Active air defense module Rheinmetall Skyranger 30

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Active air defense module Rheinmetall Skyranger 30

In recent years, the topic of combating small-sized air targets - high-precision weapons or unmanned aerial vehicles. Rheinmetall Air Defense offers a new prototype to meet these challenges. Developed a universal combat module Skyranger 30, suitable for the construction of self-propelled anti-aircraft guns on different chassis.

New development


The presentation of the Rheinmetall Skyranger 30 module took place on March 3 and was held online. Representatives of the developer company announced the reasons for the emergence of the new project, indicated its goals and advantages, and also published several images of a promising product.



The developers of the complex note that recent conflicts show the presence of new challenges for air defense. Western European armies, incl. The Bundeswehr, abandoned self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery and with it lost part of their combat capabilities. A recent study showed that the German army without decommissioned Gepard ZSU cannot effectively counter the UAV threat characteristic of modern conflicts. All this became the reason for the development of a new project.


The Skyranger 30 module is being developed by the Swiss branch of Rheinmetall (formerly Oerlikon Contraves). As a basis for this project, they took the old Skyranger 35 anti-aircraft system with different weapons and characteristics. Some of the existing units were replaced, and new systems were introduced. The result is a new module with improved characteristics, capable of effectively combating all current threats.

Currently, design work is underway on some of the module's components. By the middle of 2021, it is planned to conduct the first firing from an experimental KCE cannon. The fully equipped combat module will be sent for testing before the end of the year, and within a few months after that, full-fledged fire tests will begin.

After testing and fine-tuning, the development company plans to suspend the project. To save time and money, preparation for the series will begin only if the order for the modules is received. Upon signing the contract, Rheinmetall Air Defense will be ready to launch production and manufacture serial Skyranger 30s as soon as possible.

Technical features


The Skyranger 30 product is a turret with cannon armament and electronic equipment, designed for mounting on a carrier vehicle. The tower is uninhabited; operator stations are located inside the chassis. At the same time, a hatch is provided in the tower, and an operator's workplace can be installed inside. The total weight of the product is up to 2,5 tons. For comparison, the Skyranger 35 tower weighed at least 4 tons.


The module body is assembled from armor plates providing level 2 protection according to the STANAG 4569 standard. It is possible to install additional modules that increase protection up to level 4. All internal units, the gun barrel and retractable optical devices are covered with armor.

The module's main weapon is the Rheinmetall KCE 30mm automatic revolving cannon, a lightweight and modernized version of the old Oerlikon KCA product. The rate of fire is 1000 rds / min. and a range of fire up to 3 km. For the KCE cannon, a new programmer was created, installed on the muzzle. It is smaller and has improved performance. The weapon is placed on a stabilized installation with electric drives. All-round firing with elevation angles up to 85 ° is possible.

The anti-aircraft self-propelled gun must use shots of a standard size of 30x173 mm with a fragmentation projectile and a programmable fuse. The projectile has a warhead weighing 200 g and carries 160 cylindrical tungsten striking elements. Such ammunition has already been put into service and is used by German armored vehicles equipped with a Rheinmetall Mauser MK30-2 / AVM cannon. Tests and practice have confirmed the high performance of these shots.


Muzzle device with programmer

In the basic configuration, the additional armament of the module consists of only two ROSY (Rapid Obscuring System) smoke grenade launchers on the front. Block ammunition - 9 grenades. The possibility of mounting a coaxial machine gun of one model or another is declared. In addition, space is provided at the left side for a retractable launcher for two anti-aircraft missiles.

The task of detecting air targets is assigned to the small-sized Rheinmetall AMMR (AESA Multi-Mission Radar) S-band radar. It includes five small active phased array antennas. Two are mounted on the front of the turret, two more are placed on the sides and one is at the stern. The detection range of small-sized air targets reaches 20 km. At the request of the customer, it is possible to use an additional radar with suitable characteristics.

A support with an optical-electronic station FIRST (Fast InfraRed Search and Track) is installed in the aft part of the tower. Its task is to review the airspace, detect targets and issue target designation to other means of the complex. To aim the gun at the target, an OES of the TREO type is used. It has high-resolution day and night cameras and two laser rangefinders for air and ground targets.

Data from all electronic and optical means are fed to the fire control system. It provides weapon guidance to a target, data generation for a programmable fuse, etc. The operator has the opportunity to observe the operation of the automation and make adjustments. Probably, the LMS is integrated with communications that provide external target designation and work in a battery or battalion.

Possible prospects


The development company plans to test a new combat module, but mass production will be prepared only after receiving orders. There is every reason to believe that she will have to do this in the very near future. The Skyranger 30 project in its current form may be of interest to different customers, and Rheinmetall has a chance for contracts.


