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The Asian resource Soha announced a massive attack by the Turkish UAV Bayraktar-TB2 on the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system of the Syrian army

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The Asian resource Soha announced a massive attack by the Turkish UAV Bayraktar-TB2 on the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system of the Syrian army

Information appeared in foreign media that the Turkish troops decided to en masse use the Bayraktar unmanned aerial vehicles to “hunt” the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system of the Syrian armed forces. Data of this nature are published by the Asian resource Soha.


The material claims that two dozen Bayraktar-TB1 UAVs were used to attack the Pantsir-C2. In total, at least 30 missiles were fired at the Russian-made complex. At the same time, this did not cause any serious problems to "Pantsir".

From the material in Soha (Vietnam) with reference to the Turkish military observer Enes Kaya:

Only one of the missiles exploded in relative proximity to the ZRPK, as a result of which it received minor damage.

The article also claims that Russian military specialists were brought in to repair the damage.

This raises the question: was at least one Turkish drone shot down during that massive attack? There is no answer to this question at the moment. At the same time, in the material of this resource there is a commentary from the above-mentioned Turkish observer, who declares the mistakes of the actions of the Syrian calculation, which allowed the very fact of the approach of a large number of drones to the air defense missile system, which was at that time in the province of Idlib.

To what extent this information corresponds to reality, one can only guess, since there are no official confirmations (as well as denials) of the statements about the attack on the "Shell" so far.

At the same time, it is worth noting the sharply increased activity in Syria of both the Turkish military and pro-Turkish armed formations. So, since yesterday evening, strikes have been launched against the city of Seraqib in Idlib, controlled by the Syrian troops. At the same time, shelling of the positions of the SAA in the city itself, as well as in its suburbs, was carried out using both artillery and rocket launchers. Earlier, the Turkish army struck at the positions of the SAA in the north of the country - south of the city of El-Bab.
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  1. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 10 March 2021 06: 11
    +10
    Oh, the storytellers are gone. Now they will quickly come up with the details) why they suddenly decided to hunt for shells just to arrange and which themselves are trying to spoil day after day)
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 10 March 2021 06: 12
      -10%
      moreover, the UAV had more missiles than the shell.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 10 March 2021 06: 13
        +7
        Yes, this is another big top. Nice, of course, but it won't stop being nonsense.
      2. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
        Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 10 March 2021 07: 07
        +13
        Quote: Dodikson
        moreover, the UAV had more missiles than the shell.


        Let it be known to you, dear friend, that in addition to missiles, the Shell is armed with a cannon. Hence the variant of the battle: some of the targets were hit by missiles, some were shot from cannons. hi
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 10 March 2021 08: 06
          -16%
          from 8 kilometers? I have good news for you, you will be given a Nobel Prize for physics.
          if the bayraktar has the range of application of the UAB exactly 8 km
          1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
            Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 10 March 2021 08: 50
            +11
            Quote: Dodikson
            from 8 kilometers? I have good news for you, you will be given a Nobel Prize for physics.
            if the bayraktar has the range of application of the UAB exactly 8 km


            Dear friend, tell me, who exactly told you that the attack of Turkish drones took place from a distance of 8 km, but not closer? 8 km, which you indicated - there is a possible range of use of the UAB for the bayraktar, however, this drone can use the UAB from a shorter distance tongue

            Well, yes, of course, if you personally sat at the helm of that bayraktar ... well, or personally led the UAB to the target, being inside this ammunition ... well then, yes, then it's hard for me to argue with you wassat wassat wassat
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 10 March 2021 09: 32
              -16%
              Well, yes, the Turks who specifically bombed the Syrians, and noted Karabakh, no longer know that they can bomb from afar and it turns out that it is necessary to approach 100 meters that they were shot from machine guns.
              Do you really think the Turks are idiots?
              1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
                Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 10 March 2021 09: 39
                +6
                Quote: Dodikson
                Well, yes, the Turks who specifically bombed the Syrians, and noted Karabakh, no longer know that they can bomb from afar and it turns out that it is necessary to approach 100 meters that they were shot from machine guns.
                Do you really think the Turks are idiots?


                I don’t consider the Turks to be idiots, and have never considered them, but I believe in the miracles of camouflage, in which the Shell is difficult to see from 8 km.
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 10 March 2021 10: 08
                  -17%
                  I will tell you a secret, there is an electro-optical system, which includes a thermal imager (and not only)
                  You can also watch the video of the destruction of the Syrian Shell by the Israelis, where the Shell stood stupidly on the road and the crew was resting on the sidelines (the BC was shot, but the idea did not occur to them to conceal the ZRPK).
                  don't underestimate the predictability of dullness, especially in the Arab world.
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 10 March 2021 11: 27
                +1
                The Turks constantly receive responses in the form of completely accidentally gouged losses of advisers who, by pure chance, apparently find themselves among the bearded. Their brains are adjusted regularly. Just without fanaticism. They smashed them .... there someone in Syria has already lost to them? And if not, then local victories, for example, when the whole camp was gouged with losses for a hundred or the columns of fuel tankers does not mean that there is a minimum of their attacks?
            2. Old tanker
              Old tanker 10 March 2021 09: 43
              +13
              It should be noted that the Shell could shoot down the UABs themselves, that is, without hitting Bayraktar, he himself remained unaffected.
              1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
                Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 10 March 2021 10: 00
                +12
                Quote: Old Tankman
                It should be noted that the Shell could shoot down the UABs themselves, that is, without hitting Bayraktar, he himself remained unaffected.


