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Riddles of deportation in the USSR: representatives of some peoples were resettled, others were not touched

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History Russia is a history of victories, a history of courage and heroism. But, unfortunately, as in the history of any other country, there are also those pages in it that are rethought and cause at least conflicting feelings and emotions. Among such pages is the history of deportations. And in this article I propose to discuss this issue. No, not at all in order to throw a stone into the vegetable garden of the Soviet regime, which sometimes had to make decisions when the enemy was already trampling on Soviet soil. This material is a statement of what happened and that our country is able to draw important lessons from its history.

In the Martynovsky district of the Rostov region, Meskhetian Turks, according to the All-Russian population census, already account for more than 20% of the population. But even a few decades ago, none of the residents of the area, probably, had heard of the existence of such a people. Meskhetians appeared in the Don, as well as in the Kuban, and in the Volga region, and in the Stavropol region, as a result of interethnic clashes in Uzbekistan. But this Central Asian republic was not their homeland either - the Meskhetians, like many other peoples, were deported to Central Asia in the 1940s.

Deportation is one of the saddest pages in the history of the national policy of our state in the twentieth century. The consequences of deportation, as can be seen from the example of the Meskhetians, and many other peoples, are still being cleared up by the country. The impact of deportation on interethnic relations in the Caucasus, Central Asia and Kazakhstan, and in other parts of the post-Soviet space cannot be denied.

"Preventive" deportation of peoples in 1941-1942: Germans, Greeks and others


Historians note that forced deportations were used by many governments, and the Soviet one was no exception: entire peoples were once resettled by Russian tsars and Iranian shahs, Turkish sultans, American presidents and enlightened Europeans (in the European case, in their African colonies).

In the Soviet Union, until the early 1940s, the class criterion for deportation was practiced: peasants-kulaks, other representatives of the so-called exploitative strata in the Soviet sense were evicted to Siberia and Kazakhstan, after the entry into the USSR of Western Belarus, Western Ukraine and the Baltic states - representatives of the bureaucracy officers, the bourgeoisie, landowners from the territories occupied by Soviet troops.

Since 1940, as the historian Ivan Berdinskikh writes, the main criterion for deportation was the ethnicity of the resettled. The Soviet government, trying to exclude the formation of "fifth columns" in strategically important territories, liberated the border areas from representatives of a number of nationalities. True, the first deportations based on ethnicity can be called the deportations of Koreans and Chinese from the Far East in 1937-1938, which I will mention below.

On August 27, 1941, the order of the NKVD of the USSR is dated 001158 "On measures to carry out the operation of the expulsion of Germans from the Republic of the Volga Germans, Saratov and Stalingrad regions." By the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of September 7, 1941, the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic of the Volga Germans was liquidated, its territories became part of the Saratov and Stalingrad regions. Soon the Germans were evicted from all cities and towns of the European part of the USSR, which by that time had not been occupied by the Wehrmacht.

So, the Germans were evicted from Moscow, Leningrad, Rostov region, Krasnodar Territory. At the same time, all persons of German nationality who served in the Red Army were demobilized and evicted to a special settlement. The Germans were taken to the Kazakh SSR, Krasnoyarsk and Altai Territories, Omsk and Novosibirsk Regions. By the beginning of 1942, the number of exiled Germans was 1031,3 thousand people. These were practically all Germans living in the USSR, with rare exceptions.

Riddles of deportation in the USSR: representatives of some peoples were resettled, others were not touched

By the time the order for the eviction of the Germans from the Volga region was ordered, the Great Patriotic War had been going on for two months. Despite the fact that many families of the Volga Germans lived in Russia since the XNUMXth century, and the Germans themselves made a huge contribution to the strengthening and development of the Russian state, the Soviet government viewed them as a potentially dangerous and hostile element that could go over to the side of Nazi Germany. At the same time, it cannot be said that the Soviet Germans really supported at least some of their significant part of the Nazi occupiers, but the Soviet leadership preferred to play it safe.

The successful operation to evict the Germans demonstrated to the Soviet leadership the effectiveness of such a measure as deportation, and subsequently the authorities did not hesitate, but very quickly organized and carried out the deportations of other peoples. So, almost immediately after the Germans, the Finns of the Leningrad Region were resettled - they were deported to the Irkutsk Region, Krasnoyarsk Territory and Yakutia.

But if everything was clear with the Germans and Finns - the Soviet Union was at war with both Germany and Finland, then the reasons for the deportation of Greeks from the Crimea and the Caucasus were much more mysterious. The Greeks were never seen sympathizing with Hitler's Nazism, but Lavrenty Beria classified them as anti-Soviet and alien elements. Probably, the fact that the Greeks were a people who had their own statehood outside the USSR played a role.

Another interesting moment was the eviction of the Chinese and Koreans from the border regions of the Far East. By the way, they were evicted, as noted above, even before the Germans - in 1937-1938. It would be difficult to blame anyone but Koreans for pro-Japanese sentiments, but the Soviet government did not trust them either. Obviously, they feared an external similarity - Japanese saboteurs could mimic the Koreans. The deportation of Koreans led to the formation of numerous Korean communities in Central Asia and Kazakhstan, from where, after the war, Koreans also moved to the Volga and Rostov regions.

Thus, in the deportations of 1941-1942. we see a certain general pattern - they were of a "preventive" nature, that is, people were resettled not as punishment for some actions, but solely for the purpose of preventing these actions, for example, cooperation with the occupiers. Beginning in 1943, the concept of deportation of peoples began to change.

Deportation as punishment: eviction of the peoples of the Caucasus and Crimea


In November 1943, the deportation of the Karachais was carried out, almost simultaneously with it, in December 1943, the deportation of the Kalmyks. The Karachay Autonomous Okrug and the Kalmyk Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic were abolished, all Karachai and Kalmyk names of settlements were renamed. The Karachais were evicted to the South Kazakhstan and Dzhambul regions of Kazakhstan, as well as to the Kirghiz and Tajik SSR, the Kalmyks to the Altai and Krasnoyarsk regions, to the Omsk and Novosibirsk regions. Unlike the preventive deportations of Germans or Koreans, the deportations of Karachais and Kalmyks were already in the nature of a punishment - they were evicted, accused of treason and collaboration with the Nazis.

On February 21, 1944, an order was signed on the deportation of Chechens and Ingush from the territory of the Chechen-Ingush ASSR. At the same time, the operation "Lentil" itself was being prepared since the fall of 1943: numerous and militant Chechens and Ingush clearly demanded a "separate approach", in contrast to the Greeks of the Crimea or the German colonists. Nevertheless, by the forces of the NKVD troops, the deportation was carried out as soon as possible. On March 7, 1944, the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was liquidated, and its Chechen-Ingush population was deported mainly to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

On March 8 and 9, 1944, the Balkars were resettled, and on April 8, 1944, the Kabardino-Balkarian SSR was renamed the Kabardin ASSR. In fairness, it is worth noting that some of the Kabardians were also evicted.

On May 18-20, 1944, a large-scale operation was carried out to evict the Crimean Tatars from the Crimea, as well as from the territory of the Rostov region, Krasnodar Territory, and a number of regions of the Ukrainian SSR. Most of the Crimean Tatars were resettled to Uzbekistan, and also, in part, to the Urals, Udmurtia, Kostroma and Gorky regions.

Another prevention: Crimeans and Meskhetians


During May-June 1944, about 66 thousand more people were deported from the Crimea and the Caucasus - Soviet Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians, Italians, Romanians, as well as Germans, who at the time of the mass deportation of the Germans were in the territories occupied by the Nazis. In contrast to the deportation of the Crimean Tatars, Karachais, Balkars, Kalmyks, Chechens and Ingush, the Crimean national minorities were deported again for preventive purposes, since mass cooperation with the Germans was not observed either among the Greeks, or among the Armenians, or among the Crimean Bulgarians.

In the spring of 1944, migrations took place in the Transcaucasus. First, Azerbaijanis were resettled inside Georgia itself - from Tbilisi to Tsalka, Borchali and Karayaz districts. Secondly, Meskhetian Turks, Muslim Kurds, Hemshils (Islamized Armenians) were deported from Georgia to Central Asia. Most of the Meskhetians and Kurds were resettled to Uzbekistan, as well as to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.


