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The flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva, went to the exercises

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The flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva, went to the exercises

ФлР° РіРјР ° РЅ Черноморского fleet the guards order of Nakhimov missile cruiser Moskva left for exercises in the Black Sea. This was reported by the press service of the fleet.


As part of the implementation of the elements of the course task K-2 "Swimming and combat with a single ship", the cruiser will conduct a number of combat exercises and crew coordination

- said in a statement.

As explained, the crew of the cruiser will work out the air defense of the ship, the use of electronic warfare, the fight for survivability, as well as the protection of the ship during the transition and when parked in an unprotected roadstead. It is emphasized that after completing all the tasks, the cruiser will return to Sevastopol.

Earlier it was reported that the cruiser should go to the shores of Syria and become part of the permanent grouping of the Russian Navy.

Recall that the cruiser underwent repairs with the restoration of marching readiness, but without modernization. The service life of the ship has been extended until 2030.

The cruiser "Moscow" was laid on the stocks of the Nikolaev shipbuilding plant named after the 61 communard in the 1976 year as the Slava missile cruiser, is the leading missile in the series of missile cruisers. Launched 27 July 1979 g., Was put into operation in 1983 year. Displacement - 11380 tons. It is equipped with 16 launchers of Vulkan missiles, artillery, air defense systems, torpedo tubes and depth-fire bombs.
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  1. antivirus
    antivirus 13 March 2021 13: 34
    -7
    free navigation on the Danube is preserved? --must make a friendship visit to Bavaria
    1. figwam
      figwam 13 March 2021 13: 43
      +11
      He went to the exercises in time.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 13 March 2021 15: 26
      -3
      In fact, it was necessary to partially modernize, replace the Vulcan launchers with the same Caliber, and there would not be 16 missiles, but about 32 in the same but smaller containers, based on one four-missile container instead of two old-type launchers.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 13 March 2021 16: 05
        +2
        Quote: Thrifty
        replace the Vulcan launchers, with the same Caliber, and there would not be 16 missiles, but about 32

        Yeah. It would be necessary, but
        such launchers were not even worthy of designing as well as the inclined launch mode.
        And along with the missiles, the control systems, communications, etc. would have to be changed. etc....
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 13 March 2021 16: 37
          -4
          A jacket in stock - the money that is stolen is enough to modernize ALL combat and vehicles of the entire fleet of the country! Could the cruiser and completely modernize, we are not so good at dealing with ships in the oceanic zone of action. ...
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 15 March 2021 00: 06
            -1
            Quote: Thrifty
            Could have a cruiser and completely upgrade,

            makes no sense, it's easier to build a new one
        2. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 13 March 2021 18: 54
          +3
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          ... but such launchers were not even worthy of designing as well as the inclined launch mode.
          Some work in this direction is underway: top photo of MRK "Nakat" with "Onyx"
          Indian destroyer "Rajput" of project 61E was replaced by launcher anti-ship missiles "Bramos"
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 13 March 2021 16: 19
        +1
        Quote: Thrifty
        Actually, it was necessary partially modernize, to replace the Vulcan launchers with the same Caliber, and there would not be 16 missiles, but about 32 in the same but smaller containers, at the rate of one four-missile container instead of two old-type launchers.

        This is no longer a partial, but a COMPLETE modernization. Even the body would have to be redrawn for new PU
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 13 March 2021 16: 35
          +1
          Pyramidon Stepan hi - this is still a PARTIAL modernization I have proposed, because FULL is also the replacement of the entire complex of weapons, communications, strengthening the hull, repair or replacement of the power plant. ...
        2. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 13 March 2021 16: 38
          +2
          Quote: Piramidon
          ... Even the body would have to be redrawn for new PU

          They have already done this with one cruiser.
          Then, apparently, they counted, shed a tear, and realized that even on the "Moscow" this is definitely not enough.
          Although, if they took care of creating an inclined launcher and the corresponding version of the rocket, then everything could be done much easier.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 13 March 2021 16: 42
            +3
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            everything could be done much easier

            From our sofa-amateur point of view, everything always looks simple. hi
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 13 March 2021 18: 56
              +1
              Today - exercises, tomorrow may be a military campaign ... At the right time, the repairs ended! smile
        3. Usher
          Usher 13 March 2021 19: 47
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: Thrifty
          Actually, it was necessary partially modernize, to replace the Vulcan launchers with the same Caliber, and there would not be 16 missiles, but about 32 in the same but smaller containers, at the rate of one four-missile container instead of two old-type launchers.

