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Turkey is considering purchasing Russian Su-35 and Su-57 fighters

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Turkey is considering purchasing Russian Su-35 and Su-57 fighters

Turkey may acquire Russian Su-35 and Su-57 fighters, but the priority is to develop its own fifth-generation aircraft. This was stated by the Minister of Industry and Technologies of the Republic Mustafa Varank.


Answering the question about the possibility of purchasing Russian fighters, the minister explained that Ankara does not exclude the purchase of the fourth generation Su-35 and the fifth generation Su-57, this option is being considered. Turkey is also considering options for purchasing aircraft from other countries. However, the priority remains the creation of its own fifth generation fighter.

If Russia has an aircraft that meets our current needs, if there are no difficulties with its introduction into our system and its launch, then, of course, we can purchase it from Russia or from another country in Europe. In this sense, we do not have any categorical antagonistic position.

- leads RIA News the words of Varanka.

According to the minister, the issue of buying Russian aircraft was repeatedly raised at the meetings of the leaders of Russia and Turkey, the parties have already discussed this issue. If Turkey is unable to implement its own program for the creation of a fifth generation fighter, it will consider Russian fighters.

Of course, our priority is primarily the development of Turkey's own capabilities in the development of fifth generation fighters. But if Russia has an aircraft that meets our needs and objectives, Turkey will acquire it.

- he added.

At the end of last summer, Ankara announced the acceleration of work on its own fifth generation fighter. The promising Turkish fighter TF-X (MMU) is being developed jointly by the Turkish aircraft corporation Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) in cooperation with BAE Systems. The first flight of the first TF-X prototype is scheduled for 2023. The TF-X is similar in design to fifth-generation American fighters, smaller than the F-22 but slightly larger than the F-35.
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  1. Pivot
    Pivot 11 March 2021 13: 57
    0
    Time will tell
    1. figwam
      figwam 11 March 2021 14: 30
      +3
      If Russia has an aircraft that meets our current needs

      We have them.
      1. Machito
        Machito 11 March 2021 15: 02
        -9
        Turks, following the Indians, gathered to build fifth generation fighters lol The British for the sixth generation are going to build laughing Rogozin, with his fantastic stories about blossoming apple trees on Mars, is a much greater realist. In fact, fifth-generation fighters are made by the United States and Russia, and even then there are a lot of questions about compliance with the fifth generation. Who else do the Turks want to buy planes from besides the United States and Russia? China?
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 11 March 2021 15: 13
          +3
          is the exit from NATO. neutral turk. NATO bases in Greece and Bulgaria. Revision of Monteux for passage to Bulgaria-Romania-Outskirts-Georgia. There are many questions - playing for big. 4 aces up your sleeve may not be enough we need crowbars.
        2. Kaman
          Kaman 11 March 2021 18: 31
          -4
          And it is right. Perdogan s-400 complete with SU-57 and early versions of F-16 just right
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 11 March 2021 18: 08
        +1
        Quote: figvam
        If Russia has an aircraft that meets our current needs

        We have them.

        In my opinion, Comrade Stalin, potential enemies before the war, did not offer any new aircraft (tanks, etc.) ?! and even more so without filling / satisfying the needs of their air forces ?! or not ?
        Even the USSR, having started mass production of the MiG 23, and the MiG 27, traded with Egypt and Iraq through the military-technical cooperation of the MiGohm 21 ... !!!
        What's going on ? request Must go on sale first "yesterday's models", and not the last, which are not in sufficient numbers in their army !!!
        Quote: Bearded
        The Turks, following the Indians, gathered to build fifth-generation fighters.The British gathered to build the sixth generation.
        so let them build.
        Quote: Bearded
        Who else do the Turks want to buy planes from besides the United States and Russia?
        they want "buy samples" for access to technological nuances, through "cloning" ... nothing more.
        Quote: Maz
        If the Turks take their own dryers, it will be a go-ahead to everyone else - take it while it's hot!
        that is, the military-industrial complex should work primarily not for its own army, but for the needs of Turkey, Egypt, the Saudis ... ?!
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    2. Maz
      Maz 11 March 2021 15: 17
      +1
      We are waiting for the reaction of the Fashington regional committee, with the S-400 they have already done it, just as Israel is not trying to handle this complex, but is afraid of it like fire in Syria. If the Turks take their own dryers, it will be a go-ahead to everyone else - take it while it's hot!
      1. mvg
        mvg 11 March 2021 16: 26
        -7
        but fears him like fire in Syria