                Yes of course. As one of the options, but for our dear friend Dodikson it is too difficult, incomprehensible, and even unnecessary ... his main goal is to crumple the Carapace.
                Kakel, I suppose ... well, or some other Russophobe ... what to take from him - if the tests, and those will be sour ... lol
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 10 March 2021 10: 12
                  -18%
                  wow, for Sirozha's friend it is difficult to read arithmetic for the first grade, and to think about the fact that Bayraktar carries several UAVs, and if there were 20 UAVs, then how many UAVs were there?
                  Tell us how Carapace 12 missiles shot down several dozen UAB missiles.
                  hungry for details
                  Well, you can watch a video of how the Carapace was shooting a quadrocopter from a cannon.
                  1. Mini Mokik
                    Mini Mokik 10 March 2021 10: 24
                    +10
                    Dodikson is it in English? Literally the son of Dodik? It means something?
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                  2. Achilles
                    Achilles 10 March 2021 12: 41
                    +3
                    Quote: Dodikson
                    Tell us how Carapace 12 missiles shot down several dozen UAB missiles.
                    hungry for details
                    Well, you can watch a video of how the Carapace was shooting a quadrocopter from a cannon.

                    Well, it has long been a long time since the Syrians have been letting out one Carapace on duty (2 or 3 each), firstly, secondly, in addition to 12 missiles, there is a cannon weapon that is also capable of shooting down missiles that attack this Carapace. Did you explain everything clearly or repeat it?
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 11 March 2021 01: 01
                      0
                      1) the article deals with one shell 2
                      2) cannons shoot at 3 km, UAB bayraktar shoots at 8 km
                      3) guns are sharpened for tomahawks, and not for UABs weighing 20kg, it was not for nothing that I wrote about shooting at a quadrocopter from cannons, the video is on the network.
                  3. Old tanker
                    Old tanker 10 March 2021 17: 37
                    +3
                    Cannons, sir, cannons, have you forgotten about them? A swarm of projectiles in a short, very short burst with a rate of fire of 5000 rounds per minute from a short distance destroys everything that only flies up to the Shell.
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 11 March 2021 01: 02
                      -3
                      do not demolish. A video of how Pantsir fired at small targets from the Zvezda TV channel is online.
                      Or you and the Zvezda TV channel will accuse that he is in vain introduces into Pantsir?
                      1. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 11 March 2021 06: 37
                        +2
                        I believe my own eyes. And live, and not from the TV screen.
            3. Intruder
              Intruder 10 March 2021 19: 16
              0
              that the attack of Turkish drones took place precisely from a distance of 8 km, but not closer? 8 km, which you indicated - there is a possible range of application of the UAB for the bayraktar
              And they have recruited uniform idiots as drone operators !? So that from a distance (effective maximum firing range): up to 4 m, throw UABs and other types of airborne aircraft to use at a ground target, that is, "close", with the ZRPK complex deployed in position! ??? This is a pretty bold assumption, if about: closer than 000 km !? belay
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 10 March 2021 09: 07
          0
          "Was at least one Turkish drone shot down during that massive attack? There is no answer to this question at the moment" It is quite possible that the Baraktars were not shot down. It looked like there was a competition between the "craftsmen": the Syrians admitted that they were attacking him in the "stop", but they could not get into the "shell"
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        3. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 10 March 2021 23: 22
          0


          Hence the variant of the battle: some of the targets were hit by missiles, some were shot from cannons. hi



          I think it is practically impossible to shoot down the planning ammunition from the shells of the Pantsir, especially when there are several dozen of these ammunition.

          At best, cannons can hit some cheap reconnaissance drone flying at a low altitude in order to save a rocket.