General patterns of deportation. Why were these peoples evicted


There is a certain pattern in the deportation of peoples. First, they deported representatives of "unreliable" from the point of view of the then power of the peoples who had their own statehood outside the USSR - these are the Germans, Finns, Greeks, Romanians, Koreans, Italians and so on.

Secondly, predominantly Turkic and Muslim peoples living in the border areas in the Black Sea region and in the Caucasus were subject to deportation. They were either accused of massive collaboration with the Germans, or were resettled for the same preventive reasons as the Greeks or Koreans. There is no special secret here: Turkey was viewed by the Soviet leadership as a dangerous potential enemy, and the Caucasian and Crimean Muslims - as potential assistants and allies of the Turks. Interestingly, again, these fears did not apply to Azerbaijanis.

Thirdly, the peoples accused of mass betrayal were deported (as a rule, with the exception of the Kalmyks, they were represented by the Turkic-speaking and Caucasian Muslim peoples). Interestingly, the scale of cooperation with the Nazis in the Baltics or in Western Ukraine was much more impressive, but there were no mass migrations based on ethnicity there: everyone remained in their places, only those who personally served in Nazi or nationalist formations were arrested. These are the riddles of deportation.

The sad result of the deportation of peoples was not only broken destinies and destroyed lives, but also a blow to the traditional economy of a number of regions, especially agriculture, trade, small-scale production, and most importantly, the deterioration of the already complex interethnic relations in a multinational country.

On the other hand, the Soviet Union in the 1940s waged a life-and-death war with Nazi Germany, and in the first post-war years the political situation in the world was very tense. Therefore, the state was guided by political considerations, before which the lives and fates of individual people faded for statesmen.

It is important to note that in subsequent years, the resettled citizens of different nationalities of the country were able to return to their native land. The state recognized the deportation and condemned the policy of "rowing one size fits all", many internally displaced persons received compensation and subsequently themselves became representatives of the ruling elites of the national republics.

Russia does not dismiss this fact of history, as many states do today, which either do not recognize their own deportations and other repressions, or do it formally. The countries of the European Union, which once owned overseas colonies, have not yet come out with repentance to those who were not just repressed, and sometimes driven into real slavery. However, from the same European Union, they constantly hear shouts against Russia with "democratic" moralizing, as if Russia itself is not able to understand its history and learn from the mistakes it has made.

The main lesson learned today is that Russia is one in its diversity. Our country is multinational and multi-confessional, while we do not break lances on the issue of eye shape, skin color, attitude to a particular religion. We understand that our strength lies in unity, that we turned the page when this unity could be challenged by someone in power. We turned over, but our "partners" ... Those same "partners" who still live in fact in racist communities, ready to clash their heads at any moment, showing incredible hatred of their own compatriots.
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  2. Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 14 March 2021 19: 04
    +31
    Yes. It was.
    To give this phenomenon an assessment? Then we must talk about the reasons. And this is to plunge into endless debate ...
    Moreover, the most thankless work is to assess the affairs of the past years from modern positions. They should not be evaluated, but analyzed ... And know. Without emotional coloring.
    All the best!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 March 2021 19: 20
      +13
      Quote: Mark Kalendarov
      Moreover, the most thankless work is to assess the affairs of the past years from modern positions.

      And it's not even a matter of the current position. Perhaps at that time, even in a very short period of time (month, week, day), some facts, documents, even a conversation, an opinion surfaced that we do not know now, but they served as that pebble, because of which an avalanche started. And if we recognized them now, maybe they would also declare: "Yes, send them to such a mother."
      1. WHAT IS
        WHAT IS 14 March 2021 20: 00
        +34
        Quote: Egoza
        And if we knew them now

        It was already well known then: both the fact that the Crimean Tatars of two hundred thousand population (from infants to the elderly, inclusive), more than twenty thousand men fought for the Nazis, and the fact that in Kalmykia, a Corps of Kalmyk traitors was created, which fights under Rostov and Taganrog, then (in the winter of 1944 -1945) in Poland he fought heavy battles with units of the Red Army near Radom, and the fact that more than fifty anti-Soviet gangs were defeated in the Caucasus, and thousands of deserters roamed the mountains. bases, means of communication. One of the groups defeated on the territory of Chechnya numbered about 600 people.In October 1942, the commander of the Transcaucasian Front reported to the Headquarters:
        “I must say that banditry is developing in proportions that have to be reckoned with and involve considerable forces to suppress it. In addition to the NKVD units, 18 separate companies and two reinforced battalions are engaged in the fight against banditry from the front; reinforced garrisons are held on all military roads "

        In a special resolution of the Military Council of the 44th Army, it was stated:
        “Elements from the local population ... are conducting anti-Soviet agitation and sowing defeatist sentiments ... part of the population itself takes this path and thereby actively assists the enemy in carrying out his plans. Thus, many cases of the population buying up weapons, sheltering gangs, bringing the Germans to our trenches have been established. "

        What other facts are needed?
        1. IC
          IC 14 March 2021 22: 14
          -12%
          The author has painted an almost blissful picture. He just forgot to give a complete statistical picture of the selected peoples, incl. the number of deaths.
        2. dmmyak40
          dmmyak40 15 March 2021 01: 51
          +3
          Don't be so categorical about the Kalmyks: the vast majority of Kalmyks were not traitors. Don't forget about 110 KKD, about the Heroes of the USSR.
        3. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 08: 25
          -6
          If out of two hundred thousand Tatars 20 thousand became criminals, then it was necessary to punish 20 thousand, not 200 thousand. You will say that this is too difficult, therefore it is better to punish everyone in a crowd.
          By the way, now in England, a woman MP proposes to prohibit men from walking after 18.00, so that there is no risk of rape for women. Maybe then all the men should be evicted at once, because it is difficult to figure out the culprit?
          1. atos_kin
            atos_kin 15 March 2021 09: 33
            +6
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            it was necessary to punish 20 thousand, not 200 thousand.

            If they had not been deported, then after the return of the veterans, having learned what the Tatar neighbors were doing with their relatives, the Crimean Tatars as an ethnic group would have ceased to exist.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 14 March 2021 19: 40
      +1
      especially with the Far East: Koreans and others - the innocent victims of Blucher, Yakir and other fiery revolutionaries how did they work for the eviction, what happened to them? Was Beria and Stalin to blame for everything (in 37-38)?
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 14 March 2021 21: 05
        +13
        The Koreans were not accused of anything. Literally within a few years after the resettlement to Central Asia and Kazakhstan, Korean collective and state farms became the most prosperous. Many Koreans were awarded state awards for labor merit. For example, the famous collective farm chairman Kim Pen Hwa, twice Hero of Socialist Labor. Many Koreans already in the first post-war years, back in Stalin's times, were elected as deputies of different levels, held positions in the party state apparatus. And there was no particular strictness regarding the choice of place of residence. And the Koreans who lived on the territory of southern Sakhalin, which returned to the territory of our country in 1945, were not going to be evicted.
      2. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 14 March 2021 21: 06
        +6
        Quote: antivirus
        was it all to blame (in 37-38) Beria