          This is no longer a partial, but a COMPLETE modernization. Even the body would have to be redrawn for new PU

          What are you inventing difficulties from scratch? Change some inclined ones to others, how can this affect the body? The new missiles are smaller and lighter.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 13 March 2021 21: 56
            0
            Quote: Usher
            Change some inclined ones to others, how can this affect the body? The new missiles are smaller and lighter.

            Are there any new missiles for inclined launchers?
            1. Usher
              Usher 13 March 2021 21: 56
              +1
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: Usher
              Change some inclined ones to others, how can this affect the body? The new missiles are smaller and lighter.

              Are there any new missiles for inclined launchers?

              Well, so about the speech about Onyx or Caliber.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 13 March 2021 21: 58
                0
                Quote: Usher
                well, about the speech about Onyx or Caliber

                They seem to have a vertical launch.
                1. Usher
                  Usher 14 March 2021 01: 25
                  -2
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Quote: Usher
                  well, about the speech about Onyx or Caliber

                  They seem to have a vertical launch.

                  Are you on purpose? I repeat once again, we are talking about replacing the Volcanoes with more modern missiles. That is, in the old place, put inclined PUs for Onyx or Calibers. You write that the corpus should be redone there, etc. I answered that you are inventing a problem here? Difficult to redo? There is business for a month of work. And about the start, that it is so fundamentally impossible to teach Onyx or Caliber to start from an inclined launcher? What is the difficulty then? What's vertical, what's slightly tilted, what's the difference?
  2. Kamchatsky
    Kamchatsky 13 March 2021 13: 35
    +10
    Seven feet under the keel!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 13 March 2021 13: 56
      +6
      The service life of the ship has been extended until 2030.
      "He was an iron guy with a strong bottom!"
    2. ankir13
      ankir13 13 March 2021 14: 49
      -6
      Seven feet under the keel! However, fighting with a single ship evokes sad associations, the heroic Varyag (Moscow). fond memory of the unconquered, but dead heroes and the ship ... in which case ... it somehow turns out that way, with a single battle ...
      Hero sailors, hero ship, BUT YOU CAN'T PLAN A SINGLE BATTLE ... I think.
      1. novel66
        novel66 13 March 2021 15: 00
        +1
        especially with 16 missiles
        1. Grits
          Grits 14 March 2021 03: 17
          +1
          Quote: novel xnumx
          especially with 16 missiles

          There was such a popular Soviet village motorcycle "Ural". Good for everyone - powerful, passable, lifting. But you could ride it around the fuel tank and not go far. So here too - a good ship. But sailing far from the base is fraught. Since 16 - bang! And mustache ... - run to the base to reboot.
          1. novel66
            novel66 14 March 2021 10: 43
            +1
            well, maybe it will be possible to send the entire sixth fleet to the bottom in one salvo?
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 14 March 2021 11: 55
            +2
            Quote: Gritsa
            There was such a popular Soviet village motorcycle "Ural"

            He is still there. Basically, they do it for export, moreover, for a rather large price.
            1. iouris
              iouris 14 March 2021 12: 21
              -1
              Is this a good old BMW?
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 14 March 2021 12: 49
                0
                Quote: iouris
                Is this a good old BMW?
                https://uralmoto.ru/catalog/new-models
            2. Grits
              Grits 14 March 2021 15: 04
              +1
              Quote: Bad_gr
              He is still there. Basically, they do it for export, moreover, for a rather large price.

              This is not the same Soviet village motorcycle. Because even quite wealthy average citizens cannot afford it. I generally keep quiet about the collective farmers. Moreover, 90% of this motorcycle is used not by Russians, but by Americans. So, we can safely assume that this motorcycle is no longer for us.
              1. iouris
                iouris 14 March 2021 21: 16
                -2
                Quote: Gritsa
                this motorcycle is no longer for us.

                Are we still there? Sometimes I doubt it.
  3. 1536
    1536 13 March 2021 13: 40
    +12
    Probably, it is too early for our ship to go to the shores of Syria, because, apparently, urgent matters are about to arise in the Black Sea. Although, I would very much like to be mistaken in this matter.
    1. Aag
      Aag 13 March 2021 13: 56
      +7
      Quote: 1536
      Probably, it is too early for our ship to go to the shores of Syria, because, apparently, urgent matters are about to arise in the Black Sea. Although, I would very much like to be mistaken in this matter.

