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A batch of MiG-35S multipurpose fighters entered service with the Russian Aerospace Forces

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A batch of MiG-35S multipurpose fighters entered service with the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS). This is stated in the materials of the Russian military department, published in the departmental newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda.


It is noted that the fighters were delivered to the troops as part of the state defense order, while it is not specified how many aircraft were transferred to the military. However, it is emphasized that the MiG-35S were delivered ahead of schedule.

MiG-35S planes delivered to the troops

- says the infographic.

The presentation of the MiG-35 fighter, created on the basis of the MiG-29K / KUB and MiG-29M / M2, took place in January 2017. In August 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract with the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) for the supply of the first six production MiG-35S and MiG-35UB fighters. In total, the state armament program provides for the purchase of 2027 production MiG-24 fighters by 35.

The MiG-35 is the latest generation 4 ++ multirole fighter based on the 5th generation fighter technology. It is designed to destroy air targets, as well as destroy ground targets at any time of the day and in any weather conditions.

The MiG-35 is equipped with new engines with increased traction, is equipped with a refueling system in the air and is capable of acting as a tanker.

The maximum take-off weight of the fighter is 24 500 kg, the maximum load is 6,5 tons. Speed ​​- 2100 km / h, maximum traction - 18000 kgf. The practical ceiling is declared in 16 thousand meters, flight range - 3 thousand kilometers. It has nine points of external suspension and an integrated 30-mm cannon; the armament includes air-to-air missiles of various ranges, air-to-surface missiles, adjustable bombs, unguided missiles and bombs of caliber up to 500 kg.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 12 March 2021 13: 52
    +8
    Let them train on a small episode for now, if the Air Force likes it, they will increase the issue!
    1. Machito
      Machito 12 March 2021 14: 00
      +6
      Fly birds. Practice shitting on the vrazhinka's head.
      1. dauria
        dauria 12 March 2021 14: 32
        -18%
        In total, the state armaments program provides for the purchase of 2027 serial MiG-24 fighters by 35.


        One and a half month plan of the 21st plant (then the city of Gorky) in 1984 for the MiG-31. Plus MiG-21bis for export and aluminum casts with cans and basins in between. Why create such a combined hodgepodge in our Armed Forces, and even in such scanty quantities? If they dream of "pushing" over the hill, then the market is flooded with more decent goods.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 17 March 2021 11: 27
          0
          Quote: dauria
          If they dream of "pushing" over the hill, then the market is flooded with more decent goods.

          voice the entire list, please
    2. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 12 March 2021 15: 10
      +1
      The Air Force just doesn't need it. It is inferior to the Su-35S in everything, especially in the range, but it should not be said that it is much cheaper. And AFAR was never brought to mind ...
      A fighter with one AL-41 and a good avionics would make sense.
      1. URAL72
        URAL72 13 March 2021 10: 46
        +1
        A fighter with one AL-41 and a good avionics would make sense.

        Of course, but that's a lot of money. And so we will get a good car, which is more preferable in Armenia, Kaliningrad, Crimea (the Black Sea theater is not big), Syria (fuel economy), etc. I have always been against the MiG-35, I am for the new MiG-21, but the money ... So we have to hold on ...
  2. vvvjak
    vvvjak 12 March 2021 13: 56
    +11
    Interestingly, they are already with AFAR "Zhuk-A"?
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 12 March 2021 14: 12
      -3
      Most likely with a slotted antenna.
      1. URAL72
        URAL72 13 March 2021 10: 49
        +1
        With a slotted PFAR, it is M / M2, 35C must be with an AFAR. No data yet. And rightly so - let them be afraid ...
    2. Andylw
      Andylw 12 March 2021 14: 14
      -10%
      no
      there is an antediluvian crack
      1. novel66
        novel66 12 March 2021 14: 26
        -10%
        then it makes no sense, already lost to everyone
      2. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 12 March 2021 14: 35
        +11
        Quote: AndyLW
        there is an antediluvian crack

        So it seems like the MiG-35 chip is just in the AFAR radar.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 12 March 2021 14: 45
          +9
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Quote: AndyLW
          there is an antediluvian crack

          So it seems like the MiG-35 chip is just in the AFAR radar.


          According to the idea of ​​AFAR, BEETLE-AM should already be ready.
          . November 28, 2018 General Director of RSK "MiG" Ilya Tarasenko. said: "We understand that this [AFAR radar] is a global trend in the use of radar with an active phased antenna on this type of aircraft. Naturally, we already have a prototype for testing."