        Beria worked in the Transcaucasus until August 22, 1938 and had nothing to do with the Far East.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 15 March 2021 09: 27
          +1
          that's what he said - is Stalin and Co. to blame or the innocently repressed "enemies of the people"? What really happened, the reason for the eviction?
    3. nnm
      nnm 14 March 2021 19: 46
      +19
      Quite rightly said. For example, the memoirs of many pilots shot down in battles over the Crimea perfectly make it clear why the Crimean Tatars were evicted and so on. The deportation of the Balts in the area of ​​disclosing intelligence information from Poland and the Abwehr is absolutely understandable. But it's absolutely not worth opening Pandora's box guided only by emotions. You have to accept your story. Far from simple and monochromatic. And appreciate the fact that no matter what, we are together and we need to move on. Well, do not present claims to Israel for Trotsky's actions in the civil war, Georgia for Stalin and Beria, Ukraine for Brezhnev and Chernenko ... we must focus on the good, on the fact that we are building our future together.
      History topics should be discussed by historians, and not simply by the emotions of people without knowledge of historical documents.
      In no way should we hush up these facts, but we should not study them one-sidedly, but objectively and professionally.
    4. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 14 March 2021 20: 05
      +21
      I am a descendant of Russian Germans. But our settlements were not evicted, the front was painfully far away, this is the Orenburg region.
      But very many were taken to the so-called. Trudarmy. My parents were included. Even now, old people with a shudder remember Korkino, Orsk, and other cities where they had to work.
      No, no, everyone understood why they were evicted, and no one holds any evil, the Germans are generally law-abiding people, but long after the war they called us fascists, although we had nothing to do with the Nazis. This was insulting.
      And the authorities did not even think about any compensation, and the government still has not apologized to the Soviet Germans.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 14 March 2021 21: 05
        +5
        My father fought with me, but he did not feel any hatred for the civilian Germans, in contrast to the same Poles who quietly and meanly shit on us. He was especially struck by this fact in Germany - a German janitor comes out onto a street that was broken after a battle and begins to put it in order. To the question - why does he do this, there was an answer - "I have been responsible for order on the street for 20 years, and now too." And about German villages in Western Ukraine there is evidence in Vershigora's book "People with a clear conscience." There, during Kovpak's raid on these places, a partisan unit was fired on from such a village, there were killed and wounded. Kovpak ordered to burn down the village (without residents). There has never been any shelling from these villages.
      2. Klingon
        Klingon 14 March 2021 22: 43
        +6
        and the ethnic Russian Germans who returned to Germany in and after the 90s are called "Russians" (die Russen), even though they speak their own dialects (mainly Old Prussian and Swabian, the same dialect in which Catherine II spoke), and do not consider their locals
        1. juergen 1954
          juergen 1954 15 March 2021 23: 32
          +1
          I disagree with you. The attitude towards a person depends on his behavior, how he fit into the environment. Many who came to Germany from the former USSR simply did not fit into local life. Many leave back, but most have already fit in and are practically indistinguishable from the locals. Russia lost a lot from the departure of the Germans to their historical homeland, although this issue could have been resolved, but, as always, the government did not have enough political will. You can debate a lot about this, but nothing will change from this.
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 16 March 2021 01: 02
            -1
            it is very easy to distinguish. I assure you, in any store you will immediately distinguish a Russian German from a local one. Sometimes according to the manner of dressing. Because only Russians, Russian Germans and French can go outside in a tracksuit or camouflage (not doing sports). Well, as the mouth is opened, it is immediately clear where the people come from.
        2. vindigo
          vindigo 18 March 2021 17: 38
          0
          South Koreans who moved to the Republic of Korea do not consider Russian Koreans as their own either. They say they don't know customs and language, they are foreigners for us.
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 March 2021 23: 35
        +4
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        I am a descendant of Russian Germans.

        and the most offensive thing is that no one has restored the republic of the Volga Germans
      4. victor50
        victor50 19 March 2021 09: 48
        0
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        the government has not yet apologized to the Soviet Germans

        I wonder if the United States apologized to the American Japanese? This is a question, not a joke. I have nothing against our Germans. There were even friends among them. Then life scattered, but warm memories remained.
        1. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 19 March 2021 09: 53
          0
          Good morning .
          I read somewhere that the American government recognized the deportation of the Japanese illegal.
          Unfortunately, I cannot name the source.
          1. victor50
            victor50 19 March 2021 10: 02
            0
            Quote: Blacksmith 55
            I read somewhere that the American government recognized the deportation of the Japanese illegal.
            Unfortunately, I cannot name the source.

            Rummaged, looked. Not certainly in that way. The legality of the internment was recognized by the court. After the war, compensation was paid, apparently partial. And only Reagan apologized. But there was no recognition of illegality, and could not be. I think Reagan was apologizing for political reasons, maybe economic. I have not heard that the United States apologized for Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, Dresden and other German cities.
  3. knn54
    knn54 14 March 2021 19: 06
    +2
    Roman, and Operation Surf was a mass deportation from the Baltic republics in 1940? A total of about 95000 people.
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 14 March 2021 20: 07
      +10
      Who says it's good? Many have returned. Well, what is the current generation to blame? In the Baltics, this is an everyday topic, but it is politics. And this site seems Russian.
  4. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 March 2021 19: 13
    +9
    Let's - let's expose totalitarianism! But there are no articles about modern Russia. Tell us about justifying corruption. Now officials can take bribes. It is not their fault that there was a hurricane nearby and they had to take it. And poor large families traveling on jaguars. But there is no silence about modern Russia. For everything is bad only in Ukraine. And we are rolling around like cheese in butter. Here is Mordashov, who suffered so much from covid and sanctions that his financial condition grew to 30 billion. Be proud gentlemen!
    1. depressant
      depressant 15 March 2021 07: 37
      +5
      I support, colleague Gardamir!
      Reading detailed and regularly published stories about those who undermined the country's defenses more than half a century ago, how the country was betrayed, I do not find stories about those who are doing it now. There are none? It looks as if at the present moment in time, for some important reason, citizens need to rally with billionaires who have become such at the expense of all citizens of the country, with corrupt officials and other thieves - so tell me, why! Name this reason! Maybe it exists, although it is not visible to an inexperienced citizen in politics. And if this reason is really worth it, I will definitely rally. And then she tried to rally on her own, but somehow she did not rally.
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 15 March 2021 14: 26
        -1
        yes, judging by the statistics, within 860 days you write 6 comments every day in an attempt to rally. It's good to see such rare persistence.
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 March 2021 16: 34
          +3
          Colleague Petrik66, thank you for the valuable information about me! ))))
          I am grateful, really. Hint understood. Hints from all sides. I'll just say something, a properly threatening hint. And, most importantly, I do not say anything like that, which others would not say in a much sharper form. And why such close attention with the counting of the days of my stay on the forum, with their layout by day - where does this attention to my modest and absolutely harmless person come from? But I never said anything about Karabakh, about Ukraine in general, I have been silent for a long time, and if I say anything, then about my village. In general, I use widely open sources of information from Yandex and Vzglyad. But even this is enough to shrink into a ball while reading with fear: I will go out into the street, and immediately they will tie me up on the basis of any of the thousands of restrictions on my life, which are stamped in abundance by the State Duma on every working day.
          And now, finally, you scare me))))
          1. Petrik66
            Petrik66 15 March 2021 22: 20
            -3
            Who needs you? If there was a real threat that they would come for you because of your "posts", then all the irrepressible critics of the government, the country and its people, would instantly curl up into a ball and purr sweetly. But, they will not come and people like you know that. You work badly, all posts are written according to the old manuals for a carbon copy, even the nicknames are monotonous, And what kind of profession is it, to hack with pensioners and retirees on the margins of the site. Boring gentlemen.
            1. depressant
              depressant 15 March 2021 22: 56
              +3
              Firstly ... I've been on the site for two years, I constantly hear about some manuals that, on the one hand, are widely distributed by the Kremlin, and on the other, by the US State Department, but no one has ever reproduced any of them on site VO. Maybe it was, but I'm not a witness. And, you know, it is humiliating for me to hear that I am working according to some kind of training manual. Sorry, but this is an insult to me, because I consider myself an individual. I am dependent only on the unfavorable circumstances of my own life, and some of mine, I emphasize this, my and no one else's problems forced me once to go to the VO website in the hope of bringing them to the political authorities. At the same time, I pointed out how to solve them by law to the mutual satisfaction of the authorities and the person. For my problems are not a lack of running water and a leaky roof, but something that deprives a person of fate. And you tell me about pensioners and a carbon copy. If only they wrote about a photocopy or a screenshot, but a carbon copy is the last century, and new generations do not even know such a word ...
              Secondly, if you are bored, colleague, write something uplifting yourself. But you perfectly understand that you cannot offer anything of the kind - neither you nor anyone else. Unless you give extracts from the site "Made by Us", endlessly exaggerating bearded news about Ust-Luga and the new building of "Sibur". In this regard, I express my understanding of your condition and share it))))
              1. Petrik66
                Petrik66 15 March 2021 23: 36
                -2
                A lady who went to a very specialized site for: "I am dependent only on the unfavorable circumstances of my own life, and some of mine, I emphasize this, my and no one else's problems forced me once to go to the VO site in the hope of bringing them to the political authorities" reminds a senior warrant officer who came in to complain about the incorrectly calculated seniority pension on Instagram on the page of plastic surgery victims. In addition to "Ust Luga" and "Sibur", I could give you a number of achievements of our state - "Sputnik M" for example, but why do you need it, which, even when discussing Austerlitz, goes over to the intolerable atmosphere in our country and writes that it is necessary to blame .. .... well, get it down if you have money.
              2. Undecim
                Undecim 15 March 2021 23: 41
                +3
                Lyudmila Yakovlevna, why are you entering into a discussion with a notorious turbo patriot troll?
                This is about the same as arguing with a snail or caterpillar, trying to convince her not to eat the leaves.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 16 March 2021 00: 38
                  +2
                  Victor Nikolaevich, good evening! )))))
                  I fell victim to my own politeness.
                  And just think!

