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New pistol for Rosgvardia completed state tests

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New pistol for Rosgvardia completed state tests

The Lebedev modular pistol (MPL) "Lynx" for the National Guard has completed state tests. This was reported by the press service of the security department.


The Lebedev modular pistol "Lynx" was developed according to the tactical and technical assignment of the Russian Guard, work began in 2017. Currently, the pistol has passed state tests with a positive result and is recommended for adoption by the Federal Service of the National Guard of Russia (Rosgvardia).

(...) development of a promising pistol chambered for 9x19 mm with extended tactical capabilities, the Lynx code is completed

- said in a message on the official website of the department.

The Kalashnikov concern noted that although the pistol was developed on the instructions of the Russian Guard, it may be of interest to other law enforcement agencies.

The pistol is designed in a standard design and a version for special tasks with the possibility of installing a device to reduce the sound of firing. Caliber - 9X19 mm, it is possible to use various attachments, stores with increased capacity, trigger with automatic firing mode, etc.

In 2019, the Rosgvardia announced that they were considering the Lebedev pistol as a replacement for the Makarov PM pistol.
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  1. Quadro
    Quadro 9 March 2021 09: 45
    0
    Again, this KK goes everywhere with its lobby.
    1. Maz
      Maz 9 March 2021 10: 40
      +3
      SR-1 - Serdyukova - weight 0,9kg without cartridges
      Boa constrictor (pistol) - weight 0,78kg without cartridges
      Lebedev pistol - weight 0.8kg without magazine
      GSh-18 - weight 0,47kg without magazine
      Pistol Yarygin "Grach" 0,95 without cartridges ..... competition however
      About the Yarygin pistol ?: Disadvantages .... Large weight.
      Multiple misfires when shooting "cold".
      The pistol has two types of non-interchangeable magazines chambered for the 9 × 19 mm Parabellum cartridge.
      Sights tend to cling to holsters, clothing, etc.
      The sharp edges of the magazine jaws when loaded with cartridges cut fingers to blood [10].
      At the shops to the pistol, the lips are very bent towards each other. Because of this, the cartridges are delayed in the magazine when firing. Sometimes shops fall apart altogether [10].
      Not very convenient and reliable. Consists of many small parts, which increases the likelihood of breakdowns [10].
      When shooting, there are frequent delays that are difficult to eliminate. There are cases when, during firing, a spent cartridge case got stuck in the chamber and prevented the next shot from being fired [10].
      In some models, the plastic frame in the part of the handle burst [10].
      The choice is obvious - GSH-18.
      gsh18
      But our generals have other reasons.
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 9 March 2021 11: 02
        +1
        I read that GSh18's quality is also not so hot.
      2. Owl
        Owl 9 March 2021 11: 06
        +5
        Excuse me, but do you know that the GSh-18 resource is 400 idle descents, in the absence of a cartridge in the chamber? This already speaks of the unreliability of the sample in real operating conditions. The product has a kind of "long" descent, but this is not important, you can get used to it, but how will its "rotary" locking system function in conditions of "dust - water - dust"? Perhaps this is why GSH-18 was not adopted for service in the Armed Forces, but is only available in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in the "guard" and on the supply of "prosecutors and judges."
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 9 March 2021 12: 18
          +5
          As far as I remember, the main reason for not adopting the General Staff for service was that for its large-scale production it was required to create production facilities from scratch. By itself, it has only subjective flaws, not objective ones. Somehow the notorious non-standard descent or the inability to equip the store to full capacity without a special device. I don’t remember any reasonable claims to its reliability, only hypothetical ones.
      3. jonht
        jonht 9 March 2021 11: 22
        +3
        I talked with the riot police, they have a yaryga in service ... Many ailments have been cured, but the removal of the magazine from the handle still has a place to be. An armor-piercing bullet of 5-6mm pierces the sheet of the hoist, the recoil is acceptable and accuracy. With Makara they say it is more difficult to knock out the required number of points in the shooting range.
        1. frruc
          frruc 9 March 2021 11: 54
          -12%
          The Kalashnikov concern noted that although the pistol was developed on the instructions of the Russian Guard, it may be of interest to other law enforcement agencies.

          Why is Rosgvardia OJSC this firearm. They will be just right rubber sticks. Or Mr. Zolotov decided to arm his charges "to the teeth".
      4. Pereira
        Pereira 9 March 2021 18: 53
        0
        I read that the GSh has a low accuracy.
    2. S. Sergei
      S. Sergei 9 March 2021 19: 27
      0
      That's all they climb. KK is the largest, the lobby is stronger than others, so it seems the most arrogant. Where is the competition? Three commercial offers are required for a barrel of herring, and here such volumes are required for non-disposable property. Who made the decision to accept without competition? Corruption already stinks.
      1. good
        good 12 March 2021 21: 00
        -1
        Where is the competition for fighters or helicopters? :) Who can really not only develop, but bring to mind and produce in large batches, he produces. QC can do it all. The military cannot decide on anything, and the National Guard actually makes purchases, they are not satisfied with PM and PY. And approval for production is given by an interdepartmental commission and not just the National Guard wanted and ordered something. A compact PLC for the Ministry of Internal Affairs and a full-size submarine performed by Lynx were approved by the MC after the end of state tests.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 9 March 2021 09: 47
    -5
    I understand when certain types of weapons are accepted in accordance with special conditions of use: concealed carrying for guards, an enlarged magazine for special forces, the possibility of underwater shooting for "cats" ...
    But what are the special conditions for the National Guard? Does the bullet selectively find the inner enemy?
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 9 March 2021 10: 03
      +9
      individual samples of weapons are accepted in accordance with special conditions of use: concealed carrying for guards, an enlarged store for special forces, the possibility of firing underwater for "cats" ...
      But what are the special conditions for the National Guard?

      Offhand special conditions for the National Guard:
      - protection of important objects by naval detachments (where combat swimmers serve): parking of nuclear icebreakers, bridges, etc.
      - conducting intelligence and special detachments (where scouts and Spenazovtsy serve) of special events: combating bandit formations, storming premises, guarding senior officials)
      - participation by operational units in special operations on the territory of other states: Georgia, Syria.
      For a general understanding, I think enough?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 9 March 2021 10: 17
        -6
        Not. Not enough. Why is this pistol so special for guarding icebreakers and bridges? it normal pistol. Classical. But it was created for some obscure TTZ.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 9 March 2021 10: 22
          +4
          the pistol is ordinary. What does the internal enemies have to do with it.
          Recently, many pistols have been developed and put into service. In Rosgvardia from the last PYa. But if the development continues, then it does not satisfy the performance characteristics.
        2. venik
          venik 9 March 2021 12: 09
          +3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          This is an ordinary pistol. Classical. But it was created for some obscure TTZ.

