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MW: There used to be 500 fighters in Ukraine, today they are losing the last, and on the ground

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MW: There used to be 500 fighters in Ukraine, today they are losing the last, and on the ground

The incident with the loss of the Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter as a result of a collision with a car on the steering track of a military airfield near Kiev attracted the attention of the foreign press. According to Military Watch, Ukraine is losing its last fighters.


The publication, commenting on the incident, draws attention to the fact that alcohol abuse has been a serious problem of the Ukrainian military for decades and has already led to accidents of military equipment, including the Su-27 aircraft of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is emphasized that the loss occurred on the ground under strange circumstances, when a drunk officer in his car crashes into a fighter located on the taxiway of the airfield, as a result of which the plane is damaged and loses combat readiness.

The author writes that according to publications in the Ukrainian press, the plane will be decommissioned, since its restoration is impossible. It is emphasized that the loss of even one combat-ready fighter for the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is very significant against the background of the remaining combat fleet. aviation.


After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine had one of the largest air fleets in the world, numbering more than 500 fighters, but over the years, the Ukrainian Air Force has lost its aircraft and today it has about 85 Soviet-made fighters that have almost reached their end of life. What percentage of the old MiG-29, Su-27 and Su-24 is fully operational is not known.

The lack of modern weapons and outdated equipment limit the ability of Ukrainian military aircraft to fight on equal terms with modern Russian fighters.

Ukraine does not have the funds to buy new aircraft, as well as to modernize the existing ones, so for a long time, Ukrainian pilots will have to fly on Soviet fighters. The country, which previously had 500 fighters in service, is losing the latter, and on the ground, the author sums up.
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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR 13 March 2021 19: 17
    +50
    Losing a fighter in a car crash on the runway ... wassat wassat Full ....... c good
    1. RealPilot
      RealPilot 13 March 2021 19: 44
      +43
      Well, this is a general tendency of "independent" and proud ...

      Transfer? Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova ... And the three "Baltic tigers" roar, even the sprats swam away from fear along with the factories!
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 13 March 2021 20: 13
        +17
        Quote: RealPilot
        ....... And the three "Baltic tigers" roar, even the sprats swam away from fear along with the factories!

        Well yes! Together with the factories, they sailed away, together with the ports, and at the same time they destroy the railway ... am ..type ---- the barn burned down, burn and hut!
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 14 March 2021 12: 11
          +7
          And I am in doubt: has Comrade Captain deserved an order or only a medal? On the one hand, he "shot down" only one plane. On the other hand, you need to take into account the political moment, international politics (or geopolitics in general?) And the moral effect. It turns out - an order ?! Definitely, Comrade Lieutenant Colonel will not be awarded soon. laughing
        2. Jager
          Jager 15 March 2021 07: 17
          +3
          This is a "plan to eliminate the bloody Soviet legacy." And since instead of him the limitrophes can only generate Russophobia, the result is a little predictable.
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 13 March 2021 20: 29
        +17
        It was -500. Remained-50 (approximately) 450-stolen "curses Muscovites." Here it is- "nEzalEzhnost"
        1. Bashibuzuk1
          Bashibuzuk1 13 March 2021 20: 46
          +7
          Read about the tragedy at the Sknilovo airfield in Lviv region during an air show in the 90s.
          Where did 500 fighters come from ... They gave the quantitative composition of the aviation equipment of the Ukrainian Air Force, no more than 112 aircraft of all types
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 13 March 2021 21: 29
            +17
            Quote: Bashibuzuk1
            about the tragedy at the Sknilovo airfield in Lviv region during an air show in the 90s
            On July 27, 2002, the Su-27UB, two “big bosses” with less than fifteen hours of flight time performed the show at low altitude ... the madness continues
      3. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 13 March 2021 20: 38
        +11
        Quote: RealPilot
        Well, this is a general tendency of "independent" and proud ...
        Transfer? Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova ... And three "Baltic tigers"

        Immediately after the collapse of the Union, Moldova drank almost all of its MiG-29 IAP KCHF to the Americans ...
        And the Baltic republics did not have any combat aviation ...
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 13 March 2021 23: 19
          +6
          Quote: Lara Croft
          the Baltic republics did not have any combat aviation ...

          Well, why are you so categorical laughing "Probable partners" hurried up and gave them a pair of L-410s and half a dozen Mi-2s; Estonians got R44 for some reason; Lithuanians "for their" got hold of L-39za, in a word
          Quote: RealPilot
          three "Baltic tigers"
          but how they growl
      4. Kaman
        Kaman 13 March 2021 21: 10
        -61%
        And to lose 2 fighters in non-combat conditions during the Mediterranean campaign "Kuzi"? And what about the first serial SU-57? We see a speck in someone else's eye, but we don't notice a log in our own ...
        1. Obliterator
          Obliterator 13 March 2021 21: 19
          +35
          Quote: Kaman
          And to lose 2 fighters in non-combat conditions during the Mediterranean campaign "Kuzi"? And what about the first serial SU-57? We see a speck in someone else's eye, but we don't notice a log in our own ...

          We notice in general that, just specifically in this article about another speech. There are critical articles on the problematic issues of the Russian army on the resource, so there is no need to escalate here.
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 13 March 2021 21: 34
          +29
          Quote: Kaman
          And to lose 2 fighters in non-combat conditions during the Mediterranean campaign "Kuzi"? And what about the first serial SU-57? We see a speck in someone else's eye, but we don't notice a log in our own ...

          These planes are not lost by drunkenness. It is most important. Everyone has accidents. And then. We have lost - we will build. We will not moan.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 14 March 2021 00: 16
            +3
            Quote: 1976AG
            We have lost - we will build.

            And in Ukraine, without construction, they immediately expect to receive new aircraft:
            March 12, 2021, AEX.RU - The Ukrainian Air Force (Air Force) is considering the possibility of replacing Soviet aircraft with American ones, said the Commander of the Ukrainian Air Force Sergei Drozdov to the Verkhovna Rada deputies during the presentation of the Air Force development strategy until 2035, Militarny portal"
            The list of considered aircraft and the F-35. Apparently, in anticipation of this, the decommissioning of the outdated MiG-29 began. And the recycling method is the most available at the moment.
        3. Cowbra
          Cowbra 13 March 2021 21: 50
          +17
          Since when did the fighting in Syria become non-combat? The dillies were starving without cookies, and even without manuals it is bad to come up with it?
        4. Dart2027
          Dart2027 13 March 2021 21: 59
          +18
          Quote: Kaman
          In someone else's eye we see a speck, but in our own a log

          That is, you do not understand the difference between accidents during flights and a drunk driver at the airport?
        5. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 13 March 2021 23: 05
          +15
          Quote: Kaman
          And the first serial SU-57 ..

          Well, why did you stop, tell us further about the Su-57 ... Are you trying to justify driving drunk in a private car along the taxiways of a military airfield? Are you serious? You are not competent, not high quality ...
        6. akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 13 March 2021 23: 34
          +17
          “The National Commission on Military Aviation Safety has summed up the non-combat losses of US military aviation between 2013 and December 1, 2020. According to the report, 186 aircraft and 224 pilots were lost during this period. According to the commission's calculations, in the period from 2013 to 2018, in 6 thousand aviation accidents not related to hostilities, the US military aviation lost 157 aircraft of various types, as well as 198 pilots. 2019 aircraft and 2020 dead pilots. " (from)
          Why don't we wave this 'speck'?
          For the 5th generation? Please!
          From the fresh: May 15, 2020 from Eglin base the fall of the US Air Force F-22 Raptor fighter, assigned to the 43rd IAE of the 325th AK.
          From early March 25, 2009, an F-22 crashed near Edwards airbase, p / p-to David Cooley was killed.
          November 16, 2010 - The F-22 disaster from Elmendorf Air Base claimed the life of the pilot, Captain Jeffrey Haney.
          November 15, 2012. Aircraft F-22A Block 10 43rd IAE 325 IAK US Air Force Tyndall airbase in Florida, but this time the pilot managed to escape, albeit injured.
          F-35A crashes On September 28, 2018, an F-35B fighter, 501st MARINES USAF, crashed 8 km west of Beaufort Base in South Carolina.
          April 9, 2019 F-35A, 302nd IAE of the Japanese Self-Defense Force, base "Misawa", Major Akinomi Hosomi was killed.
          Nichosi a speck, huh?
        7. Piramidon
          Piramidon 14 March 2021 10: 37
          +2
          Quote: Kaman
          We see a speck in someone else's eye, but we don't notice a log in our own ...

