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The United States worried about the space capabilities of Russia and China

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The United States worried about the space capabilities of Russia and China

The capabilities of Russia and China in space are of concern to the United States. This was stated by the commander of the US Space Force, General John Raymond, in an interview with The New York Times.


When asked by reporters, Raymond said Russia and China have many opportunities that deeply worry the United States. Among the listed "threats" the general noted "various laser systems", as well as satellites capable of destroying US spacecraft.

The threat we see today is very strong. (...) Think of lasers that can blind or disrupt our systems. Both China and Russia have several ground-based laser systems of varying power (...)

- he said.

Talking about other "threats", Raymond, as an example, cited a Russian satellite, which he compared with a matryoshka, without giving any additional information about it. According to him, Washington knows for sure that it is intended to attack American spacecraft in low-earth orbit.

China, which also possesses satellites that threaten American capabilities in orbit, did not bypass the general, announcing a satellite with a "robotic arm."

The general stressed that the US space capabilities are at the heart of national defense, and opponents in the person of Russia and China know this and are making every possible effort to "deny Americans access to outer space."
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 March 2021 07: 18
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    Rogozin will mark on social networks with another meme addressed to Raymond and the United States. ...
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 9 March 2021 07: 22
      +9
      Quote: Thrifty
      Rogozin will be noted in social networks

      Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to glow with not very smart thoughts.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 9 March 2021 07: 27
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        Hagen - and no one pulls you by the tongue, keep quiet, who is against it? ??
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 9 March 2021 14: 20
          +3
          Quote: Thrifty
          Hagen - and no one pulls you by the tongue, keep quiet, who is against it? ??

          If Rogozin had not offered the trampoline to Mask, they would not have offered him the same trampoline in different interpretations. And how I am silent is not your concern. I am not a public-state person. The way I write here, the face of a state corporation does not suffer. Rogozin's case is somewhat different.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 9 March 2021 09: 59
        +2
        Quote: Hagen
        Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to glow with not very smart thoughts.
        To see the topic about Space and not to shoot something in Rogozin? And what to live on?
        1. mole
          mole 9 March 2021 10: 44
          +3
          Quote: sniperino
          To see the topic about Space and not to shoot something in Rogozin? And what to live on?

          Who is to blame for this, if not Rogozin himself? His statements and results? Or statements separately, result separately?
          Recently, this character has a lot of defenders.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 9 March 2021 11: 15
            +2
            Quote: Mole
            Recently, this character has a lot of defenders.
            Normal reaction to detractors without proof. Start watering Shoigu, and they will intercede for him. Astronautics in the Russian Federation under Rogozin is clearly more successful than in previous years, there is less stealing and fewer accidents.
            1. mole
              mole 10 March 2021 08: 28
              -4
              How much evidence you do not bring ... you - not enough.
              Let's leave it on your conscience about success and theft.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 10 March 2021 09: 06
                -2
                Quote: Mole
                Let's leave it on your conscience about success and theft
                People without conscience are always looking for someone's conscience in order to hang their sins and crimes on it, referring to the fake "evidence" existing in their imagination and on public information washes.
    2. Nasrat
      Nasrat 9 March 2021 09: 07
      -5
      Quote: Thrifty
      Rogozin will mark on social networks with another meme addressed to Raymond and the United States. ...

      The American knows what he is talking about ..

  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 March 2021 07: 20
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    Our opportunities in space do not coincide for a long time with the NECESSITY for the country in astronautics, therefore, the Yankees just joked unsuccessfully.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 9 March 2021 08: 10
      -2
      Quote: Thrifty
      Our capabilities in space do not coincide for a long time with the NECESSITY for the country in cosmonautics ...

      Our (Russian) capabilities do not coincide with the desire of the contingent appointed to the leadership of the industry ... Probably, the appointer himself ...
      Compare:
      1980 - 89 launches
      *****
      1990 - 79 launches
      1991 - 61 launches (for comparison: USA - 19)
      1992 - 47 launches (US - 29)
      *****
      2000 - 32 launches
      2001 - 19 launches
      2002 - 25 launches
      2003 - 21 launches
      2004 - 18 launches
      *****
      2014 - 36 launches
      2015 - 26 launches
      2016 - 17 launches
      2017 - 17 launches
      2018 - 17 launches
      2019 - 21 launches
      2020 - 17 launches

      For the curious analyst here:
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_космических_запусков_в_2020_году
      Data for each year at the end ...
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 9 March 2021 09: 06
        -3
        The number of launches is a really serious argument for determining the parameter of WHO in fact is the master of space - you can operate with this parameter from the sofa.
        In fact, another parameter is really important: HOW MANY US satellites perform their function in orbit.
        And as soon as it becomes known to the media that this function suddenly, as a result of the orbital activity of satellites - "inspectors" of Russia and China, began to noticeably decrease, then another portion of sanctions will be taken against Russia - and Russia will immediately fall into a coma! laughing laughing yes
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 10 March 2021 06: 04
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          Oh, how the liberoids do not like the prospect that their hegemon can suddenly lose all masculine strength in a month or two, engaging in peeping and eavesdropping from orbit, but minus the last bit of strength, as if they will now be thrown off their contentment! laughing
      2. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 9 March 2021 10: 32
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        For the curious


        By this logic, a comrade with diarrhea is much more successful than the one with everything in order with digestion.

