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Why the United States is forcing Turkey to abandon the S-400 Triumph

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Source: mil.ru


No matter what they say about our neighbor, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, he is a really talented and cunning politician. A politician who knows how to clearly justify his actions and create conditions that push others to make decisions that are beneficial for Turkey. Yes, I do not like much of what the Turkish president is doing, and his terry nationalism and plans to create Turan resent me, but he is the president of his country and solves the problems of his country.

For several years now we have periodically admired his correct steps towards Russia, then we threaten all punishments when he finds a common language with our potential opponents on some issues. Remember Nagorno-Karabakh. No matter what we say, Erdogan has achieved his goals. And exactly in the volumes that he needed. At the same time, it did not cause outrage among the interested parties.

Today, the media are actively discussing reports from Washington and Ankara about the S-400 purchased from Russia. The Americans threaten with sanctions, the Turks quite harshly respond in the style of "you are a fool" and urge the United States to offer them more favorable terms than Russia has offered.

Turkish President's spokesman Ibrahim Kalyn said:

“We had disagreements with Russia on a number of issues, but we were able to resolve them through a constructive dialogue.

Why can't you do the same with the United States?

If another country addresses us from the position of maximalism and with the demand "either this way or not," then such an attitude forces us to look in a different direction. "

Let's remember how it all began


For many reasons today, for some reason, it is not customary to recall the events that caused the purchase of Russian complexes by the Turks.

I'll start with Erdogan's statement regarding the reasons for purchasing Russian S-400s:

“Ankara will agree to purchase American Patriot complexes only when Washington offers the same good conditions as Russia.

Russian S-400s, priced at $ 2,5 billion, are much cheaper than the American Patriot and are considered more modern and efficient. "

It would seem that everything is clear and understandable.

But we should remember those who pushed the Turkish Republic to such a decision. I'm talking about the Americans now.

Remember how several months before the conclusion of the contract, President Trump demanded at all sites not to conclude any agreements. Moreover, the threats were such that the impression was created that the United States would do anything to achieve its goal.

At the same time, Mike Pompeo constantly threatened to impose sanctions. And US Deputy Secretary of Defense for Logistics Ellen Lord threatened to expel Turkish pilots who are trained in the United States from the United States and to ban Turkish companies from participating in the production of F-35 fighters. Let's add here some of Turkey's economic difficulties, which were also created in many ways by the Americans.

Why did not all these gestures produce the proper effect on the Turkish president?

Yes, simply because Erdogan is a politician. And the purchase of the S-400 is a wonderful political move.

What would happen if Ankara had only American air defense systems? Could these systems have been able to repel an attack if Washington decided to "punish" Turkey?

And there was something to punish for. Especially on the issues of Syria. The United States has taken Kurdish rebels, whom Turkey considers terrorists, as allies in Syria and Iraq.

By the way, where did the Turks locate the Russian complexes?

Along the southern border!

And who is going to attack Turkey there? Except for a NATO ally, of course.

Simply put, Erdogan hinted to Trump that Turkey will defend its interests even from allies in the alliance.

Why is the question about the S-400 "Triumph" again raised today?


It would seem that the issue of Turkey's purchase of the S-400 Triumph was closed after the contract was signed and the Turks received the complexes.

However, the United States continued to put pressure on the Turks under Joe Biden.

Why?

The answer was given by the representative of the US State Department Ned Price at a briefing on February 9 this year:

“Our position on the S-400 has not changed,

Russian S-400 systems are incompatible with NATO equipment,

they pose a threat to the security of technology and

they are not in line with the commitments that Turkey has assumed as a NATO ally. ”

In other words, NATO members are convincing Ankara that the use of Russian air defense systems and NATO aircraft at the same time may lead to a leak of Western technologies and some military secrets. Moreover, the United States understands that the S-400 are not compatible with Western systems, which means that it is impossible to control them "from Washington".

All means are used. From the imposition of sanctions against Turkey last December under the US Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA). Restrictive measures were introduced by the US authorities against the Turkish Defense Industry Directorate, its leader and three Turkish citizens. Before the talks between US Secretary of State Tony Blinken and his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu.

