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NSDC Secretary of Ukraine: Russia, together with the Chinese, is trying to seize the Motor Sich enterprise

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Photo from the "Motor Sich" plant



Ukrainian officials are making new statements about the fate of the Motor Sich enterprise, in which Chinese companies have invested, which ended up under sanctions from Kiev. Recall that not so long ago, information appeared in the Ukrainian media with reference to high-ranking officials of Ukraine, where it was noted that the Motor Sich plant was expected to be nationalized. After that, the Chinese companies - the shareholders of the enterprise - sent letters to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, as well as to the National Security and Defense Council, demanding that they refuse nationalization, otherwise threatening to sue.

Now NSDC Secretary Alexei Danilov said literally the following:

The very word "nationalization" is not correct here. At the meetings of the National Security and Defense Council this word did not sound at all, no such decisions were made. I didn't say it at the briefing either. There were completely different words. We are in a state of information war in Russia, which, together with the Chinese, is trying to seize the Motor Sich enterprise. She has a lot to do with this.

According to the NSDC secretary, this is what leads to a "negative perception of nationalization."

And after Danilov added that "the enterprise will be returned to the ownership of the Ukrainian people."

Typical post-Maidan logic of a Ukrainian official. The word “nationalization” allegedly did not sound, but it was immediately added that “nationalization was perceived badly” and that the enterprise would be transferred to “people's property”. It turns out that there are plans for nationalization, but now Danilov is trying to add to this Russia, which has nothing to do with the Ukrainian-Chinese deal on the Motor Sich plant. What kind of "information war" in this case are we talking about, if publications about nationalization were made by the Ukrainian media with reference to Ukrainian officials, and now they are openly confirmed by Danilov, who is foolishly trying to play around ...

Recall that sanctions against Chinese companies that are shareholders of the Ukrainian plant were introduced at the suggestion of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine by President Volodymyr Zelensky.
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  1. faterdom
    faterdom 13 March 2021 16: 52
    +13
    Russian and Chinese are brothers now.
    Unfortunately.
    Thrown by the Ukrainians.
    But those will have a chance to make sure that a scammer is tempting here and now, but in the long run - a very unprofitable policy.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 13 March 2021 17: 02
      -82%
      Quote: faterdom
      Russian and Chinese are brothers now.
      Unfortunately.
      Thrown by Ukrainians

      This is when and where Ukraine "threw" Russia?
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 13 March 2021 17: 11
        +25
        When? Where? In Katmanda! wassat
      2. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 13 March 2021 17: 38
        +22
        "Ukraine" "threw" Russia with its appearance on the world map. There has never been such a country and there cannot be. It has always been the outskirts of Russia, where all sorts of obscenely called pieces fled. Someone turned into "Cossacks" (a kind of land privateers), someone fed these "privateers". In short, anarchist education on the border of the empire. It was necessary to keep some kind of cordon sanitaire from "European civilization", that is, cloaca.
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          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 13 March 2021 19: 03
            +25
            More specifically, please. What does Crimea and Donbass have to do with Ukraine? And in general, what is Ukraine? When did you appear, with whom did you fight, what did you do in history? I will be immensely glad if you show me the coins / banknotes of ukraine, issued, say, before 1850.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 13 March 2021 20: 30
              +10
              Quote: Stroibat stock
              I would be immensely glad if you show me the coins / banknotes of ukraine, issued, say, before 1850.

              Yes, even before 1917, it would be interesting to look.
              1. Reserve buildbat
                Reserve buildbat 13 March 2021 20: 55
                +6
                Good evening to you hi It seemed like there were some drawings of a madman from 1916. I do not want to discuss nonsense and open lies, so I give my opponent a chance to escape before they start beating him. Apparently, this one got it. smile
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 14 March 2021 12: 04
                  +3
                  All ukrochinovniki have amazing "eyesight": they "see" Russia everywhere! Even where it is not. Until. lol
              2. Black lotos
                Black lotos 14 March 2021 21: 16
                -2
                Quote: Egoza
                Yes, even before 1917, it would be interesting to look.

                judging by Google

                In the Zhytomyr region, a fisherman accidentally made a discovery of national importance - he found 32 silver coins from the times of Vladimir the Great. Scientists say this is the first such find in the past 150 years.
                These are the first coins of Rus-Ukraine, on which the Kiev prince is depicted, and on the reverse side there is a princely sign - a trident for Vladimir and a bident for Svyatopolk.
                They consider their history from Kievan Rus (statehood). HERE are these coins.
                And you can't argue the same. They even have a similar coat of arms. Coins were found on the territory of Ukraine. Kiev is the main city of Rus. Even though it is contested by Novgorod and Ladoga.
                But you can just ignore this and declare all this to the Russians, and accuse the Ukrainians of stealing history and trying to cling to.
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 13 March 2021 22: 35
              -13%
              Quote: Stroibat stock
              I would be immensely glad if you show me the coins / banknotes of ukraine, issued, say, before 1850.

              What's wrong with this date? 1850?
              1. Reserve buildbat
                Reserve buildbat 14 March 2021 10: 00
                0
                Nothing. I could write 1900, 1861, 1913. This is a random date
                1. Black lotos
                  Black lotos 14 March 2021 21: 28
                  0
                  Quote: stock buildbat
                  Nothing. I could write 1900, 1861, 1913. This is a random date

                  In Kiev and in the cities, the princes made coins. This is standard practice (government mints money)
                  In Kiev, the minting of "their own money" resumed almost immediately after the Battle of Blue Waters (1362) and the liberation of the city from the Horde. Lithuanian princes also minted money in Novgorod-Seversky.
                  In the years 1380-1391. in Smotrych (now an urban settlement in the Khmelnytsky region), Prince Konstantin Koryatovich (Koryatovich) also minted his own money - Podolsk half-groats. On their obverse side is depicted Saint George the Victorious piercing a serpent (the family coat of arms of the Koryatovichs), on the back - the coat of arms of the suzerain, since the prince was a vassal of King Louis of Anjou (Lajos the Great) of Hungary and Poland. Lvov also minted MONETA RUSSIAE (under the Poles). Etc
                  The immediate question is not that they did not mint any money. They also minted a lot.
                  The question is for everyone to see the inscription Ukraine on the money. But it couldn't have been on them. Since either the state was called differently. Or fragmentation and everybody himself printed. Then the Lithuanians / Poles, hetmans and already the RP and the RC and later the Republic of Ingushetia.
                  Moreover, the inscription Ruska / RUSSIAE / and other similar ones, for some reason, we see in the presence of the Poles about the lands of the current ZU. It does not belong to Russia for a long time.
          2. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 13 March 2021 20: 19
            +15
            "Russia threw Ukraine into Crimea and Donbass."
            Russia - entrusted Ukraine to steer the Crimea and the Donetsk basin.
            Ukraine failed to cope with the trust placed in it.
            And she signed in her complete inability to steer further.
            After that, she was removed from management.
            How do you like this vision of the issue?
            Moreover, it is such a vision from the ground that takes place. hi
            1. Black lotos
              Black lotos 14 March 2021 21: 35
              -2
              Quote: Benzorez
              Donetsk basin

              coal.
              The question is who decided that she did not cope with that .. With the mines there used to be a better situation than now, and the pay is clearly higher.
              The territory of the country cannot be annexed under the pretext of failing. So it is possible for all of Siberia to China - after all, the Russian Federation clearly cannot cope with the development and settlement.
              RB-Russia-there, too, failed. Finland - the whole of the Russian Federation, because in comparison with the Finns, well, they can not cope. Far East Japan because, by the standards of Japan, the Russian Federation did not cope with the settlement of the Far East, unlike the USSR.
              The term failed and was removed - does not fit. Is that for the moral justification of forceful actions. But it is not required there. Power needs to be captured and held. A justification for the weak.
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        3. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 13 March 2021 21: 43
          -5
          Quote: stock buildbat
          It has always been the outskirts of Russia, where all sorts of obscenely called pieces fled. Someone turned into "Cossacks" (a kind of land privateers), someone fed these "privateers" ..
          Easy about the Cossacks ...
          Russia has a lot of outskirts ... You can say so - the borders of Russia have rolled back to the borders of residence Cossacks - under Catherine 2, the Zaporozhye Cossacks were dispersed, and the Don Cossacks NO - Zaporozhye is today in Ukraine, and the Rostov region in Russia .... The Yaik Cossacks were defeated under the same Catherine 2 (even the name of the Yaik River was changed to Ural) - now the city of Guryev is in Kazakhstan ... They settled in the vicinity of the river. Kuban Cossacks - Krasnodar Territory in Russia. On the Terek Terek Cossacks where today ??? - now there is the North Caucasus ...
        4. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 13 March 2021 22: 31
          -5
          Quote: stock buildbat
          Someone turned into "Cossacks" (a kind of land privateers), someone fed these "privateers". In short, anarchist education on the border of the empire.