Tower forehead with AFAR AMMR and ROSY block

The new project offers a comprehensive solution to the urgent problem of protection against UAVs. At the same time, it is envisaged to use ready-made or advanced components capable of providing high operational and combat characteristics at a reasonable cost. In addition, the Skyranger 30 has no special carrier requirements and can be used with a wide range of chassis. All these factors expand the circle of potential buyers.

The proposed set of detection tools is of great interest. Unlike other ZSUs, the Skyranger 30 system should have an AFAR kit that provides obvious benefits. There are also optoelectronic devices that allow observation without unmasking oneself with radiation. It is very likely that the set of radars and OES is indeed capable of detecting small-sized UAVs with sufficient probability and providing accurate weapon guidance.

The Rheinmetall KCE gun and additional assets should provide ample combat capabilities. So, the programmer and the controlled fuse of a 30-mm projectile make it possible to effectively attack air and ground targets. Undermining is carried out at a minimum distance from the target, and a large number of GGE increases the likelihood of defeat. According to the developers of the project, during the tests, only one such element was able to destroy a commercial-type target drone - it pierced the body, optical device and battery, causing a fire.


Missile launcher

It should be noted that the prospects of the Skyranger 30 project depend not only on the technical features of the module itself. Interest from potential customers can be stimulated by the specifics of recent conflicts. The wars in Syria, Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh have shown what a danger UAVs of different classes pose and how important the means to combat such a threat are. Rheinmetall is presenting its new project in fact in the wake of the recent showcase events.

Near future


This year, the first tests are to be carried out, which will show the real characteristics and capabilities of individual elements of the complex. Then their integration will be completed, and next year Rheinmetall will be able to show both the fully equipped combat module and its main capabilities. In addition, you can expect certain improvements, incl. with the expansion of the range of tasks to be solved.

Obviously, the market will react to the appearance of such a combat module with at least great interest. In addition, it should be expected that in the near future other manufacturers of weapons and equipment will offer their versions of anti-aircraft systems to protect against UAVs. What place will Skyranger 30 occupy on the market and what will its struggle with competitors be - time will tell.
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  1. -1
    12 March 2021 18: 09
    Not a bad thing, the carnation sau chassis should support the weight of the module.
    1. +4
      12 March 2021 19: 00
      Which country are you talking about?
      1. -1
        12 March 2021 19: 06
        carnations were made in Poland and Bulgaria,
        Plus Romania, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia,
        Many Eastern European countries will be interested in
  2. -8
    12 March 2021 18: 12
    Developed a universal combat module Skyranger 30, suitable for the construction of self-propelled anti-aircraft guns on different chassis.
    It is suitable, it is suitable ... and it will remain effective as it gets dirty, worn out, mechanisms, the quality of ammunition, weather conditions and the rest.
    Obviously, a burst from a cannon, cheaper than a rocket, but still ...
    1. +7
      12 March 2021 18: 40
      so any weapon depends on many factors, even the thorns of the heroes' clubs fell off. laughing Only now I wonder why the striking elements are made of expensive tungsten, the drones are not armored at all, it seems that steel elements are enough. Well, or change ammunition.
      1. +7
        12 March 2021 18: 43
        Quote: Free Wind
        Only now I wonder why the striking elements made of expensive tungsten,

        The video is told. Simplified to create an efficient shard cloud.
        1. +4
          12 March 2021 19: 16
          Not patriotic, of course, but the installation is cool, it's a pity that they won't sell us because of the sanctions.
          1. +1
            12 March 2021 19: 21
            So we can do it ourselves. There is nothing supernatural there. Here is the project of the 37-mm ZSU Yenisei. Shilka won the competition.
            1. +2
              12 March 2021 19: 24
              Do you think Shilka can successfully shoot down drones? Why then did the Armenians in Karabakh find themselves defenseless against drones?
              1. 0
                12 March 2021 19: 40
                Air defense is not a lifesaver from everything flying. It is necessary to promptly modernize it, adequately to the threats. The Armenians thought that 2016 would repeat itself, but the scenario was more difficult. Azerbaijan identified and drowned out the Armenian air defense with electronic warfare, overloaded with quantity, after the destruction of the echeloned air defense, the hunt for everything moving began. Azerbaijan outplayed tactically and technically, the Armenians were unable to wage the war actively, advancing and striking the rear of the army. Any defense, if not attacking, loses.

                As for Shilka, India and Israel modernized it quite well, quite adequately to modern threats.
                They installed modern phased array radars, which have higher performance in detecting various air targets.
                A module with television and thermal imaging cameras, as well as a laser rangefinder, appeared next to the antenna. The equipment allows you to destroy the enemy in stealth mode.
                Additional missile armament was also planned, but at the moment there are no such weapons on the machines in service.

                1. +2
                  13 March 2021 00: 44
                  There is no programmable detonation of shells - an important function specifically against drones.
                  1. +1
                    13 March 2021 08: 35
                    Quote: Avior
                    No programmable detonation of shells is an important function against drones.

