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Russian athletes will be banned from even thinking that they are from Russia

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The humiliation of Russia on the sports fronts has reached such limits that it is time to talk about a real epidemic of madness that has hit international sports organizations. And, besides this, about forcing the Russian Federation to resignedly agree with the loss of sovereignty in sports. So far, this is only in sports.


Forbidden to sing Russian "Katyusha"


The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) banned Russia from using the song "Katyusha" instead of the anthem at the Olympic Games in Tokyo in the summer of 2021 and in Beijing in February 2022. This was reported on March 12 by the British edition "Inside the Games". It is impossible to refrain from almost completely quote this newsfrom the bowels of the CAS:

The Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS) rejected Russia's request to use the Katyusha folk song as a substitute for the national anthem at the Olympic Games in Tokyo 2020 and Beijing in 2022.

The Russian Olympic Committee's Athletes' Commission proposed using the song instead of the national anthem in January.

The ban on the performance of the national anthem is part of the sanctions imposed on Russia by the World Anti-Doping Agency for manipulating the data of the Moscow laboratory.

Russia must participate under a neutral flag in Tokyo 2020 and Beijing 2022, and athletes from the country will not participate in the Paralympic Games or World Championships during this period as Russia.

CAS confirmed to the publication that a request was made (from the Russian Federation - from Ed.) To clarify that part of the prohibition, which states that

“The Russian national anthem (or any anthem associated with Russia) must not be officially sung or played in any official venue or other territory controlled by the signatory or designated organizer of the event (including, without limitation, medal ceremonies and ceremonies opening / closing) ".

The CAS collegium believes that the words "any anthem associated with Russia" apply to any song associated with or connected to Russia, and this includes the performance of any song, including Katyusha, the CAS statement said.

CAS noted that "the decision on which anthem will be played at the Olympics will be made by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), not Russia."

A document released by the IOC last month states that the Russian Olympic Committee must present the proposed musical score at all ceremonies of international sporting events.

This musical score will then be subject to the approval of the IOC Executive Board.

Gentlemen from the Olympic Committee of the Russian Federation and other sports officials, do you think that very soon such messages in the media will become reality:

“After the victory of the Russian national hockey team over the Swedes (Finns, Canadians, Americans, etc.) after the end of the match, first one Russian hockey player, and then the whole team loudly started“ Get up, the country is huge ... ”instead of the anthem of their country, the performance of which was prohibited by Sports arbitration court shortly before.

Such outrageous unacceptable behavior of the Russians immediately received a legitimate response.


Several hundred police officers immediately arrived on the ice, who, after a long scuffle, still managed to twist the Russian hockey players. Against them (in the glorious traditions of the Parisian, Berlin and London law enforcement agencies), rubber truncheons, tear gas were used, and in the end - water cannons.

Russian hockey players were taken into custody, and the criminal court held the next day awarded them two months in prison and a fine of ... euros each. Large fines will have to be paid to the Olympic Committee and the Russian Ice Hockey Federation.

The leading countries of the world, ice hockey federations, national Olympic committees, etc., expressed their indignation at such an unacceptable hooligan behavior of Russian uncivilized athletes who grossly violated international legal norms.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport has decided to prohibit Russian athletes from mentioning their country in interviews and when communicating with media representatives.

As a source - New York Times, BBC, Voice of America, Deutsche Welle, etc.

In this regard, it is worth remembering that in the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation adopted last summer 2020 in Art. 79 stated:

"Russian Federation can participate in interstate associations and transfer to them part of their powers in accordance with the international treaties of the Russian Federation, if this does not entail a restriction of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen and does not contradict the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation.

Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, are not subject to execution in the Russian Federation. "

Questions


1. Does the ban on the performance of the anthem of the Russian Federation and the participation of its athletes in competitions under the flag of the Russian Federation entail "restriction of the rights and freedoms" of athletes - citizens of the Russian Federation?

2. Do the prohibitions adopted by a number of international sports organizations contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation?

Finally, why the courts of domestic jurisdiction have not yet received claims on this topic from the Olympic Committee and domestic sports federations that have been decimated and proscribed by WADA, CAS and other international organizations?

Where does such childish shyness in front of them come from among Russian sports, near-sports and pseudo-sports officials? How is this shyness explained? And whose interests are these persons protecting? Why not think about the law enforcement of the term "foreign agent" in relation to at least some of them?

Popular anger


It is quite obvious that such a position "Skinned ostrich" in relation to endless provocations on the fronts of international sports competitions, it completely and completely contradicts the policy aimed at strengthening the state sovereignty of the Russian Federation, which is being pursued by the leadership of the Russian Federation.

This contradiction has already become so obvious that it causes violent indignation among millions of citizens of the Russian Federation, including those who are not even fans or athletes. They do not understand why the Western policy of forcing Russian athletes to shame on performances without the anthem and flag of the Russian Federation still remains without a worthy answer. And the athletes themselves - to renounce the citizenship of the Russian Federation and move to other countries. And such precedents already exist.

It is obvious that someone in the domestic sports bureaucracy either does not understand, or pretends not to understand what such prohibitions mean for real patriotic athletes. What can victory mean for them, receiving an award, if this is not accompanied by a hymn and raising the flag of their homeland?

On the social networks of the Russian segment of the Internet, one can easily find massive comments on this topic. In them, the endless humiliation of Russian sports and non-resistance to Western sanctions on the part of domestic officials are often called "betrayal."

It is clear that sport has long been part of the (and very important) hybrid information war against Russia that the West has been waging over the past two decades.

The lack of harsh answers (and why not preventive measures?) In relation to Western provocateurs "from sports", according to the organizers of such undertakings, should cause uncertainty among the population of the Russian Federation regarding the actions of the authorities, thoughts about the inconsistency of their actions with declared intentions, etc. In short, this will only contribute to the growth of general discontent and, as a result, contributes to the undermining of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation.

Homeland and "Katyusha"


In the summer of 1941, as the servicemen of the Hitlerite Wehrmacht later wrote, the dying garrisons of Soviet pillboxes sang "Katyusha".

It was sung in the Kerch catacombs by the Red Army men dying of hunger and wounds, pronouncing the words of the song with their lips parched from thirst.

According to the testimony of the few surviving prisoners of concentration camps, the German Nazis reacted very violently to the unauthorized performance of the Katyusha when the Soviet prisoners of war, driven to despair by the brutal conditions of detention, began to sing it ...

The Nazis, having heard "Katyusha", opened fire singing.
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  1. WHAT IS
    WHAT IS 15 March 2021 12: 09
    +72
    "why is the Western policy of forcing Russian athletes to shame performances without the anthem and the flag of the Russian Federation still without a worthy answer."
    Under the USSR, this was not even possible. The state respected its Flag, Coat of Arms, Anthem and no one was even allowed to think about banning them from competitions.
    1. apro
      apro 15 March 2021 12: 15
      +37
      Quote: WHAT IS
      Under the USSR, this could not even be imagined.

      No need to compare. If they were not allowed to some kind of competition, then they organized their own. And they responded to the boycott with a boycott. Everything was serious.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 15 March 2021 13: 25
        +31
        Russian athletes will be banned from even thinking that they are from Russia
        Unfortunately, there are plenty of traitors in power in Russia - and even in the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

        For instance. Figure skater Irina Rodnina supported the CAS decision to ban the Katyusha song as an alternative to the Russian anthem at the Olympic Games in Tokyo and Beijing.
        "Absolutely the right decision. The idea itself is not the best. If you have to choose, then the melody should be different. But in principle, I think that it is better without the anthem at all. The more we win gold medals, the more dreary the Olympics will be.
        The Olympic Committee sometimes needs to make its own decisions, not to be led by someone. It is clear that the awarding procedure is one of the most solemn and important. And our task is to win more gold medals, ”Rodnina said.
        See in detail - https://www.sport.ru/other/rodnina-podderjala-zapret-katyushi-na-oi-v-tokio-i-pekine/article475226/

        What did Rodnina answer to the question about her US citizenship, patriotism and her daughter living in America? March 1, 2020
        1. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 15 March 2021 13: 33
          +13
          I must sing:
          Get up huge country,
          Get up to fight to the death
          .....
          1. Machito
            Machito 15 March 2021 13: 43
            +12
            The International Olympic Committee itself will choose the anthem of Russia. And if they choose an LGBTesh melody?
            1. avia12005
              15 March 2021 13: 47
              +24
              Do not doubt. so it will be
              1. Machito
                Machito 15 March 2021 15: 52
                +19
                Quote: avia12005
                Do not doubt. so it will be

                I have no doubts about it. How will our athletes look on the pedestal to the sound of the sex minority anthem? Like people of non-traditional sexual orientation, sold for money.
                1. avia12005
                  15 March 2021 18: 50
                  +5
                  You can’t say better am
                2. lis-ik
                  lis-ik 15 March 2021 22: 35
                  +6
                  Quote: Bearded
                  Quote: avia12005
                  Do not doubt. so it will be

                  I have no doubts about it. How will our athletes look on the pedestal to the sound of the sex minority anthem? Like people of non-traditional sexual orientation, sold for money.

                  They are!
          2. Civil
            Civil 15 March 2021 13: 56
            +37
            Quote: Blacksmith 55
            I must sing:
            Get up huge country,
            Get up to fight to the death

            What other fight? There is no need to drag a great song to these sports businessmen, who are not clear for whom they gathered to perform there. And generally not to finance these gentlemen with barrels of black caviar in the Russian House from the budget. Let everyone go, if they let them in, at their own expense.
            1. Blacksmith 55
              Blacksmith 55 15 March 2021 14: 06
              +2
              A war is being waged against Russia, in this case a sporting war, and pride should not allow to speak under a neutral flag, a neutral anthem.
              Doping is used by many athletes in the world, but Russians cannot, others can.
              By this I do not want to say that doping is good, but world sport will not give up its doping positions so easily, there is too much money in the game.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 15 March 2021 15: 19
                +5
                Quote: Blacksmith 55
                Doping is used by many athletes in the world, but Russians cannot, others can.

                Nobody can. They all accept, but ours got caught.
                1. Alex_1973
                  Alex_1973 16 March 2021 00: 59
                  +18
                  aleksejkabanets (Alexey)
                  Nobody can.
                  In addition to athletes from the United States and other NATO member countries ... laughing
                  Everyone accepts, but ours got caught
                  Yeah, well, how exactly did they "get caught", that is, "asthmatics" from Denmark and Norway, WADA does not see at close range, but does see meldonium from Sharapova.


                  About sisters Brothers Williams, I just modestly keep silent ... And then yes, ours "got caught", the rest just side by side peacefully smoked ... marijuana ...

