NATO instructors trained thousands of Armed Forces personnel for street fighting

NATO military instructors have trained thousands of Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel for street fighting. In the five years since 2015, approximately 16 Ukrainian military personnel have been trained for combat in urban areas.

This was announced at a press conference by the commander of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Alexander Syrsky.

The Ukrainian general claims that a total of foreign officers who are part of international training missions have participated in the military training of 19 soldiers of the Ukrainian army. Thus, most of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who were trained by Western instructors, received the knowledge and skills of conducting combat operations in the city.

The direction of our cooperation is the further development of the system of training centers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, primarily the ground forces.

- said Syrsky.

Ruslan Khomchak, the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian army, spoke earlier about the preparation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the storming of cities. What settlements are planning to storm the Armed Forces, he did not specify, but noted that the armed forces of Ukraine should prepare "for any development of events."

It is not hard to guess that, speaking of the storming of cities, the Ukrainian military means settlements located on the territory of the DPR and LPR.

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[rocket757]

NATO military instructors have trained thousands of Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel for street fighting.

You can advise all those "prepared" to see how the minke whales and other city preparators "take" ..... equalize to zero, to dust, and then go through the ruins and corpses ... do not go, they let local trained people clean up everything that they did not finish!
It will be useful to see this and start THINKING!

[Egoza]

Quote: rocket757

NATO military instructors have trained thousands of Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel for street fighting.

But I think that these "lads" will be thrown not only in the settlements of the LPNR. What will they announce to us on the 15th? It is quite possible that they will be useful for battles in Kiev. And these will not be clashes with the Russian army, but a "get-together" from O-o-very concerned "supreme" circles

[Zaurbek]

Without trained aircraft, the "trap" can be in different places ... but the next topic is Donbass.

[Machito]

Yesterday in the news there was infa that the grave was begun in Western Ukraine. It looks like Ukrovermacht is ready for the next boilers. I hope that NM LDNR is ready to repel the offensive, and the North Wind is also ready. Of course, a No-Fly Zone and a peace enforcement operation would be much preferable, but the GDP is unlikely to dare to do so. However, he also cannot afford to merge the citizens of the Russian Federation into the LPNR: the electorate will not understand.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Earlier they shouted: "Rus, delivered!" And now: "Mo..li, hello, we are ready!" I doubt that pidgotovka will help them a lot!

[Normal ok]

Quote: Bearded

Yesterday in the news there was infa that the grave began in Western Ukraine

Doesn't match reality.

[rocket757]

"prepared lad" will fall without reaching ... although, it is unlikely that many will want to ride through minefields at all ...
And on the 15th ... bullshit, internal clan showdowns, pf-e.
As usual, the bald, cunning zhvanchik, winds up advertising to his beloved, and at the exit pf-e .... well, they substitute Ermak, knock it off, lustrate, and then go along the knurled one. Most of the population will not notice anything ... people's concerns are different. Can skakuasa jump another day ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: rocket757

"prepared lad"

They will fall, but rather surrender, there is no doubt about that. Well, like "prepared" how many "specialists" are there, so what? The point is not at all a single "specialist", but in the army's ability to fight in general. The army is a mirror image of the state. If you take Ukraine, where everything is rotten to the core, from rotten ideology to total corruption that permeates all structures from bottom to top, in the presence of a virtually dead economy, what they expect and what they hope for is not clear at all. Perhaps to the west, but they will surrender Ukraine, they will not frown. The fact that the stench will be divorced and the next sanctions will threaten, so it has already passed.

[rocket757]

Quote: orionvitt

They will fall, but rather surrender, this is no doubt.

Maybe both. Someone else's soul is dark, but sho remains in the brains of the skakuasa, a question?

[orionvitt]

Quote: rocket757

Someone else's soul is dark, but sho remains in the brains of the skakuasa, a question?

Not any darkness. They just swagger out of impunity. They raked it out a little in the Donbass, got several boilers, and immediately hid behind the owners' backs, through the Minsk agreements, which in Ukraine, no one was going to fulfill. Now the task is straightforward, to make sure that the skakuas learn the lesson firmly, at the genetic level. Russia has all the means for this, it is only a matter of political will.