                    Director of JSC "STC ELINS" in an interview with the magazine "National Defense" says that there is: "Another novelty is a system of programmable remote detonation of shells of calibers 23, 30 and 57 mm. "
                    https://oborona.ru/includes/periodics/exhibitions/2020/0922/114030102/print.shtml
                    23 mm - means suitable for "Shilka".
                    1. +4
                      13 March 2021 13: 05
                      Director of JSC "STC ELINS" in an interview with the magazine "National Defense" says that there is: "Another novelty is a system of programmable remote detonation of shells of calibers 23, 30 and 57 mm."
                      https://oborona.ru/includes/periodics/exhibitions/2020/0922/114030102/print.shtml
                      23 mm - means suitable for "Shilka".


                      About what the director of JSC "STC ELINS" says in 2020, they have been talking in ROSTEKH for the last 15-20 years, but things are still there. And ammunition with trajectory detonation (fuse without a chemical power source) for AP, including those in 20mm caliber, has long been mass-produced in the USA, Germany, South Caucasus, etc.
                    2. +1
                      14 March 2021 21: 17
                      Quote: Thomas N.
                      The director of JSC "STC ELINS" in an interview with the magazine "National Defense" says that there is: "Another novelty is a system of programmable remote detonation of shells of calibers 23

                      Let it not zvizdit, not that 23, even 30mm and we do not have a trace. Even 57mm and then not yet, only in development.
                      One 30mm projectile with dist. blasting, costs from 3000 to 5000 dollars, and this is in countries that have no problems with microelectronics and sanctions, and the production of such shells was established decades ago.
                      And then, no one there suffers from insanity, and in 25mm shells dist. undermining does not shove.
                      And then, some storyteller, declares that he has a remote detonation right up to 23mm.
                      Lies, zvizhezh, and a heinous provocation! am
                      1. +1
                        15 March 2021 07: 51
                        So Tikmenov says that "under construction", read this link.
                        Regarding remote detonation of ammunition of 25 mm caliber and less, here are just the first 3 links issued by Google:
                        https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2011/gunmissile/Thursday11790_Gloude.pdf
                        https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Programmable-air-bust-munition-PABM-developed-by-Micromechatonics-25-mm-caliber_fig11_322163500
                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airburst_round
                        Tell me about a hundred source where this cost data came from: "One 30mm projectile with distant detonation costs from $ 3000 to $ 5000"
                      2. 0
                        15 March 2021 11: 50
                        Quote: Thomas N.
                        where does this cost data come from:

                        From the Internet, obviously wassat They took the cost of the contract for the supply of shells, and believed - according to the cut, it turned out that for some reason the Germans had AHEAD the most expensive, even though they bought it in rather large quantities for the Puma.
                        Regarding remote detonation of ammunition of 25 mm caliber and less
                        No i don't deny technical opportunities, and in the portfolio of most manufacturers that produce shells with dist. detonation, there are 25-27mm shells (even 20mm, in fact, there are).
                        It's just categorically ineffective, and no one in their right mind will order them.
                        It's just a technology demonstrator.
                      3. -1
                        15 March 2021 11: 57
                        Quote: psiho117
                        there are also 25-27mm shells (even 20mm, in fact).
                        It's just that it's totally ineffective.

                        I think it makes sense to bring the 37mm cannon back to the air defense. Its power is several times more than 30 mm, but the rate of fire can be kept the same. 57 mm is redundant and insufficient at the same time.

                        37 mm ZSU Yenisei.
                      4. 0
                        15 March 2021 12: 00
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        I think it makes sense to bring the 37mm cannon back to air defense

                        Duc 37mm Soviet - this is Boforsovsky 40mm, initially. There, in the process of release, of course, differences accumulated, but in fact it is the same good old 40mm Bofors, which still remains one of the most popular calibers in the world.
                2. 0
                  13 March 2021 07: 52
                  What modern aerial targets can this "shilka" work for? The range and height of the 23mm cannons are small ...
                  1. +1
                    13 March 2021 14: 56
                    What modern aerial targets can this "shilka" work for?


                    If the chassis has a motor resource and "adequate" costs for upgrading [weapons systems (drives, ammunition, etc.), detection, communication and navigation], "Shilka" can still be limited in scope (since it has a short firing range) to perform the air defense function of the near zone (penultimate line) of transport and stationary objects.
              2. +3
                12 March 2021 21: 43
                Why then did the Armenians in Karabakh find themselves defenseless against drones?
                Their hands are growing from the wrong place
            2. +1
              15 March 2021 16: 38
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              So we can do it ourselves.

              Yes, for a long time we can not ... AFAR, MSA, programmable ammunition-all just talk and projects.
      2. +2
        13 March 2021 11: 30
        Quote: Free Wind
        Only now it is interesting, why are the striking elements made of expensive tungsten, the drones are not armored at all, it seems that steel elements are enough.


