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American analysts have been discussing various scenarios of an armed conflict between the United States and the USSR / Russia for at least the past 75 years: as soon as the Second World War ended, Soviet-American relations quickly passed into a phase of confrontation. The main guarantor warning countries against open conflict is nuclear weaponwhich both the United States and Russia possess. But who will win when it comes to the war on conventional weapons?


What is the difference between infantry and motorized rifle divisions of the US Armed Forces and the RF Armed Forces?


The author of the American edition of The National Interest K. Mizokami writes that the United States and Russia have the most powerful armies in the world. The Russian and American armies have spent most of the last decade and a half fighting in Afghanistan and Syria, Iraq and Georgia. Now American and Russian marines are in the same country - in Syria, as well as right across the border from each other in the Baltics.

Naturally, a little childish, but very interesting question arises: who is stronger?

The basic unit of an infantry unit in the American army is a squad - infantry, air assault, airborne, or mountain. The squad consists of 9 soldiers, who are subdivided into a squad leader and 2 fire groups. Each fire group consists of a fire group commander and 3 soldiers, Mizokami writes.

In mechanized units, the squad also consists of 9 people, but includes the crew of a Stryker or M2 Bradley combat vehicle, and a group of soldiers who parachute from the vehicle and conduct foot combat. The main advantage of the mechanized squad is the firepower of the 25mm M242 Bushmaster automatic cannon on the Bradley or the 7,62mm coaxial machine gun. The European mechanized units are armed with the Javelin anti-tank missile, which, according to an American analyst, is capable of hitting heavy Russian armored vehicles.

The mechanized infantry platoon consists of three mechanized squads with no additional firepower, although the Stryker platoon also includes an armament squad with two M240B machine guns. The light infantry platoon also consists of 3 squads and an additional weapons squad, which includes a squad leader and 9 soldiers armed with 2 M240B machine guns and two Javelin anti-tank missiles. In this case, the platoon commander can transfer the weapons compartment to where there is the greatest need for increased firepower.

The main advantage of the American infantry


As for the Russian ground forces, Mizokami emphasizes the almost complete identity of the Russian motorized rifle squad with the motorized infantry squad of the US Army, with the exception of the fact that the Russians do not have an anti-tank guided missile launcher of the same category as the Javelin.


Squads in units of the Airborne Forces resemble in their structure motorized rifle squads, but based on combat vehicles BMD-3, BMD-4. Due to the lower carrying capacity of the BMD, the squads in the Airborne Forces units may be smaller in number, but Mizokami notes the clear superiority of the Airborne Forces of the RF Armed Forces in mobility.

The main advantages of the Russian infantry Mizokami include the ability to deploy more vehicles than the American infantry, and in the Airborne Forces - greater tactical mobility and mobility, the ability to land further from the final target. However, Mizokami believes that the Russian platoon is less tenacious on the battlefield: if it loses a car, it will lose a third of its combat power, and the American mechanized platoon only a quarter of its firepower.

Also, an American analyst notes the superiority of the American army armored vehicles over Russian armored vehicles. Dismounting, the American infantry also has a firepower advantage: the American platoon can deploy three Javelin missiles, six light and two medium machine guns against three medium machine guns and an SVD rifle from Russian motorized riflemen.

At the same time, the American and Russian infantry would never fight each other "alone." If such a battle took place, then the US and Russian infantry would act as part of a single team with armored, rocket and artillery units, aviation... Nonetheless, Mizokami concludes, the US forces have a decisive advantage in firepower and it is still better that this deadly match never takes place.
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  1. Gado
    Gado 9 March 2021 18: 36
    +33
    Another delirium from another delusional K. Mizokami. Just.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 March 2021 18: 54
      +17
      There are too many nuances on the battlefield. From psychological stability, to fire support, from the qualities of commanders, to gouges leading "friendly fire". Although, of course, it would be better to check the qualities of the fighters in a real battle.
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 9 March 2021 19: 22
        +3
        Why a real fight when there is biathlon? Tank for example.
        1. vadim dok
          vadim dok 10 March 2021 15: 42
          +1
          Or play tanks!
  2. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 9 March 2021 18: 42
    +18
    Another powerful analyst from the trash heap NI in the intertrap of a certain Ilya Polonsky. Topwar holds the brand of bottom punch firmly.
    1. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin 9 March 2021 19: 53
      +14
      On NI, there are interesting authors and articles, why the dump, according to this logic, the whole Internet is a dump.
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 9 March 2021 20: 04
      +4
      Another powerful analyst from the trash heap NI in the intertrap of a certain Ilya Polonsky. Topwar holds the brand of bottom punch firmly.

      Analytics is not an analyst, but in the new combat regulations of the RF Armed Forces, the department was finally divided into 2 groups - firing and maneuverable.

      And a lot more from the tactics of the US Army, from tiered strongpoints to the actions of sniper pairs.

      As one authoritative officer is rumored to have said, "This is not the charter of my Armed Forces." wink
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 9 March 2021 22: 07
        -3
        Quote: Arzt
        Analytics is not an analyst, but in the new combat regulations of the RF Armed Forces, the department was finally divided into 2 groups - firing and maneuverable.
        And a lot more from the tactics of the US Army, from tiered strongpoints to the actions of sniper pairs.

