State tests of the AGS-40 "Balkan" anti-personnel automatic grenade launcher completed

State tests of the newest anti-personnel 40-mm grenade launcher "Balkan" have been successfully completed, the grenade launcher has been recommended for adoption by the Russian army. This was stated by the executive director of "Tekhmash" Alexander Kochkin.

According to Kochkin, the 6S19 Balkan anti-personnel grenade launcher is the latest development that has undergone experimental military operation and completed state tests. It has an increased firing range compared to analogues in service with the Russian army, and the ammunition has twice the power.

State tests of this sample were successfully completed with recommendations for adoption by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

- leads TASS words of the General Director of "Techmash".

AGS-40 "Balkan" - Russian automatic easel 40 mm grenade launcher. The troops should replace AGS-17 "Flame" and AGS-30. Designed to destroy live undefended enemy forces, as well as enemy infantry located in field shelters or behind natural folds of the terrain.

The weight of the AGS-40 grenade launcher together with the machine tool and sights is 32 kg. Another 14 kg weighs a box of grenades. The maximum firing range of the grenade launcher is 2,5 thousand meters, and the rate of fire is 400 rounds per minute. AGS-40 will be able to fire both on a mounted and on a flat trajectory. Shooting can be carried out with single shots, short bursts (up to 5 shots), long bursts (up to 10 shots), continuous fire is also possible.

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[rotmistr60]

the grenade launcher is recommended for adoption by the Russian army

It remains to wish to quickly get to the units and take their place in the line of weapons. I remember in 1972 in the AGS-17 school (especially the grenade) it was considered secret, and today the third generation of the AGS will enter the troops.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: rotmistr60

I remember in 1972 in the AGS-17 school (especially the grenade) it was considered secret, and today the third generation of the AGS will enter the troops.

All this, of course, is wonderful, but the literacy of the current authors is very touching.

and ammunition - doubled power.

Tin.

[Lech from Android.]

Tin.

An article without a signature ... everything is fine ... you can insert as many bloopers as you like.
And so let's see what the daily operation of the new weapons in the troops will show.
I would like to know how it was applied in Syria?

[Old tanker]

Yeah, considering that the "newest" grenade launcher was developed back in the 90s.
Amma all laugh at ukrami. Well, well, even now the money for its fine-tuning and hospitalization was found. God forbid, there will be a sufficient series.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Old Tankman

Yeah, considering that the "newest" grenade launcher was developed back in the 90s.

Let's clarify that this is the modernization of the 70s, there is nothing fundamentally new, like there is no new AGS.

[Jager]

Then, nothing has changed much since the days of the Fedorov assault rifle)

[uav80]

what's wrong, power is a classic term used in artillery ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Stroporez

All this, of course, is wonderful, but the literacy of the current authors is very touching.
and ammunition - twice the power.

Tin.

Quote: Dictionary of military terms. - M .: Military Publishing. Compiled by A. M. Plekhov, S. G. Shapkin. 1988.

The power of an ammunition is an indicator of the effectiveness of its action on the target.

For example, the power of high-explosive shells is determined by the area of ​​the destruction zone;
armor-piercing - the thickness of the pierced armor at a given angle of encounter;
fragmentation - the area of ​​the reduced fragmentation zone, determined by the number, mass and speed of the fragmentation;
for all shells - the probability of hitting the target.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Insurgent

Insurgent

Colleague, you just have to decide what type of weapon the AGS belongs to.
I just love, art and shooter, from your point of view, are the same thing?
and a grenade with a grenade is that?
I would like to ask, as an expert, what is the difference between a grenade and artillery systems.

[Flooding]

Quote: Stroporez

All this, of course, is wonderful, but the literacy of the current authors is very touching.
and ammunition - twice the power.

Tin-plate

Of course, one can argue about how much the power of the ammunition has increased.
But the fact that it has increased is an undeniable fact.
In some old videos, they say that the firing efficiency has doubled, taking into account all the characteristics of the 40mm grenade launcher compared to the AGS-17.

It is a pity that we waited so long.
It was shown in Abu Dhabi back in 2009.

[Oden280]

Factory, government testing, trial operation and acceptance into service is a very long process. And the further it goes, the longer it will be. Equipment and weapons are becoming more complex.

[Roman 57 rus]

Power is one of the characteristics of ammunition.

[Mister X]

Quote: Stroporez

All this, of course, is wonderful, but the literacy of the current authors is very touching.
and ammunition - twice the power.