          =======
          I could be wrong (not so special in small arms), but I dare to suggest that the range of ammunition. The pistol for the National Guard should, in addition to ordinary cartridge to use armor-piercing, ricochet-free, increased "stopping action .... I suppose that not every [b] [/ b] design for such a" range "is suitable ..... request
      2. vmo
        vmo 9 March 2021 10: 22
        +2
        you are absolutely right, and the previous one does not quite understand the tasks of the National Guard.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 9 March 2021 12: 03
          -4
          Quote: vmo
          you are absolutely right and the previous one does not quite understand the tasks of the National Guard.

          Your "citizen boss", the one about whom Korzhakov said:

          The one whose department significantly overstates the purchase prices for EVERYTHING (!!!) that is possible; whose “hard earned money” is estimated at 3 rubles; whose grandchildren are gnawing the granite of science in GB (getting used to it), what is the understanding of the tasks you indicated?
        2. Alexfly
          Alexfly 9 March 2021 17: 31
          -5
          and explain to me the unlucky one why other pistols are not suitable ?? 9x19 - change the cartridge to armor-piercing (although why would a pistol need it, except if the head is full of power), increased "stopping action", "ricochet-free" (lead) ... and the problem will be solved. Can't a gun and missile master's pistol withstand a weakened or enhanced charge? Over 15! years of its existence, it would be possible to bring any of its original quality to perfection ... And if it were still lowered into an amateur-sports environment (which, unfortunately, is not in the Russian Federation, which is a pity), then the ergonomics would be at the level .. ...
        3. kapitan92
          kapitan92 10 March 2021 02: 04
          -2
          Quote: vmo
          you are absolutely right, and the previous one does not quite understand the tasks of the National Guard.

      3. Flooding
        Flooding 9 March 2021 10: 46
        +4
        Quote: glory1974
        For a general understanding, I think enough?

        the pistol is recommended to replace the PM as a standard weapon
        that is, the massive rearmament of personnel
        he physically cannot meet all the requirements for certain specific tasks
        station wagon
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 9 March 2021 14: 20
          +2
          than they just tried to replace the PM, nothing happens. The Yarygin pistol is already in service, but others continue to develop.
      4. frruc
        frruc 9 March 2021 11: 59
        -7
        Glory1974
        Offhand special conditions for the National Guard:
        - protection by sea detachments ........
        and so on.

        You have not announced the commercial part of the functions of this structure.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 9 March 2021 14: 21
          +2
          the commercial part of the structure does not fight, they do not need a gun at all.
          1. frruc
            frruc 9 March 2021 19: 54
            -3
            Do you yourself believe in what you wrote? stop
        2. rjpthju
          rjpthju 10 March 2021 18: 38
          0
          Yes, yes, yes, you are right. And here you can't do without a silent firing device!
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 10 March 2021 12: 00
      -3
      Igor, hello! hi
      But what are the special conditions for the National Guard? Does the bullet selectively find the inner enemy?

      In my opinion, not in the eyebrow - but in the eye! good
      Praetorian - all the best, and more, and, if possible, without bread. laughing drinks
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 10 March 2021 12: 15
        -6
        The local public did not like my assumption and they together "threw" me "sleepers" laughing
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 10 March 2021 12: 19
          -4
          Among any public, there will always be clients who love to lick the designated place of those in power, you should not pay attention to the creak of hamsters. laughing
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 10 March 2021 12: 21
            -8
            So they fruitfully breed! Yesterday my comments were in small plus, but in a day you see how? Yes, and today it is already minus 300 somewhere. It's okay for you to "marshal", but we are offended)))
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 10 March 2021 12: 39
              -1
              There's nothing you can do about it, it's like the old song was:
              "for every smart one - one fool,
              everything is equally, everything is fair. "(c)
              Do not be upset, by the evening normal people will pick up and correct their karma. smile
  3. Alexey G
    Alexey G 9 March 2021 09: 57
    +5
    Nice pistophone! Simply beautiful ... comfortable in the hand! You will see and you want to take it in your hands!
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 9 March 2021 10: 03
    -4
    The Kalashnikov concern noted that although the pistol was developed on the instructions of the Russian Guard, it may be of interest to other law enforcement agencies.
    The pistol is designed in a standard design and a version for special tasks with the possibility of installing a device to reduce the sound of firing. Caliber - 9X19 mm, it is possible to use various attachments, stores with increased capacity, trigger with automatic firing mode, etc.

    Correctly and in a timely manner, but how to effectively perform them:
    - participation in the protection of public order, ensuring public safety;
    - participation in ensuring the regimes of the state of emergency, martial law, the legal regime of the counter-terrorist operation;
    - ensuring, by the decision of the President of the Russian Federation, the security of the highest officials of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation (heads of the supreme executive bodies of state power of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation) and other persons.

    This is not a weak substitution of the police, the Armed Forces, the FSO, and the border troops, and ...
    You can't go to any lengths to provide employment for 340 people ...
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 9 March 2021 10: 26
      +4
      no one replaces anyone, everyone fulfills their tasks. just life is richer and more diverse than some imagine. At the same time, all the tasks that I have listed have been carried out by the internal troops since the days of the USSR.
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 9 March 2021 11: 47
        -1
        Quote: glory1974
        At the same time, all the tasks that I have listed have been carried out by the internal troops since the days of the USSR.