                  P.S. The Olympic Games are NOT SPORT, they are BUSINESS, and for a long time already !!!
                  Athletes from Russia under the white flag are not RUSSIAN athletes, and I don’t need to tell me that they have a short sports life, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya had a short life, but I still believe she will be remembered, but who such relatives and Tarasova will be forgotten and will be anathematized as General Vlasov.
                  It's a human pity for athletes, but you always have to sacrifice something. Ordinary soldiers in the Brest Fortress sacrificed their lives, and you are just your grandmothers. So I'm not so sorry for you ... You are not our athletes, not Russians !!!
                  Russians wrote in blood DIING BUT I DO NOT GIVE UP! FAREWELL HOMELAND !, and what will you write on your white flag ?!
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 16 March 2021 08: 55
                    -8
                    Quote: Alex_1973
                    P.S. The Olympic Games are NOT SPORT, they are BUSINESS, and for a long time already !!!

                    Quote: Alex_1973
                    Ordinary soldiers in the Brest Fortress sacrificed their lives, and you are just your grandmothers.

                    Quote: Alex_1973
                    Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya had a short life, but I still believe she will be remembered,

                    What are you writing about? What "grandmothers", what kind of Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, what kind of soldiers of the Brest Fortress?
                    Quote: Alex_1973
                    Russians wrote in blood DIING BUT I DO NOT GIVE UP! FAREWELL HOMELAND !, and what will you write on your white flag ?!

                    What else is "my white flag"? How is your health in general? Where and when did I write that I support the performances of athletes from the Russian Federation under the white flag?
                  2. nerd.su
                    nerd.su 21 March 2021 14: 56
                    -2
                    Quote: Alex_1973
                    I'll just keep quiet about the Williams brothers' sisters ...

                    it is in vain that you present the argument in the form of representatives of the negroid race. Such figures are their genetic trait. In Africa, among the common people, not spoiled by good nutrition, such specimens are found. If you add good nutrition and exercise to this genetics, then we get the Williams sisters. They probably dope doping, but rather for the work of the cardiovascular system. What a thread is the American analogue of Mildronate, muscles do not grow from it.
                    1. Sergey Ivanov_17
                      Sergey Ivanov_17 April 6 2021 08: 12
                      0
                      Do you think that you need to forgive: "They may eat doping, but rather for the work of the cardiovascular system." It is illegal! Not from any "What thread is the American analogue of mildronate", or Russian or Vietnamese. Since 2016, the substance belongs to the S4 class of the prohibited list of the World Anti-Doping Agency (hormones and metabolic modulators).
                      1. nerd.su
                        nerd.su April 6 2021 08: 16
                        0
                        In my opinion, the Williams sisters' figures are not proof that they are doping. Everything else is your wet fantasy.
                      2. Sergey Ivanov_17
                        Sergey Ivanov_17 April 6 2021 08: 23
                        0
                        Then do not write about what they "possibly" burst. You didn't stand there with a candle. No evidence, no charge, no anti-doping agency report. And the "figures" of sisters-brothers are no longer for this topic - for amateurs.
                      3. nerd.su
                        nerd.su April 6 2021 09: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Sergey Ivanov_17
                        Then do not write about what they "possibly" burst.

                        Do you forbid me? laughing
                        Quote: Sergey Ivanov_17
                        No evidence, no charge, no anti-doping agency report.

                        No matter how weighty your opinion or the opinion of the American anti-doping agencies is, now it weighs 800 grams heavier.
                      4. Sergey Ivanov_17
                        Sergey Ivanov_17 April 6 2021 09: 41
                        0
                        I've been on a diabetic diet for half a year now. I lost five kilograms. It became difficult to think. Probably 2 of those 5 kg. - it was the brain.
                      5. nerd.su
                        nerd.su April 6 2021 20: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Sergey Ivanov_17
                        Probably 2 of those 5 kg. - it was the brain.

                        You had a good brain, even bigger than Lenin's. Hold on!
  2. Nazar
    Nazar 15 March 2021 19: 16
    +4
    Blacksmith 55 - another text from "Dubinushka" is more relevant here -
    - But the time will come and the people will wake up
    - He will spread his bent back
    - And to the bar, to gentlemen, to thieves and priests
    - He will raise a large club
    - Eh, we will hoot the club ...
  3. Lycan
    Lycan 19 March 2021 13: 12
    -2
    These words will rally the participants for organized resistance to the police, and a platoon of special forces will have to be called in there. And from this will later follow the disqualification of the Russian national team for Olympus. games for a couple of years. Attention, question: is one song worth several years of disqualification for the entire team?

    Addendum: The Olympic Games are not about defending your land to the last drop of the last fighter's blood.
  • NIKN
    NIKN 15 March 2021 15: 01
    +26
    Quote: Tatiana
    What did Rodnina answer to the question about her US citizenship, patriotism and her daughter living in America?

    this is nonsense, of course, but it doesn't even bother me that much, but how long will these people be in deputies? I have a strong conviction that our State Duma is a dump where they collected all the mediocrity in terms of government. We are run by athletes with broken brains, former criminals, people who, due to their education and intelligence, should not be higher than the foreman of the field-crop brigade, and there should be agricultural education there. request
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 15 March 2021 16: 17
      -20%
      We are run by athletes with broken brains, former criminals, people who, due to their education and intelligence, should not be higher than the foreman of the field-crop brigade, and there should be agricultural education there. request[/ quote] You are controlled by athletes who have nailed your sides ..... criminals who have stuffed your face ..... Gopniks are local ..... I will not say what they did .... You have education, you have intelligence -but don't plant potatoes in the ground and tomatoes with cucumbers ...... Tell us, what are you famous for and what you can do not with your mouth and tongue, but with your HANDS! Do you know a shovel and a pitchfork ...... And what is a rake, not hands, of course .......
  • Nazar
    Nazar 15 March 2021 19: 09
    +7
    Tatyana - Zhukovs-Zhurovs-relatives and so on. and others - for $ 100 - they will dig up the mother from the grave and let it be minced, what do they care about the anthem and flag of our country - these creatures have no homeland.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 16 March 2021 15: 44
    +4
    Quote: Tatiana
    What Rodnina replied to the question about her US citizenship

    and what will she say - she earned a lot of money as a coach there.
    And he considers the acquired qualifications acquired solely thanks to himself.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 16 March 2021 16: 29
      +5
      Quote: yehat2
      Quote: Tatiana
      What Rodnina replied to the question about her US citizenship

      and what will she say - she earned a lot of money as a coach there.
      And he considers the acquired qualifications obtained exclusively thanks to himself.

      The same can be said about the rhythmic gymnast champion Olga Gladkikh, who, having become an official for youth policy and sports, told the parents of growing Russian athletes that “the state owes nothing to their children”!
      A scandal erupted - and the official was fired. Now she is exclusively engaged in her sports business. She opened her own sports school. But I think that at the same time in business it does not do without the help of the state.

      Olga Glatskikh the truth about the scandal | Nobody forced the official of Sverdlovsk to give birth. 7
  • nickname7
    nickname7 17 March 2021 03: 21
    +4

    What did Rodnina answer to the question about her US citizenship?

    And who appointed and approved a US citizen, a deputy, probably the CIA? Where do sportsmen and foreigners come from in the Duma?
    If you look at the English parliament, then all the functionaries there have higher education in jurisprudence and management, they are all professional managers, not sportsmen. That is why Roschinushi are not able to outplay managers. Hence the problems in sports. Disgusting personnel policy, and traitors sit directly in the Kremlin.
  • nemez
    nemez 17 March 2021 06: 40
    +1
    I didn’t know. It's a pity, I got sick, although it’s far from the Ural lightning.
  • Your stranger
    Your stranger 15 March 2021 12: 28
    +8
    In the ussr, those caught doping and so on were expelled from sports,
    And in the Russian Federation they are trying to bleach them,
    This is the reason for the mock reaction
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 15 March 2021 12: 36
      +15
      Quote: Stranger
      In the ussr, those caught doping and so on were expelled from sports,
      And in the Russian Federation they are trying to bleach them,
      This is the reason for the mock reaction

      Rather, not a reason, but an excuse. Many Western athletes with dubious substances also have different relationships, but the whole country is not boycotted because of this. So there is a serious political background. On the other hand, in the West, the legal aspects of the use of these very substances are being worked out much more thoroughly ("not doping, but a remedy for asthma," etc.); ours in this regard behaved quite irresponsibly. But, of course, the overall situation is very sad.
      1. Your stranger
        Your stranger 15 March 2021 13: 12
        -2
        In the west, doping of an athlete, and in the Russian Federation, unfortunately, a laboratory was connected
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 15 March 2021 13: 37
          +13
          This can be characterized by only one thing - disrespect for your country, for the flag, for the anthem and complete political impotence and just stupidity in combination
          with the complete shortsightedness of our leadership. fool A SHAME!!!!
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 15 March 2021 14: 09
            -25%
            Quote: Proxima
            This can be characterized by only one thing - disrespect for your country, for the flag, for the anthem.

            so don't look OI ... what questions?
            1. qQQQ
              qQQQ 15 March 2021 14: 39
              +14
              Quote: NEOZ
              so don't look OI ... what questions?

              Personally, I did this a long time ago, after the first sanctions. I don't really want to see me publicly humiliated in the face of the country. Who cares, I don't.
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 15 March 2021 18: 54
              +7
              Quote: NEOZ
              well, like this do not look OI ... what questions?

              I looked before. And now I don’t look. It became not interesting. Who to root for? For those under the white flag who?
        2. avia12005
          15 March 2021 13: 48
          +7
          In the west, whole pharmaceutical companies are connected
        3. nemez
          nemez 17 March 2021 06: 41
          0
          And there he prescribed it to himself? And they do not conduct developments there?
    2. bk316
      bk316 15 March 2021 12: 40
      +5
      In the ussr, those caught doping and so on were expelled from sports,

      Not all of them. Everything depended on the results ...
      But the fact that now is a mess is a fact. Commerce what can you take from them. sad
      I have become very negative about big sports.
    3. figwam
      figwam 15 March 2021 12: 43
      +5
      Quote: Stranger
      Caught doping in the ussr

      World sport has been doping for a long time and nothing.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 15 March 2021 13: 45
        +5
        Quote: figvam
        World sport has been doping for a long time and nothing.

        And why is he so needed then? And then there are sports in which doping doesn't change anything. Sport should be widespread and accessible.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 15 March 2021 14: 10
          -19%
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Sport should be widespread and accessible.

          is he not like that?
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 15 March 2021 14: 13
            +9
            Quote: NEOZ
            is he not like that?

            Do you live on TV? No, not like that.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 15 March 2021 14: 26
              -18%
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Do you live on TV? No, not like that.

              Which one then?
              if a person wants to play sports, he will do it! all conditions are there !!!!
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 15 March 2021 15: 04
                +12
                Quote: NEOZ
                if a person wants to play sports, he will do it! all conditions are there !!!!

