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Kravchuk on the situation in Donbass: "This is a question of a possible large-scale conflict if Russia does not stop in its appetites"

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Kravchuk on the situation in Donbass: "This is a question of a possible large-scale conflict if Russia does not stop in its appetites"

The first president of Ukraine, who is now the head of the Ukrainian delegation to the Trilateral Contact Group, made another statement on the situation in Donbass. Leonid Kravchuk once again made it clear that Kiev is not fulfilling and is not going to fulfill the Minsk agreements. At the same time, Kravchuk noted that Ukraine wants to start a "new" negotiation process, respectively, in a new format, in which the United States of America would also be present.


Kravchuk claims that Ukraine, France and Germany allegedly came up with an initiative on a "new plan of action" and a proposal to "break the deadlock." According to the head of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG, "Russia is now studying the plan, but is silent, as if it did not see the plan."

Kravchuk:

But there is such a plan.

Further, Mr. Kravchuk actually switched to threats, stating that the United States should take part in the new Normandy format, since this is "not only a Ukrainian and European issue, but a question of a possible large-scale conflict if Russia does not stop in its appetites."

This sounded like a threat to the country, and Kravchuk threatened Moscow with a "large-scale conflict", in fact, he will not accept the conditions for the introduction of the United States into a new negotiation format.

These statements were commented on by Ukrainian readers. Here are a few comments.

Kravchuk in his repertoire. When necessary, I bowed to Brezhnev, then to everyone in the United States: Obama, Trump, now Biden.

USA in the Normandy format? But only from the USA itself something is not heard about it.

Kravchuk was the first to make Ukraine an American gateway.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 14 March 2021 06: 46
    -1
    That is why Rossmi are citing the president, who was already 30 years ago !? Can't find a bigger spetsialist? fool
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 14 March 2021 06: 50
      +21
      Yes, already inject him with a sedative, you do not see an exacerbation, complicated by dementia, in an old man
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 14 March 2021 06: 54
        +35
        Bandera's people only need to inject a bullet for treatment. Other treatment does not take them.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 14 March 2021 07: 49
          +6
          No, well, you can drive an aspen stake into his sternum.
          1. figwam
            figwam 14 March 2021 09: 22
            +2
            Quote: Ros 56
            No, well, you can drive an aspen stake into his sternum.

            He has not yet answered for the collapse of the USSR.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 14 March 2021 11: 29
              +1
              Duc, as they say, seven troubles, one answer, for everything at once. negative
              And today's Forgiveness Sunday won't help him.
              And all the rest with a holiday and forgive me if I wrote something wrong. hi
            2. Metallurg_2
              Metallurg_2 14 March 2021 11: 44
              +3
              The one who did not give the command to arrest this trinity right in Belovezhskaya Pushcha must answer for the collapse of the USSR. Moreover, right there, it was necessary to execute the court and carry out the sentence.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 14 March 2021 12: 31
                -3
                No, guys, the old Bandera fart-liar has no dementia! The scoundrel is conducting a large-scale operation to cover and intimidate Russia before the alleged blitzkrieg of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in / in the Donbass.
              2. MackBolan
                MackBolan 14 March 2021 15: 25
                -4
                Interestingly, what did you personally do during the collapse of the USSR? On which fronts and in which trenches he was noted ...
                1. Metallurg_2
                  Metallurg_2 14 March 2021 22: 06
                  0
                  I was 6 years old at the time :)
                2. aleks neym_2
                  aleks neym_2 14 March 2021 22: 51
                  0
                  Than you were lying in the carriage ...
        2. Cube123
          Cube123 14 March 2021 09: 00
          +2
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Bandera's people only need to inject a bullet for treatment. Other treatment does not take them.

          Well, yes, their logic is really bad! That is, Ukraine can take care of its own security, but Russia cannot do the same. In such matters, the solution is found only through negotiations.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 14 March 2021 13: 38
            +2
            Quote: Cube123
            Well, yes, their logic is really bad! That is, Ukraine can take care of its own security, but Russia cannot do the same. In such matters, the solution is found only through negotiations..

            Moreover, by negotiations only with the participation of countries represented in the existing format. Mattresses, in the new format, have nothing to do, since continental they have nothing to do with Europe. This woodpecker Kravchuk should recall the bitter experience of the Japanese, when in the course of negotiations on the Kuril Islands mattresses climbed in and put pressure on the samurai so that they would not agree to two islands and demanded the return of 4 islands, as a result of which the Japanese were sent by the forest and nothing at all got. If the United States gets involved in this business, then with these "helpers" Ukraine will definitely not get what it wants, but it can definitely lose other territories.
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        4. frruc
          frruc 14 March 2021 15: 42
          +1
          Further, Mr. Kravchuk actually switched to threats

          This bald dog is also a threat.
        5. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 14 March 2021 22: 23
          +2
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Bandera's people only need to inject a bullet for treatment. Other treatment does not take them.

          This is a special Bandera. member of the Communist Party of the USSR! He headed the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine .. However, there are many such Bandera supporters in Russia. all as one ruled the Communist Party of the USSR. You yourself can name a dozen names at a glance .. Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlev, Chubais, KGB general Kalugin ..
          1. aleks neym_2
            aleks neym_2 14 March 2021 23: 18
            +1
            You are mistaken, "shanovny" (respected) - everything is ONLY for only the third secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine according to ideology: this is where his language will not be shortened in any way! And the fact that dodging and clinging is in the blood from the ancestors ... lived and survived under the psh.kami and Austrians ...
      2. lucul
        lucul 14 March 2021 08: 02
        +6
        Kravchuk:

        But there is such a plan.

