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Shooting oil can or ersatz-Thompson

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The American M3 submachine gun and its modification M3A1 are symbols of the Second World War.


The submachine gun stood out for its unprepossessing, but memorable appearance, having received the official nickname Grease gun. Weapon it turned out as simple as possible, but did not lose its effectiveness. In the USSR, after testing, they even recognized this model as one of the best examples of automatic small arms, rating the M3 above the Thompson submachine gun.

This American submachine gun got its nickname Grease gun (literally "grease gun"). It was all about the oil can built into the handle. In addition, in its appearance, the weapon very much resembled automobile oil cans-syringes.

The weapon, which was developed as a cheap and simple alternative to Thompson, did not enjoy much love in the army during the Second World War. But it did not cause any negative either. Moreover, история put everything in its place. Erzats-Thompson, as the American soldiers called the M3 submachine gun, turned out to be surprisingly tenacious and in demand, having outlived his famous relative.

The model remained in service with the American infantry at least until the 1960s. And in tank troops delayed until the early 1990s and Operation Desert Storm.

Replacing Thompson


Total war and familiarity with models of foreign-made submachine guns, primarily the German MP-40 and British STEN, forced the Americans to develop their own version of the wartime submachine gun. The model, with its low cost and simplicity, like European models, should not have lost its high fighting qualities.

Shooting oil can or ersatz-Thompson
Partial disassembly of the M3 submachine gun

New small arms for the American army were created by an emigrant from Germany, George Hyde. The designer designed his most famous submachine gun completely without wooden parts, deciding on the widespread use of stamping and spot welding. The latter circumstances, among other things, made it possible to deploy the mass production of the model at car factories.

In practice, in the manufacture of the M3, in addition to the barrel, only the bolt of the new submachine gun required some additional processing. At the same time, a simple retractable wire-type stock was lightweight and could be used as a cleaning rod.

A series of tests carried out at the Aberdeen test site showed that the weapon is resistant to dusting with a cement mixture. Weapon and mud test passed. And the Marines especially noted that a submachine gun can be fired even after it was dropped into the water in the surf. And tankers and paratroopers especially emphasized the compactness of the novelty.

The weapon, which was created as a cheap analogue of the Thompson submachine gun, most of all resembled not a deadly product, but an auto mechanic's tool. The model was difficult in appearance to be attributed to the advanced developments. However, the submachine gun coped with its main tasks with a bang. Weapons did not need to be elegant to be used on the battlefield.

The model, designated M3, fully met the need to produce as many weapons as possible, as quickly and cheaply as possible. The difference in cost with Thompson was colossal. If one M3 cost the budget only $ 20 (in the prices of those years), then Thompson took about $ 260 apiece from taxpayers' pockets.

The weapon was so cheap that the United States did not even care about producing enough parts for this model. In this regard, the M3 was disposable. If, in battle, a soldier or a Marine encountered damage to a weapon, they could simply throw it away and wait for a replacement from the accumulated stocks.


American soldier with an M3 submachine gun in France, 1944

In total, during the war years in the United States, they managed to produce more than 600 thousand M3 submachine guns.

At the same time, already the first contract of December 1942 provided for the supply of 300 thousand samples of new small arms to the troops. The release of a new submachine gun was launched at one of the factories of the General Motors concern. In a peaceful life, this enterprise specialized in the production of car headlights. And he had extensive experience in the production of stamped parts, which turned out to be the best possible.

The replacement for Thompson was so successful that during the Korean War of 1950-1953, the M3 and M3A1 submachine guns were used more massively than the Thompsons of various modifications. The weapon, despite looking like it was bought from a hardware store on sale, has proven to be very reliable and practical.

Technical features of the M3 submachine gun


The M3 submachine gun was built on a freewheel automatic. Weapons are fired from an open bolt. The body of the model was made of stamped steel. And the barrel was housed in a special sleeve, which simultaneously served as the front cover of the receiver.

A notable distinguishing feature of the submachine gun was the characteristic cocking handle, which the designer placed below the line of the barrel of the weapon. It was cocked by turning about a quarter of a turn back.