          And they noticed and discussed it many times, including here. But your comment is not a discussion of the article, but a scream in the style of a bone-headed hopper - "you yourself are fools"
      5. mister-red
        mister-red 14 March 2021 01: 03
        +2
        Well, this is a general tendency of "independent" and proud ...
        Transfer? Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova.

        About Moldova, no la-la. Our fighters were sold almost immediately, so they didn't have time to spoil them. And there was no one to fly on them.
        Oh, I forgot. We used to paint them with ordinary paint (not sexual, but something close to this), very strange in appearance. NATO soldiers thought it was some kind of new camouflage with some secret characteristics)
    2. 210ox
      210ox 13 March 2021 19: 45
      +15
      What do you want? Decommunization in full growth!
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 13 March 2021 19: 53
        +18
        There was an airplane, it became a lite. lol
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 13 March 2021 20: 41
        +15
        In his summary he added to the losses))
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 13 March 2021 20: 00
      +10
      Tse Ukraine, everything is possible there. Country of Opportunities, EPRST. laughing
    4. frruc
      frruc 13 March 2021 20: 02
      +7
      The incident with the loss of the Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter as a result of a collision with a car on the steering track of a military airfield near Kiev attracted the attention of the foreign press

      I don’t understand what is special here for the attention of the foreign press. Just think, one alcoholic did not eat bacon and did not fit into the turn. Ukrainian ases will show themselves on the ground, not in the air. wassat
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 13 March 2021 20: 18
        +2
        Quote: frruc
        ..... I don’t understand what is special here for the attention of the foreign press. Just think, one alcoholic did not eat bacon and did not fit into the turn. Ukrainian aces will show themselves on the ground, not in the air. wassat
        Yes, of course, there are also mistakes and stupid ones over the hill. fool there were ..... but they were surprised anyway .....
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 13 March 2021 20: 33
        +3
        Look at the root, as they say. A drunken officer crashed into the plane. Consequently, drunken driving on personal transport is in the order of things in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The duty officer, let him say thanks to this, unfortunate Hero.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 13 March 2021 21: 17
          +6
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          The duty officer, let him say thanks to this, unfortunate Hero.

          Already "said". The "hero" has repulsed the chest and multiple bruises of the soft tissues of the face, in other words, the blue physiognomy from the kirzach brothers. Relatives in all farms beat pigs with bacon in order to pay for the plane. Ride successfully.
        2. kit88
          kit88 14 March 2021 12: 41
          +6
          The duty officer did not stand there either. It's not his duty - to tow the planes.
          Rather, this very IO of Engineer 2 AE could be the senior when towing, if this is the plane of his squadron, of course.
          And it is unlikely that he was hit on the face after the accident. Only the commander of the regiment could beat, but the deputy for the IAS (and they are unlikely to be engaged in this), the position does not allow the rest.
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 13 March 2021 21: 51
        +8
        Quote: frruc
        I don’t understand what is special here for the attention of the foreign press.

        So Ukraine is abroad asking for money for the army, and drunken planes hit! That's where they rebelled where their money goes
        1. poquello
          poquello 13 March 2021 23: 12
          +3
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: frruc
          I don’t understand what is special here for the attention of the foreign press.

          So Ukraine is abroad asking for money for the army, and drunken planes hit! That's where they rebelled where their money goes

          some mysterious, these canned Americans
          An announcement appeared on the Raptor Aviation website (USA), which says that anyone who has paid 4,65 a million dollars can purchase a Soviet combat trainer MiG-29UB. This copy, which is a late model of this aircraft, was made by the Kalyazinsky machine-building plant (Tver region) in the 1986 year. The machine was operated a little. The fly is 818 hours, plus 118 hours after a major overhaul, performed by the Lviv State Aircraft Repair Plant (Ukraine).
          More details at: https://avia.pro/news/v-ssha-vystavili-na-prodazhu-istrebitel-mig-29
    5. Oleg Aviator
      Oleg Aviator 13 March 2021 20: 09
      +6
      It happens) but seriously, aviation is a very expensive component and such ridiculous cases are at least unacceptable. For all.
      1. iouris
        iouris 13 March 2021 23: 53
        +1
        For what reason are you so worried about those who have already bombed and will continue to bomb civilians?
    6. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 13 March 2021 20: 57
      +3
      Quote: SaLaR
      Losing a fighter jet in a car crash on the runway good
      Car accident - NO fatalities ...
      A catastrophe is when people die. You can say - "As a result of an accident - no fatalities, two vehicles cannot be restored ..." "polar foxes" in ukraine is increasing every day ... GREENPEES can only rejoice ... good
    7. iouris
      iouris 13 March 2021 22: 55
      +1
      Not on the runway, but in the airplane park.
      Strictly speaking, this is not a loss. It's just that the plane will become a donor. And all the same, all planes will be lost. Having taken off their head, they do not cry through their hair.
    8. Ingenegr
      Ingenegr 13 March 2021 23: 52
      -11%
      Yeah, complete. Remind me how at Vnukovo airport 20.10.2014/50/404 Falcon XNUMX met a car? This is not "full p ... c"? Only there the driver of the (snow-removing) car seemed to be sober. And all the airfield services functioned properly. And the territory was not "XNUMX", but quite "kept by God" - according to the hymn. But it did not help - the born to fly and the born to crawl came together in a clinch.
      And in this "krainsky" case, the mess is multiplied by the dashing drunkenness of the official.
      PS: Let them fight as often as possible. No pity.
      1. sifgame
        sifgame 14 March 2021 11: 38
        +2
        a drunken officer in a private car, at a military airfield, permanently incapacitates a fighter, other situations, snow-clearing equipment doing their job and getting a little lost, during a heavy snowfall, in the dark, become the cause of a plane crash. Doesn't it seem like a slightly different situation?
        1. Ingenegr
          Ingenegr 14 March 2021 13: 54
          -3
          Quote: sifgame
          a drunken officer in a private car,

          Quote: sifgame
          snow plows doing their job and getting a little lost

          He, too, "got a little lost."
          Quote: SaLaR
          Losing a fighter in a car crash on the runway .... Full ....... c

          This is the quote I answered. So?
          "Full ....... c" was referring to a "runway crash" - right? And in fact, and in another case, vehicles are taking off. So? Only in the case of Falcon, everyone is sober, in the second - a person with a job is tipsy and without brains - there is especially no one to stop and control.
          So the "brothers" did not have any "complete .... tsa". A common mess.
          There were things at the sober and hard-working. The examples of the plane crash at Los Rodeos airport are excellent confirmation of this. It is clear that the reasons are different and it is incorrect to directly compare their level. But, nevertheless, the respected SaLaR was in a hurry with the wording "full .... c".
          And how many equipment for drunkenness, foolishness and slovenliness was withdrawn into irrecoverable losses in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - it's better not to remember ...
    9. Jager
      Jager 15 March 2021 07: 14
      -2
      I remember that we have the head of Total on the runway got into the snow plow.
      KRAZ ukrovoena can be safely awarded the title of captain soldier
  2. Your stranger
    Your stranger 13 March 2021 19: 17
    +4
    If from the moment 21 it was 500 pieces, and if the su 27 and the moment 29 then it is unlikely
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 13 March 2021 21: 57
      +5
      Quote: Stranger
      if su 27 and moment 29 then hardly

      Three of the most efficient Soviet military districts with all weapons. In addition, aviation from Germany and other foreign groups, after the withdrawal, settled mainly on Ukrainian airfields. So the numbers are quite real.
      1. Your stranger
        Your stranger 14 March 2021 09: 16
        -1
        Su 27 was 67 pieces maximum, and a maximum of 220 pieces moment 29, many of them were already out of order,
        But other.
        Su15m-78 pieces,
        Su 17m-52 pieces,
        Su24m-239 pieces,
        Su24mr-35 pieces,
        Su 25-83 pieces,
        Su 33-2 pieces,
        Mig21 - 377 pieces,
        Mig 23-172 pieces,
        Mig 25-97 pieces,
        Mig 27-49 pieces,
        Yak 28 - 37 pieces,
        Yak 38 - 2 pieces,
        Tu 16-132 pieces,
        Tu22-72 pieces,
        Tu22m-64 pieces,
        Tu95 - 23 pieces,
        Tu142-8 pieces,
        Tu 160-19 pieces,
  3. Poor
    Poor 13 March 2021 19: 19
    -12%
    sad let my cow die, if only the neighbor does not calve
  4. Cockroach Zee
    Cockroach Zee 13 March 2021 19: 25
    +26
    Bullshit, they'll get the F-35 soon. And an aircraft carrier. All the same, it is not for you to defend Europe from Russia, you don't want to do it, but you have to bear the losses.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 March 2021 19: 33
      +2
      Quote: Cockroach Zi
      Bullshit, they'll get the F-35 soon.