      It seems that just on urgent matters ... Vaughn and the air defense-shniki of the Southern Military District began to stir ... No support is mentioned, speaking of the repairs they always emphasize that the modernization was not carried out, - leads one to think: maybe they really learned first to do something before pompous declare?
      ... So, I dream ...
    2. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 13 March 2021 14: 41
      -18%
      Quote: 1536
      Apparently, urgent matters are about to arise on the Black Sea.

      Just an armored boat from a nearby pig farm is a worthy opponent for a 40-year-old museum cruiser.
      1. Nikon OConor
        Nikon OConor 13 March 2021 14: 54
        +10
        when the "40-year-old museum cruiser" sailed out into the Mediterranean Sea, the Mediterranean AUG USA in a hurry collected the belongings and left the water area without saying goodbye.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 13 March 2021 16: 27
          0
          Quote: Nikon OConor
          when the "40-year-old museum cruiser" sailed into the Mediterranean

          When it was, do you recall the date? And if the "Moscow" were thrown against the fleet of Osman-Pasha, the Turks would not have had time to blather at all.
  4. cniza
    cniza 13 March 2021 13: 46
    +5
    Recall that the cruiser underwent repairs with the restoration of marching readiness, but without modernization.


    It's bad that without modernization, but the commanders know better ...
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 March 2021 13: 48
    +4
    It's time to take care of the modern change of this worthy ship, while the project, while the shipyards swing and create a miracle, and on you, here it is in 2030, and we already have a new modern ship ready. Than then through the stump-deck, bulging eyes to tear.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 13 March 2021 14: 18
      +5
      Quote: Ros 56
      It's time to attend to a modern change of this worthy ship, while the project, while the shipyards swing and work a miracle ...

      I don't know how about the "miracle", but the frigates 22350M are going to be built, in a series of 12 units, with the delivery of the lead fleet to the fleet in 2027 ...
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 13 March 2021 15: 00
        -1
        Quote: Doccor18
        I don't know how about a "miracle"

        Cruiser "Moskva": Construction began on November 5, 1976. Launched on July 27, 1979. Commissioned on December 13, 1982.
        A ship with a displacement of 11 tons against a ship with a displacement of 490 tons, built from 5 to 400 ... belay
        On May 4, 2016, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that the Russian Navy would include six Project 22350 frigates. by 2025 year

        Something I hardly believe in these miracles against the background of the bookmark on July 20, 2020 ...
        Famous phrases are straightforward:

        Not you personally, of course, but those who write these plans and set these deadlines ...
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 13 March 2021 15: 02
          +2
          Divine actress and woman.

          And what can we do but believe and wait ...
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 13 March 2021 15: 41
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          ship with a displacement of 5 tons, built from 400 to 2006

          Development of new systems and weapons. The problem is not that they are building slowly, but that something that doesn’t exist yet is included in the project. As Shoigu said about the construction of new corvettes:
          "No OCD."
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 13 March 2021 15: 47
            +2
            Quote: Dart2027
            The problem here is not that they are building slowly, but that something that doesn’t exist is included in the project.

            I understand everything, not two years passed in boots. But, it seems to me that:
            The whole problem that they are building slowly is that the existing real funds are not included in the project. That there is no proper control over the fulfillment of vital tasks, and no interest is shown for the prospect of building a strong state ...
            It (the state) is strong by the army and the navy, isn't it?
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 13 March 2021 15: 59
              +2
              Quote: ROSS 42
              the fact that the project does not include existing real funds

              The system is inherently wrong. It is necessary to do all the R&D work not for specific projects, but for the fleet in general, and put in the ships under construction only what is in the hardware. The USSR also sinned with this, although then at the very least they got out of it, but until they give up on this, problems will periodically arise.
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 15 March 2021 13: 57
        0
        Quote: Doccor18
        I don't know how about the "miracle", but the frigates 22350M are going to be built, in a series of 12 units, with the delivery of the lead fleet to the fleet in 2027...
        belay They should at least hand over "Spiridonov" and "Yumashev" by 2027 (!), winked otherwise you are already on 22350M, which have not even been laid down yet, but there ? !!. smile
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 13 March 2021 15: 31
      0
      It's time to attend to the modern change of this worthy ship

      already thought like - 22350. Well, maybe in the future 22350M, but this is not yet certain.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 March 2021 16: 28
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      It's time to attend to the modern change of this worthy ship

