "Ukrainian question" is resolved. And finally decided!
          Not "will dissolve by itself", not "by yourself" ...
          The Kremlin should not dream of any respect for itself in the World.
          For the whole world there have never been any "Ukrainians" or "Belarusians"!
          All over the world know only RUSSIANS ... and now - "wrong ... abnormal Russians", from which (wrong) the whole World has heartburn.
          Russia itself must solve its own problems!
          And what is happening in Little Russia, Novorossiya and Slobozhanshchina, these are OUR (!!!) RUSSIAN problems! And it's up to us to solve them.
          The enemy can only create them for us.
          And the natural Russian Lands and Russian People were captured by the ENEMY.
          1. Souchastnik
            Souchastnik 15 March 2021 10: 14
            +9
            And Voronezh needs a good leader

            Good leaders are needed everywhere. But the selection for these positions, in my personal opinion, is carried out according to the principle of loyalty to the authorities, and not according to professional qualities.
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 15 March 2021 13: 04
              +7
              Quote: Souchastnik
              And Voronezh needs a good leader

              Good leaders are needed everywhere. But the selection for these positions, in my personal opinion, is carried out according to the principle of loyalty to the authorities, and not according to professional qualities.

              Rather, according to the principle of whose son / daughter he is, or according to his affiliation / subordination to a particular group.
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          3. ramzay21
            ramzay21 15 March 2021 21: 34
            +2
            Better not say!
          4. bar
            bar 16 March 2021 10: 45
            +1
            Quote: bayard
            After all, Yanukovych asked for help ...
            I asked.

            Here's about it where to read. They poured money 3 yards to help him, then they staged a rescue operation for his beloved. And about military assistance, as a legitimate president, he did not even stutter because of his own stupidity. Gayrope promised to help him. Or are they hiding something from us? recourse
            1. bayard
              bayard 16 March 2021 12: 28
              +3
              Quote: bar
              Or are they hiding something from us?

              No, you simply did not track the events of that period, and it seems that you were not particularly interested in them.
              Quote: bar
              Here's about it where to read.

              Yes, take the periodicals of that period, today it is as easy as shelling pears when asked in a search engine.
              On any resource, even on VO, even on the same "Politicus", which was created to cover those events. The seeker will find.
              Yanukovych at least twice OFFICIALLY and PUBLICly appealed to the Russian Federation and Putin for assistance, including military assistance.
              Quote: bar
              3 yards of money was paid to help him,

              In fact, at the end of 2013, the Russian Federation allocated a loan of 15 billion dollars to Ukraine. with the transfer of 3 billion per quarter, with the last tranche at the beginning of the 4th quarter of 2014. Moreover, under the guarantee that Azarov will be the prime minister. But Ukraine managed to receive only the 1st tranche.
              And at the same time with this loan, Russia was going to invest in Ukraine and place orders at its enterprises for up to $ 50 billion. , including Ukrainian enterprises in cooperation chains.
              And Ukraine lost all this as a result of the coup.
              Fascist.
              In the interests and for the money of the United States, Britain and the European Union.
              Quote: bar
              then the rescue operation of his beloved was arranged

              He was really hunted. From Kiev, he barely managed to take his feet by helicopter to Kharkov, where deputies of all levels from all over Ukraine were gathered ... But at dawn, when the deputies had just gathered in the hall, the building was surrounded by at least two thousand armed Maidan fighters, who were hastily transferred from Kiev to Kharkov at night.
              Street skirmishes and battles began with the Kharkov "Oplot". It was at that congress that a decision was to be made to appeal to Russia for help, but when they (the deputies) were surrounded in the building and threatened to be burned, many freaked out ... Yanukovych wrote down an appeal to the people in Kharkov and flew by helicopter to Donetsk, deciding to gather supporters there, but during the flight, the air defense officer on duty of Ukraine got in touch and said that the helicopter would certainly be shot down if it continued flying towards the Russian border (and Donetsk was just not far from the border). Not wanting to risk people, Yanukovych got into a motorcade and tried to break into Donetsk, but the roads were already blocked by armed bands of mercenaries (machine guns, machine guns). They moved in several corteges (the main one and several false ones) and with reconnaissance in ordinary cars ... after the failure they tried to break through to the Crimea, but reconnaissance showed that all the main routes were blocked, they tried to drive along country roads, but they were surrounded from all sides. Yanukovych should have been killed. And then, when they were already surrounded, at night, the chief of his security got in touch with his Russian colleagues and asked for help.
              They reported to Putin, and he ordered the allocation of helicopters from the Black Sea Fleet for emergency evacuation ... Yes, he himself talked about this in one (and even several) interviews. They were taken to Sevastopol.
              The putschists found out about this immediately and sent to Crimea (Sevastopol) the new head of the SBU, Nalyvaichenko, appointed by the Nazis, and the pepper of Armenian nationality who still commands their Interior Ministry. To arrest Yanukovych. But they did not succeed, and on the same night Yanukovych was transported to Rostov by a separate plane.
              So there was nothing shameful in this whole story, the guards performed their duties in an extremely professional manner, at a critical moment Russia provided assistance.
              Yes - not a hero. But he did not stir up panic either.
              Yes, he did not give an order for the violent dispersal of the Maidan and would allow the street tent to turn into a bloody circus.
              But he was really afraid to start a civil war.
              He did not hide it.
              Why didn't he return to Donetsk after the rescue, when the uprising arose there?
              ... There were rumors, albeit with a great delay, that in 2014 he suffered a heart attack.
              I quite admit this.
              In any case, in Donetsk, slogans "Vitya, come back to work" were hung on the barricades for a couple of days, and then they suddenly turned off ... Perhaps then a heart attack occurred. Or perhaps Akhmetov simply did not let him go there, who was in charge of the “Donetsk uprising” at first in order to save his assets.
              But it doesn't matter anymore. The most important thing is that the Russian Federation refused to fulfill the request of the Russian people of Ukraine and its president for assistance and military support.
              All Ukrainian security officials were waiting for the arrival of Russia, as getting rid of the chaos and chaos from the impostors. The army was ready to raise the Russian banners. The Ministry of Internal Affairs was overwhelmingly pro-Russian, and the best part of the SBU was also waiting.
              But Russia did not appear for Victory.
              But it would have been a triumph much more significant than the return of Crimea.
              Remember what jubilation was in the Crimea?
              So it would be all over ... well, almost all over Ukraine.
              Because Russian people live there.
              Because 75 - 80% of the population speaks and thinks in Russian.
              Because in the opinion poll about the prospects of joining NATO, 75 - 80% showed "categorically against".
              But the Kremlin preferred the unprecedented geopolitical Victory ... a hedgehog in its ass, in the form of a Bandera-fascist Ukraine (or, as they joke in Nenka itself, "Krajina U").
              Quote: bar
              Gayrope promised to help him.

