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Kiev denies plans to start offensive in Donbass

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Kiev denies plans to start offensive in Donbass

Kiev has denied any plans for an offensive in Donbas, accusing Russia of spreading disinformation. This was stated by the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) of Ukraine Oleksiy Danilov.


According to Danilov, Moscow's assertion that Kiev "is about to go on the offensive" is disinformation aimed at exerting psychological pressure on residents of the territories not controlled by Ukraine.

Recently, the Russian side has been spreading misinformation that allegedly Ukraine will go on the offensive tomorrow or the day after tomorrow and will take Donetsk and Lugansk with an offensive, which is not true

- he said.

However, the NSDC secretary admits that currently there has been an exacerbation in Donbass with an increase in the number of shelling. He stressed that Kiev is keeping the situation under control.

At the same time, Lugansk said that the reason for the aggravation of the situation in Donbass is the frequent visits to the line of demarcation by representatives of the Ukrainian authorities and their Western curators. It is during the visits that shelling begins to show that the Ukrainian army is "fighting", restraining "Russian aggression" and "defending Europe from Russia's attack."

The Ukrainian military-political leadership needs to demonstrate that the hostilities continue and the Ukrainian army needs new funds, which will traditionally be plundered by the Ukrainian military command.

- said in Lugansk.
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  1. NDR-791
    NDR-791 13 March 2021 08: 39
    +11
    According to Danilov, Moscow's assertion that Kiev "is about to go on the offensive" is disinformation.

    Is it like this? Let me disbelieve based on long-term communication. Mazepa also screwed you up so ... In short, we are not vindictive, but we have a good memory.
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 13 March 2021 08: 47
      +7
      Of course they will deny it. Russians all lie and have always lied. This is the main message of the U.K.R.o. in their verbiage.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 13 March 2021 08: 54
        -2
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Russians all lie and have always lied.

        And then !!! Ours have deceived them again. They announced that the landing exercises would be held in the Crimea. They rushed to carry out the antiamphibious assault. And our tanks will pull up, and kirdyk
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 13 March 2021 14: 58
          -2
          Funny. laughing And what, the aggressors once confirmed and reported that they would attack? laughing Adolf, after all, also assured Stalin that he was withdrawing his troops to Poland on vacation.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 13 March 2021 15: 40
            0
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            And what, the aggressors once confirmed and reported that they would attack?
            Yes, never!

            The aggressors have always built all their blitzkrieg strategies - a lightning offensive at the beginning of the war - on the basis of the military-tactical advantage of their SUDDEN attack on the victim country without declaring war on it.
            And when in Kiev the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) of Ukraine Aleksey Danilov denies any plans for an offensive in Donbass, claiming the opposite and accusing Russia of spreading disinformation, then it is he who is engaged in disinformation - the NSDC secretary - and the President of Ukraine Zelensky with his curators from Washington.
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 13 March 2021 15: 41
            +3
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Adolf, after all, also assured Stalin that he was withdrawing his troops to Poland on vacation.
            First, Zelensky will fly with his family to Britain on a "friendly visit", give the order from the plane to start full-scale hostilities in the Donbass, and go down the ladder and immediately ask for political asylum there. It seems that this "servant of the people" has already agreed in MI6, what kind of people he will serve.
      2. frruc
        frruc 13 March 2021 09: 53
        +6
        Kiev denies any plans for an offensive in Donbass, accusing Russia of spreading disinformation ......... said the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Alexey Danilov.

        Just a talking head and the price of this statement is worthless.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 March 2021 08: 40
    +11
    The problem can be solved only by force - or a military coup in Kiev, with the shooting of pro-American puppets, dispersal and elimination of the National Battalions, or Russia should de facto recognize the republics and include them in the country by law. And in order to protect the population of Donbass from external aggression, send troops there - for real. And, to begin the process of forceful return of the LANDs given back to Russia. There is no other way out of the situation!
    1. Pastor
      Pastor 13 March 2021 08: 47
      +11
      The republics are just stubs from the regions. Russia needs the entire southeast, including Odessa, so that no striped one would even think to approach these shores. It means to wait until the rats gnaw themselves and the Dill begins to crumble.
    2. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 13 March 2021 08: 51
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      The problem can be solved only by force - or a military coup in Kiev, with the shooting of pro-American puppets, dispersal and elimination of the National Battalions, or Russia should de facto recognize the republics and include them in the country by law.