        So afraid that the central regions are bombed every week. And there S-300PMU2, S-400 and a bunch of modernized S-125, S-75, Pantsiri, etc. Probably bombed out of fear
        1. Kaman
          Kaman 11 March 2021 18: 37
          -7
          MVG, Never mind, this is MAZ, it lives in an alternate reality
        2. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 13 March 2021 18: 53
          0
          These systems, such as the S-400, guard Russian facilities that Israel does not even think of touching.
          1. mvg
            mvg 13 March 2021 21: 15
            +1
            S-400 are guarded by Russian facilities

            S-300V4 in Tartus and S-400 in Khmeimim. Do you really think that having seen an attack on the radar screen, the Russian air defense officers will not give the go-ahead to the Syrians and Persians? Another option is that they do not see themselves.
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 14 March 2021 11: 34
              0
              Signal for what? Packing your bags or aiming the C-75 at the peephole? Do you even know how these air defense systems work?
              1. mvg
                mvg 14 March 2021 15: 34
                0
                aim the S-75 at the peephole

                The signal to wake up and the direction of the likely impact. In addition to the modernized S-75, the Syrians have S-125, S-200, Buk-M2, Pantsir-S1 and S-300PMU2. There are Chinese radar stations with AFAR. What else do they want? The Iranians clearly did not come with empty pockets.
                how these air defense systems are arranged

                And what, somehow in a special way? Without the ability to use an external control center?
  2. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 11 March 2021 13: 58
    +3
    But, to be sure there was a bookmark. And how it will turn out in 2014. And so - the Turks decided to shoot down the Russian - bang and there is no Turk and the plane too.
    1. mvg
      mvg 13 March 2021 21: 18
      0
      boo and no Turk and no plane either

      After that, no one will ever buy air defense systems from Russia in their life. The Turks shot down a Su-24 with an American missile.
  3. apro
    apro 11 March 2021 14: 03
    +8
    And that Erdogan is good again ????
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 11 March 2021 14: 08
      +17
      Quote: apro
      And that Erdogan is good again ????

      Today is odd ...
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 11 March 2021 14: 20
      +15
      Quote: apro
      And what about Erdogan
      It's not about the Turks from NATO or the Chinese theft of technology, but about our "buy and sell" that we are ready to sell weapons even to those who are potentially dangerous to us.
      There is a well-known statement by Lenin about capitalists, now we have capitalism, and these are our capitalists who sell arms "wholesale and retail", even to the detriment of the security of our country.
      1. codetalker
        codetalker 11 March 2021 14: 39
        +9
        This is not the point at all. It's just that, unfortunately, you do not understand what you are talking about. Military-technical cooperation puts a less technologically advanced partner in a very strong dependence on a more developed one. Explore the issue of US military-technical cooperation with "allies".
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 14: 45
          -1
          Quote: codetalker
          Military-technical cooperation puts a less technologically advanced partner in a very strong dependence on a more developed one.

          Not really. Iran is a prime example. Their F-14s are still flying.
          1. codetalker
            codetalker 11 March 2021 14: 46
            +2
            Well, this is still a special case, you see.
          2. Azimuth
            Azimuth 11 March 2021 14: 59
            0
            How many of how many? ...
          3. mvg
            mvg 11 March 2021 16: 30
            0
            Their F-14s still fly

            Cannibalism, smuggling ... Not to recreate the engine, radar, Phoenix, they could not.
          4. Klingon
            Klingon 11 March 2021 21: 46
            0
            well, the MiG-21 still flies somewhere
        2. ammunition
          ammunition 11 March 2021 14: 52
          +1
          Quote: codetalker
          puts a less technologically advanced partner

          In this case, it's a stamp .. "meme" doesn't work. For many reasons. For example - China, did not fall into any dependence on Russia, and then it also overtook it technologically. China okay .. China is a peaceful country. And Turkey is not at all peaceful.
          1. codetalker
            codetalker 11 March 2021 19: 06
            +1
            China is highly dependent on military-technical cooperation with Russia. And not only with Russia. Collaboration is direct and indirect.
            1. ammunition
              ammunition 11 March 2021 19: 39
              -1
              Quote: codetalker
              China is highly dependent on military-technical cooperation with Russia.