Later it turned out that such a cocking unit was not reliable enough, therefore, in the modernized version of the M3A1, it underwent changes. The cocking handle was replaced with a groove in the body of the bolt, to which the fighter clung with his finger and pulled the bolt back.


In the course of the modernization, the window designed for ejection of spent cartridges was also increased, through which the bolt of the submachine gun was cocked. The spring-loaded cover of the window for the ejection of the sleeves at the same time also served as a fuse. In the closed position, the cover could block the shutter in the rear or front position.

There were no complex sights on the model. These were the simplest non-adjustable sights, placed on the receiver. The sight was set at a distance of 100 yards (91 meters).

The stock was also as simple as possible, essentially a U-shaped piece of thick steel wire. Once removed from the submachine gun, the shooter could use the right stock rod as a ramrod.

In the rear of the butt of the M3A1 modification there was a special bracket that facilitated the process of equipping the magazines (sending cartridges to the magazine). The capacity of detachable box magazines was 30 rounds.

Another distinctive feature of the late M3A1 was a conical flash suppressor located on the barrel of the weapon.

An empty submachine gun weighed only 8,15 pounds (3,7 kg), the mass of an empty Thompson was (for comparison) 4,9-5 kg. M3A1 weighed a little less - 3,61 kg.

With the stock extended, the length of the weapon did not exceed 740 mm, while the minimum length of the model with the stock removed was only 556 mm. The barrel length was 203,2 mm.


M3A1 submachine gun

The ammunition used was .45 ACP pistol bullets (11,43x25 mm), which have good stopping power. The maximum rate of fire of the submachine gun reached 450 rounds per minute. Already in the post-war years, the M3A1 models (primarily licensed versions), converted to use the more common worldwide 9x19 mm Parabellum cartridge, became widespread.

Tests of the "oiler" M3 in the USSR


The American submachine gun M3 reached the USSR by the spring of 1944. At the same time, weapons were tested at the GAU shooting range. The reaction of the Soviet specialists and the military, who took part in the tests of the novelty, was similar to the reaction of their American colleagues, who in 1942 were impressed with the test results.

In May 1944, the model was tested at the test site, paying special attention to the materials from which the submachine gun was made. According to the test results, it was indicated that the M-3 not only significantly surpasses the previous designs of American-made assault rifles (Thompson of the 1923, 1928 model, the M1 and M1A1 models, as well as the Reising M50), but also, in terms of its positive characteristics and technical features, can confidently be located in some of the best machines in the world.

Soviet testers were especially impressed by the fact that with a shorter barrel length in the M3, it was possible to maintain the same bullet speed. At the same time, the accuracy of fire for this model was at least at the level or even higher than that of the heavier and more massive Thompson, which also had a longer barrel with a compensator.


M3A1 submachine gun with flash suppressor

At the same time, the survivability of the weapon after 17 thousand rounds almost did not decrease. In this regard, the GAU even specially conducted a separate study of the barrel of the M3 submachine gun and the metal from which it was made.

Also in the USSR, they noted the tightness and dust resistance of this model. This was quite important, since the weapon retained its performance even in difficult shooting conditions. That is, it could have saved a soldier's life in real combat conditions.

Perhaps the USSR would even have ordered a batch of oil cans for the Red Army as part of the Lend-Lease program. But in 1944, the supply of small arms, especially submachine guns, was no longer a priority need.

At the same time, the Red Army managed to get the Thompson submachine guns in tangible sizes.

More than 130 thousand units of this small arms were delivered to the USSR.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 12 March 2021 18: 15
    +8
    Normal PP for World War II, when "cheap but cheerful" was required ...
    By the way, our partisans had something like this in service wink
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 12 March 2021 18: 26
      +11
      Yes, Price - Quality, especially in the big War, is of prime importance. An illustrative example is the release of the Disposable FP-45 Liberator, of which more than a million were released without bothering.
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 March 2021 20: 22
        +3
        FP-45 Liberator - it's harder with it
        it was specially made so that it could be used in resistance (I don’t know, however, how effective it is), but at the same time it was completely useless for the Germans, since it was assumed that a significant part would fall to them.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 13 March 2021 06: 49
          +3
          Quote: Avior
          it was specially made so that it could be used in resistance (I do not know, however, how effective)