          Cossacks appeared long before the appearance of the Moscow Principality, especially long before the Republic of Ingushetia ...
          The period of the Tatar-Mongol invasion and the appearance of the Cossacks are well described by Karamzin ...
      3. tuts
        tuts 13 March 2021 17: 48
        +5
        I didn't pay for gas
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 13 March 2021 19: 58
          +7
          Why does Russia need a Motor Sich? What was supplied from there is now being produced in Russia, or did I miss something? Russia has enough problems to restore its economy to ruins.
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 13 March 2021 22: 05
            +10
            Quote: Balu
            Why does Russia need a Motor Sich?

            Frankly speaking, Ukraine does not need it either. For all the time of independence, "Motor Sich" has not received from the "state" Ukraine, not a penny of help. And only after 2014, there were several orders for the repair of helicopter engines, completely banning the sale of products to Russia (80% of sales). And only when the Chinese became interested in Motor Sichu, it was suddenly needed. Two-faced liars and crooks. This is all you need to know about Ukraine and its owners.
            1. Black lotos
              Black lotos 14 March 2021 21: 37
              0
              Quote: orionvitt
              For the entire time of independence, "Motor Sich" has not received from the "state" Ukraine, not a penny of help

              orders were small. MS is AO. Why should private traders pay from the budget?
              There is no practice in Ukraine to pour money anywhere. Due to their absence laughing
              1. orionvitt
                orionvitt 15 March 2021 17: 01
                0
                Quote: Black Lotos
                orders were but small

                Until 2014, there were single orders for repairs 8 helicopter engines (TV3 177). All. Then something like that.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 13 March 2021 22: 36
          -9
          Quote: tots
          I didn't pay for gas

          So these are the problems of a private shop called Gazprom
      4. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 13 March 2021 18: 25
        +20
        Quote: RUSS
        This is when and where Ukraine "threw" Russia?

        Having received money for engines to frigates, she refused to supply them.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 13 March 2021 22: 37
          -11%
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Quote: RUSS
          This is when and where Ukraine "threw" Russia?

          Having received money for engines to frigates, she refused to supply them.

          Have you filed a lawsuit? If not, go ahead.
          1. Black lotos
            Black lotos 14 March 2021 21: 48
            0
            Quote: RUSS
            Have you filed a lawsuit? If not, go ahead.

            The arbitration court of the Volgo-Vyatka District made the decision to recover 817 million rubles from the Nikolaev Zorya-Mashproekt on November 30, 2016. The return of the advance payment to the Rybinsk enterprise "Turborus" was approved by the court in June 2016
            the message about the receipt of money by "Turborus" by the court decision is not true. As the company clarified, the writ of execution following the results of the trial was sent to the Ukrainian bailiffs, from whom the company is still waiting for a response, as well as money.
            According to the Ukrainian side, the current situation is subject to consideration at the location of the defendant, that is, on the territory of Ukraine in accordance with its legislation.
            I see that the contract obviously did not provide for a neutral court and country for solving problems. And their courts are sentenced exclusively for state purposes.
        2. Grits
          Grits 14 March 2021 09: 40
          +4
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Having received money for engines for frigates, she refused to supply them.

          There seems to be still a debt hanging in 3 billion, which were issued before the Maidan. They also refuse to return. Although there is nothing to return - everyone drank.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 14 March 2021 10: 40
            0
            Quote: Gritsa

            There seems to be still a debt hanging in 3 billion, which were issued before the Maidan. They also refuse to return. Although there is nothing to return - everyone drank.

            According to a long-standing Ukrainian tradition, they forgive us for them.
            1. Black lotos
              Black lotos 14 March 2021 22: 00
              0
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              According to a long-standing Ukrainian tradition, they forgive us for them.

              It is noted that on June 15, 2020, the court informed Ukraine and the Russian Federation that, prior to the decision on the case on Eurobonds in the amount of US $ 3 billion, it will first consider an appeal in another case - Pakistan International Airline Corporation v. Times Travel (United Kingdom) Ltd. (Times Travel case)
              "In connection with the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on the work of the Supreme Court of Great Britain, the timing of the verdict by the court in both the Times Travel case and Russia's claim against Ukraine is uncertain," the message says. Dated November 6, 2020
      5. bar
        bar 13 March 2021 19: 13
        +21
        Quote: RUSS
        This is when and where Ukraine "threw" Russia?

        When she refused to repay the 3 yard loan given to Yanuca. It is symbolic that the sum of the Chinese kidnyak is the same.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 13 March 2021 22: 38
          -15%
          Quote: bar
          When she refused to repay the 3 yard loan given to Yanuca. It is symbolic that the sum of the Chinese kidnyak is such

          So you need to take it back, weak?
          1. bar
            bar 14 March 2021 07: 49
            +3
            Quote: RUSS
            So you need to take it back, weak?

            Here is the boom in the Donbass, which you are seeking, will begin, and we will take it. We will take everything, in kind. The bear sways for a long time, but then it will not seem to anyone. The only bad thing is that the good bear will have to feed you parasites.
            1. Grits
              Grits 14 March 2021 09: 41
              0
              Quote: bar
              Here is the boom in the Donbass, which you are seeking, will begin, and we will take it.

              By the way, together with the Motorsich plant.
          2. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 15 March 2021 02: 47
            0
            So we will gradually return everything with the lands.
      6. venik
        venik 13 March 2021 19: 14
        +14
        Quote: RUSS
        This is when and where Ukraine "threw" Russia?

        ========
        Are you really that "dark" or are you cleverly pretending?
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 13 March 2021 22: 33
          +8
          Quote: venik
          Quote: RUSS
          This is when and where Ukraine "threw" Russia?

          ========
          Are you really that "dark" or are you cleverly pretending?

          Yes, all the same tomorrow the cash desk does not work, so he will not receive money ...
          1. venik
            venik 14 March 2021 00: 56
            +3
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Yes, all the same tomorrow the cash desk does not work, so he will not receive money ...

            ======
            good drinks
            PS Well, then he will have to "suck his paw" all weekend !! hi
      7. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 13 March 2021 22: 32
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        This is when and where Ukraine "threw" Russia?

        This means probably drunken and "forgiven" by Ukraine 3 billion issued earlier by the Russian Federation during the reign of Yanyk ...
        1. venik
          venik 14 March 2021 00: 54
          +4
          Quote: Lara Croft
          This means probably drunken and "forgiven" by Ukraine 3 billion issued earlier by the Russian Federation during the reign of Yanyk ...

          ========
          And not only! Although this is the largest "kidok"! drinks
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 14 March 2021 01: 11
            0
            Quote: venik
            Quote: Lara Croft
            This means probably drunken and "forgiven" by Ukraine 3 billion issued earlier by the Russian Federation during the reign of Yanyk ...

            ========
            And not only! Although this is the largest "kidok"! drinks

            Unlike us, the Chinese are not yet accustomed to this, but in the SCO half of "ours" have the same jokes ...
      8. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 14 March 2021 02: 11
        +1
        Ukrainians have begun to throw Russians since the days of the Pereyaslavl Rada. Blackmail dragged Russia into a war with Poland, which we did not want, and then began to stick knives in the back.
        However, this is the essence of the Ukrainian mentality.
      9. Fitter65
        Fitter65 14 March 2021 04: 44
        +1
        Quote: RUSS

        This is when and where Ukraine "threw" Russia?
        Well, sort of ...
        Suffice it to recall the story of the Russian loan of $ 3 billion, the debt on which Kiev refuses to recognize after the coup d'etat.
        ... on the frigates of project 11356, the Ukrainian GTU (gas turbine unit) M7N.1E produced by the Nikolaev GP NPKG Zorya-Mashproekt was routinely installed ... they had already received money for the undelivered power plants as an advance payment and were not going to return them
        But wherever you go, practically in all the former areas of cooperation ...
    2. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 13 March 2021 17: 02
      +26
      "The enterprise will be returned to the ownership of the Ukrainian people." stunned. privatized, vparili the Chinese for a sickly contribution, now you can "return to the people." scamper of clean water.
      1. Machito
        Machito 13 March 2021 17: 24
        +10
        It looks like Ukraine also wants to dissolve Turkey into a scam called Motor Sich.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 13 March 2021 20: 01
          +4
          Quote: Bearded
          It looks like Ukraine also wants to dissolve Turkey into a scam called Motor Sich.