              Oh really ! smile type and Turkey will depend?
              ------------------
              Let's speak simply and honestly. sad
              Su-57 ... if they are going to sell it, it is already fully operational. An order for 100 (one hundred) aircraft for our army will cost 150 billion rubles. And these 150 billion rubles. will fully cover the costs of our factories, and even bring them a profit.
              What is 150 billion rubles. ? this is one yacht of Abramovich. a trifle .. a penny Plus - planes to replace the Su-57, one hundred pieces of Su-27 can be sold for a quarter of the price to Africa .. or some other place.
              ----------
              And to supply our potential enemy with the latest aircraft (((looks like sabotage.
              1. codetalker
                codetalker 11 March 2021 19: 44
                0
                You should once again thoroughly study the topic of military-technical cooperation. What you wrote above has nothing to do with this issue. After all, everyone understands the impact of credit and financial cooperation. What if the IMF gives money to someone, then he is included in the government of this country. Here is the same thing, only military-technical cooperation knits more tightly.
        3. Per se.
          Per se. 11 March 2021 14: 55
          +5
          Quote: codetalker
          Military technical cooperation
          Of course, the Chinese clone S-300 is already making us the same competition. The same Americans are far from ready to sell everything, including Russia. And the pinnacle of "technical cooperation", when they sell not the equipment itself, but the technology of its production, apparently for a stronger binding of the partner.

          Finally, there are production capacities, after all the "optimizations" are far from limitless, as the priority here is often in the direction of imports, without waiting for the saturation of new equipment in their own army ... It is really difficult to "understand" such a thing.
        4. Sofa
          Sofa 11 March 2021 15: 31
          +2
          Not in the case of the Turks.
        5. Lars971a
          Lars971a 11 March 2021 16: 25
          0
          that was not the point at all. It's just that, unfortunately, you do not understand what you are talking about. Military-technical cooperation puts a less technologically advanced partner in a very strong dependence on a more developed one.
          Russia is a very useless huckster, if we supply planes like the C-400 or build a nuclear power plant in Turkey, it’s better not to sell anything to anyone ..................... ....
          1. codetalker
            codetalker 11 March 2021 19: 10
            0
            Military-technical cooperation is not bargaining, it has other goals. And we organized the C400 and the station (and the stream) in Turkey brilliantly.
      2. BABAY22
        BABAY22 11 March 2021 15: 54
        +8
        The capitalists won't just sell us the rope ...

        Yes, this theory does not work at all!
        At least in the 41st, when class-conscious Germans theoretically had to go over to the side of the Red Army, at least in 2021, when the most capitalist of all capitalist countries, the United States, does not sell F-35s to the Turks.
        There are, however, exceptions - these are third-rate national representatives of the third world countries who are ready to lay their own mothers in order to become "their own" in the Golden Billion. Naive.
      3. Lars971a
        Lars971a 11 March 2021 16: 18
        0
        Totally agree with you
    3. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 11 March 2021 14: 59
      +8
      today we are friends)
  4. Ripap
    Ripap 11 March 2021 14: 04
    +7
    Or maybe it's enough to dance on a rake and supply the Sultan with wunderwaves? Turkey is our enemy, it has always been and always will be.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 11 March 2021 14: 09
      +7
      Quote: RipRap
      Or maybe it's enough to dance on a rake and supply the Sultan with wunderwaves? Turkey is our enemy, it has always been and always will be.