      Will give, cannon fodder must have a gun.
    2. Poor
      Poor 13 March 2021 19: 38
      -5
      where are we going, dear comrade? to confrontation? are we losing positions? from what year? since 1991?
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 13 March 2021 20: 03
      +1
      winked "Truman" will also be "presented" with letters from Fu-u-u-u-35. They are friends, and what friendship is without gifts? laughing
    4. Tochilka
      Tochilka 13 March 2021 20: 35
      +3
      At the same time, it is a transit country for gas from the Russian Federation. Tse peremoga chi zrada? bully
    5. 1976AG
      1976AG 13 March 2021 21: 40
      +3
      Quote: Cockroach Zi
      Bullshit, they'll get the F-35 soon. And an aircraft carrier. All the same, it is not for you to defend Europe from Russia, you don't want to do it, but you have to bear the losses.

      They can say that that officer worked for Russia and Putin himself ordered him to destroy the MiG!
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 13 March 2021 21: 52
        +2
        Well, yes, the "hand of the Kremlin" on the face !!! drinks
      2. Podvodnik
        Podvodnik 13 March 2021 22: 49
        +1
        ... that officer worked for Russia


        Bearded: Two crows are sitting on the fence, watching the "partners" launch a rocket. First: "Will fly". Second: "Nope, it won't fly."
        The rocket takes off and banghhhh. There is no her.
        First: "Nakarkala !!!"
        Second: "I serve the Soviet Union."
      3. Cockroach Zee
        Cockroach Zee 13 March 2021 22: 59
        0
        They can say that that officer worked for Russia and Putin himself ordered him to destroy the MiG!

        These can. And the worst thing is that there are many who are ready to believe it.
      4. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 14 March 2021 11: 52
        0
        Exactly: this captain of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has probably already been awarded an extraordinary rank through the FSB / SVR / GRU (cross out unnecessary).
    6. Filxnumx
      Filxnumx 13 March 2021 22: 26
      +1
      Bullshit, they'll get the F-35 soon.

      Hurry up! bully I would like this penguin to come to our hangar, but to delve into his giblets. I had an acquaintance of warrant officer at Viisk's midwife drinks
    7. iouris
      iouris 14 March 2021 12: 00
      +1
      It is a pity that they did not deliver. Then the F-35 would have to be written off.
  5. Poor
    Poor 13 March 2021 19: 26
    -18%
    I keep thinking, what are the differences between us? drunk Russians or Ukrainians (Ukrainians) are different people? As I think, we are going in the wrong direction, we need to think about how to unite, and not how to throw shit on the fan, so it's not difficult to understand whose laughing
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 March 2021 19: 29
      +15
      Quote: Sirota
      we need to think about how to unite

      With pan-headed Bandera, or what?
    2. 210ox
      210ox 13 March 2021 19: 56
      +11
      Unite? After May 2, 2014, I do not want to have anything to do even with the citizens of Odessa.
      1. Borz
        Borz 13 March 2021 21: 22
        +7
        What, let me ask you, did ALL Odessans displease you? Did those who opposed the Ukronazis on the square near the Kulikov Field and miraculously survived, going through the hell of torture chambers and pre-trial detention centers, did you also displease you? Do you also not perceive the adequate part of the population?
        1. 210ox
          210ox 14 March 2021 14: 40
          +2
          Is it possible to call TORTURE adequate? Of course not. They are white and fluffy. On kitchens. I looked through the Odessa forum here. With Mashkov-Gozman on the screen saver. In a couple of generations these residents of Odessa will forget the language spoken by their parents.
          1. Borz
            Borz 14 March 2021 15: 01
            -1
            Is it possible to judge all the inhabitants of Odessa by the forum with the participants who, yesterday, in the neighboring villages, twisted their tails to cows, like a "Odessa" sternenko.
            As for "tolerated", as you put it ...
            I have already repeatedly and patiently explained that in conditions of total pressure and arbitrariness on the part of the SBU, the possibility of organized resistance tends to zero. The Odessa republic was not supported at one time (like Donbass) due to the lack of a common border with Russia, and the leaders of the resistance were quickly shoved into the basements of the SBU. Can you imagine what it would be like without a trial and clear accusations? Excuse me, but from your categorical statements, such as "I do not want to have anything to do even with the citizens of Odessa," and "terpily" smacks of some kind of exclusivity, don't you think? That is, in your opinion, either with bare hands against the repressive state machine, or endured?
            1. 210ox
              210ox 14 March 2021 15: 10
              +1
              No, it doesn't smell. Are you interested in communicating with relatives who have forgotten you or spit in your direction? I have already given a dozen times here an example of my fellow students, graduated in 1986. By the will of the distribution of those who ended up in the Ukrainian SSR. Four people born in the RSFSR with Soviet education and upbringing. One in Rivne, another in Kiev, two in Zaporozhye. Only one remained adequate. Three are carrying such bile and the blizzard, it became impossible to communicate.
              1. Borz
                Borz 14 March 2021 15: 32
                +1
                No, it would not be interesting for me to communicate with such relatives. And, fortunately, I don't have such relatives. I communicate well with my numerous relatives from Russia, I myself live in the territory mentioned above. And I do not consider myself a patient. And I have not forgotten my native language, Russian, and I will not allow my grandchildren to forget. He served as a conscript in the Far East, for some time, in the early 90s he worked in Komi. I have been in many places in Russia. And I don’t know what should happen to me so that I, like your colleagues, “began to carry bile and blizzard,” as you put it.
                You touched me, hard.
                1. Poor
                  Poor 14 March 2021 16: 59
                  0
                  I will fully support, only I live in Russia, and many served and returned to Ukraine before the events of 2014, relatives live there and everything seems to be adequate, but I no longer bother, I stopped being surprised, there is a category of "football fans", for me they are good people more than bad and no matter what nationality.
                2. 210ox
                  210ox 14 March 2021 17: 51
                  +1
                  Today is Forgiveness Sunday. If you offended and hurt, I beg your pardon. And what happened to those people, I don't know. All of them occupy rather high positions in the energy sector of Ukraine.
                  1. Borz
                    Borz 14 March 2021 19: 01
                    0
                    No, you didn’t offend, it’s different, you have nothing to apologize for. I was just touched by your statements about terpily. Terpily (in our understanding) are traders from the "7th kilometer" market, for whom gesheft is most important. It was May 2, 2014, or not, but what's the difference, if only the money was spinning, wholesalers took the goods, etc. Terpily opportunists have firmly settled on Odessa TV channels (although there are almost no residents of Odessa). So, dear interlocutor, everything is not easy in Odessa. But there are normal people, and quite a few. That is why they are alive.
        2. bk316
          bk316 15 March 2021 13: 10
          0
          What, let me ask you, did ALL Odessans displease you?