[rocket757]

Quote: orionvitt

hid behind the backs of the owners, through the Minsk agreements, which in Ukraine, no one was going to fulfill.

Again, there is and so and not quite so ...
Having leaped through the brains, they fill with everything and by no means peaceful. Who knows, how many of those who fly into one ear and fly into the other ...
Probably there will be those who have different rubbish lingering in their brains and it is possible to knock it out of there only in a radical way.
I can't judge, you have to be there to figure it out.
But, according to the old soldier's habit, it is worth preparing for the worst, then the best will be a pleasant surprise ... while the worst will not take you by surprise!

[boni592807]

Probably, for the majority I will say nonsense.
But, work (information processing - counter-propaganda) with potential "former friends" has not been canceled. It worked at all times and wars, of course with different efficiency, but the game is worth the candle. And in the yard is not 2014 with the frenzy of the Maidan, when relatives called from O "Krajina and" carried "about the damned Muscovites forgetting to look in the mirror. Time cures" , it is necessary to "help" the lads to find the "correct" way out.
Not everyone in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is "zapadentsy" (and even there, the grave will not be confused with vodka), especially, for nothing.
and with any psychological. processing, if you hit on the head, then, the brains are straining .. For example, if - your grandfather and family are damned Muscovites, and your native language, it turns out, is the language of the occupier. And the "hero" himself is invited, the maximum is to "join" the next hundred in the sky. For Uncle Sam and "... the corporal, who commands -Forward, but of course he lags behind ..." (an old soldier's European song).
And if it doesn't help, then as a colleague rocket757 (Victor), Yesterday, 15:08 said - "... according to the old soldier's habit, it is worth preparing for the worst, then the best will be a pleasant surprise ... while the worst will not take you by surprise! .."
Yours faithfully.....

[rocket757]

Propaganda, against counter propaganda, works best when backed up by something significant!

[Maz]

The Israelis also prepared Georgians for battles, everyone knows what happened from this. Looks like the chefs are wrong, or the food is lousy. And what about the instructors themselves do not climb into battle? And they cook meat for slaughter?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Maz

And what about the instructors themselves do not climb into battle?

And where are the instructors going into battle?

[mvg]

And where are the instructors going into battle?

Yes, it was a couple of times ... The USSR got involved in an air war with Israel, and the US itself conducted a Desert Storm, not really relying on its allies.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: mvg

Yes, it was a couple of times ... the USSR got involved in an air war with Israel,

Are you hinting at the linear units of the USSR air defense missile system in the 82nd in the SAR?

The United States conducted Desert Storm itself, not relying heavily on its allies.

About the instructors there is controversial. The British had and still have training centers in Oman and they knew that theater of operations more than the Americans, the British contingent in that war was second only to the Americans ...
As I read in the "ZVO" of those years, NATO, when deciding the issue of sending its troops to the KSA, resembled a Sunday school class, where the class (most NATO countries) waited for the teacher (USA) to turn away in order to escape from the lesson ....
Most of the NATO countries in that war bought off its financing, the supply of MTS, the ships of Spain and Italy replaced the British and American ships in the Mediterranean, the contingents of NATO troops gave their watches at the tank ranges to the Americans and the British, etc.

[mvg]

Most NATO countries bought off their financing in that war

I didn't really understand the offer.
I think 1991 and 2003 paid off many times over. The KSA, Kuwait and other moors funded that party generously.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: mvg

Most NATO countries bought off their financing in that war

I meant the First Gulf War. Those NATO countries that were not directly involved in hostilities helped finance the operation ...

[mvg]

helped finance the operation ...

For me, it’s better to send 2-3 thousand volunteers than to fund others. The main sponsor of the party was KSA. Then Iraq itself "ironed out" the shoals with oil

[mvg]

Are you hinting at the linear units of the USSR air defense missile system in the 82nd in the SAR?

The comment was deleted along the way. I hinted that in the war of Egypt against Israel, our pilots participated, unsuccessfully.

[Ka-52]

You can advise all those "prepared" to see how minke whales and other city preparators "take"

Fallujah is an example of this.

[Zaurbek]

Can you advise the scenario of how Grozny was "taken"? Was there a Maikop division and it is not? Striped take "alien" cities with alien population, to which everyone does not care ..... and here their cities with relatives, speaking the same language.