      The Turks got hooked on massage sanctioned striped.
      They want more and more.
      It is worth helping them with this.
      And the increase in serial production is good for us.
      1. knn54
        knn54 11 March 2021 14: 52
        +2
        Due to the sanctions, the Turks do not have the latest modifications of the F-16- (a radar with AFAR, the latest versions of air-to-air missiles ...), then, most likely, they will have to buy a SU-35 comparable in characteristics.
        Moreover, Greece and Israel are nearby.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 15: 00
          -3
          Quote: knn54
          locator with AFAR, latest versions of air-to-air missiles

          The Turks put their AFAR on the F-16 starting this year. Analogues of AIM-9/120 are manufactured, export deliveries are possible.
    2. Israel
      Israel 11 March 2021 14: 49
      0
      In this case, it is best for Russia to put Turkey on export wunderwafers, in which case Turkish specialists will inevitably go to Russia for training, and this is an additional opportunity to influence, when any pilot of the Turkish Air Force will then rise to the rank of general, etc.
    3. Azimuth
      Azimuth 11 March 2021 15: 01
      0
      Who doubts it? Only how will our Su-35s help Turkey against our own YARS? ...
    4. 72jora72
      72jora72 11 March 2021 15: 27
      0
      Or maybe it's enough to dance on a rake and supply the Sultan with wunderwaves?
      As soon as the nuclear power plant is completed for 20 lard, we will stop ...
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 11 March 2021 16: 23
        0
        Quote: 72jora72
        Or maybe it's enough to dance on a rake and supply the Sultan with wunderwaves?
        As soon as the nuclear power plant is completed for 20 lard, we will stop ...


        20 lard is our loan, which our state allocates to RosAtom.
        We build a nuclear power plant for the Turks absolutely free.
        They don’t invest a dime in construction.
        It's just that later, after the NPP is put into operation, they will pay for 20-25 years - for a pretty penny ...
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 16: 37
          -1
          Quote: SovAr238A
          20 lard is our loan, which our state allocates to RosAtom.

          Most of the loan will go to subcontractors, a significant part of which are from Turkey.
          Quote: SovAr238A
          It's just that later, after the nuclear power plant is put into operation, they will pay 20-25 years - for a pretty penny.

          Nobody will pay anything to anyone. Electricity will be sold, construction will be recouped from the sale. Moreover, the Turks have undertaken the obligation to buy guaranteed 50% of the generated energy. The rest is as lucky.
          The payback period is about 60 years.
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    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 March 2021 14: 08
      +1
      Taking into account the "bumps" on the Altai tank and the T-129 attack helicopter ..... the issue with engines and systems from Western countries will pull the program to the right ..... and there are turbojet engines similar to the F-18.
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider 11 March 2021 16: 26
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Taking into account the "bumps" on the Altai tank


        Welcome.
        The issue with the engine and transmission was closed in Altai. Take Korean. The question with the resource EST15K is open, but apparently the Turks no longer count on the Italians.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 11 March 2021 17: 08
          0
          The issue with tank units is still open ..... Diesel (I think Hyundai) has only begun to be produced in South Korea itself .... the transmission is not yet theirs. Serial production ..... localization in Turkey itself (South Korea is also a US protectorate, let me remind you), this is all correct, but not an easy way. Equipping Turkey itself is one thing, exporting to other Altai countries is another.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 17: 21
            -2
            Altay tank engine issue resolved

            This was stated in an interview with reporters by a high-ranking representative of the Turkish company BMC. The Turkish company has signed an agreement with the South Korean companies Doosan and S&T Dynamics on the supply of DV27K engines and EST15K transmissions for Altay tanks.

            The problem is that the South Korean automatic transmission is not very reliable. Apparently, the Turkish side considers this option as an intermediate one - for the production of the first 250 tanks.



            In fact, a simplified copy of K-2 comes out, with an average level of localization. Export prospects are very vague.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 11 March 2021 17: 25
              -1
              Just as I wrote.
          2. Orkraider
            Orkraider 11 March 2021 22: 14
            0
            Diesel (seem to be Hyundai)

            Doosan Infracore DV27K


            The transmission is also Korean, EST15K.
            But everything is complicated with her, the Koreans themselves put renk, since S&T Dynamics has problems with the resource.

            Localization for the engine-transmission compartment is not provided for by this contract, we are talking about the import of engine-transmission compartments from South Korea.