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        2. viktorR
          viktorR 10 March 2021 10: 55
          +2
          From the annual staffing table of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Moreover, the staffing table is decreasing every year. In this staffing table, there is a number of police officers
          2009 1 325 000 people
          2011 1 280 000 people
          2012 1 people, including employees of the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation - 106 people, of which police officers - 472 people
          2015 1 003 172 people.
          2016 904 871 people
          2017 894 thousand 871 people, of which 746 thousand 859 people are employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation; of which there are 643 thousand police officers. This is already 100 people per 000 population.
          Secondly, for example, the fight against drugs, this is a separate department, for example in the United States and in most countries it belongs to the Department of Justice. We have it in the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
          Let's throw out the FSKN from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the number of police officers will be reduced below 400 per 100000. And what is 300-odd police officers per 100000 population, this is a common European indicator.
          1. kapitan92
            kapitan92 10 March 2021 12: 32
            -1
            The number of Rosgvardia for 2020 exceeds the number of ground soldiers of the Army (290 thousand). and is already 430 people.
            1. viktorR
              viktorR 10 March 2021 15: 56
              -1
              And then, counting the number of police officers per capita in the United States, add up and please do not manipulate the National Guard. Otherwise, it turns out that we count only policemen for everyone, and in Russia we add the FSIN, Rosgvardia, etc. to them. You can also add border guards and customs officers :).
            2. viktorR
              viktorR 10 March 2021 16: 04
              -1
              And about the picture, again a manipulation. How many departments are there in the Ministry of Economic Development? 36 or 39, I don't remember exactly the whole structure, there are at least a hundred thousand people working there, and most likely fewer. They also do not need material support in the form of weapons, equipment, training grounds, training courses and other specialized and not very equipment. It is all the same to compare head-on costs for the plant's accounting department and the foundry, for example. You seem to have written that you are already retired there, and an adult, and post pictures designed for emotions, purely like a puberty.
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 10 March 2021 20: 13
                -1
                Quote: viktorR
                You seem to have written that you are already retired there, and an adult, and post pictures designed for emotions, purely like a puberty.

                Respected! I'm an adult, what a word, laughing , but not retired and never wrote about it. Don't be confused!
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 9 March 2021 10: 40
      +5
      Do you have any questions about BB? Have you appeared now? Because they will "push" the drive?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 9 March 2021 11: 00
        -8
        Quote: Piramidon
        Do you have any questions about BB?

        There was no such thing. My comrades served in the BB. Do you think that in Russia the power that belongs to the people should be based on new pistols for gendarmes and PM for motorized riflemen?
        But you, you personally, rejoice. With retirement, your chances of becoming a "bully" or some other "tine" or "shustin" will increase many times, as will the chances of trying out the caliber - 9X19 mm on your own (how to put it mildly?) Skin ...
        I almost forgot. In our time, a private SA and a private explosive received 3, 70.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 9 March 2021 11: 57
          +8
          Quote: ROSS 42
          With retirement, your chances of becoming a "bulk" or some other "teen" or "shustin" will increase many times over.

          Your spit past. Young man, I have been retired for almost 30 years, and I have never interfered with the crowds of liberals and am not going to do so. You see in the Rosguards only the "oppressors of pensioners" and the defenders of the government officials you hate. And the fact that they are entrusted with the functions of protecting the same pensioners and important objects from all kinds of thugs, you have closed your eyes to that. So which of the two of us is "bulk"?
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 9 March 2021 12: 10
            -8
            Quote: Piramidon
            Young man, I have been retired for almost 30 years, and I have never interfered with the crowds of liberals and am not going to do so.

            In September it will be 29 years old, like retired ...
            Quote: Piramidon
            You see in the Rosguards only the "oppressors of pensioners" and the defenders of the government officials you hate.

            I do not see this, but they are spelled out in the tasks of the department. The name "Rosgvardia" is more suitable for the units of the army special forces and the Airborne Forces. Roszhandarmeria does not suit you? Or does the leader have special combat experience in protecting the especially snotty daughter of the mayor?
            Do not invent a name for me. Leave your "chases" and "nicknames" to your family and friends.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 9 March 2021 14: 45
              +2
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Roszhandarmeria

              gendarmes (azure uniforms) are still analogous to the State Security.
            2. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 9 March 2021 19: 45
              +2
              ROSS 42 (Yuri Vasilievich) Today, 12:10Don’t come up with a name for me.

              That they thought a lot about themselves, so that they would come up with something specially for you.
              Leave your "chases" and "nicknames" to your family and friends.

              And you your homies in the zone.
              In general, I see you here provoke kind and gullible members of the forum to your unflattering statement, incite hatred and enmity towards individuals of a particular social group of the population .... incl.
              using the media or information and telecommunication networks, including the Internet

              On the topic of the article itself, do you have something to say?
    3. Obliterator
      Obliterator 9 March 2021 13: 48
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      This is not a weak substitution of the police, the Armed Forces, the FSO, and the border troops, and ...
      You can't go to any lengths to provide employment for 340 people ...

      A duplicate structure, which would be nice to disband, and distribute the units to the above-mentioned services. The same VVs should be disbanded, and the posts should be transferred to the police public order protection units, because there is much more sense from a PPSnik on the street than from a conscript. Return SOBR back to the criminal investigation department, for the needs of which it was created.
      1. frruc
        frruc 9 March 2021 14: 58
        +1
        Here the question is different: under whom these very structures were created? And that they need to be dispersed, I agree.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 9 March 2021 19: 51
          0
          Quote: frruc
          Here the question is different: under whom these very structures were created?

          Well, the soldiers of the "internal guard" were created under the Tsar, they existed calmly under the Communists, SOBR and OMON were created under the Communists too ...
          Of those divisions that are now part of the Russian Guard, nothing has been created under the modern Russian Federation ... so think for yourself under whom ...
          And that they need to be dispersed, I agree.

          Can you handle it yourself? I just work on weekdays, and on weekends I would come to see it ...
          1. Obliterator
            Obliterator 9 March 2021 20: 33
            +1
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Can you handle it yourself? I just work on weekdays, and on weekends I would come to see it ...

            I think that a person's speech is precisely about the fact that the separate structure of the Russian Guard itself is not needed, and not that just to take people and drive them out into the cold. OMON, SOBR and OLRR - back to the police. VV and OBO should be eliminated completely, and the posts should be returned to the police again. Let it be better on the streets there will be a lot of PPSP outfits than these parasites will sit in their units or react only to alarm triggers like a banal private security company. The same PPSPshnikov can easily be put under arms in case of emergencies and riots.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 9 March 2021 21: 16
              0
              Obliterator (Nikolay)I think that a person's speech is precisely about the fact that the separate structure of the Russian Guard itself is not needed,