                Either you didn’t play sports seriously in childhood or adolescence, or you live in Moscow and don’t understand how much it costs. Ask how much it costs to play hockey today, for example. In my city for free there is only Greco-Roman wrestling and that on the other side of the city, an excellent sport, but you have to drive children, and this is half a day to lose, there is not always time. Sport is good only when it is mass, and mass sport is of no use to anyone today.
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 15 March 2021 15: 12
                  -13%
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  I only have in town for free

                  what is your city?
                  ps
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Ask how much it costs to play hockey today, for example.

                  do another sport, what's the problem?
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  I have in the city for free

                  and not free? how much does a section cost? ...
                  PPP
                  but in my city there is no Mr. struggle .... I have to carry to a neighboring village (20 km) ... and by the way, too, for free)))))
                  Am I going to your city? wink
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 15 March 2021 21: 57
                    +6
                    Quote: NEOZ
                    what is your city?

                    Labinsk. The meaning of my comment is not about where and what exactly my children should do, but that if children and adults do not go in for sports en masse, as in the USSR, then we will not have "big sports". There will only be doping scandals. Today mass sports are not possible for a number of objective reasons.
                    1. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 16 March 2021 13: 30
                      -3
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      but the fact that if children and adults do not go in for sports en masse,

                      Well, who's stopping you ???
                    2. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 16 March 2021 14: 10
                      -3
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Labinsk

                      SK OLYMPUS
                      (basketball / handball / volleyball / sports dancing / badbinton)
                      Sports wrestling school
                      Wrestling School of Labinsk District
                      Sports school of martial arts
                      MBU SSh IVS
                      (Recruitment announced for 2021 (FOOTBALL, VOLLEYBALL, BEACH VOLLEYBALL and AFK (boccia, powerlifting, athletics))
                      Center for Olympic training in judo and sambo
                      Specialized Children and Youth Sports School of the Olympic Reserve named after N.I. Nefedova
                      MBU USK START
                      Outdoor thermal pool with mineral water
                      not bad for a population of 60 thousand. person!!!!!!!!!!

                      AND YOU DO NOT ENOUGH SPORT ??????
                      ps
                      you are either a whiner or a hypocrite ...... many towns like yours would just envy your infrastructure !!!!!!!!

                      everything is not enough for you .......

                      WHAT STILL YOU NEED ????
                    3. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 16 March 2021 14: 43
                      +2
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      AND YOU DO NOT ENOUGH SPORT ?????? ......

                      Can you read at all? I wrote clearly
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      In my city for free there is only Greco-Roman wrestling and that on the other side of the city, an excellent sport, but you have to drive children, and this is half a day to lose, there is not always time.

                      still wrote
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      The meaning of my comment is not about where and what exactly my children should do, but that if children and adults do not go in for sports en masse, as in the USSR, then we will not have "big sports".

                      Don't you understand this?
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      you are either a whiner or a hypocrite ...... many towns like yours would just envy your infrastructure !!!!!!!!

                      I will not insult you in return. With you, life and so apparently "did not deal kindly", since you and even did not manage to read carefully. Especially for you, I repeat, as a child I went to gymnastics and swimming, from the age of 6 myself, on foot, my parents worked. Everything was free and within walking distance. Navoi city. After moving to the Kuban, from the 4th grade to the army, I went to judo, the same myself, 10 minutes on foot. In any village there was sports, they went to the villages to fight all the time, they had a sports society "Harvest". You judge by subject apparently from TV and Google. Judo for children is paid today, check the cost of hockey with those who live where winter happens, then you will understand that our team will not be the world champion in hockey in the foreseeable future. And to this add more classes at school, a tutor, etc.
                      PS Handball especially touched me. Do you know the cost of classes in the pool? Have you heard about the queue there?
                    4. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 16 March 2021 15: 03
                      -4
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Do you know the cost of classes in the pool? Have you heard about the queue there?

                      apparently not so expensive since there are queues!
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Judo for children today is paid,

                      how? 2000 rub? it is very expensive?
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Check the cost of hockey with those who live where winter happens, then you will understand that our team will not be a world hockey champion in the foreseeable future.

                      do not pull financially hockey, play football !!!!!
                      yes, there are expensive sports (hockey, alpine skiing, golf) ... do cheap !!!!!!
                      what kind of position is this: - "I am sitting on the couch because the state did not buy me a uniform for 50000 rubles!" ???
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      The handball was especially touching.

                      this is also a sport by the way !!!!!
                      ps
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      from the 4th grade to the army I went to judo

                      and did not remember that judo spelled together?
                    5. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 16 March 2021 15: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      how? 2000 rub? it is very expensive?

                      Let's count, we have 17 thousand "middle class", then 2000 * 4 (I have four schoolchildren) is it expensive or not? Also, I wrote,
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      there is only Greco-Roman wrestling and that on the other side of the city, an excellent sport, but you need to drive children, and this is half a day to lose, there is not always time.

                      Do you remember an anecdote about the Chukchi, who is not a reader, but a writer?
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      The handball was especially touching.

                      this is also a sport by the way !!!!!

                      I am aware that sports, however, I wrote about the pool above.
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      and have not remembered that judo is written in one piece?

                      Described, there is a sin.
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      do not pull financially hockey, play football !!!!!
                      yes, there are expensive sports (hockey, alpine skiing, golf) ... do cheap !!!!!!

                      Let me remind you of an anecdote about the Chukchi.
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Check the cost of hockey with those who live where winter happens, then you will understand that our team will not be a world hockey champion in the foreseeable future.

                      And more
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      The meaning of my comment is not about where and what exactly my children should do, but that if children and adults do not go in for sports en masse, as in the USSR, then we will not have "big sports".

                      You so diligently avoid topics that are slippery for you.
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      what kind of position is this: - "I am sitting on the couch because the state did not buy me a uniform for 50000 rubles!" ???

                      And what did you write this for? My children are engaged in Greco-Roman wrestling and sports tourism.
                    6. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 16 March 2021 15: 33
                      0
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      And what did you write this for? My children are engaged in Greco-Roman wrestling and sports tourism.

                      well, that's great !!!!
                      I do not understand why you are unhappy ...
                      I would be happy if I were you, but not complain !!!!
                    7. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 16 March 2021 15: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      I do not understand why you are unhappy ...
                      I would be happy if I were you, but not complain !!!!

                      With this
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      The meaning of my comment is not about where and what exactly my children should do, but that if children and adults do not go in for sports en masse, as in the USSR, then we will not have "big sports". There will only be doping scandals.

                      The fact that under the existing system of social and economic relations we do not have and will not have mass sports.
                  2. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 16 March 2021 15: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Let's count, we have 17 thousand "middle class", then 2000 * 4 (I have four schoolchildren) is it expensive or not?

                    What is your personal salary?
                  3. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 16 March 2021 15: 44
                    0
                    Quote: NEOZ
                    What is your personal salary?

                    I am an entrepreneur, just now I am changing my field of activity, so today my salary is negative.))))) The average salary in my city is from 15 to 20 thousand, as elsewhere in the provinces.
    4. Klingon
      Klingon 17 March 2021 07: 51
      -1
      why the hell go somewhere? what do you mean by sports? practicing at home with weights, dumbbells, pull-ups, jogging, qigong, cycling, etc. is that not a sport or what, then what? When a doctor says to a patient: go in for sports, he does not mean that you must definitely apply for a hockey sect. no, he means that you will finally start running in the morning ... or at least walking, lifting your butt off the couch.
      I go in for sports, qigong at home and ride twenty every day on a bike (and on weekends 150 km or more) and why did these Business athletes surrender to me? I always hated these Olympic games and never watched or watch them. Last time I watched football with my grandfather on TV - it was the final 90! even when Mikhailichenko and Dossaev were playing! all! after that football died for me, as well as any other tele-sport
  • apro
    apro 15 March 2021 14: 53
    +8
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: figvam
    World sport has been doping for a long time and nothing.

    And why is he so needed then? And then there are sports in which doping doesn't change anything. Sport should be widespread and accessible.

    I completely agree. It will only be called physical culture. At the IVS in Tallinn, they relied on physical culture. On a healthy people. Today, sport is a commercial show.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 15 March 2021 21: 42
    +3
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And why is he so needed then?

    This is a show with billions of dollars in profits, that's all. Nothing new under the moon. At one time, Sparta refused to participate in those other Olympic Games, citing the fact that the warriors have nothing to show for themselves, they left for themselves only those types that are needed for the war and scored for the rest. wink
  • dvina71
    dvina71 15 March 2021 13: 15
    +1
    Quote: Stranger
    And in the Russian Federation they are trying to bleach them,

    Tell the Williams brothers this ... the tennis players ... and the gymnast Simone Byles ...
  • nickname7
    nickname7 17 March 2021 04: 07
    +4
    In the ussr, those caught doping and so on were expelled from sports,

    You are behind the times, for now
    Elite sport is the battle of the pharmaceutical industry. It's a shame not to know.
    To get a medal, you need to break the last record, but a person is not a horse, he cannot run faster and faster every time, so doping is imperative.
    For your information, American women runners from the back are indistinguishable from men, because of their athletic build, they even grow mustaches from the farm. US athletes are officially allowed to take certain medications.
    Doping scandals against the Russian Federation are politics and are not related to doping.
    Another thing is the careless work of sports bureaucrats who set up the Russian Federation.
    Thus, a neutral flag is a natural result of the country's gas station policy, in which the oligarchy is engaged in the sale of raw materials and the export of money with the appropriate selection of personnel for leadership positions.
    But the USSR was a superpower and officials were better than the current ones.
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  • Alexga
    Alexga 15 March 2021 12: 34
    +14
    why the Western policy of forcing Russian athletes to shame performances without the anthem and flag of the Russian Federation still remains without a worthy answer

    But there was also this:
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 15 March 2021 12: 40
    +10
    Under the USSR, this could not even be imagined.
    At the same time, the USSR was of a different social formation. And now? Russia, has become a capitalist "sister", and "brothers and sisters" are capitalist, they say: you are not a "sister" to us, but ......
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 March 2021 13: 43
      +4
      Well yes! Slander, accuse .... not respect! And under the USSR, with a different social fimation --- respected!
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Under the USSR, this could not even be imagined.
      At the same time, the USSR was of a different social formation. And now? Russia, has become a capitalist "sister", and "brothers and sisters" are capitalist, they say: you are not a "sister" to us, but ......
  • Clear
    Clear 15 March 2021 12: 45
    +21
    So what we wanted, this is a logical continuation of our dispute - whether our athletes have the right to compete with a neutral flag when they were first banned from Russian symbols.
    Immediately, the advocates shouted that the athlete prepares his whole life and must drive like an impersonal one.
    But, you do not know the smart and calculating Anglo-Saxons. They lured us with this toothlessness of ours, and in the end it will be, as an example in the article ... until the impersonal Russian athlete, publicly, curses Russia, he will not be allowed to start before the start.