          I would venture to suggest that Motor Sich will produce Turkish drones, and everything revolved around this. And in the NSDC they decided to warm their hands on this. The Chinese do not need the motor sich itself, but technology.
      2. dedusik
        dedusik 13 March 2021 18: 30
        +3
        Well, here, as it were, the interests of the United States and China clashed https://www.dw.com/ru/konflikt-vokrug-ukrainskogo-aviazavoda-chego-hotjat-ssha-i-kitaj/a-56499961
      3. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 14 March 2021 10: 22
        0
        the Chinese were sold for a sickly fee

        They claim that the Chinese have not paid a dime.
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 13 March 2021 17: 25
      +11
      China is the main trading partner of Banderland, with about 30% of the turnover. As the brave soldier Schweik used to say: "You have to be a complete idiot)))
      1. venik
        venik 13 March 2021 19: 12
        +8
        Quote: TermNachTER
        China is the main trading partner of Banderland, with about 30% of the turnover. As the gallant soldier Schweik used to say: "We must be a complete idiot)))

        ==========
        good And the leadership of Banderlog, who do you think? laughing drinks
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 13 March 2021 19: 17
        +2
        Quote: TermNachTER
        China is the main trading partner of Banderland, with about 30% of the turnover.
        This is from which side to look at these 30% ... if from the side of Banderland it is 30%, and from the side of China? one%?
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 13 March 2021 21: 49
          +1
          That's what I said about Banderland. I think that on the part of China, even less than 1%. "Motor" was one of the few points that the Chinese were interested in.
    4. knn54
      knn54 13 March 2021 17: 36
      +3
      Attempts by Ukraine to protect its producers outraged Europe.
      Therefore, the "return" of Motor Sich to the people threatens with the final liquidation of the enterprise.
      The revival of mechanical engineering in Ukraine ALSO violates the norms of the WTO and the Association Agreement with the EU. Discontent in Europe could result in sanctions. Those Ukraine will be "punished ... with the euro / dollar" ..
      1. Grits
        Grits 14 March 2021 09: 45
        +1
        Quote: knn54
        The revival of mechanical engineering in Ukraine ALSO violates the WTO rules and the Association Agreement with the EU.

        It was necessary to be such idiots not to read the Agreement, to sign such ...
    5. Terenin
      Terenin 13 March 2021 22: 46
      +5
      Typical post-Maidan logic of a Ukrainian official.

      In this logic, no one can surpass them.
      I can't even imagine in which bardel you need to recruit inadequate ones so that they can adequately respond to them request
  2. Cowbra
    Cowbra 13 March 2021 16: 55
    +18
    Russia does not sleep nights trying to buy a dilapidated barn on the Wild Field * facepalm *
    Give them back the curators and the salary in cookies, otherwise they are completely degraded
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 13 March 2021 17: 05
      -38%
      Quote: Cowbra
      Russia does not sleep nights trying to buy a dilapidated barn on the Wild Field * facepalm *

      But at the same time, Russia, on the sly, took out of the Donbass:

      Lugansk machine-building: exported to Russia;
      "Hundredth Plant": exported to Russia;
      State Enterprise TsKBM "Donets", known for its technology for growing crystals for the microelectronic industry (unique in its kind): exported to Russia;
      Lugansk plant of mine rescue equipment "Horizont" - cut for scrap;
      Lugtsentrokuz: production has been stopped, it is impossible to restore it due to the low voltage in the contact network, which does not allow starting the electric furnace;
      Transmash: production is frozen;
      Luganskteplovoz: was privatized by a Russian company, since then production has been stopped;
      "Polipak": exported to Russia;
      "Marshal" - exported to Russia, on the territory of the plant there is a re-base and an artillery station;
      Luhansk Pipe-Rolling Plant: production stopped, the plant is being cut for scrap;
      "Vtorchermet": cut into scrap metal;
      Lugansk mill rolls plant: partially destroyed, most of the surviving machine tools are being prepared for export to Russia;
      Bryansk ore repair plant (in the town of Bryanka): completely sawn for scrap;
      Chernukhinskaya traction rolling stock stock base (the so-called "carriage depot"): cut into metal (including cars and driveways);
      Defense plant of the space industry "Yunost" - exported to Russia;
      Lugansk Foundry and Mechanical - cut into scrap metal.
      Metal rolling plant "ProkatServis" - plundered;
      Auto valve plant - plundered;
      Lugansk Aircraft Repair Plant - exported to Russia;
      LugaTerm - plundered;
      Stakhanov Ferroalloy Plant: cut into scrap metal, allegedly remelted at the Alchevsk Iron and Steel Works;
      Stakhanov Carriage Works: production is frozen.
      Lugansk pharmaceutical plant: allegedly produces prohibited medicines.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 13 March 2021 17: 07
        +7
        NSDC Secretary of Ukraine: Russia, together with the Chinese, is trying to seize the Motor Sich enterprise
        oh well ... we ourselves have such "sich" cut nemeryannom .... why the heck still cut yours ...
        1. Black lotos
          Black lotos 14 March 2021 22: 22
          0
          Quote: Aerodrome
          oh well ... we ourselves have such "sich" cut nemeryannom .... why the heck still cut yours ..

          In Ukraine, the brand is "Russian aggression". Under it, you can pursue anyone and anything.
          They sewed Sharia "pro-Russian" over there. Article 10 for a map from the Internet. Change of homeland.
          Why not sew on the Chinese "pro-Russianism!" *?
          Someone will be against, the same will go.
          Once in the VFR, the Jacobins executed the Girondins and then their own.
          So the Ukrainian patriots will execute everyone right and left. Only those for the idea. And here for the interests.
          The bad news is that they are preparing a coffin for it instead of the economy.
          Zelensky will not see a rating on the nationalists. They will still be unhappy.
          And the economy will suffer even more.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 13 March 2021 17: 26
        +10
        Do you want to say that it all worked with Banderland?)))
        1. Ovsigovets
          Ovsigovets 13 March 2021 18: 42
          +13
          not the word))) the whole of Russia was fed)))) breadwinners yopt
      3. nnm
        nnm 13 March 2021 17: 43
        +24
        I often read this on Ukrainian resources. I ask the authors of such passages one simple question - ok, let's say they were taken out, but you must admit that the plant is not a matchbox and you can't just hide it. So name, where in Russia are these plants mounted?
        And how do you just physically represent it - businessmen, the state takes out? No one saw a photo of transportation, no photo of installation or installed machines, conveyors ...
        1. bar
          bar 13 March 2021 19: 16
          +11
          Quote: nnm
          So name where in Russia these plants are mounted?

          The Banderlog themselves took it all out. For scrap metal in Geyrop.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 13 March 2021 21: 45
            +2
            Quote: bar
            The Banderlog themselves took it all out. For scrap metal in Geyrop.

            About that and speech. A few jokes. The tool shop is being wrung out at MMZ by the Azov gang. Type for the repair of equipment, and there were machines - ogogo. They cut it into metal instantly, sell it. Rolling stock dill "zaliznitsa". Cut, sold for metal, and what is fun, again, there is an MMZ nearby. Remelt at least into slabs! Horseradish - because slabs are already a semi-finished product, they are more expensive, plus this is a fairly pure metallurgy. Therefore, the rolling stock is smelted in Europe, and MMZ will be poking around with the ore and the whole city will suffocate, because cleaning systems are expensive.
        2. Cowbra
          Cowbra 13 March 2021 21: 41
          +1
          Quote: nnm
          So name where in Russia these plants are mounted?

          In the mud warehouse, it's obvious!
        3. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 13 March 2021 21: 52
          +5
          I think that most of the factories listed in the list died under the Banderland, which is not at all difficult to verify. You can see the fate of these enterprises on the Internet. But why, because everyone already knows that Russia and Putin personally are to blame for everything)))
        4. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 14 March 2021 03: 53
          0
          Quote: nnm
          I often read this on Ukrainian resources. I ask the authors of such passages one simple question - ok, let's say they were taken out, but you must admit that the plant is not a matchbox and you can't just hide it. So name, where in Russia are these plants mounted?
          And how do you just physically represent it - businessmen, the state takes out? No one saw a photo of transportation, no photo of installation or installed machines, conveyors ...

          well ... like in 41, may they forgive me for blasphemy ... in the open air, only with a pedal drive, (electricity is dumb, like gas) without food and drink, only by the will of the people ...) clowns ... even the Chinese , laughed and left ... (exaggerating and smiling sarcastically ...)
      4. Rubi0
        Rubi0 13 March 2021 17: 55
        +5
        Gunpowder, too, in 2014, when it smelled of fried, closed and took out his chocolate factory from Mariupol, business is business
      5. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 13 March 2021 17: 58
        +16
        Quote: RUSS
        But at the same time, Russia, on the sly, took out of the Donbass: Further down the list ...

