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Date of transfer of the first serial "Ash" of the modernized project to the fleet

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Date of transfer of the first serial "Ash" of the modernized project to the fleet

The first serial multipurpose nuclear submarine of project 885M ("Yasen-M") "Novosibirsk" fleet until the end of 2021.


It is reported TASS citing a source in the PKK.

According to the source, the submarine will have to go through a series of tests, including the launch of Onyx and Caliber missiles, after which a decision will be made to transfer the submarine to the customer.

The nuclear submarine will be handed over to the fleet in the fourth quarter of 2021. Prior to this, "Novosibirsk" must complete the factory sea trials and pass the state

- he said.

Thus, given that the lead submarine of this project "Kazan" is fully ready for transfer to the fleet, the Navy will receive two modernized "Yasenya-M" this year.

The nuclear submarine K-573 "Novosibirsk" is the second in the series and the first serial submarine of the Yasen-M project. Laid down at Sevmash on July 26, 2013, launched on December 25, 2019.

Compared to Project 885 Ash, the new submarine received many improvements and new systems not previously used on submarines. Submarines of the Ash-M project have a displacement of 13800 tons, a depth of immersion of 520 meters, a crew of 64 people, autonomy of 100 days, an underwater speed of 31 knots. They are armed with mines, torpedoes of 533 mm, Caliber and Onyx cruise missiles, and in the future hypersonic Zircon missiles.
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  1. cost 75
    cost 75 9 March 2021 08: 07
    +11
    That's when they will transfer it then and we will rejoice, otherwise Kazan has been transferred to the composition for several years in a row
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 9 March 2021 14: 19
      +2
      Quote: kos 75
      That’s when they’ll pass it on and then we’ll rejoice, otherwise Kazan has been broadcast for several years in a row part
      it's like Leskov's, about the "INDIVIDUAL RUBLE" ... !!!
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      If you are completely ready, why has the transfer been postponed to May ?!
  2. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 9 March 2021 08: 09
    +7
    Thus, given that the lead submarine of this project "Kazan" is fully ready for transfer to the fleet
    If you are completely ready, why has the transfer been postponed to May ?!
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 08: 35
      0
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      If you are completely ready, why has the transfer been postponed to May ?!

      What May? May - it was at the beginning of March, now they are writing - 4th quarter.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 9 March 2021 09: 07
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        What May? May - it was at the beginning of March, now they are writing - 4th quarter.

        And someone is in a hurry somewhere?
        The information provided is very likely an indirect confirmation of the information that the delay in launching the boat for a year and a half is due to the conversion for the use of hypersonic weapons (Zircon missiles), which did not yet exist at the time of the construction of the nuclear submarine.

        It has now become important for us that the NEW equipment does not fall, explode, drown, catch fire ...
        The Premier League is not a toy.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 09: 12
          +4
          Quote: ROSS 42
          The information given is very likely an indirect confirmation of the information that the delay in launching the boat into the water for a year and a half is associated with the conversion for the use of hypersonic weapons.

          This is bullshit. The parameters of the same "Zircon" were known to designers many years ago. Very often, ships are created for weapons that do not yet exist, so weapons designers use planned characteristics. This is a common practice.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 9 March 2021 09: 14
            +5
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            This is bullshit.

            This is not nonsense, but a quote from the description of the project. You behave more correctly, otherwise you act here as a beach director.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 09: 18
              0
              Quote: ROSS 42
              This is not nonsense, but a quote from the project description

              On wikipedia? I don't see this quote anywhere else.
              Quote: ROSS 42
              You behave more correctly, otherwise you act here as the director of the beach.

              I behave absolutely correctly. If someone writes bullshit, I say that it is bullshit.
              1. frog
                frog 9 March 2021 15: 43
                +1
                Well, other representatives of Equidae are also possible .... You have repeatedly come across this, colleague, aut bene, aut nihil. They don't know and don't want to know that there have always been problems with any new launch. As well as the fact that in the same blessed fleet they shoved ships without air defense systems and radars, relatives ... IChSKh, this is not only here ... But ...
                if the respective ...... entities carry this same nonsense, then they believe him. Or pretend to believe wink ... According to the account from Hamburg, all these useless and irresponsible talkers should be knocking on a pumpkin, and not "believers in miracles", but that is .... We are nowhere without Derzhavin-Kozlovsky's product ...
      2. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 9 March 2021 09: 18
        +6
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        If you are completely ready, why has the transfer been postponed to May ?!

