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Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister: Russia's goal is federalization, split, then the absorption of Ukraine as in 1917

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The Russian Federation is trying to intimidate Ukraine and force it to make concessions on the Donbas problem and other issues. After all, the main goal of Russia is allegedly federalization, split and absorption of Ukraine as in 1917.


This opinion was expressed by Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Oleksiy Reznikov, who also holds the post of head of the Ministry for the "temporarily occupied" territories.

He claims that the Kremlin dreams of destroying the statehood of Ukraine, but is afraid of deciding on a full-scale aggression. First, according to Reznikov, this is due to the large-scale support of Kiev by the West. And the second reason is the powerful Ukrainian army, which is allegedly "too tough" for the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

The minister believes that the main mistake of Russia, which it manifests in the course of the negotiation process on Donbass, is a lack of understanding of Ukraine. He claims that Moscow is allegedly blocking all "peace initiatives" of Kiev and "groundlessly" accuses it of systematic violations of the Minsk agreements.

As usual, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not fulfill their obligations to comply with the ceasefire in Donbas. In particular, clashes between Ukrainian armed formations and soldiers of the NM LPR in the area of ​​Zolote-5 were recorded yesterday. In addition, a violation of the ceasefire was recorded near the village of Katerinovka. In fact, Kiev withdrew from the Minsk agreements, which, in fairness, it never fulfilled.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 11 March 2021 13: 30
    -25%
    Russia is already federalized. It remains to absorb.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 11 March 2021 14: 18
      +14
      Quote: iouris
      Russia is already federalized. It remains to absorb.

      Do not tear your mouth open when absorbed.
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. frruc
          frruc 11 March 2021 15: 34
          +5
          First, according to Reznikov, this is due to the large-scale support of Kiev by the West. And the second reason is the powerful Ukrainian army, which is allegedly "too tough" for the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

          Ukraine is a hemorrhoid for Europe, just a sales market and a cheap slave. strength. About the second "inference" one can only modestly keep silent. I can only say one thing: constipation of thoughts and diarrhea of ​​words. fool
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 11 March 2021 15: 59
            +13
            Quote: frruc
            I can only say one thing: constipation of thoughts and diarrhea of ​​words.

            Not only. There is a direct forgery in what he said about the 17th year. There was no independent Ukraine in 17, Ukraine was captured by the Germans, then, after the Brest Peace, Kiev was taken by the Poles, and only then Ukraine became part of the Soviet state, when the Red Army soldiers recaptured it from the Poles. There was no takeover by the RSFSR.
            In addition, if we consider how many Ukrainians were in the power of the country, we still need to see who absorbed whom. Because, for example, Crimea and Donbass were donated to Ukraine. Has Ukraine given anything to the RSFSR?
            I just do not understand how Ukrainians speak in a brazen and thoroughly false shnyaga.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 11 March 2021 17: 41
              -23%
              Quote: yehat2
              There was no independent Ukraine in 17

              On November 7 (20), 1917, the Central Rada proclaimed the Ukrainian People's Republic with its III Universal.
              Quote: yehat2
              There was no takeover by the RSFSR.

              Was the takeover of the USSR, the USSR was a unitary state
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 11 March 2021 17: 48
                +3
                Quote: RUSS

                On November 7 (20), 1917, the Central Rada proclaimed the Ukrainian People's Republic with its III Universal.

                Declaration is not enough for independence.
                Independence is possible only for a historical period of time.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 11 March 2021 18: 33
                  -14%
                  Quote: Flood
                  Declaration is not enough for independence.
                  Independence is possible only for a historical period of time.

                  Is this acceptable from South Ossetia?
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 11 March 2021 18: 47
                    +4
                    Quote: RUSS
                    This is acceptable from South Ossetia

                    including
              2. yehat2
                yehat2 11 March 2021 19: 30
                +6
                Quote: RUSS
                On November 7 (20), 1917, the Central Rada proclaimed the Ukrainian People's Republic with its III Universal.

                glad can accept anything, does she have the power to implement it?
                Quote: RUSS
                Was the takeover of the USSR

                ask when the USSR was formed.
                what you said is simply impossible.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 11 March 2021 15: 27
        0
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Do not tear your mouth open when absorbed.

        If you open your mouth too much, then the navel will be untied. Forgetting that Ukraine has long been swallowed up.
    2. figwam
      figwam 11 March 2021 14: 43
      +17
      then the absorption of Ukraine as in 1917

      There was no Ukraine in 1917, there was a revolution, the collapse of the Russian Empire, civil war and the formation of the USSR in 1922.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 11 March 2021 15: 06
        0
        Quote: figvam
        then the absorption of Ukraine as in 1917

        There was no Ukraine in 1917, there was a revolution, the collapse of the Russian Empire, civil war and the formation of the USSR in 1922.

        Sergey, and now it's the same, try to say it in their understandable language ...
        1. figwam
          figwam 11 March 2021 15: 19
          +8
          Quote: sabakina
          Sergey, and now it's the same

          I can like this
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 11 March 2021 17: 14
            +2
            Right.
            And if the word Ukraine is not on the map of the Russian Empire, then, Ukraine, even as a province, did not exist in nature. But Austria-Hungary existed.
            1. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 11 March 2021 18: 13
              -3
              As a territory, not some maps are.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 12 March 2021 08: 18
                +3
                Well, you know!
                On some maps, she is also indicated as a member of the USSR ...
                But how do Bandera's supporters look within the Union? As brothers or as enemies? As Russians or as Lieberdians?
                So Ukraine is now a toxic territory for Russia, like the people living in the territory of Little Russia, Volyn and Galicia, will never again be our brother, just as they cannot be brothers of Tribalts and Psheks.
                So the Novorossiysk Russians with Donbass should be taken to Russia, and what to do with the rest - let the head of the GDP hurt (this is a legal matter, not an emotional one) - and this is not a matter of the Russian people, so that the Liberdian "world community" does not accuse us of the genocide of our enemies ...
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 11 March 2021 15: 55
        -1
        nepozubastki descend from the Sumerians. the most ancient they did not erect a monument to Hamurappi.
    3. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 11 March 2021 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      Russia is already federalized. It remains to absorb.

      I don’t understand, do you have a sense of humor? what
      Yesterday, the topic about the Polish general and Kaliningrad was thrown. Today...
    4. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 11 March 2021 17: 00
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      After all, the main goal of Russia is supposedly ... the absorption of Ukraine

      Even if they do not dream! She died, so she died! yes
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 11 March 2021 13: 31
    +6
    federalization, split, then takeover of Ukraine

    Whatever they wanted, they would have swallowed up long ago ...
    There is nothing to "federalize and split" ...
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 11 March 2021 13: 37
      +10
      There is nothing to "federalize and split" ...
      There may be nothing to pull away, but strict implementation of the Minsk agreements for Ukraine in general and for the junta in particular is the end.
    2. apro
      apro 11 March 2021 13: 57
      -27%
      Quote: Doccor18
      Whatever they wanted, they would have swallowed up long ago ...

      And what did they want ??? or Russian bourgeois and Ukrainian did not agree.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 March 2021 14: 28
        +14
        And who wanted to?))) I don’t remember something that at least once that our first persons would even hint about something like that at least once
        1. apro
          apro 11 March 2021 14: 32
          -21%
          Quote: carstorm 11
          And who wanted it?)))

          The whole site is bubbling ...
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Something I do not remember such that at least once that our first persons at least once would even hint about something like this

          So they didn't say anything about Crimea either ...
          1. VORON538
            VORON538 11 March 2021 14: 50
            +9
            What's wrong with the Crimea? Worries ??? Crimea-home, what is necessary ??? Or do you not want to honestly express your position on this?
            1. apro
              apro 11 March 2021 14: 54
              +1
              Quote: VORON538
              Worried ???

              Never.
              Quote: VORON538
              Or do you want to honestly express your position on this matter?

              My position does not change. For this mess in Ukraine. I must judge both Bandera and Vlasovites equally.
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 11 March 2021 15: 16
            +1
            There is such a thing as a red line and prompt response to situations. The fact that in 404 there were no other scenarios for the Crimea did not leave. No one in his right mind would leave him to these undersized ones. Until the start of real hostilities against those who would decide not to obey.
            1. apro
              apro 11 March 2021 15: 23
              -9
              Quote: carstorm 11
              What happened in 404

              What happened was what they were striving for in Moscow. Purposefully separating our people. For the sake of the bourgeoisie. And if the Russian bourgeois was able to move the Ukrainian bourgeois. Does not mean that he did good for the people.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 11 March 2021 15: 27
                +5
                Lord ... yes, you just appreciate the forces and means than it was done. The understaffed drugs from Sochi were urgently removed. It was impromptu. It was done quickly and the fact that the plan is not visible immediately.
                1. apro
                  apro 11 March 2021 15: 29
                  -9
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  It was done quickly and the fact that the plan is not visible immediately.

                  Yes, no difference. I am not worried about the actions. I am depressed by the result of these actions.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 11 March 2021 15: 32
                    +1
                    Normal result. Crimea is strategically preserved. People are protected. And that in 404 1 percent of the population the rest of the cancer puts it their business. They chose another jester and let them suffer now.
                    1. apro
                      apro 11 March 2021 15: 34
                      -11%
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      Normal result.

