In the Chinese media: "Dagger" is the most "mature" hypersonic weapon in Russia

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the basis of the non-nuclear deterrent forces of the Russian Federation will be hypersonic weapon land, sea and air based. Among these weapons, the Dagger missile systems occupy a special place.

The Chinese portal Sina discusses the characteristics and capabilities of the Russian "Daggers".

The Chinese media write that the air-launched missile system in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces is capable of hitting any target on the territory of the European continent.

And although in the Russian Federation the ground-based complex Avangard and the sea-based Zircon are also classified as hypersonic, the Chinese author believes that it is precisely the Dagger that is the most "mature" hypersonic weapon in Russia. It is precisely this that is the most dangerous for the West. Due to the high speed and maneuverability of these missiles, modern air defense systems of NATO countries are not capable of intercepting them. Moreover, this weapon has significant destructive power even without a nuclear warhead.

The Chinese author writes that the idea of ​​Russian gunsmiths to combine the world's only heavy supersonic fighter-interceptor MiG-31 with the Iskander ground-based operational-tactical missile system led to the emergence of Russia's most advanced and effective weapon - the Dagger air-launched hypersonic missile system.

It should be recalled that at the moment Russia is the only country in the world with its army armed with hypersonic missile systems (weapons capable of reaching speeds of more than 5 M).

Comments

[tralflot1832]

Thanks to the Chinese comrades, they appreciated it!

[Boromir1941]

I personally like that to one place that the Chinese appreciated it. the main thing is that we have fun

[Zaurbek]

.... mature and it is possible to expand its line with smaller calibers and weights. for armament Su30 and 35 and 34. A couple of pieces with a decent range of the carrier ..

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Zaurbek

it is quite possible to expand its line with smaller calibers and weights.

The mattresses have HIMARS, caliber 300, range 300. But long contagion and not hypersonic. All the trick is in the MiG-31, we were able to put a ballistic missile on a fighter. Nobody just has such a Fighter.
And the rocket, even if they do, will be carried by slow bombers. I mean, a serious 500+ caliber.

[Zaurbek]

When launched with a Su35 or Tu22M3M, for example, everything will be the same .... The MiG31 was singled out as a cargo-lifting aircraft (above the sound one) and keep in mind that it is not being produced, so far only Su35S (with the corresponding radar) is available for replacement. And the Americans (Jews) have missiles (both BR and KR) for F35, F15 and F16 (mass) aircraft with a range of 300-1000 km. High precision. but we do not. And all these F35, F15 and F16 are fighters at the same time ..... and the MiG31 (Dagger carrier) is an unarmed transport aircraft.

[Klingon]

Well, they are sawing the MiG-41 on the sly. And by the way, something has already been written about a smaller version of the Dagger for the Su-57

[Zaurbek]

They saw a lot of things ... but my message about what to do as in the USSR, an airplane under a rocket is no longer correct ...

[Kapany3]

No, you can't say anything against the opinion of the EXPERT ... all the rest are just stupid stupid people once decided to modernize the 31st, and assign him a different role

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Zaurbek

When launched with a Su35 or Tu22M3M, for example, everything will be the same ...

Delivery speed to launch point and ceiling ...

Quote: Zaurbek

so far, only Su35S (with the corresponding radar) is available to replace it.

Not sure if he will pull the Dagger. Do not forget that the caliber 500 implies a SPBCH of decent power, and in a high-explosive version.

Quote: Zaurbek

And the Americans (Jews) have missiles (both BR and KR) for F35, F15 and F16 (mass) aircraft with a range of 300-1000 km.

There is no such caliber.
Iskander is highly accurate.

Quote: Zaurbek

MiG31 (Dagger carrier) - unarmed transport aircraft.

Possessing such speed that it still needs time to be noticed.

[Zaurbek]

1. The speed of Su is not much less ... the height is the same ...
2. The speed of the MiG with such a blank will be lower ....

[nPuBaTuP]

Possessing such speed that it still needs time to be noticed. wink

And if you noticed then catch up

[dauria]

And all these F35, F15 and F16 are fighters at the same time ... and the MiG31 (Dagger carrier) is a transport aircraft without weapons

are you laughing? Any fighter will turn into a transport plane if you attach a rocket with the characteristics of a dagger to it. I doubt that the F-35 and F-16 will ever be able to get off the ground with such a rocket and full refueling. The intestine is thin.
This is where size matters. Both the rockets and the carrier.
For range with speed, you have to pay with mass.

[Zaurbek]

Laughing ...... Dagger carrier, plane without weapons and radar.

[bayard]

Quote: Zaurbek

... And the Americans (Jews) have missiles (both BR and KR) for F35, F15 and F16 (mass) aircraft with a range of 300-1000 km. High precision. but we do not. And all these F35, F15 and F16 are fighters at the same time ...

Actually, we also have the following: X-31, X-35 (adapted including for strikes against ground targets), X-59 ... the X-50 is being developed.
A "Dagger" in fact - a substitute for the previously forbidden for us, MRBM. With nuclear warheads, he completely replaces them and makes them even more mobile (in basing).

Quote: Zaurbek

..a MiG31 (Dagger carrier) is an unarmed transport aircraft.

And yet this is a fighter, the radar was not removed from it, but the explosive missiles can be suspended ... only it is unlikely that it will be useful to him - it will shoot from a safe distance.

[bayard]

Quote: LiSiCyn

And the rocket, even if they do, will be carried by slow bombers.

Actually, the Americans are planning to adapt the F-15 for their new missile.
but so far only we have this.