        Kravchuk - is it you say, or is the gold of the Zionists speaking in you? ))))
        1. mig29mks
          mig29mks 14 March 2021 12: 11
          0
          Kravchuk is proud of the fact that he carried food to the Bandera's hideout. So at least someone can speak in it))
      3. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 14 March 2021 08: 36
        +3
        But there is such a plan.

        - Do you see a gopher?
        - No.
        - So I do not see. But he is. repeat
    2. Volodin
      Volodin 14 March 2021 06: 53
      +5
      Quote: Theodore
      That is why Rossmi are citing the president, who was already 30 years ago !? Can't find a bigger spetsialist?

      Perhaps, then, that he is the head of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG - the one that discusses the situation in Donbass.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 14 March 2021 07: 03
        0
        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: Theodore
        That is why Rossmi are citing the president, who was already 30 years ago !? Can't find a bigger spetsialist?

        Perhaps, then, that he is the head of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG - the one that discusses the situation in Donbass.

        Lyokha .. stinks anyway ... maybe?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 14 March 2021 08: 01
          +9
          Kravchuk on the situation in Donbass: "This is a question of a possible large-scale conflict if Russia does not stop in its appetites."

          Kravchuk is an old senile, but nevertheless he and his ilk have raised a whole galaxy of Russophobes who use any precedent, no matter how more or less significant, to attack Russia.

          Today, by the way, is the last day Maslenitsa ("Oil week" before Lent), with which I congratulate everyone yes

          But even in the tradition of baking pancakes on the outskirts, special propaganda departments have found the "hand of Moscow" (screen from the official website of the Bandera channel "1 + 1" with an infographic-explanation from an unnamed author):

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    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 14 March 2021 11: 42
      0
      So the article notes that this pensioner is the head of the Ukrainian delegation. Ukrainian media also constantly quote him. The pensioner remains an active politician.
      1. iouris
        iouris 14 March 2021 11: 58
        0
        This policy is invalid. Everyone who plays this politics is making a fool of our brother, and it will end badly.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 14 March 2021 06: 46
    +13
    This is a matter of possible large-scale conflict
    Maybe for the better ...
    Finally, Novorossia will become a reality and Odessa will become a Russian city again!
    (Well, not Jewish! They piled almost everything out of there a long time ago.)
    1. apro
      apro 14 March 2021 06: 48
      -2
      Quote: Victor_B
      Maybe for the better ...

      What can improve in this case ???
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 14 March 2021 06: 53
        +8
        Quote: apro
        What can improve in this case ???

        The issue of water supply to Crimea will be resolved.
        Nikolaev and Kherson shipyards will again start building the Russian fleet.
        Transnistria will receive a border with Russia.
        ALL the left bank of the Dnieper will leave Ukraine.
        Ukraine will become a great land power.
        What is the threat for this?
        HUGE troubles, up to the war with NATO. (Grandpa Biden is old, he doesn't care!)
        1. apro
          apro 14 March 2021 07: 00
          0
          Quote: Victor_B
          HUGE troubles, up to the war with NATO

          This is not the biggest trouble. The big trouble. That apart from the war, neither the Russians nor the Urainian hucksters can offer our divided people anything, but they will write down the hardships for the population. And they will also remain with the babos.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 14 March 2021 07: 42
            +1
            Quote: apro
            the big trouble is that apart from the war neither the Russians nor the Urainian hucksters can offer our divided people anything

            And who divided it there?
            1. apro
              apro 14 March 2021 07: 57
              0
              Quote: Dart2027
              And who divided it there?

              Bourgeois.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 14 March 2021 08: 00
                +2
                Quote: apro
                Bourgeois.

                Lenin?
                1. apro
                  apro 14 March 2021 08: 14
                  -2
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Lenin?

                  Vilenin is a communist, both in his actions and in his outlook, I do not see a bourgeois principle in his actions.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 14 March 2021 09: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: apro
                    VILENIN is a communist both in action and outlook

                    That is, Ukraine was created by the communists.
                    1. apro
                      apro 14 March 2021 10: 27
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, Ukraine was created by the communists.

                      Once again, the communists created the Ukrainian SSR.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 14 March 2021 11: 57
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        Again
                        Again
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Ukraine was created by the communists
                        It is a fact, whatever it is called.
                      2. apro
                        apro 14 March 2021 12: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        It is a fact, whatever it is called.

                        Yes ... it's like writing cognac on a bottle of water. Soviet Ukraine was an integral part of the USSR. And lived a common economic, cultural, scientific life. There was a common goal. And the USSR had no problems with this.
                        I will not understand. What do you want to convey to me ???
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 14 March 2021 13: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: apro
                        Soviet Ukraine was an integral part of the USSR and lived

                        Blah blah blah. Before the USSR, there was no Ukraine, but a handful of nationalists who could be shut down in five minutes.
                        Quote: apro
                        I will not understand. What do you want to convey to me ???
                        True? And in my opinion, you understand everything perfectly.
                      4. apro
                        apro 14 March 2021 14: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Before the USSR there was no Ukraine,

                        Once again. Verkhovnaya glad is that ??? directory ??? Skoropadsky ?? Petliura ???
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        and there were a handful of nationalists who could be shut down in five minutes.