              Europe gave him some "guarantees", and even signed a certain treaty ... but not even a day had passed since this "treaty" was violated and his estate in Kiev was taken by storm.
              They did not find the golden toilet bowl ... but they did find the golden loaf that Kolomoisky had given him before.
              hi bully
              1. bar
                bar 16 March 2021 19: 23
                -1
                I followed these events. Naturally, there were no other sources besides the Russian media. But I've never met about this:
                Quote: bayard
                Yanukovych at least twice OFFICIALLY and PUBLICly appealed to the Russian Federation and Putin for assistance, including military .
                1. bayard
                  bayard 17 March 2021 07: 12
                  0
                  He did this, including in writing (both times). He spoke about this during his appeal from Rostov, review it. Many resources have written and reported about this. It was this appeal that the Duma relied on when issuing permission to Putin to use the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine. This permission was revoked only a few months later at the request (!!!) of Putin.
                  I just didn't have enough will.
                  They just got used to negotiating with the Ukrainian "elites" over the years, and they betrayed them. And their people and national interests, violating all the public and private agreements.
                  And the people were waiting for Russia.
                  The army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs were waiting for Russia.
                  But the Kremlin was guided by some ... its own considerations ...
                  There were also objective reasons:
                  - the overwhelming majority of the Armed Forces and all (!) heavy weapons in Russia were deployed beyond the Urals, so it would be possible to react quickly only with the help of the Airborne Forces, and this is still light forces. And the transfer of troops, equipment, parks, ammunition depots, etc. to the European part of the country still had to be done.
                  - the real rearmament of the Army was just beginning and if the conflict slipped into a conflict with NATO, Russia would be absolutely unprepared,
                  - the population of Russia was not ready for such a scenario either (although after just a couple of months there were already battles).
                  - all the early warning systems were not deployed, and the giant gaps in the radar field allowed the enemy to deliver a surprise attack by sea-based ICBMs on our territory. And we would know about this strike only when nuclear warheads began to burst over our cities.
                  - immediately after the start of Russia's intervention, oil and gas pipelines to Europe would have been blown up, and Russia would have lost the European market for two reasons at once (political and purely technical).
                  But all these problems became critically complex for one simple reason - Russia did not deal with the "Ukrainian question" at all, did not have any really pro-Russian political forces and social movements in this country. And when trouble came, there was simply no one to rely on.
                  There were people. Russian people who began to organize themselves, singling out leaders, leaders and commanders from their midst ... but this took time.
                  And of course these new leaders were not recognized by anyone.
                  Therefore, today - after so many years and looking at the consequences of those events (and Russia's inaction), the inexorable conclusion follows that in the spring of 2014 a STRATEGIC MISTAKE was committed.
                  It's just that the Kremlin towers did not even suspect HOW easy it could be for Ukraine to return to its native harbor. Even as a separate federal district.
                  But even if formally Ukraine then retained its statehood, then it would be a completely different country, as part of the Union Eurasian State. That would immensely strengthen both Russia and the Union State, which was about to take place.
                  And today there would be no question of any sanctions of the current scale.
                  For there would be no problem.
                  But the construction of the mighty Navy, the An-124 Ruslan, Be-200 aircraft, the entire line of new Anov, helicopters without restrictions on the availability of engines would be in full swing. The Union State (or simply Russia) would become an agricultural superpower, after adding the 1st and 3rd places in the world in grain exports, Russia would become a monopoly on this market, on the market of vegetable oil, poultry farming, etc., etc., etc. ...
                  The Sarmat ICBM would probably have already been tested and put into service (Yuzhmash will help us).
                  There would be no delays in the construction of a series of new nuclear icebreakers and in nuclear power in general (Ukrainian turbines about which Martsenkevich recalled with such nostalgia).