      Neither the first nor the second ... will not be, except for concern.

      Quote: Thrifty

      And in order to protect the population of Donbass from external aggression, send troops there - for real.

      Why bring in troops ?! If there was political will, a Russian military contingent with a peacekeeping mission would have been brought into the line of contact. The Ukrainians would be told that in the event of shelling from their territory, forces and means would be used to suppress firing points. Calibers for what?
      Quote: Thrifty

      And, to begin the process of forceful return of the LAND given back to Russia. There is no other way out of the situation!

      This topic is slippery ... Personally, I think that the right-bank Ukaraina, especially Kharkov, Donetsk region, Kherson, were mastered by Russia, before the revolution they belonged to Russia.
      Of course, I'm not talking about "Bessarabia", Transnistria, but how many soldiers' blood Russia has since the 18th century. spilled ...
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 14 March 2021 23: 07
        0
        Lynx2000If there was political will, a Russian military contingent with a peacekeeping mission would have been brought into the line of contact.

        For this, at least the consent of Ukraine itself is needed. And then why bring in peacekeepers
        Calibers for what?

        Personally, I think that right bank Ukraine, especially Kharkiv, Donetsk region, Kherson

        My friend, you will at least decide where the left bank is, and where is the right bank Ukraine, otherwise you will inadvertently return the wrong lands ...
        1. Lynx2000
          Lynx2000 15 March 2021 12: 03
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft

          My friend, you will at least decide where the left bank is, and where is the right bank Ukraine, otherwise you will inadvertently return the wrong lands ...

          Pardonte, made a reservation, of course the left bank, the Dnieper flows south ...
          I am not going to return anything personally. Let him decide who lives there, with whom, when, and for whom.
    3. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 13 March 2021 08: 59
      +2
      send troops there - for real


      Send our children there to die?
      For what and for whom?
      Help, yes.

      When you look into the eyes of the mother who received her blood in the coffin at least once, change your point of view.

      Dying for what? For THEIR freedom and independence? Where are THEY? Teach, help and go. What is given for free is not appreciated. The population of Donbass is 4 lyama. 2 of them are men. We remove children and old people. Thousand seven hundred can hold weapons. Where are they all?
      RUSSIA! HELP!
      Heard.
      The whole back is spattered.

      Freedom must be won. And with someone else's hands to rake in the heat ....

      As you wish, but I would not send my son there.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 13 March 2021 09: 17
        -2
        And it is easier to bawl from the couch than to carry a load of 200 from an airplane to a truck. Carry and think - behold, as young as I am. Just why is he there, in zinc, in pieces, and we carry it in the eight?
        1. Lynx2000
          Lynx2000 13 March 2021 11: 03
          +2
          You know, my son is now 5 years old, I am 43 years old, 22 years ago he served in the army on compulsory military service in Chechnya (to serve in the authorities), then as an operative on business trips in the North Caucasus.
          Now we take our son to Kyokushinkai for discipline and physical development, then to boxing. He still likes it, I myself have been boxing, volleyball since childhood ...
          Maybe this is not correct, but I would not want to send my son to the "batch" as a private. However, if he is 21-21 years old, I will consider his decision conscious and independent, but I will still worry about his fate.
          I won't wish the enemy to bury my fellow soldiers, you don't know where to hide from the relatives of the deceased.
        2. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 13 March 2021 15: 58
          +3
          And it's easier to bawl from the couch


          Really. You should not grumble. But you can't just send young guys to fight for someone else's interests.
      2. mark2
        mark2 13 March 2021 10: 12
        +2
        Send our children there to die?

        Firstly, not children, but independent, adult already trained soldiers. You let your children out to die every day: criminals, hooligans, drugs, vehicles, technological accidents, whatever.
        Secondly, an army that does not fight will never learn to win. And if you are really an officer, you should know this.
        When you look into the eyes of the mother who received her blood in the coffin at least once, change your point of view.

        When did you go to serve, did you think about your mother? Or did you cut the grandmother in the army, but did not serve?
        Dying for what? For THEIR freedom and independence? Where are THEY?
        RUSSIA! HELP!

        Let me remind you: Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Cuba, Syria .... Do these calls for help raise questions? Or what passes before you without you is good, but as the son grew up and then Donbass, so immediately: where are they all?
        As you wish, but I would not send my son there.