          Recall that the first prototype radar equipped with AFAR - Zhuk-MA - was manufactured at Fazotron-NIIR back in 2005, and at the beginning of 2007, its modified reduced version, called Zhuk-AE, was installed on the MiG-35 demonstrator aircraft with w / n 154. However, flight tests with this locator were carried out only in 2009. Despite the good results of these tests and reports of a number of media outlets in 2010 about the start of serial production of this station, it was decided to make changes to the design, the new modification was named Zhuk-AM, and as of the end of 2018, Phazotron-NIIR actually has only one experimental a sample of this radar. If the estimated timing of flight tests (about 2 years) turns out to be correct, then the first production samples will be ready no earlier than 2021, so the epic bringing it to the AFAR series will take NIIR a total of at least 17 years.



          For the sake of fairness, we nevertheless note that if the characteristics declared by the manufacturer for the export version (Zhuk-AME) are confirmed during the tests, in particular, the detection range of a fighter-class target at a distance of more than 250 km with a radar dead weight of only 100 kg, then such a tedious the expectation will be justified by the prospect of obtaining a radar that surpasses the best world analogues in its characteristics.

          https://m.vk.com/wall-173678697_2515
          1. Andylw
            Andylw 12 March 2021 15: 54
            -2
            Videoconferencing ordered a mig-35 with a beetle with a pfar
            1. venik
              venik 12 March 2021 20: 49
              +1
              Quote: AndyLW
              Videoconferencing ordered a mig-35 with a beetle with a pfar

              ========
              There were rumors that for the VKS it will be with PFAR, since AFAR is expensive and will only go for export versions ... But how much they correspond to reality - request
              I would like to think that it DOES NOT MEET and will still be AFAR!
        2. Andylw
          Andylw 12 March 2021 15: 55
          0
          ordered from pfar
        3. Flooding
          Flooding 12 March 2021 16: 19
          +3
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          So it seems like the MiG-35 chip is just in the AFAR radar.

          it should be
          photo report of Lystseva from MAKS-2019
          photos 3 and 4 above
          https://fotografersha.livejournal.com/1084565.html

      3. 1976AG
        1976AG 12 March 2021 14: 41
        +2
        Quote: AndyLW
        no
        there is an antediluvian crack

        Where does the information come from?
    3. Icarus
      Icarus 12 March 2021 18: 02
      +8
      Interestingly, they are already with AFAR "Zhuk-A"?

      The MiG-35 is equipped with a Zhuk-AE (FGA-29) radar with an active phased antenna array (AFAR), consisting of 680 transmit and receive modules, accompanies 30 and simultaneously fires up to 6 air and 4 ground targets at a distance of up to 160 km. Antenna diameter - 575 mm. (https://aviation21.ru/mig-35/)
      1. kit88
        kit88 12 March 2021 22: 49
        +10
        You have an article for 2016.
        Actually?
  3. El Chuvachino
    El Chuvachino 12 March 2021 13: 58
    +10
    What a twist! good
  4. Hey
    Hey 12 March 2021 13: 59
    +5
    Finally!!!!! Oh sufferer.
    1. Borik
      Borik 12 March 2021 14: 34
      +6
      In total, the state armaments program provides for the purchase of 2027 serial MiG-24 fighters by 35.

      Yes, the sufferer. And 24 aircraft until 2027 are minuscule for the Russian Aerospace Forces. It is that 3-4 aircraft per year will be delivered. At least they doubled the order, Or ours are hoping for orders for the MiG-35 from India and from other Asian-African states. ...
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 12 March 2021 14: 39
        +5
        Quote: Borik
        In total, the state armaments program provides for the purchase of 2027 serial MiG-24 fighters by 35.

        Yes, the sufferer. And 24 aircraft until 2027 are minuscule for the Russian Aerospace Forces. It is that 3-4 aircraft per year will be delivered. At least they doubled the order, Or ours are hoping for orders for the MiG-35 from India and from other Asian-African states. ...

        Nobody bothers to fulfill this contract ahead of schedule and conclude the next one. Everything will depend on the needs of the given aircraft.
      2. jeka424
        jeka424 12 March 2021 14: 49
        +2
        then it probably doesn't hurt to increase the order if you want
      3. Grits
        Grits 13 March 2021 06: 52
        0
        Quote: Borik
        Or ours are hoping for orders for the MiG-35 from India and other Asian-African states. ...