          This story about twenty Bayraktars against one Shell looks more like nonsense.
        4. Ingenegr
          Ingenegr 11 March 2021 01: 23
          0
          According to the officers operating the Pantsiri-S, the cannons have an efficiency close to zero. Quote from one of the operators: "it would be better if they were removed, and more missiles were added."
      3. Guards turn
        Guards turn 10 March 2021 08: 03
        +5
        Russian and foreign media report a large-scale attack by Turkey in Syria on the Pantsir-S air defense missile system.
        According to media reports, after the destruction of the Turkish drums of the UAV over Syria, a massive attack was carried out on one of the Pantsir-S air defense missile systems. He was immediately attacked by 20 shock-reconnaissance drones. According to the newspaper, "Sokha", most of the missiles were repelled, one exploded next to the "Shell", but did not destroy it.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 10 March 2021 19: 20
          +1
          one exploded near the Shell, but did not destroy it.
          so "close" that it is no longer on the battlefield, but needs:
          that Russian military specialists were brought in to repair the damage.
          that is, it is in a state (reading, between the lines ...) that it did damage and inflict critical damage, for this, Russian specialists were called ...
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 11 March 2021 06: 48
            +1
            And so you can read
      4. Piramidon
        Piramidon 10 March 2021 09: 36
        0
        And the "Pantsir" crew, as always, left for prayer at this time?
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 10 March 2021 07: 21
      +17
      castrom11 - it's not a matter of fairy tales, the fact took place, the Turks decided to recoup on a single Panzer in Syria, only the crew was well prepared! And, in general, not 20 but 5 Turkish ubplas fired all their missiles into Armor, with virtually zero result! It's just that they've been writing about this for three days on other resources, at least the information could be found at first even on Turkish resources, but then, however, it was removed from there quickly. It seems like a couple of ubpl were shot down, and there, who knows. ..
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 10 March 2021 07: 37
        +4
        The whole trouble with such information is that it has overgrown with all sorts of speculation for these three days. Let's say it was. And at 5 I can believe. But I stubbornly cannot understand the very meaning of this action. To carry out an entire special operation for the sake of a single shell for some strange reason, why? What is the profit?
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 10 March 2021 07: 53
          +12
          castrom11 - the trouble is that our military does not share such information, but in vain, in fact this is an excellent advertisement for our complex! All information comes either from foreigners, or through "unnamed sources", sometimes even our military who do not want to get rid of their bosses for it! Here, for example, also from the category of rumors, in Syria on New Year's Eve, the Turks from the ubpla decided to also unpack the Armor, they pulled it on a trawl, only bad luck - one ubpla "received serious damage", or even was shot down, and the other two shot all the missiles wasted and flew away. ..Whether it was or not is known only to our military, and they again do not give any comments! Although, the Turks in Syria "designated" our complexes as targets number 1, so such battles are quite a place to be! !!
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 10 March 2021 09: 39
            +2
            Quote: Thrifty
            the Turks in Syria "designated" our complexes as targets number 1, so such battles are quite a place to be! !!

            Are they checking for real combat stability? What about? They took the S-400, now they are thinking about the "Pantsir" ... If they and the Americans continue such grating, maybe they will take the Pantsir
          2. Guards turn
            Guards turn 10 March 2021 11: 40
            +3
            NATO considers the Tula "Pantsir-C1" as an ideal weapon in the fight against UAVs. The Joint Center of Excellence of the NATO Air Force considers the "Pantsir-C1" anti-aircraft missile-gun system, developed by the Tula Instrument Design Bureau named after A.G. Shipunov, an ideal weapon in the fight against unmanned aerial vehicles. Analysts published a corresponding report. In the document, experts noted the use of air defense systems at a Russian military base in Syria. Analysts note that the complex was originally designed to provide targeted air defense against aircraft and helicopters, as well as to provide additional protection for air defense units. "These characteristics do." Pantsir-C1 "is ideally suited to counter the entire spectrum of threats - from small to tactical UAVs," the report says.
        2. loki565
          loki565 10 March 2021 08: 27
          +1
          The whole trouble with such information is that it has overgrown with all sorts of speculation for these three days. Let's say it was. And at 5 I can believe. But I stubbornly cannot understand the very meaning of this action. To carry out an entire special operation for the sake of a single shell for some strange reason, why? What is the profit?

          When you lose a UAV for several million dollars, you eliminate the threat and, in order to be sure to apply the "swarm" Standard Turkish tactics, use at least 5 UAVs, which include: reconnaissance, strike, as well as repeaters or electronic warfare
          1. dSK
            dSK 10 March 2021 12: 40
            +1
            Quote: loki565
            Standard Turkish tactics employ a minimum of 5 UAVs
            worth tens of millions of $$;
            shelling of SAA positions in the city itself, as well as in its suburbs, was carried out using both artillery and and rocket launchers.
            It war not with the "mujahideen", but with the regular Turkish army or Turkish PMCs ...
        3. boris epstein
          boris epstein 11 March 2021 17: 59
          0
          The profit is simple: PR. And the compromise of Pantsir and Russia as a developer and supplier of weapons.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 10 March 2021 09: 40
        +6
        Quote: Thrifty
        And, in general, it is not 20 but 5 Turkish ubplas

        Not in the lottery, but in cards, did not win, but lost, and not the Volga, but three rubles. laughing
      3. vladcub
        vladcub 11 March 2021 06: 59
        0
        "Actually, not 20, but5" reminded me "when I was little. My mom dropped it from the second floor," and after new glasses it turned out to be the 5th floor. "The Miracle of St. Januarius" with the participation of Igor Ilyinsky
    3. venik
      venik 10 March 2021 10: 50
      +1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Oh, the storytellers are gone. Now they will quickly come up with the details) why they suddenly decided to arrange a hunt for shells

      ========
      Whole 20 "Bayraktarov" on the only one "Carapace" ??? belay
      Hmm! The tradition is fresh, but I can hardly believe it! Somehow it smells of fake! request
      1. dSK
        dSK 10 March 2021 12: 51
        +1
        Today, numerous world military publications reported that the military personnel of the Russian Federation, in the course of tactical operations of electronic warfare on the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic, acquired one of the most invulnerable Israeli Delilah missiles.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 10 March 2021 06: 17
    +4
    To what extent this information corresponds to reality, one can only guess, since there are no official confirmations (as well as denials) of the statements about the attack on the "Shell" so far.

    It was, it was not ... one interesting thing, those bar r r anti-aircraft gunners again PANTSIRI, one by one, are driving here and there?
    1. cniza
      cniza 10 March 2021 09: 16
      +4
      Someone really wants that Armor is not bought from Russia ...