        Is there a source of information where to look? Just do not need links to ukroSMI, where the truth is as much as the mattresses of democracy.
      6. wow
        wow 13 March 2021 18: 09
        +6
        And you, my friend, are you from under Zhmerinka?
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 14 March 2021 03: 42
          -3
          Quote: yo-mine
          And you, my friend, are you from under Zhmerinka?

          Throw you the coordinates of the former defense industry in the Urals? Are the airfields abandoned, the "medical battalions" liquidated, or are you digging into the tyrnet yourself ...? and tede ... remove the current false nails, otherwise they will break off ... glory to the Serdyukov chiefs.
      7. saygon66
        saygon66 13 March 2021 18: 10
        0
        - To know who else has plundered and sawed ... bully And what percentage of this was unfastened to Russia ... as a state.
        - Unfortunately, the well-being of individual citizens does not affect the country as a whole ... request
      8. Ovsigovets
        Ovsigovets 13 March 2021 18: 41
        +9
        that, for scrap, too, in the Russian Federation handed over ????)))))))) you all mixed in a bunch to make the post look more solid or you just don't read ????
      9. venik
        venik 13 March 2021 19: 18
        +6
        Quote: RUSS
        Lugansk plant of mine rescue equipment "Horizont" - cut for scrap;
        Lugtsentrokuz: production has been stopped, it is impossible to restore it due to the low voltage in the contact network, which does not allow starting the electric furnace;
        Transmash: production is frozen;

        ========
        And what does Russia have to do with it? fool
      10. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 13 March 2021 20: 49
        +4
        I will not copy the entire post.
        But in my provincial opinion you are a contradiction to yourself.
        The factories were evacuated to Russia, presumably not because of the good life at these same factories.
        And in order to prevent their looting and preserve equipment. Or how?
        The point is to take out the plant. And scrap the equipment?
        Is there not enough scrap metal in Russia? ...
        It can turn out to be very expensive and troublesome scrap. Don't go to your grandmother.
      11. Ilya Nikitich
        Ilya Nikitich 13 March 2021 21: 05
        +2
        Small, do not read the Ukrainian newspapers before dinner. And don't read after dinner either ...
      12. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 21: 44
        0
        Lugansk pharmaceutical plant: allegedly produces prohibited medicines.
        Prices dope banned medications would have fallen at times, and Interpol and the Russian police would have trumpeted about it.
        1. gurzuf
          gurzuf 13 March 2021 22: 05
          +2
          There is a wholesale consumer - l.s.vsu. Are they, in their right mind and in sound memory, undermined in their minefields? wassat
      13. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 13 March 2021 22: 04
        +3
        Purely for fun, I went to the site of the State Enterprise TsKBM. The enterprise is functioning properly, the official website is working, offering products)))) where is the scrap metal, I ask you?))) Where are you bastards?)))
      14. Terenin
        Terenin 13 March 2021 22: 50
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        But at the same time, Russia, on the sly, took out of the Donbass:

        Russia, in Donbass, has warned you for a long time not to make noise! No.
      15. andrewkor
        andrewkor 14 March 2021 06: 58
        +1
        I will add my "five cents". In December 2013 from the plant. Lenin was taken to Tashkent by two casting machines, they were in time before the "war". He himself started them in a new place.
  3. pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 13 March 2021 16: 55
    +9
    To avoid sanctions and lawsuits from China, they came up with: "He goes with this name, and with this name stands up ..." - and here Russia is to blame.
  4. Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 March 2021 16: 57
    +5
    laughing Well, of course it is. What is the seizure without Russia? Neighbors cuckoo thoroughly.
    1. Ru_Na
      Ru_Na 13 March 2021 17: 08
      +6
      They have been cuckooing since 1991, when the urine of "non-staleness" hit their immature consciousness hard.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 13 March 2021 17: 10
        +7
        They always had a quirk, but now it's such a clinic! Mom, don't worry.
  5. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 13 March 2021 16: 58
    +1
    The slavish essence of ukrov interferes with statehood, since 91 everything is jumping and jumping!)
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      1. Volodin
        Volodin 13 March 2021 17: 19
        +23
        Quote: RUSS
        on the Maidan they proved that they are not slaves, and you will continue to slurp soup with bast shoes, enjoy cartoons with rockets

        Well, it would be fine to carry such a crap back in 2014, but after 7 years ... So this is what it is - "the maidan of the brain." It turns out that they don't lie when they say so. "Not slaves" with an outstretched hand and expectation of rubber boats and manna from the IMF. Lacy Euro trunks don't squeeze too tight there? .. Well, this is the bottom, of course ...
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 13 March 2021 17: 46
          -37%
          Quote: Volodin
          Lacy Euro trunks don't squeeze too tight there? .. Well, this is the bottom, of course ..

          If you are interested in cowards, then this is not for me. Well, the bottom will soon be in Russia
          1. nnm
            nnm 13 March 2021 17: 52
            +20
            When exactly, can you tell me? And why? Will I have time for dinner, or is it better not to leave, so as not to miss this moment? For so many centuries, everyone has been burying Russia, but it still stands
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 13 March 2021 18: 21
              -30%
              Quote: nnm
              For so many centuries, everyone has been burying Russia, but it still stands

              Since 1917, it has been gradually narrowing ...
              1. nnm
                nnm 13 March 2021 18: 22
                +25
                And since 2014 it has been gradually expanding. Thank you for that, by the way hi
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 13 March 2021 21: 23
                  -14%
                  Quote: nnm
                  And since 2014 it has been gradually expanding. Thank you for that, by the way hi

                  Byzantium also at first almost returned all the former territories of the Roman Empire, and in the end ...
                  1. nnm
                    nnm 13 March 2021 21: 55
                    +7
                    Yes, there was such a thing in history. But let's remember the reasons? Weakening by the crusaders, internal wars between clans, relying on external assistance, which they never received in normal quantities, impoverishment of the population, then they began to sell themselves to Italians wholesale and retail ... and now let's transfer these reasons to Russia and Ukraine .. .. wink Doesn't it look like a modern Nenko?)))) In my opinion, it's just a copy. And Russia ... everything depends on us - no one outside of us will break it. So, I repeat, the fate of our country depends only on us. But Ukraine, in many respects, does not decide its own fate ... therefore, speaking of Byzantium, it is better to start trying on its fate for yourself
        2. Mitroha
          Mitroha 13 March 2021 17: 51
          +16
          Quote: Volodin
          "Not slaves"

          Under the control of "not a sucker" -symbolic laughing
          1. gurzuf
            gurzuf 13 March 2021 22: 09
            +1
            Suckers run suckers, that's symbolic.
      2. figwam
        figwam 13 March 2021 17: 27
        +16
        Quote: RUSS
        These "slaves" used to pinch the Poles

        The flag with the emblem of Russia does not press in the avatar?)))
      3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 13 March 2021 17: 39
        +8
        Quote: RUSS
        will you continue to sip cabbage soup with bast shoes

        "Let us lapotnoy Russia
        Calls Washington.
        We launched today
        Smudge over five tons. "

        And the non-workers launched the industry, the economy and self-esteem.
        So envy in silence. You can use a worn master's panties as a gag, if the owners do not disdain to give them to you.
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              1. good
                good 13 March 2021 22: 58
                +2
                let's clarify, it was not the Ukrainians who beat the Poles, but the Cossack army
                and they beat them because the Poles did not give them privileges, they beat them both with the Crimean Tatars and with the tsarist troops and themselves when there was an opportunity, and then whoever the thread from the Cossack authorities again fell under the Poles, breaking the oath given earlier, and not only under the Poles and under the Swedes Crimean Tatars ...
                everyone was looking for a benefit :)
                then and now as in a frying pan
      4. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 13 March 2021 17: 40
        +11
        These "slaves" used to pinch the Poles and other invaders,

        And now, for happiness, they believe to wash the toilet in Poland
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 13 March 2021 17: 50
          -29%
          Quote: Aviator_
          These "slaves" used to pinch the Poles and other invaders,

          And now, for happiness, they believe to wash the toilet in Poland

          In terms of the number of emigrants, Russia is in third place in the world ranking (according to 2017 data), overtaking, for example, disadvantaged countries like Pakistan and Syria, as well as the most populous China. In total, there are 10,6 million Russians who have left the world - this is 7% of the population of Russia and 4% of the total number of emigrants on a global scale.
          The most popular countries for emigration among Russians are Germany, the USA, Israel, Spain, Japan, France, Bulgaria, Austria, Poland and Finland, according to the data of the host countries for 2016.
          Who is leaving. More often people of working age left Russia in 2017. The largest number of emigrants is among young people between the ages of 20 and 34.