                  Hence the CONCLUSION - the shown WEAKNESS IS ALWAYS PUNISHED.
                  Putin and the Kremlin as a whole (in all the diversity of their towers) then showed WEAKNESS and indecision.
                  And the consequences that followed are fully deserved.
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 15 March 2021 10: 42
          +1
          all the achievements in the export of the Chinese are the cheap manual labor of the former peasants. out-of-pocket fishing.

          this is in excess of the profits of world multinational corporations.
        4. businessv
          businessv 15 March 2021 11: 02
          +6
          Quote: ROSS 42
          After watching the video and the words about joining the fuselage with ... I got the impression that 1913 has not yet passed.

          Do you mean that Boeing is assembled in 4 minutes, judging by the video, and we are in a year? lol Do not be discouraged, everything will be fine with us! smile
        5. Uran53
          Uran53 15 March 2021 16: 38
          +1
          The video provided by you shows the SKD assembly of the fuselage and wing sections, but how are the sections themselves assembled? The same riveting, as it is more reliable than welding. Yes, and the wing is docked to the fuselage with a wrench, with such a hefty reinforcement. Non-technological like that!
      2. ImPerts
        ImPerts 15 March 2021 06: 17
        0
        Why cut out? They will do everything themselves.
      3. cmax
        cmax 15 March 2021 13: 53
        +3
        Quote: Boris Nevzorov
        Ukraine wasted all the great legacy of the times of the USSR.
        Peremoga will become the ultimate zeal when Russia pushes Ukraine out of the trade and economic markets.
        It is necessary to fight not with the external manifestation of the disease, but with the cause that causes it, that is, with the Ukrainian state itself and the ideology of Ukrainians.
        Ukraine reproduces Bandera, nationalists and Russophobia, which means that it should be abolished, like ancient Carthage.

        Well, I lost it, but how will this help the Voronezh aircraft plant?
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 16 March 2021 13: 00
        +1
        Quote: Boris Nevzorov
        Peremoga will become the ultimate zeal when Russia pushes Ukraine out of the trade and economic markets.

        Do not blaspheme. You will not find the Russian Federation in your aircraft market with flashlights.
    2. Profiler
      Profiler 15 March 2021 05: 53
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      A fantast of a burnt circus, oh sorry - a Ukrainian analyst.

      Not a big top was on fire, but obviously a medical institution of a known type.
      Unfortunately, I am aware of what an emergency in such a place means in practice, I had to deal with the process and depressing consequences.
      And if under certain conditions such consequences under normal conditions can somehow be stopped, then for Ukraine they are a sentence.
    3. Cananecat
      Cananecat 15 March 2021 06: 33
      -24%
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      A fantast of a burnt circus, oh sorry - a Ukrainian analyst.

      And the fact that the problem described by this science fiction writer is characteristic of half of Russian enterprises is not a fantasy, but a tragicomedy.
      If desired, 404s could quite successfully compete with us.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 15 March 2021 06: 35
        0
        Quote: Canecat
        characteristic of half of Russian enterprises is not a fantasy, but a tragicomedy.

        Half of the airlines?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 15 March 2021 08: 09
          +4
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Half of the airlines?

          He probably saw two. At one enterprise, everything is fine, and information about the state of the other was gleaned from the words of a Ukrainian observer. So he got it half and half.
        2. Cananecat
          Cananecat 15 March 2021 14: 12
          -2
          Where did you see the air prefix?
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 15 March 2021 09: 35
        +3
        Quote: Canecat
        If desired, 404s could quite successfully compete with us.

        Post from Somalia? request
        1. Cananecat
          Cananecat 15 March 2021 14: 14
          +1
          Have you been to Russian factories for a long time? I advise you to arrange a promenade on the periphery, where the salary is higher than 25, except in the defense industry.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 15 March 2021 14: 43
            -2
            Quote: Canecat
            Have you been to Russian factories for a long time? I advise you to arrange a promenade on the periphery, where the salary is higher than 25, except in the defense industry.

            Local jingoistic patriots see Russian factories only on the site "doneunas"
        2. 210ox
          210ox 15 March 2021 20: 26
          +1
          Don't insult Somalia ...
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 15 March 2021 09: 49
        +5
        Quote: Canecat
        If desired, 404s are quite successful РјРѕРіР »Ryo would compete with us.

        This "would" very much interferes. They have neither desire nor opportunity. Only unrealizable "mriyi" and loud statements
      4. Kart
        Kart 15 March 2021 12: 58
        +7
        Quote: Canecat
        characteristic of half of Russian enterprises is not a fantasy, but a tragicomedy.