        If your son decides to do this, your permission will not be required.
        1. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 13 March 2021 15: 56
          +2
          Or did you cut the grandmother in the army?


          Why chopped? I carried them to the ship in bags with submachine gunners and handed them out according to the statement. He was a freelance financier. Yes, only they were issued once every three months.
          My colleague, a drop, the commander of the turbine compartment, worked as a loader in the market. 25 p. per day (25000 non-denominated). I went to the Kola Bay with a spinning rod to catch cod. To eat it. They dropped, I remember, 5000 rubles each (non-denominated). We bought one bottle of sunflower oil for two. These "bucks" were chopped down from the heart.

          If your son decides to do this, your permission will not be required.


          I agree. But I will express my opinion to him. The decision will be up to him.

          My thought was just about something completely different: It is too expensive to shed blood for someone else's freedom. One must shed one's blood for the Motherland.
        2. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 13 March 2021 16: 36
          0
          Are these calls for help raising questions?


          No, calls for help do not raise questions. Especially when those asking for help are fighting to the death with their enemies.
      3. URAL72
        URAL72 13 March 2021 10: 19
        +1
        Submariner! Buy a sofa, otherwise don't pull on a strategist. What kind of independence? Only to Russia! What are 4 million? There is no 3 here either. Total mobilization is 1 in 10, that is, 300 thousand. Why die for? For Russia, for the Russians. Or do you want NATO to be near Belgorod, Rostov, Voronezh? I have been in the trenches since 2015, although from Kherson, and I will not regret my son, because we are talking about the existence of the Russian people and the state. Understand at last - the war is already underway, and Donbass is just one of the fronts.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 13 March 2021 11: 16
          -6
          You know, these calls for NATO in the Crimea sideways and got out. Only not in the Crimea, but near Chernigov, Odessa, Kherson ...
          And I remember very well how ten years ago, when the brothers were not called fascists, Nazis and Bandera, ordinary people went to the pier in Odessa with posters and did not let NATO equipment into the neighboring land! Now look back at the consequences of our policy and repeat once again "if only NATO does not stand by" ....
        2. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 13 March 2021 16: 21
          0
          Buy a sofa, otherwise don't pull on a strategist


          I have a sofa, I don't pretend to be a strategist.

          I have been in the trenches since 2015, albeit from Kherson


          I respect you. You have made a decision. You are doing business. And we need to help those who are doing this.

          I just remembered the program one on zomboyaschik, the invitee said: "Russia, help!" So the father-in-law worked with Ukrainian visitors. He said that they were talking about Russia. And it is not, and it is not so. And to the question: “So what are you doing here then? fell silent. Do not want. There is nothing to answer. The hut is probably on the edge. Do you propose to put things in order instead of them? Don't you understand that spitting in our back and the "invaders" will be grateful.

          Report from Donbass. Our correspondent asks a young man (news on the 1st or 2nd channel): "How are you?" Should I send my son to fight for him? Ie he doesn’t care ... but we have to put things in order?

          No, guys, if the Ukrainians themselves do not give a damn about what is happening in their country, do not give a damn about how they are not considered people, then you cannot go there. Good will not come of it. We will not wait for anything but curses in our address.

          And if someone does business. So it’s not a sin to help him.
          1. URAL72
            URAL72 13 March 2021 17: 27
            -3
            I have already answered you, and there is no need to put things in order. You need to take your own. And people are different. I saw here both cowards and heroes, with a capital letter. And calm down for your son. People are needed everywhere. For example, let the BAM finish building it, it’s all necessary and don’t shoot. Or do you think that it is your son who should sit as an accountant in a warm place, and let the neighbor's yard sweep? And there are those who want to fight, it's a pity that many do not distinguish war from a computer game ...
      4. Thrifty
        Thrifty 13 March 2021 13: 02
        +1
        The submariner looked, and more than once! Even helped bring guys in zinc coffins! !!!
    4. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 13 March 2021 09: 04
      +3
      the process of power return of LANDS


      Someone great said that you can take power with bayonets, but it is not comfortable to sit on them.

      The situation must mature. If you use force, in a few years you will hear an "occupier" in your back.

      By yourself, all by yourself. And help, please.
      1. bayard
        bayard 13 March 2021 12: 54
        0
        Quote: Podvodnik
        Someone great said that you can take power with bayonets, but it is not comfortable to sit on them.