        What May? May - it was at the beginning of March, now they are writing - 4th quarter.

        The fourth quarter is the transfer of Novosibirsk, and Kazan should be transferred to the Navy in May.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 09: 59
          +2
          Yes, thanks, I misinterpreted the news from another portal
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 9 March 2021 09: 35
        +6
        This is not written about Kazan, but about Novosibirsk, relative to the fourth quarter.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 09: 59
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          This is not written about Kazan, but about Novosibirsk, relative to the fourth quarter.

          Checked myself
          The head of the USC Alexei Rakhmanov confirmed his intentions to hand over the Kazan multipurpose nuclear submarine of project 885M (code Yasen-M) to the fleet by the end of winter 2021.

          You're right. For some reason I read this news as the end of 2021 repeat
      4. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 9 March 2021 09: 47
        +1
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        What May? May - it was at the beginning of March, now they are writing - 4th quarter.

        Well, you have already been answered above. hi "Kazan" until May-June, news from March 3 https://topwar.ru/180507-sroki-peredachi-flotu-golovnogo-jasenja-m-pereneseny.html
      5. Piramidon
        Piramidon 9 March 2021 10: 34
        +2
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        What May? May - it was at the beginning of March, now they are writing - 4th quarter.

        Re-read the article again. May is about Kazan. 4th quarter - this is about "Novosibirsk". hi
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 11: 43
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          Re-read the article again.

          Re-read my comment again Andrey from Chelyabinsk (Andrey)
          Today, 09: 59
      6. bayard
        bayard 10 March 2021 01: 49
        0
        "Kazan" is to be broadcast in May, and the article is about the first serial - "Novosibirsk". Two "Ash-M" are due to pass this year.
        Although both have promised in the past.
  3. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 9 March 2021 08: 09
    +2
    And what are the goals and objectives of such a ship in the fleet?
    Someone can explain a little to a teapot?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 08: 41
      +2
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And what are the goals and objectives of such a ship in the fleet?

      Universal nuclear submarine. In theory, it can do anything - to fight the enemy's atomarins, to launch missile strikes on enemy ship groups up to and including the AUS, or to hammer the coast with cruise missiles.
      In practice, the large size, weakness of torpedo armament and PTZ and a lower low-noise speed (a propeller instead of a water cannon) will significantly complicate the fight against modern enemy nuclear submarines, and for the use of missiles at maximum range, the fleet does not have a marine reconnaissance and target designation system.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 9 March 2021 09: 03
        -3
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        for the use of missiles at maximum range, the fleet does not have a naval reconnaissance and target designation system.

        Those. do you not admit that "Liana" will soon earn for the good of the Motherland?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 09: 12
          0
          Quote: Serg65
          Those. do you not admit that "Liana" will soon earn for the good of the Motherland?

          She already works, and this is absolutely not enough.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 9 March 2021 09: 30
            0
            Well, if such a dance has gone ... Andrey, I would like to hear your opinion about the Sura radio complex ..... as far as I know, the American HAARP is used both for communication with the nuclear submarine, and in the target designation mode ... Sura is capable of this ...what do you think?
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 09: 34
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              Andrey, I would like to hear your opinion about the Sura radio complex ..... as far as I know, the American HAARP is used both for communication with the nuclear submarine and in the target designation mode ..

              As far as I know, haarp can serve as a source for communication with submarines, but that's like it. Ultra-long radio waves are not designed to carry complex messages. In any case, we can only talk about the transfer of information to the submarine, which was received from other sources.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 9 March 2021 10: 16
                +1
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                haarp can serve as a source for communication with submarines

                Haarp essentially makes the ionosphere a large antenna (repeater) and is not, by and large, a transmitter. "Huge antenna" at an altitude of 100-120 km allows you to amplify the signal of the transmitter and receive the signal without rising close to the surface.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 10: 25
                  -1
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Haarp essentially makes the ionosphere a large antenna (repeater) and is not, by and large, a transmitter. "Huge antenna" at an altitude of 100-120 km allows you to amplify the signal of the transmitter and receive the signal without rising close to the surface.