                        And that the Russians did not close them ??? or the valiant Russian imperial officers ran to enroll in the Sich Riflemen.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And in my opinion, you understand everything perfectly.

                        And ... to shift my inability. But the previous pinging, the metal trauma of the past, I understand.
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 14 March 2021 18: 22
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        Once again. Verkhovnaya glad is that ???

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Before the USSR, there was no Ukraine, but a handful of nationalists who could be shut down in five minutes.

                        Quote: apro
                        And that the Russians did not close them ???

                        And then the communists continued their work. Until the logical end.
                        Quote: apro
                        Ah ... shift your inability. But the previous generation
                        Failure to change the past? And there is nothing to say, I understand.
                      6. apro
                        apro 15 March 2021 02: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And then the communists continued their work.

                        They created a bourgeois Ukraine ???? and that in the Ukrainian SSR in 1922 there was a bourgeois ???? nationalistic ????

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Until the logical end.

                        I do not understand. What do you think the goal of the communists is ??? to build a third-rate bourgeois state ???
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Failure to change the past?

                        Inability to change the present. And the search for reasons in the past.
                      7. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 15 March 2021 19: 22
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        Have created a bourgeois Ukraine ????

                        Quote: apro
                        Inability to change the present and search for reasons in the past

                        You are so awkwardly trying to get away from the simple fact that without the communists there would be no Ukraine at all.
                        Quote: apro
                        I do not understand. What do you think the goal of the communists is?
                        Build Utopia. Which in reality ends in problems.
                      8. apro
                        apro 15 March 2021 23: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        You are so awkwardly trying to get away from the simple fact that without the communists there would be no Ukraine at all

                        And you are clumsily trying to blame the communists for today's problems of the Russian bourgeoisie.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Build Utopia. Which in reality ends in problems.

                        I do not see anything utopian in their activities, but the problems that stuck with those who destroyed communism, having fallen into an economic and ideological impasse.
                      9. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 March 2021 19: 27
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        awkwardly trying to blame the communists for today's problems of the Russian bourgeois
                        That is, there is nothing to argue that it was they who created this problem.
                        Quote: apro
                        I don't see anything utopian in their activities

                        Well, show it on the map of the USSR.
                      10. apro
                        apro 16 March 2021 19: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, there is nothing to argue that it was they who created this problem.

                        I do not see the problems for the USSR. And the problems of the bourgeois Russia are of little interest to me. Moreover, the bourgeois Russia creates problems for itself.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Well, show it on the map of the USSR.

                        Yes, it was destroyed, but I do not consider it a utopia.
                      11. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 March 2021 22: 10
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        I don't see a problem for the USSR

                        Except that he's not there?
                        Quote: apro
                        but I don't consider it a utopia

                        People remained people, with all their shortcomings. "The psychology of people of the future" has remained an unattainable dream.
                      12. apro
                        apro 17 March 2021 03: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Except that he's not there?

                        So there is no problem.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        People remained people, with all their shortcomings.

                        And someone is quite happy with it.
                      13. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 17 March 2021 19: 59
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        So there is no problem.
                        That is, it was Utopia.
                        Quote: apro
                        And someone is quite happy with it.
                        Take clay (or a monkey) and mold (or evolve) a new humanity. I'm not against.
                      14. apro
                        apro 18 March 2021 01: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, it was Utopia.

                        No, it was not.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Take clay (or a monkey) and mold (or evolve) a new humanity.

                        And wake up yelling at crossroads about violence against a person. You do not mind. But you don’t want to strain, and you don’t want to change.
                      15. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 18 March 2021 20: 24
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        No, it was not.

                        So show me communism. Or humanity that can build it.
                        Quote: apro
                        And wake up yelling at crossroads about violence against a person. You do not mind. But you don’t want to strain, and you don’t want to change.

                        So you can't? I can't either, and no one on Earth can.
                      16. apro
                        apro 19 March 2021 02: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        So show me communism. Or humanity that can build it.

                        As long as they believe in him, he is alive.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, you can’t?

                        Now. The process is not simple. But there is no other way out. Either upward. Or again into the primitive communal.
                      17. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 19 March 2021 19: 02
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        As long as they believe in him, he is alive.

                        They also believe in Santa Claus. I am not asking what you believe, I am asking
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        So show me communism. Or humanity that can build it.
                        Are they there?
                        Quote: apro
                        Now. The process is not simple. But there is no other way out. Either upward. Or again into the primitive communal.
                        Generally speaking, the primitive communal system is just a variant of communism.
                      18. apro
                        apro 20 March 2021 02: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        They also believe in Santa Claus.

                        But he brings gifts, not a solution to a problem.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Are they there?

                        No.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        In general, the primitive communal system is just a variant of communism.

                        Yes..yes..and cannibalism is a bright future for man. This is not a variant of communism. This is a variant of survival. The relationship between members is based on one thing. To survive. And not to live.
                      19. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 20 March 2021 07: 10
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        No

                        This is the problem. You can talk as much as you like about the injustice of the world, but it really is far from ideal, that is, that is. But until humanity changes, in fact, it will not work to build a better society. Forms change, but not content.
                        Quote: apro
                        This is not a variant of communism. This is a variant of survival. The relationship between members is based on one thing. to survive. and not to live.

                        I know about survival. But in other conditions, people begin to pull the blanket over themselves.
                      20. apro
                        apro 20 March 2021 07: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        This is the problem.