      Everything looks light from the sofas.
  6. Eldorado
    Eldorado 13 March 2021 13: 56
    +3
    Seven feet under the keel!
    Second exit to the sea after renovation! The last time the cruiser went to sea was in September.
  7. Dimide
    Dimide 13 March 2021 13: 57
    -2
    38 years in the ranks.
    Was it on it that Gorbachev made a friendly visit to Malta to Bush?
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 13 March 2021 14: 26
      0
      It is on it. am
  8. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 13 March 2021 14: 25
    -8
    40 years of a typewriter, and without modernization ...
    Hmm.
    Although, maybe against inflatable boats and will fail.
    1. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 13 March 2021 16: 02
      0
      Well yes. The jacket can be seen from afar.

      The cruiser will roll so that the ears come off. If needed.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 13 March 2021 16: 44
        +3
        Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
        The cruiser will roll so that the ears come off

        Ага.
        "Zhahnem, the whole world is in dust, but then."
        And it's not bad that the missiles are already more than 20 years old, and all storage periods have already passed. And even if they have not yet rotted, the heads from the 80s are no longer suitable for shooting at a technologically advanced enemy.
        And according to ukrokaters they are not calculated at all, they will fly by and will not even notice.
  9. lexa333
    lexa333 13 March 2021 14: 37
    0
    handsome pride chf
  10. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 13 March 2021 16: 00
    0
    I saw the flagship in Sevastopol on May 9, 2014))
    Impressed
  11. Dikson
    Dikson 13 March 2021 16: 17
    0
    They played a trick on a power old man ... So he can not make a rustle at all weak ...
  12. tarakan
    tarakan 13 March 2021 16: 27
    0
    Quote: ankir13
    Seven feet under the keel! However, fighting with a single ship evokes sad associations, the heroic Varyag (Moscow). fond memory of the unconquered, but dead heroes and the ship ... in which case ... it somehow turns out that way, with a single battle ...
    Hero sailors, hero ship, BUT YOU CAN'T PLAN A SINGLE BATTLE ... I think.

    In the Black Sea, instead of an order, coastal anti-ship missiles can be applied
  13. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 13 March 2021 18: 09
    -1
    Yes, for a long time it was necessary to write off all the cruisers, and the money freed up to invest in the modernization of projects 1155 and 1135 - to repair and re-equip them with Caliber and Onyx. Likewise, write off all Typhoons and Batons, and use resources to repair and modernize Shuk and 877s. Then gradually replace old ships with new projects 20380, 22350, 677 and 545. At least there would be a fleet capable of performing combat missions.

    Instead, private shipbuilding companies are packed with orders from the fleet management for unnecessary RTOs. Most likely for bribes. And of course, they left a bunch of steel monsters from the Cold War so that you could show and cut show-offs at parades. In reality, there is nowhere else to put the money!

    Here's everything you need to know about the modern Russian navy ...
  14. Old26
    Old26 13 March 2021 19: 33
    +6
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Quote: Thrifty
    replace the Vulcan launchers, with the same Caliber, and there would not be 16 missiles, but about 32

    Yeah. It would be necessary, but
    such launchers were not even worthy of designing as well as the inclined launch mode.
    And along with the missiles, the control systems, communications, etc. would have to be changed. etc....

    In reality, such launchers seem to have not been designed. But only "like". In reality, a launch module was created for the project 855 nuclear submarine for 4 missiles.

    So there is some groundwork, although there is no launcher now.
    As for the inclined launch system, an inclined deck PU under the index 3S14PE was developed and tested.
  15. Kushka
    Kushka 13 March 2021 23: 25
    +1
    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: Usher
    well, about the speech about Onyx or Caliber

    They seem to have a vertical launch.


    Well, yes, the launch is so vertical-vertical!
    And you would go to the mast, to the antenna post, the same 61st.
    So, about 30 meters. You climb up there, look down-
    mom is a boat, it seems like you can't go around in a day,
    and now, I apologize, like a galoshe - so little!
    And you on the mast so on the left side doesn’t look - already above the water!
    STOP! We move the leg and move it to the opposite
    board - and again on the water. And we are vibrators with directors
    we serve and lick - why look down there.
    We have no leisure. And you say VERTICAL!
    Where will you find it in the seas, your vertical?
  16. Evil 55
    Evil 55 14 March 2021 05: 16
    +2
    They cheered up the old man for a dozen years ... although the old name "Slava" personally appeals to me more than "Moscow" on the Black Sea ..