                  Maybe. But what does all this have to do with CU?
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 9 March 2021 12: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    what does all this have to do with control center?

                    There was such an airborne radar station Chernobyl-2, in the West it is better known as the "Russian Woodpecker" ... in fact, the radar station "Duga" was the prototype of Haarp and our Sura. So this Duga, in the process of modernization, learned to recognize not only a single rocket launch for 7000 km, but also watched the take-off and landing of carrier-based aircraft over 3000 km ...
                    I have recently been tormented by the question, what is the Mikhail Lomonosov NPP doing in Pevek?
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 13: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Serg65
                      So this Duga, in the process of modernization, learned to recognize not only a single rocket launch for 7000 km, but also watched the take-off and landing of carrier-based aircraft over 3000 km ...

                      Let's admit. And what's the point of this? There was no control center, and it is not.
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 9 March 2021 13: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        And what's the point of this?

                        Who knows Andrey, who knows ... the chicken was the same when it was an egg ...
                    2. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A 9 March 2021 19: 20
                      -1
                      Quote: Serg65

                      I have recently been tormented by the question, what is the Mikhail Lomonosov NPP doing in Pevek?


                      Study the heat supply system in this region.
                      Study normally.
                      With the number of power plants and diesel boilers ...
                      With the amount of consumption and the cost of diesel delivery ...
                      With the coefficient of actual consumption ...
                      With a percentage of transmission loss ...

                      Then all thoughts "about mystery" will disintegrate like fog under the sun ... And inner torment will cease to be your essence ..
                      And you will understand that for your dream you need 4-5 more such floating nuclear power plants ...
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 10 March 2021 12: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        Study the heat supply system in this region.
                        Study normally.
                        With the number of power plants and diesel boilers ...
                        With the amount of consumption and the cost of diesel delivery ...
                        With the coefficient of actual consumption ...
                        With a percentage of transmission loss ...

                        And how much will this nuclear power plant pay off?
        2. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 9 March 2021 11: 22
          +2
          Satellites do not provide target designation, only detection. For the control center, you need to maintain contact with the target, but how will 4 satellites do this, each of which flies over a specific point once a day? That is, the interval between flights of all satellites from Liana is 6 hours. How long will the ship pass during this time? And where, and at what speed? And we have A-50 AWACS planes - you can count on your fingers.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 9 March 2021 12: 05
            +1
            Quote: Artyom Karagodin
            For the control center, you need to maintain contact with the target, and how it will be done 4 satellites, each of which flies over a specific point once a day?

            Are you sure that there are still four of these satellites at the moment? since 2017, all infa on them is classified ...
            1. Podvodnik
              Podvodnik 9 March 2021 19: 23
              +1
              Are you sure that there are still four of these satellites at the moment?


              Indeed: "For the control center it is necessary to maintain contact with the target"
              Both the elements of movement and the coordinates of the target for transmission as a control center need to be known in real time. No other way. Obsolete quickly. And the data for the weapon must be calculated and entered before firing. And communication with our submarine is not conducted "live". Do not accept CU under water. You need to pop up for a communication session. They are regulated. The very organization of these sessions, the schedule and methods of transmitting combat control signals to submarines is a state secret. It will not work to discuss.
            2. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 9 March 2021 19: 32
              -1
              Quote: Serg65
              Quote: Artyom Karagodin
              For the control center, you need to maintain contact with the target, and how it will be done 4 satellites, each of which flies over a specific point once a day?

              Are you sure that there are still four of these satellites at the moment? since 2017, all infa on them is classified ...


              There is nothing classified in space.
              Any satellite is controlled by thousands of specialists.
              From altitude, flight path, type of emitted signal (not necessarily active search, but also the principles of radio exchange), mass and size, etc.
              And you need to understand that in the modern world, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, flies like a duck, looks like a duck - then this is a duck ...