                        This is, if not solved, then yes, there is a problem. Today, capitalism puts everyone on the brink of physical existence. A change in human consciousness. Makes him abandon his basic predestination. To continue life. And putting consumption and domination in the first place.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        But in other conditions, people begin to pull the blanket over themselves.

                        This is understandable. This is the natural state of the animal. But humanization also does not occur simultaneously. This is a long process of civilization, which cannot be interrupted. Otherwise, a rollback is inevitable. This is constant sourcing. This is a limitation of the will, but also the provision of freedom of choice.
                      21. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 20 March 2021 09: 13
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        .. today capitalism puts everyone on the brink of physical existence. a change in the consciousness of a person makes him abandon his basic destiny.

                        Quote: apro
                        but humanization also does not occur simultaneously. it is a long process of civilization

                        All this sounds beautiful (I'm serious), but it's not about capitalism, it's about the fact that capitalism is a reflection of our nature.
                      22. apro
                        apro 20 March 2021 09: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        but that capitalism is a reflection of our nature.

                        As well as slavery and feudalism. Question. Will it be okay ??? if yes then there are no more questions.
                      23. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 20 March 2021 11: 57
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        As well as slavery and feudalism. Question. would it be okay?

                        Arranges? The question is not what suits or does not suit, but what is possible or impossible. And the slave system and feudalism disappeared not because people became more highly moral, but because they simply became unprofitable. Moreover, in essence, they do not differ from capitalism. And if after some time they become more profitable than him, then humanity will return to them again. That is life.
                      24. apro
                        apro 20 March 2021 13: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The question is not what suits or does not suit, but what is possible or impossible.

                        Good answer. But if it is possible. Why is progress moving ??? it is not possible if nothing is done.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        profitable

                        Business is not in favor; a person is able to change; society is able to change.
                      25. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 20 March 2021 14: 02
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        but if according to the possibilities. why is progress moving

                        Why should he stop? The development of science and technology has nothing to do with not the best inclinations of mankind. Industry is developing, it becomes possible to create new means of production and the organization of their use is changing.
                        Quote: apro
                        Business is not in favor; a person is able to change; society is able to change.

                        If society were capable of deep, and not external changes, then we would have lived under communism for a long time, and without any revolutions.
                      26. apro
                        apro 20 March 2021 14: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Development of science and technology

                        This is overcoming the lack of opportunities.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        If society were capable of deep

                        Ie not capable ??? strange that we are now communicating thousands of kilometers from each other. With the help of technological devices. In an understandable language of communication.
                      27. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 20 March 2021 18: 03
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        This is overcoming the lack of opportunities.

                        And what is it?
                        Quote: apro
                        it's strange that we are now communicating thousands of kilometers from each other. with the help of technological devices. in an understandable language of communication

                        So what? What does this have to do with changing humanity? A common mistake is that the development of technology is confused with the development of mankind. Take fascism - who created it? Highly technically advanced Europeans.
                      28. apro
                        apro 20 March 2021 18: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        So what?

                        Never mind..
                        To work.to organize and educate.and so every day with a break for lunch ... and there will be opportunities.and develop humanity and society.and experience gained and skills to appear.
                      29. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 21 March 2021 07: 12
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        .and there will be opportunities. and develop humanity and society

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        If society were capable of deep, and not external changes, then we would have lived under communism for a long time, and without any revolutions.
                      30. apro
                        apro 21 March 2021 07: 19
                        0
                        If you think it is meaningless, then you do not need any arguments. Live with it.
                      31. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 21 March 2021 13: 27
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        then you do not need arguments either. live with it

                        Did you have them? Only slogans.
                      32. apro
                        apro 21 March 2021 14: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Only slogans

                        So everything suits you. Why do you need to change something. If you see a better future only in the past, where normal animal instincts live.
                      33. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 21 March 2021 15: 57
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        So you and so everything suits you. Why should you change something. If you see a better future only in the past

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        If society were capable of deep, and not external changes, then we would have lived under communism for a long time, and without any revolutions.

                        This is a fact that was very clearly demonstrated during the collapse of the USSR.
                      34. apro
                        apro 21 March 2021 16: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        This is a fact that was very clearly demonstrated during the collapse of the USSR.

                        This fact does not show anything. The construction of a communist society stopped and the USSR became unnecessary. I do not understand your references to the USSR. You are anti-Soviet. In your opinion, this is a victory of healthy forces over the evil empire.
                      35. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 21 March 2021 17: 03
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        I do not understand your references to the USSR.

                        Because they show the difference between theory and practice.
                      36. apro
                        apro 21 March 2021 17: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Because they show the difference between theory and practice.

                        They show a departure from theory, not a difference.
                      37. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 21 March 2021 21: 35
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        They show a departure from that theory.

                        That is, the theory did not stand the test of practice.
                      38. apro
                        apro 22 March 2021 02: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: apro
                        They show a departure from that theory.

                        That is, the theory did not stand the test of practice.

                        Theory and practice survived. The man could not stand the animal won. Until.
                      39. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 22 March 2021 20: 14
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        The theory and practice survived. The man could not stand it.

                        What is it like? The theory asserted one thing, but it turned out differently, but the theory held out?
                      40. apro
                        apro 23 March 2021 02: 02
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        How's that?

                        They departed from the theory.
                      41. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 23 March 2021 19: 18
                        0
                        Quote: apro

                        They departed from the theory.

                        that is, the theory turned out to be designed for non-existent people.
                      42. apro
                        apro 23 March 2021 19: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        non-existent people

                        Future people.
                      43. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 24 March 2021 19: 48
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        Future people.