[rocket757]

In the Chinese media: "Dagger" is the most "mature" hypersonic weapon in Russia

A powerful weapon, you can't stop there.
Remember that the main limiting factor is still vigorous loaves !!!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: rocket757

Remember that the main limiting factor is still vigorous loaves !!!

Well, if only not "Cheburashka" in Ukrainian!

[venik]

"...And although in the Russian Federation, the ground-based complex Avangard and the sea-based Zircon are also referred to as hypersound.... "
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Well, "Vanguard" is a little different = this is a means of delivering nuclear warheads to an intercontinental range ..... "Zircon" is just completing tests, and "Dagger" is already in the army. True, the last thing I heard was that there were only 10 aircraft in the "experimental military operation", and then there was silence .... Maybe someone heard what?

[tralflot1832]

There is only ancient information that, in addition to the Black Sea Fleet, on the Northern Fleet MIG 31K is based in Monchegorsk, on the TF in Yelizovo, this is clearly not ten. A secret covered in darkness.

[bayard]

Quote: tralflot1832

at the TF in Yelizovo, this is clearly not ten

In Transbaikalia, like 20 pieces. were going to base, but the information is already a year old, maybe they have deployed.

[Piramidon]

Infa slipped by that on the Tu-22M3, too, are going to put "Daggers".

[tralflot1832]

After the fairing appeared on the left in the nose of the system, but you don't know which system. God himself commanded.

[Alexap]

"It should be recalled that at the moment Russia is the only country in the world that has hypersonic missile systems in its army." What a fig? The dagger is hypersonic, like any ballistic missile of comparable range. In the same China, all sorts of DF-21, DF-26 are not hypersonic, are they?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

like any ballistic missile of comparable range.

.... no, ... warheads of ballistic missiles entering the dense layers of the atmosphere with deceleration up to 3000 km per hour. that is, about 2.5M ... The dagger maintains speed throughout the entire flight path to the target

[Klingon]

China does not have such carriers, there is no analogue of the MiG-31, there is no analogue of the Tu-22M3M, and these carriers are the delivery + booster stage. from what they launch their rockets. will they be from their H-6 or what ?? Of course, he can deliver, but it will not work to overclock the rocket to 2,3 M

[tralflot1832]

We are looking forward to shots with Zircon. The Israeli comrades probably satisfied their curiosity in the video on February 23, the Dagger hits the target from above, at an angle of 90 degrees. MO we have such entertainers, maybe it was not a Dagger at all. But I would look and look, beautifully !

[Zaurbek]

It could have been Iskander .... And the GP could have shown it. Starts are very similar to Onyx.

[bars1]

Quote: Alexap

What a fig? The dagger is hypersonic, like any ballistic missile of comparable range. In the same China, all sorts of DF-21, DF-26 are not hypersonic, are they?

You are right, the Dagger became "unique, hypersonic" with the light hand of the Presidential Administration. It was necessary to show an achievement by the elections ...

[Andylw]

It should be recalled that at the moment Russia is the only country in the world with its army armed with hypersonic missile systems (weapons capable of reaching speeds of more than 5 M).

This is not true
in China, there are analogues of zircon, dagger and avant-garde

[Bez 310]

Unfortunately, there is no reason for joy.
We know almost nothing about this complex, well,
except that he is "unparalleled", and we can
just guess that the complex is working
only for targets with previously known coordinates.

[tralflot1832]

Yes, the footage shows a stationary object. The Chinese seem to be on a decommissioned dry cargo ship, hit it on the move!

[dauria]

and we can
just guess that the complex is working
only for targets with previously known coordinates

in the public domain on it there is an "all-weather" seeker. (probably ARLGSN) and shooting at moving targets (ships).
Information from our own military.
In general, even the type of engine is hidden, but there was a mention of direct flow.
Well, to fly the rocket itself 800 km at a speed of 10M, maneuvering along the route and get from the KVO 2 meters - such a thing is really unique and the adversaries do not yet have it.

In short, if you have no reason for joy, then why suddenly a reason for sadness? And they don't talk about the complex for obvious reasons.

[Bez 310]

Quote: dauria

why suddenly there is a reason for sadness?

This complex does not work on ships,
and why is it needed in its current form, not
quite understandable. As long as it's just a rocket
which flies very fast. And get
exactly on target with known coordinates
we learned a long time ago.

[dauria]

This complex does not work on ships,
and why is it needed in its current form, not
quite understandable

Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov noted in March 2018 that they can destroy both fixed and moving targets up to aircraft carriers and ships of the cruiser, destroyer, and frigate class.
Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/kindzal_aur/ VTS "BASTION" AVKarpenko

[Bez 310]

Yes Yes...
This rocket can destroy the ship,
but to get there? This is a big question.

[dauria]

but to get there? This is a big question.

In the same place "KVO 2 meters. Own active radar seeker
+ combined. "Brains" are no worse than those of a MGIMO graduate.
Why can't she choose in the search square and get into the trough, when ancient rockets like Granite (yes even X-22) could do this half a century ago?
What is the problem ? In target designation? So at a distance of 800 km they shoot into the square, where it "lit up" and there it will find the right trough itself. For it will not crawl far away during the flight.

[Bez 310]

Quote: dauria

Why can't she choose in the search square and get into the trough, when ancient rockets like Granite (yes even X-22) could do this half a century ago?

Learn the materiel.
"Granit" received control instructions from Tu-95rts or "Legends", and
The X-22 receives target data from the carrier's radar.
And how does the "Dagger" get control? There is no such system ...

[Kapany3]

Now we get "very quickly"

[Petrik66]

Well, thank you, the Chinese press finally admitted it. This is very important for us, the Chinese, with their well-oiled combat vehicle, which has been repeatedly tested in battles - these are true experts, probably second only to the Estonians.