    It is clear to everyone except our government that the weak have always been beaten, beaten and will be beaten.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 15 March 2021 14: 12
      +1
      Quote: Clear
      It is clear to everyone except our government that the weak have always been beaten, beaten and will be beaten.

      maybe this is because we are weak?
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 15 March 2021 14: 40
        +5
        Quote: NEOZ
        maybe this is because we are weak?

        Weak and most importantly not decisive.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 15 March 2021 15: 00
          -3
          Quote: qqqq
          Weak and most importantly not decisive.

          when weaklings are very determined ... it ends very badly ...
          1. qQQQ
            qQQQ 15 March 2021 16: 29
            +2
            Quote: NEOZ
            when weaklings are very determined ... it ends very badly ...

            Not always and not everywhere. Sometimes decisiveness makes up for weakness.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 15 March 2021 16: 41
              -2
              Quote: qqqq
              Sometimes decisiveness makes up for weakness.

              please give an example ...
              1. qQQQ
                qQQQ 16 March 2021 08: 51
                +2
                Quote: NEOZ
                please give an example ...

                The first thing that comes to mind is Germany's attack on the USSR, if we take the number, then we clearly outnumbered. Look at Guderian's blows in the first period of the Second World War. For the sake of justice, and if you dig around, then many operations of the USSR since 1944, thanks to decisive actions, and despite a smaller amount of forces, led to success.
      2. Clear
        Clear 15 March 2021 17: 18
        +2
        Quote: NEOZ
        Quote: Clear
        It is clear to everyone except our government that the weak have always been beaten, beaten and will be beaten.

        maybe this is because we are weak?

        Specify where we are weak?
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 15 March 2021 17: 46
          +4
          I will clarify: we are weak in foreign policy, because specialists like Gromyko and Molotov are completely absent. Lavrov can only light a cigarette and frown, and Masha can also dance.
          1. Clear
            Clear 15 March 2021 17: 58
            0
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            I will clarify: we are weak in foreign policy, because specialists like Gromyko and Molotov are completely absent. Lavrov can only light a cigarette and frown, and Masha can also dance.

            But this is not the weakness of the state, but not the competence and irresponsibility of specialists "hired by ad" and far from state thinking.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 15 March 2021 18: 03
              +2
              But after all, these "hired by ad" speak on behalf of the country, on behalf of the people, they also express the state point of view. Therefore, it is called - the weakness of the state.
              1. Clear
                Clear 15 March 2021 19: 20
                +1
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                speak on behalf of the country, on behalf of the people, they also express the state point of view.

                Maybe they'll come to their senses winked
            2. Alf
              Alf 15 March 2021 22: 22
              +1
              Quote: Clear
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              I will clarify: we are weak in foreign policy, because specialists like Gromyko and Molotov are completely absent. Lavrov can only light a cigarette and frown, and Masha can also dance.

              But this is not the weakness of the state, but not the competence and irresponsibility of specialists "hired by ad" and far from state thinking.

              And who keeps such incompetent and irresponsible specialists at work? Who says - Satisfied with the work of the government?
              Just do not repeat the words of the nullified-And where to get others.
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 16 March 2021 13: 24
          0
          Quote: Clear
          Specify where we are weak?

          this is a question, not a statement ....
      3. Alf
        Alf 15 March 2021 22: 21
        +1
        Quote: NEOZ
        Quote: Clear
        It is clear to everyone except our government that the weak have always been beaten, beaten and will be beaten.

        maybe this is because we are weak?

        A counter question, who brought it to such a state? Are they not the ones who still rule?
        1. Clear
          Clear 16 March 2021 12: 38
          +4
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: NEOZ
          Quote: Clear
          It is clear to everyone except our government that the weak have always been beaten, beaten and will be beaten.

          maybe this is because we are weak?

          A counter question, who brought it to such a state? Are they not the ones who still rule?

          No doubt they are. But they did not bring, and did not overcome in themselves fear and love in front of their idol - the "enlightened" West.
          1. Alf
            Alf 17 March 2021 05: 36
            +2
            Quote: Clear
            But they did not bring, and did not overcome in themselves fear and love in front of their idol - the "enlightened" West.

            There is no fear, there is love. There would be fear, there would be no children, no bills and no real estate there.
            1. Clear
              Clear 17 March 2021 12: 20
              +3
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: Clear
              But they did not bring, and did not overcome in themselves fear and love in front of their idol - the "enlightened" West.

              There is no fear, there is love. There would be fear, there would be no children, no bills and no real estate there.

              I meant - the fear of punishment.
              1. Alf
                Alf 17 March 2021 21: 46
                +1
                Quote: Clear
                Quote: Alf
                Quote: Clear
                But they did not bring, and did not overcome in themselves fear and love in front of their idol - the "enlightened" West.

                There is no fear, there is love. There would be fear, there would be no children, no bills and no real estate there.

                I meant - the fear of punishment.

                Fear of punishment? By whom ?
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 15 March 2021 13: 09
    +17
    Quote: WHAT IS
    Under the USSR, this was not even possible. The state respected its Flag, Coat of Arms, Anthem.

    The USSR respected itself.
    The 1980 Olympics were boycotted by 65 states.
    But athletes from 81 countries came and competed! And most of them were not from the socialist bloc.
    Russia is a great country! The Russian people are a great people! The Russian language is a great language! A Russian athlete is an athlete from Russia!
    When we learn to respect ourselves, then others will begin to respect ... Even enemies ... as it was during the Soviet era. They hated, feared, but respected.
    Forbidden to perform under the national anthem, let them go through the forest ... Hold your Olympic Games ..!
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 15 March 2021 14: 40
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18
      feared but respected.

      to be afraid and respect - in politics these are synonyms, we have a bad habit of saying that we are peaceful, and it is time to eradicate it ...
  • Svarog
    Svarog 15 March 2021 13: 30
    +17
    Quote: WHAT IS
    Under the USSR, this was not even possible. The state respected its Flag, Coat of Arms, Anthem and no one was even allowed to think about banning them from competitions.

    Under the USSR, it was generally impossible to imagine such a future. The meaning of this event is completely lost and it is impossible for a self-respecting country to take part .. if the country considers itself an LLC .. then it is understandable ..
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 15 March 2021 13: 42
    +23
    Under the USSR, this could not even be imagined.The state respected its Flag, Coat of Arms, Anthem and no one was even allowed to consider banning them from competition.


    And now, on May 9, we are covering our own Mausoleum ..
    So after this there is nothing to blame the West .. We ourselves have a "State" with such a beam in its eye that first we need to deal with them ..
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 15 March 2021 14: 06
    -9
    Quote: WHAT IS
    in the USSR, this could not even be imagined

    Well, you yourself ruined the USSR, why are you whining now?
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 15 March 2021 14: 46
      +3
      Quote: NEOZ
      Well, you yourself ruined the USSR, why are you whining now?

      the USSR was destroyed not by people but by Hollywood with the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 15 March 2021 15: 18
        -7
        Quote: aybolyt678
        the USSR was destroyed not by people but by Hollywood with the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union

        Yes, yes, there are people who are to blame for everything, but not them !!!!!
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 15 March 2021 20: 32
          +1
          you deserve your coveted minus laughing if you want I will always put it. But, frankly, there are people whose desires are stronger than the will of hundreds of millions. Beat your forehead against the wall
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 16 March 2021 16: 42
            -4
            Quote: aybolyt678
            you deserve your coveted minus if you want, I will always bet.

            People mocked Him, friends left Him, He was well aware of pain and illness. People despised Him and refused to notice Him as those from whom we look away. But He took upon Himself our suffering and took our pain, and we thought that God was punishing Him and beating Him for what He did Himself. But pain and suffering were given to Him for our sins, He was punished through our fault, and the debt that we had to repay by accepting the punishment fell on Him. We were healed because of Him .........
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 16 March 2021 18: 17
              0
              do you mean Jesus or Joseph?
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 15 March 2021 15: 36
        +4
        Quote: aybolyt678
        the USSR was destroyed not by people but by Hollywood with the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union

        I'm embarrassed to ask - this is Hollywood or the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union:

        Crow settlement in 1991 was set on fire from all sides. And now everyone is playing the "heroes of the Maidan" - no, what are you, I did not participate, I was against it at all.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 15 March 2021 17: 56
          +1
          This is a photo from Manezhnaya Square and I was in this crowd when I was a young student in Moscow. Slogans from the rostrum were against Gorbachev and his best “Kents” - Lukyanov and Ligachev.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 15 March 2021 20: 55
          +3
          He was Hollywood in their heads .. Soviet people believed the word printed and the heroes of the screen. Was accustomed to believe. I sincerely believed in the Party that started Perestroika, believed in the enemies of Perestroika and the Market that will give everyone a villa and luxury cars .. And by the way, I was also against tanks in Moscow and "independence of Russia" I was only at that time in a Siberian village
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 16 March 2021 11: 06
            +4
            Quote: aybolyt678
            The Soviet people believed the word printed and the heroes of the screen.

            Directly - no longer believed. Soviet people did not believe what was printed or said from the screen, but what they managed to read between the lines.
            In addition, by the 80s, the enthusiasm of the masses, on which the CPSU (b) / CPSU traveled earlier, practically dried up. The people are tired of waiting for a bright future, about which party bawls from the stands poured out to him. Moreover, if earlier the situation was saved by the fact that people and party are one, then by the 80s the people saw that a bright future for the party leadership, even at the middle level, had already come - and on his, people's, hump. Individuals, such as the party organizer of one of the large factories, who came to Smolny on a bicycle, could no longer correct the general picture.
            And then there was a series of high-profile cases of bribery. And although the media assured that these are separate cases of the lower and middle level, and all the perpetrators will be severely punished, the people brought up by the same Soviet media read between the lines: the scapegoats and some of the too smeared officials of the regional or republican level may be punished, but those who have covered this mess in Moscow for decades and skimmed the cream off of it will remain unpunished. For no one believed that without a furry paw in Moscow, such a thing could have been done at all.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 16 March 2021 14: 46
              0
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Directly - no longer believed.

              I agree, but he believed that this system had to be broken and justice had to be achieved ... It was impossible to turn an idea into a dogma, and it was necessary to work on a system of control, education and the elimination of power.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 15 March 2021 17: 50
      +4
      An interesting statement. "We were breaking up the USSR" .... Personally, I, like many tens of millions, just worked. Provided myself and loved ones about food, home environment and so on. Who are we?
    3. Usher
      Usher 16 March 2021 17: 34
      0
      Quote: NEOZ
      Quote: WHAT IS
      in the USSR, this could not even be imagined

      Well, you yourself ruined the USSR, why are you whining now?