The Turkish President is playing a very risky game.

On the one hand, by annoying the Americans, he can get quite serious sanctions from the United States. You can remember how this will affect the country. To remember, not to imagine.

I'm talking about the consequences of the American sanctions against Turkish steel and aluminum products after the refusal to release Pastor Andrew Brunson from arrest. According to Turkish economists, it was these duties that caused the economic and financial crisis in Turkey.

On the other hand, if the S-400s already in service are decommissioned and abandoned, this will cause discontent in Moscow. Here, too, it is necessary to "remember the consequences." Remember the "funny sanctions" after the downed Su-24? They also talk about the global economic crisis. A Russian tourist and a Turkish tomato are stronger than a “haberdasher and a cardinal”.

But the Turk continues to take risks. He offers the Americans a deal when, in order to maintain their dominance in the arms market, they will have to provide Ankara with such discounts on weapons and military equipment that would "cover" Russian prices.

And at the same time, the Minister of Defense of the Turkish Republic Hulusi Akar openly declares that Turkey is ready to purchase another S-400 regiment. And negotiations about this are underway. It is clear that Russia must also make some concessions to the Turkish side on the issue of prices.

Why do we need such difficulties


It is clear that in parallel with the talks in Ankara, Washington is also working in Moscow. It is necessary to put pressure not only on the buyer, but also on the seller. It is clear that this is being done under the traditional American slogan -

"Nothing personal just business".

But is it only business?

Erdogan's interest is understandable. American complexes are weapons that will require huge operational costs, but will not offer prospects for the Turkish defense industry. The appearance of Russian systems in Turkey will entail new opportunities for obtaining technologies that will help create their own air defense systems. And the presence of Russian weapons gives the Turks some advantage in negotiations, for example, on new aircraft.

Russia (in this case) gets access to the markets of NATO member countries. After Turkey, other NATO countries are thinking about the effectiveness of their own air defense and the possibility of increasing it through Russian weapons. In addition, we get the opportunity to influence one of the major members of the alliance, which covers a fairly serious area of ​​the Middle East. NATO's unity is thus under threat.

Yes, Putin is playing a long game. For many it is incomprehensible. This is his style.

But the prospects for such a game are enormous.

No, we will not get a friend on our southern borders. Recep Tayyip Erdogan's nationalism will not disappear anywhere. And dreams of the great Turan too. But it doesn't really matter to us. We need a neighbor who will not hold a stone in his bosom. And this is the main thing.

In any case, a breakthrough into the NATO arms market is a victory.

Generally speaking, the normalization of relations with Turkey is a good sign.

In truth, even a slight "pushing" of NATO and the US away from our borders is not a bad thing.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 11 March 2021 05: 02
    +2
    No, we will not get a friend on our southern borders. Recep Tayyip Erdogan's nationalism will not disappear anywhere. And dreams of the great Turan too. But it doesn't really matter to us. We need a neighbor who will not hold a stone in his bosom.
    Well, the possibility (theoretical), if something happens, to disable the strongest air defense element is also not bad.
    1. dSK
      dSK 11 March 2021 05: 31
      +8
      Xi Jinping sent a telegram to the President of Syria expressing his sympathy that Bashar al-Assad and his wife were infected with COVID-19.
      Assad fell ill, this is not very good ...
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 11 March 2021 06: 36
        +8
        Quote: dsk
        Assad fell ill, this is not very good ...

        The Kremlin has already offered assistance to the President of Syria and his wife, who fell ill with COVID-8 on March 19.

        Let's hope for the speedy recovery of Bashar al-Assad and his wife from covid-19.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 11 March 2021 07: 01
          +5
          The article is good.
          The author's conclusions are controversial.
          And Turkey's relations with Russia are too "curly" so that Russia can trust Turkey in some way.

          Political risks for Russia from Turkey, if the relationship is planned for a long time, are too great and amount, in my opinion, about 50%. And with 50% risks, they do not start business, because it is almost guaranteed in the future result that you can turn out to be bankrupt.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 11 March 2021 16: 28
            +2
            Quote: Tatiana
            The article is good.
            The author's conclusions are controversial.