          It was assumed that this pistol is needed only for the production of normal weapons, come up and shoot point-blank at the zoldat, and then take possession of its screw or PP, something like this.
          1. Avior
            Avior 13 March 2021 09: 51
            +5
            Exactly. And in general, to destabilize the situation in the occupied territories.
            But since it was planned to dump them in a non-targeted manner, it was clear that many, if not most, would fall into the hands of the Germans, it was important to make the pistol unsuitable for use by the Germans, so they chose such a system.
      2. Alien From
        Alien From 13 March 2021 03: 45
        +2
        Weapons are always expensive. In my opinion, this is a great gun.
    2. John22
      John22 12 March 2021 19: 47
      +4
      PP M3 was created as tightly as possible for the Pacific theater of operations. Based on the scheme of a free cylindrical shutter, a "syringe" was formed, in appearance. And the partisans used improvised materials and parts of various weapons with a cylindrical receiver (the "classic" and the simplest common scheme of that time) - as a result, a PP that looked like PP Sten, etc. was obtained. And only the drum magazine adds originality to such a PP.
    3. lwxx
      lwxx 12 March 2021 21: 39
      +5
      Maybe normal, but "The American M3 submachine gun and its modification M3A1 are symbols of the Second World War." with what fright?
      1. John22
        John22 13 March 2021 14: 29
        +1
        М3А1 are symbols of the Second World War for the Americans. Not for us.
        1. lwxx
          lwxx 14 March 2021 08: 22
          +2
          Quote: John22
          М3А1 are symbols of the Second World War for the Americans. Not for us.
          and that is why this oil can is not on their monuments .. including the "Raising the flag over Iwo Jima"
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 14 March 2021 17: 05
        +4
        Maybe normal, but "The American M3 submachine gun and its modification M3A1 are symbols of the Second World War." with what fright?
        from such that there are veterans and participants on the other side of the ball, beyond the Ocean, and our veterans respectfully call them allies !!! No need to touch, other people's merits in the common victory ... recourse
        1. lwxx
          lwxx 14 March 2021 19: 43
          +3
          [/ quote] from such that there are veterans and participants on the other side of the ball, across the Ocean, and our veterans respectfully call them allies !!! No need to touch, other people's merits in the common victory ... recourse[/ quote] No need to be nervous, no one is pleading for the merits of the so-called allies. Willis, Studebaker,
          dodge 3 \ 4. Thomson M1 Carbine, etc., these are WWII symbols. And the "oiler" ran so close. As we have PPSh and T-34, and the water sudoevsky masterpiece and T-60 (70) unfortunately are not always associated with WWII
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 14 March 2021 19: 53
            0
            No need to be nervous
            It seemed to you ...! wink
            The symbols of WWII, such beloved and pretentious terms of the modern world, with a fair share of symbolism in the recent history of Mankind, but in fact, there are widely advertised products of military science and non-publicized "working machines" such as tools - such as hammers, axes and sledgehammers, etc. others that are no less needed in work and every day, but the world suffers from branding, even in military conflicts ... hi
  2. mark1
    mark1 12 March 2021 18: 17
    +3
    More than 130 thousand units of this small arms were delivered to the USSR.
    I wonder what kind of troops - tankers, probably reconnaissance units ... no where I read about the use.
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 March 2021 18: 25
      +11
      Quote: mark1
      I wonder what kind of troops - tankers, probably intelligence units ...

      It is necessary to look into which divisions the American vehicles went to be manned, the small arms came with them. For example, they were used to arm drivers-drivers of automobile equipment from Iran. And of course the Karelian Front and the Northern Fleet, everything that was close to Murmansk, which facilitated the supply of ammunition. There, the line divisions received them.