              Do you think that PPSniks can really replace the soldiers of the operational Brigades and ODON? After all, they are not only patrolling in cities with a population of over one million.
              For example, take the "Crimean Bridge", who will guard it? PPSM, an aunt from VOKhR with SKS.
              To protect it, a special brigade was formed (the bridge is of strategic importance) and they guard it in all spheres, from earth, water and sky ...
              Here is another example, in the central part of the Russian Federation there is a closed administrative administrative center with a population of 100 thousand people. there is not a frail "mailbox" built in it, a whole brigade of "RG" guards this closed city, if it is poured into the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, what will it be there?
              The purpose of the RG military and security units is to free the formations and units of the RF Armed Forces and the RF FSB from those functions, in the performance of which the combat capability and combat training in the RF Armed Forces and the RF FSB will decrease, since they will be engaged in an unusual and unfamiliar business .. ..
              Eliminate PSBs completely

              tried to remove them from "self-financing" from there people immediately began to blame, people received more there than in the police department, but there was discipline .... apparently, the VO was punished by the "RG", tk. in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation they also want their small share .... like let "RG" deal with them now ...
              And logically, I also don’t understand what OVO does in "RG" .....
              And the licensing system in "RG" has nothing to do like 5 leg of a dog ..... also probably some intrigue ..... but they, as they sat in their office, are still sitting, that year they renewed the permit, The district police officer swore at new forms from them ...
              The same PPSPshnikov can easily be put under arms in case of emergencies and riots.

              You apparently did not work as a PSP, so write this ... I have two classmates working there, they also wooed me as an armament specialist, after a complete disassembly and assembly of the AK, the acting specialist began to shout that he now does not know whether he will shoot or not , and ordered the "spectators" to forget what they saw, tk. complete disassembly is prohibited from them ...
              But it’s true it was in the late 90s, but there are shots there ... and you write them to the barricades in case of emergency ... yes, I remember from the Moscow events of 91 and 93, how all the police all at once disappeared where then .....
              It was under the Union that Muscovites served in the Moscow militia, and after the collapse of the Union, they come from the nearest regions, and what do they care about Moscow, the same is true in other large cities in the PPSM they work from the nearest districts of the region ...
              Military service (where the SOBR and OMON and all other immigrants from the Ministry of Internal Affairs got to) and it is different that they serve where the Motherland will send, and not in the unit where he came ...
              Yes, and the PPSM, OMON and SOBR went on business trips (on a voluntary basis), but these are business trips, and not a permanent place of service ...
        2. Obliterator
          Obliterator 9 March 2021 20: 45
          -1
          Quote: frruc
          Here the question is different: under whom were these structures created?

          Apparently for all sorts of ambitious men who want their own structure, generals' places for their roots, well, and also the Order of St. George, so much so as not to really fight (where is there to victories). And after all, they gave it, although even the last emperor Nicholas II was given it only after he arrived at the forefront in the zone of enemy artillery.
      2. hohkn
        hohkn 9 March 2021 17: 28
        +3
        Quote: Obliterator
        Return SOBR back to the criminal investigation department, for the needs of which it was created.

        SOBR was created for military support and special operations in the interests of the Organized Crime Control Department in 1993. It would be nice to recreate the Organized Crime Control Department again.
        1. Obliterator
          Obliterator 9 March 2021 20: 41
          +1
          Quote: hohkn
          SOBR was created for military support and special operations in the interests of the Organized Crime Control Department in 1993. It would be nice to recreate the Organized Crime Control Department again.

          To recreate the Organized Crime Control Department means to recognize that organized crime has not gone anywhere and exists. For the current leadership, which works for show and statistics, and not for the result, this is categorically unacceptable.
          But I do not think that the Organized Crime Control Department was finally abandoned. All the same, the search boards should have departments working in organized groups.
          1. hohkn
            hohkn 10 March 2021 17: 30
            0
            Quote: Obliterator
            To recreate the Organized Crime Control Department means to recognize that organized crime has not gone anywhere and exists.

            So she did not go anywhere. Another question is that it was reorganized. Now members of the organized criminal group are deputies. You don't have to go far for an example - in Perm, the "former" criminal authority Plotnik (Vladimir Ivanovich Plotnikov, born in 1963) is a deputy. While there was the Organized Crime Control Department, they were engaged in it ...
            Quote: Obliterator
            All the same, the search boards should have departments working in organized groups.

            Yes, they are. Departments of UR BOP and the like. But this is waving with a splayed hand. There is no analytics, the array of information required for analytics is also missing. BOP subdivisions exist only on paper, but in the states of the department (shob bulo), but in fact they duplicate (at best) UR subdivisions, or even in general "are engaged in agricultural work" (they are beating around with horseradish). It's a shame to write this, but there really is, that is.
      3. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 9 March 2021 20: 31
        +2
        Quote: Obliterator
        A duplicate structure, which would be nice to disband, and distribute the units to the above-mentioned services.

        Who is being duplicated and to whom to distribute? When there were only "vovany" you did not seek to disperse them ...
        As part of the WG, there is only one division - ODON, compare how many there were in the USSR Internal Troops ...
        BB is over 200 years old ... and it's not up to you to decide whether they are needed or not ...There are similar subdivisions in other countries and among the Empireists and the CIS countries, but for some reason they are not needed in the Russian Federation ...
        At the moment, according to the Law "RG" is called:
        In order to ensure state and public security, Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation.
        The basis of the new power structure is steel internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russiawho were transformed into the troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation.
        The Rosgvardia also included governing bodies and divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia for state control in the field of arms trafficking, private security activities, detachments of SOBR и Riot police territorial bodies of internal affairs, Special Forces of the Rapid Response Forces and Aviation of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia and the Ministry's Air Division... In addition, Rosgvardia was transferred FSUE "Protection".
        The main tasks of the Russian Guard are:
        participation in maintaining public order, ensuring public safety;
        protection of important state facilities, special cargo, structures on communications in accordance with the lists approved by the Government of the Russian Federation;
        participation in the fight against terrorism and extremism;
        participation in ensuring regimes of emergency, martial law, the legal regime of counter-terrorism operations;
        participation in the territorial defense of the Russian Federation;
        assisting the border agencies of the federal security service in protecting the state border of the Russian Federation;
        federal state control (supervision) over compliance with the legislation of the Russian Federation in the field of arms trafficking and in the field of private security activities, as well as ensuring the security of the fuel and energy complex, the activities of legal entities with special statutory tasks and departmental security units;
        protection of especially important and sensitive facilities, facilities subject to compulsory protection by the troops of the National Guard, in accordance with the list approved by the Government of the Russian Federation, protection of property of individuals and legal entities under contracts.
        https://rosguard.gov.ru/ru/page/index/vojska-nacionalnoj-gvardii-rossijskoj-federacii-2016--g--po-nastoyashhee-vremya
        Where are you going to "distribute" non-departmental security, governing bodies and subdivisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia for state control in the sphere of arms circulation in the FSO, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?