        A salary of 3000 (three thousand) rubles for half of the enterprises in Russia?
        This is only in the country imagined by the fighters against the regime.
        1. Cananecat
          Cananecat 15 March 2021 15: 40
          -1
          Look not at the numbers, but at the message.
        2. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 15 March 2021 17: 06
          +3
          I read this group "Overheard on VASO". Something I have big doubts about the veracity of what was written there. For years to receive a salary of 3-5 thousand rubles (in the "fat" years they write that there were 7) living in the city and not starving to death is impossible.
          Although I admit that there may be such a salary. With piecework pay. And working hours: Call if you need me. Preferably in advance. People need some kind of official place of work. It doesn't matter which one. So they are listed there, we can say formally.
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    4. astepanov
      astepanov 15 March 2021 10: 27
      +16
      All this resembles a fight between beggars on the porch: That Russia, that Ukraine are almost equally zeros on the map of the world aviation industry. Yes, Russia can supply some of its combat aircraft to the market, but it practically does not produce civilian aircraft. The UAC debt is 530 billion rubles, Serdyukov works in his traditional style - to sell everything that is possible, to enlarge the rest. -po-serdjukovu.html
      So Ukraine will not have to make the slightest effort, having such leaders, and no enemies are needed. How many domestic cars can you see at civil airports, eh? Usually none. How many times has aircraft production dropped? Dozens of times. The same can be said about training: out of 54 specialties in MAI, 8 remained.
      Now the macaw-patriots-minuses will come running, they will put the minuses, but in essence they will not be able to say anything.
      1. cmax
        cmax 15 March 2021 14: 23
        +3
        Quote: astepanov
        All this resembles a fight between beggars on the porch: That Russia, that Ukraine are almost equally zeros on the map of the world aviation industry. Yes, Russia can supply some of its combat aircraft to the market, but it practically does not produce civilian aircraft. The UAC debt is 530 billion rubles, Serdyukov works in his traditional style - to sell everything that is possible, to enlarge the rest. -po-serdjukovu.html
        So Ukraine will not have to make the slightest effort, having such leaders, and no enemies are needed. How many domestic cars can you see at civil airports, eh? Usually none. How many times has aircraft production dropped? Dozens of times. The same can be said about training: out of 54 specialties in MAI, 8 remained.
        Now the macaw-patriots-minuses will come running, they will put the minuses, but in essence they will not be able to say anything.

        You are right, some statistics:
        Russia, in 2018 the production of passenger and transport aircraft at domestic aircraft factories amounted to 38 units.
        -----
        2018 Boeing produced 806 passenger aircraft, 800 Airbus;

        2017 Boeing 763, Airbus - 718 units

        The total Bing + Airbus order book at the end of 2018 amounted to 7500 units.

        In 2016, Boeing produced and delivered 748 aircraft to consumers.
        Airbus 577 aircraft
        Total for 2016 1325 aircraft;

        2015 - Boeing - 762 aircraft, Airbus - 670 aircraft = 1430 total;

        2014 - Boeing 723 aircraft, Airbus - 629 aircraft = 1352 total;

        2013 - Boeing - 648, Airbus - 626 = Total 1274 units.

        Compare the incomparable. I hope that the civil aircraft industry in Russia can still rise.
        1. Nick Casey
          Nick Casey 16 March 2021 10: 54
          -1
          Don't you know that it was Boeing and Airbus who had a hand and dollars to kill our aircraft industry? They also convinced the corrupt government that it is better to buy from them than to build their own planes. Again teaching our newly minted economists that the market regulates itself, they always regulate and regulate it manually by pressure, sanctions, bribery, etc.
    5. Cergey
      Cergey 15 March 2021 13: 31
      -10%
      In general, it seems to be true, salaries were always low on the defensive, therefore it is not surprising
    6. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 16 March 2021 21: 40
      +1
      As long as we have a chairman like Serdyukov on the board of PJSC UAC, there is nothing to be surprised at. If he is not stopped, then the aviation industry in Russia will be completely destroyed.
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 15 March 2021 04: 47
    +7
    Non-brothers dream of competing with Russia in the aircraft industry, it's funny just laughing
    1. Boris Nevzorov
      Boris Nevzorov 15 March 2021 04: 59
      +11
      Those born to crawl cannot fly. Horse racing only. laughing
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      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 March 2021 06: 24
        +6
        Quote: Boris Nevzorov
        Those born to crawl cannot fly. Horse racing only.

    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 15 March 2021 05: 02
      -22%
      Quote: Pessimist22
      it's funny just

      And I got scared that someone would have to fly this "hand-assembled" one. belay
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 15 March 2021 05: 07
        -12%
        Greetings to Yuri! I doubt that they have something that will fly.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 15 March 2021 05: 10
          -11%
          Quote: Pessimist22
          I doubt that they have something that will fly.

          Greetings! Exactly! Technologies of the last century and specialists from the same time ...
      2. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 15 March 2021 06: 10
        -5
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: Pessimist22
        it's funny just

        And I got scared that someone would have to fly this "hand-assembled" one. belay

        are you talking about the video where our IL is collected?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 15 March 2021 14: 38
          -8
          Quote: Aerodrome
          are you talking about the video where our IL is collected?