[rocket757]

Quote: Zaurbek

Would you recommend a scenario

I suggest THINKING.

[carstorm 11]

The difference is that we have learned our mistakes. For the beaten, two not beaten are given for a reason, the people have taken root.

[Zaurbek]

God grant that they would have learned .... the "price" for studying is too big ... only.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Zaurbek

the "price" for studying is too big ... only

Knowledge is generally expensive. But they are depreciated if they are not used. so we need to finish with Ukraine. The "boys" played in "statehood", sold their country, made the world laugh, and most importantly, they shed a lot of (Russian) blood, that's enough. It's time to bring someone to their senses.

[rocket757]

We still have a lot of things to learn, fix, generally replace !!!
There is no need to harbor illusions, it can come out sideways, or even backwards ...

[carstorm 11]

Who would argue ... But in the urban battles in Syria, everything worked out very smartly. It can be seen at once what mistakes in planning were corrected.

[rocket757]

So experience, experience at one time was !!! They could have blown away the dust from the archive folders, reworked, modernized to modern capabilities, equipment and ...
In short, everything is in favor when it is done according to the mind.

[Ka-52]

Was the Maikop division and it is not?

131 br. was. And what does she have to do with it? In addition to her, Grozny included 81, 503, 137, 129, 276 and 255 meso, not counting other consolidated brigades and separate battalions.

Striped take "alien" cities with alien population, to which everyone does not care ..... and here their cities with relatives, speaking the same language.

at the moment of entering the city, the "friends" were the first to open fire. The command of the united group hoped for the prudence of the defenders and that they would lay down their arms in fear. But the Chechens decided that war is better
and yes, when it comes to civil war, minke with no less enthusiasm are ready to crumble their own.

[Zaurbek]

Correct answer options:
1. The fault of the brigade itself
2. The guilt of the defenders
3. The guilt of intelligence
4. The fault of the headquarters, which misjudged the situation


I am silent about the situation itself ...

[Ka-52]

Correct answer options:

together with the 131br, the station was also defended by the servicemen of the 81st brigade. They suffered no less losses. Why exactly the Maikop brigade? Or a common noun?

[Zaurbek]

She died almost completely ... just for this reason.

[Sergej1972]

From the brigade, it seems, the combined battalion participated. The whole brigade could not die in any way. Just the other day this issue was discussed on one of the VO branches.

[Ka-52]

She died almost completely ... just for this reason.

nonsense. To begin with, from the brigade itself in the city there was only half of the payroll. And we will end with the fact that the irrecoverable losses amounted to only a little more than 1/3 of this part of the composite detachment. The brigade did not die "almost completely", because after being withdrawn from the city, it still remained on the guard of Khankala. And then 131 I took part in the assault on Gudermes.

[Zaurbek]

Summary :
The assault on Grozny was well planned, the operation ended successfully. The question is cleared. To reward the commanders.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

That all of you are trying to mischief. It was not an assault; there were no such tasks. The task was to reach the Dudayev palace. Take it for fear. So we went on the march, not worrying about the rear.

[Terenin]

Quote: Alexander Seklitsky

That all of you are trying to mischief. It was not an assault; there were no such tasks. The task was to reach the Dudayev palace. Take it for fear. So we went on the march, not worrying about the rear.

Quite right. We were also given the task of all civilians who came across with weapons either to withdraw themselves, or to say that they would go to hand over to such reception centers. Which is what we did ... and there was not much resistance

[mole]

Quote: Zaurbek

Correct answer options:
1. The fault of the brigade itself
2. The guilt of the defenders
3. The guilt of intelligence
4. The fault of the headquarters, which misjudged the situation


I am silent about the situation itself ...

Could, if we have textiles, what to do with Dresden.
After going through the screams about genocide, after 20-30 years there would be no one to remember.
Yes, forgot to include # 5: malicious intent.

[Zaurbek]

You can do everything ..... but when foreign citizens die during the assault, this is one alignment ..... when their own - a different alignment. When your own, on its own territory, and this territory remains its own - this is the most difficult third option.

[mole]

But in this case, from t. foreign instructors - strangers will perish. And foreign instructors - "doctoral" to write.