The author forgot to point out that the AGS-40 uses not 30, but 40-mm ammunition.
In addition to the fragmentation grenade, the VKO-25 cumulative grenade has been developed.
It is capable of penetrating up to 170 mm of homogeneous armor, or 400 mm of concrete.

Shot length, mm 122
Shot weight, kg 0,280
Firing range, m 30 - 400
Penetration on homogeneous armor:
Static tests in normal, mm 160-170
Dynamic tests, mm 120,
Penetration of a concrete block, mm through penetration 400, through
Number of specified fragments, pcs. 160

[Maz]

Choto for a long time, experienced

[Alex777]

Until the Syrian rooster pecked ...

[Shelest2000]

I wonder if there is an opportunity to use it from the GP or will they develop something else? This ammunition also "flies away".

[V.I.P.]

The GP-30 caliber is 30mm ... A 40mm is the standard NATO caliber. True, there they are with casings. Due to it, the recoil is less than that of ours ...... There are no cartridges on the AGS-40 ammunition)) ... Ours are still going their own way, although they are already switching to NATO caliber))). In 10 years they will start to invent with shell casings)))

[Shelest2000]

The GP-30 has a 30mm caliber.

Wow! This is when the caliber on the GP-25/30 was changed? It was always 40mm. It is you with the AGS-17/30 beguiled. There, yes, 30mm with a detachable sleeve.
So I wonder if we are using the new ammunition from the new AGS-40 on the old GP grenade launchers.

[Thomas N.]

HURRAH! Now there would be another 40-mm grenade with an air detonation in the ammunition load along with the corresponding sight.

[Runway]

Why are we shouting? Wearable bq, roughly 30% less. A larger charge in a grenade - a larger radius of dispersion of a PE does not have a high probability of being hit. In this way, one feature is single - short - single.

[Klingon]

Quote: Thomas N.

HURRAH! Now there would be another 40-mm grenade with an air detonation in the ammunition load along with the corresponding sight.

do not know how. ... or they don't want to, xs, The Striped ones back in 2015 sawed down the MK-47 with normal optics and a programmer.
Vektor Y3 AGL (South Africa) and HK GMG (Germany) of a similar caliber were created in the late 90's, have AN-PWG-1 optics with 3x magnification and a night thermal imaging channel. Ours clearly just gave birth right now, but in fact they just pumped the AGS. shorter than AGS on steroids and nothing new

[Konnick]

He would also have a remote crane to regulate the range, in order to use hinged fire at a distance of 100-200 meters, in a city battle sometimes this is required.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Konnick

He would also have a remote crane to regulate the range, in order to use hinged fire at a distance of 100-200 meters, in a city battle sometimes this is required.

Is this "crane" the same as that of the Wasp (RM-41)?
Just spoil the "Balkan", for "close combat" the GP-25 might be better ...

[Konnick]

The company mortar had a fixed angle of 75 ° and a range adjustment by a crane; a crane with a fixed position can be put on the AGS, just to be able to reduce the range of the mounted fire. The thing is quite simple, but the possibilities of the AGS will increase.

[Thrifty]

The "newest" one in the same Flame, and the weight leaves much to be desired, it was possible to keep within 20 kilograms, but this requires other materials. ..

[stalki]

The "newest" one in the same Flame, and the weight leaves much to be desired, it was possible to keep within 20 kilograms, but this requires other materials. ..

Do you know how to put everything in 20 kg? Well, why didn't you immediately explain to the developers, run faster otherwise they did business without you

[infantryman2020]

Well, we're not all gunsmiths here. But, if we talk on the couch, then, for example, the way the Americans "knocked down" the mass of the M777 howitzer (spoiler: titanium alloy).
It's another matter whether such an approach is justified for mass infantry support weapons? Here you can argue for a long time from the point of view of the criterion "power of ammunition / mass of the system."
For a start, it would be nice to include a third chela in the calculation of the AGS, so that it was easier to carry. And, then, GOMU saved money here too :(

[jonht]

Did you shoot from the AGS? At 17, even with its weight, it throws decently, and there are 30 mm shells. And since the range has been increased, it means that the propellant charge is greater and the recoil has also become greater. So you probably read the weight and it's not a fact that the machine for the grenade launcher weighs less than the grenade launcher itself.

[Runway]

The barrel is longer, the charge is not very increased.