            But the Turks closed the issue of Altai, so without this decision there was generally a dead end.
      2. mvg
        mvg 11 March 2021 17: 02
        -2
        and there is a turbojet engine similar to the F-18

        Study the materiel ... there NEVER planned an F-414, well, a little deeper.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 11 March 2021 17: 15
          0
          Sorry, the bird turned out to be larger ... but that does not change the topic. The situation with the analogue of the 110th in the Russian Federation is better than with the analogue of the F-414 ..... and there are no others. In the place of the Turks and the Russian Federation, I would invest in a modern fighter with one turbojet engine, but this one, with two, I would buy in the Russian Federation. With different (necessary for the Turks) customization.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 17: 19
            -3
            Quote: Zaurbek
            In place of the Turks and the Russian Federation, I would invest in a modern fighter with one turbojet engine,

            They have F-16s, they plan to get an F-35. They simply do not need a single-engine fighter. But with 2 turbojet engines there is no principle.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 11 March 2021 17: 24
              -1
              The F-16 is running out of resources, the F-35 is not a fact that they will receive it. But there are ambitions, but they will not be able to do a turbojet engine. If you have F-35 competencies. In the place of the Turks, I would create a fuselage and everything that I can. The turbojet engine immediately, when designing, would provide 2 options for the 110th and something like the AL-41 of the last series.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 17: 37
                -2
                Quote: Zaurbek
                The F-16 is running out of resources, the F-35 is not a fact that they will receive it.

                The resource of the F-16 will last until the 40s. They will put the squeeze on the F-35, although deliveries will not be available soon.
                Quote: Zaurbek
                And he will not be able to make a turbojet engine.

                By the 30s they will do it, I have no doubt.
                Quote: Zaurbek
                would provide 2 options

                They now have 2 working variants F110 and EJ200.

                They make a single-engine HÜRJET, a complete analogue of the Korean T-50. There Eurojet EJ200 or General Electric F404-GE-102. It will completely take impact tasks from the F-16.
                The EJ200 is also planned to be installed on jet UAVs.
          2. mvg
            mvg 11 March 2021 18: 59
            -2
            The situation with the analogue of the 110th in the Russian Federation is better than with the analogue of the F-414

            See above, the Turks are ALREADY producing F110 for their F-16 bl 52, plus OgnennyiKotik
            already developed the theme of the EuroJet 2000, with a compatible thrust and dimension. The Turks have a very advanced partner BAE Systems, the owner of all possible technologies. The question is what he can share.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 11 March 2021 19: 05
              0
              The question is in the further course of the Turks. USA is one of the major shareholders of BAE ..... everything can end in a moment. And it is unlikely that they produce turbojet engines, in some independent way. They can be supplied with vehicle kits, exclusively for their number of fighters. Americans love contracts like this. In the West, there is no manufacturer of turbojet engines for fighters independent of the Americans.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 19: 45
                -2
                Quote: Zaurbek
                The question is in the further course of the Turks.

                Development of their turbojet engines.
                Quote: Zaurbek
                Hardly they produce turbojet engines

                The turbojet engine is made by Rolls-Royce Holdings. English company.
                Quote: Zaurbek
                USA one of the major shareholders of BAE

                The USA cannot be a shareholder, US companies are not major shareholders of BAE.
                BAE Systems plc, like RR is a British company with many shareholders but controlled by the government. BAE, on the other hand, owns a large number of companies in the United States (and Turkey). Strong mutual dependence.

                Turkey and the United States also have many joint ventures. Naturally, there is a competition, but they remain allies and friendly countries. Arguments are a common thing, we have some kind of strange sharp reaction to them.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 12 March 2021 00: 06
                  -1
                  RR is owned by BMW .... see who owns the company.
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 12 March 2021 00: 23
                    -2
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    RR is owned by BMW

                    BMW owns Rolls-Royce Motor Cars.
                    Rolls-Royce Holdings has nothing to do with BMW. And to the principle of autobuilding. These 2 RR companies split in the 70s and exist in parallel.
                2. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 12 March 2021 09: 24
                  -1
                  Previously, you could buy whatever you wanted for a dollar. Sanctions and restrictions are in vogue now.
              2. mvg
                mvg 11 March 2021 20: 50
                -2
                In the West, there is no manufacturer of turbojet engines for fighters independent of the Americans