        This is good....
        As one authoritative officer is rumored to have said, "This is not the charter of my Armed Forces."

        Which combat manual of the US Army did he mean - FN -...........?
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 9 March 2021 22: 09
          +1
          Which combat manual of the US Army did he mean - FN -...........?

          Our new one.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 9 March 2021 22: 29
            +1
            Quote: Arzt
            Which combat manual of the US Army did he mean - FN -...........?

            Our new one.

            AND? I didn't get it. I haven't seen either.
            But "Westernization" has been sweeping across the country for a long time, and many things are copied from the Empireists without hesitation in many areas ...
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 10 March 2021 10: 28
        +1
        but in the new combat regulations of the RF Armed Forces, the squad was finally divided into 2 groups - fire and maneuverable.

        That is, they returned the 1939 Infantry Regulations? There was such a division.
      3. Yaroslav Tekkel
        Yaroslav Tekkel 10 March 2021 20: 47
        0
        The military article of Empress Catherine was canceled, bitter grief!
    3. dedusik
      dedusik 9 March 2021 21: 46
      +1
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      Another powerful analyst from the trash heap NI in the intertrap of a certain Ilya Polonsky. Topwar holds the brand of bottom punch firmly.

      Here is the original https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/death-match-what-if-russias-and-americas-armies-went-war-179626
    4. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 9 March 2021 23: 14
      +7
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      Another mighty analytics from NI's garbage can in the interpretation of a certain Ilya Polonsky... Topwar holds the brand of bottom punch firmly.
      It is good when the eyes see, but it is bad when the head cannot comprehend what is being read. In this case, hitting the bottom is like your strong point ...
      Polonsky is not the primary source of the presented "analytics", but only reproduces the compressed material of another author, for the audience present
      Author of the American edition The National Interest K. Mizokami writesthat the United States and Russia have the most powerful armies in the world ... (and further in the text)
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 10 March 2021 10: 20
        +3
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Polonsky is not the primary source of the presented "analytics", but only reproduces the compressed material of another author, for the audience present

        Yes, it just squeezes ... But, oddly enough, it is in the part where the author of the original indicates that the Russian infantry has an infantry fighting vehicle with a 100 mm cannon. Moreover, I think, even with the loss of 2 vehicles, the rest of the equipment (1 unit) will smash (it has all the possibilities) all the unfortunate 4 Bradleys from both 2A42 and even more from the 100mm ATGM cannon-launcher (only 8 missiles, plus 40 rounds for the cannon) from distances starting from 5500 m.
        1. Dmitry V.
          Dmitry V. 10 March 2021 13: 51
          +6
          Quote: Hagen
          Yes, it just squeezes ... But, oddly enough, it is in the part where the author of the original indicates that the Russian infantry has an infantry fighting vehicle with a 100 mm cannon. Moreover, I think, even with the loss of 2 vehicles, the rest of the equipment (1 unit) will smash (it has all the possibilities) all the unfortunate 4 Bradleys from both 2A42 and even more from the 100mm ATGM cannon-launcher (only 8 missiles, plus 40 rounds for the cannon) from distances starting from 5500 m.


          I wouldn't be so sure.

          The role of the LMS matters more:
          OMS BMP Bradley includes a combined gunner's sight of the "day-night" type with 4x and 12x magnification and optical communication with a similar device of the commander. Back in Desert Storm, the Bradley infantry fighting vehicles were equipped with sights with infrared channels. That allowed them to use weapons on a target such as a tank, at night at a distance of 2000-2500 m.
          BMP М2А3 "Bradley" is already a much more serious OMS - the command display of tactical situation data (CTD), a color display with a flat screen, working in conjunction with the independent commander's instrument (CIV). It provides a display of tactical data to the commander of the Bradley vehicle and enables him to transmit and receive operational information. The IBAS system with the integrated Advanced Infrared Forward Vision (FLIR) system will increase the effective target detection range.
          The Bradley M3 is an even more formidable opponent.
          The tactical situational awareness system for close combat (C2SAS) includes two infrared devices with a wide field of view and daytime TV cameras mounted on the roof of the vehicle hull in its front and rear, which allows the crew to observe, detect and identify targets within a radius of 200 m.

          Signals from outdoor C2SAS sensors are transmitted through a video distribution system, which provides independent selection of image sources for three workstations (commander, gunner and driver).

          Demonstration of BTD2 technologies The main thing is a combined electro-optical and IR detection system installed on the mast, which is retracted under the armor in the rear of the vehicle. It is based on the FLIR Systems Star SAFIRE LV system, which combines up to six sensors, including a 200 mW laser emitter, a low-level zoom camera, a thermal imaging camera, a television camera with a long focus lens, a camera with an image intensifier and a laser rangefinder. ... The mast raises the sensor unit to a height of 5 m from the ground. The detection range of infantry is 10.8 km, identification - 4,2 km and identification - 2,2 km. The detection range of tanks is 20,6 km, identification - 11,4 km and identification - 6,5 km. To detect targets that are out of line of sight at ranges of up to 10 km, the calculation can use a remote-controlled Aerovironment Raven UAV.
          There will be a clear advantage over the BMP-3 in terms of detection distance.
          BMP-3M no chances to be the first to detect the enemy

          BMP-3 are sights of the TKN-AI type - a 5-fold combined day-night observation device for the commander of the BTT and TVK-1B for the mechanical drive.
          The night channel operates in passive and active-pulse modes with target illumination with a semiconductor laser (AI NVV). It is certainly better than electro-optical night vision devices.
          But many times inferior to IR sights.