          I am not saying that people from Odessa must somehow spread rot, but I do not wish to unite with the smiling fascists with the hataskrays. Here the Crimeans and LDNR residents made their choice, I still remember how people with bare hands rushed to BMPs, so Crimea is ours and it's time for the LDNR long ago, but Odessa is somehow itself.
          1. Borz
            Borz 15 March 2021 19: 29
            0
            Please read my post above. There I once again patiently stated the reason why Odessa remained in the occupation.
            1. bk316
              bk316 16 March 2021 13: 24
              0
              And you will hear me. It was also very difficult for the German people to oppose the Nazis. But they repented for what they had done for many years. And the Ukrainians are not going to repent somehow. That's when the bulk of the population will repent and the brave will go to the partisans, then we will think about unification. And by the way, any Ukrainian has the opportunity to simply leave the country, telling the authorities that they are famous, of course, pigs, but I'm not a shepherd for them.
              1. Borz
                Borz 16 March 2021 14: 19
                0
                Repent, you say ?! Why should I and my like-minded people repent ?! For not accepting this Bandera bacchanalia? For collecting signatures in defense of monuments and themselves standing in a cordon, defending these same monuments? For the fact that Victory Day is truly a holy holiday for our families? For raising your children in the spirit of respect for the Russian language and culture, for Russia as a whole? For the fact that my boys would never have thought of signing a contract and going to serve in the ATO? And where, on the next street or in Shevchenko park, do you propose to partisan? And to arrange ambushes on Devolanovsky descent? And about leaving, why should I run like a rat from a sinking ship, leaving the graves of my ancestors and everything that was created by us, including my labor, to desecrate?
                1. bk316
                  bk316 16 March 2021 14: 26
                  0
                  Why should I and my like-minded people repent ?!

                  Yes, not to you, but to those 40 million who said that my hut is on the edge. The Russians don't like the Nazis, let them come and figure it out themselves. And how do you ask partisans, do not ask me, but the DNR-Rovtsy, and while you are collecting signatures there, they answer with their lives the answer to the question of what to do.
                  And your children are not under contract so they will go to be called upon to shoot at them, and you will again say something like "so it was not under contract they were forced ..."
                  1. Borz
                    Borz 16 March 2021 14: 33
                    -1
                    The LDNR also collected signatures. Until a certain moment. Resistance began with the introduction of ukrovoysk into the territory of the republics. And armed - from the moment when the "north wind" blew. And there was no guerrilla war there, there was organized armed resistance.
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 18 March 2021 15: 55
                      0
                      Until a certain moment

                      It is necessary to understand that everything is still ahead?
    3. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 13 March 2021 20: 35
      +8
      After the cancellation of the Victory Day in vnaukraine. Personally, I don't get along with these people. And you - "unite" as you like.
      1. Borz
        Borz 14 March 2021 08: 42
        -1
        Look how many people all over the country and in Odessa in particular are celebrating Victory Day! For many residents of Ukraine, this is a holy holiday and no prohibitions against temporary workers and traitors can make them forget it. Here, in this territory of arbitrariness and lawlessness, the joy of our Victory and grief for the fallen are supplemented by civil protest - people honor the memory of the dead and lay flowers, no matter what.
        Do not judge ALL people. You must understand.
    4. poquello
      poquello 14 March 2021 00: 12
      0
      Quote: Sirota
      you have to think about how to unite,

      "but there is a nuance"
      the Pope also wants, but no one will adjust to his holidays, because the Orthodox canons were observed while the Catholics were giving out indulgences for money
  6. bar
    bar 13 March 2021 19: 30
    +1
    for a long time, Ukrainian pilots will have to fly on Soviet fighters

    It is unlikely that what the Sumerians have left will last for any long time.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 13 March 2021 20: 12
      +8
      It is unlikely that an adequate pilot will climb into the cockpit of the device, which had exhausted its resource even before its birth and on which routine maintenance was last carried out in that bright time when this flag was flying in Ukraine.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 13 March 2021 20: 53
        +2
        Quote: Captive
        It is unlikely that an adequate pilot will climb into the cockpit of the device, which had exhausted its resource even before its birth and on which routine maintenance was last carried out in that bright time,

        Do not pump. The relationship with the Russian Federation among the ancient Sumerians worsened only in 2014, respectively, maintenance work could not be carried out only for the last 7 years ... and when the last time the engines or other equipment were changed, we do not know ...
        Due to the lack of kerosene, many aircraft did not fly, as in the Russian Federation in the 90s, which saved the aircraft's resource ...
  7. wow
    wow 13 March 2021 19: 37
    +4
    "... almost exhausted their resource ...". Not "almost", but completely and for a long time.
  8. Kushka
    Kushka 13 March 2021 19: 41
    -8
    I applaud! Smiles at me too (sad)
    such a "bifurcation" for some,
    As in the dust - so all these naglo-Saxons,
    mattress makers and the whole geyrope, BUT so that there were
    audi, kandy, iPhones, windows, 3-4-5 ji.
    As Ukrainians, there is no such people, there is no language
    and there is no such land, BUT THE FIRST BREAKERS
    THE PLANET IS UKRAINIANS (and all
    years of birth - from 1910 to 2020) - ALL!
    And do not feed bread - let me neigh.
    Well, they neigh, so what?
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 13 March 2021 21: 08
      0
      Quote: Kushka
      I applaud! Smiles at me too (sad)
      such a "bifurcation" for some,
      As in the dust - so all these naglo-Saxons,
      mattress makers and the whole geyrope, BUT so that there were
      audi, kandy, iPhones, windows, 3-4-5 ji.
      China to help us ...
      Almost all household appliances, electronics, consumer goods and cars are made outside the United States and the EU in China, Southeast Asia ... and so on and so on. It remains only to design bureaus, where technology is being developed to transfer - for example, to Russia ... yes
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 13 March 2021 21: 15
        -2
        In some ways you are right. Although on the next branch
        saw a chart of world GDP - USA -24,
        China -16 - together 40%, although the chart
        (circular) is drawn so that everything from 12-00
        until 18-00 is busy with these two and looks like
        like all 50%. Next Germany 6, France 5,
        Italy 4 - well, in short, they are doing something.
        Well, Russia is -1,98%.
        1. nnm
          nnm 13 March 2021 22: 04
          +9
          But there is one caveat - this is a diagram taking into account the non-industrial sector. If you remove the financial segment, then everything changes very dramatically.
          1. bk316
            bk316 15 March 2021 13: 21
            0
            GDP without finance at PPP
            1 PRC
            2India
            3 USA
            4 RF