[riwas]

At 17, even with his weight, he throws decently

By analogy with artillery systems, a hydraulic brake was installed in a 40 mm Swedish-German Striker / CG-40 grenade launcher, which made it possible to reduce the recoil force when fired by 60%. And what prevents us from doing too?

[jonht]

I think the reliability and maintainability in the field. But this is my opinion.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Thrifty

The newest "one to the same Flame, and the weight leaves much to be desired, it was possible to keep within 20 kilograms, but this requires other materials

Firstly, it has a grenade of 40 mm, and not 30, as in the "Flame". They managed to pay off the return !!!
Secondly, the original grenade, with a "flying away cartridge case" ... In the target area, the shell fragments add fragmentation action.

[DDZ57]

In the target area, the shell fragments add fragmentation action.

Quite the opposite:
the departing sleeve intercepts the fragments that are formed from the bottom of the grenade body.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: DDZ57

the departing sleeve intercepts the fragments that are formed from the bottom of the grenade body.

And where are these fragments flying? And the heavy pieces of the cartridge case will obviously not fly along the axis of the shot. Whom they will get.
By the way, there are cumulative grenades, and armor penetration 200 mm !!! On MBT is not enough, and all sorts of BMP and armored personnel carriers will be unpleasantly dumbfounded. And how will KAZ work, having received a queue of such grenades?

[DDZ57]

And where are these fragments flying? And the heavy pieces of the cartridge case will obviously not fly along the axis of the shot. Whom they will get.

Fragments of the bottom of the grenade body fly into the sleeve and thereby lose their effectiveness.
The sleeve is practically not crushed, but unfolds into a "flower".

By the way, there are cumulative grenades, and armor penetration 200 mm !!!

There is no shot with a cumulative grenade for automatic grenade launchers in the Russian Federation.

MBT is not enough, and all sorts of infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers will be unpleasantly dumbfounded

.

Those interested can try to get into a moving infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier from the AGS for 2 km.
Considering that the calculation of AGSs in the Russian Federation does not have rangefinders.

And to hit a target such as an AGS BMP or an armored personnel carrier with an automatic cannon stabilized in 2 planes, which has a rangefinder and an automatic target tracking system, it will spend only 3-4 shells at a distance of 2,5-3 km. By the time the grenade reaches the BMP or armored personnel carrier, the target "Calculation AGS" will have already been hit.

And how will KAZ work, having received a queue of such grenades?

SU KAZ does not react to these ammunition.
She's a bit smarter.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: DDZ57

There is no shot with a cumulative grenade for automatic grenade launchers in the Russian Federation.

I read what is. Not in this article. To hit an armored personnel carrier moving in a lateral projection at 2 km is difficult, but from an ambush at 500 m?
And if KAZ does not react, then what will such grenades do with KAZ itself?
And in the performance characteristics of the grenade launcher there are cumulative grenades. Who should I believe?

[DDZ57]

Who should I believe?

At 41. in the USSR they believed someone and something written and flowing from the speakers ..
Armenians in Karabakh in 2020 also believed the zombie.
The result is known.
So keep reading and believe what has been written, but also keep in mind that AGS-40 has not been manufactured more than 10 pieces in all the time. (about this is in the internet).
You can read the article on VO 2018.
https://topwar.ru/143360-ags-40-balkan-dolgiy-put-v-voyska.html#comment-id-8593280
The problems that were identified then have not gone anywhere

And if KAZ does not react, then what will such grenades do with KAZ itself?

The most that HE grenades will do is damage to outdoor devices.
To destroy the KAZ, you need a direct hit into the antenna part or mortars (combat elements). But this is a sectoral decommissioning of the KAZ elements, i.e. not complete.
But it must be borne in mind that the KAZ detection system will warn the crew about the firing sector and the automatic cannon's control system will accept the control center and the electric drive will set the gun to the firing angles.
But even at 500m from the AGS it is still necessary to hit a moving target. And the automatic cannon of a modern infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier against a fixed target "Calculation AGS" at a distance of 500 m will not miss guaranteed.
Consider also what instrumentation complex modern infantry fighting vehicles or armored personnel carriers are equipped with.
This is not a PAG-17 with a new scale.
Consider also the fact that now is not the 40s (USSR) and not even the 70s (Afghanistan).
On the street 2021 and any convoy of equipment is covered by helicopters and UAVs (from a competent and adequate command).
Karabakh showed how everything can be seen from above and what happens at the same time to those who want to carry out ambush measures.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: DDZ57

The most that HE grenades will do is damage to outdoor devices.
To destroy the KAZ, you need a direct hit into the antenna part or mortars (combat elements). But this is a sectoral decommissioning of the KAZ elements, i.e. not complete

There are cumulative grenades.
https://rg.ru/2021/03/09/avtomaticheskij-granatomet-balkan-proshel-gosispytaniia.html
Such grenades and KAZ will damage, but I advise you to get better acquainted with the subject of ... dispute.
What does the USSR have to do with it, helicopters covering the columns and so on? Grenades with 200 mm armor penetration are a serious argument in battle. If it applies ...