        It's just that other countries are not very willing to buy an aircraft that is not in service with the manufacturing country. Most likely this is showing, they say, look, we also have one in our arsenal - buy without hesitation
  5. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 12 March 2021 14: 06
    +9
    The MiG-35 is very good!
  6. stoqn477
    stoqn477 12 March 2021 14: 17
    0
    The consignment? An interesting concept for a number ...
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 12 March 2021 14: 21
    +2
    So it's great that our regiment has arrived. good
  8. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 12 March 2021 14: 21
    0
    I wonder how many of them will be ordered in the end.
  9. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 12 March 2021 14: 33
    -3
    the takeoff weight of the fighter is 24 kg, the maximum load is 500 tons. Speed ​​- 6,5 km / h, maximum thrust - 2100 kgf
    who is interested now.
    The main thing is what kind of avionics, what kind of radar ...
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 12 March 2021 14: 51
      +7
      There are 35 versions of the radar for the MiG-3.
      ... Particular attention is paid to the information collected by Western sources about the fighter's onboard radar. According to them, the aircraft can be equipped with three versions of the Zhuk family of fire control radars - Zhuk-ME with a slot antenna, Zhuk-AE and Zhuk-AME with an active PAR.



      Multi-mode radar "Zhuk-ME" developed by "Phazotron-NIIR" is capable of automatically tracking 10 targets and providing firing at four of them, the detection range of an air target with EPR is 5 sq. m is 120 km.


      "Zhuk-AE" also developed by "Phazotron-NIIR" is capable of simultaneously tracking 30 air targets and providing simultaneous shelling of six of them, has the ability to detect hovering helicopters, moving and stationary ground and sea targets, and map the terrain. The detection range of air targets is 180 km.


      Zhuk-AME was created by KRET Corporation (a subsidiary of Fazotron-NIIR, part of the ROSTEKH group) and was first presented at the Airshow China 2016 exhibition in Zhuhai (China). This ultra-modern radar was created to equip not only the MiG-35, but also the fighters of the early versions of the MiG-29 family, if there is an interest in their modernization through the radar. Also, this radar can be offered to equip promising combat aircraft. The station is capable of tracking 30 targets simultaneously and providing shelling of six of them (against ground targets - four), has a mode of information exchange with other aircraft. PPMs (receiving and transmitting modules) are made of light heat-resistant ceramics using 3D technology, which made it possible to reduce the thickness of the antenna sheet to less than 10 cm together with power supplies and control units (10 cm together with the power supply sources and control units). According to the developer, this station is much more advanced than modern radars of this class. The maximum detection range of air targets has been increased to 260 km, the mass of the radar is only about 100 kg.