      Good time! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 March 2021 09: 18
        +2
        Wanting is not harmful, that's just how to protect objects?
        Welcome soldier
        1. cniza
          cniza 10 March 2021 09: 35
          +1
          So comrades from the East and not only, will offer their funds ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 10 March 2021 09: 44
            +1
            So yes, there is competition, but with efficiency, not everything is so clear and all is well.
            In general, time will tell, judge!
            1. cniza
              cniza 10 March 2021 10: 00
              +1
              So they are trying to throw in information that is very difficult to verify ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 10 March 2021 10: 19
                +3
                In real combat conditions, in conditions of real counteraction of electronic warfare systems and other interfering factors, not many systems have been tested.
                PANTSIR also underwent modernization, according to the results of such a check ... everything is in the subject, as they say and do!
                1. cniza
                  cniza 10 March 2021 10: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: rocket757

                  PANTSIR also underwent modernization, according to the results of such a check ... everything is in the subject, as they say and do!


                  And the fighting in Syria helped a lot of our weapons, in terms of refinement ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 10 March 2021 10: 31
                    +2
                    This is so, in wartime, weapons either break through as insolvent, or are upgraded to the required level.
                    1. Kuroneko
                      Kuroneko 10 March 2021 15: 14
                      +2
                      "It is not technology that is fighting, people are fighting." (from)
                      The main plus is the development of real combat experience. Modern wars by self-respecting powers have not been fought for a long time with cheap equipment and even cheaper human resources a la "take-off and landing". Professionals are now the main value.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 10 March 2021 15: 30
                        +2
                        Quote: Kuroneko
                        Professionals are now the main value

                        Professionals need good technology ... you can't do much without it.
            2. hydrox
              hydrox 10 March 2021 10: 11
              +1
              Do the Chinese have anything similar to Thor, Beech or Shell?
              Well, such that it would be possible to organize an air defense system module from the S-400 and these small ones?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 10 March 2021 10: 26
                +1
                The Chinese, judging by the nomenclature of the product, is in process and they do not intend to lag behind us!
                Those. in narrow circles it is known what they have to offer ...
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 10 March 2021 12: 59
                  +1
                  So we need to upgrade the air defense kit not piece by piece, but consider this kit ONLY as supplied as part of the system complex.
                  I think that Russian science can already think systematically - so let the jew's harp CHETI
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 10 March 2021 13: 09
                    0
                    Everywhere it was the same, with us too, "it was beautiful on paper, but they forgot about the ravines!"
                    Plans, projects are being created, and the thing seems to be done ... what will be the result ??? the result will be, when and what, it is impossible to guess.
          2. boris epstein
            boris epstein 11 March 2021 18: 04
            0
            Trampled from Rossiyskikh.It's not the first time in China.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 March 2021 06: 23
    +3
    How much this information is true is anyone's guess.
    Why guess. Let's wait for confirmation or refutation of the Syrian media and possibly our RF Ministry of Defense. 20 UAVs for one "Shell" for what? To compromise the Russian air defense system or to show what cool Turkish UAVs - 20 for one? There are many questions, but there is no answer yet.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 10 March 2021 09: 23
      +4
      And when there is more than one PANTSIRE, how many Bayraktars should we send them?
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 10 March 2021 13: 08
        +2
        Here we need to think in a different plane: how many UAV fighters should we deploy against this number of drones, with the aim of avoiding losses in the defense segment built on the Pantsir (and there are Buk segments and S-400 segments - we cannot do without AI, since the operator, in principle, cannot determine the degree of danger of each drone in relation to each segment of the network complex) ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 10 March 2021 13: 12
          +4
          Quote: hydrox
          Here we need to think in a different plane :: how many UAV fighters should we put up against this number of drones

          The question is RIGHT ... as the respected expert put it, one plane, even a Yak 130, will sweep away all this pack / swarm, at one, two, three ... without too much straining.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 10 March 2021 16: 46
            +2
            Previously, at the dawn of drones, I would have answered the same, but when drones began to walk in swarms, and even with a wide variety of weapons, I will not say so now.
            And Yakushka ... I like this airplane and feel sorry for him: after all, in a crowd of 2-3 dozen drones, 1-2 with the seeker can get in the way - and the ambassador Yakushka: at such a short distance it is impossible to miss a light rocket
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 10 March 2021 18: 10
              +1
              What is good about the plane ... you can hang a lot of different equipment on it, the same electronic warfare container and other miscellaneous ... it can go into the attack from any convenient angle and shoot down drones without substituting ...
              In general, everything is much more interesting than you might imagine.
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 10 March 2021 21: 20
              +1
              after all, in a crowd of 2-3 dozen drones, 1-2 with the seeker can get in the way - and the ambassador Yakushka: at such a short distance, it is impossible to miss a light rocket
              there may be a couple of heavy shock UAVs, already with airborne missile systems and electronic warfare, and a memorial service for the crew of the Yak 130 !?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 10 March 2021 21: 59
                +2
                Come on ... UAVs are not virtuosos of flight "acrobatics", they fly further, straight, without any special tricks. The plane comes in pursuit of the "swarm" and hits the most dangerous, from a distance, those who are trying to make some kind of evolution and EVERYTHING. Then everything is like a textbook .... the extermination of little maneuverable targets.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 10 March 2021 22: 08
                  +1
                  UAVs are not virtuosos of flight "acrobatics", they fly further, straight, without any special tricks
                  until ... there was no need! wink But in the development of the slave, as is now the case with small-sized versions of the URVV and tactical ammunition, they will catch up with the piloted for a possible "dog dump", with aerobatics, plus they have fewer overload restrictions than for the pilot's organic brain and vascular system, optional live after: 5-6 G !? current is a little sluggish and with poor coordination of movements ... winked
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 10 March 2021 22: 21
                    +1
                    Quote: Intruder
                    But in the development of the followers,