[DDZ57]

There are cumulative grenades.
https://rg.ru/2021/03/09/avtomaticheskij-granatomet-balkan-proshel-gosispytaniia.html

Such grenades and KAZ will damage, but such grenades and KAZ will damage, but I advise you to better get acquainted with the subject ... of the dispute ..

And I advise you to type in a search engine "VKO-25". And look at which grenade launcher this grenade. She's definitely not for AGS-40. And keep in mind that this is a prototype and the IPF may be sawing it for the GP in 5-10 years. Or maybe he won't.
So keep reading, believe what has been written and become better acquainted with the subject ... of the dispute.

Grenades with 200 mm armor penetration are a serious argument in battle.

Regarding the "serious argument". There is such a thing as "reserve effect".
Read VO: "Another Cumulative Myth." October 30, 2012
https://topwar.ru/20498-esche-odin-kumulyativnyy-mif.html.
And maybe the "illusion" will disappear.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: DDZ57

And I advise you to type in a search engine "VKO-25"

Well, I typed ...

VKO-25 40-mm cumulative grenade for use in under-barrel grenade launchers of small arms, easel grenade launchers and launcher mortars of armored vehicles. Allows to hit up to 200 mm of homogeneous armor or 400 mm of concrete. First shown at the Army-2019 forum. [one]

And what are you trying to prove? What is your military specialty? And the title?
What did they shoot from?

[DDZ57]

And what are you trying to prove? What is your military specialty? And the title?
What did they shoot from?

I'm not trying to prove anything. I am talking about the need to turn on the brains a little, if there are any, and analyze what the "Russian journalist" wrote.

VKO-25 40-mm cumulative grenade for use in under-barrel grenade launchers of small arms, easel grenade launchers and launcher mortars of armored vehicles.

.

If you have some kind of military specialty and you have some kind of military rank, then name which automatic belt-fed grenade launcher is suitable for a cumulative fragmentation grenade with ready-made leading protrusions on the hull. And how can she fly 2,5 km if she has a 400m firing range?

In the IPF advertising brochure with ARMY 2019, there is no easel grenade launcher and there are no launcher mortars of armored vehicles. Only grenade launchers and "revolvers".
And where is the 200mm armor penetration even in static?

[Roma 1977]

Yes, it is already the lightest in its class.

[DDZ57]

[quote] Yes, it is already the lightest in its class. [/ quote

The lightest among AG is AGS-30.
In addition, AGS-30 is also wearable with a normal ammo.
So, with a total wearable mass of the complex of 75 kg, the AGS-40 ammunition load is 62 shots, the AGS-17 - 87 shots, and the AGS-30 - 117 shots.
In an extreme situation (disabling one of the two members of the combat crew), the redeployment of the grenade launcher is carried out by the forces of one member of the crew, while the weight load on it does not exceed 50 kg (grenade launcher and 2 boxes with 60 shots).

[Blue fox]

could be kept within 20 kilograms

Probably you can. Only this "packing" has a reverse side of the medal, which is very important for such a grenade launcher. How to hold it while shooting ??? He will ride like a mad mule. Okay, if it is possible to weld it to the armor, for example, what if you need to open fire quickly in an open field? Where can you fill up bags of land? And if the ground is rocky? And if the target is not a group, but, for example, a machine-gun nest? The whole calculation will hang from above for holding for accurate aiming?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrifty

could be kept within 20 kilograms

How many gunsmith designers do we have to wipe sofas uselessly?

[antivirus]

there repairmen made it easier to bend-weld. and all the work - they received the prize and did not count anything

[Victorio]

Quote: Thrifty

The "newest" one in the same Flame, and the weight leaves much to be desired, it was possible to keep within 20 kilograms, but this requires other materials. ..

===
steel barrel and grenade filling, the rest is alternative materials. and in this case it is difficult to keep within 20 kg

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Thrifty

The "newest" one in the same Flame, and the weight leaves much to be desired, it was possible to keep within 20 kilograms, but this requires other materials. ..