        Let's see how many scientific vehicles have been launched by the USA and the Russian Federation

        How many spacecraft have been launched to asteroids in order to establish the composition and the possibility of using them as a resource base?
        Who investigated the spectral composition of lunar fossil deposits and chooses a strategy for the development of the lunar resources?
        Who is already flying new manned ships, and who is redesigning them for the third time in 12 years (aka PPTS, aka PTK NP, aka Federation, aka Eagle).
        We make good plans, but badly implement real projects.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 9 March 2021 11: 09
          +9
          But there are no sensible plans either. Some projectors, for which the loot is quickly mastered.
          Here's the latest news: a new look for the Russian convolution has been defined. How! Finally, we were honored. Determined the appearance.
          Now, it turns out, the KRK STK will be equipped with the RD-182 and RD-0169 engines. Which are not yet available, but this is, of course, trifles. On the other hand, methane already rules, and the KKK will definitely be made by 2028 according to Putin's decree.
          In this case, therefore, RD-171 and RD 180 are put into the trash can. As well as all the developments on them for superheavy. But the money for this monkey labor has already been mastered. Not life in RK, but lafa.
          1. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 9 March 2021 12: 21
            +1
            Quote: Cosm22
            Now, it turns out, the KRK STK will be equipped with the RD-182 and RD-0169 engines. Which are not yet available, but this is, of course, trifles. On the other hand, methane already rules, and the KKK will definitely be made by 2028 according to Putin's decree.
            In this case, therefore, RD-171 and RD 180 are put into the trash can. As well as all the developments on them for superheavy. But the money for this monkey labor has already been mastered. Not life in RK, but lafa.


            I fully support.
            This idiot drags on with H1, when they wrote off 4 billion rubles spent on the development of the launch vehicle, the MIC building, the plant on the test site (not transportable) and 2 launches (one of which was restored after the accident and the second H1 fell on it).
            Engines N1 starting from NK-15 (11D51) and its modifications for the upper stages NK-15V (11D52), NK-19 (11D53) NK-21 (11D59) and their reusable modifications for N1 NK-33 (11D111), NK-43 (11D112), NK-39 (11D113), NK-31 (11D114) - into the furnace.
            But these are engines that are record-breaking in terms of service life (some copies of the NK-33 operated in total up to 14 thousand seconds, long-term tests were carried out to failure. Life tests of the NK-33 - worked 16 starts without removing from the stand, worked 15 thousand seconds)
            This is just trying to replicate Musk with his 172 tf thrust Raptors. (200 bar in the CS, thrust of 1 kN, passed 000 bench firing tests with a total operating time of 42 seconds. The longest test lasted 1200 seconds).

            Then the development of Energy - 2 starts and in the urn. And now her engines go there too ...

            What we have is not effectively used.
            1. slipped
              slipped 9 March 2021 14: 15
              -2
              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              some copies of the NK-33


              NK-33 - production stopped long ago. There are about a dozen engines left, which are effectively used in the Soyuz-2.1v carrier rocket until they are fully used up. After these engines run out, the rocket will be transferred to the RD-193.

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              Then the development of Energy - 2 starts and in the urn. And now her engines go there too ...


              Do not lie. Only a few days ago, successful firing tests of the RD-171MV engine for the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle took place. This launch vehicle is being created for the Baiterek complex and its first launch will take place in 2023.
        2. slipped
          slipped 9 March 2021 14: 01
          -3
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          Let's see how many scientific vehicles have been launched by the USA and the Russian Federation


          Come on, where is Russia? laughing

          In the picture you have only foreign devices. You posted the picture from 2010 to 2030, right? Well, we will not look so far, I will just list what has already been launched or is being worked on for the current FKP:

          2011 - Astrophysical Observatory "Spectrum-R"
          2013 - biological satellite Bion-M No. 1
          2014 - scientific and technological satellite Foton-M No. 4
          2016 - the first part of the ExoMars project
          2016 - scientific satellite "Lomonosov"
          2019 - Spectrum-RG astrophysical observatory
          2021 - multipurpose module "Science"
          2021 - Ionosphere space system
          2021 - AMS "Luna-25"
          2022 - the second part of the ExoMars project.
          2023 - biological satellite "Bion-M" No. 2
          2024 - AMS "Luna-26"
          2024 - scientific and energy module.
          2025 - AMS "Luna-27"
          2025 - Spectrum-UV Astrophysical Observatory

          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          How many spacecraft have been launched to asteroids in order to establish the composition and the possibility of using them as a resource base?


          In the current federal space program, there are no asteroid probes.

          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          Who investigated the spectral composition of lunar fossil deposits and chooses a strategy for the development of the lunar resources?


          A Russian LAND neutron detector was installed on the American LRO spacecraft under the Russian lunar research program, with the help of which a map of the location of the lunar ice was built. Our AMS will fly to the place of the greatest concentration of ice starting from this year.

          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          Who is already flying new manned ships, and who is redesigning them for the third time in 12 years (aka PPTS, aka PTK NP, aka Federation, aka Eagle).


          Those ships that fly repeat our "Soyuz MS" in their capabilities. PTK NP "Eagle" for deep space. Its counterpart is the Orion spacecraft, which has not yet flown anywhere in full form.

          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          We make good plans, but badly implement real projects.


          Here the keywords are - projects are being implemented, but it's not up to you to judge whether it is bad or good.
          1. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 10 March 2021 10: 25
            -1
            Quote: slipped
            and good or bad - not for you to judge.


            Why did you suddenly decide that you can tell me what to judge or not judge?
            Am I paying taxes to the wrong country?