        Although PPSkov et al. Partially agree with you. transport the police need to be strengthened, but at the expense of the administrative staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and not the operational and combat units of the "RG", otherwise it will turn out to be "RG", disperse, and the PPSkov will not be added ...

        And why the hell I do not understand it was necessary to include in the "RG" - the governing bodies and subdivisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia for state control in the field of arms circulation, private security activities.

        Return SOBR back to the criminal investigation department, for the needs of which it was created.

        So RUBOP was dispersed, apparently there were reasons. In the 90s, many functions of the state were taken over by bandits in order to restore the status quo of the state and created RUBOPs ...
        Poklonskaya, as a deputy of the State Duma, spoke for the restoration of RUBOPs in the Russian Federation and I think she is right, but the topic remained open ...
        1. Obliterator
          Obliterator 9 March 2021 21: 16
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Who is being duplicated and to whom to distribute? When there were only "vovany" you did not seek to disperse them ...
          As part of the WG, there is only one division - ODON, compare how many there were in the USSR Internal Troops ...
          BB is more than 200 years old ... and it is not up to you to decide whether they are needed or not ... there are similar units in other countries and among the Empireists and the CIS countries, but for some reason they are not needed in the Russian Federation ...

          And I do not decide, but express my opinion, to which I have every right. I will not judge Dzerzhinsky's division, but I also have a military unit in the city, and I have a very poor idea of ​​what they are doing at all. At one time they wandered around the city park on patrols, and they were dressed up from a couple of 18 boys who were not trained in any way to behave with the population. Now this is not the case either. At the FIFA World Cup, my colleagues could not count on the Vovans at all, because their officers were always most worried about the fact that, God forbid, any of the f / s evil fans would not wrinkle their faces. In other words, no help at all in the event of a real crisis situation. I am sure that the warriors of them are also inactive. So why do we need such pleasure when there are not enough regular police officers on the streets. If I want to, I can wander the streets drunk as a lord or beat other people, and the police will come to pick me up somewhere in half an hour. This is generally not permissible.
          Quote: Lara Croft
          So RUBOP was dispersed, apparently there were reasons. In the 90s, many functions of the state were taken over by bandits in order to restore the status quo of the state and created RUBOPs ...
          Poklonskaya, as a deputy of the State Duma, spoke for the restoration of RUBOPs in the Russian Federation and I think she is right, but the topic remained open ...

          Yes, it's not even about the Organized Crime Control Department. For example, the FSB, in addition to the famous TsSN and regional ROSNs, also has little-known OSOMs that help operatives in cases where "heavy" ones are needed. The criminal investigation department of such cases can also have a carriage and a cart, when it is necessary to quickly and toughly accept the detainee. But the search is now forced to negotiate with the guards commanders, whereas before it was all possible to resolve between their own.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 9 March 2021 21: 42
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            Obliterator (Nikolay)So why do we need such pleasure when there are not enough regular police officers on the streets.

            This means that all military explosives must be transferred to a contract (except for auxiliary units and subunits), and while protecting objects, the "conscripts" will do an excellent job ...
            After all, the Internal Troops patrols are being formed, because there are not enough PPPs, but they are not enough, because the staffs in the administrative structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are inflated, 1/3 of l / s can be made civilians, personnel, lawyers, the AXO service, secretaries and clerks, etc.
            So it turns out that soon the Ministry of Internal Affairs will be the same in number as it was before the withdrawal of OMON, OVO, SOBR, firefighters, convoy units from them, and there will still be a lack of PPS officers ...
            And you know, even under the Soviet Union, not far from home, there was a construction police department, there was even one like this, and there were a lot of PPSniks on the streets ...
            So this is a sabotage at the top of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...
            The "RG" probably included the entire above-mentioned crowd, in order to probably hide the number of "Vovans" from the Empireists ...
            To be honest, none of the merged units in the "RG", there is neither to the village nor to the city .... I hope after 2024 everyone will again be scattered in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation ....
            1. hohkn
              hohkn 10 March 2021 17: 42
              +1
              Quote: Lara Croft
              1/3 l / s can be made by civilians, personnel, lawyers, AXO service, secretaries and clerks, etc.

              This will not make the state smaller. It's just that people will be paid less for the same work. Will it make them work better? Not so long ago, the question of another reduction was exaggerated: they want to disperse the connection (CITSiZI). Well, well ... they'll get away. Only, if something happened, even civil servants, even civil servants, you cannot transfer to the enhanced version and you cannot raise the alarm. And you will have to pay for processing. If I didn't pay, people will not go to work, and they will be right, because completely, unlike certified ones, they fall under the labor code. And there it is written that processing cannot exceed 120 hours per year.
              And the transfer of all power support (OMON and SOBR) and units that bring money (OVO and LRR) from the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the RG is complete insanity. If the WG is really needed, then BB would be transferred to it. But, you see, Zolotov was promised at one time a "general of the army", and the people were incomplete. Here is the result. All the former EMVs spit, but what's the point ...
      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 10 March 2021 11: 47
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        Quote: Obliterator
        A duplicate structure, which would be nice to disband, and distribute the units to the above-mentioned services. Disband the same BB, and give the posts to the public order protection units of the police
        Hello, we've arrived. belay
        The Internal Troops have not existed since April 5, 2016. What to disband and what posts where are you going to transfer?
  5. YOUR
    YOUR 9 March 2021 10: 36
    +5
    I wonder why all the rifle novye goes to the Russian Guard? Leftover army.
    1. Vladimir Lenin
      Vladimir Lenin 9 March 2021 11: 18
      -8
      You can't fight a lot with one pistol, and scare teenagers so that the corners do not sprinkle and the scarecrow is enough. Apparently in the Rosgvardia with scarecrows at all seams. If the National Guard were given a leather jacket and a Mauser, everyone would be just happy
  6. Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 9 March 2021 10: 49
    +3
    The pistol is beautiful, it was created by a professional (a student of Khaidurov), if the production workers do not screw up with quality workmanship, in general, it will be good.
  7. hhurik
    hhurik 9 March 2021 11: 08
    +4
    PM survived many wink And this part will survive.
    1. vl903
      vl903 9 March 2021 14: 21
      +1
      PM is a completely different class, reliable and iron like a Kalashnikov. The cartridge is not strong so that not to punch too much and not to ricochet. not very large and not very heavy. cheap and safe. what else does the district policeman need?
  8. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 9 March 2021 11: 11
    +4
    Funny.
    For the army they write that it is not very good.
    Not quite suitable for the police either.
    And Rosgvardia suits, although in fact, it performs the functions of almost army, partly police.
    Maybe it's not the performance characteristics, but something else?
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 9 March 2021 11: 58
      +6
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      For the army they write that it is not very good.
      Not quite suitable for the police either.
      And Rosgvardia suits,
      First of all, we look at who is the enemy of this unit. In the Army, this is a soldier of a non-friendly country, who is equipped in a bulletproof vest, helmet, etc. Therefore, the Army goes to the pistol "Boa" chambered for 9x21 - the very thing for confrontation with a soldier in a bulletproof vest.
      For the police, the power of this cartridge is excessive. And they do not use weapons often, more often they just wear them. In my opinion, here and PM-a, with its cartridge 9x18, is quite enough.
      Well, the Russian Guard decided that they needed a pistol chambered for 9x19, like most foreign special services with similar tasks. Formulated their requirements for the pistol and ordered.