Mk47 mod 0 - 41kg ... usa
Daewoo K4 - 65kg South Korea. In "bourgeois countries" the "weight" is not monitored ... However, "weight" (mass) is not just "weight", but to some extent compensation for recoil, a "light" AGS will "not adequately" respond to a shot.

[Zaurbek]

Will cumulatives be in a 40mm grenade?

[Roma 1977]

High-explosive fragmentation is enough against lightly armored vehicles, and against 40-mm cumulative tanks - like grain for an elephant.

[Zaurbek]

Well, this is not so ..... they are not enough and modern armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and MRAPs have gained weight. In the west there is a 40mm cumulative for grenade launchers.

[Roma 1977]

An extremely specific ammunition, the effective armor penetration of which is provided only upon contact with the armor at an angle of 90 degrees, which, in principle, is problematic to achieve when firing with a canopy. Plus an extremely low mass of explosives, an extremely small size of the cumulative funnel. During WWII, the Germans used cumulative shells in their 37-mm anti-tank guns, but only in the above-caliber version.

[Zaurbek]

Look at NATO Ammunition Kum .... for Grenade Launchers and Automatic Grenade Launchers.

[garri-lin]

Add also that cumulative and against various kinds of shelters is better than usual. Must be required. And preferably combined. Kumul but with a shrapnel shirt.

[Roma 1977]

Not on your nelly. 40-mm is not the right caliber and is designed for the wrong purposes. At long-term shelters, you need to shoot thermobaric ammunition with a caliber of 90 mm or more. There is no need to demand from a light automatic grenade launcher the capabilities of a cruise missile multiplied by the rate of fire of an anti-aircraft gun.

[garri-lin]

NATO has been using kumul in this caliber for a long time. Quite successful. Plus long-term shelter is one thing and the wall of a house in a brick thick is another. Kum 40 mm on such a wall will work quite well, but there will be no use for it.

[Roma 1977]

The destructive effect of the cumulative ammunition is very weak if you shoot at buildings. A hole with a diameter of a finger and damage to the body, if he was hiding behind this hole. But the PF will demolish the entire wall and riddle everyone who was hiding behind it.

[garri-lin]

Kumul on concrete gives a healthy amount of secondary fragments. Yes, and light armor will also be useful.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: garri-lin

And preferably combined. Kumul but with a shrapnel shirt.

In 1965, something similar was already done in the USSR ...

OKG-40.
The fragments are weak, the armor does not penetrate thick. In general, they refused ...

[garri-lin]

50 years have passed since then. A lot has changed. In those days, HEAT shells of normal caliber did not penetrate much either.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: garri-lin

A lot has changed.

Hold on! Progressive humanity is with you! Not very long ago, there was a message about the successful development of 40-mm cumulative fragmentation grenades, in my opinion, for the grenade launcher!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: cat Rusich

OKG-40.
The fragments are weak, the armor does not penetrate thick. In general, they refused ..

Yes ... it was the case with the OKG-40! But relatively recently there was a message about the successful development of 40-mm HEAT grenades! The results are said to be impressive for this type of ammunition ...

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

The results are said to be impressive for this type of ammunition ...

They say the rotation of the projectile (grenade, shot) weakens the cumulative effect ...
AGS, GP - have a rifled barrel ... RPG - smooth. Impressive results are achieved through the rise in the cost of "shaped charges" (for example, the use of TANTALUM for lining the funnel). AGS with godfather shot will spend either a lot of EXPENSIVE-effective shots or even more CHEAP-ineffective shots.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: cat Rusich

Quote: Nikolaevich I

The results are said to be impressive for this type of ammunition ...

They say the rotation of the projectile (grenade, shot) weakens the cumulative effect ...

Usually armor penetration "rotating-kuma " - TWO funnel diameters ...
Armor penetration "non-rotating-kuma" more than FOUR diameters - at AGS rifled barrel

[Nikolaevich I]

Duc, I'm not comparing ... the current is reporting a fact!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Zaurbek

Will cumulatives be in a 40mm grenade?

Do you want to get the functions of a gun from him?

[Zaurbek]

It is placed on turrets designed for 12,7mm machine guns. It is quite possible for yourself to have ammunition with a good HE action and a cumulative to fight against armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles (in NATO, they are now heavier and fatter). In combination with the LMS of these modules (both the rangefinder and the amendments are considered there), accurate hits with a burst of 2-3 grenades with a canopy are very likely.