      I agree 100%. Everyone remembers Tsoi's songs "Changes", etc. How merrily we ran in 91 and 93 in the squares. Rejoiced at the collapse of the Berlin Wall? They themselves chose chewing gum, jeans, that is, the minority that was in Moscow. And now the whole country is clearing up the porridge.
  • 210ox
    210ox 15 March 2021 14: 10
    +13
    So the Chief One admitted our guilt. So now only repent and pay, pay and repent. What kind of sovereignty can we talk about when such people are at the helm. Here is today's example - our diplomat in the Council of Europe said that leaving the Council of Europe, OSCE, PACE and others would harm our country, because we will not be able to participate in resolving issues related to civil rights, filming joint films and so on. All! We pay and repent.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 15 March 2021 14: 12
      +10
      will harm our country, because we will not be able to participate in the decision civil rights issues



      But we kick away from international courts so that we even change the Constitution ..))
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 15 March 2021 14: 19
        +8
        Quote: Roman070280
        But we kick away from international courts so that we even change the Constitution ..))

        This is not why the Constitution was changed. It will not be possible to kick out of international courts, as Dmitry correctly noted above ... we will pay and repent.
        In the meantime, we pay and repent, we will live like Africans .. for the colony is the role assigned.
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 16 March 2021 22: 38
    +2
    In the USSR, athletes played for the Motherland, now for dollars.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 17 March 2021 07: 54
    +1
    Under the USSR, this was not even possible. The state respected its Flag, Coat of Arms, Anthem and no one was even allowed to think about banning them from competitions.

    And we were more honest in the USSR, and when sport was turned into a business, then it started. I remember how Chegin (one of the main culprits of these events, the walker coach) rode a nine ... and then it flooded ... the hero of the Olympics, the creator of champions, and you can imagine a palace. And then the doping scandal, but nothing was taken away from him, no honorary titles, no prize money. Even from time to time, WADA is outraged that a doping hero is periodically noticed in training, and in principle, the prison is crying for him, because of these, the flag and anthem were taken away from us, and we are outraged ... and the reason is that the vanity of some " comrades ", remembering galoshes, manifested itself in the thirst for the highest achievements in sports, and not in the well-being of ordinary citizens.
  • Alex Thinking
    Alex Thinking April 8 2021 19: 56
    0
    So it is necessary to raise the flag of the USSR and sing the anthem of the USSR !!!
  • Woodman
    Woodman 15 March 2021 12: 13
    +8
    Hockey players, in principle, are great. As for everything else - only swearing, but this is prohibited ...
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 15 March 2021 12: 14
    +47
    I was opposed to the participation of our athletes in the past Olympic Games and I remain an even greater opponent in the forthcoming ones on such conditions. I express my disrespect to the athletes who will take part in them under a neutral flag.
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS 15 March 2021 12: 15
      +37
      This is disrespect for the Flag and Anthem of the country that raised them.
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 15 March 2021 12: 29
        +13
        He drives the loot. The rest are "macaroshki". "For tomorrow" yes.
        1. kepmor
          kepmor 15 March 2021 12: 46
          +12
          especially "patriotic" afterwards and warm places in government structures ... in extreme cases in the near-trone beau monde ... but pronounce - the anthem, coat of arms, flag ...
          everything and everyone has its own gesheft ...
      2. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 15 March 2021 14: 47
        +13
        Putin told you in plain text: "We must go." And Rodnina said in plain text: "Don't need Katyusha with a hymn." Do you have something against the authorities? You are probably a navalnist, liberalist and agent of the State Department?
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 15 March 2021 12: 46
      +8
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      I was opposed to the participation of our athletes in the past Olympic Games and I remain an even greater opponent in the forthcoming ones on such conditions.

      good
      This is where it would be interesting to find out the opinion of users by a simple vote. If the majority thinks so, then why does this not happen in life?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 15 March 2021 14: 21
        +6
        Quote: ROSS 42
        This is where it would be interesting to find out the opinion of users by a simple vote. If the majority thinks so, then why does this not happen in life?

        True democracy was only under the USSR. Now the opinion of the majority does not interest .. there is only the opinion of the ruling elite.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 15 March 2021 14: 30
          +1
          Quote: Svarog
          Now the opinion of the majority does not interest .. there is only the opinion of the ruling elite.

          So they would know who is here "Secretly visits his mistress" spends his free time from power ... laughing
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 15 March 2021 12: 16
    +11
    The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) banned Russia from using the song "Katyusha" instead of the anthem at the Olympic Games in Tokyo in the summer of 2021 and in Beijing in February 2022.
    ..In other words, the CAS recognized Russia as a semi-colony with nuclear weapons. Under Yeltsin, they brought it to our knees, and we still stand.
    1. krops777
      krops777 15 March 2021 13: 24
      -14%
      Under Yeltsin, we put on our knees, and we stand.

      It is not necessary to speak for everyone, if you think so, then continue on your knees, I personally do not and I am not going to stand, I wanted to spit on the USA and their bedding.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 15 March 2021 13: 51
        +14
        Quote: krops777
        if you think so, then keep on your knees, I personally do not and I am not going to stand, I wanted to spit on the United States and their bedding.

        And how is this expressed? Have you switched from Windows to linux, buy goods only from domestic manufacturers, drive only in the domestic auto industry, and so on? Or spitting to America only happens on the VO website?
        1. anykin
          anykin 15 March 2021 23: 48
          +5
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          do you buy goods only from domestic manufacturers, drive only the domestic auto industry, and so on?

          You have listed the hopelessness of Soviet citizens.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 16 March 2021 08: 41
            +2
            Quote: anykin
            You have listed the hopelessness of Soviet citizens.

            No, the Soviet auto industry in places was not at all hopeless. As well as a number of Soviet goods.
        2. krops777
          krops777 16 March 2021 02: 54
          -3
          And how is this expressed? Have you switched from Windows to linux, buy goods only from domestic manufacturers, drive only in the domestic auto industry, and so on? Or spitting to America only happens on the VO website?


          What does the goods have to do with it? Your life only closes in on them then, but everything is lost for you, which the United States sought, instilled in the Soviet people, it did it. Don't give a damn about America on VO, by the way, it is also an element of information warfare.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 16 March 2021 08: 45
            +5
            Quote: krops777
            And what does the goods have to do with it? .......

            Is my post about goods? How is your "spitting on America" ​​expressed?


            Quote: krops777
            Don't give a damn about America on VO, by the way, it is also an element of information warfare.

            You start an information war from the wrong end.
    2. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 15 March 2021 14: 49
      +5
      Under Yeltsin, did they wipe their feet on Russia? There was no such thing.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 16 March 2021 12: 21
        +1
        We didn’t wipe it, the best friends of the United States were, “my friend Bill,” but then from what knees did they raise them now, if they didn’t set them then?
  • tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 15 March 2021 12: 20
    +11
    It is necessary to drive vzasha with a complete ban on work, except for felling. Cleaning is needed. So that Stalin's chips flew to the border of sunny Magadan (and settled there).
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 15 March 2021 14: 23
      +8
      Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      It is necessary to drive vzasha with a complete ban on work, except for felling. Cleaning is needed. So that Stalin's chips flew to the border of sunny Magadan (and settled there).

      Cleansing will not help with this tuning. We need a socialist ideology .. this is the foundation .. and without it a house cannot be built ..
  • g1v2
    g1v2 15 March 2021 12: 21
    +15
    There is one thing. These athletes have never really represented Russia as a state. They represented the Russian Olympic Committee. That is, the international Olympic movement is an international organization with branches in countries. We have OCD. The Ministry of Sports or the state cannot appoint its functionaries or change the order. When a state tries to interfere in the affairs of federations or Olympic national committees, the country is removed. That is, the IOC can do whatever it wants with athletes from Russia, because this is the ROC-its branch and its athletes in fact. Can assign them any hymn, any rule change, etc. And the state cannot interfere, because it is an international public organization and does not obey it, if it does not violate the law. request
    You can wring your hands and express indignation as much as you like. In the event of any government intervention, the OCD will simply be banned and excommunicated from all tournaments. In my opinion, there is only one solution. We need to build our own, not amateur, but professional sports. Like the states. Here they have an NHL or NBA, where athletes earn money and do not care for all the Olympics and the IOC. If the league prohibits, then the athletes will choose it, because they earn money there. It is necessary to build our own Leagues and tournaments, where athletes will earn and then it will be possible to spit on the IOC and WADA exactly the same from a high tower. request
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 15 March 2021 12: 28
      -3
      It is necessary to build our own Leagues and tournaments, where athletes will earn and then it will be possible to spit on the IOC and WADA exactly the same from a high tower.
      "Where does the money come from, Zin?" (C) .Gazprom and Rosneft will not pull it all. smile Money is needed to organize what you are talking about.
    2. bar
      bar 15 March 2021 12: 44
      +8
      Quote: g1v2
      Here they have an NHL or NBA, where athletes earn money and do not care about anything.

      We also have the KHL, everything is fine. And in other sports it is necessary to do the same. At the same time, remember the Soviet experience of the "sports days of peoples". And stop investing money in commercial shows such as mundials and olympiads. This money should be used to develop mass sports, and not to cost megastructures, which, after the end of these shows, stand idle, decline and a lot of funds for their useless maintenance, without bringing any benefit.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 16 March 2021 12: 27
        +1
        We also have a KHL
        ..There are good sponsorship money, plus advertising, broadcasting rights and not bad loot, a commercial project, and which of the sponsors will invest in the Spartakiad of the Peoples of Russia?
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 15 March 2021 13: 05
      +3
      Quote: g1v2
      There is one thing. These athletes have never really represented Russia as a state. They represented the Russian Olympic Committee. I.e

      And where do they get funding from? From the Olympic Committee or from Russia?
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 15 March 2021 16: 28
        +1
        Exactly. The state finances what it does not control. It is clear that it is possible to influence through this, and it is clear that there are other ways, but in any case this is an indirect influence, not a control.
    4. Free wind
      Free wind 15 March 2021 13: 34
      +3
      Do you think we have an amateur sport? Or somewhere in the world? What's the difference between the KHL championship, or the Russian ice hockey championship. There are just spectacular views, and there is complete sucks. Well have you seen walking? Guys are walking, wagging their backs, damn it is a sport of high achievements. And you think the audience is watching? And then again squeals, but he didn’t walk, he ran, and so on. About doping the same, they didn’t take it from the categorical no, then, well, they sniffed a little, and at the end they swallowed.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 15 March 2021 16: 26
        +1
        It's called amateur. The professional is the one where the athletes earn. The KHL is just a great example of where to move. If some kinds of sports are not interesting to the population or developmental, then why develop them? In fact, many kinds of sports develop only because they are Olympic and bring medals at the Olympics. Curling or ice hockey brings the same medals at the Olympics. But if you stop playing this game and focus on those sports that people like or develop their physical health, then it will be possible to build another sport and even make money on it.
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 15 March 2021 18: 15
          0
          Do you think that the runner makes money on the farm by jerking the boobs of the cows? Does he train in between calving, after threshing a plow? Just for fun, for a hobby. Sports have long been professional.
          1. Ilya22558
            Ilya22558 16 March 2021 11: 50
            +1
            And what, it would be nice))) As it was in the famous movie: "How much better Yeromolova would play in the theater if she worked at a grinding machine during the daytime"
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 15 March 2021 12: 25
    +25
    Our country, in my opinion, pays too much attention to sports - as before, as in the USSR, we look at it from the point of view of some kind of international prestige and some quality indicators, according to which we overtake the "pernicious west".
    It would be worth paying more attention to scientific activity and its popularization - rather than chasing the exceeding of some records by a couple of millimeters or a fraction of a second, and even more so to dump tens or hundreds of millions on football.
    A country around the world in our time is better promoted not by some abstract sport or "Katyusha" sung in chorus, but by a convenient tourist infrastructure, the production of interesting and popular content and products in the world, the creation of an attractive lifestyle, living and working conditions.
    The sport of high performance is an element of the past, so beloved by us, in which we shared the orange in Tehran and Yalta.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 15 March 2021 12: 51
      +4
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      A country around the world in our time is better promoted not by some abstract sport or "Katyusha" sung in chorus, but by a convenient tourist infrastructure, the production of interesting and popular content and products in the world, the creation of an attractive lifestyle, living and working conditions.