      Quite a reasonable approach.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 9 March 2021 16: 21
        +1
        Therefore, the Army goes to the pistol "Boa" chambered for 9x21 - the very thing for the confrontation with a soldier in a bulletproof vest.
        For the police, the power of this cartridge is excessive
        well, maybe more precisely:
        created as part of the development work "Boa".
        wink , there was also a competition, so ...
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 9 March 2021 16: 24
        +1
        Well, the Russian Guard decided that they needed a pistol chambered for 9x19, like most foreign special services with similar tasks
        simple: Para / Luger, it has long been - world standards, civil Para and military Luger, and 9x18 mm., is already a national standard in the USSR and the Russian Federation!
    2. frruc
      frruc 9 March 2021 12: 09
      -7
      It's about cutting the budget. What is there incomprehensible.
  9. Roman070280
    Roman070280 9 March 2021 11: 18
    +1
    Should they shoot from what?
    Every week, articles about new pistols / assault rifles ..
    1. ammunition
      ammunition 9 March 2021 11: 58
      -5
      Quote: Roman070280
      Should they shoot from what?

      + 100500 good
  10. awdrgy
    awdrgy 9 March 2021 11: 41
    0
    Handsome but even reluctant to go to Yemen If he is there of course
  11. ammunition
    ammunition 9 March 2021 11: 54
    -2
    recourse
    A pistol is as simple a thing as a hammer or a brace.
    At the end of the day .. can a TT or even a Mauser reduce the combat effectiveness of experienced soldiers? They are no worse than all the newly-invented pistols. smile
    As Winnie the Pooh said - "in my opinion!" -))
    1. vl903
      vl903 9 March 2021 12: 11
      +3
      Well, when your life depends on the misfire of a pistol, you probably choose not a Mauser K96 or TT but PM. if every day on the belt to carry the main or the second to the machine, then pm or gsh18. if the main one and not every day then gsh18, yarygin, pl gyurzu. and the weaker the cartridge, the fewer outsiders it kills, the harder the less it beats off the hand like in rsh18, the belt does not pull easier every day. reliability problems in Yarygin and gsh18 are mostly not constructive now, but from poor manufacturing. gsh18 trigger mechanism and trigger like there is. but there is no money for fine-tuning, and I understand that there is no one for them to borrow and bring and control. but in general there should be progress, you can't stand still. and many will go better on a modern typewriter than on the same class of a new and serviceable but 1950 release because progress is progress.
      1. ammunition
        ammunition 9 March 2021 13: 51
        +1
        Quote: vl903
        it is better to go on a modern machine than on the same class of a new and serviceable but 1950 release

        The car is not a pistol (and not a brace). smile Drills LiZ (release of the times of the USSR) are considered the best locksmith.
        1. vl903
          vl903 9 March 2021 16: 00
          0
          but far from a drill. and if your life depends on him, you want at least 0.001 percent that he was better than the enemy. Well, if not yourself, but the son of some strange mother, then you can give a revolver, he shoots?
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 9 March 2021 16: 33
        +2
        than on the same class of new and serviceable but 1950 release because progress is progress.
        did you drive 1950s cars !? there is more comfort there than in modern cars, of which one front sofa costs and the distance between the front and rear seats for the passenger, and the width and volume of the trunk, plus the suspension and "weight like an armored personnel carrier", for a smooth ride, the most comfortable what was invented in the last century, for example: Volga 21st !?


        1. vl903
          vl903 9 March 2021 18: 27
          +4
          21 grandpa had a gorgeous car! As a second for the soul, yes. as the main one now? for every day? with all my respect for this car, purely theoretically, there are no belts, the steering wheel pierces the chest, by modern standards, a weak and gluttonous engine, no air conditioning and heated seats and glass with mirrors. there is no built-in radio of the TV navigator. They say weak brakes by modern standards. rear drive. not critical trifles in general. but a modern car is better for every day. for the soul on the weekend sometimes, you can.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 9 March 2021 20: 26
            +2
            purely theoretically, there are no belts, the steering wheel pierces the chest, by modern standards, a weak and gluttonous engine, there is no air conditioning and heated seats and glass with mirrors. There is no built-in radio tape recorder of the TV navigator. They say, by modern standards, weak brakes. rear drive

            - belts are installed in a couple of hours, in good service ...;
            - a traumatic steering wheel, well, the problem with the steering column is more difficult here, although you can solve ...;
            - the engine, there are many options for forcing and up to a certain power, even with a controller and a turbocharger;
            - the condo is installed from serial, the main thing is geometry, to fit;
            - a radio tape recorder, a navigator and a display for media gadgets, you can stick it yourself into a torpedo without service, a few days and it's ready, within the garage and the direct hands of the owner;
            - brakes, also in the service you can replace ..., the main thing is the budget and the desire for it all wink ;
            - rear-wheel drive, but for the city and paved roads, it is quite enough .., not everyone needs: full permanent, or plug-in !? request
            1. vl903
              vl903 9 March 2021 21: 42
              +1
              Well, this is all already there in a modern car. so in the boa and pl - the cartridges are a little better for their tasks. the applicability is a little better. the weight is slightly better. slightly better ergonomics. In principle, they do not differ from PM. but the army and the National Guard are not always more suitable than the PM.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 9 March 2021 22: 46
                +1
                ergonomics. in principle, they do not differ from PM
                maybe so, I'm not a fan and a fan of PM, just !!! wink
              2. Intruder
                Intruder 9 March 2021 22: 49
                +1
                well, this is all already there in a modern car
                Of course, this is in the "modern car", but I wrote a response to your comment that from the car of the 1950s, if you really want a modern internal, with blackjack and so on, you can make a custom for yourself and your needs! winked
            2. Simargl
              Simargl 10 March 2021 11: 48
              0
              Quote: Intruder
              - belts are installed in a couple of hours, in good service ...;
              Belts just don't fit - you have to make changes to the rack.