        Tungsten balls in comparison with steel (of the same volume) have a higher kinetic energy.
    2. +1
      12 March 2021 20: 39
      Does the Carapace have the same cannons or are they diamond ones? This gun has a great feature: the programmer and the corresponding ammunition. And Oerlikon have always made excellent anti-aircraft guns.
    3. -1
      14 March 2021 22: 06
      The culture of servicing technology must be up to par.
      Nobody will keep the same Shell in the mud.
  3. +4
    12 March 2021 18: 13
    Direct analogue, going into service:


    Leonardo offers different weapons, the module is much lighter. For Reinmet's 4 tons, another base needs to be picked up.

    In general, for military air defense, the optimal solution is: radar, OLS, BIUS, 30 mm autocannon with guided detonation, various missiles and UAVs. All this can work not only by air, but also by land. Support combat vehicles.

    A variant from Rheinmetal on a 35 mm autocannon and a Turkish counterpart in Libya.

    1. +5
      12 March 2021 18: 50
      Rheinmetall offers a 2,5 ton module. This previous Skyrandger 35 weighed 4 tons.
      1. -2
        12 March 2021 18: 59
        Thanks for the amendment! It's still a bit too much, you can't put it on a light chassis.
        1. -1
          15 March 2021 16: 48
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          Thanks for the amendment! It's still a bit too much, you can't put it on a light chassis.

          It looks like 500 kg will be too much for you ... you can't put on a bicycle ...
        2. 0
          16 March 2021 06: 16
          Combat module "Bakhcha". Weight is about 4 tons.
          Placed on the chassis of the BMP-2, BMP-3, BMD-3, BTR "Rostok" and other similar in terms of carrying capacity.
          The BMP-3 can still have additional screens and DZ (reactive armor) for an additional 4 tons.
          -------------------
          Carrying capacity, area and volume allow, therefore, can be supplied.
  4. +7
    12 March 2021 18: 21
    This is what Derivation does not have! The programmer on the trunk!
    Therefore, this system will be exported and successful. And the Russian army will have a defective derivation. With laser programming system. But not capable of real air defense against drones!
    And the question is that the caliber is still excellent. But the realization of the last century!
    1. +2
      12 March 2021 20: 48
      Well, we do not know how to make programmers on trunks! what can you do ?? or do not consider it necessary. With the programmer, the consumption of the BC will definitely be less
      1. +4
        12 March 2021 21: 22
        The question is, what about the inferiority of programming by a laser beam, the developers knew!
        But the level of electronics did not allow to cram it even into the 45th caliber!
        57 is basically ideal in terms of power and efficiency.
        But instead of working out a normal system, the developers are trying to shake off the army a priori flawed non-working system!
        And if the ballistics of the gun allows you to drive drones over 4500+ meters. That binding buries it all.
    2. -2
      12 March 2021 21: 29
      Quote: dgonni
      And the Russian army will have a defective derivation. With laser programming system. But not capable of real air defense against drones!

      You said something indistinct.
      Does Derivation have undermining control? Laser - and what else do you want?
      1. +3
        12 March 2021 21: 46
        In short! At Erlikon-Rheinmetal! The trunk is strapped programmer!
        Shot with an electrocapsule! At the exit of the projectile from the barrel, the system knows the initial velocity of EACH projectile and programs it to detonate at the desired point of the trajectory!
        In this case, the system has a separate radar as part of the battery! Which, of course, we were not told in the article. And also each vehicle has an optical guidance and tracking system!
        This is what Derivation does not have!
        Opto Vizier? Stop! Determination of the parameters of a projectile launched by a laser and subsequent programming? Nonsense!
        Over this, both the Americans and the French with the Deutsches had their brains.
        This principle does not provide stability and efficiency when shooting in bad weather conditions, smoke and fog with high humidity!
        Although I will note! The 57mm caliber is more versatile and allows drones to be driven above 4500 meters.
        With a normal programmer, you can tear the shells over the trench. And for the destruction of a typical modern drone 2x shells with a stock. Well, if you have a radar essno!
        Against kamikaze drones? Great question! For diving ammunition is not easy to shoot down. Even in spite of the energy of the projectile.
        This is where the rate of fire is needed!
        1. 0
          12 March 2021 21: 51
          Quote: dgonni
          Determination of the parameters of a projectile launched by a laser and subsequent programming? Nonsense!

          The laser is the most accurate measure of range and speed - and you say the opposite. And you don't need to program anything - just a command at the right time.
          1. +9
            12 March 2021 23: 09
            Well, here's a grassroots fog or rain or something else, how will the laser projectile be programmed ??
            1. -1
              13 March 2021 01: 52
              Quote: Klingon
              Well, here's a grassroots fog or rain or something else, how will the laser projectile be programmed ??