            Join. hi This thesis is not entirely clear to me:
            when he finds a common language with our potential opponents in some matters. Remember Nagorno-Karabakh.
            Is Azerbaijan our probable enemy? request
            No matter what we say, Erdogan has achieved his goals. And exactly in the volumes that he needed. At the same time, it did not cause outrage among the interested parties.
            Erdogan's goals could well have been Napoleonic, but what do we have "in the bottom line"? Our military base in Armenia has been registered for a long time. The vector of Armenian foreign policy is on the mend. The Armenians understand that there could have been much more fear with NK if the stop-signal had not come, and they will take this into account in their further political maneuvers. Russia has excellent relations with Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan has grown in territory in necessary and sufficient quantities and Russia has nothing to share with it. Turkish military bases were not formed there. The Turkish presence in the region is limited to a stationary NP with several dozen janissaries. I agree that the friendship between Azerbaijan and Turkey has strengthened. But it was natural, even without NK. Maybe there were some other goals in mind. But, in my opinion, they do not pull for strategic success.
            1. Usher
              Usher 11 March 2021 23: 58
              +2
              Is Azerbaijan our probable enemy? request

              He is an ally of our potential adversaries.
              1. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 12 March 2021 07: 14
                +2
                Quote: Usher
                He is an ally of our potential adversaries.

                It seems to me that, if something happens, there will be no union. Maximum neutrality. Yes, and in the military conflict between Russia and Turkey at the present time, I hardly believe. Erdogan had a chance to get into the bottle. However, he was left alone with the bear, and then he was almost sent to Allah. He drew conclusions from what he had experienced. He turned on the back quickly. Now he is a "dear friend" for us. Now he is waiting for the completion of the nuclear power plant, the beginning of the holiday season and is slowly utilizing its proxies. Why would he fight with us, and even drag Azerbaijan into the batch? He has the Kurds for this, who "suddenly" can intensify in terms of tactical training and get their hands on all sorts of unpleasant gadgets. And from the conflict in NK Erdogan received exactly as much as he was meted out. And for this he played his role as a bogeyman for Armenia superbly. hi
  2. dSK
    dSK 11 March 2021 05: 14
    +4

    No matter what they say about our neighbor - Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, he is really talented and cunning politician.
    We need a neighbor who will not hold a stone in his bosom. And this is the main thing.
    In truth, even a slight "pushing" of NATO and the United States from our borders is not bad.

    These are the pros. And the cons?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 11 March 2021 05: 56
      +9
      We need a neighbor who will not hold a stone in his bosom.

      Minus one ... he has a dagger hidden behind his back and at the right moment he will stick it behind Putin.
      Erdogan is angry with the Americans for trying to overthrow him with the help of Gulen ... therefore, he conducts his independent policy without relying on the honesty of the United States.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 11 March 2021 07: 00
        +7
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        he has a dagger hidden behind him and at the right time he will stick it behind Putin

        First, there is no need to turn your back on Erdogan. Secondly, today any country is ruled by politicians who have a "dagger behind their back" - an indispensable working tool. The same Lukashenka. What, without the "dagger"? Is there no double-dealing in relations with neighbors in Kazakhstan? The world has moved away from long-term allied relations between countries. Only ad hoc partnerships remained. Erdogan in this regard is just one of many, but the most successful of the bulk.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 11 March 2021 07: 49
          0
          Sadness ... politicians have no moral values ​​... nothing personal, only a politician. recourse
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 11 March 2021 12: 12
            +4
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Sadness ...

            No sadness. This is a fact that must be reckoned with and taken into account. And you yourself do not need to be holier than the Pope.
          2. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 11 March 2021 21: 16
            +4
            moral values ​​and politics? Give at least one example of their interaction?
      2. Pathos
        Pathos 11 March 2021 08: 56
        -2
        He will not stick Putin's bloodline. If not for Volodya Turk, they would have simply filled up the ends in the water. And with them this sacred, he now owes Volodya to the grave and his whole family will pray for Volodya.
        1. AK1972
          AK1972 11 March 2021 11: 06
          +7
          Quote: Paphos
          He will not stick Putin's bloodline.