                        Well, when they appear then and it will be possible to talk about something, for now we have the failure of building communism in general, and the creation of Ukraine by the communists in particular.
                      44. apro
                        apro 25 March 2021 00: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        while we have the failure of building communism in general, and the creation of Ukraine by the communists in particular.

                        I don’t think so.
                      45. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 25 March 2021 06: 01
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        I don’t think so.

                        Show the USSR on the map.
                      46. apro
                        apro 25 March 2021 06: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Show the USSR on the map.

                        And what does that change?
                      47. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 25 March 2021 09: 44
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        And what does that change?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, the theory did not stand the test of practice.
                      48. apro
                        apro 25 March 2021 10: 49
                        0
                        Why would it suddenly.
                      49. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 25 March 2021 11: 39
                        -2
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Show the USSR on the map.
                      50. apro
                        apro 25 March 2021 11: 51
                        0
                        And what does that change?
                      51. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 25 March 2021 15: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: apro
                        And what does that change?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, the theory did not stand the test of practice.
                      52. apro
                        apro 25 March 2021 21: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, the theory did not stand the test of practice.

                        A theory loses its relevance when another theory appears.
                      53. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 26 March 2021 18: 42
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        The theory loses its relevance when

                        verified in the case. Paper will endure everything, but only practice is the criterion of truth.
                      54. apro
                        apro 26 March 2021 22: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        verified in the case.

                        According to theory
                      55. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 27 March 2021 07: 03
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        According to theory

                        That is, the communists did not know their own theory?
                      56. apro
                        apro 27 March 2021 07: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, the communists did not know their own theory?

                        Diverted from theory.
                      57. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 27 March 2021 08: 32
                        -1
                        Quote: apro
                        Diverted from theory.

                        That is, they did not know. What kind of country it was.
                      58. apro
                        apro 27 March 2021 08: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, they did not know.

                        They wanted to solve socialist problems by capitalistic methods. Having departed from socialist construction. Through the reform of Gromyko Lieberman, introducing the concept of profit and profitability.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        What kind of country it was.

                        You, as I understand it, are hostile.
                      59. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 27 March 2021 10: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: apro
                        Wanted to solve socialist problems

                        That is, the communists in the USSR did not know the theory, and all the educational institutions trained politically uneducated people. What kind of country it was, and according to the communists themselves.
                      60. apro
                        apro 27 March 2021 11: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        What kind of country was it, and according to the communists themselves

                        The best.
                      61. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 27 March 2021 12: 05
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        The best.
                        That is, you agree that
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, the communists in the USSR did not know the theory, and all the educational institutions trained politically uneducated people
                        and you think this is the best?
                      62. apro
                        apro 27 March 2021 12: 20
                        +1
                        I consider the USSR to be the best state that would have existed on this territory, despite all the blunders and mistakes.
                      63. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 27 March 2021 14: 22
                        -2
                        Quote: apro
                        I consider the USSR to be the best state that would have existed on this territory.

                        Uh-huh. Anecdote remembered
                        The teacher:
                        "Little Johnny, why are you crying?"
                        Little Johnny (through tears):
                        "I want to live in the Soviet Union!"

                        Well, with the fact that the communists in the USSR did not know the theory, and all the educational institutions trained politically uneducated people, you nevertheless agreed.
                      64. apro
                        apro 27 March 2021 14: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        You still agreed.

                        Why would all of a sudden ???
                        USSR, then the second magnitude. Today the Russian Federation is the fourth from the side. And with this I completely agree.
                      65. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 27 March 2021 16: 15
                        -1
                        Quote: apro
                        Why would all of a sudden ???
                        Don't you remember what you wrote?
                        Quote: apro
                        They wanted to solve socialist problems by capitalistic methods. Having departed from socialist construction. Through the reform of Gromyko Lieberman, introducing the concept of profit and profitability.
                        From which it follows that
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, the communists in the USSR did not know the theory, and all the educational institutions trained politically uneducated people. What kind of country it was, and according to the communists themselves.

                        Quote: apro
                        USSR. Then the second quantity
                        And how did you finish?
                      66. apro
                        apro 27 March 2021 16: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Don't you remember what you wrote?

                        I remember that, and what comes of it, and I draw my own conclusions.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And how did you finish?

                        He was killed by the Russians.
                      67. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 27 March 2021 18: 04
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        I remember that. And what comes of it

                        That is, after all
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, the communists in the USSR did not know the theory, and all the educational institutions trained politically uneducated people. What kind of country it was, and according to the communists themselves.

                        Quote: apro

                        He was killed by the Russians.

                        That is, it turned out to be unviable and eventually lost?
                      68. apro
                        apro 28 March 2021 03: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, it turned out to be unviable and eventually lost?

                        Not intended for the Russians.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, after all

                        Not all the same.
                      69. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 28 March 2021 07: 07
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        Not intended for the Russians.