                      Well, you know better from the cellar.
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 11 March 2021 16: 04
                        +5
                        I am afraid to present your location now. Does the halo press? The stupidest habit is ending a conversation with rudeness. Especially when there are no arguments
                      2. apro
                        apro 11 March 2021 16: 10
                        -14%
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        Especially when there are no arguments

                        And what are the arguments ??? that the Russian hucksters create a hotbed of tension with Ukraine purposefully. I have no doubts. That they do not set the goal of uniting our divided people, I have no doubts. That they cannot offer our divided people an acceptable prospect of life, too, no doubt about yours. the opinion of a Russian nationalist. I heard enough for me.
                    2. Crimean partisan 1974
                      Crimean partisan 1974 11 March 2021 16: 13
                      +3
                      [quote] [Well, you know better from the cellar. / quote] ...... if you want to tell our movement to Russia .... from what moment .. there are a lot of them since 1991
                    3. Looking for
                      Looking for 11 March 2021 16: 17
                      +4
                      On "democratic.evropeyskoy" Ukraine, you would not have held out for a day on such a resource, instant blocking. And adie. And here they are rushing around with you like a "written sack".
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 11 March 2021 19: 35
              0
              Quote: apro
              purposefully separating our people. to please the bourgeoisie

              So it was the bourgeois who created Ukraine?
              1. apro
                apro 12 March 2021 03: 35
                -3
                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: apro
                purposefully separating our people. to please the bourgeoisie

                So it was the bourgeois who created Ukraine?

                I have no doubts.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 12 March 2021 18: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: apro
                  I have no doubts.

                  That is, Lenin was a bourgeois.
                  1. apro
                    apro 12 March 2021 19: 05
                    -1
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, Lenin was a bourgeois.

                    The Ukrainian state was created a little earlier than the USSR. You probably remember the hetman Skoropadsky, and after the destruction of the USSR, the bourgeoisie gained power in Ukraine.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 12 March 2021 20: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: apro
                      Ukrainian state was created

                      Ukraine was created in the USSR, and all these "hetmans" achieved nothing.
                    2. apro
                      apro 12 March 2021 20: 30
                      -1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Ukraine was created in the USSR,

                      And with whom did Germany sign peace in Brest ??? and with whom did the Reds fight until 1920 ??
                    3. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 13 March 2021 08: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: apro
                      And with whom did Germany sign peace in Brest ???

                      With a bunch of nationalists who were essentially nothing.
                      Quote: apro
                      and with whom the reds fought until 1920

                      Do you suggest that everyone who then shouted about their independence to be recognized as a state?
                    4. apro
                      apro 13 March 2021 09: 13
                      -1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      With a bunch of nationalists who were essentially nothing.

                      But with Sich arrows.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Do you suggest that everyone who then shouted about their independence to be recognized as a state?

                      I am not proposing anything. I am stating a fact. Only a large force can cope with armed force.
                    5. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 13 March 2021 09: 41
                      +1
                      Quote: apro
                      But with Sich arrows.

                      Each dad had their own "archers".
                      Quote: apro
                      armed force can only be handled by a large force

                      AND? Then everyone who wanted to talk about their independence, and this could only be suppressed by force. But only Ukraine was created as part of the USSR.
                    6. apro
                      apro 13 March 2021 09: 56
                      -1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Ukraine was created as part of the USSR

                      Yes, the USSR included the USSR. For the Soviets, this was not a problem.
                    7. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 13 March 2021 15: 56
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      for the soviet it was not a problem

                      Putin said very accurately about the time bomb.
                    8. apro
                      apro 13 March 2021 16: 14
                      -1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Putin said very accurately about the time bomb.

                      And who is Putin the USSR ???
                      The Russians really wanted not to feed the republics, and they did it.
                    9. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 13 March 2021 19: 07
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      And who is Putin the USSR ???

                      That is, there is nothing to argue.
                      Quote: apro
                      The Russians really wanted not to feed the republics.

                      And the republics really wanted to be independent. True, now many people greatly regret it.
                    10. apro
                      apro 14 March 2021 02: 59
                      -1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, there is nothing to argue.

                      Even as there is something to object. Russia in relation to the USSR enemy. All actions of the Russian leading class were aimed at destroying the USSR. The legality of Soviet legislative acts and laws was also questioned. naroda.rf acts in the interests of the leading class. and the interests of the bourgeoisie do not coincide with the interests of the Soviet.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And the republics really wanted to be independent

                      First of all, the Russians.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      True, now many people regret it very much.

                      But not to strive in Russia. Russians have nothing to offer them. What they don’t have ... they regret the USSR, yes.
                    11. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 14 March 2021 07: 59
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      rf in relation to the USSR, the enemy. All actions of the leading Russian class were directed

                      It is very pretentious, but the fact that Ukraine was created in the USSR, by no means, cancels out.
                      Quote: apro
                      First of all, the Russians.

                      From ourselves?
                      Quote: apro
                      Russians have nothing to offer them. what they don’t have ... they regret the USSR, yes

                      And what, some of them are trying to build communism? Well, they do not aspire to go there.
                    12. apro
                      apro 14 March 2021 08: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Ukraine was created in the USSR

                      Once again in the USSR, the Ukrainian SSR was created, but not bourgeois Ukraine.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      From ourselves?

                      Well, you are celebrating July 12, independence day, a public holiday, the Russians decided so.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And what, some of them are trying to build communism?

                      Bourgeois states do not build communism; they fight against it.
                    13. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 14 March 2021 09: 38
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Once again in the USSR, the Ukrainian SSR was created, but not bourgeois Ukraine.

                      Once again, before the USSR there was no Ukraine at all.
                      Quote: apro
                      Bourgeois states don't build communism

                      But what about the people? Something imperceptible that he strives for it.
                    14. apro
                      apro 14 March 2021 10: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Once again, before the USSR there was no Ukraine at all.

                      And the USSR, who asked him what to do, considered it expedient in that situation, did it.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      But what about the people?

                      His problems.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Something imperceptible that he strives for it.

                      ???? remembers ..
                    15. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 14 March 2021 11: 55
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      And the USSR considered it expedient from whom it asked what to do ???

                      So what? There is a fact that it was there that they created it, so all the problems are for Comrade Lenin.
                      Quote: apro
                      His problems.
                      That is, no one wants to return to him and the "bourgeois" have nothing to do with it.
                    16. apro
                      apro 14 March 2021 12: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      so all the problems are for Comrade Lenin.

                      I have no problem with Comrade VILENIN.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, no one wants to return to him.

                      There is no sense in a situation where the bourgeoisie dominates.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      bourgeois "it has nothing to do with it.

                      More how to do it.
                    17. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 14 March 2021 13: 52
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      I have no problems with comrade VILENIN
                      That is, the fact that he created it is no longer disputed.
                      Quote: apro
                      In a situation of bourgeois domination
                      Well, who in the former republics is hungry for communism?
                    18. apro
                      apro 14 March 2021 13: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, the fact that he created it is no longer disputed.

                      VILENIN created the USSR. For me it is quite enough. And I am not looking for hidden meanings.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Well, who in the former republics is hungry for communism?


                      Not everyone is happy with bourgeois domination, and no one is thirsty for the Russian Federation either.
                    19. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 14 March 2021 18: 20
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      VILENIN created the USSR. For me it is quite enough. And I am not looking for hidden meanings.

                      And what are the hidden meanings in the fact that he created new states that did not exist before.
                      Quote: apro
                      Not everyone is happy with bourgeois domination.

                      That is, no one.
                    20. apro
                      apro 15 March 2021 02: 20
                      -1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And what are the hidden meanings that he created new states,

                      The will of the working people.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, no one.

                      ????? understandable. I don’t see anything. I don’t hear anything. And all around the intrigues of the State Department. ...
                    21. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 15 March 2021 19: 24
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      The will of the working people.

                      That is, his whim.
                      Quote: apro
                      I understand. I don't see anything. I don't hear anything.

                      Well, who is there from the former republics of the USSR building communism?
                    22. apro
                      apro 15 March 2021 23: 11
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, his whim.

                      That is, do you think the will of the people is a prikhotyu ??? and democracy is only for the elite ???
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Well, who is there from the former republics of the USSR building communism?

                      Nobody is building. Once again, bourgeois states are not building communism. They are fighting against it.
                    23. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 16 March 2021 19: 26
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      That is, do you consider the will of the people as a whim?

                      I close my eyes and see that then the Russian people dreamed exclusively of being divided into several parts. Well, he had no other aspirations. (sarcasm)
                      Quote: apro
                      Nobody builds. Once again, bourgeois states do not build communism

                      But what about the people? What is he?
                    24. apro
                      apro 16 March 2021 19: 40
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      I close my eyes and see that then the Russian people dreamed exclusively of being divided into several parts.

                      Yes, there was such a thing. In 1916-1917 when the so-called Russians create states on the body of the disintegrating Russian empire ... the Kuban Cossack circle. Against nonresidents. Don Cossack circle is also against nonresidents and for some reason they do not consider themselves Russians. the Crimean Kurultai also wants something. Seeing not bread and butter. And your beloved Ukraine also dreamed of seceding from the race. remember who fought with whom in Kiev reading Bulgakov. also a song with the Belarusians. and the Siberian republic also did not really want to split up. enumerate many. and they also shared their land with the Russians.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      But what about the people? What is he?

                      There is no will.
                    25. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 16 March 2021 22: 12
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Yes, there was such a thing. In 1916-1917, when
                      That is, you say that the communists fought against the people? And came to power against his will?
                      Quote: apro
                      There is no will.

                      Or desires.
                    26. apro
                      apro 17 March 2021 03: 06
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, you say that the communists fought against the people?