      https://vpk.name/news/173744_tri_radara_dlya_mig-35.html
      1. Errr
        Errr 12 March 2021 16: 54
        +7
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        There are 35 versions of the radar for the MiG-3.
        We are already waiting for the 4th. smile
        Modified radar "Zhuk-AE / FGA-35" with AESA (ROFAR).
        FGA-35 beetle tested on MiG-35
        The basic radar system for the MiG-35S version of the Russian Air Force is the N041R radar with mechanical scanning and a slotted antenna array. The export version is equipped with the Zhuk-ME (FGM229) variant. The Zhuk-M radar is not the latest, but an improved and more economical design. A more advanced version - FGA-35 / Zhuk-AE with active electronic scanning - has already passed flight tests on the MiG-35, tests of which included
        launching rockets.
        At MAKS-2013, the Fazotron company showed another version of the Zhuk-A radar, initially it received the designation FGA-35 (3D), and the new transceiver modules were manufactured using LTCC technology (low-temperature ceramics with co-firing). The array is much thinner and lighter than in the Zhuk-AE version. Each module is 13 mm (0,5 in) deep, several times less than those used on the Zhuk-AE. The array is air-cooled (Zhuk-AE is liquid), and the pulse power of each module is 5 W. Fazotron General Designer Yuri Guskov promises to hand over the new radar for evaluation on the MiG-35 fighter in 2014.
        https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2016/03/14/kret-creates-a-laboratory-for-research-in-photonics/
        The MiG-35 is a new export version that combines modern MiG-29M2 systems with AESA radar. As an additional option, the fighter has thrust vectoring engines. Improved avionics and weapons systems, in particular the new AESA radar (ROFAR) and a unique optical locator system (OLS), make the aircraft less dependent on ground-based controlled intercept (GCI) systems and allow the MiG-35 to perform independent multipurpose missions.
        https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2015/10/15/mikoyan-mig-35/
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 13 March 2021 00: 39
          +2
          AESA is AFAR, not ROFAR
          1. Errr
            Errr 13 March 2021 06: 22
            +1
            Absolutely. Active Electronically Scanned Array - active matrix with electronic scanning or in other words - Аactive Фazzed Аntennaya Рbush. But ROFAR, according to the principle of its work, is just a radio-photonic version of AFAR, nothing more.
            In fact, it uses exactly the same distributed system of active elements as in AFAR, i.e. there is an active matrix.
            1. KCA
              KCA 13 March 2021 09: 32
              -1
              By reflection, ROFAR can fully display the shape of an aircraft or other object, perhaps ROFAR propaganda and disinformation, however, the samples have been tested for a long time, and the power consumption of ROFAR is much lower than that of AFAR, and perhaps this is why AFAR did not take root in the Russian Federation, water cooling of the radar will require significant restructuring aircraft, and why change the ideal aircraft?
              1. Errr
                Errr 13 March 2021 11: 29
                0
                AFAR is possible without water cooling by using low temperature co-fired ceramic (LTCC) modules in the matrix. The Tomsk Research Institute of Semiconductor Devices (JSC "NIIPP") is already offering to buy goods. smile
                https://www.niipp.ru/catalog/detail.php?ID=245
                1. KCA
                  KCA 13 March 2021 12: 14
                  +1
                  Well, you should understand that a heat sink is required from ceramics, yes, there is temperature-resistant ceramics, but silicon semiconductors do not work at a temperature of about 100 degrees Celsius, transistors in an AFAR made of silicon, well, more precisely, at 100 they work, but that's 150 about nothing, turn off the light, drain the water
                  1. Errr
                    Errr 13 March 2021 16: 47
                    0
                    You will not have to drain the water due to its complete absence. laughing
                    At MAKS-2013, the Fazotron company showed another version of the Zhuk-A radar, initially it received the designation FGA-35 (3D)and the new transceiver modules were manufactured using LTCC (Low Temperature Co-Fired Ceramic) technology. The array is much thinner and lighter than in the Zhuk-AE version. Each module is 13 mm (0,5 in) deep, several times less than those used on the Zhuk-AE. Array air-cooled (Zhuk-AE - liquid), and the pulse power of each module is 5 W. Fazotron General Designer Yuri Guskov promises to hand over the new radar for evaluation on the MiG-35 fighter in 2014.
                    https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2016/03/14/kret-creates-a-laboratory-for-research-in-photonics/
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 12 March 2021 23: 25
        0
        Aircraft for our Air Force are not equipped with export equipment.
      3. ramzay21
        ramzay21 13 March 2021 09: 26
        0
        Phazatron is gone. The building was demolished, the team was dispersed, it is not known who will bring the radars to mind.
        1. Hexenmeister
          Hexenmeister 13 March 2021 12: 39
          0
          NPO "Fazotron" has not existed for a long time, but here "FASOTRON-NIIR" was mentioned, so NIIR, as a radar developer, was dispersed and demolished ???
          1. ramzay21
            ramzay21 14 March 2021 04: 38
            0
            Again. Last year, the building in which Fazatron was located in Moscow was demolished, the team was fired. Find details on the Internet.
  10. Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 12 March 2021 14: 36
    +2
    If with a locator with SCHAR, then it sucks.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 March 2021 15: 02
      +5
      Our Air Force is all waiting for the creation of photon radars.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 March 2021 17: 22
        0
        then how "zhahnut"!
  11. Thrifty
    Thrifty 12 March 2021 14: 42
    +1
    The word "batch" is used even if we are talking about a piece sample! They need to be made en masse, instead of the Mig 29 of earlier versions, and with AFAR it is obligatory, otherwise the car will be uncompetitive even in the domestic market, and you can even forget about the external one.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 15 March 2021 08: 42
      0
      The hell is he needed when there are more normal Su-35s.
  12. sledak
    sledak 12 March 2021 15: 32
    +7
    Regarding the radar from an official source from the manufacturer.
    The main advantages of the MiG-35 fighter:
    Reduced radar signature
    Quadruple redundancy across all control channels
    Next generation avionics: Radar with AFAR, optical location station, helmet-mounted target designation and indication system
    Modern information and control field of the cab with a high level of automation. etc.