The dispute is empty, the article is still here ...




The Army-2019 Forum demonstrated small cumulative grenades with impressive for their size power. They are designed for automatic machine gun grenade launchers 30 and 40 mm.
The grenades were developed by a team of the Novosibirsk Institute of Applied Physics, which is part of the Kurganpribor group of companies - one of the most successful Russian organizations engaged in development in the field of armor protection and in the shock field.

It is at the Novosibirsk Institute of Applied Physics that small-sized ammunition is developed for the under-barrel GP-25. which is attached to AK type machines. Grenades fired from such grenade launchers are designed to destroy enemy personnel.

Now, at the forum "Army-2019", those present had the opportunity to get acquainted with the cumulative grenades VKO-25 and GK-94, reports RG. At a distance of 400 meters, they are able to penetrate 200 mm armor. That is, it is enough to fire from the AGS with such grenades a column of armored vehicles of a conditional enemy, and it will be completely destroyed.[i] [/ i]

[DDZ57]

The Army-2019 Forum demonstrated small cumulative grenades with impressive for their size power. They are designed for automatic machine gun grenade launchers 30 and 40 mm.

VKO-25 and GK-94 grenades - 40mm and 43mm, but not 30mm.
And they are not intended for automatic easel grenade launchers.

[Zaurbek]

From the text:
..... They are designed for automatic easel grenade launchers in calibers 30 and 40 mm.
and if you believe:
...capable of penetrating 200 mm armor.

Then you can beat the tank.

[hagen]

State tests of the newest anti-personnel 40-mm grenade launcher "Balkan" have been successfully completed, the grenade launcher has been recommended for adoption by the Russian army.

The device is good. I have no words. But the landing of the grenade launcher - "to spite all the deaths." With such a silhouette, only sit on the training ground, and not under fire at the front line. The soft saddle especially smiles. Obviously, the designers assume that the gunner will sit on it for a long time. Oh well...

[Pessimist22]

And if you dig in and make a parapet? According to you, you need to make 6 handles to him in order to shoot a bullet from your hands

[hagen]

Quote: Pessimist22

And if you dig in and make a parapet?

How will you dig this in?

[Zaurbek]

This will be put on the remote module and put on the TIGER. and all the rest - in a trench and a canopy.

[Nikolaevich I]

What have you all worked out: "sitting, sitting ..."! Or maybe lying down? It seems to me that I recall such a note in one of the articles ... and the position of the machine can be changed!

The difference with the photo that was truncated on page VO?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Hagen

But the landing of the grenade launcher - "to spite all the deaths." With such a silhouette, only sit on the training ground, and not under fire at the front line. The soft saddle especially smiles. Obviously, the designers assume that the gunner will sit on it for a long time. Oh well...

And if without "Well, well ...", then such an element as "soft seat"serves not only to give stability to the machine when shooting in conditions where such a" fit "is possible, but also serves as an element that makes the process of carrying the machine in a pack," on the march "," on the hump "more comfortable.

Where it is impossible to shoot from a sitting position behind the machine, this element will not be used.

[hagen]

Quote: Insurgent

but also serves as an element that makes the process of carrying the machine in a pack, "on the march", "on the hump" more comfortable.

I had to communicate with "17" without pillows. Cope. Although I confess I did not go 20 km with such a "pack". On the AGS-17, there was a very noticeable recoil when firing, so it jumped under the shooter's carcass. I suspect that the "Balkan" returns even more tangible. So, I think that it will be preferable for shooting from a "chair" to shoot at maximum ranges or with PDO, and at medium distances up to 1000 m from some massive stop (with armor, for example) or the machine will have to be driven into the ground on anchors. Without anchors, even the NSV on the machine pushes the machine gun along with the shooter from the position, what can we say about the grenade launcher?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Hagen

I had to communicate with "17" without pillows. Cope. Although I confess I did not go 20 km with such a "pack". On the AGS-17, there was a very noticeable recoil when firing, so it jumped under the gunner's carcass. I suspect that the "Balkan" returns even more tangible. So, I think that it will be preferable for shooting from a "chair" to shoot at maximum ranges or with PDO, and at medium distances up to 1000 m from some massive stop (from armor for example) or the machine will have to be driven into the ground on anchors. Without anchors, even the NSV on the machine pushes the machine gun together with the shooter from the position, what can we say about the grenade launcher?