            But we are talking about 404, no matter how you count it, it is still not visible on the chart laughing
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 13 March 2021 21: 13
      +2
      Quote: Kushka
      As Ukrainians, there is no such people, there is no language
      and there is no such land, BUT THE FIRST BREAKERS
      THE PLANET IS UKRAINIANS (and all
      years of birth - from 1910 to 2020) - ALL!
      Well, they neigh, so what?
      UKRAINIAN - the psychological state of the Russian person, expressed in the form of the DENIAL OF EVERYTHING RUSSIAN (even himself as such). Very contagious ... sad
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 13 March 2021 22: 07
        -4
        Minusists get ready!
        There is a Ukrainian joke:
        Concentration camp, build, German- through one-
        gas chamber, firing squad, gas chamber, firing squad.
        Raised hand - what do you want? Tovaryshu nimets, skiky
        Is it possible for a gas chamber, a seasonal gas chamber?
        So, immediately after the annexation of Ukraine in 1654
        year, Tsar Alexei gave it to Poland (after 6 years).
        Immediately after the "annexation" of Ukraine in 1918
        Muravyov, Lenin on the Riga Treaty of 1921
        gave it to Poland (also paid extra)
        Again after the "annexation" of Ukraine by Stalin
        in 1939, EBN in 1991 gave it to Poland (yes, yes to Poland,
        all of Ukraine then ate Polish food and stood in Poland with
        lathe chucks, 72 (!!!) drills, cutters, corkscrews,
        with tin keys on newspapers on the grass)
        So comrade Russian, skoko you can, zavchora Poland,
        vchora Poland, seogodni Poland (NATO)?
        Not tired of attaching-giving?
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 14 March 2021 01: 16
          +3
          Quote: Kushka
          EBN in 1991 gave it to Poland (yes, yes to Poland,
          all of Ukraine then ate Polish food and stood in Poland with
          lathe chucks, 72 (!!!) drills, cutters, corkscrews,
          with tin keys on newspapers on the grass)
          ?
          And the brand of which country was on those instruments ???
          I will answer myself ... "made in the USSR" - made in USSR fellow (if I understood you correctly, and the people of Ukraine were selling those instruments ...)
          1. Kushka
            Kushka 14 March 2021 18: 34
            0
            Immediately after the Pushcha (1991-1994), it was en masse.
            Corkscrews, bottle openers - in general, all hardware, mined
            in boxes - in oil, in packages and shipped to Poland.
            Well, this, from the household stores and their warehouses, is still understandable, more
            and less. But here's the industrial equipment - vice, lathe chucks,
            drills for 57 or more with a special sharpener, cutters - that's all
            perlos from factories! And all this abundance lay in kilometers
            on the grass. Poles walked importantly, poked and contemptuously
            extinguished the price. After all, they understood that once they broke through for bribes
            with this product, the second time (back) these sellers will not drag it.
            Again, they knew it was all stolen. And they ruled the ball.
            And now, having "earned" any "pennies", the "migrant workers" suddenly
            discovered another attack - in the bus they hired, while
            they traded, brothers were sitting (their own, Ukrainians). Ultimatum-
            or a share, or the bus will be left without tires and glasses. Little of,
            having already bought off the brothers in the bazaar and escaped from Poland,
            they were often attacked again, right on the track. But even this way
            full of humiliation, very few people stopped. Moreover, seeing how
            the neighbor "healed" after two or three trips, the fourth time went with him
            already five. They brought everything - irons, drills, cutters, scythes. And these damn dollars
            - ones, twos, fives - all in ink marks, dies - steel
            icon. They bought rotten cadets, places in the market, they
            paid off from tax officers, cops, border guards ... and became
            "businessmen". The limit of happiness - a tour to Turkey and Mers.
            And this is not a moment - this is a long, bright page in history
            Ukraine in the 90s.
        2. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 14 March 2021 01: 25
          +1
          Quote: Kushka
          Minusists get ready!
          There is a Ukrainian joke:

          Not tired of attaching-giving?
          Let Lvov, Ternopil, Stanislavov (Ivano-Frankivsk before 1939) can "return to their homeland" - Poland.
          Even Kiev and the "western bank of the Dnieper" in the vicinity of Kiev may "roll like a Kolobok" in the EU (We do not mind the inhabitants of Europe ...), BUT BUT and again BUT - New Russia returns to his homeland - Russia. yes
        3. poquello
          poquello 14 March 2021 02: 14
          +1
          Quote: Kushka
          So, immediately after the annexation of Ukraine in 1654
          year, Tsar Alexei gave it to Poland (after 6 years).
          Immediately after the "annexation" of Ukraine in 1918

          here's a map of where is Poland?
          1. Kushka
            Kushka 14 March 2021 19: 02
            0
            Vilna truce - a truce concluded during the Russian-Polish war of 1654-1667 on November 3 (October 24) 1656 in the city of Vilna, proposed by the Commonwealth and accepted by Russia. Had mutually beneficial terms and strategic results
            This is immediately after the Pereyaslav Rada (1654) - do you see Poland, or not?
            Riga Peace Treaty of 1921 - an agreement between the RSFSR (for itself and under the authority of the government of the BSSR), the Ukrainian SSR on the one hand, and the Polish Republic - on the other [1].
            And this is right after 1918. Is Poland here or not?
            The Polish Republic acquired vast territories east of the Curzon Line, with a predominance of the non-Polish population
            The Soviet side agreed to return the war booty, all scientific and cultural values ​​exported from the territory of the Kingdom of Poland from January 1, 1772 to the Polish Republic, and also pledged to pay Poland 30 million gold rubles within a year for the contribution of the Kingdom of Poland to the economic life of the Russian Empire and transfer the Polish side of the property in the amount of 18 million gold rubles, that is, to pay de facto reparations [3]. The Polish Republic was relieved of responsibility for the debts and other obligations of the former Russian Empire.

            Well, and the fact that Poland did not go anywhere in 1991, I think, you will not deny.
            1. poquello
              poquello 15 March 2021 02: 48
              0
              Quote: Kushka
              This is immediately after Pereyaslavskaya Rada

              and where did 100 years as a province of the Russian Empire fall?
              1. Kushka
                Kushka 15 March 2021 12: 28
                0
                See the title of the Russian emperor:
                Emperor of All Russia, Tsar of Poland and the Grand Duke of Finland.
                So is it the king of Poland, or not?
                Could he be the king of a state that does not exist (in your opinion)?
                Those. there was Poland and there was the head of state of Poland - the king of Poland.
                For which, in fact, Poland and stripped Lenin, as sticky.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 16 March 2021 01: 43
                  +2
                  Quote: Kushka
                  See the title of the Russian emperor:
                  Emperor of All Russia, Tsar of Poland and the Grand Duke of Finland.
                  So is it the king of Poland, or not?
                  Could he be the king of a state that does not exist (in your opinion)?
                  Those. there was Poland and there was the head of state of Poland - the king of Poland.
                  For which, in fact, Poland and stripped Lenin, as sticky.

                  have you .. taken away the internet?
                  The state is an independent organization with sovereignty, special management and enforcement mechanisms, and establishing a legal order in a certain territory.
                  1. Kushka
                    Kushka 16 March 2021 12: 39
                    0
                    And what about the Internet?
                    The cuckoo flew 12 thousand km, 16 countries, from Zambia
                    to Mongolia across the Indian Ocean! Our ancestors
                    (Vikings, Columbus, Maggelans) also knew how. And now
                    in the cockpit of a car or fighter plane, dozens of instruments and screens,
                    and even an autopilot, and a person only with legs and arms
                    jerks. And the smartphone will lose and faint.
                    But as a matter of fact, let's not cling to formalities.
                    We know very well that Ukraine is one of the
                    the founders of the UN, the entire period of the USSR there in this status
                    met. And this is without its own foreign ministry,
                    Ministry of Defense .....
                    I am not a historian, I do not know what was there in Poland when it
                    the Russian emperor was the king. And about Finland,
                    You know, she had everything that you listed.
                    So in essence, I was just defending my point of view,
                    that in all cases of rejection of Ukraine, Russia one way or
                    otherwise she took part. Well, it did not pass WITHOUT HER
                    participation!
                    In the end, it's the same with the Baltics - good yourself
                    we feel (1939-40) - we add, got sick (1990) -
                    disconnect.
                    In the case of Ukraine, this was the case, both after 1654, and after 1914,
                    both in 1921 and in 1991. Well, I don’t need to prove that
                    every time Russia was so far, so far, so busy,
                    Well, I didn't take any part at all.
                    Again "they are not there"?
                    Then in all the pipes - one people - Russian, one land - Russian,
                    but as that, so "we were not there."
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 16 March 2021 18: 48
                      0
                      Quote: Kushka
                      We know very well that Ukraine is one of the
                      creators of the United Nations

                      so read the abbreviation))))))))))))))))))))
                      Quote: Kushka
                      And about Finland,
                      You know, she had everything that you listed.

                      near the Swedish colony of Finland? )
                      Quote: Kushka
                      it's the same with the Baltics - good yourself
                      we feel (1939-40) - we add, got sick (1990) -
                      disconnect.

                      you are either young or you are from somewhere not from here
                      Quote: Kushka
                      Well, I don't need to prove that
                      every time Russia was so far away

                      what does it have to do with it? this territory was occupied by "friends", then it was returned
                      1. Kushka
                        Kushka 16 March 2021 18: 56
                        +1
                        Persuaded, let me be "from somewhere not from here."
                        And here is the anecdote:
                        The husband came drunk, and the wife decided - we'll figure it out in the morning.
                        At 2 o'clock in the morning I woke up - there was a noise in the kitchen.
                        I went in, and my husband opens the refrigerator door - Chef,
                        will you take you to the airport? And again.
                        Again, I decided not to mess with the drunk.
                        In the morning I got up - no husband, no refrigerator!
                        - From the bastard, persuaded the same!
  9. agoran
    agoran 13 March 2021 19: 42
    +2
    How?
    The C-t is towed along the taxiway, in the dark with ANOs turned on, how can you enter it?
    It is forbidden to travel by personal transport on taxiways and runways.
    Acting deputy squadron commander for IAS, there is generally a full bottom. Should lead subordinates, and he himself violates.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 March 2021 20: 26
      +1
      Quote: agoran
      How?
      The C-t is towed along the taxiway, in the dark with ANOs turned on, how can you enter it?