        The Bolsheviks took and built the greatest state with bayonets.
        And there is no need to quote Napoleon, he ended badly.
        And just because of the adventures with bayonets.
        And what moral, legal, or organizational problems could there be when returning their lands? Moreover, Ukraine did not carry out any demarcation of borders.
        And Russia, as the guarantor of the "Minsk Agreements" has every right to take all necessary measures in case of violation of these by Ukraine.
        Quote: Podvodnik
        The situation must mature.

        How many ?
        She was already ripe in 2014. Have you already forgotten the Russian Spring? But people all over the Southeast rose in order to divert the forces of the putschists from Crimea and allow a referendum to be held, hoping that they will not be forgotten either.
        And in Donbass, the Russian people made their choice with weapons in their hands.
        And other regions were dissuaded from the uprising when they understood and heard that Russia had recognized the putschists and their circus with "elections." When we realized that there would be no support.

        The invaders came to the Russian Land, armed with collaborators.
        To the Russian Land, and not to the "Edge", "Backyard" or "Marginal".
        To the Earth, watered with the blood of ancestors.
        To Kiev - Mother of Russian cities.
        Russian people rose to fight the invaders, Russian volunteers and anti-fascists from all over (!) The planet volunteered to help them, and the government of the Russian Federation ... what did it do?
        Has applied the "Cunning plan" ... "did not appear" ...
        To the Russians!
        To the Russian Land!
        Quote: Podvodnik
        If you use force, in a few years you will hear an "occupier" in your back

        Of course, it's more pleasant to listen to words about betrayal ...
        Listen to enemies and idiots less.
        Quote: Podvodnik
        Themselves, all by ourselves.

        Syria, Libya, Venezuela, CAR - they are of course dearer, they won't spit in the back ...
        And the coffins from there are not a pity ... there are more and more guys from Donbass in them ...
        So after all, you can completely "yourself" stay.
        Or do you hope Syria will come to the rescue?

        And do not forget that the interests of Russia in the same Syria and Libya are defended and defended by ordinary guys from Donbass, the very same "they are not there" s.
        1. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 13 March 2021 16: 28
          +2
          How many ?


          I will not answer, not a strategist. Lack of experience and education. But to do something, you need a desire and opportunity. Apparently, those who make the decision are missing something.
          1. bayard
            bayard 13 March 2021 19: 22
            +1
            Quote: Podvodnik
            , you need desire and opportunity.

            WILL is needed.
            As well as intelligence, honor and conscience.
            But there is only a greed for profit and a criminal agreement with the enemy.
            Quote: Podvodnik
            Apparently, those who make the decision are missing something.

            WILL
            The leadership of the Russian Federation was given all the possibilities and instructions to create a new center of concentration of management on the basis of the Russian Federation. Not a London, Brussels or Washington affiliate.
            But the actions and decisions of the past year demonstrated the absence of the main sign of the conformity of power - will.
            The other three qualities are also in short supply.
            The complicity of the Russian Federation in stirring up hysteria of a fake "pandemic" was especially disappointing.

            ... But it is already warming in the yard, and according to forecasts, only spring will come. This means mud, mud. I'm at home . This means that until there is an offensive ... unless the genitals of the Ukrainian "warriors of light" are twisted out of the United States and sent through the mud to slaughter.

            Ukraine should be returned to the United State.
            Today, Ukraine is sticking like a hedgehog in Russia's ass (an expression of some of the political strategists responsible for the process). For the balance of pleasure, another hedgehog sticks out in the ass of this hedgehog - the LDNR. The balance of "pleasure" is maintained, but this sado-maso circus cannot be continued indefinitely. Everyone loses from this, except the enemy.
            And it is better that those who are entrusted with it do it.
            1. Podvodnik
              Podvodnik 13 March 2021 22: 25
              +1
              WILL is needed.
              As well as intelligence, honor and conscience


              Judging by what sometimes breaks through the zombie box, it's tense with these things. And if you look around, too, "there are few real violent ..." (c)

              ... Russia's complicity in stirring up hysteria of a fake "pandemic".

              All this is sad. We do not have a coronavirus pandemic. There is not even an epidemic. See the numbers. We have an epidemic of oncology and cardiovascular diseases. Of those with whom he personally spoke, four died of oncology, two were operated on and are alive, two have a heart attack, and one road accident. And no one for the flu or colds.
              In our country, about four hundred thousand die from oncology a year. Strokes and heart take a little less. Have you seen new onco-cardio centers in the number of built ones? Me not.