                      And where were the communists until October 1917? And you will compare the size of the Red Army and its opponents ..


                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And came to power against his will?

                      At the second congress of Soviets of Workers', Peasants', Soldiers' Cossack Deputies, together with their allies, they received full power.
                    27. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 17 March 2021 19: 57
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      And where were the communists until October 1917?

                      Who cares? There is a fact that, having come to power, they began to suppress by force attempts to separate from Russia. If, according to your words, all this was the will of the people, it turns out that they fought against the people.
                      Quote: apro
                      At the second congress of councils

                      That is, ourselves.
                    28. apro
                      apro 18 March 2021 01: 48
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      There is a fact that, having come to power, they began to suppress by force attempts to separate from Russia.

                      Not from Russia, but from the USSR. Communists are not Russian projects. And not by force. But political methods. Including the formation of communist republics.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      that they fought against the people.

                      Against that part of the people who adhered to bourgeois attitudes, a smaller part.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, ourselves.

                      If the councils of people's deputies covered the whole country if they were supported by the majority of the population, then your statement is incorrect.
                    29. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 18 March 2021 20: 26
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Not from Russia but from the USSR. The Communists are not a Russian project. And not by force. But by political methods.

                      That is, the Red Army did not fight ?!
                      Quote: apro
                      Against that part of the people who adhered to bourgeois attitudes, a smaller part.

                      That is, all these "glad" were not the will of the people? Well, then there was no Ukraine either.
                      Quote: apro
                      If the councils of people's deputies covered the whole country if they were supported by the majority of the population, then
                      The whole country? Who then fought with? And why did you lose the election?
                    30. apro
                      apro 19 March 2021 02: 47
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, the Red Army did not fight ?!

                      ???? as I understand it. You hear. only what you think is profitable.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, all these "glad" were not the will of the people? Well, then there was no Ukraine either.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Against that part of the people who adhered to bourgeois attitudes, a smaller part.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      The whole country? Who then fought with? And why did you lose the election?

                      Yes, throughout the country, power passed sovetovalyum. And fought with opponents sovetov. What elections did they lose ???
                    31. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 19 March 2021 19: 05
                      0
                      Quote: apro

                      ???? I understand. You
                      that she was at war with the people? You yourself declared all who wanted to secede from Russia as a people.
                      Quote: apro
                      what elections did they lose
                      In Petrograd, they lost the elections to the All-Russian Constituent Assembly, after which they seized power by force.
                      Quote: apro
                      and fought opponents of the Soviets
                      That is, with the people.
                    32. apro
                      apro 20 March 2021 02: 38
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      that she was at war with the people? You yourself declared all who wanted to secede from Russia as a people.

                      Again. The USSR was not Russia and the Soviets defended the Soviet interests. And the interests of the Soviet people. If we consider the part of the people who wanted to parasitize on the main part of the people, then yes. The criminal part of the people.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      In Petrograd, they lost the elections to the All-Russian Constituent Assembly, after which they seized power by force.

                      You will sound the numbers as a percentage ...
                      And where was the provazglochon of the RSFSR? At the congress of people's deputies. Was this body in power? Were they subordinate to it?

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, with the people.

                      And the opponents of the Reds with whom they fought ??? probably also with the people.
                    33. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 20 March 2021 07: 05
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Again. The USSR is not Russia and the Soviets defended the Soviet interests. And the interests of the Soviet people

                      Once again, when the conversation began about the creation of Ukraine, you began to assert that this was the will of the people, referring to
                      Quote: apro
                      That is, you consider the will of the people as a whim.
                      Thus, you assert that it was the people who wanted to secede from Russia. So the spacecraft was at war with the people.
                      Quote: apro
                      You will sound the numbers as a percentage
                      RSDLP is only 24 percent.
                      Quote: apro
                      And where was the provazglochon of the RSFSR?
                      At the communists' meeting.
                      Quote: apro
                      And the opponents of the Reds with whom they fought
                      By your logic, for the people.
                    34. apro
                      apro 20 March 2021 07: 21
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Thus, you claim that it was the people who wanted to secede from Russia.

                      Russian and Russia was then ??? why create the essence of which at that time was not? Once again, the USSR is not rossiya.Nemog people separate from what is not, and could choose their own destiny.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      RSDLP is only 24 percent.

                      And also their allies ... with whom it was blocked.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      At the communists' meeting.

                      They knew how to do things. Not for example non-business. And they had power. Local councils of people's deputies confirmed their powers through their deputies. Or is the councils of people's deputies an illegitimate body?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      By your logic, for the people.

                      I am interested in your logic. Or is your logic any other?
                    35. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 20 March 2021 09: 16
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Russian and Russia was then ???
                      And what was not? And where was she?
                      Quote: apro
                      Why create an entity that did not exist at that time?
                      There really was no USSR then. And there was no Ukraine either.
                      Quote: apro
                      they had local councils of people's deputies
                      Just like the deputies of the United Russia in the field.
                      Quote: apro
                      I am interested in your logic.
                      Because you can't decide on your own?
                    36. apro
                      apro 20 March 2021 09: 33
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And what was not? And where was she?

                      RSFSR.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Just like the deputies of the United Russia in the field

                      Yes, they did it differently.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Because you can't decide on your own?

                      I decided on my own. If one people is for the Reds, another people for not Reds. The question arises .. is this one people? Or not already? If not, then your logic does not work, then national delimitation. .. part of the people. cease to perceive the other part of the people as their own. and if there is one. where all are theirs and there is nothing to share. everyone is happy. everyone is satisfied. where everyone knows his place. and does not claim to be more. then there should be no drilling in principle. It should be quiet and grace. But I have not seen this in the history of the territory of Russia in the entire history. How can this be ??? Your logic except the hand of the State Department and the money of the Anglo-Saxons and the Kaiser can give an intelligible explanation?
                    37. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 20 March 2021 12: 01
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      RSFSR.

                      That is, you say that the RSFSR appeared before Russia?
                      Quote: apro
                      For his own definition. If one people for the red. Another people for not red. The question arises .. is this one people?

                      Once again, if all these attempts of small-town elites to become autocratic princes is the will of the people, then the KA was at war with the people.
                      Quote: apro
                      .. part of the people. cease to perceive the other part of the people as their own. and if there is one. where all are theirs and there is nothing to share. everyone is happy. everyone is satisfied. where everyone knows his place. and does not claim to be more. then there should be no drilling in principle. must be quiet and grace. but I have not observed this in the history of the territory of Russia in the whole history

                      Very interesting, but where could this be observed in the USSR? Not on paper, but in reality.
                    38. apro
                      apro 20 March 2021 13: 21
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, you say that the RSFSR appeared before Russia?

                      Instead of Russia.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Once again, if all these attempts of small-town elites to become autocratic princes is the will of the people, then the KA was at war with the people.

                      This is one people on the territory of Russia ???
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Very interesting, but where could this be observed in the USSR? Not on paper, but in reality.

                      Not where. But when is the period of February 1917 after the end of the civil war. To your one narod. So one non-native or not ???
                    39. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 20 March 2021 13: 58
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Instead of Russia.

                      Quote: apro
                      Why create an entity that did not exist at that time?

                      Your words.
                      Quote: apro
                      This is one people on the territory of Russia

                      So tell me, it is you and not me who assure you that the division of the Russians was at the request of the people.
                      Quote: apro
                      Not where. But when the period is February 1917 after the end of the civil war

                      That is, this was not the case in the USSR.
                    40. apro
                      apro 20 March 2021 14: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Your words.

                      But you understand them in your own way.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      So tell me, it is you and not me who assure you that the division of the Russians was at the request of the people.

                      Yes, the will of the people.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, this was not the case in the USSR.

                      What does it mean there was no national demarcation. War by all with all. Foreign intervention. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
                    41. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 20 March 2021 17: 59
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      But you understand them in your own way.
                      True? Well, how else to understand them? There was Russia, and there was a set of some kind of SSR.
                      Quote: apro
                      Yes, the will of the people.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Once again, if all these attempts of small-town elites to become autocratic princes is the will of the people, then the KA was at war with the people.

                      Quote: apro
                      What does not mean? National delimitation

                      Is this news for you? On paper, of course, everything was beautiful, but in reality, nationalism did not go anywhere and, on the contrary, was fueled.
                    42. apro
                      apro 20 March 2021 18: 41
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      There was Russia

                      Was there?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      but in reality, nationalism has not gone anywhere

                      And what is it that worries you so much ??? if there is Russian nationalism, then there should be no Russian. And how about this you Russian nationalists do not know.
                    43. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 21 March 2021 07: 11
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Was there?

                      Where was she? There was no RSFSR.
                      Quote: apro
                      What is it that worries you so much?

                      That is, the fact that nationalism flourished and smelled in the USSR, which was actively fueled by state policy, you do not argue.
                    44. apro
                      apro 21 March 2021 07: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Where was she?

                      In dreams ... for 1914. Russia is a highly developed country with a homogeneous population. With a single faith. With a developed national economy and highly productive agriculture say yes. Is that so ??
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      The USSR bloomed and smelled nationalism, which was actively fueled by state policy

                      In general, this is a criminal offense in the USSR, and at the state level, the main method of struggle was the deep integration of all republics into a single economic system, based on the Russian language, all-Union laws.
                    45. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 21 March 2021 13: 26
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      for 1914. Russia is

                      The existing state, and there were no SSRs, in general, and no Ukraine in particular.
                      Quote: apro
                      In general, this is a criminal offense in the USSR and was suppressed at the state level and the main method of struggle
                      there was a reverent cultivation of national elites, the export of labor and professors from the RSFSR, subsidies to various "showcases of socialism", the creation of new peoples, the transfer of territories to "fraternal peoples" to which they had nothing to do.
                    46. apro
                      apro 21 March 2021 14: 08
                      0
                      Just say yes or no.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      there was a reverent cultivation of national elites, the export of labor and professors from the RSFSR, subsidies to various "showcases of socialism", the creation of new peoples, the transfer of territories to "fraternal peoples" to which they had nothing to do.

