The United States rejected Turkey's proposal to deploy the S-400 air defense system "away from NATO military facilities"

Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said that the Turkish government continues to make efforts to negotiate with the American administration about the latter's refusal of anti-Turkish sanctions related to the acquisition of the S-400 air defense system from Russia. Recall that such sanctions were introduced during the administration of Donald Trump.

Among other things, the United States froze the accounts of the Defense Industry Directorate and pulled Turkey out of the F-35 fighter program. Moreover, it was "taken out" strangely: the planes paid for by Ankara were refused to be delivered to Turkey, but they continue to accept components for the F-35 under previously concluded contracts.

Earlier, the Turkish Defense Ministry suggested that the United States create a working group that would study "the issue of the influence of Russian-made air defense systems on the air defense structure of NATO countries." The United States stated that the S-400 air defense systems are not compatible with this system, and therefore threaten the strategic interests of the alliance. Ankara replies that this can be easily verified in the format of the same joint group. But the US refuses.

Now the Turkish military department is offering Washington another option: the deployment of the S-400 "away from NATO military facilities." According to Hulusi Akar, in this case there will be no threat to the strategic interests of the alliance. Additionally, the Turkish authorities offer their colleagues from the United States to adopt a document that would be similar to the document adopted at one time regarding the appearance in Greece of the Russian-made S-300 air defense system. Recall that the S-300 are on the Greek island of Crete, where they were shipped from Cyprus, which signed a contract with Moscow.

But, as it turns out, the United States rejected this offer from Ankara as well. According to the director of the Philadelphia Institute for Foreign Policy Research (USA) Aaron Stein, "Biden's policy towards Turkey continues to remain markedly cold, as it was under his predecessor, Trump." It is assumed that under Joe Biden, the United States may impose even tougher sanctions against Turkey if Ankara does not abandon the deployment of the S-400 and continues to acquire weapon "Not with NATO partners."

Comments

[knn54]

Either it will be our way, or not at all.
And how in general to negotiate with the Yankees?

[Tatyana]

Washington / Pentagon categorically does not want to recognize Turkey's national sovereignty.
The interests of the American military-industrial complex are in the first place among the transatlantic military-industrial complex companies!

[dSK]

The system of Western European vassalage was formed in the VIII-IX centuries in the Frankish kingdom and was consolidated in the IX century, when the Frankish king Charles the Bald published the "Mersen capitulary", according to which every free peasant had to become someone's "man."

[military_cat]

It is profitable for the military-industrial complex to sell the F-35 to Turkey, Turkey wants these supplies, but it is them that the United States prohibits. It is precisely here that the interests of the military-industrial complex companies are clearly subordinate to the political course.

[Kaman]

And this is true. The imperial-Islamist ambitions of Perdogan, combined with the 5th generation aircraft, would be dangerous for the entire region. For Perdogan, early versions of the F-16 and S-400 will be just right.

[Maz]

The United States has a problem ... Great Britain refused to buy 90 pieces of F-35s, Schaub did not ditch their aviation industry, a lot of money and planes from a black hole, but someone needs to shove them ...

[tralflot1832]

Yes, the British behave themselves reasonably in relation to the amerike.Yes, and the US national debt is poured on a par with the Chinese.

[Piramidon]

Quote: knn54

how in general to negotiate with the Yankes?

"Gentlemen always play strictly by the rules ..." Well, then you yourself know.

[Alien From]

It all looks very much like a bad prank ...

[rotmistr60]

the Turkish government continues to make attempts to negotiate with the American administration

The Turks have not yet realized that negotiating with the United States is useless, especially when it comes to promoting American weapons. But in the east they are spinning around the bush, trying to go from different directions. And the sanctions are here. It remains to think whether there was an "ally" who turned out to be a dictator and to make appropriate decisions.

[Ka-52]

When our God's chosen friends from the Promised Land begin to tell what a wonderful American military equipment, how they love it all over the world and line up at their own request to buy, then I remember similar moments. Blackmail, force pressure? How can you think of that? Everything is only solely for love ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Ka-52

Everything is only solely for love ...

hits means loves

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Ka-52

When our God's chosen friends from the Promised Land begin to tell what a wonderful American military equipment, how they love it all over the world and line up at their own request to buy, then I remember similar moments. Blackmail, force pressure? How can you think of that? Everything is only solely for love ...