              Quote: Intruder
              - a traumatic steering wheel, well, here the task with the steering column is more difficult,
              Here, rather, I: traumatic, and I would also add - thin (our braid is everything) and large diameter (without an amplifier), and the steering column is straight ...

              Quote: Intruder
              - the engine, there are many options for forcing and up to a certain power,
              What's the point? It will not consume less, especially on the highway. It will be cleaner and more dynamic, but no less voracious, and with a turbine - more.

              Quote: Intruder
              - brakes, also in the service you can replace ...
              Not just brakes, but ABS, ESP, etc. it's half a car to redesign ...

              And what will be left? Body?
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 10 March 2021 14: 10
                +1
                And what will be left? Body?
                Idea and exterior design fellow ... sometimes people have enough of such a custom to start with ... winked !?
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 10 March 2021 14: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Intruder
                  Idea and external design ... sometimes people have enough of such a custom to start with ...!?
                  Actually, this is the answer to the "excuse"
                  Quote: Intruder
                  did you drive 1950s cars !? there is more comfort there than in modern cars, which is one front sofa and the distance between the front and rear seats for the passenger
                  A modern seat with lateral support is much more comfortable, unless there is a purpose to do sex in a car, especially when cornering.
                  Distance between front and back seats? The base of Vesta is 65 mm less, but the interior is about the same as the distances. Cross-versions have more clearance. Vesta's own design, although made by a foreigner, and Gaz-21? So that...
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 10 March 2021 16: 35
                    0
                    unless there is a goal to do sekes in a car, this is especially noticeable in corners.
                    first, during the second ...!? laughing belay (dangerous, somehow ...)!
                    Modern seat with lateral support is much more comfortable
                    with measured (calm) driving without acceleration, even for a long time .., here, rather, for an amateur and like someone with a back and its muscles in a sitting position ...
                    Cross-versions have more clearance
                    we did not talk about cross-overs, from the word at all ... only paved roads and urban driving style, drift and extreme styles, we put it outside the brackets ...
              2. Intruder
                Intruder 10 March 2021 14: 18
                0
                Here, rather, I: traumatic, and I would also add - thin (our braid is everything) and large diameter (without an amplifier), and the steering column is straight ...
                The diameter changes and the thickness too, the steering column is placed on a hinge, an electric booster or a hydraulic drive, then if the master is normal, or the author himself likes to tinker with the car and the budget does not bite, it can also be solved in a week as much as possible ... more delivery of glands to wait, now !!!
                What's the point? It will not consume less, especially on the highway. It will be cleaner and more dynamic, but no less voracious, and with a turbine - more.
                a turbine is sometimes an option and is not necessary, if the fuel costs bite in the pocket, you can also do an aspirated engine with force, you just have to fiddle with the piston group and the crankshaft, plus install another carburetor ...
                ABS, ESP
                and why, so complicate, "cowards - invented: parachutes and brakes ..." laughing if the car is for a quiet ride, on normal roads, then the ABS, like the turbine, are already unnecessary options, only there are more problems with alteration and the price of the issue for custom is growing before our eyes ...!? request
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 10 March 2021 14: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Intruder
                  The diameter changes and the thickness too, the steering column is placed on a hinge, electric power or hydraulic drive
                  Those. is it a completely new assembly? The electric drive is much simpler, but you need to change the generator, and the hydro -... everything is quite sad there.

                  Quote: Intruder
                  the turbine is sometimes not an option
                  Immediately evident: "special"!
                  The turbine "virtually" increases its volume by pumping into cylinders bоLarger air volume than at normal pressure. Accordingly, more fuel is needed.

                  ... but we said that the GAZ-21, by modern standards, is not a comfortable car, and if remade, it will be modern in old clothes. Why, if the goal is convenience, and not so that people turn around?
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 10 March 2021 16: 47
                    0
                    The turbine "virtually" increases its volume, pumping a larger volume of air into the cylinders than at normal pressure
                    What, "virtually" !?laughing
                    Hmm ... young man, I can tell you for this .., you are a great "specialist" in turbochargers, especially in this area:
                    The principle of operation is based on the use of energy from exhaust gases. The flow of exhaust gases enters the turbine impeller (fixed on the shaft), thereby spinning it and the compressor blades on the same shaft with it, which injects air into the engine cylinders. Since when pressurization is used, air is supplied to the cylinders forcibly (under pressure), and not only due to the vacuum created by the piston (this vacuum can take only a certain amount of the air-fuel mixture), a larger amount of the air-fuel mixture enters the engine.
                    That is, it is not the turbine that pumps air into the cylinders, it is the power drive of the compressor, as can be seen ... from the principle of operation, just like in the HPT / turbojet engine and other gas turbine units ... wink Surprisingly, right !?

                    Accordingly, more fuel is needed.

                    and now about this message:
                    As a rule, turbo engines have less specific effective fuel consumption (grams per kilowatt-hour, g / (kW h)) and higher liter power (power taken from a unit of engine volume - kW / l), which makes it possible to increase the power of a small motor without increasing engine speed.
                    1. Simargl
                      Simargl 10 March 2021 18: 57
                      -1
                      Quote: Intruder
                      What, "virtually" !?
                      Like this: "virtually". I haven't even forgotten the quotes.
                      Quote: Intruder
                      You are the big "specialist" in turbochargers
                      What did I say wrong in my own words?

                      Quote: Intruder
                      That is, it is not the turbine that pumps air into the cylinders, it is the power drive of the compressor
                      Literacy. Let's think about piston injection systems. The goal is the same: to pump more air into the cylinder.