      Well, if you shout "Glory to Ukraine" at the same time, then you can. And enter, and destroy, and maybe even receive a reward for showing that on the ground planes are vulnerable and you need to watch, watch, ... well, somehow there.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 14 March 2021 10: 49
      0
      Quote: agoran
      The C-t is towed along the taxiway, in the dark with ANOs turned on, how can you enter it?

      I still can't figure out why the plane caught fire. The engines were turned off, the plane was towed. To ignite cold kerosene in cold weather, you need to try very hard. Or the car caught fire, and from it already litak. So, it seems, this "kamikaze" was not burned, but only got off with a beaten face. request
  10. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 13 March 2021 19: 43
    0
    This is more good than bad.
    For the more such incidents now, the brighter the sky will become in the future.
  11. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 13 March 2021 19: 49
    +1
    "... therefore, for a long time, Ukrainian pilots will have to fly on Soviet fighters ..."
    Yeah. Very long time. Until the aircraft expires. There are already 50 hours left on board. Not more. So the "Ukrainian pilots" will have very little time left to fly. And then they will be listed as pilots and fly only from the bunk to the floor.
  12. dimy44
    dimy44 13 March 2021 19: 55
    +1
    "today they have about 85 Soviet-made fighters in their composition" - I think that for 1 worker 2-3 donors, maybe more.
  13. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 13 March 2021 19: 58
    +10
    there were 2 districts in Ukraine .. KODVO AND KKVO. these were the most powerful districts. 2 air armies were based in Ukraine. 5 air army, and 17 air army. after the collapse of the USSR, the Ukrainian Air Force was one of the three strongest air forces in the world.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 13 March 2021 20: 11
      +1
      But weren't there three districts on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR?
      1. bobba94
        bobba94 13 March 2021 20: 20
        +5
        Third - Transcarpathian VO
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 13 March 2021 20: 57
        -1
        Quote: Sergej1972
        But weren't there three districts on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR?

        KKVO
        the largest...
        а
        KODVO
        also captured the MSSR ...
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 13 March 2021 21: 04
          +1
          Above, the user has already written that there was also the Carpathian region.
      3. The comment was deleted.
  14. Poor
    Poor 13 March 2021 20: 01
    -9
    Quote: 210ox
    Unite? After May 2, 2014, I do not want to have anything to do even with the citizens of Odessa.

    to tear, to break it is not to build, you are not a creator, my friend, do you want to fight? glory to heroes laughing
    1. agoran
      agoran 13 March 2021 20: 16
      +2
      You have not written correctly.
      That's right: heroes of fat! By the way, Square buys lard in Poland, Germany and the Russian Federation. Sic transit gloria mundi. Something like this.
      On the subject: the faster the Lviv and Odessa ARPs are bent, the better for the Russian Federation.
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 13 March 2021 20: 42
      +1
      Sirota3, do not distort. The person explained to you in Russian that after the events of May 2, he personally does not want to have anything to do with these people. I support this person, fully and understand. What did you all put together in a heap3 - "creation", "war3" and "glory to heroes"? Such a psychology is only in common people. When there is nothing to object, they begin to wag their backs and twist.
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 13 March 2021 21: 03
      +2
      These are Bandeva never creators. To destroy, burn and kill is all of them. So fly with glory. She is a bad glory for Bandera.
  15. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 13 March 2021 20: 04
    +3
    Yes, it seems that the officer's drift failed. No.
  16. Alien From
    Alien From 13 March 2021 20: 09
    +1
    This is how they are preparing for the purchases of F35 .....
  17. Poor
    Poor 13 March 2021 20: 12
    -7
    Quote: 210ox
    Unite? After May 2, 2014, I do not want to have anything to do even with the citizens of Odessa.

  18. evgen1221
    evgen1221 13 March 2021 20: 23
    0
    Present the carrier to the reward and trick the Sumerians through the mid-lane about the fact that if this hero wants to move to the Russian Federation, he will have a fur coat from the royal shoulder. But you shouldn't even be allowed to work close to the airfields)))
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 13 March 2021 20: 44
      +2
      This is a thought. I'm afraid that after such a "reward" - the drivers will kill all their planes, at the airfields)
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 14 March 2021 05: 07
        +1
        As soon as they kill, we will increase the difficulty of obtaining carrots))), let them take up other weapons. )))
  19. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 March 2021 20: 34
    0
    All the same, the first place is occupied by an American who piloted his B52 in fighter aircraft, this one is second.
  20. Simargl
    Simargl 13 March 2021 20: 55
    +1
    for a long time, Ukrainian pilots will have to fly on Soviet fighters.
    Stop lying!!!! How will they buy the F-35, and how will they start flying on it !!!
    1. agoran
      agoran 13 March 2021 21: 08
      0
      Ivan Tsarevich saw the Princess in a crystal coffin and how he began to marry her, once, twice, three married. The frog asks him, why don't you kiss on the lips?
      = Stupid galley? Follow me 33 heroes in line.
      Well, like about the F-35. The Jews have bought, but the penguins are already refusing.
  21. Shah909
    Shah909 13 March 2021 20: 59
    -1
    I am surprised by the fact, where did the bureaucrats look during the collapse of the USSR, when they left 500 fighters there? How could you agree so? Just pip ...... It's full. How much goods were stolen then? This has not been and will not be anywhere and never.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 13 March 2021 21: 10
      +1
      Quote: Shah909
      where did the bureaucrats look during the collapse of the USSR
      The same place as with the Tu-160.
      1. agoran
        agoran 13 March 2021 21: 27
        +3
        Well, EMNIP, some boards were distilled to the Russian Federation, others offered to buy from the Sumerians (the deal was profitable for them) refused. And sho in the end?
        As always, the servants from the outskirts crap, and the production of new Tu-160s has been launched in the Russian Federation.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 14 March 2021 00: 42
          0
          Quote: agoran
          some boards were distilled to the Russian Federation
          8 pcs. 10 sawed. 9 was on the territory of Russia.
    2. Kushka
      Kushka 13 March 2021 21: 51
      +4
      Well, how can you really confuse everything!
      Some write - Ukraine of the period of the USSR - 0,5%
      population of the world, 5% of world GDP!
      Others - Ukraine 500 fighters!
      It will be right - USSR produced
      on the territory of Ukraine 5% of world GDP.

      The USSR deployed on the territory of Ukraine 500
      fighters!

      Actually, Ukraine is in some way here, if
      Is Russia today -1,98% of world GDP?
      1. nnm
        nnm 13 March 2021 22: 08
        +1
        You get mixed up in one pile of many disparate factors. 1. In the USSR, GDP (as we now understand it) was considered differently, with a repeated counting of added value. 2. In those years, there was no such non-industrial sector, for example, modern giants such as Google, etc. 3. If you now remove the non-industrial sector from the United States, then Russia will reduce the gap by several times.
        1. Kushka
          Kushka 13 March 2021 22: 22
          0
          Am I interrupting. I'm not at all a supporter of catching up and
          overtake and generally hate competition
          since childhood - NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT ME
          ASSESSMENT- Was very difficult at school.
          My credo is that there is a sparrow, and he absolutely does not care,
          what the elephant thinks about it. HE IS THE SAME CREATION
          GOD, and he is good in his status - AND THIS IS HIS
          STATUS!
          Let these USA draw at least 387% of world GDP for themselves.
          But remember about 500 fighters ...
          Well, someone said very correctly - and these people
          will teach me not to pick my nose?
          1. nnm
            nnm 13 March 2021 22: 31
            +1
            Quote: Kushka
            Well, someone said very correctly - and these people
            will teach me not to pick my nose?