              10 km is not a problem. Water has areas of spectral transparency.
              And UAVs also do not fly in bad weather.
              1. 0
                13 March 2021 14: 03
                Yeah it was smooth on paper .....
            2. 0
              13 March 2021 07: 26
              NNZ there the laser measures the speed of the projectile when it leaves the barrel and programs the detonation.
              The same as that of the Germans, only simpler and more accurate. can be measured at a distance greater than the length of the barrel.
              https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201503291027-casm.htm
          2. -3
            12 March 2021 23: 55
            Well, the fact of the matter is that if it is necessary to create a cloud of fragments by detonating several shells, then how will the teams proceed after the formation of a plasma cloud due to the detonation of the first shell, plus a radar to support this shell is needed to accurately detonate the shell
            1. +2
              13 March 2021 02: 05
              Quote: Grognag
              Well, the point is that if you need to create a cloud of fragments by detonating several shells

              You will not create a cloud, since the times of flight of the target and the intervals of the burst of projectiles will be very different - i.e. you need to shoot at a new place on the movement of a target that approaches or flies away from the previous gap ...
              .
              Quote: Grognag
              plus, to accurately detonate the projectile, you need a radar to support this projectile

              Not a radar, but an OLS (optical LAN), which includes lasers (illumination, rangefinder). On the radar, it makes sense to move at ranges of more than 10 km.
              1. 0
                13 March 2021 14: 02
                How strong is it? What rate of fire does this gun have, like the t 35-85 4 rounds per minute? , what if 2 cannons or a battery are firing and all are on the same target?
            2. +1
              13 March 2021 08: 59
              Quote: Grognag
              Well, the fact of the matter is that if you need to create a cloud of debris by detonating several shells, then how will the teams go after the formation of a plasma cloud due to the detonation of the first shell, plus a radar to support this shell is needed to accurately detonate the shell

              Projectile explosions cannot interfere with the transmission of commands, because the explosions are near the target, and the projectile programming takes place next to the cannon. To detonate a projectile at a given range, the radar tracking this projectile also need not... Read the above link https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201503291027-casm.htm:
              “When the projectile flies 50 meters away, the first code message is sent, after another 20 meters - the second, and so on. The projectile has a scheme for receiving and processing this information. If these messages coincide, the projectile perceives this information and a temporary detonation scheme is triggered. Thus, the projectile reaches the target and explodes at the right time ... ”, - says the designer. Those. laser programming occurs at a distance of several tens of meters from the gun.
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    3. +2
      13 March 2021 07: 54
      Derivation does not have a radar. What and how she will be able to detect at night during snowfall, rain, fog, smoke from fires ...
  5. -9
    12 March 2021 18: 24
    Compared to Armor, there are both pros and cons. Programmable ammunition is definitely a plus, but only 2 missiles are where the Shells are at war. they would have been knocked out instantly. All destroyed Carapaces were destroyed when the missiles were reloaded or depleted. And here there are only two
    1. +1
      12 March 2021 18: 34
      With Carapace, there are completely different classes. This is a direct analogue of Tunguska, with the same tasks.
      You need to remove the guns from the Shell and increase the number of missiles, as in the arctic. It is already in the short-medium-range air defense class.

      Military air defense of the near zone on Tunguska, modernize the radar, OLS and BIUS, add the ability to work with guided detonation projectiles, it is possible to update the missiles.
      1. mvg
        0
        12 March 2021 20: 40
        the ability to work with guided detonation projectiles,

        We only had programmable ammunition last year ... and then we went for testing. The troops are not coming soon. Accordingly, similar systems will appear even later, in 5-7 years.
      2. -1
        13 March 2021 09: 50
        30mm assault rifles would be exchanged for something larger than 37-45mm, albeit with one barrel.
      3. +1
        13 March 2021 10: 34
        I agree for Tunguska. But there is one small but. Our microelectronics does not allow us to create a programmable projectile in such a caliber!
    2. +2
      12 March 2021 18: 38
      In the combat scenario you described, not a small number of missiles are to blame, but a small number of armored combat vehicles and poor organization of mutual cover. That is, it is easier to say that it is not necessary to have many missiles on one AFV, it is more efficient to have several AFVs protecting each other at the time of reloading.
      1. -2
        12 March 2021 18: 47
        Cover, yes, in all cases did not work. But 2 missiles are generally an attack of ONE target, this is nothing at all, then they must be driven in groups of 20 in a heap, and this is already a good target for Point-y, which they will not shoot down in any way
        1. 0
          13 March 2021 09: 14
          Quote: Cowbra
          Cover, yes, in all cases did not work. But 2 missiles are generally an attack of ONE target, this is nothing at all, then they must be driven in groups of 20 in a heap, and this is already a good target for Point-y, which they will not shoot down in any way