                    When they develop, it will be possible to discuss it, take measures, practice extermination tactics ... but for now there is NOTHING to discuss.
                    A well-trained pilot, on a well-equipped aircraft, will ruin this swarm to smithereens.
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 11 March 2021 00: 15
                      0
                      A well-trained pilot, on a well-equipped aircraft, will ruin this swarm to smithereens.
                      yep .... a well-trained pilot, he still has to grow, educate and study, with training ... and this does not keep pace with the technological development of technology and "smart" electronics, look how everything has jumped over the past 20 years (back in 00 -x neural processors at 5 nm., were fiction, and now mass technology in smartphones and quantum algorithms, etc ...), and a pilot in his 20 years of biological age, namely, no longer has enough knowledge and experience to be well "prepared" for this confrontation with technology, plus the organic limitations of his body, and the notorious "human factor", especially last year, nature is such, it can be unpredictable wink laughing ... how many adjustments were made by that same pandemic, it even reached the naval forces in 2020, but only a virus and a truncated, there is no pilot with his training, with 35-50% of lung lesions no longer fly, from the word at all !!!
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 11 March 2021 08: 08
                        +2
                        Objectively, different factors make it necessary to make adjustments everywhere. You cannot ignore them.
                        The time will come when automated systems will fight, and a person will only be present and not necessarily nearby ...
                      2. hydrox
                        hydrox 11 March 2021 10: 40
                        +2
                        And such a time has already come and the AI ​​of this kind of maneuvering execution will do how to send two bytes - so a start has already been made, and we got carried away with heavy drones and missed drones - suicides and this will still hiccup, as Wagner already hiccuped in the absence of gunships as weapons intimidation ...
                        By the way, the VKS should have already received a couple, EMNIP.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 11 March 2021 10: 53
                        +2
                        Something that is controversial, something obvious ... when they figure it out, determine, resources, opportunities are calculated, then ...
                        Not everyone remembers the saying, who did not have time, he was late! Another saying - A clever learns from other people's mistakes, and a fool always ... always remains a fool.
                      4. hydrox
                        hydrox 11 March 2021 12: 25
                        +1
                        We will still have time to become a fool, but now we need to hurry up to learn from other people's mistakes, but to drag everything good to ourselves, and apply - you see, it will take less time to implement, and then we will get closer to welfare.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 10 March 2021 19: 27
      0
      one plane, even a Yak 130, will sweep away all this pack / swarm, at one, two, three ... without too much straining.
      Well, then the L-39 (L-39ZA is a further development of the L-39ZO and L-39ZAM), he can only update the sighting station and add a digital control system for installation under the fuselage of the GSh-23-2 double-barreled cannon.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 March 2021 19: 33
        +1
        It's cool, but L-39s are also fighting in some places.
        Not an "angel of death", of course, but fish without fish and cancer.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 10 March 2021 21: 14
          0
          Not an "angel of death", of course, but fish without fish and cancer.
          and a fist .... well, you know what I mean !? laughing Lightweight and cheap, easy-to-learn initial, "economy-class" attack aircraft for unpretentious and not very wealthy weapons operators!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 10 March 2021 22: 05
            +2
            In the right hands, any technique can give more than one can imagine without knowing the topic thoroughly.
    3. clerk
      clerk 10 March 2021 22: 35
      +1
      Wouldn't it be cheaper to resume production of some kind of La-11 and put the regiment on alert?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 March 2021 06: 13
        +2
        Still, there are options for using turboprop aviation ... we are a little tight with these, we do not make power plants of this type ourselves, and no one will make piston ones, their time has passed.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 11 March 2021 10: 18
          +1
          There are a few more such situations when drones will just push their elbows, preventing planes from flying - and there will definitely be a combat general who will still give a pendel to someone in the Ministry of Defense, and they accordingly crucify turbo builders who will finally learn how to make disposable turbomotors on stamped turbines for maneuvering suicide drones.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 March 2021 10: 30
            +1
            Hope for someone, naive ...
            And the business is really necessary.
            But where are not far-sighted, effective managers and simply greedy, from state interests to tear and chew ??? Under the new "philosophical parakhody" to organize ??? only with a different contingent ...
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 11 March 2021 10: 26
          +1
          But with this how to say: the Chinese are now producing a full line of two-stroke 1-5 strong at a price of 1 thousand rubles. per hp and up to 4-stroke, starting from 8-10 hp. at a price starting from 1 tr / h.p. (higher - more expensive). But these are engines, the resource of which is calculated in hundreds or even thousands of engine hours!
          And this price is already in Russia!
          Will ours really be worse?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 March 2021 11: 54
            +1
            Quote: hydrox
            Will ours really be worse?