It's all clear But the "seat", be that as it may, is a constructive element (possibly removable ) of this AGS. Therefore, it is necessary to take into account when using a weapon its presence.

"Anchoring" the AGS is as easy as shelling pears, just shoot holes in the "heels" of the paw-supports and use pieces of reinforcement suitable for the diameter as "anchors" ...
In other conditions, bags or boxes with soil are simply piled on the paws to compensate for the "jumping".

[hagen]

Quote: Insurgent

To "lock" the AGS, as easy as shelling pears

Not always. On rolled loam, maybe yes. But at the edge of a birch grove, a very long anchor is needed. And that after 1-2 turns will shake. On rocky and sandy ground, there are other problems. Tested on AGS-17. Actually, that's why there is a saddle, so that the 80 kg shooter's carcass compensates for the obstinate apparatus, only the silhouette of the shooter will be no less than target number 9. For a sniper from 800-1000 m, it's like shooting at the gate ...

[Roma 1977]

If we consider that the main mode of operation of the AGS is shooting with a canopy, and that for shooting with a canopy, you need to rest against it with horns and press with all your weight, then the seat is quite a convenient device.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Roma-1977

If we consider that the main mode of operation of the AGS is shooting with a canopy, and that for shooting with a canopy, you need to rest against it with horns and press with all your weight, then the seat is quite a convenient device.

Alternatively, put a bag of soil on the seat

[Roma 1977]

Here is shooting from AGS-17 without a seat:

[garri-lin]

Hinged fire. AGS may well be located in the folds of the terrain.

[Ros 56]

It remains only to saturate the troops with them, and these are jobs, because there are not a couple of dozen of them.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ros 56

It remains only to saturate the troops with them, and these are jobs, because there are not a couple of dozen of them.

The series will go, sate.
The seventeenth and thirtieth will be removed as the new apparatus arrives, so that the "retirees" will still work.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Nyrobsky

The seventeenth and thirtieth will be removed as the new apparatus arrives, so that the "retirees" will still work.

I even know WHERE there is work for them. A lot of work

[Konstantin Gogolev]

Everything is very good, a good machine, but from a purely theoretical point of view I cannot imagine the need for firing a 40 mm grenade at a distance exceeding even 1000 meters. Only the opposite slopes of the mountains, and from a dominant height.

[Operator]

Will not take off - due to the high recoil of the 40-mm grenade and the lightweight construction of the "Balkan", it is possible to shoot from it aimingly only when a suicide grenade launcher is used as ballast.

12,7-mm "Kord" and 82-mm "Tray" - our everything.

[Roma 1977]

My father-in-law in Afghanistan was a platoon commander in 345 OPDP. He specifically says that the AGS was preferable to them over large-caliber machine guns and mortars, if they were dragged over the mountains on their own hump. And in general, ask around the warrior: everyone will say that AGS is a force.

[Operator]

The Balkan grenade launcher is a belt target for enemy snipers.

Machine gunner "Cliff" is the main target, mortar "Tray" generally shoot from a closed position and even at 3 km.

Ask your father-in-law which of these military specialties he would like to have in Afghanistan.

[Roma 1977]

As far as I know, losses from sniper fire in local conflicts were very low, if we consider it specifically. Most of them are mine-detonated or shrapnel. And there were very few "belt targets" among them.

[hagen]

Quote: Roma-1977

As far as I know, losses from sniper fire in local conflicts were very low.

And where did you see high losses from sniper fire? Yes. only a few die there, but which ones? The calculation of the AGS is just from its priority.

[Operator]

Special waist target number 2
https://sudact.ru/law/prikaz-mvd-rossii-ot-23112017-n-880/prilozhenie/prilozhenie-n-3/

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Operator

Ask your father-in-law which of these military specialties he would like to have in Afghanistan.

Definitely a cook.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Operator

12,7-mm "Kord" and 82-mm "Tray" - our everything.

[Operator]

On the photo - not our Browning M2

[Nikolaevich I]

Well ... ours is not ours ... but it looks!

[garri-lin]

Is it worth changing 30 mm to 40 mm? Can't they exist in parallel?

[Roma 1977]

With an increase in caliber by only 10 mm, the mass of the explosive almost doubles while maintaining the mass and dimensional characteristics of the weapon at the same level. Is it worth it? Probably yes. But logistics requires ammunition unification. That is, you need to choose one thing.