          It seems that during the discussion everyone has already forgotten why this anti-aircraft gun is being proposed. artillery complex: "A recent study has shown that the German army without decommissioned ZSU Gepard can not effectively resist the threat UAV, typical for modern conflicts. "SAM for Skyranger 30 is just an option:" In addition, the port side provides space for a retractable launcher for two anti-aircraft missiles. "For self-defense from helicopters / attack aircraft, the main weapon is a 30-mm cannon.
          1. -1
            13 March 2021 11: 42
            No, it's just that THEY have forgotten that the enemy will not attack the "anti-aircraft artillery complex" exclusively by UAVs, and only single ones. This means that it is not viable.
            1. +1
              13 March 2021 12: 59
              Quote: Cowbra
              No, it's just that THEY have forgotten that the enemy will not attack the "anti-aircraft artillery complex" exclusively by UAVs, and only single ones. This means that it is not viable.

              Precisely because the enemy can attack not only UAVs, it is possible to include 30 missiles in the Skyranger 2 for self-defense from attack helicopters, as already mentioned above. And from a simultaneous attack not single kamikaze UAVs, especially from different directions, single The air defense complex will not protect any cannon shells with GGE and proximity detonation, or missiles, no matter how many of them there are on its installation. Therefore, any single ZAK / ZRK / ZRAK in the conditions of mass use of drones should not fight, but an air defense system should be used, which can include any vehicles (ZAK, ZRK, BMPT, BMP, BTR) armed with automatic cannons and even machine guns, under control of the general distributed control system of the tactical level, performing target distribution and target designation. For use in such an air defense system in order to protect "everyone by everyone", and not just yourself, Skyranger 30 is very viable!
              1. -1
                13 March 2021 13: 17
                Quote: Thomas N.
                under the control of a common distributed tactical control system

                ... what role this apparatus cannot assume. Those. and so - not needed. Once again, a pair of Armor will cover each other at the very least, a pair of such in Syria will lie in the first attack. And only effective against drones from Aliexpress
                1. +1
                  13 March 2021 13: 59
                  Quote: Cowbra
                  Quote: Thomas N.
                  under the control of a common distributed tactical control system

                  ... what role this apparatus cannot assume. Those. and so - not needed. Once again, a pair of Armor will cover each other at the very least, a pair of such in Syria will lie in the first attack. And only effective against drones from Aliexpress

                  What is the role of management? Of course it cannot, because it plays the role of a means of fire, and not a means of control. It is not necessary to fight in a pair - it is necessary as part of a unit that covers air defense, protection of "all by all" as already mentioned. Your option for the destruction of UAVs only with the help of missiles?
                  1. +1
                    13 March 2021 14: 40
                    Our option is that in real combat conditions such ZRAK will face massive attacks, in which they are helpless targets, because they are not even able to cover each other. The only area of ​​application is single attacks of kamikaze UAVs or quadcopters. Two drones from four kilometers. - guaranteed to demolish this dregs with simple bombs. Ie the system is not needed nafig. To protect the base perimeter as part of a multilayer air defense, they absolutely do not need a chassis, for example. And missiles too, there are multi-layered
    3. 0
      12 March 2021 21: 51
      And why waste a rocket if the barrel forms cones of fragments on the way of the drone!
      That is why the Shells were knocked out!
      The cannons do not hit the meok drone at typical ranges. And missiles cannot capture a target due to their low thermal signature.
      1. +1
        13 March 2021 01: 18
        Yeah, "small" drones with a wingspan of 12m, and much slower than the CD, but the CD knocks down the shell, but there is no "small" drone ... In general, you wrote complete nonsense
        1. -2
          13 March 2021 10: 44
          But precisely because the carrier drone barges at altitudes of 4500-5000 meters within the limits of the shell's work, and for the destruction of these it uses ATGMs and gliding ammunition with a range of up to 8 km. The shell can neither reach the carrier nor effectively destroy the ammunition it uses!
      2. 0
        14 March 2021 10: 31
        And missiles cannot capture a target due to their low thermal signature.

        You would have wondered how Shell's missiles are guided before writing such nonsense.
  6. -3
    12 March 2021 19: 27
    Cool, but one drawback - the module is very highly specialized. You cannot buy it and hide from tactical aviation, airborne flights and UAVs. Lack of normal missiles at a range of 15 + km. Two stingers are nothing. From a marketing point of view, it will be difficult to offer for this reason, the buyer will not cover all the needs with one complex.
    1. 0
      13 March 2021 06: 43
      Two stingers are nothing.

      There is an option not 2, but, for example, 60.
      The open architecture of the Rheinmetall Skyranger 30 complex allows it to be interfaced with other systems.
      Rheinmetall AG has chosen the SkyKnight anti-aircraft missile from the United Arab Emirates to provide the missile component of this Skyranger 30 air defense system.
      See IDEX 2021.
      Firing range (6-10?) Km, vertical start, the ability to fire multiple targets at the same time.
      The photo shows a container version (60 missiles). It can work autonomously, its own OLS.
      After 1-2 years, they will saw the version on a wheeled chassis, with 20-30 vertical launch missiles.
      But it looks like not only SAMs.