            When they will, there will be a topic for discussion ...
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 11 March 2021 11: 59
              +1
              It will be too late, you forgot about the length of development, implementation, testing and series cycles ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 11 March 2021 12: 01
                +1
                Quote: hydrox
                It will be too late

                In this matter, nothing depends on US ... I have not the leg that can kick someone!
                I state the situation and ... pi pi pi.
        3. clerk
          clerk 11 March 2021 11: 51
          +1
          ... Still, there are options for using turboprop aviation ... we are a little tight with these, we do not make power plants of this type ourselves, and no one will make piston ones, their time has passed.
          Well I do not know. EMNP was designed by the combat Yak-52. Who is stopping now to make the same one out of the Yak-152, placing a couple of machine guns under the wings? To form several regiments of pilots of small qualifications and transfer them to threatened directions .... It is clear that the engines are German, but you can buy several hundred in stock.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 March 2021 11: 57
            +1
            Quote: clerk
            It is clear that the engines are German, but you can buy several hundred in stock.

            As soon as the assignment is DUAL, this channel will be blocked once, twice ... the minke whales have such a dense web of control over everything and everyone, they will spot it, and they make decisions quickly!
            1. clerk
              clerk 11 March 2021 12: 45
              +1
              ... As soon as the assignment is DUAL, this channel will be blocked once, twice ... the minke whales have such a dense web of control over everything and everyone, they will spot it, and they make decisions quickly!
              They bought it in Soviet times and will buy it now - a little more expensive, but not with Newton's binomial.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 11 March 2021 13: 07
                0
                Once, twice, and then the web twitches ...
                I am not guessing, I heard just that the other day.
                1. clerk
                  clerk 11 March 2021 13: 23
                  0
                  .Once, two, and then the web twitches ...
                  I am not guessing, I heard just that the other day.
                  Who did you hear from? wink I see no problem in purchasing several hundred piston aircraft engines, at least through dummies.
                2. rocket757
                  rocket757 11 March 2021 13: 43
                  0
                  Turkey also bought, not in striped areas .... now they themselves are forced to do, although this is just a preferable, reliable option, probably.
                3. clerk
                  clerk 11 March 2021 16: 06
                  0
                  Once again - the USSR // Russia has extensive experience in purchasing dual-use products bypassing all sorts of sanctions. And already several hundred piston aircraft diesels of 500 hp each. - not a problem at all.
                4. rocket757
                  rocket757 11 March 2021 18: 22
                  0
                  You can remember the times of Tsar Pea ...
                  Quote: clerk
                  Once again - the USSR has // Russia has a lot of experience in purchasing

                  And now let's remember how many allies the USSR had .... INTELLIGENCE and through whom those purchases, in the main, were carried out!
                  Yes, and what is the speed of ACCOUNTING, CONTROL on those topics on which we have real seams and therefore there is a need to purchase foreign equipment. Now even teams of analysts and intelligence officers are not needed in the field. They scored a search query, took control of manufacturers and voila, sitting in the states, they control half of the world ...
                  Something like this now such things are done and this is a REAL PROBLEM, for us, for example.
                5. clerk
                  clerk 11 March 2021 19: 15
                  0
                  ... Yes, and what is the speed of ACCOUNTING, CONTROL on those topics on which we have real seams and therefore there is a need to purchase foreign equipment. Now even teams of analysts and intelligence officers are not needed in the field. They scored a search query, took control of manufacturers and voila, sitting in the states, they control half of the world ...
                  Something like this now such things are done and this is a REAL PROBLEM, for us, for example.
                  What has intelligence to do with it? You are intimidating yourself again ...
                6. rocket757
                  rocket757 11 March 2021 19: 23
                  0
                  Read the history of Bulgarian intelligence, how many technical innovations, secrets they brought to the USSR, intelligence of the GDR worked no worse, and others helped ...
                  CMEA and the Warsaw Pact were so strong that they worked TOGETHER!
                  It is useful to know history, it helps to dispel empty illusions.
                7. clerk
                  clerk 11 March 2021 19: 27
                  0
                  ... Read the history of Bulgarian intelligence, how many technical innovations, secrets they brought to the USSR, intelligence of the GDR worked no worse, and others helped ...
                  CMEA and the Warsaw Pact were so strong that they worked TOGETHER!
                  It is useful to know history, it helps to dispel empty illusions.
                  It is useful to know Russian - then you will not have to confuse intelligence work with trade and procurement.
                8. rocket757
                  rocket757 11 March 2021 19: 35
                  0
                  The products needed for the defense industry have never been just trade and procurement.
                  If you are on the part of just trading .... not interested.
  • riwas
    riwas 10 March 2021 06: 31
    +8
    For a reason, the United States deployed Pantsir-C1 to guard its Al-Tajji air base north of Baghdad.
    https://topcor.ru/18480-rossijskij-zrk-pancir-s1-vzjat-na-ohranu-amerikanskoj-bazy-v-irake.html
  • lelik613
    lelik613 10 March 2021 06: 59
    -21%
    We look forward to crying about another stab in the back.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 10 March 2021 07: 23
      +3
      Lelik613 - stay at least with your back against the wall in a fight, and no one will hit you in the back, except for the wall itself. ...
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  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 10 March 2021 07: 26
    -8
    It is unlikely that all twenty were hunting for the shell. Most likely, he ended up in the zone where these unmanned aerial vehicles worked, so he remained intact, and the bayraktars were not shot down.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 March 2021 07: 54
    -7
    that for the attack on "Pantsir-C1" were used two dozen Bayraktar-TB2 UAVs at once.
    Seriously? $ 30 million "swarm" against Shell - the approximate cost of which is about $ 15 million (2010 estimate)
    1. loki565
      loki565 10 March 2021 08: 20
      +3
      Several UAVs were shot down in this area and in order to surely destroy the shell they used a "swarm" They usually act like this, at least 5 UAVs, which include reconnaissance, shock, as well as repeaters or electronic warfare
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 10 March 2021 10: 18
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      two dozen Bayraktar-TB1 UAVs were used to attack the Pantsir-C2.