[Zaurbek]

Absolutely.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Zaurbek

Correct answer options:

Don't talk nonsense. The assault on Grozny, as well as the entire first Chechen war, was surrendered by corrupt politicians in Moscow and related generals in the Ministry of Defense, and not as military men who fought with dignity and honor. The defeat in the first Chechen war is a direct consequence of Yeltsin's democracy, the liberal course towards the west and other nishtyaks of the 90s.

[Zaurbek]

Why, then, make fun of the American assault on some Iraqi and Syrian cities? They took it as best they could ... saved as many of the lives of their soldiers as possible.

[Ingvvar08]

Write right away the Maykop front, it sounds cooler.

[Roma 1977]

Maikop brigade, not a division. And - yes, it is and is still stationed in Abkhazia. The loss of several hundred people in the winter of 1994-95 is not tantamount to the destruction of the brigade, no matter how much the opposing side wants it.

[Lech from Android.]

A recent example ... destroyed to the foundation of Mosul ...

The same fate awaits Donbass if nothing is done to protect it.

[Zaurbek]

The first thing to start with is the policy of the Russian Federation in this direction ..... to voice it (at least by the example of Erdogan in Syria)

[spectr]

Perhaps something has already been done by bombing a point with free oil in Syria, which now will not reach anyone.

[anjey]

Russia has no way out, it will have to accidentally and harshly warm up and bake both the APUs and the NATO suicide bombers introduced to the Krajina, but you will not envy the GDP, but they need to be beaten, they will understand only force, and then they will be compliant and the Krains will merge at once and Otherwise, Russia will not be allowed to exist in peace if it gives weakness, we must withstand this test weakly.
The Russians always beat the Prussians and at the Crimea, not all of those who sold themselves to the West, will also pass for the Prussians.

[rocket757]

Stripes, if they cannot buy, put "local meat" instead of themselves, destroy everything.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And "local meat" is - the lads from the downtrodden Ukrainian villages and farms. They can be taught anything, but apart from agricultural work, they will not learn anything. They don’t need it. They have one destiny - to be "cannon fodder".

[Olgovich]

Quote: rocket757

... how the minke whales and other city planners "take" - to zero, to dust, and then go through the ruins and corpses.

this is what they teach ...

[mojohed2012]

Bayraktars will definitely be there, their operators have been rubbing there for more than a month; artillery has also been concentrated for a long time; they will also use aviation, despite being knocked out in '14; foreign instructors will not go in battle formations, that's for sure, in the rear they will sit and drink cola.
For so many years they have been saving up even the old Soviet equipment decommissioned in the former countries of the socialist camp, not for the same purpose of storing it. Not. They were preparing to "resolve the LDNR issue," especially since the Yankees are certainly encouraging them to do this.
Baiden cannot sleep and the Democrats too - it is necessary to unleash a war near Russia so that the Trumpists and dissenters would be quiet and the National Guard could be removed from the Capitol.
Biden needs to lower the iron curtain between the EU and the Russian Federation in order to cram his LNG at prices convenient to him.
Democrats need the EU to stop at the construction site of the SP-2 for good, after hysterics and screams about the Russian offensive in the LPNR and the occupation, and God knows what else ...

[ksv36]

The non-scientists teach the non-scientists. Cool though.

[Terenin]

NATO instructors trained thousands of Armed Forces personnel for street fighting

And, let me find out where, when and what street battles were won by the "gallant" NATO instructors?

[Clear]

Quote: Terenin

NATO instructors trained thousands of Armed Forces personnel for street fighting

And, let me find out where, when and what street battles were won by the "gallant" NATO instructors?

I remember that NATO members dressed, shod, fed, watered ... trained the thousandth Georgian special forces so that the Russian troops could not find it, as soon as not looking

[rocket757]

Probably they were taught to run, good. Ours did not keep up with them.

[Clear]

Quote: rocket757

Probably they were taught to run, good. Ours did not keep up with them.

Hear, darAgoy, zaEm begat , I stand in the market from dawn to dusk ...

[rocket757]

Also a well-known option ...

[Clear]

Quote: rocket757

Also a well-known option ...

By the way, they will sell a NATO uniform on the market.

[rocket757]

So they sold everything, what they could get to ...
And now, themselves, themselves, it turns out not ah .. they rely, does not mean on whom.