      1. mark1
        mark1 12 March 2021 18: 34
        +8
        I beg your pardon - a victim of my own neglect. 130 thousand Thompsons, and I decided that the M3. Burdock ...
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 12 March 2021 20: 36
        +4
        Sergey, I will add: Thomsons were also in the Caucasus. My great-uncle fought at the Marukh pass, said that he was given one, but he refused it: heavy and weak penetration. Then these Thomsons were armed with rear units, drivers and sleds, and they did not like them either.
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 March 2021 20: 51
          +2
          Quote: vladcub
          Then these Thomsons were armed with rear units, drivers and sleds, and they did not like them either.

          I don’t know the riders, but they were issued for the same “Studebakers”
          1. 89268170588
            89268170588 15 March 2021 19: 53
            0
            the Americans write that the Hans fled after hearing Thompson's shooting.
        2. mr.ZinGer
          mr.ZinGer 12 March 2021 21: 20
          +1
          Logically, for linear parts, you will not be enough cartridges.
      3. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 13 March 2021 06: 51
        0
        In the lower photo, I did not see a single Tommigan.
        1. John22
          John22 13 March 2021 13: 59
          +3
          The third from the left is a sailor holding a Thompson barrel towards the photographer. A large expansion joint and a round magazine are visible.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 13 March 2021 16: 00
            +3
            A better quality photo, here it is already clearer, the store bank confused me, it is very smooth in front, there is no noticeable spring twist handle. However, there were such stores, possibly early models:
            So yeah, there's Thompson in the photo. )
        2. svp67
          svp67 14 March 2021 02: 25
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          In the lower photo, I did not see a single Tommigan.

          He lies on the knees of a Marine, a characteristic cut of the barrel
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 14 March 2021 06: 12
            0
            Quote: svp67
            He lies on the knees of a Marine, a characteristic cut of the barrel

            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            So yeah, there's Thompson in the photo. )
    2. gross kaput
      gross kaput 20 March 2021 12: 45
      0
      M3 were not supplied to the USSR, a total of 137129 submachine guns were delivered to the USSR, PP Thompson 1928 / 1928a1 and M50 raising were supplied.
      It's just that the "author" is a well-known compiler that pulls pieces from different Internet articles and doesn't bother checking them.
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 12 March 2021 18: 18
    +11
    I don't know what metal the trunks were made of, but I read that once a pilot on a boat fought off a shark and ... bent the M3 barrel!)))
    And so yes - a significant weapon. Last time I saw in the Russian-Chinese TV series "The Dawns Here Are Quiet". There, mp40 was portrayed from him.)
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 12 March 2021 18: 35
      +13
      Hi Igor! I specifically doubt the veracity of this bent barrel story. Pilot bikes. laughing
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 12 March 2021 18: 41
        +12
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Pilot bikes. laughing

        100% yes The USSR mainly stockpiled these "cars" from military supplies. And later they massively appeared in service with the North Koreans and then the Vietnamese. A rare contraption, seen only once in Tula, unfortunately did not shoot.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 12 March 2021 19: 01
          +13
          ... unfortunately did not shoot.

          Wish you liked it. Yes, when they were shooting, there was a funny incident. The first shot was fired into a special well with water to save the bullet. The guy who shot was very small and completely bald. Well, as it should be - there is only one cartridge in the store, the shooter cocks the shutter and loudly warns: "Shot", presses the trigger, a flash, a crash, and then a tall fountain of water flies out of the well and straight the arrow on the bald head, he reacts coolly with unprintable vocabulary, and people are neighing side by side. I had to urgently pour a man from the "grainy". What can you do - it happens, after all, the 45th caliber. laughing
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 12 March 2021 19: 18
            +7
            Ну what there is nothing to be done, maybe I will still shoot in Izhevsk for sure. yes And to be honest, I don’t like this patron - it is very “short”, I like distances (professional preferences). I remember what works "softly", you have already said, although I really do not quite understand why in comparison with Tommy. Maybe the cartridges were not very high quality ???
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 12 March 2021 19: 30
              +7
              By the way, there is an original article on PP. May 15, 2013. It is in my bookmarks. Even the photo is from that article. Sadness - Trouble ... what's going on with IN?
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 March 2021 19: 51
                +3
                Quote: Hunter 2
                May 15, 2013. It is in my bookmarks. Even the photo is from that article. Sadness - Trouble ... what's going on with IN?