          The number of emigrants with higher education is growing - from 17% in 2012 to 22% in 2017, follows from the data of the Federal State Statistics Service.
          1. nnm
            nnm 13 March 2021 17: 54
            +14
            Could you give a link to the statement of Rosstat itself?
          2. Egoza
            Egoza 13 March 2021 20: 42
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            The number of emigrants is growing

            And now with the same scope about immigrants, please. And if you still count how many would like to enter, but the borders are closed .... ooh.
          3. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 21: 55
            +1
            it is 7% of the population of Russia
            About 4.5% of French citizens went abroad for permanent residence. In total, the French diaspora is approx. 30 million people. And why is that terrible?
          4. Pamir
            Pamir 14 March 2021 19: 48
            0
            With such a percentage of emigration, the Russian Federation would no longer have a population. And the question is, what percentage of migrant workers is not in the nenka itself?
      5. ANB
        ANB 13 March 2021 17: 59
        +20
        ... These "slaves" used to pinch the Poles and other invaders, on the Maidan they proved that they are not slaves, and you will continue to slurp soup with bast shoes, enjoy cartoons with missiles.

        These slaves: tried to pinch the Poles in order to expand the register of the Cossacks (complete sur), and when they were shocked, they ran for protection to Russia.
        They idolize Nazi comrades-in-arms Bandera, Shukhevych and Melnik and have forgotten the real heroes: Kovpak and Kozhedub.
        They rode on the Maidan as if they themselves did not know why. And they brought to power just those who arranged the executions. And they have already surrendered power to American curators, abandoning independence and minimal dignity.
        No one even wants to conquer Ukraine. They disdain.
        And I personally drove on the cartoon bridge.
        I personally touched cartoon rockets and airplanes.
        1. Black lotos
          Black lotos 14 March 2021 23: 20
          -1
          Quote: ANB
          They idolize Nazi comrades-in-arms Bandera, Shukhevych and Melnik and have forgotten the real heroes: Kovpak and Kozhedub.

          There is Kozhedub University in Kharkov. There are no Bandera / Shukhevych and Melnik universities.
          True, in Western Ukraine they continue to troll everyone and assigned the stadium to Shukhevych.
          They can. They even introduced a moratorium on Russian content. God forbid to introduce a similar one in Ukrainian somewhere in the local council .. they will probably shoot.
      6. nnm
        nnm 13 March 2021 18: 19
        +17
        Yeah, so "pinched" that to save the Ukrainians had to ask for protection from the Russians. On maydaun, you proved the only thing - that the first rake of the "orange" maydaun did not teach you anything and you must once again, with all its might, jump on the same rake, lose a quarter of GDP, millions of former fellow citizens, unleash a civil war, quarrel with all neighbors, pull out from the hell of SS heroes, sell banks, land, raise tariffs multiple times, crash salaries, start selling children as much, stand in the knee-elbow for anyone who is ready to give a little credit, erase historical memory so that you can broadcast about how you are naked someone there "pinched" in your reality, formed by the Russophobia of the inflamed brain.
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 14 March 2021 02: 19
          0
          It's useless to argue with them about what to explain. Yesterday, on one of the type of humorous instagram posts, a video about an antiques collector and a pensioner came out. Both faces are Ukrainians, the actions took place in Kiev quite recently. So such characters are trying to convince everyone that this is not Kiev but Russia. , but what a collector buys at a flea market is all for hryvnia, around-a car with Ukrainian numbers and the collector-author of the video himself, of which he has a lot of residents of Kiev, they do not care. Like all Kremlin propaganda :))) Truly, this at least ... in the eyes, all the dew of God. I can't insert a link from the phone, if you wish, you can find it in the telegram of the author of this and other videos @antikvartm :)))
      7. AVA77
        AVA77 13 March 2021 19: 21
        +6
        Well, yes, they used to pinch the Poles, but now they wash Polish toilets, wash Polish underwear and twist the tails of Polish cows. belay Maidan defeated intellect. yes
      8. venik
        venik 13 March 2021 19: 24
        +6
        Quote: RUSS
        These "slaves" used to pinch the Poles and other invaders, on the Maidan they proved that they are not slaves, and you will continue to slurp soup with bast shoes, enjoy cartoons with missiles.

        =========
        Clear! Another "ukropatriot" and "information front fighter" has appeared!
        With its "Maidan" paid by American the hosts, finally the country was destroyed and turned into a vassal pseudo-state with a completely impoverished population
        Are you splashing saliva now ?!
        Oh well! Go ahead !.
      9. Vasia
        Vasia 13 March 2021 20: 58
        +3
        Pan bong bong ... :)
      10. Terenin
        Terenin 13 March 2021 22: 55
        +7
        Quote: RUSS
        and you will continue to sip cabbage soup with bast shoes, rejoice

        By the way, cabbage soup in Russia is excellent, good and "bast shoes" fly steadily into space yes
      11. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 March 2021 01: 49
        +3
        Cool, but recently you said that there are fascists in Kiev. A boy with a low social responsibility bar?
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 13 March 2021 17: 10
      +4
      Do you think this "entity" appeared only in 91? It was there before, but it was not so noticeable against the general background.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 March 2021 17: 12
      +7
      Quote: From Tomsk
      The slavish essence of ukrov interferes with statehood, since 91 everything is jumping and jumping!)

      It was not for this that the USSR was collapsed and the quasi state of Ukraine was created, so that it would be independent, self-sufficient, and even rich, having the most powerful industry in the Ukrainian SSR at the time of collapse. She was assigned the role of a semi-colony, under someone else's control, where the people were left with the role of "horses" and executors of the will of the owners.
      What has now happened to the former Ukrainian SSR is visible to everyone with the naked eye, except for the country's residents. It will never be better, it may be worse, but changes in the existing order are not yet visible, the people are brought to a common denominator.
    4. figwam
      figwam 13 March 2021 17: 21
      +3
      Quote: From Tomsk
      The slavish essence of ukrov interferes with statehood

      Quite right, the main thing is to stick to the strong, Sweden, Germany, now the USA.
  6. Shkworen
    Shkworen 13 March 2021 17: 01
    +11
    yes, it seems that we don't really need this motor-sich, we have learned to do without it :)
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 13 March 2021 17: 05
      -9
      There are millions of toilets of the "toilet" type with cesspools all over the world, and the concrete one during the XX century is always the most necessary and dear one. so with this plant.
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        1. A009
          A009 13 March 2021 17: 50
          +20
          You don't really understand what you are writing about, right?
          It must be assumed that private housing construction is not included in this statistics (there is no centralized sewage system in your house) And now, in the light of new data, give statistics for the USA, for example?))))
          Write a blizzard, at least you wondered what it means.
        2. nnm
          nnm 13 March 2021 17: 56
          +21
          Are you really all the nonsense from ukrosaytov thoughtlessly decided to transfer to VO? As I understand it, you are not aware that individual septic tanks are now widely used? Or do you think that any suburb of London, Monaco has a centralized sewage system? Well, do not at least make me laugh ... Go straight to the trump cards of the type of a crucified boy, that you are trifling on trifles
          1. venik
            venik 13 March 2021 19: 58
            +4
            Quote: nnm
            Or do you think that any suburb of London, Monaco has a centralized sewage system?