          And what, what are ours?
          I will not sing the glory.
          Help, for God's sake,
          Endure it all ...
          How glad I am, how glad I am that the guarantor is from Leningrad ... This is also glad (together with the author):
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 15 March 2021 18: 04
            -1
            Don't like innovative asphalt paving technology?
            There is a great video about aircraft construction, its curator Serdyukov and about design bureaus and laboratories ...
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    1. Cergey
      Cergey 15 March 2021 13: 41
      -3
      It’s not easier for you and me, not only have we forgiven the debt of 3 lard, but Gazprom is also trading at a loss with the
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 March 2021 04: 58
    +5
    Ukraine is able to oust the Russian aircraft industry in the world market ...
    A pile of conjectures, fantasies, Ukrainian dreams with a desire to somehow pinch Moscow. The height of absolute ignorance of Russian reality and outright lies
    wages in the amount 3 447 rubles ... This is four times less than the minimum wage in Ukraine
    Well, what can you say - frenzied nationalist stupidity and Ragul's view of what is happening.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 15 March 2021 07: 30
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Ragul's view of what is happening.

      This tsyfir is very similar to the salary of the Crimean hard worker in early 2014
    2. Cergey
      Cergey 15 March 2021 13: 43
      -9
      True, I worked as a CNC shnik, but in a military plant, the first month the salary was 1 thousand 700 rubles, then it was raised a little, to 7 thousand ... I worked for a year, bombed at night.
      And, yes, I am responsible for the words
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 15 March 2021 16: 01
        -1
        I was here with a guy 20 years old talking. Like, why didn't you finish your studies in college for a year? He told me that he went to the plant (which, as it seemed to me, on its side) as a student. He mastered the specialty of assembly and learned how to solder, as they had not taught in college in previous years. Not only is there no need to pay for studies, but also scholarships of 18000 rubles. Well, what the hell does he need college for? Then he barely persuaded his son to finish his studies.
        1. IL-18
          IL-18 15 March 2021 16: 04
          0
          By the way, sometimes he himself is drawn to quit his job and go to the factory where he worked before the army. And the work was interesting to me, the men get it fine, without my smut
          1. Cergey
            Cergey 16 March 2021 07: 30
            0
            Uh-huh, what's the problem? One helicopter pilot gave me a lift to my house, and said the same thing, nafig I need to find a job at the plant for 60 thousand ,,,
            I give him an average salary of 25 thousand, and he doesn't lie to me ...
            1. IL-18
              IL-18 18 March 2021 14: 23
              0
              A worker with a high qualification will be well paid, and I went to the army with the third category. And even for such a category, I will have to re-teach me. Although, there is a retraining center for pre-retirees, so the pension was postponed for 5 years lol
              But I know a milling machine operator from our house, he gets 60-70, and the qualification is 6th grade, it seems. Which, in my opinion, is fair.
              1. Cergey
                Cergey 18 March 2021 14: 51
                0
                It's no secret in which city?
                I worked for Oktyabr software, operator of CNC machine tools, and yes, you can see, there are a lot of vacancies, and salaries ... too ...
                1. IL-18
                  IL-18 20 March 2021 00: 11
                  0
                  In Ekaterinburg. If memory serves, it is called the "Training Expert Center". Education from the budget of the region according to the age of pre-retirees. It doesn’t shine for me, I didn’t save the advertisement.
                  1. Cergey
                    Cergey 20 March 2021 17: 34
                    0
                    I have now moved to Eburg, I monitor salaries, most likely either Novator-ZIK or UZGA, but there, they take up to 30 years (
                    We, pre-retirees are not needed there
                    1. IL-18
                      IL-18 20 March 2021 23: 25
                      0
                      I also noticed that there are many young people in factories. Difficulty with medical restrictions. From 1.04. The order of the Ministry of Health N302-n will be canceled. It might get easier.
                      1. Cergey
                        Cergey 21 March 2021 17: 22
                        0
                        Hardly .... but ... God forbid
        2. Avior
          Avior 16 March 2021 08: 34
          +2
          They don't go to college to solder and breathe fumes all their lives.
          It is he who is still young and healthy, he plans to sit on the conveyor belt over the flux all his life
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 20 March 2021 00: 14
            0
            Once I was going to return to the factory after the army, but I had to go to college, because to demobilization is not like a native plant, the country fell. Man proposes and God disposes.
  5. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 15 March 2021 05: 18
    +3
    "It is possible to completely displace the aviation enterprises of Russia": in Ukraine, the state of the VASO plant was assessed

    Nu nu, continue to grow rich with a thought ...
  6. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 15 March 2021 05: 59
    +4
    Another Ukro - analytiG!
    Before that, the same experts said that it was impossible to build the Crimean bridge, that the army was out to be the steepest in Europe, and now our airlines can be brought to their knees at once ...
    Some especially frostbitten ones so want to "peremog" over Russia that they have to invent them in their inflamed minds.
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 March 2021 06: 08
    +2
    If Ukraine has preserved scientific and engineering patents, then everything is given to the talkers who have been looking for enemies for a long time. And in this situation, some leave their homeland, others are left out of work.
    1. Cergey
      Cergey 15 March 2021 13: 44
      -5
      So, in our factories and design bureaus, only pensioners remained ... there are not enough young people
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 15 March 2021 16: 09
        -2
        Come on. I have quite a lot of workers from industrial enterprises on the professional examinations. And the bulk of them are under 40. There are especially many young people among engineers and technicians, which was surprising at first. Engineers who are aged note that there are a lot of smart guys.
  8. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 15 March 2021 06: 08
    +4
    Ukraine is able to oust the Russian aircraft industry in the world market ...