                Yes, nothing is going on. The site's old-timers are grumbling. For example, I don't give a damn what was there on VO eight years ago.
                Now it's 2021. The article is good.
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 12 March 2021 19: 53
              +7
              But whose and what year of release were the cartridges for it, I do not remember. I know that in addition to the Lendleys, they had a lot of different ammunition from Vietnam. Then, as an alaverda, I was offered to shoot from the "Eight", so there were 9x19 cartridges still of German production during the war.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 13 March 2021 11: 24
                +2
                Kostya, actually, in the Second World War, we could have brought such cartridges to us, and then they are needed in FIG.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 13 March 2021 19: 11
                  0
                  Yes, it could have been.
        2. John22
          John22 13 March 2021 14: 05
          0
          In the museum of the Armed Forces in the hall of the late 50s, there was such a sample of PP in the showcase. Section of Cuba. Looked "plump" compared to the nearby G3. But the main thing was that the PP was created for the Pacific theater of operations - otdyada and such a design: maximum tightness and a breech without impact on the receiver.
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 12 March 2021 18: 58
      +1
      In principle, it is quite possible, I do not think that some kind of super steel was used on the trunks. And using the SVD as a crowbar, you can easily bend the barrel. I do not think that having broken the weapon, the soldier threw it and waited for the spare parts to be collected, smoking a cigar. laughing
    3. mr.ZinGer
      mr.ZinGer 12 March 2021 19: 21
      +4
      I also heard about this case, but for me it's a bike.
    4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 March 2021 19: 40
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Last time I saw in the Russian-Chinese TV series "The Dawns Here Are Quiet". There he was depicted as mp40.)

      The Chinese (Kuomintang) sculpted M3 clones under 9mm. Plus a screw-on curved barrel and a muffler to it.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 14 March 2021 17: 10
        0
        Plus a screw-on curved barrel and a muffler to it.
        strange associations are evoked by this design and a number of suspicions to the Chinese authors! request laughing
    5. vladcub
      vladcub 12 March 2021 20: 21
      +6
      The leader imagined this picture: a pilot in an inflatable boat, holding an M3 by the barrel and thrashing a shark.
      If he had a submachine gun, what prevented him from firing a burst over the shark's head?
      If you splashed down, but in that case, the question is: was the machine gun hanging around your neck?
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 12 March 2021 20: 48
        +4
        Quote: vladcub

        If he had a submachine gun, what prevented him from firing a burst over the shark's head?

        Not a Leader, but I dare to assume ... Oh was an Ichthyologist, at heart wassat
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 12 March 2021 20: 57
          +5
          And where did this yhtyologist put the barrel of the shark, and even so thoroughly that they managed to bend it by joint efforts? laughing
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 12 March 2021 21: 02
            +4
            Quote: Sea Cat
            And where did this yhtyologist put the shark laughing

            Konstantin bully Here only the "porno hub" can give the answer ... belay
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 12 March 2021 21: 10
              +5
              No, fish have a complete idiosyncrasy towards perverts. negative laughing

          2. CTABEP
            CTABEP 13 March 2021 17: 31
            +1
            I put it in, played it, and then the barrel bent? The story is clearing up!
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 13 March 2021 11: 27
          +3
          It looks like
    6. Intruder
      Intruder 14 March 2021 17: 08
      +1
      that once a pilot on a boat fought off a shark and ... bent the barrel of an M3!)))
      well, with a fool or in stress - you can also another trunk, break / bend ... wink laughing
  4. polpot
    polpot 12 March 2021 18: 18
    +4
    A good weapon, in the presence of a PPP, the Red Army simply did not need this PP.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 12 March 2021 18: 28
      +6
      Quote: polpot
      in the presence of a PPP, the Red Army simply did not need this PP.