1. Israel receives money from the United States that it spends on American weapons. At least some of the costs are reimbursed.

2. Due to the fact that Israel buys F35, it participates in the program for the production of some components.

3. Depending on the number of aircraft purchased, Israel will be allowed to use some kind of armament range of its own design. (Most likely to certify and sell to others)

If the f35 mega project is a scam, then it is quite possible that Israel, participating in it, will manage to make money.

Why are these f35s for Israel in military terms? The style of warfare, judging by Syria, approaching and striking from an area where there is no confident air defense action.
Those. at the border where there is detection but there is no reliable lock on the target.

We certainly know that the f35 is very bad and not invisible at all, but in fact it has the smallest EPR of all possible aircraft that could be available for purchase by Israel. Therefore, the f35 may well be used to strike Iran, for example.

[borberd]

Quote: Ka-52

wonderful American military equipment, as it is loved all over the world and of their own free will line up for purchase, then I remember similar moments.

What are the moments? How do the Turks go out of their way just to buy the F-35, and the Americans refuse them?

Quote: Ka-52

Blackmail, force pressure? How can you think of that? Everything is only solely for love ...

Where is the power pressure? Here, the "partner" in NATO, who has bitten a bit, is put in place. The Turks, if all of themselves are so independent and arrogant, can look for fighters of the 5th generation on the side. At one time, Cyprus was not prohibited from buying S-300s, because Cyprus did not arrange local wars in different places, as the Turks do, and did not bully partners in the bloc like Greece, France, Germany.
Turks, as hucksters, look as unpresentable as possible in this dispute.

[Ka-52]

What are the moments? How do the Turks go out of their way just to buy the F-35, and the Americans refuse them?

if you try to think before writing at least once, you will surely understand that the Turks wanted to buy a normal air defense system instead of the poor MIM-104. What does the F-35 have to do with it?

At one time, Cyprus was not prohibited from buying the S-300.

I wonder, but on what basis should they have been banned? Based on the fact that the United States is cool and can tell everyone WHAT to buy and WHAT not?

because Cyprus did not arrange local wars in different places

you at least occasionally leave your alternate universe. Cyprus in the 70-80s is a cross between Donbass and Karabakh. An ethnic-religious conflict took place there, fueled by both Turkey and Greece. Both NATO countries took direct military participation in it.

Turks, as hucksters, look as unpresentable as possible in this dispute.

Turks, unlike Jews, just tried to get off the American jade rod by a millimeter (censored) .

[borberd]

Quote: Ka-52

if you try to think before you write, you will surely understand that the Turks wanted to buy a normal air defense system instead of the wretched MIM-104. What does the F-35 have to do with it?

If you would include the second gyrus, you would understand that the Turks are in NATO and cannot want something that the alliance does not want. Here - "either checkers, or go" (c). Moreover, you want to buy systems from a potential enemy. How interesting would the purchase of a cruiser by the USSR in ... let's say 1943 from Japan look? And the refusal to sell the F-35 is a measure designed to punish the arrogance and arbitrariness of a member of the alliance, which has recently been a source of problems.

Quote: Ka-52

I wonder, but on what basis should they have been banned? Based on the fact that the United States is cool and can tell everyone WHAT to buy and WHAT not?

NATO members can. Others depend on the military and economic assistance provided by the United States.

Quote: Ka-52

you at least occasionally leave your alternate universe. Cyprus in the 70-80s is a cross between Donbass and Karabakh. An ethnic-religious conflict took place there, fueled by both Turkey and Greece. Both NATO countries took direct military participation in it.

The time was different, then the United States did not forbid anything to anyone. The USSR only collapsed and did not look like an enemy. And the Cypriots did not send ships to Libya and did not pinch the Kurds allied to the Americans in Syria and Iraq, as the Turks do now.

Quote: Ka-52

The Turks, unlike the Jews, just tried to get off the American jade core by a millimeter (censored).

Do you have a problem with the jade rod? Only about him and think? Make an appointment with a psychologist. In fact, the Turks can now jump off, but they really do not want to because they will lose access to European and American technologies, markets for their products and much more. Israel, when it needs it, does what it needs without looking back at the big boss.