                Rolls Royce (EuroJet), SNECMA, Motorsich, RK are also under US jurisdiction, but they sold engines for Altai to the Turks. China is a friend of Turkey, they will soon have competitive engines, plus the Russian Federation with AL-41F1 ... avionics and radar are the best in France, Italy, there is the same China, Israel. Any whims for your money ..
                PS: And, as I said, Erdogad is not eternal .. they will hand over the S-400, they will receive both the F-35 and MTU883
                and other necessary assistance.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 12 March 2021 09: 26
                  -1
                  I have no doubt that Turkey will be able to buy engregates for itself .. Turkey wants to be an exporter of these products. And Western countries limit this moment.
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 12 March 2021 17: 59
                    0
                    Turkey wants to be an exporter of this product

                    First, they want to rivet themselves 1000-1200 pieces, by this time they will develop their own engine and transmission. Will buy from the Ukrainians in the end.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 13 March 2021 09: 07
                      0
                      Either way, they did the right thing.
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 13 March 2021 15: 34
                        0
                        they did right

                        Apart from the fact that there were misunderstandings with the Federal Republic of Germany and the United States. First, it was necessary to get MTU883 and F-35 (at least the first batch), then "go on a rampage" with the S-400, which they just do not need now. They don't know where to stick the poor girl.
                      2. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 13 March 2021 19: 49
                        0
                        Well, we don't know the details.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 11 March 2021 14: 06
    +1
    Export option - to them, full value for their money - to us
    1. Ripap
      Ripap 11 March 2021 14: 10
      +4
      So, for reference, now we sell for export not only with lowered characteristics, but also sometimes improved. As a T-72 for Serbia as a gift with a panoramic sight of the commander, which is not on our T-72B3.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 11 March 2021 14: 23
        +1
        So, for your reference,
        Quote: RipRap
        which is not on our T-72B3.

        ... but it is on B3M, and it is quite possible - for Serbia's money, including
        1. Ripap
          Ripap 11 March 2021 14: 26
          +2
          What money, tanks donated. That is, it's free, absolutely. For kisses and promises of eternal friendship. And yes, have you seen a lot of B3Ms in the army? There is a gross B3 arr 16 g. And there is no panorama on it, but what a panorama, even a remote machine-gun turret was not delivered.
          1. Azimuth
            Azimuth 11 March 2021 15: 05
            +3
            But the T-90M also goes to the troops, and the modifications of the T-72 that are in service with us are gradually going through the second or third stages of modernization.
            At the expense of the same gift of the T-72 to the Serbs, funds were sent from the budget to the manufacturer of the same panoramic sights, factories engaged in the modernization of the T-72, people received salaries, took them to the store by buying a loaf of bread, and then received their everything along the chain from the saleswoman, the driver of the bread truck , baker, miller and so on to the peasant. This is bad?...
            1. Ripap
              Ripap 11 March 2021 15: 08
              +1
              This is of course very cool, but could not this money be allocated to equip OUR tanks with these sights? How would that change in your schema? Besides the fact that the money wouldn't be wasted? As for the T-90M, it goes so fast that you want to cry, 8 units per quarter .. All the same, the basis of our current tank fleet is the T-72B3
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 11 March 2021 16: 24
          +1
          Quote: Cowbra
          with money from Serbia, including

          As a gift ... Have you tried reading?
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 11 March 2021 14: 30
        +1
        Quite right. Ka52 for Egypt ...... for example.
      3. Israel
        Israel 11 March 2021 14: 51
        0
        This is due to Russian restrictions on Western components, for export products, at the request of the customer, Russia can install Western components.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 11 March 2021 17: 12
          0
          It's just that what can be sold to the Russian army can no longer be sold to countries that pay "real" money ...... Like a Tank without a thermal imager (and soon KAZ will be added) or a fighter without AFAR.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 March 2021 14: 07
    +1
    Turkey is considering the option of purchasing Russian fighters