          New PKP-K sights appeared only on BMP-3M and how many are there?
          PKP-K Unlike TKN-AI, the panoramic sight provides the commander with all-round visibility and has thermal and television channels.
          By the way, an ATGM loading mechanism can be installed on the BMP-3M, reducing the charging time to 10-15 seconds, and Bradley can shoot Tou in 3-5 seconds - just open the container lids.
          With a flight time of about 3000 seconds at 20 m, both operators will have time to release ATGMs, but "the American will be able to hit the target earlier and thereby disrupt the enemy's guidance in a duel situation.
          It is clear that combat situations rarely lead to 1v1 duel clashes.
          But in general, Bradley has a better SAU, better rate of fire for a cannon and ATGM, better protection + dynamic protection of the frontal part from ATGM.
          A serious opponent not only for the BMP-3, but also for the BMP-3M.
          Weak armament to support the infantry and insufficient ammunition of ATGMs, but quite sufficient to "pick" BMP-3 at a distance of 2000 m. From Bushmaster, especially Tou.

          About NVG, you can see here at what stage our TKN AI in comparison with foreign ones.
          http://www.vrsystems.ru/stati/pribori_nochnogo_videniya_dlya_bronemashin.htm
          For comparison: a similar observation device was still installed on the Leopard-1, only the range was not 3000 m, but 2000 m.
          And where are Leopard-1 and BMP-3 in terms of development time?
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 10 March 2021 18: 03
            0
            Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
            I wouldn't be so sure.

            That's why I added - "has all the possibilities." Nobody discounts the importance of crew training. But the justification for your position is respectful. hi
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 9 March 2021 18: 59
    +9
    Nonetheless, Mizokami concludes, the US forces have a decisive advantage in firepower and it is still better that this deadly match never takes place.

    The most reasonable conclusion, which is rarely found among such analysts, is at the very end of the phrase / sentence! And as for the advantages ... well, the sandpiper, praises its swamp, this is usual, almost normal!
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 9 March 2021 22: 11
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      And as for the advantages ... well, the sandpiper, praises its swamp, this is usual, almost normal!

      Well, in terms of firepower, judging by the story of the empirialist, we are really inferior in mobility and firepower ..... if we add to this story that the United States has more AA helicopters, attack UAVs and the number of tanks in TB ... then it turns out like this everything is funny for us ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 March 2021 22: 28
        +1
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Well, in terms of firepower, judging by the story of the empirialist, we are really inferior

        Everything is relative, and even from what angle to look!
        Remember how different experts are trying to convince us, stupid, how our enemies will break through / tear to shreds our air defense - missile defense !!! I even stopped laughing at their attempts. I CAN NOT!
        And our infantry units, apart from the means of reinforcement, will "fight" ??? why would it suddenly? especially since we really have more of them, of different types !!! In general, the expert is disingenuous, or rather does not want real data, the ability to compare where they are clearly sour, but there are such positions!
        If you need to on any point, you can understand, BUT, everything will be crossed out by one circumstance ... the vigorous powers CANNOT fight among themselves, and for any other attempt to attack one will end fatally!
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 9 March 2021 22: 39
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Everything is relative, and even from what angle to look!
          If you need to on any point, you can understand

          I noticed the empiricalist praised the Bradley BMP cannon, but did not say a word about the cannons, the BMP / BMD / BTR-82A having, incl. ATGM (with a turret "berezhok") and twin guns at the BMP-4 ...
          True, the enemy BMP's armor is stronger ...
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 23: 49
            +2
            Quote: Lara Croft
            True, the enemy BMP has stronger armor


            Bradley has 2 TOW ATGMs. In Iraq with them, she destroyed more tanks than the Abrams.
            But in general, this BMP is tired, apparently the replacement is not worth the money. On the other hand, there is nothing better on the head.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 9 March 2021 23: 54
              0
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              Quote: Lara Croft
              True, the enemy BMP has stronger armor

              Bradley has 2 TOW ATGMs. In Iraq with them, she destroyed more tanks than the Abrams.

              Yes, I read about it, maybe even here ... a very long time ago ...
          2. Usher
            Usher 10 March 2021 03: 06
            -3
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Quote: rocket757
            Everything is relative, and even from what angle to look!
            If you need to on any point, you can understand

            I noticed the empiricalist praised the Bradley BMP cannon, but did not say a word about the cannons, the BMP / BMD / BTR-82A having, incl. ATGM (with a turret "berezhok") and twin guns at the BMP-4 ...
            True, the enemy BMP's armor is stronger ...