                        Well, go to build it somewhere in Somalia or for whom it is intended there.
                        Quote: apro
                        Not all the same.
                        according to your words
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, the communists in the USSR did not know the theory, and all the educational institutions trained politically uneducated people. What kind of country it was, and according to the communists themselves.
  • sleeve
    sleeve 14 March 2021 09: 01
    +2
    So let's go to the huckster for the lantern? In 1917 it went through normally. Let's start with lists? Or what, "huckster" is again generalizing about the "economic" structure of the current one? Disunite in any way, unite, again in no way. And you then "how"? How good will that be? well, at least hint please. And then it once sank into the Russian intellectual's head that "an honest and intelligent person cannot be satisfied with anything" and that's it ... Kayuk. Let's unite normally, add 12 million active population with children, plus 4 million pensioners. We won't go broke. But the markets and lands and the port of Odessa and the political alignment are five points. And I didn't care about the sanctions. And there will be no war. no one. After the "liquidation" of the Bandera front and the problems with the Basmachi, the western side will still be creative for a long time, and there will be someone to incite against us. Well, not spratnikov, after all ...
    1. apro
      apro 14 March 2021 09: 06
      0
      Quote: sleeve
      Let's unite normally

      You have been uniting for 30 years now. And apart from conflicts and war nothing comes out. And what is the interest of Ukrainian hucksters with Russian hucksters to unite ??? a place under the sun then again to share ???
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 14 March 2021 11: 16
        +1
        "You already ..." Do you mean no? What is your credo? The rest have a position, even if "Crimea is not yours," but a position. And what are you "rich" in? Anyone here is interested in "anechsia" without meaning? Not. More interesting was the system for two economies with all the inflow and the outflow. The common cultural space was interesting. The union was more interesting not on paper and without subordination. That is why many things were forgiven, and therefore "by default" some moments were shifted. And once one decided that he was smarter than the other (or rather, they told him in his ear), then "a little bit and a hat." And where are the conflicts then? And with whom? I do not see. I see a civil war in the neighborhood. I see the country lost by stupidity, greed and cowardice (I agree that we had the same thing and we were lucky, but the neighbors did not learn anything). I see the same payment for betrayal (Crimea). But I do not observe wars and conflicts. Only in the head with a forelock.
        1. apro
          apro 14 March 2021 11: 26
          0
          Quote: sleeve
          What is your credo?

          Communist.
          Quote: sleeve
          More interesting was the system for two economies with all the inflow and the outflow.

          Two economies ??? and how the economy of the Russian Federation differs from the Ukrainian economy ??? Yes, nothing. Both bourgeois republics led by their khoyaevs of life.
          Quote: sleeve
          The common cultural space was interesting.

          Oh ... and what is this ??? now there is no cultural space. There is a media market. And it again has owners. And they do not let strangers into their clearing.
          Quote: sleeve
          And where are the conflicts then? And with whom? I do not see.

          From economic and direct, what we observed in 14 all these gas, oil, sugar, port substitutions, all from the same root of money interest.
          Quote: sleeve
          The price of betrayal

          And who betrayed whom is an interesting question.
          1. sleeve
            sleeve 14 March 2021 12: 28
            0
            Let's start at the end?
            The neighbors have geopolitical contact zones. By default, they are considered only "their sandbox". Ukraine (or rather, "Elita Maidan") kicked up, immediately showing which "customer" it was working for. All the "neighborness" flew to the edrenia. At once. Taking into account our interests in Crimea and the mood of the Crimeans, the result is not just predictable, but the only one. Moreover, the inertia was such that the whole east shook and blood began to flow in some places, since someone decided that there were non-Ukrainians living there. Here's a betrayal on the face. Lie on order under other masters for whom there are no other goals as a blow to Russia. Although Ukraine thought that the Maidan was about her.
            Well, they would say so about conflicts. There is greed, greed and nothing but greed. The desire to get cheaper, and take more for pumping, well, so that you can patch your holes for free. Only a little earlier, this was accompanied by an impressive turnover (although it is now preserved at the same figures, only gas left with oil). So they always accompany such "conflicts". There in the USA it is so direct and the "civil" and "world" economic war is going on. And there are no disputes among those who do not trade. The truth is now the policy of "civilized Ukraine" is giving up straight gop-stop. Steal, pull while the "adults" cover.
            So I'm talking about the same thing and here I agree with you. It was, no.
            Well, here you are, thank you for your tough position. Well done. I just don't understand what the "communist credo" is in this context. Well stupid. I like more about the economy, about sociality, about the defense industry ... And the "communist" is probably for I. Efremov.
            1. apro
              apro 14 March 2021 12: 41
              0
              Quote: sleeve
              I just don't understand what the "communist credo" is in this context.

              Judging by the comments ... it’s not yours.
              1. sleeve
                sleeve 14 March 2021 12: 58
                0
                Yes, just ours. What's wrong with the comments? All the way. We are not looking for those guilty of "throwing shit into trousers". Cause and effect on the surface. The comments are consistent. But I haven't received any discussion from you yet. So will I pass the question? What period can you refer to your credo in order to be curious about the image? I hope you do not mean "Manifesto" with labor armies and common children? So where do we get what inspires you?
              2. apro
                apro 14 March 2021 13: 10
                -1
                Quote: sleeve
                So where do we get what inspires you?

                On YouTube, prime numbers.
              3. sleeve
                sleeve 14 March 2021 13: 41
                0
                Yeah. Well then, you're right. Not mine. YouTube is definitely not mine.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 14 March 2021 12: 00
      -1
      Quote: sleeve
      What is your credo?

      Comrade, a convinced communist, and for him Russia is the worst enemy, because as long as it exists, then one can not dream of any construction of Utopia 2.0.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 14 March 2021 12: 30
        +1
        It's right. Hopefully it won't happen again. No, well, at least "socialist" was written, and then immediately "commune".
  • Victor_B
    Victor_B 14 March 2021 09: 17
    -2
    Quote: sleeve
    So let's go to the huckster for the lantern?