      1. 0
        16 March 2021 22: 25
        Well, what are we talking about. Buy one, two, three. You propose to combine a mobile complex with a stationary container. Or carry it on a trailer? Will not work. Imagine, I will sell you a car with three wheels, and the fourth you can buy whatever you want, completely open architecture!
        1. 0
          17 March 2021 08: 56
          Well, what are we talking about. Buy one, two, three. You propose to combine a mobile complex with a stationary container. Or carry it on a trailer? Will not work.


          I am not suggesting to combine something with something.
          The container is an option for air defense of stationary objects, given that they also have a stationary artillery module, a control module and a laser module. But the same container can also stand on a car and be part of automobile convoys and provide cover for them.
          They have a separate control vehicle (on the same chassis as the artillery module). And I suppose that as a supplement to the mobile artillery vehicle, they will have an independent mobile missile vehicle (vertical launch missiles) (on the same chassis as the artillery module), and then, quite possibly, a mobile laser complex.

          Imagine, I will sell you a car with three wheels, and the fourth you can buy whatever you want, completely open architecture!

          I cannot imagine that I am going to buy a car from you, because I have very nice cars.
          And about open architecture and a car with different wheels, each person has his own concepts. A situation arises and you have to put what is.
  7. -2
    12 March 2021 21: 44
    how much is this 3d cinema on "harp" ???
  8. 0
    13 March 2021 00: 14
    But what about all the talk about the insufficient effectiveness of 30mm ammunition with GGE and programmed detonation?
    1. +1
      13 March 2021 09: 32
      Quote: alexmach
      But what about all the talk about the insufficient effectiveness of 30mm ammunition with GGE and programmed detonation?

      And this is just talk smile
  9. -2
    13 March 2021 08: 02
    Quote: alexmach
    But what about all the talk about the insufficient effectiveness of 30mm ammunition with GGE and programmed detonation?


    And talk about the insufficient effectiveness of 30mm ammunition with GGE go only in the Russian Federation, tk. In the Russian army, there are no ammunition with shrapnel-fragmentation (fragmentation-beam) projectiles with axial, radial or radial-axial expansion of the GGE and programmable detonation on the trajectory in the ammunition of automatic guns.
    All this has already passed, tk. know they are not effective, but they have not been seen or compared.
    And a little about myths and other things in Russia on:
    "Strike Simonov in the face with a crutch ..." - https://mayday.rocks/simonovu-udar-kostylyom-pryamo-v-litso/
    "The last patron" - https://mayday.rocks/poslednij-patron/
  10. 0
    13 March 2021 09: 26
    Given the presence of Rheinmetall and more powerful guns, it is possible to make the system more powerful. 30mm, apparently, so that the module could be installed on everything.
    1. 0
      13 March 2021 09: 39
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Given the presence of Rheinmetall and more powerful guns, it is possible to make the system more powerful. 30mm, apparently, so that the module could be installed on everything.

      Already done - Skyrandger 35. This is in the previous comments.
      1. +1
        13 March 2021 09: 48
        30mm is good, but for anti-aircraft guns it is already weak in range. UAVs are already flying at 4-5-6000 km.
        1. +1
          13 March 2021 10: 29
          Quote: Zaurbek
          30mm is good, but for anti-aircraft guns it is already weak in range. UAVs are already flying at 4-5-6000 km.

          6000 km is the radius of our planet Earth. Are you talking about satellites? And what is also a UAV smile
    2. 0
      14 March 2021 21: 48
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Given the presence of Rheinmetall and more powerful guns, it is possible to make the system more powerful.

      Just a 30mm projectile with dist. blasting, and produced from 35mm by reverse engineering.
      They have the same unified (for 35mm, 30mm guns and 40mm grenade launcher) programmable fuse Oerlikon AHEAD.
  11. 0
    13 March 2021 10: 23
    The anti-aircraft self-propelled gun must use shots of a standard size of 30x173 mm with a fragmentation projectile and a programmable fuse. The projectile has warhead weighing 200 g and carries 160 cylindrical striking elements made of tungsten.

    The projectile (unguided) is the "warhead", there is nothing else in it (the fuse is also part of the warhead). The mass of this (PMC308, RWM Schweiz AG) projectile is 360 g (not 200), 201 g is the total mass of the GGE, of which there are 162 pieces in the projectile body. by 1,24 g.
  12. 0
    13 March 2021 10: 44
    Quote: Intruder
    and the geometry limitation of 30 mm., how can you get around to create a given density of the fragmentation flow in space, create new laws and unknown super-nano-materials, or "place" the volumes of the GGE into the subspace !? laughing wink , and then this "wondrous thing" in the geometry of 30 mm. projectile, or rather its warhead, which is just its segmentary part !? winked


    The answer to your comment is given in the article.
    The anti-aircraft self-propelled gun must use shots of a standard size of 30x173 mm with a fragmentation projectile and a programmable fuse. The projectile has a warhead weighing 200 g and carries 160 cylindrical tungsten striking elements. Such ammunition has already been adopted and used by German armored vehicles equipped with a Rheinmetall Mauser MK30-2 / AVM cannon. Tests and practice have confirmed the high performance of these shots.