      good
      Quote: Basarev
      for them, Russia is only poaching grounds (it differs from hunting grounds that hunting farms take the health and reproduction of animals and forests very seriously, and the poacher does not care).

      good
      Quote: Mikhail3
      And who said that these people are from Russia? They are private individuals, hired clowns participating in shows organized by American show business.

      yes
  • Basarev
    Basarev 15 March 2021 12: 25
    +18
    It's simple. Sports officials do not oppose, because they themselves are creatures without a homeland and a flag. They fully think of themselves in the West, for them Russia is only poaching grounds (it differs from hunting grounds that hunting farms take the health and reproduction of animals and forests very seriously, and the poacher does not care about this).
  • antivirus
    antivirus 15 March 2021 12: 25
    +8
    it's better to sing Dubinushka ... but it's dangerous - where are the workers,
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 15 March 2021 13: 18
      -2
      Quote: antivirus
      it's better to sing Dubinushka ... but it's dangerous - where are the workers,

      There is also a well-known and harmless for the whole world song "Kalinka-Malinka" ... let our athletes sing it ... laughing
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 15 March 2021 13: 32
        +1
        it is sung at fairgrounds in booths and with trained bears.
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 15 March 2021 14: 10
          -4
          Quote: antivirus
          it is sung at fairgrounds in booths and with trained bears.

          Even so .... another singing song "Black raven - what are you hovering over my head?" laughing
      2. kepmor
        kepmor 15 March 2021 13: 37
        +6
        but why really .... to have a carouse like that ... then the "Vladimir Central" will come off ... laughing wassat
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 15 March 2021 14: 12
          -4
          Quote: kepmor
          but why really .... to have a carouse like that ... then the "Vladimir Central" will come off ... laughing wassat

          I am afraid the Merikans will not understand our prison camp chanson ... request laughing
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 15 March 2021 14: 39
          0
          it's better to go out to the Buryat shaman tambourine
        3. Ilya22558
          Ilya22558 16 March 2021 11: 27
          +1
          Then the International is better ... Or the Marseillaise.
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 15 March 2021 16: 14
        +1
        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
        There is also a well-known and harmless for the whole world song "Kalinka-Malinka" ... let our athletes sing it ...

        Better "Peddlers" - in which case you can dismiss that this is the topic of "Tetris". smile
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 15 March 2021 12: 30
    +13
    And who said that these people are from Russia? They are private individuals, hired clowns participating in shows organized by American show business. I don't understand why on earth these people are allowed to use the Russian flag and anthem free of charge. And it is even more incomprehensible why the American show business prepares these clowns at the expense of our country ?!
    We have a huge number of benefits, preferences, tax breaks and, the nastiest, direct cash payments for people who are actors in low-standard American shows. Why on earth are we paying for someone else's performance ?!
    Taxes should be raised from them three times, this will be correct and fair! As a citizen of Russia, I do not care a thousand times that one of them there came first to the finish line. But why should the income of my country go directly to the filling of the American wallet, this is not clear to me. Generally incomprehensible ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 15 March 2021 12: 57
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail3
      As a citizen of Russia, I do not care a thousand times that one of them there came first to the finish line.

      And it will be funny for me when world records are lower than the sporting achievements of Russian competitions.
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 15 March 2021 13: 03
      +5
      Quote: Mikhail3
      But why should the income of my country go directly to the filling of the American wallet, this is not clear to me. Generally incomprehensible ...

      and you, in any case, replenish their wallet, whether you like it or not, a visa card or master cards ... bank accounts ... the dollar exchange rate in the country, which our government buys and a lot of other things, even the same Internet through which you write, replenishes the American budget ((....
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 15 March 2021 17: 39
        0
        I know. But I still write what I write. What is it for?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 March 2021 12: 30
    +5
    The question is, what can you say?
    So pi pi pi .......
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 March 2021 13: 46
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      The question is, what can you say?
      So pi pi pi .......

      to your question, Victor, hi I have the answer ---- pi pi pi pi pi ......
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 March 2021 14: 54
        +3
        We are no longer the USSR, there is no CMEA nearby, and there are fewer other helpers!
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 15 March 2021 15: 13
          +4
          During the Soviet era, our first places showed the superiority of the Soviet, socialist state. Now capitalism, socialism is defeated, destroyed, this is what our country is reminded of all the time
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 March 2021 15: 59
            +2
            Quote: Reptiloid
            socialism defeated

            Until it is obvious, an idea, a dream cannot be killed completely ... time will put everything in its place!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 15 March 2021 17: 14
              +2
              I'm talking about that specific time and events when the USSR and CMEA were. And the Warsaw Pact
              .... an idea, a dream cannot be completely killed ...
              good good
              What do you need to remember here? Not a single system replaced the previous one instantly. The struggle was old and new. Capitalism took more than 200 years to develop. Invaders and traitors rejoice early. Now it is clear that the destruction began by Khrushchev, causing damage to the World Socialist System, which was created by J.V. Stalin. Well, the foreigners immediately accelerated, although the corn plant had already been driven.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 15 March 2021 19: 18
                +1
                In short, for our century, which is not long, alas, there will be enough events.
                Will we see the realization of our dream, the question ???
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 15 March 2021 19: 31
                  +2
                  Victor, at least see the changes leading to dreams? I think, with awareness, with knowledge of what happened, we will understand
                  I like how, at the beginning of 1917, Lenin assumed and regretted that he would not see the proletarian revolution. And everything went the other way around!
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 15 March 2021 19: 37
                    +2
                    No need to wait for the weather by the sea!
                    Do what you should and be what happens!
                    I am sure that someone from those to whom I have set the correct guidelines will make my dreams come true.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 15 March 2021 20: 01
                      +3
                      I think they will understand that everyone needs it, Victor
                      Quote: rocket757
                      No need to wait for the weather by the sea!
                      Do what you should and be what happens!
                      I am sure that someone from those to whom I have set the correct guidelines will make my dreams come true.

                      And I remembered how in 2015, in 2016 I participated in the BLOCKED READING competition. At that time, professional artists, amateur groups, and individuals took part. You know, the competition was held from morning to evening, there were many venues. And age - from first-grade students to WWII veterans.
                      How worried the schoolchildren were! Much stronger than adults.
                      How are they now?
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 15 March 2021 12: 33
    +10
    Enough. We have had enough. This is no longer a sport. The spirit of sports has been completely destroyed by the West, who first invented the so-called "doping" and then turned sport into a competition of cans of urine.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 15 March 2021 12: 54
      +4
      Quote: Pavel73
      Enough. We have had enough.

      We do not have enough for dubious-looking "women" with beards, Adam's apple and no primary signs to perform in competitions in women's rhythmic (and sports, too) gymnastics ...
    2. bk316
      bk316 15 March 2021 15: 05
      +5
      Enough. We have had enough.

      By the way, yes. This is the case when it is good to ask the people. Personally, I don’t need this kind of sport at my expense. I'm not even talking about chemistry, although I certainly don't need it. I'm generally talking about these games with athletes millionaires who change their health and life itself for loot. I don’t need it. Sport should be popular and popular, sport should be a joy, and the competitive spirit is good, but it should not break destinies. In the end, it's time to remember de Coubertin and kick all these wads and mocks. am
      In general, I think that the ideal form of competition is what is called festivals. It's not for the sake of advertising, look at https://goldsazan.ru/news/itogi_festivalya_i_maslenitsy/
      Look at the people, their faces are happy, they do not cry and do not swear, and passions were boiling all the time during the competition.
  • Nestor Vlakhovski
    Nestor Vlakhovski 15 March 2021 12: 34
    +1
    For doping, both the athlete and the official who "advised" him to take illicit drugs should bear the head penalty. Crime should never be encouraged by allowing fraudsters to continue performing, even under a neutral flag. The criminals have no citizenship.
  • 113262a
    113262a 15 March 2021 12: 36
    +13
    Shame! Guberniev-drive with a filthy broom, so as not to drown for neutral status. And the athletes were just like insolent! They train for the state account, mow, and then they cry that their lives have been broken! Go to work, for the good of Russia, otherwise they will beckon a little, just over the hill! And will Pushkin return the grandmother over the years of your coaching?
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 15 March 2021 13: 21
      +4
      Quote: 113262
      Shame! Guberniev-drive with a filthy broom, so as not to drown for neutral status. And the athletes were just like insolent! They train for the state account, mow, and then they cry that their lives have been broken! Go to work, for the good of Russia, otherwise they will beckon a little, just over the hill! And will Pushkin return the grandmother over the years of your coaching?

      The sport of high achievements is now completely different from what it was 30-40 years ago, it is a business ... It's just a business. Everything for money and everything for money ...
      And you get to know these laws of the sprot services market from childhood. It takes a lot of money, connections and time to grow as an athlete. An athlete today is a business project that must definitely pay off ... Therefore, athletes go to all international competitions, and therefore it becomes secondary for them, under what melody they will be awarded, under what flag they will perform ...
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 15 March 2021 15: 05
        +3
        Please do not confuse professional and amateur sports. I gave the child to the section not for professional sports, but so that he would not wander around the gateways in the society of dubious personalities, but develop, physically and under the supervision of an intelligent and adult coach. The family is my control and upbringing. Outside the family - in the section - supervision - coach. And I respect his coach more than some of our "champions" in the Kremlin jeeps. May God grant him health and happiness. In addition, for the boy, the trainer3 is the authority. And I am sure he will not teach his students anything bad.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 15 March 2021 15: 51
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Please do not confuse professional and amateur sports.