    https://migavia.ru/index.php/ru/produktsiya/novejshij-istrebitel-mig-35
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 12 March 2021 17: 21
      +3
      There are 2 pieces of OLS .... the second "down" smrtrit ...... analogue of the sighting container.
  13. bars1
    bars1 12 March 2021 16: 41
    -6
    That
    Quote: sledak
    Avionics of a new generation: radar with AFAR, optical location station, helmet-mounted target designation and indication system

    The radar station is now with SHAR (shame!). The NSTI even for the Su-57 cannot yet be brought to mind, where is it for the MiG-35 ...
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 12 March 2021 17: 22
      +4
      Without AFAR, it is now possible to sell only in videoconferencing.
  14. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 March 2021 17: 20
    +1
    This is an event for MiG! Such an aircraft could completely "cover" the needs of the Aerospace Forces in Syria.
  15. Fitter65
    Fitter65 12 March 2021 17: 34
    -3
    In total, the state armaments program provides for the purchase of 2027 serial MiG-24 fighters by 35.
    Two squadrons and it is not a fact that they will be armed. By 2027, OKB MIG will no longer be in the light of the latest decisions of one very zealous furniture maker.
  16. bars1
    bars1 12 March 2021 17: 44
    -12%
    MiG-35s were delivered under a contract not concluded with the Army-2018. The contract provides for the supply of 6 aircraft until 2023. I hope that more contracts for the production of this misunderstanding for the RF Aerospace Forces will not follow!
  17. bars1
    bars1 12 March 2021 18: 00
    -7
    Quote: bars1
    I hope that more contracts for the production of this misunderstanding for the RF Aerospace Forces will not follow!

    In 2019. Tarasenko expressed hope for a new contract for several dozen MiG-35s, but it did not grow together ... And this is for the best!
  18. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 12 March 2021 19: 26
    +1
    To Syria them and for a long time. There let them ride on the barmaley and their curators.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 13 March 2021 22: 58
      -2
      There let them ride on the barmaley and their curators.
      and create collateral damage, after the application of the next "high-precision" in the urban sector ..., and then again work on restoration and humanitarian convoys, with the military police !?
  19. Azimuth
    Azimuth 13 March 2021 01: 25
    +2
    Good news.
    The dominance of heavy fighters was initially a wrong practice, but apparently there was no other way out. The order for 24 MiG-35S fighters is certainly small, but it is possible that the order will be gradually increased.

    Much has been written about the AFAR radar. A phased antenna array is nothing new to us, after all, we were the first in the world to install an on-board radar with a phased array on a serial fighter. There is no radar with AFAR on both the Su-30SM and the Su-35S, but in the meantime, these machines go into service and none of the MiG-35S critics is outraged about this.

    For skeptics.
    First, there is no need for fantasies, the MiG-35S is significantly cheaper than the Su-35S in purchase.
    Secondly, the cost of operation is also lower, that is, the MiG-35S will cost us cheaper, and not the whole war, there are a lot of routine operations in peacetime, and only does not count the money.
    Thirdly, many innovations related to its maintenance have been implemented in the MiG-35S, this has reduced the number of technical personnel (man-hours per hour of flight) and facilitated its work.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 13 March 2021 09: 19
      +1
      They criticize. But the PFAR is very close to the AFAR in terms of possibilities + the power industry on the Su35S is large ...
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 15 March 2021 08: 52
      0
      And where did you get the idea that it is wrong?

      On the Su-30SM there is a product originally from the 90s, no one calls it modern, if it were not for the failures in deliveries in the 90s and early 2000s, then no one would simply adapt the outdated Su-30MKI.

      AFAR, although it gives extra. functional, but the energy can not be fooled, and the "Irbis" has it gorgeous.

      The presence of the MiG-35 does not cover the need for long-range interceptors simply in any way, but the Su-35 may well fulfill the tasks of the MiG-35, even if the flight is more expensive.

      The cheapness of the MiG-35 is imaginary, since they need more pilots and more infrastructure, since air bases should be located more densely, more often refuellers may be required.