                      There was the integration of all the republics into a single Soviet civilizational space.
                    47. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 21 March 2021 15: 58
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      There was the integration of all republics into

                      And before that, they were not at all.
                    48. apro
                      apro 21 March 2021 16: 06
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027

                      And before that, they were not at all.

                      Yes, it wasn’t. It was necessary to appear. What’s wrong?
                    49. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 21 March 2021 17: 02
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Yes, it wasn’t. It was necessary to appear

                      That is, you admit that it was the communists who created Ukraine, and before that it did not exist.
                    50. apro
                      apro 21 March 2021 17: 07
                      0
                      Once again, the USSR created the Ukrainian SSR.
                    51. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 21 March 2021 21: 35
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Once again, the USSR created the Ukrainian SSR.
                      Once again, whatever you call it, but there were no Ukraine or the Ukrainian SSR, that is, it was created by the Communists.
                    52. apro
                      apro 22 March 2021 02: 33
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      that is, it was created by the communists.

                      Nobody interfered with them. They were supported in their decisions. They needed it. They did it. Russian should be done differently? Do it.
                    53. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 22 March 2021 20: 13
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Nobody bothered them.

                      Considering that Comrade Mauser was an argument, I'm not surprised.
                      Quote: apro
                      they needed it. they did it.

                      What I said from the very beginning was that Ukraine was created by the communists.
                    54. apro
                      apro 23 March 2021 02: 04
                      -1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      I am not surprised

                      And how surprised I am. Tens of millions of Russians. Could not. Did not want to defend their Russian world. Against tens of thousands of Bolsheviks. That's interesting.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      What I said from the very beginning was that Ukraine was created by the communists.

                      Soviet Ukraine.
                    55. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 23 March 2021 19: 17
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      tens of millions of Russians. could not. did not want to defend their Russian world. against tens of thousands of Bolsheviks.

                      Then it never occurred to anyone how it would end.
                      Quote: apro
                      Soviet Ukraine.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Once again, whatever you call it, but there were no Ukraine or the Ukrainian SSR, that is, it was created by the Communists.
                    56. apro
                      apro 23 March 2021 19: 25
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Then it never occurred to anyone how it would end.

                      It means that there was nothing Russian in my head. And they were able to abandon the Russian world at once.
                      Hien has no questions for the Communists. We did everything right.
                    57. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 24 March 2021 19: 50
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      So there was nothing Russian in my head

                      There was a comrade Mauser, for those who had it.
                      Quote: apro
                      Hien has no questions for the Communists. We did everything right.

                      That is, you acknowledge that it was the communists who created Ukraine and they are responsible for all the consequences of this.
                    58. apro
                      apro 25 March 2021 00: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      There was a comrade Mauser, for those who had

                      And the Russians have tanks and planes and the best Cossack cavalry and the best Russian military minds.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      and they are responsible for all the consequences of this.

                      And who at that moment could challenge their decisions ???
                    59. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 25 March 2021 06: 01
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      And the Russians have tanks and planes and the best Cossack cavalry

                      Do you think that Budyonny's cavalry army was made up of peasants who had only plowed on horses before? The same Cossacks. And the rest was also.
                      Quote: apro
                      And who at that moment could challenge their decisions ???

                      Those were eliminated. However, with the fact that
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Ukraine was created by the communists and they are responsible for all the consequences of this

                      don't argue anymore.
                    60. apro
                      apro 25 March 2021 06: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Do you think

                      Dear, I know that the number of Bolsheviks was 20 thousand plus or minus, and the Russian Orthodox people were 130 miles, and then the question arises how? How did the Russians love Russia that they loved so well ..
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Those were eliminated.

                      That is, having a colossal advantage over the Bolsheviks in numbered.in organizational and financial opportunities.were not able to prove their case ??? Is it Russian ???
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      don't argue anymore.

                      And why argue Soviet Ukraine was in the interests of the communists. All the end of the phrase. And there is no one to whom the communists are not responsible. They have the support of the majority in the territories.
                    61. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 25 March 2021 09: 43
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Dear, I know that the number of Bolsheviks was 20 thousand

                      An organized minority governs a disorganized majority.
                      Quote: apro
                      is it russian

                      That is, you yourself assert that the Bolsheviks are not Russian ?!
                      Quote: apro
                      And why argue Soviet Ukraine met the interests of the communists. That's the end of the phrase. And there is no one to whom the Communists are not responsible.

                      Then why did you write that it was created by the "bourgeois"
                      Quote: apro
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: apro
                      purposefully separating our people. to please the bourgeoisie

                      So it was the bourgeois who created Ukraine?

                      I have no doubts.
                    62. apro
                      apro 25 March 2021 10: 48
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      An organized minority rules an unorganized majority

                      And you mean the Russians ... there are no words. How can you protect the Russian world ??? Uncle Vasya will be. Or the Russians have scored on the Russian world. Or are they not capable of organizing?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Then why did you write that it was created by the "bourgeois"

                      And just how many were the Hetman Skoropadsky and Petlyura. And the Reds fought with them. And they had states. Ukraine is called. And when the Reds won, they called their Ukraine Soviet. Do not jump over. Not beautiful.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, you yourself assert that the Bolsheviks are not Russian ?!

                      They are not representatives of the Russian world. They made the Soviet civilization. There is a big difference.
                    63. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 25 March 2021 11: 39
                      -1
                      Quote: apro
                      And this is you talking about the Russian ... no slov.kak how ???

                      That is, this fact is unknown to you?
                      Quote: apro
                      And how many were the Hetman Skoropadsky and Petliura.

                      Who physically did not have time to do anything, unlike the Bolsheviks, who implemented this project.
                      Quote: apro
                      They are not representatives of the Russian world. They made the Soviet civilization. There is a big difference.

                      That is, the Soviet project is an anti-Russian project?
                      Notice I didn't say that.
                    64. apro
                      apro 25 March 2021 11: 50
                      -1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, this fact is unknown to you?

                      I did not understand your thought. The fact is that 20 thousand communists defeated 130 miles russkih. This is your version of events. That says about the inability of Russians to organize state construction. About the inferiority of the Russian world. Do I understand you correctly ???

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Who physically did not have time to do anything,

                      Understood. We passed by here. But for some reason the Reds finished fighting with them only by the end of 1920. And so yes, nothing happened. Except for 3 years of war. What do you mean I don’t understand?, Or don’t know, or you are misleading.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, the Soviet project is an anti-Russian project?
                      Notice I didn't say that.

                      And I do not hide it. And I agree completely. Modite to watch my comments.
                    65. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 25 March 2021 15: 55
                      -2
                      Quote: apro
                      the fact is that 20 thousand communists won

                      That is, you do not deny the fact that they came to power by fooling the population with beautiful slogans.
                      Quote: apro
                      they ended the war with them only by the end of 1920, and so yes, there was nothing except 3 years of war

                      What's wrong with them? And there was no one else? And yes, three years of war is not the creation of a non-existent people.
                      Quote: apro
                      And I do not hide it. And I agree completely

                      Well, don't be surprised then that no one in Russia needs it anymore.
                    66. apro
                      apro 25 March 2021 21: 32
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, you do not deny the fact that they came to power by fooling the population with beautiful slogans.

                      Already being fooled.normalno.that is, again, the question is: why were the Russians weak in their Russian faith ??? did not believe in the Russian world? And how can you fool such intelligent and organized people?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      What's with them?

                      Again, 20 thousand and 130 million how in this situation the Russians merged their Russian world. I do not understand. It is both fair and economically viable and promises a better future for the Russian people, which is fully confirmed by today.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      So don't be surprised

                      Another thing surprises me. Today, the communist project is remembered much more often than the Russian one, and its destruction as a time of lost perspectives. Today, 30 years after its destruction, it is constantly being fought with, carrying out countless decommunisations, de-Stalinization and renovation, optimization, market reforms, and the end of this struggle. not visible. although with whom to fight ????
                    67. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 26 March 2021 18: 49
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Already fooled.Normalno.That is again the question.What were the Russians weak in their Russian faith ???

                      How many millions of communists were there in 1991? Why were they so weak in their communist faith? Didn't believe in communism? And how can you fool such smart and organized people? How, in this situation, the communists merged their Soviet world I do not understand, it is both "fair" and "economically expedient", and "promises a better future"?
                      Quote: apro
                      the communist project is remembered today
                      basically those who have not seen any USSR in the eyes and judge it in the same way as in the USSR itself judged the United States.
                    68. apro
                      apro 26 March 2021 22: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      How many millions of communists were there in 1991?

                      Jumping over again ??? the conversation is about the Russians.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      mostly those who have not seen any USSR in their eyes

                      Yes, only the Russian Federation lives today at the expense of the legacy of the USSR. And it seemed 30 years have passed. The passage should be dizzying.
                    69. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 27 March 2021 07: 02
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Jumping over again ??? the conversation is about the Russians.
                      That is, there is nothing to answer?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      How many millions of communists were there in 1991? Why were they so weak in their communist faith? Didn't believe in communism? And how can you fool such smart and organized people? How, in this situation, the communists merged their Soviet world I do not understand, it is both "fair" and "economically expedient", and "promises a better future"?