              11 years ago, my dad got sick. A juvenile prisoner. Did a bunch of tests. They find nothing. He's getting worse and worse. I took the papers to the oncological dispensary for an appointment. And the head doctor looks into my eyes and says: "Oncology, for sure. But I can't take your dad, he even managed to live (1932). I learned the diagnosis from the pathologist ... And this is the city of a millionaire - Nizhny Novgorod. And what is going on in "Vladimirs" and in different regional centers?

              There is no pandemic. There is coronation.
              1. bayard
                bayard 13 March 2021 23: 55
                +1
                Quote: Podvodnik
                There is no pandemic. There is coronation.

                This phrase is the assessment of the management.
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 March 2021 10: 38
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      or Russia should de facto recognize the republics and include them by law in the composition of the country.

      Conduct a referendum in the Lao PDR on joining the Russian Federation (even this will cool the "talking heads").
    6. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 14 March 2021 22: 58
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      start the process of force return of LANDS given back to uk-royne, to Russia.

      You yourself will not participate in this, right?
  3. Insurgent
    Insurgent 13 March 2021 08: 40
    +6
    Kiev denies plans to start offensive in Donbass

    Just yesterday, in discussions, commenting "from the other side" stubbornly called the strengthening of the Ukroverrmacht grouping "planned rotation", and at the same time, just as stubbornly dodging information about the "tired cyborgs" withdrawn from the front line ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 13 March 2021 08: 46
      0
      the Ukrainian army is "at war", restraining "Russian aggression" and "defending Europe from Russia's attack."
      But only Russia has not come to the war, until now! laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 March 2021 10: 46
        -1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        the Ukrainian army is "at war", restraining "Russian aggression" and "defending Europe from Russia's attack."
        But only Russia has not come to the war, until now!

        Even though Russia did not come to the war, it is holding back the genocide of the Lao PDR people from the genocide by Ukraine, thereby clearing Europe from the pan-European chaos.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 13 March 2021 08: 48
      +3
      Quote: Insurgent
      Just yesterday, in discussions, commenting "from the other side" stubbornly called the strengthening of the ukrovermacht grouping "planned rotation", and at the same time, just as stubbornly dodging the provision of information about the "tired cyborgs" withdrawn from the front line ...

      And this is in March! And what will they say on April 1!
  4. Pastor
    Pastor 13 March 2021 08: 42
    -1
    Kiev just has a lot of extra money, which they spend on maneuvers and the transfer of equipment. Also, they have not violated OSCE regulations on the placement of equipment for a long time. This saber rattling is not for the LPR or Russia. This is for the overseas owner, so that he would pay at least some attention to Zelya and appoint him as his beloved wife in Ukraine.
  5. nnm
    nnm 13 March 2021 08: 45
    +7
    How do chew-flea vassals want to win the approval of their masters by giving them a reason to stop SP-2. We are ready to throw our citizens to death and kill children and old people. Probably the only thing that stops is the understanding that the very question of the existence of Ukraine's statehood will be at stake. And all this insane and power-hungry elite will be lifted to the pitchfork by the circus of wandering "patriots" with whom it is now flirting with great force, having lost several more regions.
    I used to think that Poroshenko is an animal whose muzzle is up to its ears in the blood of people, but what Zelensky is doing when he comes to power with the promises of peace at any cost is just beyond the line of good and evil. The feeling that from power he really got the Caesarean madness, imagining himself to be the first after God. But having played the role of Napoleon in a movie, he thinks that in life he has become such, but in fact, he is becoming more and more like Hitler.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 March 2021 10: 59
      +1
      Quote: nnm
      I used to think that Poroshenko is an animal whose muzzle is up to its ears in the blood of people, but what Zelensky is doing when he comes to power with the promises of peace at any cost is just beyond the line of good and evil.

      After WWII, this is the first fascist regime that took over the entire country and imposed its power and Nazi ideology on it. And Europe, as in 1933, pretends not to notice anything.
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 March 2021 08: 47
    +3
    It is the striped ones who keep Kiev under control, and the Banderlog themselves can no longer do anything, give them the command - face, and run into the attack like cute ones. True, it will be very painful. Well, what were they fighting for ........ fellow
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 March 2021 11: 04
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      It is the striped ones who keep Kiev under control, and the Banderlog themselves can no longer do anything, give them the command - face, and run into the attack like cute ones.