      There were just few cartridges for the Thompsons.
  5. Cowbra
    Cowbra 12 March 2021 18: 19
    +2
    It was in those epic times when the US military-industrial complex did not yet install a laser sight, a rangefinder and a quick pizza order button on a conventional plug)))
  6. Catfish
    Catfish 12 March 2021 18: 34
    +22
    Nice article and great submachine gun. good
    I dealt with him, when firing in short bursts, not only the recoil is not felt, but the barrel does not lift up. I already wrote about this once, but, taking this opportunity, I will repeat: we had a brand new M3A1 in our department, taken by the Cubans as a trophy in the battle at Playa Giron. Subsequently, the p / n was presented to the Air Marshal Sudets for organizing the air defense of the Republic of Cuba, and the marshal handed this M3A1 to the State Historical Museum. The barrel of the machine was not drilled, and we shot it together with the forensic experts in their shooting range. For such a case, they did not regret the cartridges. In my opinion, a very comfortable and convenient weapon, in spite of such a utilitarian look. smile



    Here you can clearly see the teeth of the fuses on the cover covering the window, and the recesses in the bolt, where these teeth entered.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 12 March 2021 19: 50
      +12
      Good article
      The rewrite of the article by Ulanov, who left the history of the M3 creation "behind the scenes", limiting himself to a couple of paragraphs.
      Hence the author's surprise that "New small arms for the American army were created by an emigrant from Germany, George Hyde. The designer designed his most famous submachine gun completely without wooden parts, deciding on the widespread use of stamping and spot welding. The latter circumstances, among other things, allowed to expand the mass production of the model at car factories. "
      Firstly, Hyde did not dare to do anything, the requirements for a stamped PP with a minimum of machining and without wood were set by the customer - the department of artillery weapons.
      Secondly, the M3 was created at the car plant, in the GM division - General Motors Inland Division. Therefore, while Hyde was designing the M3, Chief Engineer Frederick Sampson was preparing technical documentation and tooling for production in parallel.
      And Hyde designed his previous PCB, Hyde-Inland M2, according to the "classics", with wood and turning and milling processing.


    2. Intruder
      Intruder 14 March 2021 17: 16
      +2
      I dealt with him, when firing in short bursts, not only the recoil is not felt, but the barrel does not lift up.

      Konstantin, good day hi !
      I confirm your words with personal experience, I myself held in the hands of one collector, this test machine, by the way, he had it in full combat condition, excellent technologically and original design and balanced to the point, when firing in automatic mode, for realities, that time and era of the 2nd World War! winked
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 14 March 2021 17: 23
        +2
        Good afternoon, Denis! hi

        I still had to drill this machine after shooting, with a drill ... 2,5 mm. laughing
        Formally, the hole was made, which was recorded in the form. In short, this did not affect the "health" of the machine, at least at ranges up to 100 m. smile
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 14 March 2021 17: 29
          +2
          I still had to drill this machine after shooting, with a drill ... 2,5 mm.
          Something, my heart ached, while reading your first phrase about a 2,5 mm drill. belay , but then let go at the end !!! winked
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 14 March 2021 17: 33
            +3
            And what it was like for me, imagine! I'm not an executioner by nature and I love animals, any woman will confirm. laughing drinks
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 14 March 2021 17: 46
              +2
              And what it was like for me, imagine! I'm not an executioner by nature and I love animals
              your activity was not funny and tragic, Konstantin ... belay , how can I present it with a sharply honed drill, and into a "live" machine and with my own hands !? drinks hi
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 14 March 2021 17: 50
                +2
                I did not touch something, but ... we will not go into details, but there are now completely different people working there, or rather women. request
  7. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 12 March 2021 18: 53
    +13
    then Thompson took about $ 260 a piece from taxpayers' pockets.
    However, I note that the specified production cost of the Thompson M1A1 PP is relevant at the time of adoption by the US Army (1938). By February 1944, the cost of production fell to $ 45.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 12 March 2021 20: 14
      +10
      Prices at the time of the start of production of the M3 and today.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 12 March 2021 20: 31
        +3
        Viktor Nikolaevich, it seems to me, or is the table really twitching a little, relative to М1А1?
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 12 March 2021 22: 03
          +9
          No, it doesn't seem to be twisting.

          Official document from the archive.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 14 March 2021 17: 19
        +1
        Prices at the time of the start of production of the M3 and today.