      The MiG-35 in the RF Air Force can either stand in an air defense facility in the European part of Russia, or perform the tasks of a light bomber.
  20. Seriomilander
    Seriomilander 13 March 2021 07: 42
    0
    It turns out that the MiG-35 is already 10 units:
    2 Experienced
    2 pre-production
    6 serial

  21. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 13 March 2021 08: 33
    0
    Most likely, the purchase of this batch of Mig 35 is a message to foreign customers about the readiness to sell the moment for export.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 13 March 2021 09: 17
      +1
      Most likely ....... to some kind of Hindu tender.
      1. CommanderDIVA
        CommanderDIVA 13 March 2021 15: 04
        0
        It seems to me that we have lost the Indian market in this area, the Americans and the French will squeeze the Indians, but Algeria, Venezuela, Vietnam, some CIS countries are a possible sales market moment 35
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 13 March 2021 15: 22
          0
          Is not a fact. Indians grumble about prices .....
  22. Intruder
    Intruder 13 March 2021 22: 54
    -1
    It has nine external suspension points and a built-in 30-mm cannon, the armament includes air-to-air missiles of various ranges, air-to-surface missiles, corrected aerial bombs, unguided missiles and aerial bombs of up to 500 kg caliber.
    forgot to add about 2-4 UAVs ... laughing wink , now in almost every news about them !?
  23. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 13 March 2021 23: 06
    -1
    Question: is it AFAR or PFAR ??? If it's great with AFAR. I'm a big fan of light fighters. An aircraft with PFAR is a very often flying target, against an aircraft with AFAR. Especially in the conditions of electronic warfare. It is proved when the Thai (EMNIP), Grippens (and NOT the E Grippens) smashed to smithereens the Chinese Dryers in 2015 (Falcon Strike Maneuvers). Super-maneuverability did not help (Grippen is also very maneuverable, Cobra and Grippen and Rafal do). I'm a big fan of light single engine fighters. If only because one engine is cheaper than two. There is no need to synchronize them, and one engine haws less than two fuel. And the reliability is proven by Mirages, and F16, and Grippen, and Wiggen i A7, Crusaders F8, if they fought, it was NOT because of the engine. If skyhooks A4 got lost, it was because it was used as an attack aircraft, but WITHOUT booking. ... If you make a normal engine, then you do not need to put two "for reliability". And AMRAAM doesn't care how many engines you have, on most planes they are so close that they will cut both of them with shrapnel.

    So, there is such a concept: Cost / efficiency. According to this indicator, F16 with AFAR is much superior to F15 with the same AFAR. Well, yes, F15 can carry more bombs. But if an hour of the F16 operating cost is exactly TWO times cheaper than an hour of the F15 operating cost, then it makes sense to buy TWO F16 instead of one F15. Or, to be honest, 5 Ф16 instead of 3 Ф15.

    Let's compare the "light" MiG-35 with its foreign competitors. Flu, F16block 52 and above, F18E super hornet and J-10. We will not be with Rafal and Typhoon, these are not light fighters, although, to be honest, you also need to compare them with them. Everyone has AFAR. Perhaps Mig35 and more maneuverable than them. But in modern combat, avionics are more important. Maneuverability, as well as speed (especially speed with afterburner) are secondary. Why is speed secondary? Because the British Lightning from the 70s-80s flew faster than the Typhoon. And F4 Phantom flies as fast as F15, but not 10 or 20 years have passed. If you needed speed, they would do it. And so they focused on super cruise - that is, supersonic speed without afterburner. With the afterburner, the same swing 2.4 as the Phantom, British Lightning, and Mig23. So, if the Miga 35 avionics are inferior to the avionics of its competitors, then this is not an air superiority fighter, and not a front-line fighter, but a whipping boy. I do not argue. Against planes from the 90s, the MiG-35 would tax everyone in the minus. Excellent PFAR + excellent maneuverability = drawing an asterisk on the Mig .. But it was not the F35A, or the F15S, or the Mirage 16 or the Tornado, but F2000Blok 16, F72X, F15, Grippen, Rafal, Typhoon, J35, Super Hornet and probably with Mitsubishi F10 (F2 Agile falcon, but there is also AFAR). So there are problems in electronics. AFAR is better against electronic warfare, so Grippen or F16Blok 16 will see the Mig before noticing them for a moment. This is followed by the launch of AMRAAms or there Meteor. It can't fire its rockets for a moment. We can talk about super-maneuverability. I agree, I read that MIG can withstand 72G overload. ... If so, then this is an outstanding result. AMRAAM and Sidewinder X withstand 11G. But whether the PILOT will withstand these overloads is questionable. By the way, it is also interesting how reliable all-aspect rotary nozzles are. I am NOT saying that they are bad, but they have not been tested in a combat situation.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 13 March 2021 23: 41
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      Quote: Baron Pardus
      I'm a big fan of light fighters.