    And that these 160 cylindrical tungsten alloy striking elements are delivered to the required lead point of the trajectory along which the target is moving. And we must also take into account the fact that portioned feeding is carried out, i.e. the required number of shots required to hit an air target. Taking into account the fact that the process of hitting the target is controlled, i.e. visual (everything is visible on the monitor screen).

    Comparison of 30x173mm with GGE and 30x165mm with OFS s (CDC) is a comparison of rifle bullet cartridges with shot ones. Everyone is good in their segment. But in the air defense segment, for solving problems in which the Skyranger 30 was created, the shot is more preferable, i.e. fragmentation beam with axial flow of GGE and trajectory blasting.
    When creating a 30-mm ammunition, the developers considered it expedient to use striking elements weighing 1,24 g with a diameter of 4,65 mm. The projectile contains 162 striking elements, which are stacked in 6 rows of 27 elements in each row. Shot length - 290 mm, shot weight - 830 g, projectile length - 173 mm, projectile weight - 360 g, mass of ready-made striking elements - 201 g.
    Cm. Teeth. MSTU. http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/rarn_airburst.htm).
    And there are no super-nano-materials and technologies here, everything is produced in rather large volumes and costs 200g no more than 1000 rubles.
    1. 0
      14 March 2021 21: 59
      Quote: DDZ57
      there are no super-nano-materials and technologies here, everything is produced in rather large volumes and costs 200g no more than 1000 rubles.

      Nope. 30mm Erlikonovsky for "Puma", cost about 5000 dollars - it was off. infa with purchases.
      Other manufacturers also offer not much cheaper, three to four thousand dollars per shell.
      1. 0
        15 March 2021 06: 04
        Nope. 30mm Erlikonovsky for "Puma", cost about 5000 dollars - it was off. infa with purchases.
        Other manufacturers also offer not much cheaper, three to four thousand dollars per shell.


        For a projectile or for a shot?
        I have 1000 rubles. for 200g - this is only the cost of 200g of GGE made of tungsten alloy, but I could be wrong, because the price of these alloys ranges from 5000r to ....
        1. 0
          15 March 2021 11: 56
          Quote: DDZ57
          For a projectile or for a shot

          For a shell. But there must have been some accompanying bells and whistles, otherwise it is very expensive, especially since the Germans bought their AHEAD quite massively.
          I have 1000 rubles. for 200g - this is only the cost of 200g GGE
          It is also necessary to take into account the cost of processing - this is a very refractory metal, there is special. arc furnaces are needed for it, with a huge consumption of electricity.
          1. 0
            15 March 2021 16: 04
            It is also necessary to take into account the cost of processing - this is a very refractory metal, there is special. arc furnaces are needed for it, with a huge consumption of electricity.


            It looks like there are no particular problems here if tungsten alloy shot is used in hunting cartridges for smooth-bore weapons. The cost of a shot in retail is about 10000 rubles / kg. The density of balls made of heavy tungsten alloys is 17,9 - 18,5 g / cmXNUMX.
  13. 0
    14 March 2021 04: 57
    Quote: Avior
    There is no programmable detonation of shells - an important function specifically against drones.

    Yes, and for a long time. Due to more modern systems, the Germans got by with a single gun, the tower is lighter and can be mounted on a wider range of chassis.


    There are a lot of photos and videos of the Turkish SPAAG Korkut - the guns are the same, the tower is also German development, licensed shells were also introduced there in a programmable fuse, but less advanced means of detecting and controlling devices, because the Turks preferred the older, two-gun version.
    1. +1
      14 March 2021 22: 10
      Quote: Azimuth
      the Turks preferred the older, two-gun version.

      In my opinion, the Turks simply copied / bought the "Gepard" circuits, and made their own, only on a new element base.
      1. +1
        14 March 2021 22: 20
        The Cheetah had only the same guns, but with their side-by-side arrangement.
        The Turks generally released this pair as a memory device under license, it was developed in the 50s. Here the tower was taken from the Germans, a heavier version with a twin, equipped with simpler systems of its own production.
      2. -1
        14 March 2021 22: 23
        No, Korkut is a direct continuation of Skygard. They just have it in service.

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  15. 0
    20 March 2021 02: 38
    Tympanic is it like? Shot a burst of drum and basta, to reload? That is, the actual and practical rate of fire are two big differences, or what?