            The fact that I am not currently working in the RCT industry does not mean that I do not care.

            From the moment the shameful shopkeepers "leaked" Phobos-Grunt - having mastered the money, putting Chinese boards instead of American ones (due to poverty or out of economy) - there were many opinions in the industry about what and how they did to throw this "long-term construction" into orbit, " and there the grass does not grow "and it does not get better.
            Yes - some units are being installed, but on the whole the shopkeepers make only the hull, there is a hopeless lag in the on-board computer. In terms of antenna survivability, there is a lag, which is why our satellites have a half or three times less resource.

            2011 - Astrophysical Observatory "Spectrum-R" - an interesting project, a high orbit, unfortunately, the same problem of Russian carbon-fiber reinforced plastics - cracking of antenna frames for 5 years (from this warranty period) - worked well, there are no questions - lasted until 19 years.
            2013 - biological satellite Bion-M No. 1 - flight duration 30 days in low orbit - in fact a controlled capacity - nothing special or complicated.
            2014 - scientific and technological satellite Foton-M No. 4 - no more progressive than Bion-M in terms of capabilities
            2016 - the first part of the ExoMars project (development of the ESA rover, participation of Roscosmos - only a 50-year-old "cart" for overclocking (mission failed) - it is doubtful that it was worth mentioning this fact - the result is zero. We will see the second attempt.

            2016 - scientific satellite "Lomonosov" - the estimated period did not fly off (only 2 years)

            2019 - Spectrum-RG astrophysical observatory - yes - in half with the Germans - I was waiting for this launch, and even the shopkeepers gathered on their platform - but since the Germans are not under sanctions and could buy reliable American electronics, the shopkeepers' hardware will work for 5-8 years.
            It is difficult to compare with the X-ray telescope Spektr-RG with the optical James Webb Space Telescope, for different purposes. But in terms of mass, less than half, in terms of capabilities - a 6,5 meter mirror made of beryllium alloy is not comparable at all - this is something.
            2021 - multipurpose module "Science" - this shameful long-term construction from the backlog of 1995-98 ... which has been fighting with shavings in tanks and pipelines for 8 years ... it's better not to mention
            2021 - AMS "Luna-25" in comparison with the Chinese lunar rover is not a breakthrough ...
            We'll see the rest.

            From this list, how many interplanetary research vehicles - with a stretch of "moon 25 26 27" can be interplanetary - their contribution to research can be compared with a Mars rover? Of course not.
            At best, a geosynchronous telescope and several spacecraft into a circumlunar orbit, which in ballistics and power engineering is slightly more expensive than a geosynchronous orbit. The rest biosatellites on LEO are special cases - nothing particularly interesting or breakthrough.
            Where are the one and a half ton rovers? Where are the flights to Saturn, Jupiter. I no longer ask about Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Mercury, Venus.
            I'm not even saying that in the applied use of resource asteroids, they will be ahead.
            In terms of interplanetary research stations, the Russian Federation is more than 20 years behind the United States. From Japan, from the European cosmag ...
            Quote: slipped
            Those ships that fly repeat our "Soyuz MS"

            Well, this is some kind of your special opinion, which I do not share in any way - the Union to the internal volume is an outsider of flying ships.


            Of the promising ones, the PTK NP will be middling, taking into account the fact that they could not master the production of a carbon fiber hull, when the Americans refused to sell us a binder for carbon plastics (which does not crack under the conditions of outer space and a large number of SC / RR cycles)
            1. slipped
              slipped 10 March 2021 12: 41
              +1
              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              Am I paying taxes to the wrong country?


              I don't know which country you pay taxes to.

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              The fact that I am not currently working in the RCT industry does not mean that I do not care.


              Fired from Yuzhmash? lol

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              Since the shameful little shopkeepers "leaked" Phobos-Grunt - having mastered the money, putting Chinese boards instead of American


              Wrong. There were no "Chinese boards", the SU RB "FG" was not made by Lavochkinites.

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              Yes - some units are being installed, but on the whole the shopkeepers make only the hull, there is a hopeless lag in the on-board computer. In terms of antenna survivability, there is a lag, which is why our satellites have a half or three times less resource.


              Wrong. NPO named after Lavochkin has developed and is making the Navigator platform. CAC - 7 years old. Several spacecraft have been successfully using this platform for a long time. Antennas and SB are made by ISS named after Reshetnev, communication satellites from this manufacturer have been living for more than 15 years. BTsVK - makes RKS and there is no "lag", but there are delays in testing.

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              2011 - Astrophysical Observatory "Spectrum-R" - an interesting project, a high orbit, unfortunately, the same problem of Russian carbon-fiber reinforced plastics - cracking of antenna frames for 5 years (from this warranty period) - worked well, there are no questions - lasted until 19 years.


              Wrong. After 7,5 years of successful work, the second set of the DBK failed, the scientific complex continued to work, including the antenna itself. Those. having increased its CAC by two and a half years, a new, at that time, platform failed.

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              2013 - biological satellite Bion-M No. 1 - flight duration 30 days in low orbit - in fact a controlled capacity - nothing special or complicated.


              This is enough for conducting biological scientific experiments. The next spacecraft goes into high orbit into the radiation belts.

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              2014 - scientific and technological satellite Foton-M No. 4 - no more progressive than Bion-M in terms of capabilities


              The world's best platform for micro-acceleration during technological operations in orbit.