              The secret can only be for those who "believe in secrecy" - and are not an expert in the field.

              There are practically no secrets for specialists and at the same time non-believers.
      2. Bas_Bas
        Bas_Bas 9 March 2021 09: 26
        +2
        The description is very similar to a large battle ax without a handle. The weapon is formidable, but ineffective.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 09: 40
          +1
          Quote: Bas_Bas
          The weapon is formidable, but ineffective.

          How is it? Provided that normal torpedoes are provided and their use is normally prepared (ice shooting, etc.), good means of active and passive anti-tank protection (everything that KLimov writes about) will become a big thorn in the American MPS, even the most quiet ones. But low-noise speed will still be missed. That is, the ship is not that bad, but it is not optimal for fighting enemy submarines. As a submarine missile carrier, it is good, the inability of the fleet to give it a normal command control is not a consequence of the design flaws of the ship itself.
        2. Nestor Vlakhovski
          Nestor Vlakhovski 9 March 2021 09: 51
          0
          Depending on what to compare with, regarding rocket scows, mega-cruisers and other analogs, "ash" is not so bad. It was built with an eye on the Los Angeles, despite the diametrically opposed tasks and capabilities of the Russian and American fleets.
          It could have been better done, it was possible to prescribe a more sane terms of reference, it was possible for the fleet to finally decide on feasible tasks, but even in its current form, the "ash" looks like a combat unit, and not just another miracle of the gloomy genius of domestic shipbuilding.
      3. Alien From
        Alien From 9 March 2021 16: 40
        0
        Sadly, you are right.
    2. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 9 March 2021 09: 42
      0
      what are the goals and objectives of such a ship in the fleet?
      These submarines were conceived as the "far hand" of the fleet for operations near distant shores, with some chance to hamper the activities of the enemy fleet and the ability to launch 50 cruise missiles.
    3. PROXOR
      PROXOR 9 March 2021 10: 29
      -1
      IF in short. Cover for STRATEGIES Boreas.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 9 March 2021 11: 35
        +7
        Not. This is just an attempt to make Pike and Antey in the same building. In order to ensure the withdrawal of SSBNs with a breakthrough of the curtain from enemy submarines, and then go chase the AUGs.

        However, a tiny problem came out. The economy will not be able to pull out many such boats. Building such boats quickly, and not even quickly, but at least somehow adequately, also does not work out. Well, there is not enough money for ship repair either. The same Bratsk and Samara have been waiting in line since 2014.

        As a result, there are 1-12 potential underwater opponents per 15 live SSNS of the Pacific Fleet, and this is without the Japanese.

        And in the end, purely according to Virginia, Sun 885 - will be 3,5 to 1. Again, without any Astudes, residual Elks and local allies.
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 9 March 2021 14: 32
        +1
        Quote: PROXOR
        IF in short. Cover for STRATEGIES Boreas.
        with screw ? !! they are quieter than "Borea-A", on a water cannon ? !! what looks not entirely logical ... request
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 14: 40
          +1
          Quote: Vl Nemchinov
          with a screw? !! are they quieter than "Borea-A", on a water cannon? !!

          In certain modes (at low speeds) - they are quite equal in terms of noise. And you shouldn't understand escorting as a cover.
  4. Nazar
    Nazar 9 March 2021 08: 11
    +2
    Last year the promise was the same, but the result is known. It is highly undesirable to repeat this story, again the year begins with intentions - "will enter the fleet" - and you already want to read "entered the fleet" winked
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 08: 58
      +14
      So far, only one thing pleases - among the sailors there was someone of principle who does not accept a ship with imperfections, but demands their elimination
      1. Klonser
        Klonser 9 March 2021 09: 14
        +5
        There are too many imperfections. None of the sailors wants to take responsibility. Suddenly what is wrong, then who signed the last one. And I hope they will pass Novosibirsk faster. Spare parts will only be rearranged from the next order.
      2. Artyom Karagodin
        Artyom Karagodin 9 March 2021 11: 26
        0
        Yes, it really pleases. The only pity is that "Physicists" will not be on Yasen. As far as I know, these are good torpedoes that meet modern requirements. And without them you can't do much. USET was relevant about 50 years ago, if not earlier.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 11: 42
          +1
          Quote: Artyom Karagodin
          The only pity is that "Physicists" will not be on Yasen.