                      Quote: apro
                      Yes, only the Russian Federation lives today due to the legacy of the USSR

                      And the USSR appeared from scratch?
                    70. apro
                      apro 27 March 2021 07: 53
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, there is nothing to answer?

                      Yes, there is something, but I would like to hear about the Russians ...
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And the USSR appeared from scratch?

                      No, in an empty territory, and modernization had to start from scratch and in all directions, from the education of the population to the creation of new industries.
                    71. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 27 March 2021 08: 34
                      -1
                      Quote: apro
                      Yes, there is something, but I would like about the Russians

                      Quote: apro
                      That is, you do not deny the fact that they came to power by fooling the population with beautiful slogans.

                      And I would like to hear
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      How many millions of communists were there in 1991? Why were they so weak in their communist faith? Didn't believe in communism? And how can you fool such smart and organized people? How, in this situation, the communists merged their Soviet world I do not understand, it is both "fair" and "economically expedient", and "promises a better future"?

                      Quote: apro
                      No. In empty territory

                      That is, at the expense of RI.
                    72. apro
                      apro 27 March 2021 08: 53
                      -1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, you do not deny the fact that they came to power by fooling the population with beautiful slogans.

                      I didn’t understand why these prejudices ??? and how it is possible to fool the Russians, who had a solid state and religious ideology, a powerful state apparatus, which controlled all the mass media, a magnificent army, which did not take Berlin and Vienna, which relied so much on Russian capital. effectively solving the problems of the Russian world. ???
                      Once again, the communists are 20 thousand Russians 130 mil.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, at the expense of RI

                      As I understand it, a complete electrification was carried out in ri, an advanced industry was created, a general education was created, a highly productive agriculture was created, a public health service was created, and the communists who seized power did not have to do anything. Or the gold was left and not plundered? What does it mean at the expense?
                    73. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 27 March 2021 10: 04
                      -1
                      Quote: apro
                      Why are these prejudices ??? and how can you fool

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      How many millions of communists were there in 1991? Why were they so weak in their communist faith? Didn't believe in communism? And how can you fool such smart and organized people? How, in this situation, the communists merged their Soviet world I do not understand, it is both "fair" and "economically expedient", and "promises a better future"?

                      Quote: apro
                      As I understand it

                      That the USSR appeared from scratch and took all the resources out of thin air? For the purchase of the same industry?
                    74. apro
                      apro 27 March 2021 11: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That the USSR appeared from scratch and took all the resources out of thin air? For the purchase of the same industry?

                      Once again, on an empty territory after the civil war, he took resources not out of thin air, but distributing the country's national income in favor of the majority, and solving the problem of speedy modernization. In order to increase the efficiency of the economy, yes, there was an export of raw materials and grain. income. and in the development of the country. in contrast to the Russian economy. and with the advent of industrial products, it was sold.
                      I understand. On my question you have nothing to answer ??? what happens.
                      Now about the situation in 1991, the cessation of the construction of communist society took place at the turn of 1953 1956, bourgeois elements were introduced into the theory of communist construction, and by that time the party leadership began to replace the state by introducing the thesis about the infallibility of the party and introducing party decisions into the ranks of state decisions.
                      In addition, the creation of the bulk of the population was still peasant and did not correspond to the tasks of an industrial society, and the simplification of the educational level, the solution of the problem by a mass scale, pushed peasant leaders out of this environment in terms of worldview.
                      The coup of 1991 was being prepared for a long time. It was imposing a philistinism and a petty-bourgeois outlook on life, and the artificially created material difficulties contributed to distrust in communist attitudes.
                    75. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 27 March 2021 12: 04
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Once again in an empty territory after the civil war

                      That is, there was nothing, but there was the Sahara Desert?
                      I understand. On my question you have nothing to answer? What happens.
                      Quote: apro
                      the cessation of the construction of communist society occurred at the turn of 1953 1956
                      That is, it turns out that the communists in the USSR did not know the theory of communism from the very beginning?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      How many millions of communists were there in 1991? Why were they so weak in their communist faith? Didn't believe in communism? And how can you fool such smart and organized people? How, in this situation, the communists merged their Soviet world I do not understand, it is both "fair" and "economically expedient", and "promises a better future"?
                    76. apro
                      apro 27 March 2021 12: 18
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, there was nothing, but there was the Sahara Desert?

                      Worse. Sometimes shot.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      I understand. On my question you have nothing to answer? What happens.

                      I always have something to answer. Unlike some.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, it turns out that the communists in the USSR did not know the theory of communism from the very beginning?

                      Finding solutions does not always lead to a positive result.
                      So about Russia, what ??? why did the Russians merge it ???
                    77. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 27 March 2021 14: 26
                      -1
                      Quote: apro
                      Worse. Sometimes shot.
                      Uh?
                      Quote: apro
                      So what about Russia ???

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      How many millions of communists were there in 1991? Why were they so weak in their communist faith? Didn't believe in communism? And how can you fool such smart and organized people? How, in this situation, the communists merged their Soviet world I do not understand, it is both "fair" and "economically expedient", and "promises a better future"?

                      Quote: apro
                      Finding solutions does not always lead to a positive result.

                      What is the solution? Either they knew or they didn't.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, it turns out that the communists in the USSR did not know the theory of communism from the very beginning?
                    78. apro
                      apro 27 March 2021 14: 37
                      0
                      Equilibrist. I understand.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: apro
                      So what about Russia ???
                    79. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 27 March 2021 16: 16
                      -1
                      Quote: apro
                      Equilibrist

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      How many millions of communists were there in 1991? Why were they so weak in their communist faith? Didn't believe in communism? And how can you fool such smart and organized people? How, in this situation, the communists merged their Soviet world I do not understand, it is both "fair" and "economically expedient", and "promises a better future"?
                    80. apro
                      apro 27 March 2021 16: 47
                      +1
                      Understood. I will not hear. Good luck.
                    81. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 27 March 2021 18: 03
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      I will not hear an answer

                      The answer is given
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      How many millions of communists were there in 1991? Why were they so weak in their communist faith? Didn't believe in communism? And how can you fool such smart and organized people? How, in this situation, the communists merged their Soviet world I do not understand, it is both "fair" and "economically expedient", and "promises a better future"?
                    82. apro
                      apro 28 March 2021 02: 57
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      The answer is given

                      And what does that have to do with 1917 ???
                    83. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 28 March 2021 07: 05
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      And what relation is it
                      Explain and understand. Analogy, s.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      How many millions of communists were there in 1991? Why were they so weak in their communist faith? Didn't believe in communism? And how can you fool such smart and organized people? How, in this situation, the communists merged their Soviet world I do not understand, it is both "fair" and "economically expedient", and "promises a better future"?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 March 2021 15: 31
    0
    Quote: apro
    So they didn't say anything about Crimea either ...

    And what to say, here you ask the Crimeans, they will answer you. There are many of them on the site.
    1. gurzuf
      gurzuf 11 March 2021 15: 59
      +3
      And what is there to rumble. We're home. And thank God!
  • antivirus
    antivirus 11 March 2021 15: 58
    0
    how they decided about the Crimea-Bandera went to kill.
    ON APRIL 16 D arrived 2 PEOPLE from Dzhankoy. BUY A MACHINE (ENGINE OVERHEATED)
    -what did before the referendum. how did you live?
    - nothing. any hunting cartridges bought

    did not allow to kill several tens of thousands of Crimeans
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 11 March 2021 15: 02
    +1
    You can, of course, sort out all the false nonsense of the Deputy Prime Minister, point by point and suggestion, and prove his falsity. But why? After all, and so it is clear to all reasonable people that the frail hysterical Bandera-pro-Western government of Ukraine is unusually weak, staggering and herself frightened of everything and destroys Ukraine. And federalization and joining the Russian Federation are not the main goals of Russia, but of Ukraine. Moreover, both the goal and salvation. VERY funny about the "powerful Ukrainian army", which is poorly trained, poorly armed with old stuff, is not at all motivated.
    And Moscow understands the lying hucksters of Kiev, and knows perfectly well what they are capable of!
    1. apro
      apro 11 March 2021 15: 06
      -6
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      And federalization and joining the Russian Federation is the main goal not of Russia, but of Ukraine.

      Yes ... that's a pearl. Now Bandera themselves want.
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      And Moscow understands the lying hucksters of Kiev, and knows perfectly well what they are capable of!

      As well as the Russian deceitful huckster ... these two boots of a pair, that they do not break, they will spoil ...
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 11 March 2021 15: 23
        +2
        Sorry, of course, but I was talking about reasonable of people! smile
        1. apro
          apro 11 March 2021 15: 24
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          Sorry, of course, but I was talking about reasonable of people! smile

          Reasonable people, and this side of the conflict is disappearing, and they do not solve anything.
  • frruc
    frruc 11 March 2021 15: 41
    -2
    Who wanted you? Do not make me laugh.
  • mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 11 March 2021 13: 32
    +12
    Did he understand what he said?
    Someone has intimidated someone, and someone stands behind someone and is too tough for him against the one behind whom someone else stands ...
    Oh, bolt brain disease.
    Why should the Russian Federation give the Armed Forces to the teeth? The latter will so scatter if troops enter from the Russian Federation.
    And the decision-making centers in Ukraine by that time will already be smoking ... What kind of teeth are there?
    I do not think that our people will go on a liberation campaign, but I think they will support the LDNR somehow. The north wind is like that! As soon as it blows, the house breaks ...
    1. pyagomail.ru
      pyagomail.ru 11 March 2021 15: 46
      +3
      Quote: mojohed2012
      I do not think that our people will go on a liberation campaign, but I think they will support the LDNR somehow.