            Are you seriously?
        2. Puppeteer 111
          Puppeteer 111 9 March 2021 22: 49
          0
          What is the conclusion? You need to publish your devastating, and most importantly analytical article. With all the layouts and and comparisons and)
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 9 March 2021 22: 52
            -1
            Quote: Puppeteer 111
            What is the conclusion? You need to publish your devastating, and most importantly analytical article. With all the layouts and and comparisons and)

            It’s sinful to laugh ....
        3. NEOZ
          NEOZ 10 March 2021 15: 03
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          vigorous powers CANNOT fight among themselves, and for any other attempt to attack one will end fatally!

          are you reading Russian classics nowadays?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 10 March 2021 15: 26
            +1
            I read the classics at one time .... now we live in a "fantastic time", looked out the window, looked at the TV, looked into the Internet and .... I want something "light", the brains are not overloading ... they are already sideways, somewhere else.
            In the evening I will study the directory ... of the poultry farmer! I want to have quail or guinea fowl birds.
            Which is better?
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 22: 33
        -2
        Quote: Lara Croft
        judging by the story of the empirialist, we are really inferior in mobility and firepower


        In terms of firepower at the brigade / division level, parity. Mobility yes. The division goes into heavy tank brigades with infantry on Bradley, Stryker Brigades, and light infantry. Light infantry is deployed either by helicopters or MRAP.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 9 March 2021 23: 00
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          The division goes into heavy tank brigades with infantry on Bradley, Stryker Brigades, and light infantry. Light infantry is deployed either by helicopters or MRAP.

          This concept, the division of brigades into heavy (MBR / BTBr.), "Striker" (PBR.) And light (VDBr., VSHBr., LPBR.), 30 years already .....
          As I understand it, the Stryker brigade is an analogue of our MSBR. Or are they still lighter, they are armed with wheeled infantry fighting vehicles?
          They have not invented anything new in terms of the types of formations on the battlefield, but the ILC began to form separate regiments ...
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 23: 31
            0
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Or are they still lighter, they are armed with wheeled infantry fighting vehicles?

            Not easier. In addition to wheeled infantry fighting vehicles (M1296 Stryker with a 30 mm cannon), there are also wheeled "tanks" (M1128 Mobile Gun System 105 mm cannon). Artillery and mortars of course.

            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 9 March 2021 23: 38
              0
              OgnennyiKotik wheeled "tanks" (M1128 Mobile Gun System 105 mm gun)

              I read about it in periodicals (ACS). The Americans in the troops swear at its chassis, it cannot stand it, it is of "useful weight" ....
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 23: 45
                -1
                Wheeled "tank" is unofficial, we have an ACS, they have a mobile cannon system. In short, a 105 mm wheelbase cannon.
                They are constantly complaining about something. Either eliminated or eliminated, not critical.
        2. Doctor
          Doctor 9 March 2021 23: 01
          +2
          In terms of firepower at the brigade / division level, parity. Mobility yes. The division goes into heavy tank brigades with infantry on Bradley, Stryker Brigades, and light infantry. Light infantry is deployed either by helicopters or MRAP.

          Yes. Here is clearer.
          On Bradley:


          On Strikers:
      3. Hagen
        Hagen 10 March 2021 10: 28
        +2
        Quote: Lara Croft
        if we add to this story that the United States has more AA helicopters, attack UAVs and the number of tanks in TB.

        In response, I would add that all this persimmon must also be delivered and maintained from the North American continent. And the whole Motherland will help us. Some roads are worth something !!! The German divisions were also larger in number than ours. And how did it help them? The war, however, is fought not only by naked counting of missiles and barrels, but also by the brain apparatus. So a straightforward comparison of the MPV with the MSV is the stupidest undertaking of the couch and podolodivanny theorists who have never served in a real army. Former campaigners enter these disputes, as a rule, out of boredom and a desire to troll the opponent. wassat
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 10 March 2021 11: 02
          0
          Quote: Hagen
          In response, I would add that all this persimmon must also be delivered and maintained from the North American continent.

          Do you think the United States will not return to the concept of "dual-basing divisions", as in the years of the Cold War? All the same, it is good that after the collapse of the ATS and the Union, the Armed Forces of NATO countries were reduced faster than ours, and the pace of reduction of the Armed Forces of the countries of the former ATS is generally staggering, from the fact that there were miserable fragments ...
          But nevertheless, the empirialists should not be underestimated, in terms of the numerical strength and combat strength in the European theater of operations, they surpass us (meaning general-purpose forces).
          The German divisions were also larger in number than ours. And how did it help them?

          At the initial stage, it helped ... the Germans also have more tanks in the TB than we have ... but in the management level, on the contrary, there are fewer people ...
          The war, however, is fought not only by naked counting of missiles and barrels, but also by the brain apparatus.

          Hard to disagree.
          a straightforward comparison of the MPV with the MSV is the stupidest undertaking of the sofa and podolodivanny theorists who have never served in a real army.