      Having imposed the Nazi regime, holding it in their hands, but pretending that "we have nothing to do with it", singing a song about democracy of human rights, they do their dirty work with someone else's hands - "angels of peace and freedom".
  7. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O 13 March 2021 08: 49
    -10%
    How to cover the bridge?
    How many of our motorized rifle divisions are there? The war will be serious if you do not carry out an operation to capture Kiev ... The raid on Kiev is needed by the forces of the Special Forces, the Airborne Forces, the Marine Corps ...
    1. nnm
      nnm 13 March 2021 08: 53
      +1
      Something like this:
      https://topwar.ru/141677-i-s-morya-i-s-vozduha-voennye-eksperty-rasskazali-o-zaschite-krymskogo-mosta.html
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O 13 March 2021 08: 55
        -10%
        They have a lot of missiles of all kinds, Point W is dangerous, it is difficult to intercept it.
        1. nnm
          nnm 13 March 2021 08: 57
          +4
          So no object in the world has 100% guaranteed protection. In response to your question, I simply gave a link to the expert opinion on this issue.
          But I want to note that the main protection of the bridge is not the weapons systems covering it, but the fact that it will be an act of war against a nuclear state with the strongest army. It is possible to constantly threaten Russia on TV with a cam, but to really provoke a war with it is, of course, with insane Ze, it is quite possible, but then there will be a huge chance that Ukraine will shrink along the Dnieper line, and the top itself will simply be liquidated or overeat ties at their best.
          1. Holuay T.O
            Holuay T.O 13 March 2021 08: 59
            -6
            That is why a preemptive strike is needed, I would give the command to destroy their General Headquarters, the Ministry of Defense, preferably with the top leadership, then I would start a raid on Kiev ...And there is no other way out
            1. nnm
              nnm 13 March 2021 09: 04
              +3
              It is to this that they want to lead Russia by such a heated situation. They are doing their best to arrange this provocation. It is simply vital for them to bring Russia into this war seven years later. Otherwise, their western ration will be cut, and support will be further reduced
              1. Holuay T.O
                Holuay T.O 13 March 2021 09: 07
                -5
                It makes no sense to break up their mechanized and tank units in a head-on collision because we will have heavy losses,special operations with elements of psychological warfare are needed here, it's a pity that our MTR is not ready for this, but it is possible to carry out the Raid with other forces
                As for the provocation, it will be, so you have to hit first!
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 13 March 2021 09: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Holuay T.O.
                  It makes no sense to break up their mechanized and tank units in a head-on collision, because we will have heavy losses, special operations with elements of psychological warfare are needed here, it's a pity that our MTR is not ready for this, but it is possible to carry out a raid with other forces
                  As for the provocation, it will be, so you have to hit first!

                  Militant ignorance on the march. I watched a couple of movies, read the headlines of a couple of articles and imagined myself to be a great strategist and tactician. And at the same time a historian, psychologist and political scientist. Knows everything, knows everything.
                  Hosspadi! And after all, all this was written in all seriousness, and even with a proud smile for his unique mind and analytical abilities.
                  1. Holuay T.O
                    Holuay T.O 13 March 2021 10: 46
                    0
                    some lamentations ... so they will not push back the war tongue
                    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                      Sidor Amenpodestovich 13 March 2021 10: 50
                      0
                      Quote: Holuay T.O.
                      some lamentations ... so they will not push back the war

                      Yes, it will be pushed aside exclusively by mechanized and tank units.
                      I also watched films about the Second World War.
                      It is strange that you did not write that it is a bad idea to evacuate by sea, as "Stuks" can arrive and bomb everyone.
                      1. Holuay T.O
                        Holuay T.O 13 March 2021 10: 53
                        -1
                        Again lamentations ... how are you going to stop the war?
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent 13 March 2021 09: 05
            +4
            Quote: nnm
            So no object in the world has 100% guaranteed protection. In response to your question, I gave a link to the expert opinion on this issue.