[Glory1974]

NATO troops dressed, shod, fed, watered ... trained the thousandth Georgian special forces so that Russian troops could not find it,

Well, yes, they just attacked the headquarters column of the 58th Army. The wounded army commander miraculously did not get captured, and so they were not noted anywhere else.

[Clear]

Quote: glory1974

NATO troops dressed, shod, fed, watered ... trained the thousandth Georgian special forces so that Russian troops could not find it,

Well, yes, they just attacked the headquarters column of the 58th Army. The wounded army commander miraculously did not get captured, and so they were not noted anywhere else.

So, to ambush the headquarters unit, in their own country, having complete superiority ... Moreover, not only numerical. They had the latest technology, excellent communications, every bump ... and American intelligence support ... and then, nothing worked.
By the way, the Russian Armed Forces, as of 2008, looked very depressing.

Although, I agree and you confirm that our guys, even in such a situation, defeated a serious and dangerous enemy ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Clearly, I somehow watched videos about the war in Abkhazia on YouTube. Of course, our soldiers are great. But we can see the weak supply of the army. More than 10 years have passed and the result is excellent. Equipment, uniforms, weapons ... no words. Most of all I respect VVP for creating such an army. Well done!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Clear

So, to ambush the headquarters unit, in their own country, having complete superiority ...

So just before the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, exercises took place in the North Caucasus Military District, and how did the commander get there? and not as part of the headquarters column, but in the advance group of the attacking ... probably because there was no normal communication, orders were given by mobile communication, where our Georgian units learned from the militias, google the video about this ambush and the first days of our offensive everything is there .....
One phrase can describe this war as follows: some unfolded for a long time, others fled quickly.
In this case, if the Ukrainian Armed Forces want to organize the "Clear Field" operation in the Donbass, then hostilities with the participation of the Russian Armed Forces will expand at least to the entire Left-Bank Ukraine ...

[mvg]

trained the thousandth Georgian special forces so

But the trained Azerbaijani special forces took the "impregnable" Shusha .. And how many shouts there was that the fortress could not be taken

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Terenin

And, let me find out where, when and what street battles were won by the "gallant" NATO instructors?

Probably they think that in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria they are successfully waging street battles.

[Zaurbek]

They lead them there with reconnaissance, ground and air support of the US Armed Forces ... the actions of the same people without all this is another story.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Zaurbek

They lead them there with reconnaissance, ground and air support of the US Armed Forces ... the actions of the same people without all this is another story.

Well, "these" probably teach the same.

[Cat]

To begin with, wild raguli are shown what a city is and how it differs from a ridny sal

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gato

To begin with, wild raguli are shown what a city is and how it differs from a ridny sal

Rightly noticed.

[Zaurbek]

And ours in the SAR are taught the same ..... to get involved in such cases should be with a clear preponderance and with a clear purpose.

[mole]

Quote: Zaurbek

They lead them there with reconnaissance, ground and air support of the US Armed Forces ... the actions of the same people without all this is another story.

So they will test the theory in practice. Then the manuals will be corrected if something happens. At best, there will be a couple of sentences about guinea pigs in these techniques.

[rocket757]

I can do anything, said gold ...
Where gold hasn't worked, they can't.

[RUSS]

Quote: Terenin

NATO instructors trained thousands of Armed Forces personnel for street fighting

And, let me find out where, when and what street battles were won by the "gallant" NATO instructors?

After Somalia, the US Army revised its street fighting strategy.

[val43]

Are you talking about Grozny?

[Piramidon]

Quote: rocket757

It will be useful to see this and start THINKING!

What to think if only the dorsal and only the lower part of it remained of all the brains?

[rocket757]

When it has flown pretty much along the dorsal, it can be distributed more evenly throughout the body ... it also happens.
But, since it is not given, then oh.

[Vladimir_2U]

And it seems like relatives, but I won't wish them anything good.

[Lech from Android.]

The Americans are ready to fight to the last Ukrainian ... they do not feel sorry for cannon fodder ... I feel sorry for them by inertia since the Soviet Union ... really the Ukrainian brothers will go to war against their own Russian brothers ... is it possible that independence has so overshadowed their eyes. ..that they do not see that it is their death and the way into the abyss of nothingness.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lech from Android.

really brothers Ukrainians will go to war against their own Russian brothers ... is it possible that their independence so overshadowed their eyes ..