    Ha.
    Even 3 times ha ha ha.
    Firstly, there is no Russian aircraft industry on the world market.
    Secondly, the Ukrainian aircraft industry has not assembled a single large aircraft over the past few years. It does not exist as such.
    What does not exist is going to oust from the market what does not exist either.
    Funny.

    And as for the deplorable state at VASO, I believe that the plant is really out of work. When we made a plant in Novosibirsk on one side in a couple of years, there was also ... there was. But then, at least due to repairs, life glimmered. And what is going on in Voronezh now, I'm even afraid to imagine.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 15 March 2021 06: 25
      -6
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And as for the deplorable state at VASO, I believe that the plant is really out of work.

    2. Lepsik
      Lepsik 15 March 2021 06: 35
      -5
      Sukhoi Superjet 100 ??

      - the deplorable state of VASO, I believe

      Probably I should have moved to Irkutsk
  9. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 15 March 2021 07: 13
    -4
    So, in the receipt and explanatory note of one of the milling workers of the plant for February of this year, a wage in the amount of 3 rubles appears.

    If this milling machine operator is Ivan Dulin, then let him always have such a salary in Russia. AND
    Ukraine should take advantage of this for a long time.
    Let them take it.
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 March 2021 08: 35
    +8
    Wrong thesis.

    1. There is no IL-476 competitor in Ukraine
    2. For Il114 and 112, it is still 10 years to master and master the domestic market. The Ukrainians killed and buried their competitor An140 themselves. But they can start selling.
    3. There is simply no competitor to the An 178 in the Russian Federation
    4. There are no competitors L-410 in Ukraine itself
    5. An2, it seems to me that it will be reborn in the Russian Federation earlier than in Ukraine.
    6. SSZH-100 have already made about 200 and they fly with might and main. Compare this with An148.
    7. МС21, analogue in Ukraine is not foreseen and there has never been any construction qualifications. This was done in the USSR by Yak and Tupolev.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 March 2021 14: 35
      0
      "There is simply no competitor for the An 178 in the Russian Federation." R&D will be on the 276th - in 2023 we promise the first flight.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 March 2021 16: 39
        +1
        I read it, they wanted to unify it with 476 ... on avionics, turbojet engine and fuselage section ...
  11. Glory to Berkut
    Glory to Berkut 15 March 2021 09: 04
    +2
    Consequently, it is precisely for Ukrainian enterprises that there is an opportunity not only to survive, but to completely oust the Russian airlines from certain market segments forever.

    Wait. They became Euro-associated, departed and democratized. I thought that they had conquered the entire European market for 6 years already and were almost ahead of Germany in terms of living standards!
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 15 March 2021 09: 12
      +1
      The business model is valid. There is a market where you are guaranteed to trade .... almost without competition and have a business to repair all this and remotorize. You give up everything, you completely lose sales. And you go where.
  12. iouris
    iouris 15 March 2021 09: 18
    -2
    It may well be informational stuffing. If there is a problem, then it can and should be covered, but not by such stuffing. The advancement of enemy propaganda is evident. There was such a propaganda technique during the First World War, which led to the fall of the regime and the hardest defeat: a liberal journalist, presenting an alleged fact, pathetically asked "What is this: stupidity or betrayal?"
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 March 2021 10: 11
      +7
      Well, VASO is now zh.pa, it's not even hiding. The plant was left without orders and still arrives for a delay in delivery times + refusal of the MO from the contract.

      In 2020, not a single aircraft was delivered. In 2021, the Il-96-400M may be pushed to the first flight or not, the financing taps were turned off last year due to the crisis.

      All he is doing now:
      - IL-112V = this is a manual experimental production of prototypes.
      - IL-96-400M = manual assembly of the prototype, and the money was screwed in 2020 on the topic.
      - kits for IL-114 =, again, while their production is piecemeal, although the% of production at VASO will be large, but what's the point of 1 kit per year or even 1,5?
      - kits for IL-76MD-90A = the only lively and monetary topic. But the volume. They make engine pylons, nacelles and flaps.
      - SSJ100 = everything is very different there. From the latter, VASO should make winglets. But how many planes were built with them 5-6? Due to the failures of the start of production (13-15 years), the share of deliveries to KnAAZ fell to less than 5%.