          I wrote about a professional one.
          Although it starts small, with a section, then - the school of the Olympic reserve, and so on ...
          If you ask the question specifically - physical development, then yes ..
          If you raise the question of the development of a child as an athlete, then a business approach begins ...
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 15 March 2021 16: 39
            +1
            In this, yes. (In the business approach) But personally dubious for me, these business approaches ”I think the best“ business ”is to give a child a good specialty or education. And in sports, out of a million, one will become a champion.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 15 March 2021 17: 37
              +1
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              the best business is to give a child a good specialty or education.

              Certainly.
  • And
    And 15 March 2021 12: 37
    +6
    He stopped watching sports broadcasts of international competitions after the Russian national team stopped taking part there. Athletes who go to competitions in the current realities are simply tourists, who represent only themselves and their own interests, and I am not obliged to root for and worry about every tourist.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 15 March 2021 18: 18
      0
      Recently I learned that even in auto racing (Formula 1) it was forbidden for our rider to place the colors of the Russian flag on a helmet or on a car, not to mention the anthem and the real flag.
      1. And
        And 16 March 2021 08: 53
        +3
        Actually, what I wrote about, the athletes are not official representatives of Russia, so it would be worthwhile to refuse any broadcasts on the territory of the country (whoever wants can watch any competitions on the Internet). Refusal to buy broadcasts on the territory of the country and pay all kinds of fees for participation in various international organizations and events would hit the wallet of the bourgeoisie, which would make them think. True, then our officials will not be able to travel on business trips.
        But the use of "Katyusha" as an anthem at the Olympics, in my opinion, could only be suggested by a person who is completely disrespectful and does not care about his country. Your Motherland has official symbols (anthem, coat of arms, flag), you may or may not like them like it, but disrespect and a ban on their use on the part of other countries is disrespect for your Motherland. Therefore, there should be only one answer - either our athletes perform under our flag and sing our anthem, or they do not go to competitions at all, with the exception of those who wants to do it at their own expense, as ordinary tourists. And the "Katyusha" is generally a symbol of the staunchness and self-sacrifice of the Soviet people during the Great Patriotic War, which made it possible to win the war, people died, but did not give up. Katyusha ", standing under a white flag, and then being offended that you were not allowed to do it - this is what surrealism, I just don't have decent words, just mate.
  • SiberianGun
    SiberianGun 15 March 2021 12: 39
    +12
    For a long time I wonder why the Russian Federation takes this strange position "tolerated". Obviously, if Russia leaves the IOC, then the Olympic Games simply will no longer be full-fledged Olympic Games! Make your own Russian games! Or World Games.
    Or some private business interests are involved here, and they are pressured and punished. Not the point. In fact, these bans look like ordinary Nazism. Let's remember the history - OI in Nazi Germany. How could the IOC go for such a thing ??? At the same time promoting their Olympic principles.
    Quote from Wikipedia: "After World War II, the IOC's pre-Olympic actions in the early 1930s were deemed flawed, and the International Olympic Committee made a public apology."
    Over the decades, the IOC has grown into a huge business monster with political lobbies. All the same, however, hiding behind positive Olympic principles.
    One of the principles of the Olympic Charter: "The exercise of the rights and freedoms provided for by this Olympic Charter must be ensured in the absence of any form of discrimination - racial, linguistic, religious, political, on the basis of skin color, sex, sexual orientation, or any other opinion. , national or social origin, ownership of property, birth or other status. "
    Discrimination based on national origin is obvious!
    With doping, everything is solved very simply and without discrimination - it is enough to disqualify athletes. Each Olympic athlete costs a lot of money, so if the national committees are to blame even for doping in the system, then they will be punished anyway.
    But the IOC punishes an entire country and nation by openly resorting to discrimination.
    Russia's position is simply not clear.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 15 March 2021 14: 59
      +3
      Quote: SiberianGun
      With doping, everything is solved very simply and without discrimination - it is enough to disqualify athletes.

      Now the claims are for manipulating the data of the Moscow laboratory, that is, there is nothing to punish athletes for even formally.
    2. BABAY22
      BABAY22 15 March 2021 16: 19
      +3
      Quote: SiberianGun
      Obviously, if Russia leaves the IOC, then the Olympic Games simply will no longer be full-fledged Olympic Games! Make your own Russian games! Or World Games.

      What are you, dear.
      Russia is not the Soviet Union, to which 1986 states came to the Goodwill Games in 84 (an alternative to the boycotted OI-79). It was the USSR that could put any IOC in its place.
      Now I'm sorry. They will easily hold the Olympic Games without Russia.
      And the Russian Federation is simply not able to organize a full-fledged alternative to OI. Neither in finance, nor in the composition of the participants, nor in the media component.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 15 March 2021 12: 43
    +1
    But Norwegian asthmatics run and they are normal))
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 15 March 2021 12: 46
    +1
    I completely agree with Irina Rodnina, not any songs, win first places, and so that there was an ominous silence. I support Bolshunov, I had to hit the Finn in the head with a stick, Finnish "dolls" near Leningrad and for the undercut got off easily Fin.
  • mark1
    mark1 15 March 2021 12: 48
    +1
    Here the only thing that may interest is the clearly, officially and loudly expressed attitude of the head of our state to all this, since everything is very clear with the rest of the participants in this unfortunate comedy, and personally I have only a chronic feeling of disgust for them.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 15 March 2021 18: 22
      +1
      clearly, officially and loudly expressed attitude to all this of the head of our state
      Do you have doubts about what he will say about this? He has already spoken out more than once for shame and humiliation for our country.
      1. mark1
        mark1 15 March 2021 18: 25
        +1
        Everyone should have a chance.
  • bk316
    bk316 15 March 2021 12: 49
    +6
    Actually, that's enough. I think so.
    1. It is necessary to decide whether it is sports or politics.
    2. If it is a sport, then it is a PERSONAL affair of athletes under which flag they want and perform. But financing is also their own business - not a penny from the state budget. In principle, this is how many people live in the world.
    3 If a politician, then do what the command tells you and there is no need to whine that your years are going away - they all go away. And the officials from the sport should be assessed as military, if they lost the battle they were kicked out. And there is also a war, for example, now the United States is trying to run over the PRC about human rights and the Olympics. Team up with the PRC and EXCLUDE the US from the Olympic movement.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 March 2021 13: 52
      +1
      ....... sports or politics .....

      Sports, space, performances by artists - this was an expression of the policy of the USSR. We were proud.
      With the destruction of socialism, the destroyers want to destroy this too and are trying their best.
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 15 March 2021 14: 57
      +3
      I agree that professional athletes have a responsibility to make money. It's hard work and I understand them. But why should we pay taxes on their maintenance, because they are businessmen from sports? When a coach at a sports school takes care of my child, I agree to pay taxes for his salary and pension. But what does this have to do with professional athletes ?! Let the Olympic Committee support and support themselves.
    3. Clear
      Clear 15 March 2021 17: 30
      +4
      Quote: bk316
      Actually, that's enough. I think so.

      That's right, Vladimir. But we ourselves "drove" there, agreeing to accept their rules of the game. And, this game is primarily political.
      Either go out or learn to "play" in a complex way.
      1. bk316
        bk316 16 March 2021 13: 24
        +2
        But we ourselves "drove" there, agreeing to accept their rules of the game.

        If only in sports ...
  • Alexilyin
    Alexilyin 15 March 2021 12: 53
    +8
    The Russians, as usual, eat and wipe themselves out. Instead of giving a harsh answer to all these members of the EU bodies, the OC and similar organizations. Withdraw all athletes under the Red Flag and the USSR Anthem. But .... we will act as always and humiliate underneath them! This is disgusting and insulting for the Motherland! Or ignore these "Olympic" games altogether. The country's image will only benefit from this. And let the athletes who wish come as a private person.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 15 March 2021 14: 51
      -1
      Yes, everything is so with us. Sportsmen earn money over the hill. There are TV presenters in the Council of Europe. It is clear what Pushkov is doing there. Smart smart guy. But what is Oksana Pushkina, the TV presenter, doing in the Council of Europe? "hero of the day without a tie" takes off? Is she an economist, historian, lawyer? ... What does she understand there at all? ..
  • DmSol
    DmSol 15 March 2021 12: 54
    +4
    Well, where is the refusal of our main state TV channels to broadcast this Olympiad?
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 15 March 2021 13: 13
      +7
      It's money ..! Capitalism and patriotism rarely intersect ...
      1. Clear
        Clear 15 March 2021 17: 32
        +3
        Quote: Doccor18
        It's money ..! Capitalism and patriotism rarely intersect ...

        good Well said.
  • betta
    betta 15 March 2021 12: 55
    +4
    Hmmm .... It remains to play the funeral march.
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 15 March 2021 12: 57
    +3
    So why go there if you are not expected? Only to humiliate oneself It will be necessary to come to us themselves, but it is not necessary - they did not really wait
  • edelweiss968
    edelweiss968 15 March 2021 13: 13
    +3

    it's time to learn Khasbulat ... although as an option to block flights through the airspace of all boards with the Olympians
  • jekasimf
    jekasimf 15 March 2021 13: 26
    +8
    Personally, I, as a taxpayer, have a question - And why should I pay for all this, if they don't just spit at us, but throw shit in the face.
  • certero
    certero 15 March 2021 13: 26
    +7
    I absolutely do not understand why our athletes will participate in competitions on such conditions? In my opinion, this is absolutely unacceptable. Since the athletes here represent the country and not themselves personally.
    1. DmSol
      DmSol 15 March 2021 13: 41
      -1
      So for athletes this is the meaning of life - Olympic gold. And officials from sports should be involved in politics. It is simply impossible to miss the Olympiad - there the charter does not allow, but it is quite possible for yourself to give up TV broadcasts. Last time this topic was raised, but they said that it was too late - the agreements were signed. But now what is in the way, because everything was known in advance.
  • JD1979
    JD1979 15 March 2021 13: 28
    +3
    I wonder if there will be the 33rd Chinese concern again, or everything will be pulled out of the mouth and a clear message and direction of movement will be given. + VAD on the list of banned organizations on the territory of the Russian Federation, the prohibition of any contributions to the IOC, the prohibition of the activities of any Western pharmaceutical companies that produce drugs for athletes on the territory of the Russian Federation
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 15 March 2021 13: 40
    +6
    The ban on the performance of the national anthem is part of the sanctions imposed on Russia by the World Anti-Doping Agency for manipulating the data of the Moscow laboratory.


    But at the age of 14 they were happy .. And I will never believe that our top management was not comfortable ..
    Now the answer will take a long time to arrive.