They have been trained for this for 30 years, a new generation has grown up on Russophobia, and the eldest of them are already over thirty. And this is 80% of the APU.

[Egoza]

Quote: tihonmarine

They have been trained for this for 30 years, a new generation has grown up on Russophobia, and the eldest of them are already over thirty. And this is 80% of the APU.

Add to this the fact that the definition of nationality in the documents was canceled. "Since you live in Ukraine, then you are Ukrainian." And if the passport had been "Russian" - they would have thought about how Russian versus Russians. And, if you honestly count, it is not yet known who would become the "state forming nation" in terms of the number of living nationalities.

[Prisoner]

Shapkozakidatelstvo thing extremely harmful of course. Only the experience of street battles of NATO instructors inspires neither awe nor respect. And do they have this very experience?

[Roman 57 rus]

Yes, some have this experience there, 80 years ago they received it in Stalingrad ..

[Prisoner]

There were Germans, Wehrmacht. And these... Not a candle to God, not a damn poker.

[tihonmarine]

Ruslan Khomchak, the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian army, spoke earlier about the preparation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the storming of cities.

Already openly they say that the war will begin soon.

[svoit]

Quote: Zaurbek

Was the Maikop division and it is not?

So there was no division, there was only a brigade like

[Zaurbek]

Yes - there was a composite brigade.

[Sergej1972]

There was a combined battalion of this brigade. Not a single brigade or regiment in full force fought there.

[APASUS]

We saw how troops trained by international instructors took Tskhinvali 080808.

[Lech from Android.]

We saw how troops trained by international instructors took Tskhinvali 080808.

Now I really want to see the operational plan of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the assault on the LDNR ... what, where, when and in what time frame.

[Egoza]

Quote: Lech from Android.

. what, where, when and in what time frame.

Already today we started in the direction of Donetsk.

[RUSS]

Quote: APASUS

We saw how troops trained by international instructors took Tskhinvali 080808.

By 15 o'clock almost the entire Tskhinvali, according to the Georgian Ministry of Internal Affairs, was occupied by Georgian units [17]. According to the Georgian media, Russian planes carried out constant bombing of Georgian villages in the Tskhinvali region [26]. Soon a column of Russian troops entered the territory of South Ossetia from the Russian border. Two reinforced battalions of the 58th Army deployed in the vicinity of Tskhinvali and opened artillery fire on the positions of the Georgian troops.

If it were not for the Russian army, then everything would have been decided differently, the same may be the case in the future in the Donbass.

[APASUS]

Quote: RUSS

If it were not for the Russian army, then everything would have been decided differently,

They would have defeated South Ossetia and Abkhazia, why hide it, and the population was massacred. In fact, everything is repeated in Ukraine, the tactics have been tested. They do not need population

[tralflot1832]

I am the only one who thinks that in the photo PMKashnik is breaking the American hryvnia.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

that in the photo PMKashnik the American hryvnia is breaking.

No, they only take dollars!

[Ruslan Sulima]

That is the trouble for them that they are preparing without taking into account the real situation.
It is clear that NATO is testing new technologies, but those on whom they are testing them somehow clap their hands, jump and are happy to go to slaughter. Some kind of surrealism ...

[svoit]

Quote: Clear

Russian troops could not find him, as soon as they did not look

So at that time he was in Iraq, and ours did nothing to prevent him from flying.

[Glory1974]

Americans have a good practice of street fighting, so they should not be underestimated. In any case, the training of fighters on the training grounds, the development of interaction, communications, reconnaissance and target designation are bearing fruit, compared if they had not been taught at all. Therefore, we must take it seriously.

[Piramidon]

Quote: glory1974

Americans have a good practice of street fighting

They took Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Hanoi, Belgrade ... Do not confuse street fighting with carpet bombing.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Piramidon

They took Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Hanoi, Belgrade ...

We have Grozny in the PChV, they have El-Fallujah (with atypical buildings), although negative combat experience is also taken into account when making changes to the Statutes and instructions, as well as training troops ... especially in urbanized districts .. ...
Even if the empirialists poorly trained the Armed Forces of Ukraine in military operations in the city, they learned how to handle various types of communications, optics, night vision devices, interaction in the platoon-botalion unit, at least something was deposited in their head, probably not everyone was taken to the courses ... ...