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              2016 - the first part of the ExoMars project (development of the ESA rover, participation of Roscosmos - only a 50-year-old "cart" for overclocking (mission failed) - it is doubtful that it was worth mentioning this fact - the result is zero. We will see the second attempt.


              Wrong. Achievement in the first part of the launch of the TGO probe into Mars orbit - four years Russian spectrometric complex in Mars orbit - world-class scientific discoveries. I advise you to visit the project website and broaden your horizons.

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              2016 - scientific satellite "Lomonosov" - the estimated period did not fly off (only 2 years)


              The satellite is experimental. It was designed for three years. Now its in-orbit capabilities are partially replaced by a cubsat-class small spacecraft.

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              2019 - Spectrum-RG astrophysical observatory - yes - in half with the Germans - I was waiting for this launch, and even the shopkeepers gathered on their platform - but since the Germans are not under sanctions and could buy reliable American electronics, the shopkeepers' hardware will work for 5-8 years.


              The observatory uses the same Navigator platform. The Germans have nothing to do with this platform. There is only the second telescope there. The observatory has been successfully operating for almost two years at the L2 Lagrange point - beyond the orbit of the Moon.

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              It is difficult to compare with the X-ray telescope Spektr-RG with the optical James Webb Space Telescope, for different purposes. But in terms of mass, less than half, in terms of capabilities - a 6,5 meter mirror made of beryllium alloy is not comparable at all - this is something.


              Correctly said - a different purpose. Spektr-RG is now scanning the entire celestial sphere with the highest angular resolution. Tens of thousands of new sources have been discovered.

              And so you better compare the cost of the device. laughing

              SRG ~ 5 billion rubles.
              Webb ~ $ 10bn

              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              2021 - multipurpose module "Science" - this shameful long-term construction from the backlog of 1995-98 ... which has been fighting with shavings in tanks and pipelines for 8 years ... it's better not to mention


              Wrong. It is a powerful multipurpose space laboratory. 29 racks with scientific equipment, an electric vacuum furnace, an airlock with a portable platform and a robotic system, etc. Now it is successfully preparing for the upcoming launch. Silently envy. laughing
              1. slipped
                slipped 10 March 2021 12: 42
                +1
                Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                2021 - AMS "Luna-25" in comparison with the Chinese lunar rover is not a breakthrough ...


                And the Chinese lunar rover compared to the lunokhod-1 is generally childish. We are not going to repeat Lunokhod 1, 2. The "Luna-25" has its own target task - to carry out a soft landing on the Moon, check the results of scanning by the LEND device for the presence of water ice at the landing site and stake out a place for an international scientific lunar station.

                Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                We'll see the rest.


                See where you go. laughing

                Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                From this list, how many interplanetary research vehicles - with a stretch of "moon 25 26 27" can be interplanetary - their contribution to research can be compared with a Mars rover? Of course not.


                Moon 25,26,27 is the practical beginning of the Russian lunar program for many years to come. We plan to use the European rover "Rosalind Franklin" in the second part of ExoMars, together with the Russian long-lived on-planet platform "Kazachok" - our instruments are also on the European rover.

                Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                Where are the one and a half ton rovers? Where are the flights to Saturn, Jupiter. I no longer ask about Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Mercury, Venus.


                This is not in the current federal space program. Our MGNS spectrometer is now flying to Mercury on the Beppi Colombo spacecraft. Mission to Venus - Venus-D is preparing for 2029. Further, using the nuclear tug "Zeus" - delivery of instruments to Jupiter.

                Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                In terms of interplanetary research stations, the Russian Federation is more than 20 years behind the United States. From Japan, from the European cosmag ...


                You are wrong. What we needed under our program of interplanetary research in the current period, one way or another, we get, including directly to our centers for deep space communications.

                Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                Well, this is some kind of your special opinion, which I do not share in any way - the Union to the internal volume is an outsider of flying ships.


                Are you sure? laughing

                "Crew Dragon" - 9,3 cu. meters in the pressurized volume, toilet over the head of the crew.
                Soyuz MS - 10,5 cubic meters meters in a pressurized volume, a toilet in a separate utility compartment.

                Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                Of the promising ones, the PTK NP will be middling, taking into account the fact that they could not master the production of a carbon fiber hull, when the Americans refused to sell us a binder for carbon plastics (which does not crack under the conditions of outer space and a large number of SC / RR cycles)


                Wrong. The experimental composite body VA PTK NP was made in Germany. According to the test results, it was abandoned in favor of aluminum, due to toxicity for the crew. The body of the engine module is composite. The characteristics of the ship are higher than those of a classmate.
                1. Dmitry V.
                  Dmitry V. 10 March 2021 15: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: slipped
                  Soyuz MS "- 10,5 cubic meters


                  The volumes of the MS have hardly changed - the limitation on the length-diameter
                  Who counts the useful volume with the utility compartment?
                  Is it not clear the difference between a one-volume ship, or the one from which you need to separate 2 compartments?
                  In terms of habitability, the union is a very inconvenient ship.
                  Due to the failure of the compartment of the utility compartment, an emergency descent was already taking place.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 10 March 2021 17: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                    Who counts the useful volume with the utility compartment?


                    So in the manual on "Soyuz MS" it is written. He is a two-room one. CA + BO. The nominal arrangement of cosmonauts in flight is one or two in the spacecraft, one or two in the BO.

                    Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                    Is it not clear the difference between a one-volume ship, or the one from which you need to separate 2 compartments?