            =======
            And what have London and Monaco to do with it? Can't you see that under the "nickname" RUSS, a terry "ukropatriot" is hiding (more precisely - banderlog)?
            You should ask this about the suburbs of Kiev!
            drinks
            1. nnm
              nnm 13 March 2021 20: 16
              +7
              Of course I can. But after all, we are different from non-brothers in that we don't just start throwing excrement at everyone around like monkeys.
          2. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 22: 08
            -1
            any suburb of London, Monaco has a centralized sewage system?
            For Monaco I will not say, but a suburb of London, yes, any. Name the exception.
            1. nnm
              nnm 13 March 2021 22: 20
              +2
              Yes, colleague, you caught me on a mistake !!! crying I repent! I shouldn't be talking about the suburbs of London, sorry ... London itself DOESN'T HAVE centralized sewerage system and annually simply dumps 39 million tons of excrement into the Thames! Due to the lack of treatment facilities. And only by 2023 the Thames Water company for 2-3 billion should build this system for the main areas of the city.
              In the meantime, earls, lords and light Europeans just shit right in the Thames. Did I answer your question? hi
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 22: 28
                0
                This is prohibited by law. Link please? In general, it was about dry closets of the "toilet" type laughing There are no such in the suburbs of London (probably in Monaco).
                And only by 2023 the Thames Water company for 2-3 billion should build this system for the main areas of the city.
                That is, the main districts of multimillion London (which ones, by the way?) Drain untreated sewers into the Thames? Sorry, the Thames is not the Amazon in the lower reaches and not even the Yenisei - it is really small. It would look like a gutter - but it doesn't. Today I checked it.
                1. nnm
                  nnm 13 March 2021 22: 44
                  +2
                  Well, is it really so difficult to look at least on Wikipedia yourself? Well, open, for example, the article London sewerage system (of course, I suggest not the Russian version).
                  And then read about the Tams Water mega-contract - it's a serious contract, it was a lot of publicity. And is it really so difficult to see about 30+ million tons of discharged tons?
                  But if you are looking for a day yourself, then if you please ... http://snip1.ru/newconstruction/stroitelstvo-super-kanalizacii-v-londone-2015-2023-gg/
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 22: 53
                    0
                    Looked at Vika and several other sites. Nowhere is it written about the lack of a network of adequate sewage treatment plants in London. All the way.
                    Well, is it really so difficult to look at least on Wikipedia yourself?
                    Well, is it really so difficult to look at the Thames yourself?
                    1. nnm
                      nnm 13 March 2021 23: 03
                      +3
                      Colleague, stop lying !!! Will you translate the top sentence from the Wiki from the screen?

                      Sorry, but if you continue to lie, I will have to end the dialogue. He became uninteresting.
                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 23: 11
                        +1
                        We are talking about overloading the system - this happens with the combination of a high level of the Thames and large volumes of rainwater. A piece (skillfully ripped out) of your link also suggests that the system was modernized in the late 80s. As a resident of London, I can say that he feces on the streets and does not float on the river.
              2. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 22: 50
                +1
                Did I answer your question?
                No, you will have to yourself. sad At least you do not own the information.
                Most of the excrement lol processed at the Thames Water treatment plant. The rest, from the distant suburbs, is taken care of by Anglian Water.
                And only by 2023 the Thames Water company for 2-3 billion should build this system for the main areas of the city.
                Are you talking about the Thames Tideway scheme? This is primarily a reserve for the future - London is growing. In addition, the problem has become the so-called. overflows - when it rains and the level of the Thames is high, the rainwater drainage system does not cope, and instead of going to treatment plants, dirty rainwater from the streets enters the Thames and heats the streets .. 25 km tunnel with a diameter of 7.2 meters will send it to new treatment plants - Beckton sewage works. Something like this.
                In the meantime, earls, lords and light Europeans just shit right into the Thames
                Do you seriously believe that?
                1. nnm
                  nnm 13 March 2021 22: 53
                  +1
                  Lord, is it really not clear that I am exaggerating? But the fact remains that the treatment facilities cannot cope and 32-39 million tons per year are simply dumped into the Thames annually. Earls, lords, and even a queen ... for ecology it does not matter.
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 22: 56
                    +1
                    that I'm exaggerating
                    You are misinforming. Emergency discharge of rainwater (and this is the very wastewater in your ancient exile) is not the same as the discharge of faeces into a reservoir, as on the Black Sea coast.
                    1. nnm
                      nnm 13 March 2021 23: 09
                      +2
                      Stop lying !!!!! 32-39 million tons of excrement per year !!! Due to the lack of treatment facilities in sufficient quantities! Enjoy the construction site video

                      If you don't have enough - if you please: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/new-photos-reveal-work-on-25km-supersewer-being-built-below-london-a4234676.html
                      Can you translate without lying?
                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 23: 17
                        -1
                        32-39 million tons of excrement per year!
                        At what second of the video is this confirmed?
                      2. nnm
                        nnm 13 March 2021 23: 36
                        +1
                        With the fact that it is just sewage, and not the discharge of storm water, they figured out - already a step forward. Now let's do this ... the top sentence from the "Standard" article is "... millions of tons of sewage annually ..."
                        Further, it is simply not interesting for me to bother so much in the proof of 32 or 39. In that article from the construction site that I cited above - 39 million tons per year. If this link does not suit you, ok, your right. Simple, sorry, but bored. The main thing is that you are convinced of the main thing - Her Majesty in the 21st century just shits directly into the Thames hi

                        And until you start to resent - HYPERBALL)))
                        Sincerely, colleague hi
                      3. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 23: 39
                        +1
                        With the fact that it is just sewage, and not the discharge of storm water, we figured out
                        Eh, no. This is storm water - it's just that here they are equated with sewage and are subject to appropriate treatment. By the way, they shimmer only if a lot of rain and tide in the river coincided. So there is a statement about
                        her majesty in the 21st century is simply poured directly into the Thames
                        completely untrue.
                      4. nnm
                        nnm 13 March 2021 23: 47
                        +1
                        How do you say laughing laughing https://vimeo.com/143760244
                      5. nnm
                        nnm 13 March 2021 23: 49
                        +1
                        Or maybe you like it better laughing
                      6. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 14 March 2021 00: 58
                        0
                        And where is the 38 million tons of feces? This is one and a half million full shitty trucks - you cannot approach the river without a gas mask. The Englishwoman of course shits yes - but not in my yard.
                        Whether it is https://trendru.info/fekalnye-vanny-v-chernoe-more-slivaetsya-ogromnoe-kolichestvo-kanalizacionnyx-vod/
                    2. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 23: 56
                      0
                      And again by - at 1.20 minutes it is clearly stated that rainwater fills the system (by the way, it rains here not every day lol ) and not the waste of Londoners. Simply, I repeat, here it is equated to waste. And the video was released when it was necessary to approve the construction and obtain permits - there were those who were against. I recommend taking a walk along the Thames embankment yes
                    3. nnm
                      nnm 14 March 2021 00: 00
                      0
                      Lord, I got it !!!! You don’t know that in London a storm water drain is combined with a sewer! I thought that since you are writing that wastewater is equated to waste, you know this. But you, it turns out, are simply not in the know. Therefore, it turns out that only pure rainwater flows out of an overflowing sewer into the Thames, and not all of the contents.
          3. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 13 March 2021 23: 34
            -2
            Can you translate without lying?
            And you? The fact is that rain drains from the streets are also subject to cleaning and are also called sewage.
            annually, 39 million tons of excrement is simply poured into the Thames! Due to the lack of treatment facilities
            Standard does not speak about it - they know that it is not good to lie. They were taught.
          4. nnm
            nnm 13 March 2021 23: 57
            0
            Bah !!! Don't you even know that the storm drain in London is combined with the sewerage system?)))) Bravo! But in your opinion, with an excess, not both are poured into the Thames, but only rainwater)))))
            Okay, colleague, I really had a lot of fun with your persistence in refusing to acknowledge the issues that England itself has been talking about for a long time. Well, you want to think that the queen does not shit in the Thames - your right)))) Let it be Charles bully
          5. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 14 March 2021 00: 07
            0
            Yes, you do not even know that the storm drain in London is combined with the sewer?)))) Bravo
            I am aware that no, this is contrary to section 106 of the Water industry act.
            Okay, colleague, I really had a lot of fun with your persistence in refusing to acknowledge the issues that England itself has been talking about for a long time.
            I also had some fun - a person who really believes that there is no sewage system in the Western European capital of a nuclear power - this is rarely seen. I highly recommend you not watch the poor Thames on TV.
            Almost your belief is akin to the belief of an American from an Oklahoma village that drunk bears with armor-piercing balalaikas are walking around Moscow wassat .
        3. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 14 March 2021 10: 39
          +1
          Is there fish in the Thames?
          If there is, everything is fine.
  • Installer
    Installer 13 March 2021 18: 06
    +11
    In Ukraine (in the west), earthen or clay floors are not uncommon!
  • venik
    venik 13 March 2021 19: 49
    +4
    Quote: RUSS
    More than 22% of Russian households or more than a fifth of Russia's residents still do not have access to centralized sewage systems

    ========
    "Everyone sees what they need most"(A. M. Kollontai, on the question of a Swedish journalist about warm toilets in Soviet Russia)
    PS And the fact that in your beloved Ukraine, the cost of housing and communal services is already exceeded the size of the minimum pension is approaching the size of the average pension - is this for you HOW?
  • Terenin
    Terenin 13 March 2021 23: 02
    +6
    Quote: RUSS
    sewage

    Quote: RUSS
    cesspools

    Quote: RUSS
    toilets

    Quote: RUSS
    bathrooms

    There is no arguing. request In these types of activities, Ukrainians have no equal. All of Europe can confirm this yes
  • Klingon
    Klingon 13 March 2021 17: 06
    +8
    the story with the Dragon still painfully backfires on the hobbits of the pigs. He's just in no hurry to gobble them up.
  • Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 13 March 2021 17: 06
    +7
    Sea diggers can play around and lie as much as they want, but this is unlikely to help them, China is determined to pinch their tail and arrange a demonstrative flogging.
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      1. nnm
        nnm 13 March 2021 18: 00
        +13
        Well, you then, it is a shame for such a Svidomo ukropatriot not to know that the story of sea digging came from the plot of a humorous program in Ukraine. All of you, independent of conscience and memory, we have to teach.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 13 March 2021 18: 24
          -30%
          Quote: nnm
          All of you, independent of conscience and memory, we have to teach.