      These topics should feed a team of 4600 people.
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 16 March 2021 11: 54
        -1
        Their only option for survival is the production of the Il-112V and slightly less Il-96-400M.
        In general, it is not clear why they keep such a staff of 4600 in the absence of orders.
        And even in the group they write that they were forced to write an explanatory note about the publication of the size of the salary. With such a salary, one should not demand explanatory statements, but say thank you for stopping by for an hour.
    2. Cergey
      Cergey 15 March 2021 13: 47
      -3
      Came down to earth, this is life, people really get so much
  13. Engineer
    Engineer 15 March 2021 09: 19
    +2
    I confirm that it is so. The plant does not produce anything, as the already small series of an-148 has ended. We rolled out one 112 in a few years and that weighed half the payload mass. Why pay wages to a plant if it doesn't produce anything? The plant lives only on government subsidies.
    1. iouris
      iouris 15 March 2021 09: 39
      +5
      Are these the first results of the activities of 30-year-old Rogozin?
  14. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 15 March 2021 10: 37
    +6
    Rzhu nimagu))) since 2016, Banderlyand has not released a single new aircraft, how will they displace?))) It's time to rename this magazine to "Difens fiction")))
  15. Basarev
    Basarev 15 March 2021 10: 52
    +7
    You can just laugh, or you can think. Hard workers really get a pittance and are practically defenseless - the manual trade union will not defend their rights. That is, in some moments the Khlaminets are right, and they need to seriously work on correcting them.
  16. Cockroach Zee
    Cockroach Zee 15 March 2021 13: 41
    -1
    Okay. And what else is there from the parallel reality of the cool writing?
  17. minus
    minus 15 March 2021 13: 50
    +4
    For fun, I went to VK. Looked at the accounts of people in the group. There was no suspicion that the dummies did not arise .... Judging by the photographs, the circle of acquaintances. Perhaps it is true, how sad it is .... Perhaps Roman Skomorokhov, as a resident of Voronezh, will be able to tell in detail about what is happening?
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 15 March 2021 16: 06
      +2
      One thing is not clear to me why they work there for such a monstrously low salary.
      1. minus
        minus 15 March 2021 17: 11
        +2
        Well .... By inertia, probably .... The age group is mostly young, there are no young people .... Here, even if there is a forced downtime, lack of orders, then 2/3 of the monthly payment must be paid. That is, the minimum for Voronezh is 7 rubles, after paying personal income tax. Yes, in many places it is. A cousin from Yoshkar-Ola works in Moscow for 419,36. He rents an apartment with her friends. In Moscow for 30000 !!!! I asked why did you need this, replied that I received 30000 in Yoshkar-Ola .... The husband of another sister also goes on business trips to Moscow for 8 .... Since at home above the minimum, the problem is to find a job ... For interest, you can see a similar group of the Beriev plant, it is also not much better there ...
        1. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 15 March 2021 17: 30
          0
          A pensioner walking by inertia is still understandable. But in the group there was an explanatory one with a salary of 3 tr from a young man. I earned so much this weekend with a couple of five-minute part-time jobs. And this is not in Moscow, but one and a half thousand kilometers from it.
          And what do they work for in Moscow? For 30 and 35t.r.? And who did you work at home?
          1. minus
            minus 15 March 2021 17: 47
            +2
            Sister is the administrator of the hall in the store. I didn’t know who I worked at home. Education office work and foreign languages, higher. Part-time jobs are good, but they are not always there. Have you paid taxes?)))) And now they will attack))) In my city I can say that all available vacancies are the minimum wage. Well, we have it higher -17806 minus income. He himself resigned with a scandal in October last year. We paid 10 rubles for 13050 daily shifts as an electrician ..... Also, the application was not signed for several weeks. As a result, absenteeism was dismissed under the article. Right now I'm suing)
            1. Servisinzhener
              Servisinzhener 15 March 2021 17: 58
              +1
              Yes, I pay for a part-time job as a self-employed. In order to avoid. Not condemnation on the forum, but sanctions from the tax.
              Electrician ... replacing wiring, switches, sockets, assembling panels?
              1. minus
                minus 15 March 2021 18: 23
                +2
                Electrician on duty, installation and repair of equipment and electronics. TP 10kV. Plus, there used to be an electric boiler room, but it became expensive to heat with electricity. We installed two long-burning boilers of 400 kW and wanted them to work as stokers for a surcharge of 5000 rubles) There is no plumbing and the plumbing was imputed)))) A day in two hours) Fun in general. Now two people work for them. Day in a day. 1500 per day shift. Alcoholic and retired .... Here are the things)
                1. Servisinzhener
                  Servisinzhener 16 March 2021 09: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Minus
                  Alcoholic and retired
                  It will be difficult to find others for such a place. And if they find it, it won't be for long.
      2. Cergey
        Cergey 16 March 2021 07: 34
        +2
        It's so simple, there is nowhere else, especially the pre-retirement age, who needs us. Only Vova and Dima believe in us
        1. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 16 March 2021 09: 39
          -2
          There is nowhere to make money in Voronezh for a man with hands from the right place?
    2. Volder
      Volder 16 March 2021 23: 07
      -2