            Of course, I am not a bridge builder, and I am not strong, but looking at the available images of the Crimean bridge, I come to the conclusion that such a missile as "Tochka-U" is capable (even with massive use, with total "blindness" of the bridge's air defense) only to "scratch the cladding" constructions.
            Of course, after such a blow, the traffic on the artery will be suspended, but not for a critical time.
            1. Holuay T.O
              Holuay T.O 13 March 2021 09: 10
              -4
              Collapse the span Easy
              1. geniy
                geniy 13 March 2021 15: 16
                0
                If you don't know, then Soviet bombers somehow bombed one bridge with delay bombs, so all their bombs pierced the bridge like needles for paper and exploded only at the bottom of the river, so that no damage to the bridge happened ... And American bombers bombed bridge in Vietnam with the same result ...
            2. nnm
              nnm 13 March 2021 09: 10
              +3
              Moreover, even if we imagine that the "patriots" just sailed in full force and dismantled the bridge by screws, then there is already a ready-made documentation for it, and construction experience, and a ready-made infrastructure - the new bridge will be built even faster and even better, but .... Ukraine will be gone by that time. The main part will go to Russia, a couple of regions to Poland. The entire Ukrainian elite will be judged by the court of the Moscow garrison, and the western masters of Ukraine will have nothing to argue - for there was an act of attack on Russia
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 March 2021 11: 12
              +1
              Quote: Insurgent
              that such a missile as "Tochka-U" is capable (even with massive use, with total "blindness" of the air defense of the bridge) only to "scratch the cladding" of the structure.

              But any missile launch towards the bridge, whether it hits or not, will end in very sad consequences for Ukraine, while all international laws and regulations will be observed.
            4. geniy
              geniy 13 March 2021 15: 13
              0
              You think absolutely right. Without a nuclear charge, this Y-point can only punch a hole of a meter in diameter, which will be immediately sealed with quick-hardening concrete.
        2. venik
          venik 13 March 2021 09: 56
          +1
          Quote: Holuay T.O.
          They have a lot of missiles of all kinds

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          Interestingly, and WHAT missiles and HOW MUCH? Can you list?
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          Quote: Holuay T.O.
          Point Wu is dangerous and difficult to intercept

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          belay Stunned! Is this "Point" difficult to intercept? Wasn't it confused with the Iskander? Iskander really difficult to intercept - it maneuvers along the trajectory and it is very problematic to calculate the "meeting point" .... And "Tochka-U" flies along a ballistic curve and its interception (in the presence of the Buk, S-300 and S-400 air defense systems) does not represent any special complexities.
          Second and foremost: Ukraine's missile launcher for Tochka-U will have three missile brigades. And in the Armed Forces there is only ONE! What's the question? Yes, the fact that there are "PU-shki", but there are not enough missiles (very few, from the word quite!). Only one brigade and scraped!
          1. Holuay T.O
            Holuay T.O 13 March 2021 10: 49
            -4
            This is a theory, but in practice, a quiet UAV cannot be shot down.
            1. venik
              venik 13 March 2021 15: 17
              0
              Quote: Holuay T.O.
              This is a theory, but in practice, a quiet UAV cannot be shot down.

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              fool Do you really catch the difference between a ballistic missile and a makeshift wooden "drone"? Or, in general, in matters of radar: "no boom-boom"? Have you heard anything about the Doppler effect? Or was the physics school teacher in his native Zapopino pedagogical institute a "C grade student"?
              If "not in the know": then it's better keep silentThan disgrace!
          2. Roma 1977
            Roma 1977 13 March 2021 15: 55
            0
            As far as I remember, "Tochki" are already physically outdated, in the sense that the rocket fuel has already exceeded its shelf life and cannot be replaced. After all, Soviet missiles are already 40 years old.
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 13 March 2021 09: 28
      +3
      Kiev does not represent a strategic value. Only as a cultural and historical one. But this is not enough to attach this hemorrhoids to the Russian Federation, the territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, a land corridor to Crimea, and on the Left Bank - a demilitarized zone with a no-fly zone in the air. This is the maximum you need.
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O 13 March 2021 10: 48
        -2
        The capture of the Capital and government bodies, this is the collapse of the army, its decomposition and mass desertion
  8. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 13 March 2021 08: 52
    +3
    But the Maidan promised: 2000 euros salary, lace panties, their own gas each write, complete superiority over the Muscovites, and so on. But something went wrong
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 13 March 2021 09: 29
      +3
      Everything went as it should. Maidan promises even now. And there are no fewer stoned ones.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 13 March 2021 15: 10
        0
        Quote: Roma-1977
        And there are no fewer stoned ones.