                  Why do you need it, which even when discussing Austerlitz goes over to the intolerable atmosphere in our country and writes that you need to blame ... well, get it down if you have money.


                  This liar and rogue, namely Mr. Petrik66, did not take into account the fact that, having gone to the topic about Austerlitz, anyone can quickly scroll through the 317 comments on the forum and, easily finding me by my yellow nickname, make sure that I didn’t say anything like that. The case is remarkable. Vyacheslav Olegovich will have a topic about denunciations, and I will comment on this case. The country must know its heroes! wassat ))))
                  1. Petrik66
                    Petrik66 16 March 2021 09: 35
                    -3
                    depressant (lyudmila yakovlevna kuznetsova)
                    12 March 2021 15: 45
                    Austerlitz: Prelude to the Battle
                    1. "As for our contemporaries, it's funny and sad. Social elevators are closed, so at least in this way organize yourself, even if it doesn't mean anything, but elevate yourself in a small social circle)))
                    Either the monarchy is still quietly being introduced into the brains of the population, its necessity "
                    2. "Well, at the present time, quite a verdict. But already in the first reading the law" on unintentional corruption "was passed, and there, you see, the law" on accidental political preference "will appear, and you will be ousted by a lawyer and a judge, with which you will skillfully come into contact within the framework of the law "on accidental corruption"
                    3. "But it cannot be that they simply quietly make a change to the Constitution, they say, it is possible (after all, they introduced a six-year term instead of four, no one was indignant), and some interested person from the power structures will draw up a bill with the introduction to the State Duma, there, the majority will vote for, and we will wake up in another country, as it was already, and everyone will be concerned and begin to think about what it will give him personally, and the grown-up consumer will soon start coming out with the lowest requests to fix the water supply system and help block the roof, not forgetting to bow. .. Sound familiar?))). "
                    What do these attempts at rallying have to do with the discussed topic of Austerlitz?
                    As usual, wrapped in a toga of contempt, we move away from answering questions.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 16 March 2021 09: 51
                      +3
                      Petrik66, what's wrong with you! )))
                      Where is there about "getting out of the country"?
                      Listen, you have clearly grasped that my kindness is infinite, and everyone who comments on my comment, I like it - for the work that consists in reading, even if not in comprehending. But already it will be enough to swallow not only what is in the hand of the giver, but also the very hand of goodwill.
                      Petrik, all the best to you and ... goodbye! love ))))
                      1. Petrik66
                        Petrik66 16 March 2021 10: 07
                        -3
                        What is kindness? Insults?
                        "This liar and rogue, namely Mr. Petrik66 ....."
                        The question is - What does your above-mentioned posts have to do with the battle of Austerlitz ?!
  5. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 14 March 2021 19: 22
    +19
    Deportation is a bad thing. But at the same time, it is useful.
    And I don’t consider it necessary to sprinkle ashes on my head and repent for such events.
    Deportations were carried out not only in our country, but also in some. Only in a few, but nonetheless. As the great Democrat and the giant of thought, Comrade Klitschko, teaches us.
    Observing the development of events, not stupid people were engaged in activities. And they did everything right. In the interests of the country.
    If they had not, they would have deducted us at the expense. That is observed after the collapse of the Union. Now. Moreover, not hypothetically, but really.
    The Tatars were eager to cut people seriously back in the early '90s. In Crimea. And I remember that very well.
    From this is my opinion from the field.
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      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 14 March 2021 19: 58
        +15
        It is good to.
        I went to school then.
        And then all over the urban settlement the information went home. Bo will come back tomorrow. This is a terribly sweet friend.
        There it got to the point that the armored personnel carriers were driven. All right.
        I am not vindictive, but my memory is still good.
        Since then I have fierce respect for the comrades of the Tatars. And I try not to stand with my back to them. hi
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 14 March 2021 20: 15
          +14
          By the way, I forgot to add.
          These dear friends ... Not Ukrainians, but our good friends, the Tatars, blew up the power transmission line to the Crimea. And they did not allow them to be restored. Well, the Ukrainians didn't really want to ... By de-energizing the peninsula for six months in the middle of winter.
          This is for you from super recent history.
          This, again, to the topic - I'm not vindictive, but on occasion I will remember so that it will not seem a little.
          1. knn54
            knn54 14 March 2021 20: 59
            +5
            Vitaly, about. Crimean Tatars. Uzbeks are ready to pray for the Gorbachevs, for the "exodus" of the Tatars to the Crimea.
            The same picture is in Fergana, the truth is about the Meskhetian Turks. Alas, their lands in Abkhazia were already occupied, mainly by Armenians.
            Operation Vistula. Believe it or not, the "bandorism" in Poland has sharply declined.
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 14 March 2021 21: 12
          +4
          I have relatives in the Crimea. And, as they said, the descendants of Devlet-Girey were very much awaited by the village militiamen and militia with fittings. But the guests decided not to come, for some reason they suddenly felt shy. The end of the 80s, perestroika rampant.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 14 March 2021 21: 11
      +6
      When we write about the Tatars, they usually mean the Kazan Tatars. Crimean Tatars are a different people, they are not "Crimean Tatars". By the way, the Crimean Tatars themselves do not use the word "Tatar" in their self-name.
    3. Gato
      Gato 14 March 2021 21: 42
      0
      the giant of thought, Comrade Klitschko.

      I would say more - a boxer with a brain!
  6. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 14 March 2021 19: 36
    +3
    The author was especially successful in the last paragraphs. This is how it is mentally stated, with pride in the age-old Soviet and now specifically Russian endemic internationalism. It struck me for a tear! It's good that I myself managed to live in the USSR, otherwise, I would definitely believe that "the main lesson has been learned." crying
  7. tatra
    tatra 14 March 2021 19: 39
    +5
    No matter how much the enemies of the communists lie or hypocrites in their anti-Sovietism, which they have the only justification for their seizure of the USSR in 30 years, OUTSIDE it, they themselves exposed themselves and proved that they do not care about all the facts that they, with their hypocritical "righteous anger" and "philanthropy" exposed those from whom they took the country for the crimes. Including the fact that they do not care about the mass deportations of hundreds of thousands of people of "unreliable" nationalities in the Russian Empire during the First World War, and in the West during the Second World War.
  8. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 14 March 2021 19: 46
    +19
    The author has forgotten such a fact as the deportation of the Sudeten Germans by the Czechs after WWII. For some reason, no one is going to either rehabilitate or resettle them. We alone, at the behest of Khrushchev Corn, sprinkled ashes on the head and repented for Stalin's "atrocities." I don't know about other peoples, but the Crimean Tatars were saved from the inevitable retaliation from the former partisans - they would have remembered everything to them and would have sent them on foot across the sea to Turkey if the Tatars had remained in place. And so in Central Asia, they multiplied robustly.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 14 March 2021 21: 15
      +3
      By the way, since the 20s. and up to the mid-30s. the Soviet press wrote a lot about the plight of the Sudeten Germans, about their struggle for their rights.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 14 March 2021 21: 19
        +1
        I can't say anything about the period of the 20s and 30s, but the formal reason for the Anschluss of Czechoslovakia in 1938 was the "oppression" of good Sudeten Germans by bad Czechs.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 14 March 2021 21: 30
          +1
          So, to be honest, the Czechs really did not quite correct policy towards them. This is to put it mildly. In the Soviet press in the 20s and the first half of the 30s, they also wrote about the artificiality of the Austrian Republic. The article "Austria" in the first edition of TSB argued that the best solution would be to include it in Germany. The author, if my memory serves me, Tarle.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 14 March 2021 22: 24
            +2
            So, to be honest, the Czechs really did not quite correct the policy towards them.