    So he is still that "friend", entot Sam Brook!?!?
  • Alexander Nevsky_4
    Alexander Nevsky_4 11 March 2021 14: 08
    +1
    Promising Turkish fighter TF-X (MMU)


    characteristics of the future fighter
    the maximum takeoff weight will be more than 27 tons, the maximum speed corresponds to the number M = 2, and the combat radius will be more than 1100 km. The aircraft is supposed to use two engines with a thrust of about 9000 kgf. The aircraft will be about 19 m long, with a wingspan of 12 m, and a wing area of ​​60 m.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=http%3A%2F%2F37.143.9.186%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D60556&psig=AOvVaw2_vPw651ZEZ6VFS4VHrfbX&ust=1615547152665000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CA0QjhxqFwoTCNCj_Pn_p-8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAI
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 14: 14
      -3
      The manufacturer has different data. But in any case, the plane may be different. The engine is planned for General Electric F110. But considering recent events, there may be a British Eurojet EJ200, the extreme modifications have a thrust of 120 kN.

      https://www.tusas.com/en/product/milli-muharip-ucak

      TECHNICAL DATA
      Wingspan 14 m (46 ft)
      Length 21 m (69 ft)
      Height 6 m (20 ft)
      Engine Thrust Class> 2x 27.000 lb (120 kN)
      Max Speed ​​Mach 1,8
      Service Ceiling 55.000 ft
      Positive / Negative Limits G + 9g / - 3g
      1. Alexander Nevsky_4
        Alexander Nevsky_4 11 March 2021 14: 19
        +1
        The manufacturer has different data. But in any case, the plane may be different

        Everything is possible, I do not argue drinks
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 14: 27
          0
          From the latest news, Pakistan may join this project. And to other aviation projects. They also make the HÜRJET, a combat trainer. Analogue of the Korean T-50.
          By the way, KF-X with TF-X and T-50 with HÜRJET are very similar projects. Given the very close interactions in the military-industrial complex, it suggests cooperation.
          Turkey purchased 250 Engines and Gearboxes for Altai from Korea.
          1. Alexander Nevsky_4
            Alexander Nevsky_4 11 March 2021 14: 44
            +1
            Yes, the Turks are building 4 more MILGEM corvettes for them, the first will already receive in 23 and 30 ATAK helicopters, so they work closely
      2. Azimuth
        Azimuth 11 March 2021 15: 08
        -1
        This aircraft will not be serialized. The Turks will only form a school and master technologies, but in reality they will begin to produce something more perfect, perhaps exterminate the 6th generation. But this is if they manage to implement at least this program.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 15: 18
          -1
          I don’t think there are any special problems to make and launch the Eurofighter in a different fuselage. They need to buy planes anyway. F-4 / 5s will soon be physically unable to fly, and F-16s are not getting younger either. And in principle, they need a twin-engine multifunctional fighter.
          Let the US first make the 6th generation, at least let's see what it is. Britain, Japan will show their options. The Turks are a long way off even before that.
          1. Azimuth
            Azimuth 11 March 2021 15: 50
            -1
            Well, in principle, Eurofighter, or rather its components and systems in a "new body" is also quite an option for the poor. The dependence on the Europeans is only increasing - radar with AFAR Italians, German chassis, etc.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 17: 50
              -2
              The question of the degree of localization in the first will be small, it will increase further. For the F-35, the nodes are produced, they have made their own AFAR (it seems that the Koreans helped them, Lockheed).
              BAE is more profitable to cram its developments, so there will be mainly British and Italian nodes.
  • fighter angel
    fighter angel 11 March 2021 14: 12
    0
    No, well, some principles should be in the end!
    Or do we sell the latest weapons to just anyone, enemies, friends, "partners"? In figs in general ...
    Should there be at least some sense of dignity? We give them the S-400, and they go to Karabakh, we give them the Su-57 - and they are already making drones and engines with ukrobanderlogs ?!
    To what extent is it necessary to grovel in front of the dough?
    Who will respect us after that in the world, if we do not respect ourselves, we sell / don't understand to whom ...
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 11 March 2021 16: 10
      -3
      To what extent is it necessary to grovel in front of the dough?