    Fascists and hangers-on.
    How Odessa residents acted during the liberation of Odessa.
    When the Soviet troops entered there, ALL the policemen were ALREADY hanging on poles and trees!
  • Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 14 March 2021 15: 53
    0
    Quote: apro
    Quote: Victor_B
    HUGE troubles, up to the war with NATO

    This is not the biggest trouble. The big trouble. That apart from the war, neither the Russians nor the Urainian hucksters can offer our divided people anything, but they will write down the hardships for the population. And they will also remain with the babos.

    We, in the Urals, even then understand that we pay for gas for brothers in Chechnya ... the scheme is not tricky ... and AK is golden ...
  • Egoza
    Egoza 14 March 2021 07: 41
    +6
    Quote: Victor_B
    What is the threat for this?
    HUGE troubles, up to the war with NATO. (Grandpa Biden is old, he doesn't care!)

    I doubt that NATO will get involved in a war with the Russians. Biden is old, but he does not decide there, and not all of them go there. Well, there will be sanctions, they will be there anyway. Will the market be closed? So the world is big, the Russian Federation will find where to sell its goods, and inside the country, prices can be "streamlined"
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 14 March 2021 07: 45
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      I doubt that NATO will get involved in a war with the Russians. Biden is old, but he does not decide there, and not all of them go there.
      But they'll be shitting on the rug under the door ...
      How will a roadside toilet become ...
    2. apro
      apro 14 March 2021 08: 15
      -2
      Quote: Egoza
      and inside the country, prices can be "streamlined"

      That is, declare war on its own population.
    3. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 14 March 2021 16: 01
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      Quote: Victor_B
      What is the threat for this?
      HUGE troubles, up to the war with NATO. (Grandpa Biden is old, he doesn't care!)

      I doubt that NATO will get involved in a war with the Russians. Biden is old, but he does not decide there, and not all of them go there. Well, there will be sanctions, they will be there anyway. Will the market be closed? So the world is big, the Russian Federation will find where to sell its goods, and inside the country, prices can be "streamlined"

      Lena said very accurately.
  • Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 14 March 2021 07: 05
    +1
    Quote: apro
    Quote: Victor_B
    Maybe for the better ...

    What can improve in this case ???
    we will be more accurate to spit ...? well, as an option ..
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 14 March 2021 06: 51
    0
    Damn, who is Kravchuk? Former president, retired. Why are the statements of this old fly agaric associated with Ukraine? Chubatye, do you have two presidents? This is tantamount to if now Gorbachev begins to declare that he is suspending the construction of SP2 and declaring war on Guadeloupe ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 14 March 2021 11: 52
      0
      He is the official representative, the head of the Ukrainian delegation. And the Ukrainians themselves constantly quote him.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 14 March 2021 06: 54
    +1
    And how he sang, in 1992. How he sang ... In politics, Kravchuk is a "lady with reduced social responsibility." And it was the ideologue of the Communist Party of Ukraine. Typical "face" of nezalEzhnoy Ukraine.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 March 2021 07: 12
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Typical "face" of nezalEzhnoy Ukraine.

      Well, probably not a face, but something else. Quite, quite the opposite! repeat
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 14 March 2021 08: 54
        0
        Notice! I didn't say that.)
    2. apro
      apro 14 March 2021 07: 35
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      And how he sang, in 1992.

      And how he sang ... and drank EBN ??? a fairy tale ...
  • ximkim
    ximkim 14 March 2021 06: 54
    +2
    For some reason, Kravchuk does not announce the new plan, and the media does not provide it for replication ..
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 March 2021 07: 43
      +2
      Quote: ximkim
      For some reason, Kravchuk does not announce the new plan, and the media does not provide it for replication ..

      Ukrposhta did not deliver a letter from Ts.U. from USA
      1. ximkim
        ximkim 14 March 2021 11: 14
        +1
        And this can be)) Kravchuk and company decided to play as a commander and at the same time bury the Minsk agreements. Kiev decided to change the conditions / agreement on the settlement of the conflict in Donbass, and this requires a small victory at the front. Probably TKG Kiev was hypnotized (since they were so confident) ..
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  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 March 2021 07: 56
    +1
    Here is an example for all of us, how you can cling to one power, and even stand at the head of it, in which case you turn 180 and sing completely different songs.
    And then how can our people communicate with such scum? It's like they plunge headlong into shit.
  • rusich
    rusich 14 March 2021 08: 17
    -1
    And when this madman shuts up
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 14 March 2021 08: 30
    -1
    That's who Biden should be brought together. winked Two weirdos would sit on their pots gu-gukali, eating applesauce. You could have given them more rattles.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 March 2021 08: 36
    -1
    Something recently the Ukrainian presidents waved a saber. And all the hope is whether the Russian Federation will use aviation or not ......... It is necessary to announce what it will apply. And the question will be settled.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 14 March 2021 13: 23
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Something recently the Ukrainian presidents waved a saber. And all the hope is whether the Russian Federation will apply aviation or not ......... It is necessary to announce what it will apply. And the question will be settled.

      The GDP has already announced more than that, namely - "An attempt to resolve the issue in Donbass by military means will lead to the loss of Ukraine's statehood" - that is, they will be shocked to the fullest, since forcing the ukroverrmacht to peace will be associated with the use of all types of weapons necessary to accomplish this task , therefore, aviation too.
  • Joker62
    Joker62 14 March 2021 08: 53
    -1
    Quote: Ros 56
    No, well, you can drive an aspen stake into his sternum.