            Probably, their complex before the Germans outlived - well, who are the Czechs, and who are the Germans? Well, throughout the 20s we had a continuous pluralism of opinions - there, even Pushkin wanted to "throw off the ship of modern literature."
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 15 March 2021 01: 36
              +1
              You know, as I studied the history of Austria-Hungary, I developed a firm conviction that if it were preserved, the Czechs would become one of its dominant, privileged peoples, or maybe they would eventually oust the Austrian Germans. At the beginning of the 20th century, they and the Poles were semi-privileged peoples of a two-pronged empire.
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 15 March 2021 08: 38
                +1
                At the beginning of the 20th century, they and the Poles were semi-privileged peoples of a two-pronged empire.

                Both those and others had historical periods of their greatness, but everything is in the past.
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 15 March 2021 14: 53
                  +1
                  In the highest authorities of the Austrian part of Austria-Hungary (Cisleitania), they were well represented, held high positions, and their influence on the policy of the state was beyond doubt. The Czechs in Prague and Brno began to squeeze out Austrian Germans in Prague, Brno back in the days of Austria-Hungary. In addition, the Austrian Germans themselves had a mentality that was different from the Germans of the German Empire, and especially from the Germans of Prussia. Austrian Germans were less belligerent, more inclined to compromise. And they themselves were not completely united in the cultural sense. And they realized that they are in a clear minority in Austria, and it would be suicidal not to take into account the rights and interests of other peoples, especially such developed ones as the Poles and Czechs.
  9. Miner
    Miner 14 March 2021 19: 51
    -3
    What is this article about - nothing!
    On this topic, you can turn at least to the library.
    The only thing I don't understand is why they were evicted from the North Caucasus? I immediately sweep aside the topic that because of anti-Sovietism and robbery. So it was possible to evict the entire western region of Ukraine and many others. At the same time, it is surprising that all Chechen Jews were also evicted from Chechen-Ingushetia. Who does not know, then there are up to a third of the population Jewish teips, true with Islamic religiosity, hiding their origin. But within the family, this fact is passed on from the mother to sleepy children.
    I know a purely Chechen family, where a man was evicted, an old man who fought in the Russo-Japanese, World War I, fought at Wrangel, and in the 20s commanded a regiment to combat banditry. The most devoted man was to Russia, like all his descendants.
    The reason for the expulsion was different, I think ...
    1. Pamir
      Pamir 14 March 2021 20: 36
      +3
      "At the same time, it is surprising that all Chechen Jews were also evicted from Chechen-Ingushetia."
      Well, for the Jews, I think that the surprise that the Nazis were preparing for them were not against being deported, regardless of their faith, away from the war.
      1. Pamir
        Pamir 14 March 2021 20: 56
        +3
        Moreover, in the Caucasus for them there was a margin of time to dump, the Wehrmacht reached the Caucasus only in the early autumn of 42. The Jews of Ukraine and Belarus did not have such a reserve.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 15 March 2021 00: 51
      +6
      Quote: Miner

      I know a purely Chechen family, where a man was evicted, an old man who fought in the Russo-Japanese, World War I, fought at Wrangel, and in the 20s commanded a regiment to combat banditry. The most devoted man was to Russia, like all his descendants.

      What kind of people are they? Yes, a few people like this old man got under analysis, so what? Was the deportation criminal because of this? And tens of thousands of those who fought against the Soviet regime, shot in the back of our soldiers, do these not count? I read somewhere - a woman, in a village near Chechnya, when the Chechens were evicted and she found out about it she said - "The Lord heard our prayers." So that's it. In 94, he talked with the former head of the regional police department in Chechnya. According to him - sheer banditry and mutual responsibility. Do you think something has changed now? I am more than sure not.
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 15 March 2021 10: 32
      +2
      I don’t understand why they were evicted from the North Caucasus? I immediately sweep aside the topic that because of anti-Sovietism and robbery. So it was possible to evict the entire western region of Ukraine

      So they were evicted. My comrade lives near Rostov, his ancestors were taken from Western Ukraine to the Rostov region by the whole village for supporting the Bandera after the war.
  10. faterdom
    faterdom 14 March 2021 19: 57
    +12
    The worst thing that can be done in politics is to condemn your own (in terms of the state, people, government) decisions, actions, deeds of bygone days.
    All "compensations" for what was 70-100-200 years ago no longer compensate those who were directly affected then, but their descendants are very interested now. And the main question - at whose expense is the fun? Indeed, in addition to the PR of some current politicians, there are also real losses, and even military conflicts.
    Isn't it expensive?
    However, let's see how the Americans will be consistent in "compensating for the guilt" before the blacks. It was necessary to "blame Trump" - they were needed. And now - there is no need to blame Trump, and no one is to blame for the blacks, "it happened" ... It will be as always.
    And preventive resettlement was not invented yesterday. A certain Nebuchadnezzar was noticed in this in relation to one restless and unstable people who loved to "rock the boat." Cyrus the Great, however, allowed him to go back (not to be confused with "repented" and even more so with "compensation").
    But the following "hegemons" - the Romans came to a similar conclusion, only their Oikumen was wider - therefore they scattered strongly and far away.
    Have not repented. Neither the Romans, nor the Greeks, nor their heirs, nor Charlemagne, who tortured the Saxons and Polabian Slavs.
    This is not accepted by them, and by no one in the world.
    Only this whole canoe is imposed on us and is being protested, with very specific goals: to shake and destroy the state. Russian state.
  11. ee2100
    ee2100 14 March 2021 19: 59
    +2
    It's a strange thing to pick at practically prolonged wounds! Or is there an order for these topics?
    Consider three generations after the Second World War, but they still want to accuse someone of something or discuss the topic of deportation in a new circle. Those. pour from empty to empty.
    And our Western "partners" are doing the right thing in forgetting about their deportations. As they say, everything has been played for a long time.
    Now it makes no sense to judge the legality or illegality of the deportations, which were more than 80 years ago. There was a different time and different laws and circumstances, and most importantly, different concepts.
    The author does not understand why some nationalities were condemned more severely than others. If he lived at that time and such questions would not arise.
    All the repressed were citizens of the USSR, but some from the 20s of the twentieth century, and others from 1940.
    Some went over to the side of the Germans en masse, while others due to various circumstances, naturally some of them also out of convictions.
    It makes no sense to discuss which nation is more to blame for what.
    It's a strange thing to pick at practically prolonged wounds! Or is there an order for these topics?
    Consider three generations after the Second World War, but they still want to accuse someone of something or discuss the topic of deportation in a new circle. Those. pour from empty to empty.
    And our Western "partners" are doing the right thing in forgetting about their deportations. As they say, everything has been played for a long time.
    Now it makes no sense to judge the legality or illegality of the deportations, which were more than 80 years ago. There was a different time and different laws and circumstances, and most importantly, different concepts.
    The author does not understand why some nationalities were condemned more severely than others. If he lived at that time and such questions would not arise.
    All the repressed were citizens of the USSR, but some from the 20s of the twentieth century, and others from 1940.
    Some went over to the side of the Germans en masse, while others due to various circumstances, naturally some of them also out of convictions.
    It makes no sense to discuss which nation is more to blame for what.
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 March 2021 20: 43
      -6
      ... Now it is pointless to judge the legality or illegality of the deportations, which were more than 80 years ago. There was a different time and different laws and circumstances, and most importantly, different concepts.

      Concepts in concepts, but if the deportation was illegal, the payment of compensation is legally assumed, so it is not surprising that there is a dispute about legality.
      And, as far as I understand, there is a big difference between the eviction of Germans due to military necessity and eviction as punishment.
      I do not remember that Soviet laws provided for collective punishment
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 14 March 2021 21: 01
        +2
        Read the documents of that time, i.e. learn the mat. part, as one of the gurus writes here
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 March 2021 21: 21
          -3
          I read, and therefore write about the fundamental difference in the reasons for deportation.
          And you seem to have not read
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 14 March 2021 21: 33
            +1
            Flag in your hands
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      3. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 15 March 2021 09: 57
        +1
        I do not remember that Soviet laws provided for collective punishment

        Provided, like modern Russian ones. More precisely, this is called collective responsibility.
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 14 March 2021 20: 13
    +8
    The message of the article is not clear. The RI and the USSR resettled, the West resettled. Russia recognized, the West did not recognize. And why .. Let's remember the Great Migration of Nations and the death of civilization. smile We will condemn and draw conclusions. smileYes, and where are the riddles? smile
    1. Gato
      Gato 14 March 2021 21: 49
      +7
      and where are the riddles?