          It seems to me that you overestimate Erdogan's decency. Muslims do not have any moral obligations towards the giaours. It was not for nothing that Peter I said: "Don't trust a woman, don't trust a Turk, don't trust a non-drinker." Erdogan is a non-drinking Turk, so he cannot be trusted twice. As for the knife, I remembered the Uzbek proverb: "If you have a friend - a Tajik and he has a knife, always carry an ax with you."
          1. Pathos
            Pathos 11 March 2021 22: 21
            +1
            EEEEE how to explain to you what Have you ever been to a huge meeting on Monday? There, the leadership dogachatsya like mad dogs can even reach a massacre, and on weekends they all thump together, who go hunting, some fishing, some in the forest, some for firewood, some for mushrooms laughing So it is in politics laughing Everything is known only to God and Volodya, and the intelligence is set up there that is necessary wink
        2. FrankyStein
          FrankyStein 11 March 2021 11: 48
          0
          The myth that walks through the vastness of the network, as if Putin saved the Turk. There is no evidence of this. If it were so perdogan would be Putin's best friend, but all his actions suggest otherwise. Everywhere he tries to oppose Putin, purposefully spoiling relations with him. The fact that relations between the Russian Federation and Turkey did not sink to the bottom is only Putin's merit. When the Turks knocked down the dryer, his calculation was to support NATO in the conflict with the Russian Federation in Syria, he was ready to go to war with the Russian Federation with the direct participation of NATO. Having received a refusal, he put it in his pants in fear of being left alone with the Russian Federation. Since then, he has been angry with the shtatovites and the purchase of air defense systems from their enemy in the person of the Russian Federation, it should be considered in this vein.
    2. knn54
      knn54 11 March 2021 08: 21
      +8
      Sergei. I recently spent a lot of time and effort to delve into the history of Russian-Ottoman relations and came to the conclusion: almost every war could be seen with the ears of the Anglo-Saxons. Who were "odd" on both sides.
      Even during the time of Ataturk, who, thanks to Russian gold and weapons, was able to expel the invaders from the country.
      But at the same time (thanks to the chief vizier) he turned a blind eye to the camps in which the French and British prepared Georgian legionnaires for the invasion of Transcaucasia.
      The enemy may turn out to be a neighbor, but it is necessary to do so (without compromising the interests of the State) so that the neighbor does not become an enemy.
      1. dSK
        dSK 11 March 2021 10: 59
        +1
        Vladimir Putin, together with President of the Republic of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan, took part in a videoconference format to mark the start of construction power unit No. 3 Akkuyu nuclear power plant in the Turkish province of Mersin. / March 10, 2021; 16: 25 /
        Vladimir Putin believes that the implementation of the Akkuyu NPP project will significantly strengthen Turkey's energy security and give impetus to the development of the country's nuclear industry.
      2. parma
        parma 11 March 2021 11: 41
        0
        Quote: knn54
        Sergei. I recently spent a lot of time and effort to delve into the history of Russian-Ottoman relations and came to the conclusion: almost every war could be seen with the ears of the Anglo-Saxons. Who were "odd" on both sides.
        Even during the time of Ataturk, who, thanks to Russian gold and weapons, was able to expel the invaders from the country.
        But at the same time (thanks to the chief vizier) he turned a blind eye to the camps in which the French and British prepared Georgian legionnaires for the invasion of Transcaucasia.
        The enemy may turn out to be a neighbor, but it is necessary to do so (without compromising the interests of the State) so that the neighbor does not become an enemy.