      I completely agree: we will help the LDNR within the administrative boundaries of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions, and we don’t need to take the whole of Ukraine. We will have to pay all Ukrainian debts to the West, restore the industry, along the way re-educating entire generations.
  • Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 11 March 2021 13: 35
    -18%
    What is the post about Ukraine today?
    Is Ukraine going into the trends of RosSMI again?
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 11 March 2021 13: 53
      +17
      Is Ukraine going into the trends of RosSMI again?
      ... yes, in principle, the country is no longer like that. there is only a thieving Kiev junta with a shitty population .... the only thing is not clear what the hohlobuses here on VO have forgotten about the great kobzar Taras Grigorievich Shevchenko ... he probably served as a recruit in Ingushetia ... about the Fukushima nuclear power plant, .. today is the anniversary of how 10 years the plant in the sea is sowing - okeyan throws out radioactive lino tons per second ... wow
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      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 11 March 2021 14: 07
        +2
        Crimean partisan, you probably the Ukrainians, from this site, on the sly and put cons. But I immediately put an end to this mess - I gave you a "+".)
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 11 March 2021 14: 13
          +5
          You are probably Ukrainians, from this site, on the sly cons
          ....... ATP for understanding the question Nikolayevich .. nevertheless, I am purple on the minuses ... I don’t put them in principle, even thoroughly stubborn ... as for the minusers themselves, they consider sending them to the ban-list its incredible ability to tighten the interlocutor to get personal ... so I am savvy in this matter having visited a couple of times in the VO in the bath
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 11 March 2021 14: 22
            +1
            I also went to the bathhouse, I visited it.) But I'm not particularly upset.)
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 11 March 2021 14: 57
              +4
              But I'm not particularly upset.)
              ...... that's right, sometimes it's even useful ... it so happens that communication on VO with interesting people delays harming household chores ...
              ...... and on the topic of the article ... de facto federalization has already begun, de jure it will begin when the law on the sale of land to foreigners comes into force
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 11 March 2021 15: 09
                -1
                I don’t know why they are so afraid of selling the land. Land is the same commodity as everything else. There are also pluses. There are also downsides. Well, they will plow for a foreigner. And what's wrong with that? There will certainly not be more humiliations than from their "lords". Moreover, they are all accustomed to working for the Europeans. This is what they call "independence".
                Speaking of "de facto federalization of WNA", what did you mean?
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 11 March 2021 15: 36
            +1
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            oh, they consider sending to the ban-list their incredible ability to drag out the interlocutor to get personal ... so I'm savvy in this business after visiting the VO a couple of times in the bath

            The usual practice of ghouls from in / on.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 11 March 2021 15: 47
              +4
              The usual practice of ghouls from in / on.
              ..... yes, what can you do ... youthful acne will not go away yet ... and maybe they will not go down ... well, education reform is on the nose ... their fathers will have fun ... tin ...
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 11 March 2021 16: 29
                +1
                Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                youthful acne will not go away yet ... and maybe never will go away,

                These "wanting people" are just coming off, and they have acne, already like calluses on the heel.
                1. Crimean partisan 1974
                  Crimean partisan 1974 11 March 2021 16: 41
                  +1
                  This "wantchiks" only go ... not everyone goes, but only those who have a natural libido .... and for perverts only scars from pimples remain ... such is the physiology of homosapiens ..... as a cliché on statehood ..... sorry for the population vnau. but they themselves dug up such happiness, there was no reason to gaster around the world, and to look out in a row when scum wet everyone on the street in succession
    2. Volodin
      Volodin 11 March 2021 14: 13
      +10
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      What is the post about Ukraine today?
      Is Ukraine going into the trends of RosSMI again?

      Oh ... the main Moldovan specialist in counting the number of publications about Ukraine in RosSMI? Ukraine has never left these "trends", because it is a matter of Russia's national security, which (security) they are trying to undermine due to the collision of the heads of the two peoples by the forces of corrupt officials. And you know that very well.
    3. VORON538
      VORON538 11 March 2021 14: 53
      +1
      Yes, everything would be fine, but in your Ukraine they speak on two topics every day, judging by your media: about Russia and about the United States, sometimes Ukrainian topics also flicker there, but so, occasionally wassat
  • Baloo
    Baloo 11 March 2021 13: 37
    +5
    Another giant of thought, he scares himself with horror stories. Who needs Ukraine with its debts and ruined economy? even the legalization of prostitution will no longer save her. Consumable in the confrontation between the West and Russia. Don't want to be friends with us? Well, and ... by the forest to the cashier. China is more likely to absorb Ukraine than Russia. And what, they will build greenhouses, dirtied all the land with fertilizers and chemicals, cut down the forest under the cries of the people about European identity and the desire to join NATO. laughing
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 11 March 2021 13: 42
      +4
      Quote: Balu
      And what, they will build greenhouses, dirtied all the land with fertilizers and chemicals, cut down the forest under the screams of Svidomo about European identity and the desire to join NATO.

      Oh, this is waiting for them without China.
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 11 March 2021 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: Balu
      and the desire to become a member of NATO.

      Rather, NATO will enter Ukraine ... well, yes, yes, this very way. laughing hi
    3. orionvitt
      orionvitt 11 March 2021 14: 03
      +5
      Quote: Balu
      Who needs Ukraine

      Well, all that is certainly not needed, what is now called Ukraine is not the same. There is a true Ukraine (zapadenschina), so-so Ukraine (center). And not at all Ukraine (southeast). And Kiev, has always been a Russian city, it is now dirtied.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 11 March 2021 14: 34
        -3
        Just the Kiev region-Cherkasy region is the true Ukraine-Little Russia.
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 11 March 2021 14: 51
          +2
          Quote: Sergej1972
          true Ukraine-Little Russia

          Initially, the concept of Ukraine (Ukrainians) in the current sense, arose in the western regions towards the end of the 19th century. Kiev region and Cherkasy region, was assigned to Ukraine, already under the Bolsheviks. Do not confuse Ukraine and Little Russia, they are somewhat different things.
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 11 March 2021 16: 34
          0
          what is true Little Russia
    4. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 11 March 2021 14: 04
      +1
      Legalizing prostitution can and will save you. If we make a house of tolerance in every house. So let them "work off" the debts of the EU. The "instrument" that remained from the former industrial Ukrainian SSR.
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 March 2021 15: 41
      0
      Quote: Balu
      And what, they will build greenhouses, pollute all the lands with fertilizers and chemicals,

      Yes, for more than 10 years, they have been contaminating the earth with greenhouses with chemistry, so soon the earth will not be "alive" either.
    6. hydrox
      hydrox 11 March 2021 17: 30
      0
      As for "entering NATO", the GDP has only to bark, so Stoltenberg will immediately make a puddle - and this is the smallest trouble that can happen to him. laughing
  • APASUS
    APASUS 11 March 2021 13: 40
    +16
    You stupid naive boy! Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Oleksiy Reznikov did not understand that the question is, by and large, who will feed the 35 million population of Ukraine. It is not for nothing that the entire collective West fights for the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine.
    After all, it is already clear with the naked eye that the country is sinking and it is the West that will be forced to support the country.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 11 March 2021 14: 01
      +4
      At this point, as they say, "who feeds Ukraine, he dances it." Let's leave this "happiness" to the West. Moreover, the Ukrainians themselves screamed about their "Europeanness" Baba with a cart - a mare - easier.
    2. dauria
      dauria 11 March 2021 14: 02
      +9
      the question is, by and large, who will feed the 35 mil population of Ukraine


      What a shortsightedness ... When did these governments feed the population, and even 35 million? Usually the population feeds both itself and a whole bunch of really necessary people. From a doctor, teacher, military man, police officer to the president. What is there in Ukraine, mass famine? There is famine in Ethiopia, but they live and even have ministers.
      Russia in the 14th year lost not just a piece of its land, but even with the infrastructure and people. She lost to the enemy a militarily vital bridgehead. And in vain do you hope that the enemy will give up the bridgehead or, even funnier, will feed the local population. The Ukrainians will be "milk-eggs"
      give away .
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 11 March 2021 15: 18
        0
        Quote: dauria
        What a shortsightedness ... When did these governments feed the population, and even 35 million? Usually the population feeds both itself and a whole bunch of really necessary people. From doctor, teacher, military man, policeman to president.

        And what about private medicine, army, education, police, private tax, customs and border troops in Ukraine?
        The state only cuts coupons from the population.
        Quote: dauria
        There is famine in Ethiopia, but they live and even have ministers.

        There is no submarine fleet in Ukraine, but there is a submarine operations planning headquarters and that this is an indicator, the presence of a minister
        Quote: dauria
        Russia in the 14th year lost not just a piece of its land, but even with the infrastructure and people. She lost a militarily vital bridgehead to the enemy

        I haven't lost yet. Why is there an attack on the language and on the industry? If you have to give up what would be a scorched field. So the West is not sure of its strength.
    3. orionvitt
      orionvitt 11 March 2021 14: 57
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      The West will be forced to support the country

      It’s even funny. Whom did the West ever contain? Rob, rob, profit from resources, yes. They can pretend to look anxious, shake angrily with their little hands from international tribunes in defense of democracy, talk for a long time about their "love" for different peoples, but contain them? Sorry, it never happened, and it never will. In addition, in the very west a strong kirdyk is coming, they themselves would somehow survive.
      1. dauria
        dauria 11 March 2021 15: 44
        0
        in the very west a strong kirdyk is coming, they themselves would somehow survive.