      As where? Russia must repent crying ... It doesn't matter in what, even in soldering bears. And having repented, of course, pay. That's all the riddles.
  13. No name B
    No name B 14 March 2021 20: 29
    +12
    I think the deportation of the Crimean Tatars, Kalmyks and Chechens is well deserved. Not only did they massively defect from the active army, but especially the Crimean Tatars and Kalmyks massively served the fascists. In Crimea, the Tatars organized armed detachments in every village, which hunted down the partisans, handed over to the Nazis all their bases and warehouses. The Kalmyks organized gangs that killed the wounded and attacked the carts during the Battle of Stalingrad, the same with the Chechens.
    1. Miner
      Miner 14 March 2021 20: 32
      -1
      At the same time, the Kalmyks always fought for Russia and the Tsar, and lost a quarter of the population in civilian life.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 14 March 2021 22: 02
        +5
        Quote: Miner
        and lost a quarter of the population to the civilian

        So a quarter of the population? Could you share the link? Only the magazine "Ogonyok" and similar publications do not quote please.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 March 2021 03: 34
      0
      Quote: No name B
      I think the deportation of the Crimean Tatars, Kalmyks and Chechens is well deserved.

      Have you heard that Kadyrov was broadcasting on this topic? Such epithets about I.V. I have not heard Stalin yet ...
  14. Avior
    Avior 14 March 2021 20: 33
    +2
    ... The successful operation to evict the Germans demonstrated to the Soviet leadership the effectiveness of such measures as deportation.

    The author's idea is incomprehensible. If the Germans, as the author writes, did not cooperate with the Nazis, then what is the effectiveness?
    It is important to note that in subsequent years, the resettled citizens of different nationalities of the country were able to return to their native land.

    Someone could, but someone was not allowed until the 90s.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 14 March 2021 23: 12
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      The author's idea is incomprehensible.
      Tyrants got a taste.
      1. Avior
        Avior 14 March 2021 23: 37
        +3
        It's just not clear what the author meant by the word efficiency.
        It assumes the effect obtained, but this is not visible from the article.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 15 March 2021 00: 03
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          It's just not clear what the author meant
          He didn't mean it. Its purpose is to form an opinion. This is not done immediately. DL Overton explained everything.
  15. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 14 March 2021 20: 54
    0
    Among the peoples that had their own union republics, targeted evictions were carried out, since the liquidation of the union republics and the universal eviction of their titular ethnic groups would have led to too heavy domestic and foreign policy consequences, would have hit too hard the image of the USSR in the eyes of the world community. Therefore, only some peoples were evicted that had autonomy in the form of autonomous republics and autonomous regions, or did not have national autonomy at all.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 14 March 2021 22: 05
      +2
      Quote: Sergej1972
      Point evictions were carried out among the peoples that had their own union republics

      What kind of SSR do you mean, can you give it more details?
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 15 March 2021 01: 32
        +3
        In the Baltics, in the western regions of the Ukrainian and Byelorussian SSR, in the Moldavian SSR, evictions of nationalist, kulak, bourgeois elements were carried out, which were carried out with the participation of workers of party-Soviet structures and state security agencies from among local personnel, but there was no question of a complete eviction of peoples or on the liquidation of the union republics of the Baltic states or Moldavia.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 15 March 2021 07: 33
          +1
          Quote: Sergej1972
          In the Baltics, in the western regions of the Ukrainian and Byelorussian SSR, in the Moldavian SSR ...

          I'm understood, thank you. But there are several other reasons, you probably mean the territory acquired by the USSR before the war. Rather, a struggle was waged there against socially alien classes, such as the kulaks and so on.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 15 March 2021 14: 58
            0
            Collaborators, members of the anti-Soviet underground in the Baltics and Moldova were also partially evicted after the war, although many were forgiven. There were amnesties immediately after the war. But the Soviet leadership did not even have a thought about the total eviction of Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Moldovans, about the liquidation of their union republics. Although the percentage of real collaborators there was higher than that of some repressed North Caucasian peoples.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 15 March 2021 15: 11
              0
              Quote: Sergej1972
              Although the percentage of real collaborators there was higher than that of some repressed North Caucasian peoples.

              Just completely different peoples. Let's just say that some of the peoples of the North Caucasus are still alive with remnants of the tribal system, up to blood feud, among especially frostbitten ones.
              It was impossible to treat them differently. Stalin, after the first Chechen war, the Chechens would definitely have resettled Siberia to develop.
  16. iouris
    iouris 14 March 2021 20: 55
    +10
    This has long been history. The iron logic of the leaders of the USSR is incomprehensible to modern under-educated hackers and propagandized "liberals" who have only "principles" and wishes. They know little, they have clip thinking, they practically do not know how to do anything, but they undertake to judge everything and even undertake to lead everything. There is only one criterion - the war has been won, the country has been restored in seven years, Sputnik was launched 12 years later, the USSR became the head of the alternative world system, became the second economy in the world. Try it again!
    1. apro
      apro 15 March 2021 02: 41
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      Try again!

      It is not economically feasible. There are no resources that can be put in a pocket. To translate any garbage.
  17. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 14 March 2021 20: 55
    +3
    Strictly speaking, the very term deportation in relation to the movement of citizens, including forced ones, within the country is not entirely correct.
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 March 2021 21: 29
      0
      ... Deportation (lat. Deportatio "expulsion, expulsion") or expulsion is the forced expulsion of a person or a whole category of persons to another state or other locality, usually under escort.

      The term deportation also applies to internal evictions
      Another thing is that deportation as a punishment was not provided for by Soviet laws, as well as collective punishment in general.
      Under Soviet law, this was a lifelong exile with confiscation of property.
  18. Turist1996
    Turist1996 14 March 2021 21: 02
    +8
    They were either accused of massive collaboration with the Germans, or were resettled for the same preventive reasons as the Greeks or Koreans.

    Well, about the Crimean Tatars - there are not accusations here, but facts and criminal cases are about massive cooperation with the German fascist administration ..
    How they handed over ours in the Adzhimushkay quarries - exactly recorded.
    Nevertheless, we remember very well such a fighter pilot, honored test pilot, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, Crimean Tatar Amet-Khan Sultan. And he is just one of many who have not betrayed and are fighting. But mass phenomena give rise to mass reactions. To endure a "fifth column" in your near rear in such a war is an impermissible luxury!
  19. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 14 March 2021 21: 05
    +2
    The family has its black sheep, as they say, there were heroes and traitors in every nationality, this measure for the resettlement of these peoples was dictated by the evolving situation at the front, all then eventually returned home, in the 90s, in my opinion, they even paid compensation
  20. hohol95
    hohol95 14 March 2021 23: 36
    +2
    But if everything was clear with the Germans and Finns - the Soviet Union was at war with both Germany and Finland, then the reasons for the deportation were much more mysterious. the Greeks from the Crimea and the Caucasus. The Greeks were never seen in sympathy for Hitler's Nazism, however, Lavrenty Beria classified them as anti-Soviet and alien elements. Probably the fact that the Greeks were a people who had their own statehood outside the USSR.

    Couldn't ethnic GRECS be involved in the banal SMUGGLING?
    And to be ha this soil recruited or to represent an easy "material" for recruiting!
    Or did foreign intelligence services (including the lord's Poland) not work with the population of the Crimean peninsula until the Great Patriotic War?
  21. Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 15 March 2021 00: 47
    +1
    And I want to say kind words about the local residents of those places where people were resettled, these locals shared food and shelter with the newcomers, although they themselves did not live richly.
    1. aglet
      aglet 16 March 2021 08: 19
      +1
      "these locals shared food and shelter with the newcomers, although they themselves did not live richly"
      especially Kazakhs with Chechens, when they started their folk craft
  22. nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 March 2021 07: 08
    +4
    What was broadcast by Western radio stations in the 60s suddenly became the main thing in our time, and no one will remember the mass evictions of Russian people in the 90s. But then all the trains were overflowing with unwanted nationalities. All this is chosen in order to show that under the Soviets, national policy was allegedly a failure. It is just necessary to blame everything from a sick head to a healthy one.
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  24. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 08: 22
    -6
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Mark Kalendarov
    Moreover, the most thankless work is to assess the affairs of the past years from modern positions.