                    You are confusing RV and LV. The descent vehicle is part of the Soyuz spacecraft. The returned one is an entire ship. The IA concept is implemented in the PTK NP. By the way, the toilet, unlike Cru Dragon, is in a separate booth.

                    Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                    In terms of habitability, the union is a very inconvenient ship.


                    You are wrong. In zero gravity, its entire living space is used. The space in the BO is quite enough for two cosmonauts in the process of an autonomous flight.



                    Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                    Due to the failure of the compartment of the utility compartment, an emergency descent was already taking place.


                    I did not understand your passage. The descent vehicle of the Soyuz spacecraft cannot land with an unseparated utility compartment. The compartment is always detached before launching. Another thing is that a very long time ago, the BO from the SA fired back earlier than the PAO, and after the incident with the Soviet-Afghan crew, the separation procedure was changed.
              2. Dmitry V.
                Dmitry V. 10 March 2021 15: 05
                -1
                Quote: slipped
                I don't know which country you pay taxes to.

                The main thing I know - in your opinion I am deeply ... in half

                Quote: slipped
                The RB "FG" SU was not made by Lavochkin residents

                Seriously?
                In 2007, the 34-year-old first deputy head of the OKB FSUE "NPO named after S. A. Lavochkin" Maxim Martynov was summoned by his immediate supervisor. The offer was not unexpected. “Everyone knew that after the departure of the previous chief designer of the Phobos-Grunt project, no one wanted to take on it,” Martynov says. "But I didn't refuse." The project to create a space station to launch to a satellite of Mars had been funded since 2005, but by 2007, almost nothing had been done.

                Quote: slipped
                There were no "Chinese boards"

                It is correct to say - They should not have been there! ... But there were. the money allocated for the FG was wasted, and the financial holes were closed by the cheapening of imported components! IN THE INDUSTRY EVERYONE KNEW IT!
                You are as incompetent as all your subsequent open source writing.

                Quote: slipped
                I advise you to visit the project website and broaden your horizons.

                What remains to write on the site for people whose rover does not end up on the surface of the planet is to seek solace in the orbital module :)
                Quote: slipped
                spectrometric complex in Mars orbit - world-class scientific discoveries
                Well, this is your opinion - to work on the lumen of the atmosphere with dull accuracy in the terrain and an approximate composition. The world’s discovery was when Curiosity discovered unusual seasonal fluctuations in oxygen in the atmosphere of Mars!
                And only losers from ESA remember about TGO, in order to somehow justify their failure.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 10 March 2021 18: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                  The main thing I know - in your opinion I am deeply ... in half


                  That's noticeable. laughing The pan is already ringing.

                  Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                  Seriously?


                  Yes, if my memory serves me, it was the "Mars" ICB. After the accident of the control unit RB "FG", work with this platform was completely stopped, and all new projects were transferred to another product - "Navigator" or to the standard RB "Fregat". Which have proven their reliability.

                  Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                  You are as incompetent as all your subsequent open source writing.


                  Unlike you, I am just competent. lol

                  Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                  What remains to write on the site for people whose rover does not end up on the surface of the planet is to seek solace in the orbital module :)


                  Our DAN neutron detector was installed on the Curiosity rover under the Russian planetary water ice search program on Mars. So we carried out our part of the research directly on the surface in the right direction. I say - broaden your horizons.

                  Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                  Well, this is your opinion - to work in the light of the atmosphere with a dull accuracy in the area and an approximate composition.


                  This is not my opinion - this is the opinion of the world scientific community, confirmed by an authoritative scientific publication. Read https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-020-00678-w

                  Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                  The world’s discovery was when Curiosity discovered unusual seasonal fluctuations in oxygen in the atmosphere of Mars!


                  From our recent discoveries - for the first time in the atmosphere of Mars by direct measurements, hydrogen chloride has been detected. The discovery was made by the Russian spectrometer ACS.

                  Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                  And only losers from ESA remember about TGO, in order to somehow justify their failure.


                  Wrong. TGO deals with specific tasks on the atmosphere of Mars, and its high-resolution camera regularly sends highly detailed images of the surface.

                  1. Dmitry V.
                    Dmitry V. 11 March 2021 11: 09
                    0
                    Quote: slipped
                    Wrong. TGO deals with specific tasks on the atmosphere of Mars, and its high-resolution camera regularly sends highly detailed images of the surface.


                    All right.
                    I'll take a look.
                    Thank you.

                    I heard about the Chinese boards on board the FG from my former supervisor - I have no reason not to believe him. Of course, I admit that the "button accordion" was leaked to him - rumors in the industry, like a deaf phone, are spreading :))
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 11 March 2021 12: 29
                      +2
                      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                      I heard about the Chinese boards on board the FG from my former supervisor - I have no reason not to believe him. Of course, I admit that the "button accordion" was leaked to him - rumors in the industry, like a deaf phone, are spreading :))


                      Industrial grade microcircuits are manufactured in Taiwan by the American company TSMC. "Mars" made a fatal design mistake - in their opinion, the RB control system had to work for a certain time during which these microcircuits would not be exposed to the long-term effects of the space environment. But, they miscalculated - the circuit went out of order immediately. If "FG" had used the usual proven "Fregat", this problem would not have happened, but it had its own RB - in fact, a part of the "Fregat" without its own SU.
                      1. Dmitry V.
                        Dmitry V. 11 March 2021 12: 44
                        0
                        Quote: slipped
                        Industrial grade microcircuits are manufactured in Taiwan by the American company TSMC. "Mars" made a fatal design mistake - in their opinion, the RB control system had to work for a certain time during which these microcircuits would not be exposed to the long-term effects of the space environment. But, they miscalculated - the circuit went out of order immediately. If "FG" had used the usual proven "Fregat", this problem would not have happened, but it had its own RB - in fact, a part of the "Fregat" without its own SU.