[garri-lin]

BC turns out much less. Stationary 40 mm and where you can carry 30 on foot, you can leave. In mining units, for example. I understand and welcome the unification, but you need to look very closely. Although in theory, probably not. Vogue 17 isn't easy either. We need to compare the weight of the snail. For both calibers.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: garri-lin

is it worth changing 30 mm to 40 mm?

With the equipping of the troops with "normal" body armor, the 30-mm caliber turns out to be rather weak ... the problem is to make a "good" cumulative in this caliber, and the other "assortment" is difficult to obtain! At the same time, there is such a 40-mm "assortment only for grenade launchers!"

[Pavel Vladimirov]

You climbed the mountains with snails in your hands? You will pass 200 meters maximum. This is the second, more caliber, less ammunition, which is not good in a foot raid.
The economy, everything is working, from steel makers to military acceptance. And to be honest, this device is fucking nobody needs in real life.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Pavel Vladimirov

climbed the mountains?

The smart one will not go up the hill ... the smart one will bypass the mountain!

What are you all ... "drag, drag"! Why drag when you can roll ... well, on the same "tiger", "arrow", "weasel" ...

[garri-lin]

A rather large assortment. Thanks for the clarifications.

[Evil 55]

The weight is the same .. The caliber is larger, but the grenade in the portable ammo is smaller ..

[Klingon]

the increased power of 40mm rounds is all well and good, but it's still ballistic, but what about programmable detonation ammunition?
like on MK-47 for example?

[Pandiurin]

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Quote: Klingon

the increased power of 40mm rounds is all well and good, but it's still ballistic, but what about programmable detonation ammunition?
like on MK-47 for example?

There is a bouncing ammunition.

MK47 will be heavier because the smart sight has a hefty mass.

And so the tendency is that it will be more effective to shoot from something lightweight (maximum 8-10 kg) along a hinged trajectory, from a closed position for target designation from a mini drone.
The ammunition should be guided by target designation from the UAV. On a laser mark or with an inertial system.

A two-man crew can, from a closed position, place a previously prepared and more advantageous position with AGS and machine guns.

[senima56]

I watched the video with the shooting from this grenade launcher: jumping like crazy! I understand, "what would you like? After all, the increased caliber ....", etc. and so on .. but still, even a shooter sitting on a regular one cannot "tame" him! It would be nice to solve this problem. As, for example, the AGS-30, which has a weight half as much as the AGS-17, but is quite manageable and controllable during firing.

[Radical]

State tests of the AGS-40 "Balkan" anti-personnel automatic grenade launcher completed

Yeah, it hasn't passed and ... - and by the way, how much has passed since the moment of development, and transfer for testing?

[DDZ57]

Yeah, it hasn't passed and ... - and by the way, how much has passed since the moment of development, and transfer for testing?

V.N. Telesh, Tula, TsKIB SOO. End of the 80s. TKB-0134 "Kozlik" grenade launcher and PF shot with a flying away cartridge case.

[Azimuth]

Quote: Operator

12,7-mm "Kord" and 82-mm "Tray" - our everything.

I agree if you choose either or. ACS may be good, but the Tray will not replace in any way, and without ACS, but you can live with the Tray, and you can give life.

[Dmitry Izmalkov]

Something was tested for a long time, I heard about this grenade launcher back in the distant 00s, I hope there will be several export supplies, which will obviously speed up the adoption of this model for real armament

[Radical]

Quote: Dmitry Izmalkov

Something was tested for a long time, I heard about this grenade launcher back in the distant 00s, I hope there will be several export supplies, which will obviously speed up the adoption of this model for real armament

Well, the stump is clear, we now first arm foreign armies, often unfriendly countries, and then our own! By the residual principle.

[cmax]

Shooting from the Balkan
https://youtu.be/BnjqC7BezaQ

[riwas]

Pictures, including from the exhibition

In a grenade launcher grenade, for proper combustion of gunpowder, first combustion occurs in a closed chamber of the grenade until a certain pressure is reached, after which four membranes are knocked out.

[loha]

AGS-40 "Balkan" 32kg + ammunition, against AGS-30 and 17 16kg + ammunition you run and you don't want double "power". in addition to the car may be, but to replace yes well on.

[DDZ57]

More promising is the product of ZiD - a 40mm automatic heavy-duty anti-personnel grenade launcher MGK-40 (A.M. Koptev, Yu.M. Bogdanov, A.V. Tolstolychenko) with a standard unitary round (i.e. with a conventional sleeve). Which has already been tried to fit into the combat module "Crossbow-DM".