    And it's not even a matter of the current position. Perhaps at that time, even in a very short period of time (month, week, day), some facts, documents, even a conversation, an opinion surfaced that we do not know now, but they served as that pebble, because of which an avalanche started. And if we recognized them now, maybe they would also declare: "Yes, send them to such a mother."


    You are not right.

    After the analysis, a conclusion is made, that is, an assessment. The assessment by the state took place back in the late 80s - early 90s. The resettlement of peoples is deservedly called a crime of the Soviet state.

    But unfortunately, at the same time as this assessment, the criminals were not punished, and the victims did not receive adequate compensation and interest. People were evicted with the right to take only some (not any) clothing and food for 2-3 days.

    What is the compensation? But this is - previously illegally resettled persons were only granted the right to partial compensation for utility bills according to the rules provided for by each individual constituent entity of the Russian Federation and within the budgetary capacity of the corresponding constituent entity of the Russian Federation. As if the eviction of peoples was carried out by decision of certain regional or regional committees, and not by the Soviet state itself. This is a laughing matter for the chickens. And this is completely disproportionate to the confiscated property, immovable and movable.
    Since a person is not only the mind, but also emotions. You can't do without emotion.

    As for the debates, they are not needed, because the state assessment has already been made. It is necessary to punish the criminals who are still living, and to name the dead by name, from Pahan to the guardians.

    Doesn't now, if the offender caused damage to the victim, the court does not impose on the offender an obligation to compensate the damage in full?
    Therefore, the victims (and if they have already died, then their descendants) need to be given monetary compensation + the interest rates that have come up during this time, adjusted for inflation.
  25. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 08: 27
    -1
    Quote: IMS
    The author has painted an almost blissful picture. He just forgot to give a complete statistical picture of the selected peoples, incl. the number of deaths.

    As far as I know, when the Buryats were evicted from Buryatia in the Angara region and in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, up to half of the evicted died of hunger, who were left without a roof over their heads, without food in the taiga in winter. Compared to such a crime, what does Chikatilo mean?
  26. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 08: 31
    0
    Quote: nikvic46
    What was broadcast by Western radio stations in the 60s suddenly became the main thing in our time, and no one will remember the mass evictions of Russian people in the 90s. But then all the trains were overflowing with unwanted nationalities. All this is chosen in order to show that under the Soviets, national policy was allegedly a failure. It is just necessary to blame everything from a sick head to a healthy one.

    Which head was healthy? The head of the Soviet state?
    Of course, it is necessary to punish the criminals who expelled non-indigenous people from the North Caucasus or from Tuva. But this does not mean that the expulsion of peoples in the 30-40s. - it was good. For example, one could still say something bad about the Crimean Tatars or Germans, but why did the Koreans and Buryats not please the Soviet state? The ones that look like the Japanese? But the Germans are so similar to the Russians. And the Russians were resettled, but not all, and not more than 1/10 of the total number, and even then not on a national basis, but on property or class.
  27. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 08: 38
    -1
    Quote: hohol95
    But if everything was clear with the Germans and Finns - the Soviet Union was at war with both Germany and Finland, then the reasons for the deportation were much more mysterious. the Greeks from the Crimea and the Caucasus. The Greeks were never seen in sympathy for Hitler's Nazism, however, Lavrenty Beria classified them as anti-Soviet and alien elements. Probably the fact that the Greeks were a people who had their own statehood outside the USSR.

    Couldn't ethnic GRECS be involved in the banal SMUGGLING?
    And to be ha this soil recruited or to represent an easy "material" for recruiting!
    Or did foreign intelligence services (including the lord's Poland) not work with the population of the Crimean peninsula until the Great Patriotic War?


    And in the 90s I sometimes carried contraband. Was not caught. There was such a phenomenon in those days. I am not Greek, but I have 50% Russian blood. Should all Russians be exiled for smuggling just in case? After all, some of us did this once.

    And what to do with those who were punished only for their nationality? Can all the same compensate for the damage?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 15 March 2021 08: 42
      +2
      Russians, as a people, were not exiled, but if you count in people, they repressed more than all the others put together ..... This is the system.
  28. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 08: 41
    -3
    Quote: CommanderDIVA
    The family has its black sheep, as they say, there were heroes and traitors in every nationality, this measure for the resettlement of these peoples was dictated by the evolving situation at the front, all then eventually returned home, in the 90s, in my opinion, they even paid compensation


    No compensation was paid.

    They only provided benefits for utility bills. The amount of benefits was set by each constituent entity of the Russian Federation within the budgetary capacity of the corresponding constituent entity of the Russian Federation. As if the resettlement was carried out not in the name of the Soviet state, but in the name of the region or region.

    Therefore, compensation in full, in my opinion, should be paid in the same way as a criminal pays compensation to the victim or his heirs.
  29. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 08: 43
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    Quote: Turist1996
    They were either accused of massive collaboration with the Germans, or were resettled for the same preventive reasons as the Greeks or Koreans.

    Well, about the Crimean Tatars - there are not accusations here, but facts and criminal cases are about massive cooperation with the German fascist administration ..
    How they handed over ours in the Adzhimushkay quarries - exactly recorded.
    Nevertheless, we remember very well such a fighter pilot, honored test pilot, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, Crimean Tatar Amet-Khan Sultan. And he is just one of many who have not betrayed and are fighting. But mass phenomena give rise to mass reactions. To endure a "fifth column" in your near rear in such a war is an impermissible luxury!


    I agree. It is necessary to punish for mass betrayal. But only traitors, and not everyone who is with traitors of the same nationality. How many Russians were there in the ROA? However, the Russians themselves punished themselves with their 20th century. The entire 20th century for Russia is a continuous, but not sufficient punishment.
  30. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 08: 49
    +1
    Quote: Sergej1972
    The Koreans were not accused of anything. Literally within a few years after the resettlement to Central Asia and Kazakhstan, Korean collective and state farms became the most prosperous. Many Koreans were awarded state awards for labor merit. For example, the famous collective farm chairman Kim Pen Hwa, twice Hero of Socialist Labor. Many Koreans already in the first post-war years, back in Stalin's times, were elected as deputies of different levels, held positions in the party state apparatus. And there was no particular strictness regarding the choice of place of residence. And the Koreans who lived on the territory of southern Sakhalin, which returned to the territory of our country in 1945, were not going to be evicted.


    I will say more than that.

    Before the Second World War, Koreans were the only people in the Far East who created agricultural products. Of course, there were also Chinese, but they were all deported to China in the early 30s.
    At the DF, Russians and other settlers from the European part of the USSR were military, officials, workers, but almost never peasants. Therefore, after the eviction of Koreans to Central Asia, a wild food shortage arose in the Far East, which had to be transported from the already starving European part. And then there was no import of food from China.

    And the Koreans were punished only for their resemblance to the Japanese, that they say that Japanese spies may be hiding under the species of Koreans. Meanwhile, the PKK's blatant ignorance in the national question of the Far East was that the commies did not know that for centuries and until now, every Korean hates the Japanese.
  31. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 08: 53
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    Quote: Sergej1972
    You know, as I studied the history of Austria-Hungary, I developed a firm conviction that if it were preserved, the Czechs would become one of its dominant, privileged peoples, or maybe they would eventually oust the Austrian Germans. At the beginning of the 20th century, they and the Poles were semi-privileged peoples of a two-pronged empire.


    First, the statement is off-topic.
    Secondly, it is known that Czechs were prohibited from higher education in Czech in the Czech Republic under the Austrians. It is known that the Germans owned a third of the land in the Czech Republic. It is known that the highest military and administrative positions in the Empire were occupied only by Germans and Hungarians. The only Czech general was Kolovrat. It is known that the national policy in Cisleitania consisted in the Germanization of non-German peoples.
  32. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 08: 56
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    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Blacksmith 55
    I am a descendant of Russian Germans.

    and the most offensive thing is that no one has restored the republic of the Volga Germans


    There are not enough Germans in Russia to restore this republic. Therefore, it is not offensive.
    Let the Germans come to us again, then we'll think about it. But you can't lure him out of here with a roll.
  33. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 08: 59
    -1
    Quote: Gardamir
    Let's - let's expose totalitarianism! But there are no articles about modern Russia. Tell us about justifying corruption. Now officials can take bribes. It is not their fault that there was a hurricane nearby and they had to take it. And poor large families traveling on jaguars. But there is no silence about modern Russia. For everything is bad only in Ukraine. And we are rolling around like cheese in butter. Here is Mordashov, who suffered so much from covid and sanctions that his financial condition grew to 30 billion. Be proud gentlemen!