        It means that you did not understand well, only 3 Russian-Turkish wars were beneficial to Great Britain (with the rest, either England did not really have weight in Europe (16-17 centuries), or did not care about Russia, because interests did not intersect, or Russia was an ally of England ), and all of them after 1812 ... and this is due precisely to the fact that after 1812 and until 1914 (even earlier) in Europe, except for Russia, there were no forces capable of challenging England for influence ... with the appearance of the same united Germany as a center of power in Europe, and until its infusion into the Western bloc (with the subsequent confrontation between NATO / OVD) there was no active opposition from England, but after 1945, Great Britain itself occupied more of a secondary role in the Cold War (it started the war as a weakening superpower, but ended up already in a completely different status) ... and regarding the intervention of England in the civil society - then only the lazy did not intervene, even China, which is sorted out by its problems from the inside ...
        PS: in general, as always, the Anglo-Saxons, Zhidomassons and Reptilians are to blame for everything ...
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 March 2021 06: 51
    +2
    "Nothing personal just business".
    Of course, in this pressure, business comes first - only American should be bought. But business also pulls politics. A country armed exclusively with American weapons from an assault rifle to an air defense system is more controllable and subject to possible (if necessary) US pressure.
  4. TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 11 March 2021 07: 17
    +3
    Alexander as Putin's personal propagandist at VO. Oh, what am I talking about ...
    To be honest, there are no prospects for selling to any Western power, both momentary and long-term. Just because they are not there. Erdogan is always in his own interests (maybe this is a small plus, because he has at least a particle of sovereignty, unlike other puppets), which often do not coincide with ours. Who knows who will come after him? And where did the shell, captured by the Turkish PNS, suddenly go? Why did he leave so abruptly for the USA? Tell me which planes Turkey uses. This may well be used for experiments with our air defense and increasing the capabilities of its suppression, bypass, EW tuning, etc. And all the data will flow overseas.
    1. parma
      parma 11 March 2021 08: 09
      -3
      Quote: TerraSandera
      Alexander as Putin's personal propagandist at VO. Oh, what am I talking about ...
      To be honest, there are no prospects for selling to any Western power, both momentary and long-term. Just because they are not there. Erdogan is always in his own interests (maybe this is a small plus, because he has at least a particle of sovereignty, unlike other puppets), which often do not coincide with ours. Who knows who will come after him? And where did the shell, captured by the Turkish PNS, suddenly go? Why did he leave so abruptly for the USA? Tell me which planes Turkey uses. This may well be used for experiments with our air defense and increasing the capabilities of its suppression, bypass, EW tuning, etc. And all the data will flow overseas.

      So I also read and think, but where does the guarantor? I bought the complexes of the Turks, what to do with them (give them to the Americans or use them against them) is up to the Turks ... the Turkish stream makes the Turks stand idle, the nuclear power plant gets the Turks almost free of charge, the Turks are fighting against our proxies in Karabakh, Libya, Syria, and a long and great game from the guarantor ... what is the subtlety of the game then? the fact that the rest of the children will grow up and go into big politics, and the guarantor will continue to play?
  5. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 11 March 2021 08: 20
    +1
    Yes, Putin is playing a long game. For many it is incomprehensible. This is his style.
    It seems that the author has Viktor Kamenev sitting in the basement and writing him articles about the great grandmaster of geopolitics. It was his style on VO lol
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 11 March 2021 11: 28
      -1
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      It seems that the author has Viktor Kamenev sitting in the basement and writing him articles about the great grandmaster of geopolitics. It was his style on VO
      It is a pity that you will in no way be honored to present your article to the audience present.
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 11 March 2021 08: 31
    +4
    For several years now we have periodically admired his correct steps towards Russia ...

    Yeah...
    The Turkish President is playing a very risky game.

    This is an indisputable fact.
    No, we will not get a friend on our southern borders. Recep Tayyip Erdogan's nationalism will not disappear anywhere. And dreams of the great Turan too.

    I agree.
    But it doesn't really matter to us.

    How shoud I understand this???
    We need a neighbor who will not hold a stone in his bosom. And this is the main thing.

    Here is just the case that no matter how much meat you throw at the wolf, he will remain a wolf. The meat will run out, and ... you will become meat ...
    In truth, even a slight "pushing" of NATO and the US away from our borders is not a bad thing.