[Glory1974]

They took Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Hanoi, Belgrade

this is the last century In this century, Iraq, Afghanistan. On the landfills they have built city blocks. All units are practicing actions in the city. We have this only for special forces, they have absolutely everything.

[Piramidon]

Quote: glory1974

In this century, Iraq, Afghanistan. They have built city blocks on the landfills. All units are practicing actions in the city. We have this only for special forces, they have absolutely everything.

Heard. Cleaning up wedding and funeral processions, shooting at everything that moves ..

[BAI]

In Syria, the States also trained all kinds of bandits. As a result, everyone fled, which caused the proceedings in Congress.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Hopefully taught by NATO standards as a Georgian?

[TermNachTer]

Before teaching others, it would be nice to learn by ourselves))) we saw how TEACHERS, cities take))) Fallujah for example.

[iouris]

"Street fighting" is genocide.

[jncnfdybr]

To street battles against their own people.

[iouris]

"Own people"? Well, you are an idealist ... In October 93, who shot?

[jncnfdybr]

Well, you can also remember 1917.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

cool photo ... yes there is something. all the rules ... the instructor 100 pieces of bakhli and the jerk has a wooden apartment 50 by 2000 cm and the same amount of land ... eh lackeys.

[Lara Croft]

For five years, starting from 2015, preparation for military operations in the conditions of urban development took place approximately 16 Ukrainian military.

The Ukrainian general claims that a total of foreign officers who are part of international training missions have participated in military training. 19 thousand fighters Ukrainian army.

It can be assumed that 16 military personnel are soldiers and sergeants of conscript service of combined arms units and subunits located in the ATO zone and in active reserve ...
Another 3 military units, these are officers who are the commanders of the above, officers-spotters of artillery fire, officers-aircraft controllers, operators of UAVs, snipers and other specialties, which will be part of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which are prepared to conduct hostilities in the city .. ...
19 military units trained for warfare in the city is a serious force ...
If all 16 soldiers are not used together, but by appointing the ZKV and Co in all combat units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine located in the ATO zone, then we will get an even more formidable force in the person of the Armed Forces ...

[SIT]

In the conditions of urban development, it is important to train not thousands, but specific company assault groups and battalion assault detachments. Donetsk is a millionaire and taking it like Fallujah, demolishing everything into dust, will not work. It is better not to involve aviation at all, because everyone, together with the militias, will hide in the same basement from their own bombs and missiles. The notorious UAVs will not help much either, when the 1st floor was taken, and in the basement and on the next 4 floors there is still an enemy and a helicopter landing on the roof. God forbid to figure out who is in the next house, their own or strangers and not start firing at their own. At the same time, after a couple of hours, this is already outdated information.
They will not take the city on the move. He will be prepared for defense. This means one company assault group per house. The entrance is only through a hole in the wall, tk. all the doors have had such engineering training that it is pure suicide to enter. A break must be made from a tank or self-propelled gun, and there, at each intersection, where the thread in the TM83 glasses is stuck, etc. etc. In short, it will be a madhouse. Why bother with such a meat grinder at all? Looks like creditors from overseas hinted to the Ukrainian elite that otherwise they would strip the hell out of everyone to their cowards, starting with Poroshenko and ending with Benya and his Ze.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: SIT

In the conditions of urban development, it is important to train not thousands, but specific company assault groups and battalion assault detachments.

How many of them can be formed out of 16 military personnel, isn't it a lot ... and yet how many of those who passed the training remained in the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...

Donetsk is a millionaire and taking it like Fallujah, demolishing everything into dust, will not work.

Different cities. Fallujah is a city with low-rise buildings, narrow streets and blind fences at every house, the city's development itself is chaotic, there is no division into industrial, business and residential areas ...
Donets is a typical Soviet city, in which there are agents of the Security Service of Ukraine, caches with weapons for the RDG of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...

It is better not to involve aviation at all, because everyone, together with the militias, will hide in the same basement from their own bombs and missiles. The notorious UAVs will not help much either, when the 1st floor was taken, and in the basement and on the next 4 floors there is still an enemy and a helicopter landing on the roof.