                        Something like this.
                        With minor clarifications - American boards were included in the budget, but by the time of assembly, the budget had already been squandered for other needs and redesigned at TSMC due to lack of funds.
                        As expected, they failed immediately upon launching into orbit ...
      3. Maikcg
        Maikcg 9 March 2021 15: 39
        0
        I read that the number of launches was higher due to the shorter lifespan of the payload in orbit. Either the satellites ran out of film or, due to the worst cameras, they went in lower orbits and they ran out of fuel faster.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 9 March 2021 09: 03
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      Our opportunities in space do not coincide for a long time with the NECESSITY for the country in astronautics, therefore, the Yankees just joked unsuccessfully.

      It is very rare for the Yankees to say something just like that. There is always a goal, given the leakage of information. As a rule, exaltation and demonization of the enemy has the goal of knocking out funds from Congress, to overcome the military threat.
  3. Hagen
    Hagen 9 March 2021 07: 21
    +3
    The threat we see today is very strong. (...) Think of lasers that can blind or disrupt our systems. Both China and Russia have several ground-based laser systems of varying power (...)
    - he said.

    Clear. They will ask for additional money for space programs.
  4. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 9 March 2021 07: 27
    +2
    The threat we see today is very strong. (...) Think of lasers that can blind or disrupt our systems.

    I remembered dozens of militants in Moscow with the Stingers, whom Yeltsin had frightened in 91st.

    Otherwise, nothing new and nothing unusual.
    Russia can do something else, and China can do something else. And this should worry the American military, for this they were appointed to the appropriate position.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 9 March 2021 08: 25
      0
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Russia can do something else, and China can do something else.

      Well said! Well, there is also hope that Russia will not merge in space.
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 March 2021 07: 30
    0
    Well, the United States also found the Russian Chinese threat in space. Without the United States, space would definitely become cleaner. They seem to have no other problems.
  6. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 9 March 2021 07: 35
    0
    Are they happy with anything in the world?)
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 March 2021 07: 39
    +2
    You just don't have to think of yourself as the navel of the Earth as striped, and you don't need to worry. stop
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 9 March 2021 07: 51
    +5
    The general stressed that the US space capabilities are at the heart of national defense, and opponents in the person of Russia and China know this and are making every possible effort to "deny Americans access to outer space."

    They express concern .... this is understandable, but the rest is bullshit, mixed with Wishlist ....
    1. cniza
      cniza 9 March 2021 10: 09
      +2
      They see and hear only themselves, everyone else interferes with them ...
      Good time! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 March 2021 10: 23
        +1
        Welcome soldier
        They are "exceptional" ... and so, nothing superfluous, just business intereses.
        1. cniza
          cniza 9 March 2021 10: 28
          +2
          Here it seems to me that they have long lost their shores and do not want to return to reality ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 9 March 2021 10: 30
            +1
            What kind of biomass they are, it would be a fig with them, but it no longer fits in that space ... climbs in all directions.
            1. cniza
              cniza 9 March 2021 10: 41
              +2
              She doesn't just climb, she actively tries to change everything for herself ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 9 March 2021 11: 40
                +1
                Substance poisoning everything around!
                So they also have a community that does not like a lot ... but in terms of reaching out to everyone with their own charter, interes, this is inherent in everyone at the initial level!
                Everyone will have it, in varying degrees of harmfulness.
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 March 2021 07: 56
    +2
    Unhappy Americans. All of them are threatened, from all there is only concern. How scary to live. laughing
    1. opuonmed
      opuonmed 9 March 2021 09: 37
      0
      if you want to rule the world for you, the world is an enemy where you, as an exceptional one from the world, pull everything for yourself !!!!!! and China is beneficial to the United States who would not say Che like the Russian Federation! China factory and RF resources and live in the EU and the United States! so it's all profitable for the us and the eu! and on the media all the complete fake and artificial inflation of people is in full swing! and so that people themselves who extract them resources would not think to do something, they lower the economy, that is, artificially make the country's currency a garbage) and all sorts of shmuby clubs there and decide under whiskey or brandy and vodka what will happen next! ))))))))))))))))))))))))))
  10. bistrov.
    bistrov. 9 March 2021 07: 57
    +6
    "... a satellite with a robotic arm ..." This will fly up to an American satellite, but how it will give a "robotic hand" right in the face ..., hehe ..., it will not seem a little ...
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 9 March 2021 08: 16
      +2
      Quote: bistrov.
      Such a one will fly up to an American satellite, but how he will give it with a "robotic hand" right in the face ...

      Not God knows how much, but the process is slowly going on. And the truth about lasers and satellites:
      Periodically, there is information about "satellites-inspectors" - spacecraft capable of actively maneuvering in space, approaching the enemy's satellites for "inspection". These satellites-inspectors include the spacecraft "Kosmos-2491", "Kosmos-2504", launched in 2013 and 2015, respectively.
      The newer is the spacecraft "Kosmos-2519". It is assumed that the Kosmos-2519 spacecraft can be executed on the Karat-200 platform (developed by NPO Lavochkin), capable of operating in orbits up to geostationary.
      In July 2020, the Interfax news agency announced the successful testing of one more satellite inspector. And in January 2020, the Russian satellite-inspector Kosmos-2543 approached the American reconnaissance satellite at a distance of about 150 kilometers. After which the American satellite corrected its orbit.