    The author is wishful thinking ...
  7. MrFox
    MrFox 11 March 2021 10: 20
    +1
    Why look for cunning political moves? NATO's armament must be unified, this is understandable. Compatibility with military ACS must be ensured. This is what the Americans demand
    1. Vadim Ananyin
      Vadim Ananyin 11 March 2021 10: 57
      +3
      It is not difficult to agree on communication protocols, everyone knows them.
      This is just an excuse, just an attempt to put pressure on and prevent Turkey from leaving NATO,
      this is essential for the block. Remember Turkey's policy towards Russia in other times
      no other NATO country has such a long border with us, you can constantly create tension.
    2. Walking
      Walking 11 March 2021 11: 07
      +2
      Greece has the S-300. Why don't the Turks have the S-400?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 13 March 2021 10: 03
        0
        Turkey bought it for "real money" and tested it, compared it with the Patriot .... this is an example for other countries "Near NATO", which are with money.
  8. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 11 March 2021 10: 50
    +1
    Erdogash is cunning, of course, but it is doubtful to expect other NATO members to think or something like that about the acquisition of the S-400. An attempt on his life - 1, not full control of Injerlik -2, and of course a scam from the EU. Approximate reasons, and of course he does not suit the West with his policies and ambitions.
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  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 March 2021 11: 14
    0
    I completely agree with Alexander, the United States is simply infuriated that they do not have a big red button to turn off the С400. As soon as the United States began to voice its Wishlist, it was clear why.
  11. iouris
    iouris 11 March 2021 14: 25
    0
    Erdogan's goals are unclear. Putin's goals are not clear. It is inspiring. Hurrah!
  12. lis-ik
    lis-ik 11 March 2021 16: 20
    -1
    and a Turkish tomato is stronger than a "haberdasher and a cardinal."
    There is no Turkish tomato for a long time, but for now there are citrus fruits. Dagestan and Azerbaijan were replaced by tomatoes. I understand that this is allegorical. but you have to be a professional to the end, even in a burst of propaganda. By the way, the S-400. as well as the S-300 did not participate in any conflict and talking about their advantage is also unsuitability.
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 March 2021 19: 29
    +2
    In addition to everything ... the United States at first simply refused to sell tago weapons, like the Patriot ... then, succumbing to blackmail, after the first tender (when the Chinese won), the Patriot was allowed to be sold, BUT:

    1. Turkey bought them,
    2. They were not commanded by Turkey, even on its own territory.
    3. We must also take into account the "bookmarks" in the air defense system ....
    4. Patriots depend on external sources of information
  14. Briz
    Briz 11 March 2021 21: 21
    0
    No, we will not get a friend on our southern borders. Recep Tayyip Erdogan's nationalism will not disappear anywhere. And dreams of the great Turan too. But it doesn't really matter to us. We need a neighbor who will not hold a stone in his bosom.

    This neighbor was already born with a stone in his bosom. And he will never change. But at the moment he is not an outright enemy, but a neighbor with a stone in his bosom. And there it will be seen that the rest of the participants in the game are also uncertain about Turkey.
  15. Puppeteer 111
    Puppeteer 111 11 March 2021 22: 00
    -1
    List of NATO countries in line? To the studio please
  16. steelmaker
    steelmaker 11 March 2021 22: 18
    0
    "Yes, Putin is playing a long game. For many it is incomprehensible. This is his style."
    Or maybe it's just a lack of education? Where has it already reached the "cook" everything does not reach him? For example, where did his long game have a positive effect on the country and the people? I got rid of Chubais recently, and even then not completely! But how do people suffer in Donbass, Transnistria. And his "long party" with the pension reform? Where is a positive example of long games?
  17. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 12 March 2021 10: 14
    +2
    Yes, Putin is playing a long game. For many it is incomprehensible. This is his style.
    Putna's style is to play a situational game, reactionary, there are no long strategies either in foreign or domestic politics.
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  19. NF68
    NF68 13 March 2021 15: 22
    0
    They do not want to let anyone into their garden. Moreover, Russia.
  20. viktor_47
    viktor_47 14 March 2021 22: 23
    0
    The United States does not sell its weapons to countries that it considers to be their adversaries, or who can transfer information about these weapons to such countries. It is a perfectly justified position to protect against the leakage of their technologies, which, among other things, can make American weapons ineffective against enemy countries. And no "just business"! The position "a breakthrough into the NATO arms market is a victory" is at least surprising.
  21. Evgeny Karpov
    Evgeny Karpov 20 March 2021 23: 41
    0
    We'll get neutral, that's good. Let's remember de Gaulle's France