    The current plunder of Russia by internal enemies is the most painful topic. But this is just a topic for another discussion. This does not mean that one should be silent about other aspects of the current and past life of the country.
  34. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 09: 04
    -1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Russians, as a people, were not exiled, but if you count in people, they repressed more than all the others put together ..... This is the system.


    You are not right.

    In total, 680 thousand people were shot under Stalin. Evicted, exiled, imprisoned or starved to death, according to various estimates, from 7 to 20 million people. Russians are about 30%.

    In other words, Russians, with a population of about 100 million. The bed suffered 2-5% damage. That's not a lot. Because the resettled peoples could be repressed with 80% - 100% - coverage.
    In addition, repressions against Russians were associated either with their property status (for example, Nepmen or kulaks), or with pre-revolutionary class affiliation (nobles, merchants, priests, Cossacks). But by nationality, Russians with 100% coverage were not resettled under Stalin.
  35. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 09: 12
    -1
    Quote: faterdom
    The worst thing that can be done in politics is to condemn your own (in terms of the state, people, government) decisions, actions, deeds of bygone days.
    All "compensations" for what was 70-100-200 years ago no longer compensate those who were directly affected then, but their descendants are very interested now. And the main question - at whose expense is the fun? Indeed, in addition to the PR of some current politicians, there are also real losses, and even military conflicts.
    Isn't it expensive?
    However, let's see how the Americans will be consistent in "compensating for the guilt" before the blacks. It was necessary to "blame Trump" - they were needed. And now - there is no need to blame Trump, and no one is to blame for the blacks, "it happened" ... It will be as always.
    And preventive resettlement was not invented yesterday. A certain Nebuchadnezzar was noticed in this in relation to one restless and unstable people who loved to "rock the boat." Cyrus the Great, however, allowed him to go back (not to be confused with "repented" and even more so with "compensation").
    But the following "hegemons" - the Romans came to a similar conclusion, only their Oikumen was wider - therefore they scattered strongly and far away.
    Have not repented. Neither the Romans, nor the Greeks, nor their heirs, nor Charlemagne, who tortured the Saxons and Polabian Slavs.
    This is not accepted by them, and by no one in the world.
    Only this whole canoe is imposed on us and is being protested, with very specific goals: to shake and destroy the state. Russian state.


    You are not right.

    The fact is that under Stalin, the USSR on December 10, 1948 assumed, including retroactively, obligations to protect human rights.

    The World Declaration of Human Rights signed by the Soviet Union is the line separating the cannibals and bloodsuckers of the past centuries from the modern civilized society and the state that we, I hope, all want to become.

    I certainly know the story. But I do not want a repetition of her excesses in our time. And if someone tries to repeat these excesses, then that someone should be punished under the Criminal Code, and the victim should receive fair compensation, no matter how huge it may be.
  36. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 09: 19
    +1
    Quote: iouris
    This has long been history. The iron logic of the leaders of the USSR is incomprehensible to modern under-educated hackers and propagandized "liberals" who have only "principles" and wishes. They know little, they have clip thinking, they practically do not know how to do anything, but they undertake to judge everything and even undertake to lead everything. There is only one criterion - the war has been won, the country has been restored in seven years, Sputnik was launched 12 years later, the USSR became the head of the alternative world system, became the second economy in the world. Try it again!


    Nobody argues with this.
    But this does not negate the fact that the USSR as a state committed crimes against its own citizens. In this issue, crimes in the form of forced resettlement were applied to people only on the basis of ethnicity. For this crime, it is not the state that should be punished, but the persons who made the criminal decisions. If they died, then it is necessary to list the dead criminals and posthumously deprive them of their honor in the form of state awards and honorary burials.

    Victims need to be paid commensurate compensation, not crumbs - excuses. If the victims died, then pay the heirs. For example, they forced M. Evremov to pay the heirs of the deceased S. Zakharov.
  37. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 09: 23
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    Quote: Benzorez
    Deportation is a bad thing. But at the same time, it is useful.
    And I don’t consider it necessary to sprinkle ashes on my head and repent for such events.
    Deportations were carried out not only in our country, but also in some. Only in a few, but nonetheless. As the great Democrat and the giant of thought, Comrade Klitschko, teaches us.
    Observing the development of events, not stupid people were engaged in activities. And they did everything right. In the interests of the country.
    If they had not, they would have deducted us at the expense. That is observed after the collapse of the Union. Now. Moreover, not hypothetically, but really.
    The Tatars were eager to cut people seriously back in the early '90s. In Crimea. And I remember that very well.
    From this is my opinion from the field.

    Deportation is neither good nor bad. This is just a punishment. It is a tool in the hands of the punitive authorities.
    It is simply necessary to deport or otherwise punish only criminals, and not those who are not criminals, but only of the same nationality as the criminal.
  38. Basarev
    Basarev 15 March 2021 10: 29
    0
    The deportations are a direct consequence of Lenin's ethnic policy. Fighting with the Russians, he destroyed the national foundation of the country. With his own hands, he fed the small-town separatism. And he created in the national environment the very treacherous moods that had to be suppressed by deportations. So the foreigners cannot impute it to the Russians. The Russians themselves suffered from the Soviet regime, she alone is to blame.
    1. DWG1905
      DWG1905 15 March 2021 11: 30
      +1
      The author lacks erudition. A sacramental question, why weren't the Azerbaijanis evicted? The answer is simple: Turks are Sunnis and Azerbaijanis are Shiites. And here is a thousand-year conflict.
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 15 March 2021 16: 22
        0
        Are you saying today Shiites and Sunites made peace in Karabakh? Again, Putin is to blame.
  39. Pavel57
    Pavel57 15 March 2021 11: 00
    0
    [quote = Klingon] do not consider their locals [/ quote

    Pontic Greeks are also not entirely native to Greece.
  40. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 15 March 2021 12: 19
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    Quote: DWG1905
    The author lacks erudition. A sacramental question, why weren't the Azerbaijanis evicted? The answer is simple: Turks are Sunnis and Azerbaijanis are Shiites. And here is a thousand-year conflict.


    The reason is different.
    The Azerbaijanis had their own SSR. In the USSR, it was not customary to evict the titular nation of the union republic. Even in the Baltic States, not all Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians were evicted, but only representatives of the so-called. exploiting classes. In this article, we are talking about resettled peoples who did not have their own union republics (at most, the ASSR), and who seemed unreliable to Stalin and his gang.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 15 March 2021 16: 20
      0
      They showed their unreliability, but did not show themselves.
  41. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 15 March 2021 16: 19
    +3
    For deportation they ask from the Russians .. Only repentance from the deported peoples for their "heroes" I have not seen, I see only the glorification of "traitors".
  42. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 16 March 2021 05: 03
    -1
    Quote: hhhhhhh
    For deportation they ask from the Russians .. Only repentance from the deported peoples for their "heroes" I have not seen, I see only the glorification of "traitors".


    Not from the Russians, but from the multinational Soviet state and from its successors - all 15 new states after the collapse of the USSR.
  43. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 16 March 2021 18: 51
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    Quote: atos_kin
    Quote: Aleksandr1971
    it was necessary to punish 20 thousand, not 200 thousand.

    If they had not been deported, then after the return of the veterans, having learned what the Tatar neighbors were doing with their relatives, the Crimean Tatars as an ethnic group would have ceased to exist.

    Here you put the cons to me.
    And tell me, than the Koreans and Buryats were guilty of the USSR? By the fact that their eyes are narrow? Or would you say that you don’t know their guilt, but the Soviet Government probably knew better?
    But back in the late 80s and early 90s. our Russian Federation has officially recognized forced migrations of peoples as a crime. Probably on yours it is necessary to cancel such recognition?
  44. lelik613
    lelik613 21 March 2021 13: 47
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    You all forget the main reason - the war. They were evicted following the results of the war, from the places that were the battlefield or adjacent areas, taking into account the possibility of returning battles and foreseeing a new war, with the "allies" This was not revenge, under the influence of anger, but a balanced decision of the commander-in-chief.