[Ka-52]

then we would have understood that the Turks are members of NATO and cannot want something that the alliance does not want. Here - "either checkers, or go" (c). Moreover, you want to buy systems from a potential enemy.

yes, definitely. Only this for some reason does not concern the United States itself. The United States can afford to buy RD-180s in Russia for launching military satellites. Buy Turks - no, how you can.

NATO members can. Others depend on the military and economic assistance provided by the United States.

read above

The time was different, then the United States did not forbid anything to anyone

remove the pan from the head. And then you can see it shields you well from reality. The United States and the World Bank have banned Cyprus from installing the C300 into service. Therefore, in exchange for Turkey's consent to demilitarize Cyprus, the complexes moved to Greece, which not only did not give a damn about the opinion of the United States, in 2007-2008. introduced them into the air defense system of the state's defense, but also continued to purchase consumables (missiles) and modernize. And this time, by the way, when the states were already beginning their hysterics in relation to the Russian Federation, this is the time of the Georgian-Ossetian conflict. Greece actively used the complexes in the exercises and bought consumables for them even after the Russian Federation came under sanctions.

And the Cypriots did not send ships to Libya

The US doesn't care about Libya. Therefore, whoever sends ships there is violet. But not purple Greece and Italy. Who consider the shelf as their area of ​​interest. But this is not a reason for influencing Turkey.

and did not pinch the Kurds allied to the Americans in Syria and Iraq, as the Turks are doing now

for the US, the YPG and SDF Kurds are not allies. Their interests simply coincided at the moment when the Kurds wanted to seize territory for their Kurdistan, and the United States wanted to squeeze the northeastern oil-bearing regions from Syria. Washington itself proposed to Ankara to create a "safe zone" along the Turkish border and the Turks implemented this proposal. So first think ("thinking" is such a thought process, as a result of which a highly organized organism is able to analyze the information coming from the senses and draw conclusions on the basis of this analysis. I inform you in case you are like that), and then write.

Do you have a problem with the jade rod?

yes, problems - it's stuck in your head. How else to explain such a transition to personalities

[rocket757]

Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said that the Turkish government continues to make efforts to negotiate with the American administration about the latter's abandonment of anti-Turkish sanctions related to the acquisition of the S-400 air defense system.

Blessed is he who believes and ... hopes! Good luck to wish them or something else ???

[SIRIUS]

Turkey, why are you asking the United States for permission at all ?! Do not disgrace yourself! On their sanctions, block the Bosphorus for them and turn off Injerlek!

[Flooding]

Quote: SIRIUS

Turkey, why are you asking the US for permission at all?

then, that politics is the art of the possible.
Turkey has no opportunity to ignore the interests of the NATO-lookinger and part-time world hegemon.

[mojohed2012]

Hey, Erdogan !? Give the Russians back the S-400 with a statement (like Pashinyan caved in) that such air defense of Russia is 10% worse than the American one, then we will return hope for the supply of the F-35, maybe if you behave yourself.
This is how the direct opinion and appeal of the United States should sound.
There is no question of any incompatibility, tk. the main thing is to oust the Russian Federation from this market and drive up your own hardware and more expensive, it is also the standard NAT (D) O (... to buy from the owner).

[svoit]

So these s400 were bought, that NATO facilities were to be protected, how can one be away from them?

[Pandiurin]

For the United States, the problem is that the S400 cannot be deployed on Turkish territory, for them everything works out next to NATO bases.
Maybe just throw out the NATO base from Turkey so that the hegemon would be happy?

[tralflot1832]

Once there was such a booze, C 400 is good. With the Chinese analogue C300, about 5 years ago, the Turks had enough of one team from behind a puddle: A puppy at the foot!

[Prisoner]

And where to put it? 400 km. range, Turkey is a little more than 500 km across and 1600 in length.

[Viktor Afanasev]

If Turkey planned to have C400 to protect its sky, they would buy more.
And two divisions (24 missiles) - even one Arlie Burke cannot be fought back ...
Pure industrial espionage. Perhaps the Turks want to create something like that themselves, or maybe they are bargaining with the States, at a higher price for them to use our С400 ...

[tralflot1832]

And then, somehow, unexpectedly, Putin and Erdogan jointly gave the command to build the next Akuya block.