          This is the trouble, we ourselves have not learned to live, but we teach others.
          1. nnm
            nnm 13 March 2021 18: 28
            +15
            You know, one thing is always surprising - well, a resident of Switzerland, Monaco, Luxembourg would write this .... but where are you in the Kalashny row !!!! Modern Ukraine, in comparison with Russia, lives in a kind of Middle Ages. Whether financially, politically or infrastructurally. What is the standard of living, what is the level of comfort and safety. Well, where else are you climbing .. Russia left you in the top economies of Europe after a divorce, and in some 30 years you managed to become not just the poorest country in Europe, but also confidently start competing with African countries ..
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 13 March 2021 23: 07
              +7
              Quote: nnm
              and in some 30 years you have managed to become not just the poorest country in Europe, but also surely start competing with African countries ..

              Word "confidently" why is it embarrassing what
          2. venik
            venik 13 March 2021 20: 01
            +3
            Quote: RUSS
            This is the trouble, we ourselves haven’t learned to live, but we teach others

            ========
            This is absolutely correct in relation to you, "descendants of the Cossacks and Aryans"! laughing
      2. d1975
        d1975 13 March 2021 19: 24
        +3
        Honestly, I did not understand you, did you smoke or drink today? I don’t understand what’s wrong with your head today?
        1. Ilya Nikitich
          Ilya Nikitich 13 March 2021 21: 15
          +4
          It smokes bacon, as well as drinks bacon and eats bacon ...
          1. ANB
            ANB 14 March 2021 02: 42
            0
            ... It smokes bacon, as well as drinks bacon and eats bacon ...

            Bought in Poland and Russia.
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 13 March 2021 18: 56
      +5
      Quote: Ru_Na
      Sea diggers can play around and lie as much as they want, but this is unlikely to help them, China is determined to pinch their tail and arrange a demonstrative flogging.

      Their tail will now pinch from both sides.
      And the vulture scavenger and the heavenly dragon.
      Not one will pinch the other. hi
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 13 March 2021 20: 33
        +1
        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
        Their tail will now pinch from both sides.
        Once will begin - there will not be crowded.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 13 March 2021 17: 07
    +4
    Danilov is trying to add Russia to this, which has nothing to do with the Ukrainian-Chinese deal on the Motor Sich plant.
    They themselves decided to trade in the property of the country, and now they spill their snotty fantasies with the "substance" on the "political" surface before the voters !!! sad
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 13 March 2021 17: 08
    +4
    and now they are openly confirmed by Danilov, who is foolishly trying to play around ...

    Well, what can you do that not only do not know how to play smart, but also cannot, by definition ... request
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 13 March 2021 17: 09
    +4
    After all, there was a wonderful republic, the Ukrainian SSR, and they turned into a tribe of sick and fools. And the power is the same - for a fool - Turchinov, Kravchuk, and so on. Komsomolets and party "leader". Where did they get them? Where did they come from? It seems that everyone lived in the same country, studied in the same schools?
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 March 2021 18: 52
      +10
      The United States brought the Seluk and Raguli to power, and that's the result ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 13 March 2021 23: 09
        +7
        Quote: cniza
        The United States brought the Seluk and Raguli to power, and that's the result ...

        Mass psychosis, Andrey Nikolaevich.

        hi
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 13 March 2021 17: 12
    +4
    NSDC Secretary of Ukraine: Russia, together with the Chinese, is trying to seize the Motor Sich enterprise

    The armored Buryat divers from the GRU were also joined by "night tigers" with hunhuz. laughing fool
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 13 March 2021 17: 15
    +6
    "if a member is short, Putin is to blame" (C) ..... ska)))) but it works ... people hawala .... the country of "degradants"
  • ximkim
    ximkim 13 March 2021 17: 25
    -4
    Handsome))
  • iouris
    iouris 13 March 2021 17: 29
    -7
    Russian business: seize your own enterprise "together with the Chinese." And from whom?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 13 March 2021 17: 35
    +2
    The Chinese will now try to knock out their grandmothers ...
  • saygon66
    saygon66 13 March 2021 17: 46
    +3
    - laughing This is not politics ... This is criminality! To dissolve the Chinese for money under a plausible pretext ...
    - I never thought that the Chinese are so naive ... Some kind of courts ... No.
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 March 2021 18: 51
      +7
      The Chinese are just not naive, they know how to wait and courts are necessary ...
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 13 March 2021 19: 07
        +3
        - Well, yes ... Now the courts decide in favor of China - to return the money ... And where is that money?
        - It's like my friend demanded money for an accident from a poor village fellow in court: No worthwhile property ... And you can't sell for organs ... wink The body is poisoned by low-quality moonshine ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 March 2021 20: 25
          +4
          Soon we will find out everything and see how the horses will be undressed ...
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 13 March 2021 20: 34
      +3
      Quote: saygon66
      - I never thought that the Chinese are so naive ...
      Are they naive ?! Yes, they are chopping off the floor for a worthless MS.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 13 March 2021 20: 41
        +3
        - Will the black soil be exported? Because if you believe that there is nothing left in Ukraine but national pride, how can you repay debts? - "You have no methods for Kostya Saprykin!" (C). wink
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 13 March 2021 20: 43
          +3
          Quote: saygon66
          Will the black soil be exported?
          Why export? Chohlopithecus will work harder than the Chinese for the glory of the CCP
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 13 March 2021 20: 51
            0
            - This is unlikely ... In the same Africa, the Chinese themselves work! Moreover, they are investing tens of billions of dollars in local enterprises ... This is just a gift to Ukraine!
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 13 March 2021 20: 52
              +1
              Quote: saygon66
              Moreover, they are investing tens of billions of dollars in local enterprises ...
              Those have not thrown them yet ...
              1. saygon66
                saygon66 13 March 2021 20: 55
                0
                - And how! From Ethiopia and Sudan, thanks to internal graters, Chinese personnel had to be evacuated.
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 13 March 2021 20: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: saygon66
                  - And how!
                  And what is the answer?
                  1. saygon66
                    saygon66 13 March 2021 20: 58
                    +1
                    - So far in no way ... They did not begin to bomb ... they are peacekeeping something.
                    - Here they are suspected of facilitating the coup in Zimbabwe (formerly Southern Rhodesia) - which is not a scenario for Ukraine ...
  • zwlad
    zwlad 13 March 2021 17: 48
    +1
    And here the ubiquitous Putin noted. And why do we have a motor vehicle?
  • stels_07
    stels_07 13 March 2021 17: 49
    0
    Isn't there a motor pump technology in Russia?
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 March 2021 18: 51
      +5
      Who built it? the USSR is correct, and Russia is its successor and the plant has been working with us for a long time ...
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 March 2021 20: 50
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        Who built it? right USSR,

        A little wrong
        The company was founded in the city of Aleksandrovsk, Yekaterinoslavskaya province of the Russian Empire in 1907. Until December 1915, the plant produced agricultural machinery and tools, performed various types of mechanical processing, cast iron and copper products. During the First World War, Russia needed to establish the production of aircraft engines, and in December 1915 the joint-stock company "Duflon, Konstantinovich and Co." ("Deka") bought the plant and changed its profile to the production of aircraft engines. Already in August 1916, the first engine was manufactured for aviation - a 6-cylinder "Deka M-100" with water cooling [4]. His drawings were created under the guidance of engineer Vorobyov [5].
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  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 March 2021 17: 52
    +1
    Quote: faterdom
    Russian and Chinese are brothers now.
    Unfortunately.
    Thrown by the Ukrainians.
    But those will have a chance to make sure that a scammer is tempting here and now, but in the long run - a very unprofitable policy.