      The MiG-35 is by no means a light fighter, it is in the Hornet, Rafal, Typhoon class. Really light Gripen, J-10, F-16. They are noticeably lighter than those indicated earlier, have one engine, and tend to be more percussion in terms of tasks. Super Hornet, F-15, Su-27/30/35 are already heavy fighters. I think this is more correct.
      I also prefer light fighters, Gripen in my favorites, the plane of the soldiers, and the special forces.
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      Or, to be honest, 5 Ф16 instead of 3 Ф15.

      The MiG-29/35 is 27% cheaper than the Su-35/30, i.e. instead of 7 Su-35s, you can buy 10 MiG-35s. So-so savings, given the enormous difference in capabilities.
      1. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 14 March 2021 00: 00
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        The question here is not only the price of one fighter, but the cost of its operation. The operating hour of F16 is TWO times cheaper than the operating hour of F15. The same indicator for Grippen is almost two times lower than that of F16. For a couple of years of operation, a NICKY amount is accumulated. By the way, a couple of years ago, at one training exercise, one flu-pen C came out against THREE F15, knocked down two of them, the third escaped. And I never found information on these MiGs are AFARs or not? Do they have nozzles with controlled thrust vectors or not? Mig35 is still lightweight. Carries less ammunition than Rafal and Super Hornet. Two engines do not make a fighter heavy or medium. If you remember, F5E had two engines. He did not become heavy from this. There was 3 engine on Mirage 1. He did not become easy either.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 14 March 2021 00: 09
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          Quote: Baron Pardus
          The question here is not only the price of one fighter, but the cost of its operation. The operating hour of F16 is TWO times cheaper than the operating hour of F15

          I agree 100% The only problem is that there is no difference in the operating price between the mig-29/35 and the su-27/30/35.
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          And I never found information on these MiGs are AFARs or not? Do they have nozzles with controlled thrust vectors or not?

          UHT seems to be there, but they do not care, they do not give real benefit.
          There is zero information about the radar, if the AFAR was blown to the whole world, so it looks more like the PFAR. But it is not exactly.
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 14 March 2021 00: 13
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          Quote: Baron Pardus
          By the way, a couple of years ago, at one training exercise, one flu-pen C came out against THREE F15, knocked down two of them, the third escaped.

          I do not believe in these stories. There are practically no officially confirmed results, and not the official information is different for everyone.
          I trust in real results and verified videos:


          The results of the dogfight and the video itself are somehow very different from the fairy tales spread on the RuNet.
          1. Baron pardus
            Baron pardus 14 March 2021 00: 23
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            About how the Grippenns weighed the zvizdyuly to Dryers can be read absolutely documented. https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/flankers-vs-gripens-what-happened-at-the-falcon-strike-2015-exercise/
            About how the same Swedish Grippens hung the F16 of the Norwegian Air Force with a score of 5: 0, also in the open press, there is. Well, about F15 in the same place. The Americans later said that Grippen had a "home advantage", that is, Grippen was in a more advantageous situation because over Sweden. How aerodynamics over Sweden differs from that over Alabama or Wisconsin, I don't know :-)
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 15 March 2021 08: 54
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        How did the 9 tonnes of the latest F-16s become less than the 9 tonnes of the Rafale? And the J-10 is probably heavier. It's not even funny about the engine, the F-35 is single-engine, but certainly not lightweight.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 15 March 2021 09: 06
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      At a higher speed, the energy of the rocket being launched is greater, it is simply impossible to keep the afterburner for a long time, while the growth of the maximum speed is much higher than 2400-2500 requires cooling.

      With overloaded missiles, it’s not funny how much such a maneuver in energy would cost, and where it would then fly.

      J-10 is generally a misunderstanding, even NG is not seriously considered "grippin", Rafale as an air fighter can turn in turns, but this is an F-35 at minimum salaries.

      There is no need to talk about the wonderful electronic warfare from AFAR, the energy cannot be fooled. As well as tactics. In terms of energy, PFAR seems to be even somewhat better.
  24. Azimuth
    Azimuth 14 March 2021 02: 57
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    Quote: Baron Pardus
    .....
    So, there is such a concept: Cost / efficiency. According to this indicator, F16 with AFAR is much superior to F15 with the same AFAR. Well, yes, F15 can carry more bombs. But if an hour of the F16 operating cost is exactly TWO times cheaper than an hour of the F15 operating cost, then it makes sense to buy TWO F16 instead of one F15. Or, to be honest, 5 Ф16 instead of 3 Ф15.
    Your logic is strange. Praising the lightweight F-16s are opposed to the lightweight MiG-35S, although the economy is even more profitable when compared to the MiG-35S and the Su-35S.

    You sing an ode to single-engine fighters. The point is not in the number of engines, but in their characteristics, roughly power and, accordingly, the thrust, power-to-weight ratio of the aircraft. TWO engines are always better than one, this is always another chance for both the pilot and the car, and, by the way, for you and me walking the earth. It's elementary, without war - one engine fails, and thanks to the second, the fighter won't fall on the city, or the pilot won't have to sacrifice himself to save those below.

    For example, I also advocate for a single-engine fighter, even simpler than the JAS-39, but for different piichin. I regard it as a purely export vehicle and a fighter for our allies in the same CSTO. It is too expensive to supply heavy Su-27SM / -30SM / -35S to a number of countries like Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, Tajikistan and even Belarus. We can support our own production and our allies with simpler fighters, you need to understand that loans issued to these countries will never be returned. But due to the supply of single-engine fighters to our allies, the machines will have good export potential and it will be easier to advance.

    The MiG-35S and its development should be in service with us in much larger quantities, for example, in the direction of Central Asia, Transcaucasia, and partly Ukraine. Should cover large industrial cities and regions.
  25. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 14 March 2021 13: 10
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    One regiment is not complete ... Two squadrons. And right up to 2027 ... Not enough. My opinion. I do not impose. We need to learn to sell old MiGs to poor countries as it was under the USSR and as the United States is doing now.
  26. Azimuth
    Azimuth 15 March 2021 13: 33
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    Quote: EvilLion
    ... The presence of the MiG-35 does not cover the need for long-range interceptors simply in any way, but the Su-35 may well fulfill the task of the MiG-35, even if the flight is more expensive.

    The cheapness of the MiG-35 is imaginary, since they need more pilots and more infrastructure, since air bases should be located more densely, more often refuellers may be required.

    The MiG-35 in the RF Air Force can either stand in an air defense facility in the European part of Russia, or perform the tasks of a light bomber.
    Logic like "what's the point in the Su-35S, because you can upgrade the MiG-31 ...". The number of airfields and airbases cannot be reduced in any way, because the time for takeoff and interception is identical for both fighters, and that is why a developed airfield network is needed, without this in any way. Fighters are not constantly in the air, but are on duty on the ground.
    In the configuration for interception and tracking, the time spent in the air for the MiG-35S and due to the increased fuel supply, and, if necessary, PTB, plus lower fuel consumption is not inferior to those of Western classmates and is not so inferior to the Su-35S to speak of no alternative this fighter.
    There are always fewer heavy fighters in the air forces of large countries, the ratio is 1/2, 1/3 with light ones.
    Note, for example, our strategists most of their flights along the borders of European NATO countries are accompanied by F-16 fighters, less often the Typhoon, none of them is inferior to the MiG-35S. Air defense of the same USA is, first of all, also F-16, look at the ratio of these machines to the heavy F-15 and F-22.
    Think why the United States keeps its production, albeit mostly at the expense of export supplies, where contracts are fought at all levels? Because they are not oslopitheks and understand that this fighter is cheaper not only in peacetime, but also in wartime, it needs fewer resources to make up for losses or increase its number, less material and human resources are needed for its operation, and war for the economies of opponents is fight for attrition.
    And realizing that our MiG-35S, being not only light and inexpensive to manufacture and operate a fighter, but also has excellent performance characteristics and can often confidently compete with the Su-35S and its foreign counterparts, it is just a CRIME delays associated with its testing, ordering and production ... This is a matter of national security and this is not an ordinary product where the undercover struggle of manufacturers is permissible, MiGs should be twice as many in service as Sushki, they want everything in Sukhoi, then it was necessary to develop their own light fighter, since they had a single-engine project.
    Drying plants produce two plants and at least two should produce MiGs, or as an alternative and what we can afford at most, one assigned to a specific design bureau, and one where both types would be produced (Irkut).
    Instead of the story with the Su-34 on the Irkut, it would be more correct to deploy the production of additional MiG-35S there after the native RSK MiG plant.