      In my opinion, the desire to be promoted here plays an important role.
      Russian officials are jarred by the fact that behind the "expensive, flightless penguin" a kilometer-long queue lined up, and for the best 5th generation aircraft that has no analogues in the world, no buyer was found.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 March 2021 14: 14
    0
    But what is this going on today? Amanita is the only president who did not hold a pre-conference after the inauguration. After such news, it may never be held, that is, never at all. And what will Comrade Psaki say to this news.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 11 March 2021 14: 16
    +4
    A cunning move of the Radiant and Serene One according to the principle of judo. what
    I hope it won't come to the Daggers and Zircons.
    1. Ripap
      Ripap 11 March 2021 14: 24
      -2
      It will come, it will come. Every whim for your money. If it was possible to sell nuclear weapons, and it would be sold with pleasure.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 11 March 2021 14: 42
        -2
        Quote: RipRap
        If it was possible to sell nuclear weapons, and it would be sold with pleasure.

        Erdogan and Putin on March 10, 2021 launched the construction of the third unit of the Akkuyu NPP

        The first block of the nuclear power plant will be launched in 2023, on the occasion of the 100th anniversary of the founding of the Republic of Turkey, the President of Russia emphasized. The ceremony to start construction of the fourth power unit will take place in 2022.
  • Simon
    Simon 11 March 2021 14: 23
    +5
    Personally, I don't believe in Turks! They will definitely be framed. How many centuries have we fought with the Turks, if we had not yet had to fight against our own weapons, which the Turks will have. And in Syria, how many times have the Turks set up our military!
    1. ultra
      ultra 11 March 2021 15: 41
      +3
      And I just consider them enemies
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 11 March 2021 14: 44
    +1
    Turkish aircraft of the fifth generation? And where to get engines for it, after all, America and its vassals are not fools to sponsor a cheaper competitor to the F-35, most likely they will buy our Su-35 in a limited batch, or our engines for their TF-X, as China will annoy the Americans at the same time. Turkey is not a high-tech country, it is an assembly shop for Europe, except for Turkish soap, plastic buckets, ladders and batteries, I have not seen anything on our market
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 11 March 2021 16: 06
      0
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      apart from Turkish soap, plastic buckets, ladders and batteries, I have not seen anything on our market

      They and Italians, unlike us, have neither nickel, nor chromium, and for some reason we have Turkish and Italian sinks stamped from stainless steel ...
      It is profitable for someone to supply raw materials, but not a product.
      This power should hit someone on the paws. hi
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 11 March 2021 16: 07
      0
      Leather jackets, fur coats, jeans and other consumer goods. laughing
  • Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 11 March 2021 14: 53
    +1
    "However, the priority remains the creation of our own fifth generation fighter."

    Those. when buying "imported" fighters, they will try to solve their priority task.
    Like we're buying a plane
    but wrap up technology for us ...

    Something like what will happen to the Indians?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 March 2021 16: 05
    +1
    The purchase of such aircraft as the Su-57 by a NATO country is not gut, so they will have to choose, xy from xy.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 11 March 2021 21: 01
    0
    It is not in the interests of Turkey to spoil relations with Russia, said Ismail Beijing, the ex-chief of intelligence of the General Staff of the Republic ...
    Source: https://politexpert.net/236364-eks-glava-voennoi-razvedki-turcii-krymskii-vopros-rano-ili-pozdno-budet-reshen?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign= dbr
  • kit88
    kit88 11 March 2021 22: 14
    +7
    Wouldn't it be fat for the Turks to have the Su-57?
  • Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 11 March 2021 23: 24
    +1
    This finished company of "partners" of mothers of relatives would be sold to the Turks, if they were alive, that some Su-57, S-400, etc. Newer Russian weapons are in NATO countries faster than in their own army. The Turks in Syria do not hesitate to fire at the Russians, and the KGB manager with partners builds a nuclear power plant for them for a Russian loan, which, as in the case of the independent one, no one will return and does not know what else to sell to the Turks until he has died of old age. Will so much dough fit into the coffin?
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 12 March 2021 02: 38
    0
    If Russia sells, it will be the biggest betrayal! And let the dead pilots come every 6th night to the one who was going to sign this contract!
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 12 March 2021 06: 54
    0
    to invent .. you need to have a school .. or do something .. and not just scratch with your tongue)
  • vdowin.sergei2012
    vdowin.sergei2012 12 March 2021 17: 36
    0
    stupid people, how can you sell weapons to the enemy!