    Where is the bed under the machine? belay He will not, eeeee, look like a piece of wood inadvertently? ??? belay
    1. Olddetractor
      Olddetractor 13 March 2021 18: 29
      +4
      The machine appears to have been stolen and prepared for sale.
      And then you can explain that it was prepared:
      ... for export to Russia;
      ... to freeze;
      ... privatization;
      ... cutting (or cutting) for scrap;
      ... to theft;
      ... to the release of prohibited medications))
      1. nnm
        nnm 13 March 2021 18: 39
        +8
        RUSS, how many accounts do you have? Is it really interesting to run like a child from one to the other, what would be a minus? I just looked, you disappear from ROSS, then at the same time somewhere in 2-3 "minuses" flies to us with colleagues, and then you come back happy and proud of yourself))))
        Pardon me, colleague, but this is ridiculous. You are not in some teenage group on Facebook, growing up already.
        1. Olddetractor
          Olddetractor 13 March 2021 19: 37
          +1
          Some misunderstanding))
          1. nnm
            nnm 13 March 2021 21: 56
            +2
            I read it again. Yes, colleague, I'm sorry.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 13 March 2021 20: 35
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Where is the bed under the machine?
      He is ready for transportation, if anything. This is packaging without a top ... bye ...
      1. Polymer
        Polymer 13 March 2021 22: 27
        0
        Quote: Simargl
        He is ready for transportation, if anything.

        The machine seems to be new. Quite the opposite - after transportation. The photo was taken immediately after removing the top of the package. It is common practice when receiving new equipment.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 14 March 2021 00: 49
          +1
          Quote: Polymer
          Quite the opposite - after transportation.
          In any case, it's time to pack and take out.
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  • Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 13 March 2021 18: 23
    +4
    Who Said Alcoholism Is A Disease?
    This is hard, exhausting work as the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine ...
  • Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 13 March 2021 18: 23
    +5
    She has a lot to do with this.

    who are we talking about? about the PDA? they will wind your tail anyway
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: faterdom
    Russian and Chinese are brothers now.
    Unfortunately.
    Thrown by Ukrainians

    This is when and where Ukraine "threw" Russia?

    and 3,5 billion "Yanukovych" ...? still in English court
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 March 2021 18: 40
    +3
    This torso does not yet know that aliens from Alpha Centauri have joined the Russians and the Chinese, so that we could hear the universal howl. wassat laughing
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 March 2021 18: 49
      +4
      Uh-huh, together with the proto ... from Venus and they begin to squeeze everything that is possible from Ukraine ...
  • cniza
    cniza 13 March 2021 18: 48
    +5

    Recall that sanctions against Chinese companies that are shareholders of the Ukrainian plant were introduced at the suggestion of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine by President Volodymyr Zelensky.


    No, this is a direct indication from the United States ...
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 13 March 2021 18: 51
    +5
    "And after Danilov added that" the enterprise will be returned to the ownership of the Ukrainian people. "
    Why does the Ukrainian people need this enterprise?
    What will he do with it? ...
    To whom should the dviglo be supplied (which is mainly used by the enemy state)? According to the UA doctrine.
    In truth ... UA is a country of "contrasts", where you want to eat a fish and not sit in a puddle ... hi
    1. bar
      bar 13 March 2021 19: 20
      +3
      Quote: Benzorez
      Why does the Ukrainian people need this enterprise?
      What will he do with it? ...

      He will also cut it and hand it over to scrap metal, like everything else listed by "russ".
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 13 March 2021 19: 50
        +3
        In this case, a normal leadership should not think about some abstract people. And about the preservation of production facilities / competence of the enterprise / retention of highly qualified personnel. That is at the same time caring for the people in a particular city.
        I think so!... yes
        1. bar
          bar 13 March 2021 21: 12
          +2
          Quote: Benzorez
          Normal leadership should

          Where did the Sumerians get a normal leadership? There is no such thing ... request
  • rocket757
    rocket757 13 March 2021 19: 07
    +3
    And after Danilov added that "the enterprise will be returned to the ownership of the Ukrainian people."
    ... Cool idea however good all the people should now dance and rejoice drinks .... although, how many even there will believe that this is exactly the way it is negative
  • AlexG83
    AlexG83 13 March 2021 19: 13
    +3
    It seems that China only needs technology (the manufacture of turbine blades is mainly, if I am not mistaken), if they learn to make engines with a large resource, this can greatly change something in the world's foundations.
    1. bar
      bar 14 March 2021 07: 59
      0
      It seems that China has already exported all these technologies together with specialists. This ancient plant also lacks unique equipment that would be better than the Chinese. I suppose that the interest of the Chinese was in the deployment on Motor Sich of the production of engines and spare parts for the repair of Soviet / Russian aircraft and helicopters for those countries where they still exist. And in squeezing this market out of Russia. So the "advice" of the striped, which the Sumerians unquestioningly follow, only plays into our hands. laughing
  • tarakan
    tarakan 13 March 2021 19: 17
    +3
    Quote: stock buildbat
    More specifically, please. What does Crimea and Donbass have to do with Ukraine? And in general, what is Ukraine? When did you appear, with whom did you fight, what did you do in history? I will be immensely glad if you show me the coins / banknotes of ukraine, issued, say, before 1850.

    Damn, who captured Troy ?? !!
    At the expense of banknotes, and fat ???
  • bar
    bar 13 March 2021 19: 18
    +1
    Russia, together with the Chinese, is trying to seize the Motor Sich enterprise

    Another nonsense from the garbage can 404 negative
  • businessv
    businessv 13 March 2021 20: 12
    +2
    We are in a state of information war in Russia, which, together with the Chinese, is trying to seize the Motor Sich enterprise. She has a lot to do with this.
    It is interesting to find out from this freak how Russia, with the help of information war, is trying to seize the enterprise ?! Another bottom break !!! To say that Russia has nothing to do with this can only be normal people, to whom Mr. Danilov certainly does not belong!
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 March 2021 20: 48
    +2
    "And after Danilov added that" the enterprise will be returned to the ownership of the Ukrainian people. "(C) What a cynical bastard! And what the hell is it to the people and what will they do with it, he asked? There were investors ready to launch this dying office. would get the opportunity to earn money, the enterprise to develop. But no! Mattress scared that the Chinese would get something. The "self-styled" shobla was put on a frunt and an order was voiced. it will bend, like the Antonov, Yuzhmash, etc. High-class workers and engineers will be impoverished or out of the state.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 March 2021 20: 53
    0
    Russian "big business" from this unexpected statement fell into a stupor, and liquid crap. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 March 2021 21: 01
    +4
    Calm down, selling the same enterprise several times is a good old Ukrainian tradition.

    The Chinese just got to the first, unlucky, number.

    And you had to know that being the first buyer (of something in Ukraine) is a bad omen. laughing
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 14 March 2021 02: 36
      0
      The Chinese made a discount to the "first buyer", but they never lost money! Maybe they were counting on a discount from the Ukrainians? So in vain. They know Ukraine poorly :)))
  • Nadrub
    Nadrub 13 March 2021 21: 31
    +2
    Yeah .. plan of capture - five million Chinese quietly sneak up on the left, two hundred Wagnerians enter on the right
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  • sgr291158
    sgr291158 14 March 2021 06: 40
    0
    Looks like Danilov has a spring exacerbation of brain disease.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 March 2021 09: 07
    0
    Close and build a residential complex in its place ... and a park.
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 14 March 2021 11: 53
    0
    "Kryvorizhstal" was also squeezed out of its way at one time. True, there are their own lords.
  • Joker62
    Joker62 14 March 2021 16: 07
    +1
    Quote: Lara Croft
    Quote: stock buildbat
    Someone turned into "Cossacks" (a kind of land privateers), someone fed these "privateers". In short, anarchist education on the border of the empire.

    Cossacks appeared long before the appearance of the Moscow Principality, especially long before the Republic of Ingushetia ...
    The period of the Tatar-Mongol invasion and the appearance of the Cossacks are well described by Karamzin ...

    Nothing like this! Karamzin is still the kind of liar to look for!
  • Joker62
    Joker62 14 March 2021 16: 14
    +1
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: faterdom
    Russian and Chinese are brothers now.
    Unfortunately.
    Thrown by Ukrainians

    This is when and where Ukraine "threw" Russia?

    Well, for example, in 2013, Russia provided a loan in the amount of 3 lard, this is under Yanikovich. After the coup, the Banderlog, otmazyutsya and said that they did not know anything and did not hear anything ... Is that what you think? This is a scam ...
    Further, Russia paid for two sets for its GTU ships, which were built in St. Petersburg. These engines, banderologists - also refused to send to the customer. What's this? The same thing is a scam. There are a bunch of examples, only the lazy one does not want to understand.
  • Consul
    Consul 16 March 2021 15: 20
    +14
    NSDC Secretary of Ukraine: Russia, together with the Chinese, is trying to seize the Motor Sich enterprise

    Do they still have normal ones or not?