Yes, before the capture of Fallujah, the Americans calculated the consequences of the use of AA helicopters, t.s. up to 70% of losses, therefore, UAVs and tactical aviation (during the day) and C-130 fire support of the US MTR ... (at night, due to the possibility of using MANPADS by the Shiites) was used ...

They will not take the city on the move. He will be prepared for the defense. This means one company assault group per house. The entrance is only through a hole in the wall, tk. all the doors have had such engineering training that it is pure suicide to enter. A break must be made from a tank or self-propelled gun, and there, at each intersection, where the thread in the TM83 glasses is stuck, etc. etc.

Why would the APU take the whole city? They isolate it like Fallujah in Iraq and then divide it into sectors, in those sectors where there are vital facilities for them, they will carry out a sweep ... everything else is isolated and subjected to shelling ...
As one Chinese comrade said, the most wrong and difficult thing is to besiege fortresses ... and as one empirical historian said, not every direct path is short ...
I think the direction of the strike will be on the LPR, telling reporters that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are trained by military units with the knowledge to conduct hostilities in the city, they specifically hint at the DPR, tk. Donetsk is closest to Ukraine than Luhansk .....
There will be dissecting strikes from the West between the DPR and LPR and from the North to the LPR ...
In any case (if the Russian Federation does not intervene), both Lugansk and Donetsk will be lost, otherwise all the LDNR troops defending Lugansk and Donetsk will fall into the boilers ...., and the APU, with nat. bats and all sorts of PMCs, will go further to the East to the border of the Russian Federation ...

[SIT]

They had to be immediately prepared in the form of assault groups and detachments and coordinated. But in order to completely blockade a city like Donetsk 16 thousand will not be enough, and even more so to clean up. The Americans cleaned Fallujah for a month and a half with a 4-fold initial superiority in l / s. But to cut off from the Russian border is an option. But here an accidental projectile can hit a peaceful Russian tractor, and he responds from all systems and calibers. Then it will be Ilovaisk 2.0.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: SIT

They had to be immediately prepared in the form of assault groups and detachments and coordinated.

So most likely it happens, why the hell are they needed then? Although I read the periodicals here that many especially cunning Ukrainians trained by American instructors apply for a residence permit in the United States ... they probably lie ...

But in order to completely blockade a city like Donetsk 16 thousand will not be enough, and even more so to clean up.

For the blockade of the city, the usual motorized infantry or better nat. baht will attract, why spray forces ...

The Americans cleaned Fallujah for a month and a half with a 4-fold initial superiority in l / s.

Not at all. Just today I read an article about Fallujah. Initially, the Americans underestimated their strength and the city included two BMPs and a US Army Corp. + two bots. new The Iraqi army, it was then the city was divided into 4 sectors and reinforcements began to be thrown in ...
They, like us in the PCC, also did not have a Falujah card ...

But to cut off from the Russian border is an option. But here an accidental projectile can hit a peaceful Russian tractor, and he responds from all systems and calibers. Then it will be Ilovaisk 2.0.

I have a feeling that in the forest belt on the border with the Russian Federation, on the territory of the DPR / LPR, the Armed Forces of Ukraine of the military unit from the 8th OA and evil people from the Tambov brigade are already looking forward to it. SPN GRU General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense ....
Laughter, laughter, but we generally do not know anything about the readiness of the Republics for the "bloodbath" ...
There are no publications on the VO on the topic of the Armed Forces of the DPR / LPR ...

[Reserve buildbat]

I remember that mattresses have already been prepared by the "fighters of the moderate opposition" about the size of dead greens for each ...

[kit88]

They were completely furious. They are going to take their own cities by storm. The fact that there are civilians of the Armed Forces of Ukraine means to spit.

[Kuzmitsky]

These are no longer their cities, not Ukrainian. The fact that dill don't care about local residents how many will die is a fact. They have not considered Donetsk citizens their own for a long time. But after all, they themselves may not return from Donbass, there the DLNR fighters have their homes and families behind them - they have something to hold on to. This does not even take into account the fact that Russia, perhaps, will also help.
But although it is a very bad idea for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to climb into Donbass, it is possible that they will climb.

[georggy]

Do NATO members have a lot of experience in this?