            "With your fingers, with your fingers, catch fleas! With your fingers!
            I don't understand: where do you only get them from? Sharikov: Well, do I breed them, or what? Apparently fleas love me. "
            And the assessments ... we do not live in a vacuum and anyone with whom we come across in correspondence communication, society gives us an assessment according to its own criteria.
            And when someone believes that only his opinion has the right to exist and only it matters, then this is not so. We all interact with each other. And everyone's opinion is the same. In addition to specialized issues.
            1. Kushka
              Kushka 13 March 2021 22: 39
              -1
              Well, okay, someone would mention in passing in the text,
              still happens, of course.
              BUT have you seen the TITLE of this article?
              (Here BEFORE the water was! WET!)
              So I say - and these people are still fighting
              for the title ... (C)
              1. nnm
                nnm 13 March 2021 22: 51
                +1
                Colleague, VO just quoted a well-known international publication:
                1. Kushka
                  Kushka 13 March 2021 23: 02
                  -5
                  This is stated in the title and I noticed it.
                  And I can only repeat - and these people ...
                  Well then, let them already write about the GDR-
                  "but before the VSVG counted .....
                  and for all positions ... And today in
                  all of Germany, only a few hundred
                  tanks, a lot of them are broken "
                  So what? Well, let IN this nonsense
                  will definitely bring you here!
      2. poquello
        poquello 14 March 2021 02: 35
        0
        Quote: Kushka
        Is Russia today -1,98% of world GDP?

        ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) What the hell is Italy, France?
        ranking of countries by size of real economy
        China - 10,6%
        India - 3,4%
        USA - 3,2%
        Japan - 1,6%
        Russia - 1,4%
        Brazil - 1,2%
        Germany - 1,1%
        Great Britain - 0,6%
        https://evg-berg.livejournal.com/11443.html
  22. Alexey G
    Alexey G 13 March 2021 21: 48
    0
    And what is there to lament then? It only makes us better! There will be less flights to Donbass. These guys went to the West! Why do they need 500 planes, especially Soviet ones? This is the enemy's weapon! So they think! At least those in power.
    The West needs a new colony and slaves! Does the author want a strong Ukraine? Able to stand up for itself without the West, or capable of hanging NATO? Game. Ukaina is no longer a state! This is a parody, or better to say papier mâché under which a threat to Us!
    And this threat is the West!
  23. TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 13 March 2021 21: 54
    +2
    Don't scold the warrior like that. Maybe he still thought that the insidious "enemy" in the person of the Russian Federation had already won and insolently began to land planes on the airfield, but did not see the insignia at night and went to ram ..., committed "self-sacrifice". And you immediately "drunk", but how so. Incidentally, this may be the first combat aircraft shot down by a ram. Maybe not the first, but this is the first time I've seen this
    1. iouris
      iouris 13 March 2021 22: 58
      +2
      Yes, if he had not been drunk, he could have destroyed at least a flight of aircraft. A shame!
  24. Oleg Samsonov
    Oleg Samsonov 13 March 2021 23: 29
    0
    Losing a plane in an accident is in Ukrainian
  25. good
    good 13 March 2021 23: 42
    +1
    Quote: Kaman
    And to lose 2 fighters in non-combat conditions during the Mediterranean campaign "Kuzi"? And what about the first serial SU-57? We see a speck in someone else's eye, but we don't notice a log in our own ...

    Kuzya and his combat wing carried out a combat mission, or something, and the first serial for that and the first serial, died during execution, so to speak, and not from a car ramming on the ground.
    In both cases, important experience was obtained, in contrast to the blunt destruction of a combat unit.
  26. Kushka
    Kushka 14 March 2021 00: 58
    0
    I support. There is no need to interfere in a heap of carelessness and
    combat work in aviation.
    Major Gritsevets sat down on the move, without making a circle over the airfield. He sat down, as expected, next to the lined with burning lanterns, according to the rules strictly against the wind, landing "T". After landing, he did not direct his plane to the parking lot, but taxied to the neutral strip, apparently fearing a collision in the dark with the planes of his comrades who were landing. Having taxied from the side of the neutral strip to the landing "T", Gritsevets asked the officer on duty at the airfield, Lieutenant Arsentiev: "Have the planes all landed or not?" At this time, Major PI Khara's fighter began to land on the neutral zone. Trying to get away from the I-16 rushing towards him, Gritsevets gave full throttle, but it was too late. Khara was seriously injured, and Gritsevets was cut off by a screw blow [8].
    This is how the Twice Hero died, who was introduced
    to these awards BEFORE they began to be presented
    (Spain and Khalkhin Gol) and could not even see them.
    And this is also aviation.
  27. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 14 March 2021 01: 10
    -2
    There is no need to say about Ukraine that they have a poor army.
    Military budget 2021 - $ 9,4 billion. since 2014, an increase in dollars by 6 times.
    Surely whoever changes their fleet to the F-35 will throw off the old F-16 and others.
  28. Kunica
    Kunica 14 March 2021 02: 22
    +1
    It is, what kind of personal car has so rotated titanium nozzles?
  29. savage1976
    savage1976 14 March 2021 04: 03
    +1
    It is necessary to award the driver of the car with the Order of the Russian Order of Merit to the Fatherland.
  30. Evil 55
    Evil 55 14 March 2021 05: 07
    +1
    The more it beats on the ground, the fewer vultures there will be in the sky ..
  31. sgr291158
    sgr291158 14 March 2021 06: 37
    +2
    Normally, the man puffed up.
  32. Misha_an26
    Misha_an26 14 March 2021 18: 36
    +1
    Tu 160-19 pieces, especially a pity. The flight crew was crying. (When cut)
  33. Consul
    Consul 16 March 2021 15: 06
    +18
    Ukraine is losing the last

    Ukraine has already lost everything it can. And most importantly, she lost her honor.
    1. Oleg Shlyapin
      Oleg Shlyapin 16 March 2021 23: 33
      0
      Ukraine did not lose its honor. Unlike RF
  34. Eirik Krause
    Eirik Krause 16 March 2021 21: 08
    0
    fighters are not needed there: the Ukrainian people are successfully destroying their own leadership
  35. King3214
    King3214 16 March 2021 22: 11
    0
    And what is the average age of a "Ukrainian combat aircraft"?
  36. Oleg Shlyapin
    Oleg Shlyapin 16 March 2021 23: 30
    -2
    Well, let's start with the fact that Ukraine is repairing its aircraft fleet and by 2025 will complete the modernization, repair and reengineering of the entire existing aircraft fleet of the Air Force, consisting of 282 Soviet-made aircraft. Combat aircraft consist of Su-24, Su-25, Su-27 and MiG-29 machines and comprise about 120 units. Transport and special aviation, equipped with a wide range of aircraft An-30, Il-76MD, An-26 and helicopters of the Mi-8 type, and combat training aircraft from the L-39 of Czechoslovak production. The work is carried out by the forces of aircraft repair plants. located in Kiev, Odessa, Nikolaev, Lvov. Some of the MiG-29 aircraft are being repaired with the involvement of Israeli companies.

    Since 2021, the first 3 military transport An-178s for the Ukrainian Air Force have been ordered at Antonov. Work is underway to replace Russian components for the An-74 TK200, which is a military transport version of the aircraft. Options for purchasing new foreign-made fighters are being considered. Among them are the American F-15, F-16, F-35 and the Swedish SAAB J-39. The latter is the most affordable. It is planned to purchase new combat aircraft in the amount of UAH 200 billion at the rate of UAH 28 / dollar. The planes are planned to be purchased in the period 2025-2035 in the amount of 90 to 110 units. Previously, the option of buying Chinese L-15s was considered, but they were abandoned. Also, the option of purchasing 20 Brazilian-made Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano aircraft was considered as light attack aircraft. Negotiations are underway with Boeing on the possible localization of the production of F / A-18 Hornet military aircraft at the Antonov plant. Work is underway to create an import substitution of the An-70 version with representatives of American and European companies - a new version of the An-77 and the creation of a new An-188 military transport aircraft jointly with Turkey.