        I would take it to the collection today for 284 bucks and tear it off with my hands, if there was still that original model, or in good condition !!!
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 14 March 2021 17: 34
          +1
          Damn now looked, the price tag for the original version is $ 4, 995, they want something a lot ... even for her !!! recourse
    2. Avior
      Avior 12 March 2021 21: 36
      +4
      the specified cost of production of the Thompson M1A1 PP is relevant at the time of adoption by the US Army (1938)

      write with reference to
      Frank Iannamico. American Thunder: The Military Thompson Submachine Gun. - Moose Lake Publishing, 2000.
      ,
      that the M1 appeared only at the beginning of 1942, and the M1A1 at the end of the year.
      At the end of 1942, the M1A1 variant also appeared.

      in 1938, they probably adopted the M1928A1, and then during the war, the already cheaper versions - M1 and M1A1
  8. Dimide
    Dimide 12 March 2021 18: 53
    +3
    The original solution, a groove for cocking the bolt with a finger
    The article is interesting, respect to the author
  9. Constanty
    Constanty 12 March 2021 18: 54
    +5
    The American M3 submachine gun and its modification M3A1 are symbols of the Second World War.


    At first I thought that since the article about small arms, then it was written by Vyacheslav Shpakovsky. It was hard to believe in it, because he is an expert in his field. Grease-gun, while it was certainly a cheap, high-tech and mass-produced machine gun during the war, it was definitely not its symbol. Another thing - PPSh, MP-40, STEN or Thompson (which were produced in quantities twice as much as the M3) - these were symbols of the Second World War. The M3 was her product, not a symbol!
  10. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 12 March 2021 19: 19
    +3
    A good article, however, I will note ...
    https://topwar.ru/152814-deshevaja-zamena-tompsonu-pistolet-pulemet-m3.html
  11. John22
    John22 12 March 2021 19: 31
    +4
    The success of the PP M3 was facilitated by the shockless free shutter circuit. Thanks to the double reciprocating mainspring, the bolt did not knock on the butt plate of the receiver, knocking down the sight (like in the PPSh). That is why the accuracy is good despite the large caliber. The firing range, of course, is small thanks to the same cartridge (and not bullets, as in the article) .45 caliber. For some reason this feature was not noted by the gunsmiths of our test site.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 12 March 2021 21: 00
      +2
      Quite rightly noticed, very few people know about it.
  12. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 March 2021 19: 31
    +7
    Gris-gun is yes-ah ...

  13. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 12 March 2021 19: 32
    0
    the best of the Second World War is the Sudaevsky PPS-43, and the 7,62 by 25 cartridge is also good
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 March 2021 20: 49
      +5
      Quote: Ryaruav
      the best of the Second World War is the Sudaevsky PPS-43, and the 7,62 by 25 cartridge is also good

      I suppose this is what ours explain to Captain Trelise in Torgau)
      After the sixth glass of Moselle, the captain agreed that "the butter dish - g..no" and sang with our choir "Valenki"
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 12 March 2021 21: 04
        +7
        The captain knew both wine and weapons. laughing
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 12 March 2021 21: 26
          -5
          It can be seen sitting like a schoolgirl, accidentally leaning into a port tavern
    2. Zug
      Zug 14 March 2021 15: 31
      +1
      I have never heard of this. Advertisements from the front on the PPSh were in bulk. "Did not justify." The soldiers disliked him, preferring the PPSh
  14. Gippo
    Gippo 12 March 2021 19: 35
    -6
    We can only admire the Americans, who sold us the milled expensive Thompson at an exorbitant price throughout the war.
    Or wonder why the relevant authorities did not react to such a collision.
    1. Potter
      Potter 12 March 2021 19: 54
      +5
      The USSR did not buy, he received Thompson under Lend-Lease.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 14 March 2021 17: 22
      0
      who sold us a milled, expensive Thompson at an exorbitant price throughout the war.
      and business is business - nothing personal !!! laughing wink
  15. Potter
    Potter 12 March 2021 19: 51
    +1
    Thanks for the interesting material. Didn't know about this weapon.
  16. dgonni
    dgonni 12 March 2021 20: 02
    +1
    Well, that's it. Old topsons with bronze retarders are nicer to me.
    Although I did not shoot from this PP. But I tried the Chicago piano in '38.
    A soft machine with a good rate of fire. Apparently, due to the cartridge and mechanics, it is more stable in comparison with the USA
  17. Undecim
    Undecim 12 March 2021 20: 07
    +10
    In the rear of the butt of the M3A1 modification there was a special bracket that facilitated the process of equipping the magazines (sending cartridges to the magazine). .
    In addition to the staple, the accessories also included a separate device for equipping stores.