                      Quote: Intruder
                      and now about this message:
                      For those in a helmet: if you take a naturally aspirated engine and hang a pressurization system on it, then it will consume more fuel. By the way! The Germans with this, at one time, goofed.
                      1. Intruder
                        Intruder 10 March 2021 20: 50
                        0
                        Literacy. Let's think about piston injection systems. The goal is the same: to pump more air into the cylinder.
                        hmm, you don't understand the difference at all !? Between the purpose of the turbine and the compressor !? The turbine does not pump air - this is a compressor drive .., you can also put an electric motor, by the way ... or even from the power take-off shaft of the internal combustion engine itself ..., what does piston blowers have to do with it, we are talking about blade machines (blade machine, in which there is a transformation of kinetic energy and / or internal energy of the working fluid (steam, gas, water) into mechanical work on the shaft. The jet of the working fluid acts on the blades, fixed around the circumference of the rotor, and sets them in motion.), And not on piston blades ....!? recourse
                        For those in a helmet: if you take a naturally aspirated engine and hang a pressurization system on it, then it will consume more fuel
                        for those who are going to pump air for the engine with a turbine, you can see it backwards ... laughing , why put a turbocharger on the originally designed atmospheric internal combustion engine, this is essentially wrong, although if for showing off in front of the girls in the area and the guys in the garage, then you can not think about fuel consumption at all !!! bully
                      2. Simargl
                        Simargl 11 March 2021 00: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Intruder
                        hmm, you don't understand the difference at all !? Between the purpose of the turbine and the compressor !?
                        Do you know how to read? I replaced the word compressor with a supercharger.
                        Quote: Intruder
                        what does piston blowers have to do with it
                        Despite the fact that the common people omit the subtleties and call it all a "turbine", and not a turbocharger, compressor, turbocharger, etc.
                        If you want to show off your knowledge - go to the profile forum, make people laugh.

                        Quote: Intruder
                        for those who are going to pump air for the engine with a turbine, you can see it backwards ...
                        We read carefully, we do not find the word there turbinebut we find the word pressurization, scratching "turnips".

                        Quote: Intruder
                        why on the originally designed already atmospheric internal combustion engine
                        I have no idea, but this is how they do it. However, this is your suggestion:
                        Quote: Intruder
                        - the engine, there are many options for forcing and up to a certain power, with a controller and turbocharger even;
                      3. Intruder
                        Intruder 11 March 2021 00: 25
                        0
                        The turbine "virtually" increases its volume by pumping more air volume than at normal pressure. Accordingly, more fuel is needed.
                        underlined, your words !? Or did not you write above ??? wink
                        Despite the fact that the common people omit the subtleties and call it all a "turbine"
                        there are always more ignoramuses than smart people !!! They confuse the applicability of different things, they usually go through life ... and go on, with such a baggage of knowledge!
                        A turbocharger is a synonym for a turbocharger, but not an engine turbocharging system, it is a separate unit or block ... winked in the pressurization system!
                      4. Simargl
                        Simargl 11 March 2021 03: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Intruder
                        crossed out, your words !? Or did not you write above ???
                        In the next answer, I apologized (almost) and corrected. Why procrastinate?

                        Quote: Intruder
                        but not the turbocharging system of the engine, it is a separate unit or block ...
                        Turbocharging is a method, not a system. I didn't use that word!
            3. Intruder
              Intruder 10 March 2021 16: 50
              0
              Why, if the goal is convenience
              then ...., the auditorium fell silent:
              "pants turn" ...:
              if remade, it will be modern in old clothes.
              you yourself and answered, with your phrase ... Curtain !!! fellow
  • Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 9 March 2021 13: 08
    +2
    TT was removed from service not because of a good life. Its design flaws were considered unacceptable. In the same way as the PM is now obsolete in a number of parameters.
  • bunta
    bunta 9 March 2021 12: 05
    +1
    In 2019, the Rosgvardia announced that they were considering the Lebedev pistol as a replacement for the Makarov PM pistol.

    That is, the PYa remains.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 9 March 2021 12: 29
    +3
    A very convenient and ergonomic pistol, I held it in my hands at Army 2018, it would have been possible to buy firearms in the Russian Federation like I would take a submarine in the USA, the only thing that bothers me is our security officials have a ragtag with pistols, there used to be one PM and everything is clear, now you can't remember all the names of new pistols and cartridges for them at once, but what will happen in a special period? Hell for logistics?
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 9 March 2021 13: 04
      +1
      So after all, the standard 9X19 Para. In any hole you can buy ammunition for it.
    2. vl903
      vl903 9 March 2021 13: 12
      0
      during a special period on the first line there will be something more and more cartridges for something. the rest will go to the rear or where the consumption of cartridges is small. so it was in all wars.
  • senima56
    senima56 9 March 2021 13: 10
    +3
    In 2020, the Udav pistol (9x21) was put into service. For 2021, the Army has ordered as many as 50 (fifty) pieces !!!! negative Hmm ... fool So, until I see the submarine in the holsters of active officers, all this, excuse me, is "verbal diarrhea"!
    1. senima56
      senima56 9 March 2021 13: 24
      +1
      Why is it forbidden? Because my opinion often does not coincide with the opinion of the site administration? Amazing "democracy" you have!
  • Intruder
    Intruder 9 March 2021 16: 17
    0
    option for performing special tasks with the ability to install a device to reduce the sound of firing
    I hope this PBS is for use indoors and in dense urban areas, otherwise Hitman (ohm) smells like something !? laughing wink
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 9 March 2021 19: 36
    0
    Quote: ROSS 42
    In our time, a private SA and a private explosive received 3, 70.

    Urgent service and depending on the position. I at one time 21 p. received already in the RA. Then what?
  • vl903
    vl903 9 March 2021 21: 48
    +1
    Another aspect is that if you want to preserve the design and technological school, you have to constantly pay for the development of new models and the release of, if not large, but regular batches. otherwise, the next generation of technology will buy in China. From this point of view, the adoption of two models of the boa constrictor and the pl is very reasonable. and what would not have been the cut of the budget, prosecutors and FSB should not yawn. although what can they? - execution for machinations with a military order was canceled - we have humanism towards thieves.
  • rjpthju
    rjpthju 10 March 2021 18: 31
    0
    And why does the National Guard need a silent firing device? In serious cases, the special forces of the FSB, GRU are involved. Why should they? Silently "disperse" the demonstrators?
    1. vl903
      vl903 10 March 2021 18: 41
      0
      and in Chechnya, Dagestan, who was cut? all centuries, and riot police, and of course army men and FSB