      That is the question: such gigantic forces on both sides, and the score is 0: 0
      Something is wrong here and it looks like both sides are lying. request
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 10 March 2021 12: 10
        +3
        That is the question: such gigantic forces on both sides, and the score is 0: 0
        The Syrian crew freely let the Bayraktar at a shot distance and only after that began to defend themselves, it can be assumed that there was no order to destroy the UAV, at least until the missiles were launched on the shell. On fm news yesterday, the incident was mentioned.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 March 2021 07: 56
    -1
    What is this opus about, does anyone understand?
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 10 March 2021 08: 06
    +3
    What is there to discuss? What could not have happened, but was it possible? Or was it not so? Or so but it wasn’t? Why circulate rumors?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 10 March 2021 08: 10
    0
    Quote: Thrifty
    Lelik613 - stay at least with your back against the wall in a fight, and no one will hit you in the back, except for the wall itself. ...

    He has already stopped the wall. Head
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  • Anar
    Anar 10 March 2021 08: 29
    +2
    I just read this article, the author paraphrased what is written there in order to create the topic under discussion, probably for his rating. This paraphrasing casts doubt on the author's legal capacity.
  • cniza
    cniza 10 March 2021 09: 15
    +5
    To what extent this information corresponds to reality, one can only guess, since there are no official confirmations (as well as denials) of the statements about the attack on the "Shell" so far.


    There is an information war ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 10 March 2021 09: 25
      +3
      Someone calls it competition ???
      1. cniza
        cniza 10 March 2021 09: 38
        +3
        Wars also solve competition problems ... yes
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 10 March 2021 09: 45
          +2
          Well, yes, there is no competitor, it is over, and there is no more problem!
          1. cniza
            cniza 10 March 2021 10: 03
            +3
            Information war, often, is more effective than a hot war ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 10 March 2021 10: 29
              +3
              Well, yes, those are the times! It is not necessary to poison the wells; it is enough to remotely turn off / upset the water purification process and an epidemic can arise by itself!
              1. cniza
                cniza 10 March 2021 10: 46
                +3
                It's even easier to say that you can't drink water ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 10 March 2021 10: 51
                  +2
                  So here it is even easier .... to tell one grandmother and rushed! OBS cannot be overcome by any means.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 10 March 2021 10: 52
                    +4
                    So about it, social. nets are worse than any grandma ... yes
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 10 March 2021 10: 56
                      +2
                      So you will not find attendants on the benches with fire during the day !!! They are all there, in space, in the web! They do their usual "work" ... in secret, to the whole world!
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 10 March 2021 11: 03
                        +3
                        I never thought about it, but surely there are a lot of them there too ...
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 10 March 2021 11: 23
                        +2
                        But on the benches it diminished !!!
                        In cities, it is understandable, and in villages, almost the same thing.
  • iouris
    iouris 10 March 2021 09: 21
    +2
    Roofing felts "Bayraktary" ... stale, roofing felts "Shell" oak ...
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 10 March 2021 09: 40
    +11
    We'll have to cut a little sturgeon about the "might" of Turkish drones laughing
    Psi:

    All. what was left the other day from the newest Turkish UAV Vestel Karayel, of which 10 pieces have been slapped so far by the order of the Saudis after a meeting with the Houthis.
    And, well, at the same time, an Israeli drone from Chiron in Afghanistan, in the service of the Wehrmacht, 3 days ago:
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 11 March 2021 13: 09
      0
      And, well, at the same time, an Israeli drone from Chiron in Afghanistan, in the service of the Wehrmacht, 3 days ago
      the tambourine does not burn, the female dog ...!? wink A rare freak, in the bottom photo ... and the cross on board is modestly so, small ... winked
      the other day from the newest Turkish UAV Vestel Karayel,
      but how did you determine that this is him !? winked from the photo, this crushed iron, or rather its fragments, or by the name of the photo !? wink
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 11 March 2021 13: 37
        0
        It was the Houthis who determined it) They have been there lately in technique)))
        https://twitter.com/i/status/1369278979589480450
        A Turkish-made Vestel Karayel drone was shot down in Yemen by supporters of the Ansar Allah (Houthis) movement. The incident took place in the sky of Al Jawf governorate.
  • nod739
    nod739 10 March 2021 09: 56
    +4
    Great news!
    Like they shot. It seems even a lot. Or maybe not a lot, or maybe they didn't shoot ... Or maybe it was a janitor .. He walked through the countryside .. To the nearest hazel, for a new broom (c)
  • APASUS
    APASUS 10 March 2021 10: 07
    +2
    Is the material based on speculation? Cool, the role of the media in storytelling is increasing
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 11 March 2021 14: 25
      0
      Cool, the role of the media in storytelling is increasing
      There has always been a high role for the media, all sorts of Wangs and others: Casey, with the Nostradamus .., which century has already been fooling the population in different countries !? winked
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 10 March 2021 10: 27
    +1
    Am I the only one who sees it or does everyone think so?
    Someone is clearly beguiled and begs for the role of a guinea pig for testing special low-power ammunition. After all, we need to think about how to destroy the same missile defense systems in Europe in the first minutes? - need to. Syria is an excellent theater for testing this class of weapons. All the more, the fuel consumption and the number of sorties of our aviation, the workload on the pilots, and hence the need for the volume of military cargo transportation will also be noticeably reduced.