  18. Avior
    Avior 12 March 2021 20: 41
    +4
    for crews of armored vehicles - a good option during the war.
    Compact, cheap, reliable enough and simple
  19. Avior
    Avior 13 March 2021 03: 00
    +7
    comparison of the sounds of shots of three PP
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 13 March 2021 06: 52
      +3
      an unexpected sound in the M3, and the rate of fire .. somehow not in size .. laughing
      1. John22
        John22 13 March 2021 14: 18
        +3
        The rate of fire of the M3, according to perception, seems even less than that of the MP-40. And the rate of fire for the MR-40 was optimal for the PP. Therefore, respect to the M3 designer for choosing the optimal characteristics: cartridge power, bolt weight and bolt stroke length in the receiver.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 14 March 2021 17: 24
      +1
      sounds of shots of three PP
      M3, in a deep and unhurried way "whispers" its every shot, respectful bass ... hi
      1. Avior
        Avior 14 March 2021 18: 17
        0
        It's a pity, there is no comparison between Stan, PPSh and PPS, it would be interesting to listen to everyone together
  20. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 13 March 2021 19: 44
    +1
    Really a working machine, there was a story that a fighter in the middle of the ocean, being in a rescue boat, cracked an M3 in the face of a shark that was too interested in him, the barrel bent, but the shark lagged behind) And the author needs to define a submachine gun or a machine gun in the text, drew attention.
    1. Avior
      Avior 13 March 2021 23: 18
      +5
      In relation to pistols - machine guns during the war, the term machine gun was used as a synonym even in official documents

      The situation changed only with the advent of the AK, but in relation to the war years, the "machine gun" continued to be used
      Those who fought with the PP were quite officially called submachine gunners.
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  22. YOUR.
    YOUR. 15 March 2021 07: 38
    +1
    Nice article.
    But the phrase "Pistol bullets were used as ammunition"ruined everything.
    1. kafa
      kafa 24 March 2021 12: 42
      0
      I agree ! The site is Russian-language, and the concepts of a bullet, a cartridge case, a capsule, a charge are hardly unfamiliar here.
      And bullets hand to face.
  23. the47th
    the47th 16 March 2021 13: 27
    0
    The scheme when the bolt repeats the shape of the receiver is not very reliable - there is too much friction between the bolt and the box (the complete oiler for the M3 hints). The city is better when the bolt is in contact with the receiver of talcum powder guides (like in PPS or PPSh).
    It's good that the designers took care of the dust protection of the M3, otherwise it was just as "loved" as Stan. And in general, the assembled M3 is still fine.
  24. kafa
    kafa 24 March 2021 12: 39
    0
    Technological quite recognizable PP! And the caliber inspires. But, this ersatz-Thompson "does not warm the soul."
    Let me explain. What do we have with the PPSh? And with the PPSh, we have a butt not made of wire (in hand-to-hand firing like a rifle, but more handy, when firing almost a monolith), a smaller caliber cartridge (accordingly, you can take more with yourself), Shutter! Here, at least somehow through the same, but in ours you can wear mittens .............
    As a personal weapon of the crews of combat vehicles, the oil can fully justifies the name and performance characteristics.
    But .... the lessons of the CWP and regular political information developed an allergy to weapons made not in the USSR.
    Therefore, I think that PPP 43 is cooler! And, so a very combat and demanded weapon in those days. Be under our caliber, it is possible and yes, but we also have gunsmiths! My opinion is purely subjective.