        Hard to say. But almost everyone I know is quiet. Thinking. And they begin to crawl away on the sly, or they simply hid - it's not clear. smile
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 13 March 2021 15: 44
          0
          They are in prostration. The bright future that they were promised should have come yesterday, but got lost along the way ...
  9. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 13 March 2021 08: 55
    +1
    You have to be a real "Euro-Ukrainian" - without brains and with a trident on your forehead, so as not to understand how all this hysteria in Donbass might end. It seems that there are 70-80 percent of such wretched "patriots" in Ukraine. Although, they have long fled from the sharovary country and are sitting out both on our and on European construction sites.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 13 March 2021 09: 32
      +2
      It is unbelievable, but true: there are really many people in Ukraine who believe that they are fulfilling the Great Historical Mission - the Defense of Europe. And without any guile, in all seriousness. Like a sect.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 13 March 2021 09: 37
        0
        In the same spirit, the Ukrainians believed that they were "independent", that Chernobyl exploded due to the fault of Moscow, that Russia did not allow them to live freely. In general, Russia is "to blame" for everything. No, it is true that they "dug" the Black Sea - themselves and without the participation of Russia.)
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 13 March 2021 09: 39
          +6
          "Stalin built the DneproGES so that as many Ukrainians as possible would be electrocuted ..." (c)
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 13 March 2021 09: 42
            -2
            Roma-1977, you be careful. Give them this "thought" as well. Judging by the minuses - chubatyh on VO - a dime a dozen. And so neatly, spitefully, they shit.)
    2. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 13 March 2021 15: 14
      -1
      Andrey Nikolaevich
      You very you are greatly mistaken. Bandera, Svidomites, pro-Westerners never there was no majority of the population of Ukraine. Their always there was a minority and in the best times for them there was no more than 1/3. And in my Russian the city of Novorossiya did not have more than 20% (according to their own words).
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 13 March 2021 15: 50
        -1
        And I watched the following picture: even yesterday, it would seem, normal people began to rave about "visa-free, mova, vira, army", call the Crimeans traitors, and Donetsk residents - terrorists. At one point it happened. Children, again, their own with pathos in "ATO" to send "for the sake of Ukraine." And this is in Kharkov. Not in Lviv.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 March 2021 09: 58
    +2
    accusing Russia of spreading disinformation
    Danilov should turn to the dictionary and read what the term disinformation means. In this case, the term "disinformation" is not appropriate, because the Ukrainian side is carrying out a number of specific actions that give reason to think so. Yes, and Western military specialists are often on the front line - looking out, sniffing out.
  11. Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 March 2021 10: 37
    +3
    What else can they say? They themselves do not know this date. When the order comes from the metropolis, then they will find out.
  12. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 March 2021 11: 40
    +1
    Find the catch. That's right, Crimea is not part of Ukraine.
    The Belgian edition of Euractiv published an article on the European integration of Ukraine and Moldova and placed the following map:
    laughing
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 13 March 2021 11: 58
      +3
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Find the catch. That's right, Crimea is not part of Ukraine.
      The Belgian edition of Euractiv published an article on the European integration of Ukraine and Moldova

      It is no longer part of the Outskirts, but also not yet part of Russia (indicated on the map in gray, as a non-EU territory, and not in the same color as the Russian Federation).

      So, there is still work to do yes
  13. iouris
    iouris 13 March 2021 12: 51
    +2
    In the world of wise thoughts of Otto von Bismarck (you know this, no? Then google it):
    1) "I am not interested in their intentions, I am interested in their capabilities."
    2) "Never fight with the Russians. They will answer every military trick of yours with unpredictable stupidity."
  14. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima 13 March 2021 12: 59
    -2
    In this case,
    The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Ruslan Khomchak, held telephone talks with the head of the NATO military committee, Stuart Peach, the night before.

    Have you received any new instructions?
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 13 March 2021 13: 14
      -1
      It was just phone sex. Nothing.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 13 March 2021 16: 27
      -2
      Quote: Ruslan Sulima
      Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Colonel-General Ruslan Khomchak
      Does Zeli have the authority to order the start of hostilities? Or Homchak on the drive.
  15. svoit
    svoit 13 March 2021 15: 18
    +1
    Quote: Pastor
    It means to wait for the rats to gnaw themselves and the Dill begins to crumble.

    Why wait, this process needs to be promoted in every possible way
  16. agoran
    agoran 13 March 2021 20: 57
    -1
    Tex, gentlemen.
    If the descendants of the ancient Sumerians deny something, then it is true.