          I think most of them served here, another matter, what% of personnel in / sl, no need to offend kind and trusting members of the forum ...
          Comparative analysis is always interesting, especially when analyzing the platoon's weapons, even without VT ...
          For example, someone would write an article of the US Army and US Army Air Defense Forces, as well as the DPR Ground Forces, in the main types of combat, take PTS from some RPG-7 and RPG "Carl Gustav" (they want to buy) and ATGM "Javelin" from the Americans, and from Donetsk RPG-7, immediately indicate the performance characteristics of these PTSs in the article, so kind and gullible members of the forum will immediately see what kind of fire effect this or that unit has on the enemy ...
          Then indicate the numerical strength, combat strength, structure and tactics of these platoons, so it would be more interesting to read ...
          besieged

          A new term in VO, can you decipher it? Are these those who, having served in the Armed Forces, have not yet managed to become a couch theoretician, or, on the contrary, the one who has not served in the Armed Forces but has not yet grown to a couch theoretician?
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 10 March 2021 11: 33
            +1
            Quote: Lara Croft
            I think most of them served here, another matter, what% of personnel in / sl, no need to offend kind and trusting members of the forum ...

            Those who really served, and also took part in the "not cold" points, will understand me and will not be offended. For they know not by hearsay that the armed forces are fighting, not divisions and, moreover, not platoons. And where the platoon has something lacking, there will be given strength and support from the senior commander. Such is the military "outsourcing".
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 10 March 2021 11: 42
              -2
              Quote: Hagen
              And where the platoon has something lacking, there will be given strength and support from the senior commander.

              Maybe yes, maybe no. Do you know the staffing, weapons of the ISM on the BMP or on the armored personnel carrier?
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 10 March 2021 17: 23
                0
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Maybe yes, maybe no.

                It’s a pity that help didn’t come ....? What do you have to do with SMEs?
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 10 March 2021 18: 32
                  -2
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Maybe yes, maybe no.

                  It’s a pity that help didn’t come ....? What do you have to do with SMEs?

                  We were silent for a long time before asking, do you work on Armenian radio?
                  What I mean: as part of the peacekeeping forces in the Republic of South Ossetia from the Russian Federation was presented an ICB performing the peacekeeping function, as well as similar ICB from the Republic of South Ossetia and the PB from Georgia ...
                  At the time of Georgia's attack on South Ossetia - 08.08.08, the peacekeeping battalion of the RF Armed Forces was holding the defenses at its location in Tskhinvali in the absence of military equipment and mortars, which are relied on by the state ...
                  Question: where were the standard weapons of the Russian peacekeeping battalion? And what kind of standard equipment is required by the Ministry of the Interior of the Russian Federation?
                  As indicated in the article below, at one of the two bases of Russian peacekeepers with a strength of 200 people. there were 4 BMP-1, you yourself understand that based on the total number of BMPs in service with the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the RF Ground Forces, as well as other equipment, the remaining ones were supposed to be located at another base of Russian peacekeepers, have you heard something about it, no, it is being created the impression that the MSB either did not have all the military equipment that was supposed to it according to the state, or it was taken away from the MSB before the start of hostilities, otherwise, there would have been less losses, right?
                  https://topwar.ru/28003-podvig-mirotvorcev-v-chinvali.html
                  2 more BMPs on the border with Georgia ...
                  The first most terrible blow of the militarized Georgian armada was taken by a battalion of Russian peacekeepers. Armed mainly with light small arms, they confronted a battalion of Georgian troops for almost two days. And they did not give the enemy on the move to go to Tskhinvali.

                  https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201708040924-mbpz.htm
                  Where are the remaining infantry fighting vehicles, armored reconnaissance vehicles, mortars and anti-tank systems? They weren't there?
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 10 March 2021 19: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    We were silent for a long time before asking, do you work on Armenian radio?

                    VO is not my job and my only interest in life. So slow down if you want to chat.
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    as part of the peacekeeping forces in the Republic of South Ossetia from the Russian Federation, an ICB was represented performing the peacekeeping function, as well as similar ICB from the Republic of South Ossetia and the PB from Georgia ...

                    You yourself answered your own question. The peacekeeping mission is not the main one for the SME. Therefore, the states and structure of the forces involved in the typical name may not coincide with the normal OSH for the main application. OShS SMB look at Google. There they are. Both old and new. About losses. MCs are usually introduced to separate the parties to the conflict by agreement with both parties. Which means the absence of formal hostilities, but there is a threat of spontaneous aggressive manifestations by individual representatives, which can cause an escalation of confrontation. In Georgia, we had a deliberate attack by the armed forces with the direct participation of the state apparatus. I think that the presence of a full combat staff and SME equipment would not have saved them from losses. I myself have not participated in such missions, but it is quite obvious that the composition and armament of peacekeepers is determined in the UN Security Council when determining the mandate for a specific operation / mission. Perhaps there are restrictions on weapons. I can't say.
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 10 March 2021 19: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Hagen
                      The peacekeeping mission is not the main one for the SME. Therefore, the states and structure of the forces involved in the typical name may not coincide with the normal OSH for the main application.

                      And why then in NKR we have MSBR. staffed on the condition that it was created for peacekeeping operations?
                      And what happened to the same as our MSB of the Republic of South Ossetia, which before the war received brand new BMPs in the amount of 40 pieces?
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 10 March 2021 19: 26
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                        Quote: Lara Croft
                        And why then in NKR we have MSBR. staffed on the condition that it was created for peacekeeping operations?