        Well, you overdid it. It's a long way to "survive", and "kirdyk" is not for everything, but only for the usual standard of living with social benefits. There will be riots, because the people there are organized by the trade unions. But not more. It will settle at a new level. This is our population, toothless because of socialism, turned out to be without "immunity". So they use it without much fear.
        By the way, an interesting new form of social organization is "post-Soviet capitalism". The monopolies of industry and capital already exist as in the 20th, and the proletariat is at the level of the 17th century. laughing
        And after all in China the same thing ... It will also make itself felt.
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 11 March 2021 17: 19
          +1
          Quote: dauria
          because the people there are organized by trade unions

          The USSR ended, and the Western trade unions also ended. There is no one to put on my fingers now. In the west, now everything is simple again, as it was before the period of "ostentatious social", which is not satisfied with something, out on the street.
          It's a long way to "survive", and "kirdyk" is not for everything, but only for the usual standard of living with social benefits.
          Come on, not the first time. I remember they had a "great depression", and something about several million died of hunger. Tell me it was long ago, and so what? History is a cyclical thing. If something happened once, be sure to repeat it, if not exactly, then it is very similar. Or, to put it another way, if something happens, it means that something similar has already happened. Even so, even so, nothing new (except computers), mankind over the past hundred (thousand) years has not come up with.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 11 March 2021 17: 52
          -2
          Quote: dauria
          By the way, an interesting new form of social organization is "post-Soviet capitalism".

          This is not a form, it is a period of time (time period) in which there was a transitional form of economic functioning, which is influenced by striped sanctions.
          The United States will mobilize ALL its capabilities in order to record this period of development of the Russian economy and individual excesses can be expected, but they will not be catastrophic if only because the United States, trying to overwhelm Russia, does not want to plan for the turbulence into which the States themselves are going to fall.
          Therefore, Russia will still be able to make any gestures to rectify the situation, but the States will only be able to go with the flow.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 March 2021 15: 42
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Oleksiy Reznikov did not understand that the question is, by and large, in who will feed the 35 mil population of Ukraine

      Here, no federation or confederation will help, solid Chernobyl.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 March 2021 13: 40
    +3
    Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister: Russia's goal is federalization, split, then the absorption of Ukraine as in 1917

    Even if someone thinks so, what is this?
    There are a lot of different dummies around!
    Officially, someone stated it, is it spelled out in an official document ???
    This means that the uncle can shove his thoughts in the same place where the previous ones were poisoned.
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 March 2021 14: 08
      +3
      Vitya! hi and wasn’t Russia created them at 17?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 March 2021 14: 14
        +2
        Hello Roman soldier
        Russia has created a lot ... this is not an argument for everyone now. Spit on the creators, they have such fun ... but they amuse themselves for the time being, until they squander everything that Russia has given them.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 11 March 2021 15: 45
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Russia has created a lot ... this is not an argument for everyone now.

          They were created, but they did not understand it. Yes, and it seems they do not want to understand.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 March 2021 15: 52
            0
            They themselves do not recognize, but you can shake the recognition by the breasts, they don’t do it here, and will they be able / will ???
    2. cniza
      cniza 11 March 2021 15: 49
      +2
      Quote: rocket757

      Even if someone thinks so, what is this?


      It's bad when education is driven into a political framework, hence such pearls ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 March 2021 15: 56
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        It's bad when education is driven into a political framework, hence such pearls ...

        These were taught the main thing, remember and perform one task ... they are not supposed to think.
        The "banquet" is paid for, they will "walk" to the end ... which, it is clear what they will succeed, let's see ... although it was long ago to disperse the "revelers".
        1. cniza
          cniza 11 March 2021 16: 01
          +2
          They didn't have a long walk, although everything is relative ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 March 2021 16: 03
            +2
            Delov have already done and are doing, they are still molding. Then there will be a big ambush.
            1. cniza
              cniza 11 March 2021 16: 22
              +3
              They do not think about it, or rather they try not to think about it, so they are hitting all the hard ...
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 11 March 2021 13: 46
    +8
    Funny, Russia in 1917 "swallowed up" something that never existed? And here again? laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 March 2021 16: 04
      0
      Quote: akarfoxhound
      Funny, Russia in 1917 "swallowed up" something that never existed? And here again?


      What can be federalized? If there is practically nothing Ukrainian, only some small piece, like before 1654, of a dependent territory. And the rest is all Russian. If Russia wants it, then it will take it on legal grounds.
  • tatra
    tatra 11 March 2021 13: 47
    +2
    After the seizure of the USSR, the "great myth-makers" - the enemies of the Communists, piled anti-Soviet and Russophobic myths "cart and little cart", including the myth that the Soviet republics captured by them existed in the form of separate States before the October Revolution, and the Bolsheviks occupied these States.
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 11 March 2021 13: 55
      -9
      -Enemies of the communists after the capture of the USSR

  • U-58
    U-58 11 March 2021 13: 49
    +1
    To intimidate is, in general, understandable.
    But who is scared there at the same time?
    It seems to me that only the power structures, and a handful of Bandera members in the West itself.
    I believe that the villagers do not care at all.
    There are khataskrayniks everywhere.
    The cities will only be happy.
    So fear has a very limited circulation ..
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 March 2021 16: 09
      -2
      Quote: U-58
      To intimidate is, in general, understandable.
      But who is scared there at the same time?

      Well, probably the most scary is for those who scare. My neighbor has a small dog, smaller than my cat, when he sits in a bag, he barks, but shakes from fear.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 11 March 2021 13: 53
    +4
    The good thing about Ukrainian politicians is that you always know what to expect from them. If they open their mouths, then they will surely either blatantly lie, or they will voice such nonsense that does not fit into any gate. laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 March 2021 16: 11
      0
      Quote: orionvitt
      The good thing about Ukrainian politicians is that you always know what to expect from them.

      Because they all hatched from the same incubator, (or maybe they have already begun to clone?)
      1. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima 11 March 2021 17: 04
        0
        There may be only one incubator, but the food is clearly different, so they not only fight with us, but also squabble among themselves for their independent feeding trough.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 March 2021 13: 58
    +5
    Splitting is necessary. And why "capture"? After all, there is devastation and poverty. There is nowhere money to do with it?)
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 March 2021 14: 09
      +6
      who was split there? they were created by grandfather Lenin from pieces of Russian
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 11 March 2021 14: 11
        +2
        I do not argue. True, they are already all the monuments, they pushed Lenin off the pedestals. Savages.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 11 March 2021 15: 13
          +4
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          I do not argue. True,they are all monuments, they have pushed Lenin off the pedestals. Savages.

          That is precisely why the revenge of Vladimir Ilyich will be realized through the collapse of this under-state. In vain they disturbed him yes
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 11 March 2021 14: 04
    +2
    The funny thing is that for this Russia - absolutely nothing needs to be done
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 11 March 2021 15: 04
      +3
      Quote: Cowbra
      The funny thing is that for this Russia - absolutely nothing needs to be done

      The classic is:
      1. Support Ukraine in all its political endeavors.
      2. Wait.
      3. Do not laugh.

      The third point is traditionally the most difficult. smile
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 March 2021 16: 15
      0
      Quote: Cowbra
      The funny thing is that for this Russia - absolutely nothing needs to be done

      Well, why help someone who already has his head stuck in a noose. He can handle it on his own without anyone's help.
  • businessv
    businessv 11 March 2021 14: 07
    +4
    Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister: Russia's goal is federalization, split, then the absorption of Ukraine as in 1917
    An interesting statement from another d @ beat from the Square! He knows that in 1917 the state of Ukraine did not exist ?!
  • Svarog
    Svarog 11 March 2021 14: 10
    -3
    Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister: Russia's goal is federalization, split, then the absorption of Ukraine as in 1917

    It would be nice if there was such a goal. But the problem is that there is no such goal. Nobody is going to swallow Ukraine and nobody will allow it. Here Donbass would be gladly returned .. only so that you don't lose face ..
  • knn54
    knn54 11 March 2021 14: 21
    0
    Lawyer. He worked with real estate, with land.
    Personally, I automatically dislike such people.
  • jncnfdybr
    jncnfdybr 11 March 2021 14: 24
    +1
    Well, I do not. This is what Western leaders want so much. Someone needs to feed Ukraine.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 March 2021 16: 19
      +1
      Quote: jncnfdybr
      Someone needs to feed Ukraine.

      Therefore, the West is screaming - "Russia, do not stop the transit of gas through Ukraine, otherwise they will die of hunger!"
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 March 2021 14: 37
    0
    In the case of Ukraine, federalization (or, alternatively, autonomization according to the Spanish-Italian model), on the contrary, is a means of preserving the country.
    1. iouris
      iouris 11 March 2021 14: 46
      +2
      Who needs this country? That's who needs it, he should keep it. So who is this?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 11 March 2021 16: 22
        0
        Quote: iouris
        Who needs this country? That's who needs it, he should keep it. So who is this?