      From an article on VO dated 27.01.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      And we can put a bucket of nails in, ALL tady will get in full wassat wassat wassat
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 9 March 2021 08: 39
        +1
        Quote: NDR-791
        We can also pop a bucket of nails

        I just laughed at the term "robotic arm", which is a stylistic mistake, probably just an inaccuracy of translation, the arm cannot be "robotic" in any way, in this case it should be said: "robot arm", there is an expression "mechanical" arm, or borrowed from a foreign "manipulator".
      2. Maikcg
        Maikcg 9 March 2021 15: 48
        0
        Nonsense wassat a bucket even the size of Energy will not be enough.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 9 March 2021 11: 31
      0
      Quote: bistrov.
      "... a satellite with a robotic arm ..."
      behind his ear, as they said in childhood, and into the sun.
  11. U-58
    U-58 9 March 2021 08: 16
    +1
    Poor America!
    I'll pay right now. Offended, my dear, Russian and Chinese - brothers forever. ...
    This is how it is necessary to attract budget funds from the treasury.
  12. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 9 March 2021 08: 17
    +2
    The general stressed that US space capabilities are at the core of national defense, and opponents in the face of Russia and China know this and make every possible effort to "deny Americans access to outer space ".
    Russia and China do not seek to deprive mattresses of access to space, but they will no longer give the United States a monopoly on space. Wipe down your mattresses and take it for granted. yes
  13. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 March 2021 08: 26
    0
    The capabilities of Russia and China in space are of concern to the United States. This was stated by the commander of the US Space Force, General John Raymond, in an interview with The New York Times.
    If you try to wake this half-asleep mug, it won't soak it off yet. laughing What a prez in merikatosia, such associates. laughing
  14. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 9 March 2021 08: 37
    -3
    Raymond, as an example, cited a Russian satellite, which he compared with a matryoshka, without giving any additional information about it.

    Information for counterintelligence and the Russian FSB ... where did Raymond get this information ... seems to be flowing somewhere.
  15. GERIX_2
    GERIX_2 9 March 2021 08: 53
    -4
    How can you be afraid of the country you overtook in the space race? Even China overtook by launching 2 times more missiles than Russia, and took away earnings from Russia)
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 9 March 2021 09: 08
      +1
      Since when is the number of launches a victory? Launching garbage on ultralight rockets doesn't mean anything. We launch as many as needed, and not launches for the sake of launches and numbers. There, by the way, NASA increased the cost of its services for the withdrawal of cargo by 7 times, from 3 to 20 bucks per kg, never dumping. And this is not only in terms of cargo, now the cost of the work of astronauts in the interests of private traders has been raised from about 30 thousand to 130. And as the fairy tales sang "the wonderful Musk and private space, NASA goes ahead."
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 9 March 2021 10: 46
        +7
        1. We launch not as much as necessary, but as much as we can.
        2. The main part of US and Chinese launches on ultralight vehicles? This is a sensation. Can you voice the names of these launch vehicles, with which the main part of the launch vehicle with a mass of about 0,5 tons was displayed? By the way, about the trash. Does Russia also have an ultralight class launch vehicle? When? Is this another sensation?
        3. Why lump everything together? What does Musk have to do with NASA? As for the rise in prices, for some reason nobody bothered when Roscosmos raised the cost of one delivery to the ISS for NASA from $ 21,3 to $ 90 million from 2006 to 2020.
  16. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 9 March 2021 09: 24
    +1
    There is no effort by China and Russia to limit the US space capabilities. This is the same song that is now being sung in the United States about some fictional cyberattack on them from Russia in December 20 - January 21 (and they want to carry out a cyberattack on Russia for this fiction in the next 3 weeks).
    It's time to include in the doctrine of the Russian Federation that we are hitting for cyberattacks like a strike against Russia - with nuclear weapons!
    On the imposition of sanctions, considering them an act of declaring war, we break off diplomatic relations with all the consequences.
    How long can you be patient?
    I do not call for war, but after such statements of ours (and why can't we, like them, chatter without bones for any reason and with a proviso - we will strike at the moment when it will be beneficial for us), we need to react more sharply and decisively, and not hum be preoccupied.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 9 March 2021 11: 36
      0
      Quote: mojohed2012
      why can't we, too, how they chat without bones for any reason
      Mb, in order not to be talkers, no?
  17. cniza
    cniza 9 March 2021 10: 03
    +3
    The general emphasized that US space capabilities are at the core of national defense


    And what about Russia and China? Exactly the same interests, only we think about defense, and you about conquest and coercion ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 9 March 2021 10: 25
      +1
      It is useless to argue with them, as well as to show concerns.
      There is only bash for bash .... if you can, of course. If you cannot, for a start, do not substitute ... there are many ways to do business, and if they are not there it is NECESSARY to CREATE such ways.
      1. cniza
        cniza 9 March 2021 10: 29
        +2
        It's hard to talk to the deaf, and they don't want to hear anyone, but as they say, these are their problems ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 9 March 2021 10: 35
          +1
          Unfortunately, we are not rhino, and they are not mice!
          They will blame their problems on everyone around ... we too will get a lot.
          all the more, our countermeasures are lagging, or even not noticeable at all, in some directions.
          It's like in a joke - "give me a bowl of soup and I'll have them all ... all, in short!"
          So, NOBODY WILL GIVE us this bowl of soup, even their own, cooked with their own hands, they strive to take away !!!
          1. cniza
            cniza 9 March 2021 10: 43
            +2
            Of course, they will blame others, but all others also know who the real instigator and culprit are ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 9 March 2021 11: 41
              +1
              Quote: cniza
              everyone else knows who the instigator and culprit really is ...