                        It all depends on the mandate for the use of the IS. Either the peacekeeping forces do not have a mandate to use force in accordance with Chapter VII of the UN Charter and they are peacekeeping, or they received such a mandate and, accordingly, are forces to enforce peace. Based on this, they are armed.
                      2. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 10 March 2021 19: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Based on this, they are armed.

                        Only the weapons of all three battalions are different ...
      4. Doliva63
        Doliva63 10 March 2021 20: 17
        +1
        Quote: Hagen
        Quote: Lara Croft
        if we add to this story that the United States has more AA helicopters, attack UAVs and the number of tanks in TB.

        In response, I would add that all this persimmon must also be delivered and maintained from the North American continent. And the whole Motherland will help us. Some roads are worth something !!! The German divisions were also larger in number than ours. And how did it help them? The war, however, is fought not only by naked counting of missiles and barrels, but also by the brain apparatus. So a straightforward comparison of the MPV with the MSV is the stupidest undertaking of the couch and podolodivanny theorists who have never served in a real army. Former campaigners enter these disputes, as a rule, out of boredom and a desire to troll the opponent. wassat

        Probably, for the first time I agree with you - non-military people are discussing non-military non-military nonsense on a military topic drinks
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 19: 03
    +6
    The main thing is that they may have an RQ-11 or RQ-20 UAV in their platoon. More than 20 of them have already been cut. This is a massive increase in situational awareness that can play a critical role.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 9 March 2021 20: 20
      0
      The main thing is that they may have an RQ-11 or RQ-20 UAV in their platoon.

      The thing is undoubtedly useful, but how will he behave in the conditions of active electronic warfare? I don't think they managed to cram something especially powerful in terms of transmission into such a trick ..
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 20: 34
        +4
        Are you laughing? This is a UAV worn by 1 person, works for a platoon maximum of a company. The task is to see what is on / behind the folds of the terrain, forest belt or village. What kind of electronic warfare is there? If something happens, then the EW brigade complex on the RQ-7 will identify the source of interference and the brigade artillery will stop its work.
        However, if the operator sends the UAV too far or difficult conditions, then the connection may be lost. As with any other road.
        RQ-11/20 can work as a repeater for standard radios to increase the communication range of the platoon. It is very important, especially in the mountains.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 9 March 2021 22: 16
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          RQ-11/20 can work as a repeater for standard radios, to increase the communication range platoon.

          Do the APU in the ATO zone have them?
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 22: 18
            +2
            I have no idea. Even if there are, there will be 2 results either break or lose.
            1. Gato
              Gato 10 March 2021 01: 25
              +2
              They will also cut themselves.
        2. Usher
          Usher 10 March 2021 03: 15
          -4
          What kind of electronic warfare is there? If something happens, then the EW brigade complex on the RQ-7 will identify the source of interference and the brigade artillery will stop its work.
          The usual such electronic warfare. How can the RQ-7 identify the source? He has nothing to identify with. What are you writing a lie here? If there is a war, do you think they will be allowed to fly? Anywhere on the secondary theater / front can be. But not in areas of active hostilities 100%. The fact that the Israelis / Turkish as their name was forgotten in B. Bombed with impunity by the Armenians is not the merit of the Azeris, but the shortcomings of the defense.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 10 March 2021 09: 54
            0
            in the "heavy" and "light" brigades, the forces and means of electronic warfare are represented by two RER and electronic warfare stations AN / MLQ-40 (V) 1 Prophet ("Prophet") and four UAVs of the RQ-7 Shadow 200 type. Organizationally, the above means are included in the military intelligence company of the battalion of special forces.
            In the mechanized brigade "Stryker" forces and means of electronic warfare are included in the company of electronic intelligence and electronic warfare of the reconnaissance battalion. In total, the company has three AN / MLQ-40 (V) 1 Prophet RER detection stations and one RQ-7 Shadow 200 tactical reconnaissance UAV complex (four reconnaissance UAVs).

            The AN / MLQ-40 Prophet complex performs the following tasks:
            - conducts radio and electronic intelligence;
            - preprocesses data to form a current card
            the general radio-electronic situation;
            - determines the coordinates of radio emission sources to ensure
            target designation and assessment of the damage inflicted;
            - carries out electronic suppression of radar equipment and
            communications in their area of ​​responsibility.

            The AN / MLQ-40 Prophet complex consists of three subsystems: 1. control and monitoring subsystem;
            2. air subsystem;
            3. ground subsystem.
            The air subsystem provides radio and radio technical intelligence, as well as electronic suppression of formations located at a distance of 15–20 km from the front edge of the combat area. The EH-60 Quick Fix helicopter and tactical UAVs - Hanter and Shadow 200 act as carriers of the means of this subsystem. The Prophet air subsystem is capable of detecting, identifying, determining the location, and also performing electronic suppression of radio emission sources. With the help of the aerial subsystem, it is planned to ensure effective conduct of radio intelligence in the frequency range 20-2000 MHz in the area of ​​responsibility of 150 × 50 km. The accuracy of determining the location of targets will depend on the distance to them and will be 40–150 m at a distance of up to 500 km, and from 80 to 120 m at a distance of 450–1500 km
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 10 March 2021 17: 30
      0
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      The main thing is that they may have an RQ-11 or RQ-20 UAV in their platoon.