        Well, just not good Martians with dollar-denominated suitcases and sacks of bacon. - "The rescue of the drowning is the work of the drowning themselves!"
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 11 March 2021 17: 19
        +1
        Probably to the people of this country themselves, if they want to preserve it.
        1. iouris
          iouris 11 March 2021 20: 03
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Probably to the inhabitants of this country themselves

          Where do these "residents" influence politics?
  • nikolaj1703
    nikolaj1703 11 March 2021 14: 44
    +2
    What to absorb? The land is depleted, the people scattered, there were only crooks (lovers of freebies). In one word, THERE IS NOTHING TO CATCH!
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 11 March 2021 14: 49
    +1
    = After all, the main goal of Russia is supposedly federalization, split and absorption of Ukraine =
    I still don't understand what Russia wants? Federalization? This will be the case if the Minsk agreements are fulfilled, I agree. Split? Isn't Ukraine split?
    It is split along linguistic, political, ideological, and religious lines. And it is the current government and its predecessors who are to blame for this split. Split Ukraine with the help of "friends" from the West. Absorption? What for? Russia will be satisfied with federalization. It will be cheaper for Russia.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 11 March 2021 15: 05
    +4
    then the absorption of Ukraine as in 1917
    gorgeously swallowed
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 11 March 2021 15: 11
    +3

    Something like this
    1. iouris
      iouris 11 March 2021 20: 04
      -1
      Helped: became a "people's deputy".
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 11 March 2021 15: 23
    +2
    After all, the main goal of Russia is allegedly federalization, split and absorption of Ukraine as in 1917.
    Damn it reminds me so-Well, take me !!! ..or as Vova Zelensky asked Putin - Well, at least take me for the debts !!! - Only they do not completely say this mantra - Take us away, we lost everything ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 March 2021 16: 26
      0
      Quote: Fitter65
      Damn it reminds me so-Well, take me !!! ..or as Vova Zelensky asked Putin- Well, at least take me for the debts !!!
      Choose me, choose me The bird of happiness of tomorrow!
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 11 March 2021 15: 27
    0
    Quote: Cowbra

    Something like this

    The joke is what. a man with an obvious mental disorder, walking in front of the line, dressed in a camouflage "flight technical", which is wearing some kind of "tsigeika" and on his head is a ceremonial cap from the times of the USSR. fool fool
    1. kit88
      kit88 11 March 2021 16: 42
      +9

      Cap. Standard Ukrainian Air Force.

      If he walks in a cap, although the formation is in hats, it means he moves "out of order." Either the commander, or hell from the hillock.
      Jacket.

      US Air Force "pilot" jacket from Aliexpress.
      In the hands of a mobile for coordinating actions.

      Probably America is in touch, but for some reason "aid is delayed."
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 12 March 2021 00: 07
        +1
        Quote: kit88
        Cap. Standard Ukrainian Air Force.

        The cap is a standard parade cap of the USSR Air Force, only Ukrainian cockades.
        Quote: kit88
        US Air Force "pilot" jacket from Aliexpress.

        Well, I say - it's not clear what kind of quilted jacket ...
        Quote: kit88
        One walks in a cap, although the ranks in hats

        Half of the "building" some in hats, some in caps - in one word the crowd ...
    2. DWG1905
      DWG1905 11 March 2021 17: 25
      0
      In some ways, Alyosha Reznikov is right (I wonder when he will be led to the ravine, he will probably shout that I am my Russian). But these are emotions. And so everything is not necessary, the left bank and that under Catherine they cut. Kiev must be abandoned, although it is a pity for Vasilkov, he studied there. Kiev is not needed, in vain at one time they bought from the Poles, one hemorrhoids because of this. As soon as you crossed the line - the Dnieper, move on to the next Carpathians, this is not reasonable. And Ukraine is a canned food, maybe it will come in handy before the elections, because achievements are needed? And our strategy is blitzkrieg, resources are scarce. The main thing is to have parts of constant readiness and technical means to quickly transfer them where necessary, well, of course, means to take out communications, air defense, etc. etc. Regarding the Crimea, the General Staff always writes plans, outlines and preliminary calculations of forces and means are needed. And that there were no lengthy preparatory measures, so their holding is a reconnaissance sign. And it turned out so beautifully in the presence of parts of constant readiness and transport capabilities. It is not for nothing that BTA wants to have more than 200 zil (IL-76). Everything has its time.
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 11 March 2021 17: 50
      0
      Quote: Fitter65
      The joke is what. a man with an obvious mental disorder, walking in front of the line, dressed in a camouflage "flight technical", which is wearing some kind of "tsigeika" and on his head is a ceremonial cap from the times of the USSR.

      this is not 2014, when they went to Belbek airport and shouted: America with us? laughing
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 11 March 2021 18: 50
        0
        Exactly, exactly. Technics ... Tsigeiki. And that he was waving the red banner of the unit and at the same time yelling "America is with us" - such as unshielded. There really do not care if he was in shorts - and that would be less funny.
        Although there is still a joke that the day before that they themselves gave up the weapon - voluntarily and with a song, and then they got bolder - the journalists came up. Protect such helpless "defenders of the fatherland"
    4. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 11 March 2021 22: 01
      -2
      Well ... and everyone says that everything is bad in vnaukraine. At least they dressed up Vsushnikov, a little And then they walked like Moscow homeless people.
  • cniza
    cniza 11 March 2021 15: 45
    +2
    He claims that the Kremlin dreams of destroying the statehood of Ukraine, but is afraid of deciding on a full-scale aggression. First, according to Reznikov, this is due to the large-scale support of Kiev by the West. And the second reason is the powerful Ukrainian army, which is allegedly "too tough" for the armed forces of the Russian Federation.


    They live in their own world and it is useless to convince them ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 11 March 2021 15: 59
      +1
      Paid ... they also have no other options, not provided.
      I wanted to say that the people there themselves must stop it all, but ... I can hardly believe it, I don’t know already.
      1. cniza
        cniza 11 March 2021 16: 02
        +1
        Everything is complicated, but on the other hand you can't imagine, but how all this can be resolved is difficult to imagine ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 11 March 2021 16: 05
          +5
          The growing generation is not just mindless, they will already hate everything Russian, at the animal level ... this will be such an ambush, a clinic! no treatment options.
          1. cniza
            cniza 11 March 2021 16: 23
            +3
            There is such a problem, here parents have to make efforts, maybe not everything is so scary ...
  • FeodorY
    FeodorY 11 March 2021 16: 32
    +1
    Quote: iouris
    Russia is already federalized. It remains to absorb.

    It seems that they all survived there crazy, to put it mildly, or they picked up chromosome 17 from Europe, and somehow very sharply. I was there in Kiev in 1984, it seemed like cultural, normal people were. And then one, then another, such nonsense are.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 11 March 2021 16: 34
    0
    Quote: frruc
    First, according to Reznikov, this is due to the large-scale support of Kiev by the West. And the second reason is the powerful Ukrainian army, which is allegedly "too tough" for the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

    Ukraine is a hemorrhoid for Europe, just a sales market and a cheap slave. strength. About the second "inference" one can only modestly keep silent. I can only say one thing: constipation of thoughts and diarrhea of ​​words. fool

    And the more this "crap" will hang in Europe, the better.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 11 March 2021 16: 37
    0
    In fact, a new state has appeared on the political map of the world. Oklahoma lawmakers overwhelmingly passed a bill limiting the force of federal laws and decrees across the state, the State Department mouthpiece told Newsweek.

    HB 1236 will allow the Oklahoma attorney general to review any executive orders, congressional laws, or federal agency rules for violations of the U.S. Constitution. If the attorney general does not object to them, the state legislature can do so by a majority vote.

    The state of Oklahoma has passed legislation that will allow the attorney general and the state legislature to review all federal laws and orders issued by Democratic President Joe Biden for constitutionality.

    https://www.newsweek.com/oklahoma-​house-passed-bill-let-state-declare-bi... laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 11 March 2021 16: 39
    +2
    Oklahoma is a state with a long tradition of separatism, with a strong dislike for the Fashington regime. It was in Oklahoma City that the largest terrorist attack against the feds took place, when veteran patriot Timothy McQuay smashed the Nazi station to the trash, killing hundreds of invaders at once:
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 11 March 2021 18: 29
    0
    Who in a sober mind can have the idea of ​​taking a country or a part of it, inhabited by inadequate madmen? The goal of the neighbors: to lure the labor force to themselves, let the Ukrainians die out and then take empty lands for themselves.
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 11 March 2021 20: 31
    0
    And the second reason is the powerful Ukrainian army

    We saw this army. And in 2014 near Ilovaisk, and in 2015 near Debaltsevo.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 12 March 2021 11: 42
      -1
      For five years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been accumulating strength and training. Against the RF Armed Forces, of course, they will not pull from the word "in any way", but in a month they can try to occupy the entire territory of the LPNR.
      1. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 12 March 2021 17: 15
        0
        Of course they can try. If the "north wind" doesn't blow.
  • Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 11 March 2021 23: 15
    0
    Oh ... another fortuneteller)
  • Thompson
    Thompson 12 March 2021 10: 24
    0
    Immediately seen by the mind is not far away. To realize that in a couple of years they themselves will be pressed weakly by the tongue. Or do they think they are in / for forever?
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 12 March 2021 13: 33
    +1
    Nonsense ... Russia does not need neither that land, nor those who live on the territory beyond the Dnieper ... people ... there are enough of them, they would be sowed and raised ..
  • Alexander Trifonov
    Alexander Trifonov 12 March 2021 23: 03
    0
    Logically told. It is high time for Ukraine to return to the borders of 1917)))