              They know and silently digest it ... for us an unacceptable option, from the definition AT ALL!
      2. ball
        ball 11 March 2021 08: 58
        0
        I think we need to build autonomous underground cities, because sooner or later they will blow up the planet
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 11 March 2021 09: 04
          0
          Well, yes, let's play "new Amazons" !!! And then they will invent a big-headed vitamin / virus D and ..... yes figs knows what they will invent, what can happen ???
          Our way to the STARS !!!
          1. ball
            ball 11 March 2021 10: 47
            0
            Quote: rocket757
            Well, yes, let's play "new Amazons" !!! And then they will invent a big-headed vitamin / virus D and ..... yes figs knows what they will invent, what can happen ???
            Our way to the STARS !!!

            I am not against it, but for this it is necessary to act as a united front, and the existing capital system has the ultimate goal of destruction and not creation.
            Sorry for the offtopic, you have to survive in the "hot phase"
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 11 March 2021 10: 55
              0
              Quote: ball
              the existing capital system has the ultimate goal of destruction and not creation.

              The obvious and the probable ... just not everyone gets it! So we roll to somewhere, but not to the stars, this is also obvious.
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 March 2021 10: 36
    +2
    as an example, he cited a Russian satellite, which he compared with a nesting doll ...
    This is the reason for new sanctions due to the production of matryoshka dolls and the use of "seven in one" technology.
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 March 2021 12: 08
    +1
    That Biden, that Trump is one hell for Russia. The only difference is that Biden will quickly bring the US economy to "Legman Brothers". Soon it will be so easy and light there, without any Chinese lasers, that it will not seem like a little.  laughing
  20. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 9 March 2021 12: 30
    0
    In the photo, is it really a person? And then doubts take me ...
  21. orionvitt
    orionvitt 9 March 2021 13: 43
    0
    Russia and China have many opportunities that deeply worry the United States.
    Let him think better about the printing press, which is already red with strain and on which not only American space depends, but the existence of the United States in principle. And China and Russia, well, you yourself made them enemies, there is nothing to blame now.
  22. slipped
    slipped 9 March 2021 16: 40
    +2
    Meanwhile, Russia and China today signed a memorandum on the creation of a joint International Scientific Lunar Station (ISL).



    The International Scientific Lunar Station is a complex of experimental research facilities created on the surface and / or in the orbit of the Moon, designed to carry out multidisciplinary and multipurpose research work, including the exploration and use of the Moon, lunar observations, fundamental research experiments and technology verification with the possibility of long-term unmanned operation with the prospect of a human presence on the moon.
  23. sgr291158
    sgr291158 9 March 2021 19: 03
    0
    He actually understood what he said. What a collection of meaningless phrases. All of them already need to seriously treat their heads.
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  25. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 March 2021 19: 55
    0
    The Franks sent a cat.

    More Franks themselves did not fly into space.
    She returned alive. But they decided to "investigate" it.

    The second rocket exploded at the launch pad. laughing
  26. Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 10 March 2021 06: 57
    +1
    Quote: slipped
    2011 - Astrophysical Observatory "Spectrum-R"
    2013 - biological satellite Bion-M No. 1
    2014 - scientific and technological satellite Foton-M No. 4
    2016 - the first part of the ExoMars project
    2016 - scientific satellite "Lomonosov"
    2019 - Spectrum-RG astrophysical observatory

    In total, for the whole 10 years, it was launched:
    3 satellites - which could not even work out their missions in a regular way and were terminated prematurely due to technical malfunctions
    1 - complicity in a European mission, which also became unsuccessful (with a stretch, partially successful)
    1 - orbiting telescope (which has already died in Bose)
    1 - participation in the international Spectrum-RG, where the main instrument is European, and the quasi-domestic instrument is made from the mirrors of the sworn partner.

    And how do you assess these results with the number and quality of foreign missions over 10 years? How do you rate yourself?
  27. Pardus
    Pardus 13 March 2021 14: 45
    +6
    Russian and Chinese space capabilities worries United States

    America is always worried about something ... laughing
    Any actions on the part of Russia are of particular concern, especially when we are doing nothing. laughing
  28. Pardus
    Pardus 13 March 2021 14: 47
    +5
    Raymond, as an example, cited a Russian satellite, which he compared with a matryoshka, without giving any additional information about it. According to him, Washington knows for sure that it is intended to attack American spacecraft in low-earth orbit.

    Raymond is sure and that's it. Evidence ... What evidence? Russians are cunning. If there is a matryoshka, then the satellite can also be a matryoshka)))
    They are sick in this America laughing
  29. Pardus
    Pardus 13 March 2021 14: 58
    +7
    China, which also possesses satellites that threaten US capabilities in orbit, claiming a satellite with a "robotic arm"

    laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
  30. Pardus
    Pardus 13 March 2021 15: 02
    +10
    opponents in the person of Russia and China know this and are making every possible effort to "deny Americans access to outer space"

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