    Why does he need an easy death ??? Better on a stake, through a causal hole ...
  • Boromir1941
    Boromir1941 14 March 2021 09: 19
    -1
    balabolit like Kerensky. I would sit in the trenches myself
  • alien
    alien 14 March 2021 10: 57
    +1
    Kravchuk on the situation in Donbass: "This is a question of a possible large-scale conflict ..."

    Don't push it, Leonid Makarovich, otherwise, as Ukraine began with Kravchuk, so maybe Kravchuk will end ...

    Ukraine now, after all, "agrarian"country. Local feudal lords (Poroshenko has more than 200 thousand hectares of land) are well aware that with the start of real hostilities in spring, Ukraine will be cut off the fuel, which means SOWING will be covered, which means HUNGER, then - PI-PEP.

    Therefore, the war for Ukrainian feudal lords is like plague... But to remove them with the hands of Zelensky is very possible.

    Why do Americans need provocations against the DPR and LPR republics? To finish off Zelensky's rating to zero, and then give power to Biden's friend - Poroshenko or Poroshenko's friend - It doesn't matter to whom.
    It's not for nothing that Biden completely ignores the puppet Zelensky. For the Americans, in the place of the president of the colony, the ideological leader-sponsor of the nationalists, the puppet oligarch Poroshenko would look better.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 14 March 2021 11: 42
    0
    Kravchuk on the situation in Donbass: "This is a question of a possible large-scale conflict if Russia does not stop in its appetites"

    Yes, there are faces, distinguished by the constancy of their vile nature.
  • iouris
    iouris 14 March 2021 11: 51
    0
    The state Russian language is being destroyed. This is a crime that has no statute of limitations.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 14 March 2021 12: 02
    0
    if Russia does not stop in appetites "
    Let Ukraine return what it got illegally in 1991. (the fact that Ukraine has never been, that is, Little Russia and Novorossia), and there will be no "appetites". As the saying goes, you don't need someone else. And with the five western regions, which in fact are Ukraine, let the Poles figure it out.
  • musorg
    musorg 14 March 2021 12: 13
    +1
    Kravchuk and his political stupidity are to blame for everything that is happening!
    1. alien
      alien 14 March 2021 13: 08
      0
      Quote: musorg
      Kravchuk and his political stupidity are to blame for everything that is happening!

      Nationalism is to blame for everything.

      Topwar, September 1, 2014:
      "Nationalist Ukraine is an American project. They raised Ukrainian Nazis the same way they raised Muslim fundamentalists in the Arab world. And who else can be raised, who would strive to go to war himself? Only such inveterate radicals.
      <...>
      Obviously, by putting only Ukraine under the rule of the fascist radicals, America is not closing its project on this. Why did American advisers occupy a whole floor in the house of the Ukrainian government? Maybe their desire to lead Ukraine to prosperity? Not? Then what for? Chaos in the face of the nationalists should go to Russia, and America confidently promotes this plan.
      <...>
      Maybe economic difficulties - rising prices, interruptions in heating, lack of food, increased unemployment will turn people away from war, make them seek peace? Also no. Resentment will spill over into the government, not the war. The government can be changed. But new leaders will come, the same nationalists, and the war will continue. All the warring nations at all times tightened their belts, but the war continued. She was a matter of honor, and that's what the victims of the war and Ukrainian propaganda make her like. "
      https://topwar.ru/57215-est-u-rossii-po-ukraine-plan-v.html

      Dmitry Sergeevich Likhachev:
      Nationalism is a manifestation weakness of the nationrather than her strength. Mostly weak peoples are infected with nationalism, trying to preserve themselves with the help of nationalist feelings and ideology.
      <...>
      True patriotism is about enriching others by enriching spiritually. Nationalism, fencing off with a wall from other cultures, destroys their own culture, drains her.
      The culture must be open.
      <...>
      Despite all the lessons of the twentieth century, we have not learned to truly distinguish between patriotism and nationalism. Evil disguises itself as good.
      Patriotism is the noblest of feelings. This is not even a feeling - it is the most important side of both the personal and social culture of the spirit, when a person and the whole people, as it were, rise above themselves, set themselves supra-personal goals.
      Nationalism is the worst of misfortunes of the human race. Like any evil, it hides, lives in darkness and only pretends that it is generated by love for their country. And it is actually generated malice, hatred to other peoples and to that part of their own people, which does not share nationalistic views. Nationalism feeds on anger, hatred of others, a sense of lack of something. Patriotism feeds on kindness, benevolence, friendliness, for loving his own, a person understands the one who also loves his own. Generosity feeds breadth, patriotism, pride in one's nation, in the achievements of one's culture.

      Nationalism gives rise to self-doubt, weakness, and itself, in turn, is generated by the same. "
      page 311-314
      https://imwerden.de/pdf/likhachev_kniga_bespokojstv_1991__ocr.pdf
  • kit88
    kit88 15 March 2021 00: 39
    +7
    Who would have reassured him already.
    am
  • Diverter
    Diverter 16 March 2021 00: 06
    +1
    With all due respect to those who comment on the qiu writing. Explain to me a fool ... "Further, Mr. Kravchuk actually went over" .. this is Mr. this is what you mean? Gaspadin or product number 2 ??? I can't figure it out myself. It seems like it is written that the gentleman, but is understood as a product ...
  • Consul
    Consul 16 March 2021 15: 34
    +18
    Kravchuk was the first to make Ukraine an American gateway

    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye good