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"Better than the Leopard tanks of our army": Readers of the Polish press discussing Russian T-90AM

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Eight tanks T-90AM "Proryv" entered service with a motorized rifle brigade in Moscow, belonging to the Western Military District. The new tank was equipped with an improved tower module and armed with a 125-mm cannon, which allows the use of a new type of ammunition, which has a higher efficiency in comparison with its predecessors.


A message about this and a video showing the tanks delivered to the military unit appeared on the official VKontakte page of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

The Polish edition of Defense 24 drew attention to this information, the readers of which began to vigorously discuss it in the comments. Many of them were interested in what exactly the new Russian armored vehicles were equipped with, skeptically assessing the capabilities of the Russian military industry.

I wonder what radio stations these T90AMs have, is it really "Made in China"?

- asks one of the readers.

Does anyone know what this cylindrical turret on the tower is? This is equipment for overcoming water obstacles or a manifestation of sympathy for Tolkien, the author of the novel "The Two Towers."

- another sneers.

There are also fantastic suggestions from readers of the Polish press:

What is it on the tower? It looks like a laser machine.

And one of the readers, who signed as "Richard 56", comparing the T-90 with the Leopard tank in service with the Polish army, concluded in favor of Russian armored vehicles.

They are better than the Leopards in our army.

- he said.

In terms of their characteristics, they clearly surpass what our military has.

Discussion unfolded about the purpose of the tanks that appeared in the Russian Armed Forces.

Poland is not going to attack Russia, so it does not need such a difficult weapons... It turns out that Russia has such plans for its neighbors?

- suggested a user registered under the name rED.

Poland does not have the right to vote. The Pentagon decides everything for us.

- another reader answered him.

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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 12 March 2021 10: 13
    +28
    Great tank good It is a pity that there are few of them in service and do not take part in the "biathlon" ...
    1. venik
      venik 12 March 2021 10: 37
      +16
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Excellent tank good It's a pity that there are few of them in service

      =========
      Down and Out trouble started! There will be more further.
      --------
      Quote: Hunter 2
      and do not take part in "biathlon" ...

      =========
      "Biathlon" was originally conceived as a competition in skill crews (where everyone was at of equal conditions) and not technology. But gradually it is transforming: some countries already prefer their own models .... So, it is possible that "Breakthrough" will soon be seen at biathlon ......
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 12 March 2021 10: 37
      +17
      The Polish edition of Defense 24 drew attention to this information, the readers of which began to vigorously discuss it in the comments. Many of them were interested in what exactly the new Russian armored vehicles were equipped with, skeptically assessing the capabilities of the Russian military industry.


      Only 10 pieces (so far) in the West Military District and such a storm ...

      And they have not yet seen the tank in full "body kit" (option). If they see, they will generally fall into a stupor.



      Quote: Hunter 2
      An excellent tank It's a pity that there are few of them in service and they don't take part in the "biathlon" ...


      This is for now. The T-90 has every chance of becoming a mass model of weapons, displacing the T-72 in this field.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 12 March 2021 11: 10
        +7
        Firstly, more than 10) this third panti was recently. Secondly, it will not displace 72. B3 more than 1200 units are already in service. Just a gradual replacement with a plan for decades ahead.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 12 March 2021 11: 18
          +5
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Secondly, it will not displace 72. B3 more than 1200 units are already in service.

          Will push out, over time. I did not write that - "now" or "just about", but not as you think, but much faster. One has only to "warm up" the industry and ...

          Quote: carstorm 11
          Just a gradual replacement with a plan for decades ahead.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 12 March 2021 13: 07
            +3
            These are slightly different events) the replacement is planned. Displacement is essentially arbitrary) and most importantly, 90 buildings are much less than 72 initially, which is also important)
            1. Sofa batyr
              Sofa batyr 12 March 2021 17: 05
              +5
              Quote: carstorm 11
              the most important thing is that 90 buildings are much less than 72 initially, which is also important

              But the T-72 was once considered units, tens, hundreds, and finally - tens of thousands.
              Quote: carstorm 11
              B3 more than 1200 pieces are already in service
          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman 13 March 2021 10: 34
            +1
            and yet no). never supersede. 72 buildings are an order of magnitude more, and they will not make new ones in such quantity. Unless if only a war.
            p. from. Well, and the Poles - as always, it is stupid to expect adequacy from them.
            But by the way, their leopard 2pl with new crowbars dm63 is very painful. I don't think the t90m will survive.
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 12 March 2021 11: 17
        +12
        Finally, what the tankers had asked for a long time went into the Army: a panorama from the commander, a big-eyed commander's cupola, a machine gun (12mm caliber) controlled from inside the tank. And the equipment for accounting for barrel bending is clearly not superfluous.
      3. Machito
        Machito 12 March 2021 11: 41
        +9
        It looks like the Poles have begun to guess about something.
      4. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 12 March 2021 12: 02
        0
        displacing the T-72 in this field.

        it's all about the economy. just on the T-72B3M, a 110-mm boron carbide panel is placed in the side
        the equivalent of which is 880-mm + side armor of 80-mm + DZ Relic equivalent to 600-mm
        We get armor resistance sideways 1560 mm
        And if the thread arrives at least at an angle of 75 degrees. = 2028 mm SIDE
        There are no such ATGMs yet (!)
        1. mvg
          mvg 12 March 2021 14: 00
          +6
          2028 mm SIDE

          Lord, we have fools in Russia, © "Peculiarities of the National Hunt" has been stored for 100 years ahead ... Lord ... wassat
          1. alexvmar
            alexvmar 13 March 2021 10: 02
            +1
            The word "equivalent" did not catch your eye?
            1. mvg
              mvg 13 March 2021 15: 31
              +1
              "equivalent"

              All are measured in "homogeneous equivalent", while indicating the type of ammunition, BOPS, OFS or cumulative. Only what this Romario draws, from time to time, is a rare utter nonsense. Once in Murzilka I read an article by some scumbag, then repeat it on the resources. It hurts your hearing.
              PS: Here are the military that are narrow-minded, they do not know the miraculous properties rejuvenating carbide of something there. Yes crowbar pofik what to break through. Like armor steel, like depleted uranium, or glass wool. There, the difference is tens of percent, but not many times. How the T-72 burns can be seen in the conflicts in Iraq and Syria. Now in Karabakh. Initially, the forehead of the T-72 was in the region of 450 mm against the BOPS. If you do not break (damage) the scrap, then the same amount will remain.
              The best western MBTs have an equivalent of 1100-1200 mm of homogeneity, against BOPS, against cumulative, slightly higher. There are beautiful drawings, color, Leopard, Challenger and Abrams. The T-90A Vladimir is included in the appendage.
      5. HOMUT1430
        HOMUT1430 15 March 2021 11: 23
        0
        You can still stir up the inscription-to Warsaw! There will be a squeal!
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel April 12 2021 00: 41
          0
          Aha! And in brackets (4th section of Poland)
    3. Maz
      Maz 12 March 2021 11: 59
      +3
      "And sho son, did you Poles help you?" Gogol N.V. "Taras Bulba"
    4. Maz
      Maz 12 March 2021 12: 13
      +16
      When the last Russian dies
      All the rivers will turn back.
      Conscience, honor and feelings will disappear,
      And the stars don't shine anymore
      When the last Russian dies
      When the Russian spirit disappears
      The whole planet will become empty
      And the World will suddenly become colorless.
      The Russian soldier will not protect
      A foreign weak country
      And he will write Hell on the living lists:
      Judas, devils and Satan.
      When the Russian Spirit fades
      And the Russian land will sink into oblivion,
      Replace vodka with schnapps and whiskey
      Matza - replaces the loaf.
      And finally the Anglo-Saxons
      Have their bloody feast
      The ruble will die, and the euro bucks
      All souls will buy up the whole world.
      But evil thoughts will not come true,
      Do not turn the rivers back
      Though their faces are distorted -
      Russia cannot be trampled into the dust of oblivion.
      Russia will heal all wounds
      Crimea and the eye will pass a hundred times,
      Let everyone know that Russian is eternal
      And the Russian Spirit is indestructible!

      Vlad Seletsky (the site did not print out some of the quatrains) read the full text.
  2. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 12 March 2021 10: 16
    +43
    The chatter of the Polish inhabitants about the T-90 does not represent any constructive thought.
    It is noteworthy that the statement of only 1 (one) Polish expert Richard56 that the T-90 is better than the Polish Leopards stretches in the article like an owl on a globe with a catchy and effective headline: "Better than the Leopard tanks of our army."
    Many people read the news by headlines, because it seems that this gives a certain message that, indeed, the T-90 is better than the Leopards.
    It would be even clear if we compared the specific performance characteristics and the facts of the use of these tanks in battles.
    And so - the gentlemen chatted among themselves and parted ...
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 12 March 2021 11: 12
      +10
      Comparing performance characteristics is stupid even for Poles. Comparison of any equipment without conditions of interaction with other equipment and branches of the armed forces is in itself stupidity. These are not racing cars, but military equipment.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 12 March 2021 11: 19
      +8
      These are the trends in VO lately. From a sufficient number of comments are selected Necessary and on them the heading, and sometimes the whole article, is built. Moreover, when the reviews are favorable, then the original source does not hate, but if the reviews are negative, then the site (publication) is immediately hung with labels: garbage can, trash can, and so on.
      Alas, there is less and less useful information on the site ...
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 12 March 2021 13: 41
      -3
      Quote: mojohed2012
      It would be even clear if we compared the specific performance characteristics and the facts of the use of these tanks in battles.
      And so - the gentlemen chatted among themselves and parted ...

      Well, how are we here on VO ...
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 March 2021 10: 18
    +3
    They are better than the Leopards of our army .... Poland has no right to vote. The Pentagon decides everything for us.
    The most adequate comments. And about the Russian attack on Poland, this is how the Poles and the Balts are trying to talk about it, knowing perfectly well that no one is going to attack them first. This is how sick people live and earn.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 12 March 2021 10: 28
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      This is how sick people live and earn.

      Not sick, but perfectly healthy careerists.
      You can't build a career without solid Russophobia in the gayrope ...
    2. Your stranger
      Your stranger 12 March 2021 10: 33
      -4
      Afraid of the Gdansk or Bialystok People's Republic
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 12 March 2021 10: 54
        +5
        Quote: Stranger
        Afraid of the Gdansk or Bialystok People's Republic

        I would still think what about the Bialystok, or Lublin folk, and some other, but Gdansk-Danzig, there are no other chances, in this case, except to move to the motherland - it has no No. request
        1. Your stranger
          Your stranger 12 March 2021 11: 09
          -7
          If Frau Ribentrop is promised a place on the board of directors of, for example, Rosneft, then she will bless the Dresden People's Republic
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 12 March 2021 11: 55
          +2
          In Danzig, the rights of national and sexual minorities are being infringed.
          Why is the progressive community and our human rights defenders silent?
          The Danzig sufferers have earned their independent state.
          The bloody Polish tyrant - I don't know his name - must go.
          1. nikon7717
            nikon7717 12 March 2021 12: 40
            +3
            My eldest daughter recently said that the European Union is going to impose sanctions against Poland because they are against the spread of LGBT people on their territory and do not support all these "minorities" who are depraved. She said after this message she is ready to respect the Poles! Not everything is lost with them winked
          2. mole
            mole 12 March 2021 12: 45
            +2
            Quote: Pereira
            In Danzig, the rights of national and sexual minorities are being infringed.
            Why is the progressive community and our human rights defenders silent?
            The Danzig sufferers have earned their independent state.
            The bloody Polish tyrant - I don't know his name - must go.

            I subscribe to your concern (concern is popular today). I support every minority on the planet.
            They have the right to exist, to fight for their rights and any expression of their thoughts, but only outside my homeland!
            Polish tyrant (previously repeatedly exhumed the remains of the former, by hook or by crook trying to pull the birch on the course of the plane) - for a count!
            wink wassat
          3. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 12 March 2021 13: 01
            +1
            Poles, no matter how we treat them, nevertheless, for the most part, are extremely intolerant of sexual minorities. Duda was elected president for a second term under the slogan of protecting traditional Catholic values ​​and the family. But there are also exceptions. Relevant polls and studies were carried out. More tolerant attitude towards minorities in Warsaw from the former Russian possessions, Krakow from the former Austrian ones. And, oddly enough, the most tolerant attitude is precisely in the territories that used to be German. What a shame, the bulk of Polish Ukrainians and Belarusians now live on these lands of the Baltic coast. Hope they are set up fine.)
        3. nikon7717
          nikon7717 12 March 2021 12: 46
          0
          There are still chances back to ancient Prussia. And this is Kaliningrad. They cut off Danzig, taking into account the fact that other lands in the west were taken. It was Stalin, out of the kindness of his heart, agreed to cut off a piece from Prussia, and not to pour into the RSFSR as a single region. Could, and in general, after the Second World War insist on the return of the borders of the Russian Empire before the revolution, then Poland would have been part of the USSR.
          1. No name B
            No name B 12 March 2021 19: 14
            -3
            With what fright the Polish / Slavic city of Gdansk suddenly became Danzig, just because the Germans captured it, so Lviv was also Polish for 200 years, only the indigenous population is both Poles and Ukrainians.
            1. nikon7717
              nikon7717 12 March 2021 20: 43
              +2
              Danzig, as it were, always strived to be not a part of Poland, but in general as a free city. He was previously in the Hanseatic League. And from 1793 on the second section of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth became part of Prussia. Then, with the formation of a unified Germany, it became a part of Germany. As part of which he remained until the end of the 1st World War. So Gdansk has never been purely Polish. Officially, before the revolution, the bilingual city was
              1. No name B
                No name B 14 March 2021 13: 37
                -2
                Well, half of Poland can be considered Germany and Silesia and Pomerania, and from the border of Poland to Berlin 100 km ... And that Kaliningrad should be given to the Germans as Prussia ...
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 12 March 2021 10: 23
    +1
    "Better than the Leopard tanks of our army": Readers of the Polish press discussing Russian T-90AM
    Wow, a discussion! So this is useful.
    And here is the statement that everything is decided somewhere out there, beyond the okey, how did they like it?
    1. cniza
      cniza 12 March 2021 11: 58
      +2
      They know that their policies are controlled and controlled by the United States ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 March 2021 12: 12
        0
        That does not soar all this helluva lot ... bread and circuses !!! here is the purpose of life, not so rare if you look closely.
        1. cniza
          cniza 12 March 2021 12: 38
          +1
          There is such a misfortune, the main thing is not to touch him, but this is for now. and when they come for him it will be too late ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 March 2021 12: 55
            0
            Many do not think for tomorrow, and only later ... beyond their perception.
            Again the ostrich, again the head is in the well.
            1. cniza
              cniza 12 March 2021 13: 09
              +2
              And yet the Poles suspect something, but they are very afraid to admit it to themselves.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 March 2021 13: 28
                +1
                Inflate me, I'm glad to be deceived!
                For many, this is simply convenient ... they are such cunning guys that they are deceivers, they can convince you that you also owe them!
                1. cniza
                  cniza 12 March 2021 13: 32
                  +1
                  But they understand that as a result of deception, nothing good awaits them ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 12 March 2021 13: 49
                    +1
                    Why think about sad things ... they know better to eat "giraffe or duda" yes
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 12 March 2021 16: 37
                      +2
                      So they will lead them into the abyss, and they themselves will run away ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 12 March 2021 17: 25
                        0
                        The Polish pipe and other things, you won't have to run .... their voter, they have support.
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 12 March 2021 17: 42
                        +2
                        Well then, let them take offense at themselves ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 12 March 2021 18: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: cniza
                        Well then, let them take offense at themselves ...

                        Exactly, exactly, they themselves and will disentangle themselves, once again. They have NO friends around them, and the audience would rather gloat than help.
  • Cananecat
    Cananecat 12 March 2021 10: 30
    +3
    Does anyone know what this cylindrical turret on the tower is? This is equipment for overcoming water obstacles or a manifestation of sympathy for Tolkien, the author of the novel "The Two Towers."

    No damn, we have Russians, it's called a "birdhouse". Spring is already, we are preparing for the arrival of birds. )))
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 12 March 2021 10: 42
      +3
      In vain you are trying to mislead them smile They already guessed that the Eye of Sauron will be there ... so small ... that it will give +100 in all stats ...
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 12 March 2021 11: 57
      +2
      How did the Poles not guess? It's a dovecote. For carrier pigeons. Due to the sanctions, there is no radio communication in Russia for a long time.
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 12 March 2021 10: 37
    +3
    Poland does not have the right to vote. The Pentagon decides everything for us.

    the only sane comment
    1. Constanty
      Constanty 12 March 2021 15: 58
      +1
      Admittedly not the only sane (not all are listed here), but painfully true actually
  • novel66
    novel66 12 March 2021 10: 53
    +5
    armed with a 125mm cannon

    I hesitate to ask, but what was it before?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 12 March 2021 11: 29
      +1
      Quote: novel xnumx
      I hesitate to ask, but what was it before?

      a clumsy hint of a new cannon with a bp of increased length
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 12 March 2021 13: 08
        +2
        Quote: Flood
        a clumsy hint of a new cannon with a bp of increased length

        if anyone does not understand, the shells for the new 2A82 cannon are 900mm long
        accordingly, the new ammunition has higher characteristics
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 12 March 2021 11: 58
      +3
      It used to be 127, because they cleaned it with crushed brick.
      1. novel66
        novel66 12 March 2021 14: 02
        +3
        It used to be 127, because they cleaned it with crushed brick.

        laughing good
  • Diviz
    Diviz 12 March 2021 10: 55
    +1
    What is the difference between AM and MC.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 12 March 2021 11: 30
      0
      Quote: DiViZ
      What is the difference between AM and MC.

      while there is one option
      for simplicity referred to as T-90M
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 12 March 2021 13: 44
        0
        Quote: Flood
        Quote: DiViZ
        What is the difference between AM and MC.

        while there is one option
        for simplicity referred to as T-90M

        Probably, some of them is an export version, like the "Leopard-2"
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 12 March 2021 11: 53
      +2
      MS is a modification for export.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 12 March 2021 11: 14
    -1
    Now all you have to do is wear the owners.
  • BIABIA
    BIABIA 12 March 2021 11: 22
    -1
    "What is that protruding on the tower? It looks like a laser installation."

    This is a hyperboloid of engineer Garin) Fear has big eyes)))
  • kit88
    kit88 12 March 2021 11: 35
    +6
    Nobody compares either the Germans, or the Britons, or the French, or the Finns, and this is more necessary than anyone else. Do you have a desire to fight or what?
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 12 March 2021 13: 07
    +3
    A kind of provincialism prevails on Eastern European political and military sites. The outlook of users is very limited, the conclusions are often naive. I don’t know why, but, in my opinion, in comparison with other Eastern and Southern Europeans, the Bulgarian visitors of this kind of sites have a wider outlook, and the interests of many extend beyond the problems of Bulgaria and the Balkans. Although I am quite possibly wrong. I don’t know any languages, I use electronic translators, so I don’t grasp the depth of thoughts of Polish, Czech, Romanian commentators.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 12 March 2021 13: 09
    0
    Poland is not going to attack Russia, so it does not need such a sophisticated weapon. It turns out that Russia has such plans for its neighbors?
    Russia is not going to attack anyone (it can only take its own, illegally torn away in 91). But with neighbors like Poland, gunpowder should always be kept dry.
  • iouris
    iouris 12 March 2021 13: 16
    0
    Is the kremplin better than Conan Doyle or worse?
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 12 March 2021 13: 53
    +4
    Eight tanks
    T-90AM "Breakthrough"
    entered service with a motorized rifle brigade in Moscow, belonging to the Western Military District.

    This is most likely meant by the 27th Sevastopol MRBR. (district "Mosrengen", "courtier", which is part of the 1st TA), according to the VIKI, she is armed with tb - 41 t-90A tanks, you can see them and change them to more advanced T-90 AM "Breakthrough".
    I do not know any other formations or units that have tanks and are in Moscow ...
  • maiman61
    maiman61 12 March 2021 15: 52
    -4
    What the hell is this, this Poland? Is it further than Zimbabwe or closer?
  • Constanty
    Constanty 12 March 2021 15: 55
    +2
    The T-90AM is one of the best tanks in service today.
    Therefore, I am not surprised by the voices of those more serious compatriots who rate it higher than Leopard 2.
    And the ignorant and "hurapatriots" would not be serious about their voices.

    Currently, there are only 115 relatively modern Leopard 2A5 tanks in Poland, for which a batch of DM-63 ammunition has also been purchased.
    Thanks to the L55 cannon and this ammunition, this is the T-90AM's only serious opponent. However, this is already an old tank and, in my opinion, is inferior to the "Breakthrough".

    Leopardy 2A4 tanks, even after upgrading to the 2PL level and PT-91 tanks, can hardly compete with the T-72B3M - a serious problem is obsolete and ineffective ammunition for the PT-91, and sometimes 120-mm ammunition that is dangerous for crews. , manufactured by the Polish plant Mesko.

    I will not mention the T-72M1 or the T-72M1R. It is a shame and scandalous that these tanks, devoid of real combat value, remain in service.
    1. K150
      K150 12 March 2021 20: 45
      0
      2a5 doesn't have l55. L55 only with 2a6. You don't even have l2 on Leo 55pl because of the price. And l44 is no longer particularly.
  • Nadrub
    Nadrub 12 March 2021 21: 50
    -1
    Ten more tanks and forward to Poland! :)
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 13 March 2021 09: 12
    0
    A beautiful tank with excellent TTX, it is a pity that there are not enough of them yet. Something is not heard by our "liberals", it's time to scream about the poor old men and women and the size of their pensions, which were determined by the liberals themselves. Although the military budget, despite all the efforts of the Ministry of Defense, they cut.
  • martin-159
    martin-159 13 March 2021 09: 25
    +3
    Quote: maiman61
    What the hell is this, this Poland? Is it further than Zimbabwe or closer?

    I don’t know about Poland, but we are getting closer to Zimbabwe.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 13 March 2021 11: 59
    -1
    No, bad tank. This is another modernization of the completely obsolete T-72. The engine is from a thirty-four, oak electronics, the shells that are not powerful are short ... And the caliber is rather weak. Russia needs a completely new tank. But there are no industrial, scientific or economic opportunities.
    1. TerraSandera
      TerraSandera 13 March 2021 12: 49
      +1
      Shit straight from all the trunks. Oh, sorry, "parties". The new 90 is quite a good tank. It remains only to find out how much it will cost for bulk orders. But there is a problem, they will not exist yet, both for economic reasons and for logical reasons. 72ki and others are in large enough quantities. And the priority now is clearly not on tanks, for all the armies of the world. Yes, they are needed and have to be reckoned with. But the days of tank armada are over. Therefore, while t72 is a workhorse, it will not finally come out, no large orders for Am, as well as for the usual 90, should be expected.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 13 March 2021 12: 59
        0
        Aren't you afraid to celebrate the centenary with this workhorse? There is a very serious risk of again falling into the situation of the Crimean War or even the Japanese one. Then, too, there was a lot of noise about the enormous military power of the country. But in fact ... One can recall also June 22, which very clearly showed the complete failure of the entire Soviet military machine.
        1. TerraSandera
          TerraSandera 13 March 2021 22: 29
          0
          Insolvency? You greatly belittle the merits of the Wehrmacht. A mobilized military machine, which took equal countries and coalitions in terms of military power in a month and even weeks and days. But she was wrong. It happens to everyone.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 14 March 2021 15: 27
            0
            The Soviet army in summer 41 and spring 45 are completely different armies that do not have any continuity. And the summer one suffered an absolute defeat. Because its leaders were doing bullshit like a deep operation when Germany came up with the blitzkrieg.
            1. TerraSandera
              TerraSandera 14 March 2021 16: 53
              0
              If the army suffered an absolute defeat, then why are we not living in great Germany now?
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 14 March 2021 17: 41
                0
                Only the first, summer army suffered an absolute defeat. Usually this meant the surrender of the country, but this is exactly what the USSR differed from other powers - it had enough time and energy to create an army of a new model right during the war - it was this new army that took Berlin and reached the Elbe.
                1. TerraSandera
                  TerraSandera 14 March 2021 19: 24
                  +1
                  There it is, as it happens, a blitzkrieg, a complete victory over the first army, then a second one grows up, and regardless of the losses of materiel and people after the retreat, it turns into a completely different one, and piles on the blitzkiggers. This is the story.
                  1. Basarev
                    Basarev 14 March 2021 21: 25
                    0
                    Indeed. This is precisely the karmic power of Russia (the USSR is only one of the stages of Russian history) - not to fall from the first splash even from the most powerful opponents, and then deliver a crushing counterattack. In principle, it is impossible to defeat Russia by an external military invasion.
  • TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 13 March 2021 12: 41
    +1
    There is a good tank and a periscope. Like a submarine almost
  • Kunica
    Kunica 13 March 2021 13: 23
    +2
    The most important of this article is that Poland is not going to attack Russia. F-f-u-u-u.
  • health
    health 14 March 2021 02: 10
    0
    ".... what is this cylindrical turret on the tower?"
    oh, gentlemen, you'd better never find out about this. sleep well.
  • Pardus
    Pardus 14 March 2021 13: 17
    +2
    sneers another

    Poles are just jealous of us. They simply do not and will not have such equipment as ours. yes
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 16 March 2021 00: 23
    0
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    will arrive


    In your words ...
    And what if the Israeli seven-winged or Java falls from above?
  • Varaga
    Varaga 17 March 2021 12: 49
    0
    skeptical about the capabilities of the Russian military industry.

    And this is "skeptically assessed" by those who never had their own tank building, do not, and most likely will not, but they themselves use the German Leopard.
  • Dimon Dimonov_2
    Dimon Dimonov_2 April 9 2021 20: 45
    0
    The Poles have already prepared for the last time to divide Poland !?
  • Gueuze Ulenspiegel
    Gueuze Ulenspiegel 8 May 2021 13: 40
    0
    Well, the Poles can discuss it. And we already know THIS well.