      This is a fake milling planner's pay sheet. The date of birth is not indicated on the payroll. What is "Personal time" is not clear. Any work is regulated by technological breaks, but calling it personal time is not correct. In addition, there is a lack of a mandatory allowance - the regional coefficient, which is added to wages for any form of remuneration from actual earnings. And most importantly: the presence of standard hours speaks of hourly wages, with a bonus for any performance indicators. That is, the wording "Piecework salary" is incorrect.
      1. minus
        minus 17 March 2021 15: 50
        0
        Standard hours are not hourly wages; they are the standard time for certain jobs. And at VASO and at many other enterprises, this figure is underestimated. Many employees have repeatedly drawn attention to this! Relatively speaking, it takes 5 working days to manufacture something, and optimizer managers have reduced this time to 1 day! And this work cannot be done in a day !!!!! So they work for a week or more, and the payment is for 8 standard hours! Somewhere there was a complaint that I had to work for a couple of weeks, but at standard hours less than 4 hours came out. Ps By the way, standard hours are very popular among bureaucrats. On the contrary, they increase the standard hours only for their loved ones. Long ago, it was necessary to get a certificate from the BTI. Just pick up and print! But in the documents for payment on the page, standard hours were painted - a request, text input, the formation of a file in xls and doc format, a dozen more incomprehensible operations ... And lastly there was a line - 500 rubles for the time spent on issuing documents! These 500 rubles just for the fact that later in the window to pick up the certificate .... In general, the 5-minute procedure was scheduled for several dozen standard hours!
      2. minus
        minus 17 March 2021 15: 59
        0
        The employer can change the form of the payroll by himself. I wanted to write my date of birth. Not to be confused with namesakes)))) And what could be the regional coefficient in Voronezh? There is no it all over the region!)))
  18. oppozite28
    oppozite28 15 March 2021 13: 55
    +4
    This is what makes the desire to sell the An-148 aircraft yes
  19. av58
    av58 15 March 2021 16: 47
    -1
    If Ukrainian storytellers want to entertain themselves and Zelensky's gang with such fables, then one should only rejoice. Let them invent even more laughing
  20. Yuri T.
    Yuri T. 15 March 2021 19: 22
    +1
    If non-brothers could feed on their dreams ...)
  21. xomaNN
    xomaNN 15 March 2021 19: 36
    0
    I don’t know how the aircraft plant in Voronezh lives. Well, the bent aircraft factories in Kiev and Kharkov - this is a fact. Not a single (!) Ready-made AN in several years!
  22. rjpthju
    rjpthju 16 March 2021 00: 40
    +2
    At first we wrote about them, now they are the same about us.
  23. bar
    bar 16 March 2021 10: 29
    -1
    Another nonsense of the Sumerians from 404 negative
  24. wow
    wow 16 March 2021 11: 00
    +1
    Not all patients were taken away by the war, as my grandmother used to say !!!
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  26. mikstepanenko
    mikstepanenko 16 March 2021 15: 26
    0
    Yes, analysts are the most competent. How many times did the Crimean bridge fall for these analysts? For a long time already lost count.
  27. Volder
    Volder 16 March 2021 17: 30
    0
    The video said that it was collecting a prototype for flight tests. Mass production is out of the question yet! "We heard the ringing, but did not understand where it came from." You have to be more careful.
  28. Yurmy
    Yurmy 16 March 2021 21: 51
    +1
    Fuck them with the Ukrainians
  29. Volder
    Volder 16 March 2021 23: 05
    -1
    This is a fake milling planner's pay sheet. The date of birth is not indicated on the payroll. What is "Personal time" is not clear. Any work is regulated by technological breaks, but calling it personal time is not correct. In addition, there is a lack of a mandatory allowance - the regional coefficient, which is added to wages for any form of remuneration from actual earnings. And most importantly: the presence of standard hours speaks of hourly wages, with a bonus for any performance indicators. That is, the wording "Piecework salary" is incorrect.
    1. Cergey
      Cergey 17 March 2021 11: 24
      0
      Maybe a fake, only when I worked as an operator of CNC machines, at one of the military, factories, before the arrival of the checking generals, we were paid a salary for 2 months in a tabulka, and that was not enough. 35 thousand ...
      Yes, it was relatively recent, 5 years ago.
      The plant supplied components for space development, aviation, robotics, etc.
  30. Cergey
    Cergey 18 March 2021 13: 26
    0
    I am reading your comments, and it feels like you, gentlemen, servicemen, do not know how and for what people work in factories.
    Yes, it seems ridiculous, but the real salaries in the regions are by no means 40 thousand.
    Moreover, a communal apartment, travel is more expensive, food, too, and wages are falling.
    The problem is that you cannot find a job, those factories in which something is produced, people do not go because they pay more for employment.
    Now many will say, or in business .. What ?? To sell something, you need to buy .. But there is no money.
    To bomb all my life? To carry drug addicts?
    So it turns out that we are laughing at zhovtoblaktniki, and it's time to cry ourselves.
    But from the TV, take more air into your chest ...
    Tired of lies from the screen and facts from life.
    I'll make a reservation right away, I was lucky, I was able to leave the monotown, my wife repairs BMPs as a category 2 designer engineer for 28 thousand, I'm in the tool production for 35 rubles, a CNC operator ..
  31. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 19 March 2021 21: 53
    -1
    From the fool) ... They are waiting for him there on the world market) They reckon with Russia. And bananas only indicate what to do. There is Bombardier and Embraer. This niche is filled with them. And someone else's mouth is all the more so worse than a pistol) At Antonov's design bureau, there is a complete blockage so that they would not sing there. The owner does not need this KB.