          Why?
          1. Artyom Karagodin
            Artyom Karagodin 9 March 2021 12: 00
            0
            As far as can be judged from the publications on VO, the kit includes old, electric torpedoes. However, I am not a source, but a consumer of information. I could be wrong.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 12: 20
              +1
              Quote: Artyom Karagodin
              As far as can be judged from the publications on "VO", the kit includes old, electric torpedoes

              This means that physicists are not on our ships now, but who knows what will happen later?
              1. Artyom Karagodin
                Artyom Karagodin 9 March 2021 12: 37
                0
                And, well, if from this point of view, then yes, it would be more likely. The only question is, why not do it right from the very beginning? However, with Ash, this is not only about torpedoes.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 March 2021 13: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                  The only question is, why not do it right from the very beginning?

                  There were probably no physicists ...
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                  2. Alex777
                    Alex777 9 March 2021 14: 35
                    +2
                    I heard out of my ear that the Physicist would not go into production.
                    Allegedly, the case is immediately planned for ships.
  5. Tests
    Tests 9 March 2021 22: 03
    0
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk (Andrei), dear, they may call me an earthworm, they will probably write in the comments that I know nothing, I have no Soviet education, I drag conspiracy theories to the site, that I am a student of Fomenko, etc. , etc. On the site I read similar statements about myself in the comments many times. But white-sided magpies crack after frosts for -30:
    Several years ago, not the stupidest senior officer in Severodvinsk - the head of the WRC department for the Belomorsk naval base, over a glass of tea said to his subordinates: “In the seas on trials on the orders of SEVMASH, flaws and imperfections are crawling out. on Shakespeare, excuse me, on the Order of the Red Star 1059, the military representation of the Russian Ministry of Defense? " The guys, choking on hot tea, exchanged glances and went to write plans. After some time, the plans had to be implemented. Fortunately, at this time a military prosecutor appeared in Severodvinsk, whose crown was in size. After reading the materials that the counterintelligence officers brought him, he nodded: "I see the corpus delicti - open a case." The rest, having scratched their different places, came to the same conclusion: it is sweet to serve in Severodvinsk - the benefits of the Far North, the trees are large, the houses are warm, comfortable, the kindergartens and schools are very decent, the beloved work is highly paid with long vacations, the Internet is fast, the train to Moscow goes directly from the city, you can get to the airport in Arkhangelsk in 100 minutes - it's better to serve than to polish the dock with trousers. After that, the practice of the Soviet era, when the master came to the office of the military representative on Thursday with a notebook, came to naught. In that notebook there were notes: "On the order of ABC, in the compartment WHERE, in the room EYUA on shield 123, cable 890 is weakly fixed." 14 hours from the factory. For whom the dacha was waiting, for whom the flounder and whitefish, for whom the passing geese. And who are the garages behind the DOF (House of Navy Officers). Andrey, the garages behind the DOF are the same legend in Severodvinsk, like in the 50s the restaurant at Edelman's, as in the 60s - the Volna restaurant, from the 70s the White Nights restaurant ... On Monday the master after lunch brought a notebook to the military representative, where it was indicated that the remarks identified by the military representative of the full name were eliminated ... Whether it was so, or a little bit wrong, I can’t say for sure, the magpies are cracking, which is exactly the case. And about "Boreas", and about "Ash". Maybe they're lying, white-sided ...
    Considering that during the years of EBN's rule, the reindeer almost ate the barracks on Chizhe, and scientists did not leave all of the Russian Federation, not all workers with bright little heads and golden hands in the Russian Federation drank themselves or rushed to car services in garages, the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation did not come to Severodvinsk in vain the other day. The second wave of coronavirus seems to be declining in the city. We will wait for new tests ...