    As the saying goes, "and the girl is ripe," plus it is time for her to remind her that she is not dealing with a slobbering and pimply youth, but with a respectable and respectable man. Light slaps on the buttocks and crumpled centesimal bills for the elastic band of tomato-colored thongs create false impressions for the girl.

    About ecology, etc.
    If anything, the damage will be much less than from the thousands of American shells with uranium cores used in Iraq for just one Desert Storm campaign. In my opinion, it's time to get out of wide trousers and bang, uh-uh, a shoe on the table.
    At the same time, create conditions where, after all, the UN mechanisms will work and international law, and not unilateral sanctions and the laws of another, another, enraged lady. Otherwise, if pisyunit and play by the rules of the opposite side, we are torn apart and, frankly speaking, in the end they will wear out ... just like the USSR. As a result, our losses, including human losses, will be enormous. Remember how many people we lost in the process and after the collapse of the USSR. Yes, with such human losses, it was possible to start a nuclear war, the casualties from which would have been less as a result of a retaliatory strike.
    I don't think you need to play in the sandbox by someone else's rules. While there are still old rules and the enraged lady did not completely wash them down the toilet, you need to ask a simple question and in a tough form - who besides us is in Syria at the invitation of the legitimate government and what are they doing there? There is no invitation, went to the root crop, and with the dull "who did not hide, I am not to blame."
  • Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 10 March 2021 10: 55
    +1
    20 UAVs, 30 missiles and not one hit, who will invent an even more delusional story ?! In Karabakh, rockets / bombs almost clearly flew into the loophole. I will believe that there were a couple of Bayraktars whose missiles were shot down by Pantsir, the rest is simply not realistic.
  • Vadim F
    Vadim F 10 March 2021 11: 34
    0
    The funny thing about this infoserver is not 20 drones per 1 shell, but the fact that the ammunition fell next to the shell ...
  • senima56
    senima56 10 March 2021 12: 40
    +2
    “This raises the question: was at least one Turkish drone shot down during that massive attack?” - this is the most interesting thing!
  • Alexey Zigalov
    Alexey Zigalov 11 March 2021 08: 42
    0
    Dear colleagues, who knows the reload time of the Shell? The example shows that the tactic of using the shell is idiotic. Who taught them to our military officers means that it will repeat itself in Donbass. Turkey, Poland, Romania, etc. will join the war. In short, it will not seem enough to us. Until our generals understand that with the advent of the Autonomously Flying Combat Complexes, the tactics of combat operations have fundamentally changed. First of all, they will be used to protect their own air defense and the destruction of enemy air defense.
    1. clerk
      clerk 11 March 2021 12: 59
      0
      ... Until our generals understand that with the advent of the Autonomously Flying Combat Complexes, the tactics of combat operations have fundamentally changed. First of all, they will be used to protect their air defense and destroy P
      Everything new is well forgotten old. The appearance of swarms of small, cheap attack drones will cause opposition in the form of flamethrowers or SK grapeshot. Clouds of bayraktars will bring back to life piston fighters with I-16 performance characteristics, unpaved airfields, low-skilled pilots (greetings from DOSAAF) and VNOS posts as guidance. And another question - which will be more expensive. Do not intimidate yourself - at close range the chip against the club does not work.
  • Alexey Zigalov
    Alexey Zigalov 11 March 2021 13: 55
    0
    The clerk is what our generals think. They will release flocks or swarms (and three parrots, is that a bunch?) Of business UAVs with a grenade and smash the foe ... that's when tomorrow the Nazis will exterminate the civilian population of the LPR and DPR, and the entire European Union will yell Russia again as with Georgia, attacked to a poor country. Then you will not need flocks and swarms.
    1. clerk
      clerk 11 March 2021 16: 08
      0
      ... that's when tomorrow the Nazis will exterminate the civilian population of the LPR and DPR, and the entire European Union will yell Russia again as with Georgia, attacked a poor country. Then you won't need packs and swarms.
      You have watched TV. Drink some water and calm down. Russia will intervene in this conflict when it is FAVORABLE FOR IT. And who's going to yell at something - it's 115.
  • Outsider
    Outsider 12 March 2021 18: 20
    0
    Quote: Dodikson
    from 8 kilometers? I have good news for you, you will be given a Nobel Prize for physics.
    if the bayraktar has the range of application of the UAB exactly 8 km

    It's height 8 and range is 14 (open Google for a laugh).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAM_(Smart_Micro_Munition)#Technical_specifications