    Currently, there is a procurement of helicopters of the Airbus company in the amount of 45 machines for the needs of the State Border Service, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Emergency Situations. It is also planned in Odessa in the summer of 2021 to release the first licensed Bell helicopter to replace the Mi-8. Work is underway on light combat helicopters based on the MSB-2 and the new Cyborg helicopter.

    The first 6 were purchased from Turkey, and 6 more Bayraktar TB2 UAV complexes will be purchased this year. In the future, their number is planned to be increased to 50 units. This year, Ukraine will receive a marine version of the drone. The option of transferring the production of this UAV to Ukraine is being considered. Also in KB "Luch" the Ukrainian strike UAV "Sokol-300" has been developed, work is underway on various types of small unmanned reconnaissance aircraft and drones, including combat ones.

    In 2025, it is planned to begin rearmament and replacement of air defense systems of various classes by forces of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau (Dnepr-1 long-range air defense systems), Luch Design Bureau (Medium-range air defense systems based on the Alder-M missile element base for the Smerch MLRS) and the Artyom enterprise (based on the R-27 aircraft missiles). A set of works has been carried out to establish the production and modernization of the R-27, X-29, X-58 aircraft missiles, a new supersonic aircraft Molniya-1 missile has been developed with a flight range of up to 110 km (Yuzhnoye design bureau) and work is underway on an aircraft version subsonic cruise missile "Neptune" with a flight range of 250-300 km.

    A number of Ukrainian enterprises, including Iskra and Arsenal, have begun production of new radars. Among them, such as "Zbruch" with a target detection range of up to 650 km
  37. Oleg Shlyapin
    Oleg Shlyapin 16 March 2021 23: 48
    0
    For the development of helicopter production in Ukraine in 2021, $ 4 billion was allocated at an average annual rate of UAH 29,2 / $
  38. Maks winter
    Maks winter 17 March 2021 14: 28
    0
    At the end of 1991, after the collapse of the USSR, strategic groupings of troops (forces) remained on the territory of Ukraine, consisting of three military districts (Transcarpathian, Kiev and Odessa), as well as the Black Sea Fleet. On the territory of Ukraine were deployed 3 combined arms and 2 tank armies, an army corps, four air armies, a separate air defense army, a missile army, the Black Sea Fleet of the RSRS, two nodes of the missile attack warning system, and other military formations.

    The total number of personnel was more than 800 thousand. Servicemen; 6,5 thousand units of tanks (T-64, T-72, T-80), more than 7 thousand units of armored infantry and airborne vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMD-1, BMD-2), more than 1,5 thousand aircraft (fighters Su-27, MiG-29; attack aircraft Su-24M, Su-25, strategic bombers 25 Tu-95MS and 19 Tu-160 reconnaissance Su-24MR, military transport aircraft, etc.), helicopters (attack Mi-24, multipurpose Mi-8, etc.), 350 ships, 1272 nuclear warheads of intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    In addition, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were left with a huge amount of the most modern weapons and military equipment at that time, in particular: command armored vehicles (mobile reconnaissance and control points of tactical level units, mobile command and observation posts), reconnaissance armored vehicles (BRDM-2, BRM - 1K), self-propelled artillery mounts (2S1 "Carnation", 2S3 "Akatsia", 2S5 "Hyacinth-S", 2S7 "Peony", 2S9 "Nona", etc.), guns (2A36 "Hyacinth-B", 2A65 Msta-B, MT-12 Rapier, D-30, etc.), multiple launch rocket systems (9K55 Grad-1, BM-21 Grad, 9K57 Uragan, 9K58 Smerch) , tactical missile systems (9K79-1 Tochka-U), radar stations, air defense systems (anti-aircraft missile systems Buk M-1, S-200V, S-300PT, etc.), engineering equipment, automotive equipment ( KrAZ-257, MAZ-537, KAMAZ 4310, ZIL-131, ZIL-135, UAZ-3151, etc.), special food service equipment, service equipment for fuels and lubricants fishing, medical equipment, mortars (2B9 "Vasilek", 2S12 "Sani"), various types of small arms, heavy infantry weapons (machine guns, automatic grenade launchers, anti-tank grenade launchers, anti-tank rocket systems, rocket-propelled flame throwers, etc.), portable systems Air defense, ammunition (artillery and small arms, aviation bombs, grenades, warheads and explosive components of guided (unguided) missiles and shells, land mines and land mines, sea mines, torpedoes, depth bombs, explosives and dust, capsule, fuses, explosive components and other ammunition accessories).

    In addition, a huge amount of inventory items across the entire range of military equipment were stored at storage bases and corresponding reserve warehouses.

    The total cost of military equipment, according to some experts, was approximately 89 billion US dollars, which is a conservative estimate, because according to data published in the media on the volume of arms sales from Ukraine, only by the end of 1994 Ukraine exported weapons and military equipment worth 32 billion US dollars, and considering the amount of weapons and military equipment that was lost and / or exported during 4-1995, the value of the above military equipment could reach more than 2014 billion US dollars. Now it is not possible to check the real total cost of military equipment that was assigned to the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR, but such, albeit an approximate estimate, is necessary to understand the scale of theft in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    In 1991, Ukraine was a nuclear power, having received the third nuclear arsenal after the United States and the Russian Federation. It was based on five divisions of the 43rd Missile Army of the former USSR. The Ukrainian army was armed with stationary strategic complexes in mines (UR-100N and RT-23 UTTH missiles) and mobile missile systems (Pioneer "Pioneer-UTTH"). In general, Ukraine had 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    The missile systems control system was centralized. The combat control center was located on the territory of the Russian Federation. Ukraine also had 2500 tactical nuclear weapons. Ukrainian missile engineers inherited from the USSR the P-300 operational-tactical complexes with a range of up to 300 km and the Tochka and Tochka-U tactical complexes with a firing range of 70 - 120 km. They could carry tactical nuclear warheads of low and medium power. The Air Force was armed with 44 strategic bombers (25 Tu-95MS and 19 Tu-160), which could carry nuclear weapons. For example, the Tu-160 is a supersonic strategic bomber - a carrier of cruise nuclear missiles, including up to 12 X-55 units with a 200 kilogram nuclear charge and a target range of up to 3 thousand kilometers. Given the combat radius of the Tu-160 in 6000 km.

    According to the interim commission of inquiry of the Supreme Council of Ukraine ...

    not bad so ...
  39. Diverter
    Diverter 17 March 2021 21: 59
    +3
    originally from the Ukrainian SSR. Who would give some money (transport, food, relocation, equipment, and there are secluded places to stay) and help with weapons (you need a 7,62 caliber machine gun with a silencer, any of our production, grenades, bikfor.cord, etc., etc. ) in that territory.
    would take out all the remaining strike aircraft from them.
    we were well taught to destroy enemy airfields, I remember everything))). and they will not think of a 50 year old uncle))))))
    1. Oleg Shlyapin
      Oleg Shlyapin 17 March 2021 23: 47
      0
      You tie up with alcohol, otherwise the squirrels will soon start visiting in the morning.
      1. Diverter
        Diverter 20 March 2021 01: 03
        +1
        30% of the air force attack aircraft on the outskirts of the Su 25's are in Melitopol in the location of the former TECh and the second squadron. 25th shelf.
        There is also 50% BTA and 10% MIG 29.
        From the house of my former summer cottage, it can be seen almost perfectly.
        The nuances at other active airfields on the outskirts are also known to me.
        Of which there are only 6 pieces.
        It is not necessary to blow up planes.
        A short burst into the engine through the air intake is sufficient
        Well, I handle RUSSIAN weapons very well)
  40. LOCOMOTIVE VL60 LOCOMOTIVE VL82
    LOCOMOTIVE VL60 LOCOMOTIVE VL82 April 20 2021 16: 53
    0
    How many presidents have already been replaced by Ukraine during the time of independence, Ukraine is apparently unable to maintain its army.