      They will not be below the BCH for a long time. Actually, they are not needed there. What should they do in the MPV?
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 10 March 2021 17: 38
        +1
        Quote: Hagen
        Below the BCH they will not be long

        At the BCH level, they are armed with RQ-7


        RQ-11/20 is the platoon level now.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 10 March 2021 17: 51
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          RQ-11/20 is the platoon level now.

          No more than as an added reinforcement in some special direction or for special tasks.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 22 March 2021 13: 42
            -1
            Yes, I got excited. RQ-7 brigade level, RQ-11/20 company / battalion level.
  • Niko
    Niko 9 March 2021 20: 34
    +1
    The comparison is very, very conditional, but in my opinion it has not only the right to life, but also useful in a sense. (Of course, not in the performance of these wonderful analysts) But compare the capabilities, equipment, etc. not bad, conclusions help to improve
    1. Usher
      Usher 10 March 2021 03: 10
      -3
      This is understandable without this circus. Do you think that in our country they do it on their own, without looking back at potential opponents?
  • AB
    AB 9 March 2021 20: 52
    +2
    As always, according to American pseudo-military analysts, the United States is the coolest.
  • Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 9 March 2021 21: 00
    +2
    It would be correct to compare battalions (regiments) with means of reinforcement. And then draw conclusions
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 9 March 2021 22: 25
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir M
      It would be correct to compare battalions (regiments) with means of reinforcement. And then draw conclusions

      In vain write so.
      I remember earlier under the Union in the "ZVO" articles about NATO units and even formations were constantly published, eg: a mountain infantry company of the French Army or TD of the Bundeswehr in all types of main battle, etc.
      But then there was nothing to compare with, and I saw volumes of the Textbook on tactics only in the Army ...
    2. Gato
      Gato 10 March 2021 01: 33
      +3
      It would be correct to compare battalions (regiments) with means of reinforcement

      It would be even more correct to compare the concepts of combat use. The basis of the American one is overwhelming air superiority. If there is one, it will be quite different to compare land units and formations. And so - these are spherical battalions and brigades in a vacuum.
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 10 March 2021 10: 33
      -1
      Comparisons are made from platoons to armies, numbers, weapons, etc. Firepower is converted into conventional units, the weight of the salvo, the number of weapons per front unit, and a bunch of different parameters are counted.
      On the basis of these data, computer modeling is carried out, programs for computers are written.
      It is used in various fields of military science and in practice to make decisions by the commander for a battle.
      In general, a useful thing.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 10 March 2021 20: 24
        +1
        Quote: glory1974
        Comparisons are made from platoons to armies, numbers, weapons, etc. Firepower is converted into conventional units, the weight of the salvo, the number of weapons per front unit, and a bunch of different parameters are counted.
        On the basis of these data, computer modeling is carried out, programs for computers are written.
        It is used in various fields of military science and in practice to make decisions by the commander for a battle.
        In general, a useful thing.

        Well yes. I imagined a platoonman loading initial data into the program ... And the computer froze! , there is no decision to fight! Give up immediately? laughing
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 11 March 2021 09: 58
          0
          Well yes. I imagined a platoonman loading initial data into the program ... And the computer froze! , there is no decision to fight! Give up immediately?

          a platoon commander without a computer can figure out whether he should contact a platoon of marines or not.
          I took part in the exercises, where the ACS system was used for making decisions. We entered data on the enemy, data on our units, numbers, weapons, etc. And the system showed that it is impossible to engage in battle, it leads to defeat laughing Twisted - twirls, it is impossible for the adversary to win in any way. Then they figured out the moral component to correct. They entered the data that we have all fighters with combat experience, high morale, and the enemy is untrained, not fired upon. After that, chances arose. So high technologies are also entering the army. fellow
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 9 March 2021 21: 13
    +2
    You will praise yourself, no one will praise. Something like that !
    But in general and the whole examples and do not go to the grandmother, shaft!
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 March 2021 21: 29
    0
    Is there anyone here who can show the list of weapons of a motorcycle rifle platoon of the Russian army? An example of the Airborne Forces is somehow not a camilfo, they have other tasks.
  • iouris
    iouris 9 March 2021 21: 46
    -1
    Comparison of spherical American and Russian horses in a strategic vacuum.
    It is necessary to compare the personal and business qualities of those who directly launch the process of using strategic missiles.
  • Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 9 March 2021 21: 59
    +1
    A very conditional comparison with large propaganda passages ...
    It looks like an urgent filling of the "basement".
    (The basement is the lower part of the newspaper sheet, where the printed material is placed. It is filled, as a rule, with the last ... From practice).
  • KOMA
    KOMA 9 March 2021 22: 01
    +3
    Dear K. Mizokami and The National Interest, I ask you to urgently conduct a study who is stronger than the Hulk or Captain America?
  • av58
    av58 9 March 2021 23: 59
    0
    If the Americans, as an argument, still offer to compare the amount of salaries of the soldiers and commanders of the American platoon, then they, very possibly, will be stronger than the Russian battalion.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 10 March 2021 01: 33
    +2
    And where did the grenade launchers from the RPG-7 and further ascending all the way to the cornet go from the squads?
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 10 March 2021 20: 26
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      And where did the grenade launchers from the RPG-7 and further ascending all the way to the cornet go from the squads?