    “After the victory of the Russian national hockey team over the Swedes (Finns, Canadians, Americans, etc.), after the end of the match, first one Russian hockey player, and then the whole team loudly pulled out“ Get up, the country is huge ... ”


    There will be no such thing .. they are not fools or patriots ..
  • Yurmy
    Yurmy 15 March 2021 13: 41
    +4
    Yes, as one of the pseudo negative heroes said, "Time of Troubles is coming, troubled"
    1. Clear
      Clear 15 March 2021 17: 37
      +3
      Quote: Yurmy
      Yes, as one of the pseudo negative heroes said, "Time of Troubles is coming, troubled"

      Even more vague than this one? belay And, after all, in times of troubles, as the same hero said, no matter what the lesson comes, the prophet crying
  • AB
    AB 15 March 2021 13: 43
    +7
    Because of 200 athletes and a certain number of sports functionaries, the whole of Russia is humiliated. Shame on the Russian Olympic Committee. Declare a boycott of the Olympic Games, and not to offer these happy athletes completely at your own expense in them participate.
  • Cid
    Cid 15 March 2021 13: 52
    +3
    Some people dont want to accept or can't accept that politics or geoplolitics are directly involved with sports in any form. The whole situation has reached the point where nothing can be solved without spilling blood. The west is forcing Russian in the corner and there is only one way out, and that is making everybody in the west run for the bunkers.
    1. Barkun
      Barkun 15 March 2021 15: 35
      0
      Many thanks. It is important.
    2. Clear
      Clear 15 March 2021 17: 42
      +5
      Quote: Cid
      Some people dont want to accept or can't accept that politics or geoplolitics are directly involved with sports in any form. The whole situation has reached the point where nothing can be solved without spilling blood. The west is forcing Russian in the corner and there is only one way out, and that is making everybody in the west run for the bunkers.

      Normal text. Here is its translation from English. yes

      Some people do not want or cannot accept that politics or geopolitics is directly related to sports in any form. The whole situation has reached the point that nothing can be solved without bloodshed. The West is driving the Russians into a corner, and there is only one way out, and this forces everyone in the West to flee to the bunkers.
  • kit88
    kit88 15 March 2021 14: 02
    +10
    When will we hear a clear answer from the Kremlin to all these humiliations?
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 15 March 2021 14: 08
      +14
      When will we hear a clear answer from the Kremlin to all these humiliations?


      We will hear the answer from the Kremlin no sooner than those sitting in the Kremlin will stop hiding the Mausoleum on May 9 under plywood ..

      And for as long as we (the people) are fucked by those sitting in the Kremlin, all our Western "partners" will do the same ..
  • Sibguest
    Sibguest 15 March 2021 14: 03
    -1
    Why sing in Japan instead of a national anthem is understandable; "... and the samurai flew to the ground under the pressure of steel and fire ..."!
    It is better to duplicate each verse in Japanese mov - to convey to the Japanese masses that SMOKERS, JAPAN - MOTHER - OURS!

    In Beijing, I think (although I'm not sure - well, I don't believe the Chinese "comrades") there should be no problems - it will be possible to sing the anthem of our Motherland.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 15 March 2021 14: 10
      +4
      In Beijing, I think there should be no problems

      And to this Beijing ??
      1. Sibguest
        Sibguest 16 March 2021 07: 04
        0
        Perhaps, Roman, because the Winter Games will be held in Beijing - in February 2022.
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 16 March 2021 09: 28
          +2
          And how does the IOC's decision on sanctions depend on this?
  • Consul
    Consul 15 March 2021 14: 23
    +24
    The humiliation of Russia on the sports fronts has reached such limits that it is time to talk about a real epidemic of insanity

    If we do not respect ourselves, rewrite our history, close the mausoleum on May 9, etc., then what do we want from foreigners? Respect? There will be no it. They've always hated us. History is a stubborn thing. And our leaders do not learn from it, unfortunately.
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 15 March 2021 14: 23
    +3
    “After the victory of the Russian national hockey team over the Swedes (Finns, Canadians, Americans, etc.)
    Do not even dream, it is still possible in low-ranking group tournaments, but in the final (if they reach the 1/4 finals, and even more so the 1/2 finals) they will merge into the account once. We could observe this for several years, because the so-called "Russian" hockey players, and not only those living in permanent residence outside the country, playing in foreign clubs on a permanent basis, having arrived in the Russian Federation to "defend the honor of Russia" (not for thanks) will be deprived of a permanent one due to a one-time fee? I am begging you. yes, they have to groan not because of what flag they should be playing, it's purple, the main thing for them is to master the money, because a member of the Olympic team has a slightly different fee than just a sportsman from some Dynamo ... Therefore, for them- shame is not smoke, it doesn’t eat eyes, but money for not won relay races, race matches drips, and from the country's budget it’s not worth showing symbols. It's a shame for the country ... hi
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 15 March 2021 14: 44
    +1
    Where is our Foreign Ministry? Where is the government? Are we going to be silent and endure everything? As a last resort, as always, Maria Zakharova (with all due respect to her) will take the podium and troll Western journalists. Of course, any answer must be considered, weighed.? But personally, I do not see at all, no answers or retaliatory measures.
  • shubin
    shubin 15 March 2021 14: 56
    +1
    It is not clear why they are trifling, they would have banned the participation of Russian athletes in all international competitions, and business, all the same, Russia will swallow it and will not choke on it. In general, Russia is treated the way it allows itself to be treated.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 15 March 2021 15: 01
    +3
    If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it gets both war and shame
    - Winston Churchill

    There is the fault of individual athletes, coaches, doctors, but what does the Russian Flag and Anthem have to do with it? We will not cease to be Russians because the anthem will not sound!
    Our leadership had to withdraw from all sports organizations and break off all relations. You can only join on equal terms.
    Yes, the athletes trained and prepared, and given that the sports age is not long, all participants must receive compensation at the expense of the state, in the amount of the prize money.
    Nothing will change from the fact that our leadership is silent. Once we bend under this system, we will remain on all fours ........................
    1. avia12005
      15 March 2021 15: 31
      +5
      Well, you can't be patriots from 8 to 12, and not patriots from 12 to 14. It turns out, where is the defensive capability here is a patriot, where is the money, there is a businessman. It won't work that way.
  • Barkun
    Barkun 15 March 2021 15: 28
    0
    https://youtu.be/GKvlt6rpb4Y

    They went completely crazy. I will offer my own version: RadioTapok brought the anthem from Red Alert to a sane state :). And it’s not about Russia, but about the USSR. So what is not a replacement? :). Although to ban "Katyusha" is already insanity.
  • iouris
    iouris 15 March 2021 15: 32
    +7
    "Russian athletes" should not take part in such competitions. Participation in competitions under the white flag symbolizes the historical defeat of the state. Let them compete as representatives of private sports teams.
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  • Old jew
    Old jew 15 March 2021 16: 30
    +7
    One must understand one thing - no arguments, no matter how reasonable they are, the Western "partners" do not understand. The language of communication with them should be either the language of power or money. When Russia was deprived of the right to vote in PACE, non-payment of membership fees a couple of years later brought the "partners" to their senses. They crawled on their belly and begged to return.
    The situation is similar here. Do not send athletes to this disgrace. Do not pay membership fees to all international federations, Prohibit sponsoring them to Russian companies. And look for a couple of years.
    I forgot to say. Do not buy broadcasts of these "competitions" without our participation.
    The saved money should be spent on the development of mass sports for children and youth. Until the moment of graduation from an educational institution (secondary, professional or higher), sports should be free.
    1. seacap
      seacap 15 March 2021 22: 25
      +3
      The PACE example is not entirely correct, since then they quietly paid the fine with compensation and for a long time apologized and repented. And, in my opinion, no one has watched the broadcasts for a long time, they used to throw everything and rush to the screen, but now it's not about sports, but some kind of sports show of one director.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 15 March 2021 16: 57
    0
    All officials understand.
    And on occasion, both they and the authorities will explain to everyone how they were right, but the critics were not.

    One has been criticized ...
  • Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 15 March 2021 17: 33
    +3
    I would suggest going out with a red flag and under the International, but these have not enough gunpowder ... In general, you just have to stupidly score on all these mocks, vydy and other fifa and not pay them a dime.
    1. seacap
      seacap 15 March 2021 22: 22
      +1
      For us guys, brothers Belarusians, who still have pride, are already standing up and raising our flags, despite the subsequent repressions, and the so-called. “ours” just mutter something indistinctly, making excuses and repenting.
  • zloybond
    zloybond 15 March 2021 19: 25
    +3
    and to this day they pay dues there, recognize all this orgy and bow down which side they will turn so that they can get us there. What is it that "Concerned" has not expressed his concern yet ????
  • seacap
    seacap 15 March 2021 22: 14
    +3
    And why do we all need them then, all these organizations like OK and so on, which have long ceased to be about sports and have forgotten what and why? Like our so-called. athletes who have long been not for the country, but for the loot, who do not care about all the humiliation and spitting, are torn, smearing snot on their whipped cheeks, if only they were noticed behind the "hillock" and called. Which is very clearly seen from our "star-studded" hockey team, which has never won against its "owners", etc. Poor fellows, overseas no longer know what humiliations to think up so that these from Russia have at least some kind of human pride I woke up, there was probably only left to go out with their pants down and hunched over their backs, and even then there will be those who wish. I do not want to be dishonored for the state, and therefore at my expense, I have enough Rogozin and so on, no matter how you yourself, for their grandmother, individually and without mentioning belonging to a once great power. About sport bureaucrats and their "trough" everything has been said for a long time. This, of course, is my philistine opinion, but if there is no country, there is no anthem, because there is no one to represent, and therefore no one, then there is no dough from the country of which there is no, but there are only lawsuits and fines for libel, etc. paid and apologized, no more nonsense can be imagined, when will bureaucrats stop shaming us, but will take care of their country and its problems, defending its interests?
  • Woland
    Woland 15 March 2021 23: 10
    +2
    A legitimate question is brewing - if nothing can be done about these sanctions, then why does Russia need athletes who have no right to defend the country's sports honor? Close the feeding trough for them, let them either go where they are welcome, or let them engage in some socially useful work and get their daily bread "in the sweat of their brow", producing socially useful products
  • d1975
    d1975 15 March 2021 23: 49
    +1
    I read a lot of comets, but I don’t understand one thing, what has the state done for sports in this regard? As far as I am informed, we merge everything. Not only that inside the country, some enemies rule in sports and commerce, but also in the world it is full ..... Everyone argues about flags, anthem, just tell me what to do to athletes. A simple example Georgia Lasha Talakhadze and Alexei Lovchev, one in general, do not see at close range after the second, they chased until they stirred up. Sport is politics, whoever speaks, the prestige of the country, damn it is insulting to the core. Yes, without an anthem and a flag, that's not it, but what to do? This is how you can put everything down, the damage to sports will be such that we will become real Papuans. I actually worked as a coach, Now I temporarily cannot work (due to illness and bullying at work). I don't even know if I can watch such an Olympics, and how to watch it, who to root for ??? Yes, this is a rout, they have sailed, who will be responsible for all this disgrace, what will gentlemen liberals tell me about values? Ugh ... Forgive me, it's boiling.
  • Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
    Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 16 March 2021 03: 07
    +1
    Commentators on VO are angry.

    Voronezh - get ready.