      I suspect they are all in place. Just calmed down laughing
  • Usher
    Usher 10 March 2021 03: 09
    -1
    Do they think a 25mm cannon is stronger than a 30mm? Their infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers cannot even swim. What kind of mobility are we talking about? Before the first river? Where did they go with all our ATGMs and RPGs? Why do they consider their Javelins and forget about our ATGMs? Interesting logic.
    1. Nadrub
      Nadrub 10 March 2021 10: 28
      +2
      One forgotten bumblebee is worth something :))
      1. tank64rus
        tank64rus 10 March 2021 11: 39
        +3
        If the bumblebee hits Bradley, it will be a lot of fun. I saw how the BMP hatch flew up 10 meters after being hit. And the bumblebee is more powerful.
        1. Dmitry V.
          Dmitry V. 10 March 2021 14: 22
          0
          Quote: tank64rus
          If the bumblebee hits Bradley, it will be a lot of fun. I saw how the BMP hatch flew up 10 meters after being hit. And the bumblebee is more powerful.


          We still have to get close to the firing range.
          And Bradley has an IR sight for the commander and gunner, which does not really give a chance, if it is not rough terrain or a settlement.
          Cover Krasnopol or from mortars from a closed position.

          In addition to Bumblebee, another 2 dozen disposable grenade launchers exist RShG-2 in the side of Bradley - it will be enough., The question is to approach the distance of fire.


          Likewise, the Merikos have grenade launchers.
          1. shinobi
            shinobi 12 March 2021 04: 13
            0
            You say you need to be able to get close. The practice of wars of the last 20 years tells us that it is mainly a battle in the city. In the city, it is not difficult to get into the range of the sight and there is plenty of cover. The IR sight is good, but it will not save you from crossfire from RPGs. On open terrain, the battle is very rare and the opponents, under equal conditions, have little chance of survival. They are smashed from the air and with artillery. The volley from the MLRS is generally very rare.
            1. Dmitry V.
              Dmitry V. 12 March 2021 09: 39
              +1
              Quote: shinobi
              You say you need to be able to get close. The practice of wars of the last 20 years tells us that it is mainly a battle in the city. In the city, it is not difficult to get into the range of the sight and there is plenty of cover. The IR sight is good, but it will not save you from crossfire from RPGs. On open terrain, the battle is very rare and the opponents, under equal conditions, have little chance of survival. They are smashed from the air and with artillery. The volley from the MLRS is generally very rare.


              As always, the practice of the last assaults of cities (Mosul Raqqa) traditionally confirms the high losses of armored vehicles from RPGs.
              On the outskirts, the situation was completely different - strong points were demolished by artillery and taken by infantry with the support of armored vehicles - losses from RPGs were insignificant.
              More from shahidmobiles.


              the link is a selection with attacks of shahidmobiles https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/798243599666315264
    2. Yaroslav Tekkel
      Yaroslav Tekkel 10 March 2021 22: 03
      +1
      Think. And in terms of armor penetration with massive projectiles, this is so. Moreover, even in comparison with our 30-mm and NATO 20-mm, everything is somehow not very good.
  • Altona
    Altona 10 March 2021 10: 19
    +2
    The Pakistani Mujamdar was somehow more complementary to us than his Japanese counterpart. And they have all the "analytegs" of Asian dressing there? Are there, hmm, other opinions?
  • Nadrub
    Nadrub 10 March 2021 10: 24
    +1
    The one who sits in the forest will win :), there are about a dozen "But" which radically affect the outcome of the battle ... surprise, spirit, location on the ground, the presence of Coca Cola .....
  • YOUR.
    YOUR. 10 March 2021 13: 42
    0
    Reflections on the topic "Who will defeat whom - the whale of the elephant, or the elephant of the whale" :)
  • bk0010
    bk0010 10 March 2021 20: 20
    0
    Hmmm, we are lagging behind. It is necessary at least to add a PC to each department, it is inexpensive. And it would be nice to replace half of the grenade launchers with ATGMs.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 10 March 2021 20: 20
    +1
    In 2008, my unit twice a day came under friendly fire from neighbors due to a communication failure. I think the Americans also have many such examples. There are too many accidents and non-standard development of events, and it is so easy to declare who is cooler does not make sense.
  • Yurmy
    Yurmy 11 March 2021 12: 43
    -1
    Che to compare with deer what military conflicts have passed! Delirium and not an article
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 11 March 2021 16: 37
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    There are too many nuances on the battlefield

    It happens:

    https://t.me/Reddit/14643

    r / #nextfuckinglevel
    Rescuing a girl during the fighting in Iraq
  • alekpro2010
    alekpro2010 11 March 2021 20: 25
    0
    Something strange, why do we not take into account the RPG ?, ATGM on BMP1, 2
  • Pardus
    Pardus 13 March 2021 14: 10
    +7
    who will win when it comes to the war on conventional weapons?

    The one who is better prepared and more motivated IMHO yes