The General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces is preparing for possible provocations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Crimean direction and in the Donbass. Significant mission of Tu-204ON

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As the first week of March 2021 showed, against the background of the previously predicted provision by the current administration of the 46th President of the United States, Joe Biden and the Pentagon, with carte blanche for the implementation of an escalation scenario by Kiev in all operational directions of the Donbass theater of operations, as well as in the light of the hasty transfer and deployment of regular units of the Ukrainian armies near the line of contact in Donbass and on the northern approaches to the Republic of Crimea of ​​missile divisions of OTRK 9K79-1 "Tochka" and batteries of cannon and rocket artillery, the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces in general and the command of the Aerospace Forces in particular have begun to work out a number of countermeasures of an operational and strategic nature, aimed to promptly stop the threat that has arisen.

The range of tasks for the "peaceful" Tu-204ON is expanding. From arms monitoring under the Open Skies Treaty to strategic reconnaissance in the Azov-Black Sea theater of operations

In particular, the interesting mission of the Tu-204ON optical-electronic surveillance aircraft, the route of which was recorded by the online monitoring portal of the regional and global air traffic "Flightradar24" on the morning of March 4th.

Tearing off the runway of the Taganrog-Tsentralny airbase at about 8:45 am, the car headed for the Republic of Crimea, following over the littoral zone of the northwestern coast of the Krasnodar Territory (washed by the Sea of ​​Azov), and then filigreely repeating the contours of the coastlines of the Crimean and Taman peninsulas (up to Novorossiysk).

According to the official version announced to RIA journalists News As a competent source in the Russian defense department, the main points in the list of tasks for a 2,5-hour Tu-204ON flight, carried out at an altitude of 2964 m at a speed of 546 km / h, were:

- firstly, an analysis of the level of camouflage of armored vehicles, launchers of MLRS, barreled artillery units, coastal anti-ship missile systems, OTRK, as well as military air defense systems and air defense systems of anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian Aerospace Forces from airborne enemy airborne reconnaissance systems ;

- secondly, an assessment of the ability of the network-centric layered air defense-missile defense system, erected over the Republic of Crimea and the Krasnodar Territory, to take bearings and accompany enemy air attack weapons in passive radar mode.

Obviously, the last point provided for an assessment of the ability of ground multi-band complexes of executive electronic intelligence of types 1L222M "Avtobaza-M", "Vega", "Orion" and "Valeria" in the passive mode to detect conventional air targets of the enemy (by the radiation of their onboard radars or radio communication stations / exchange of tactical information, radio altimeters of active radar seeker, etc.), to "tie" their routes, and then issue target designation to anti-aircraft missile divisions / regiments S-300V4, S-350 "Vityaz" and "Buk-M3" , which are capable of intercepting enemy air targets even without using their own target designation / guidance radars (9S32M4, 50N6A and 9S36). This is achieved through the use of anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M82MV, 9M96E / DM and 9M317MA with active radar seeker, capable of receiving direct target designation from third-party radar / radio reconnaissance means.

As a conditional target, in this case, the Tu-204ON was used, which has a mass of radio-emitting complexes in the avionics architecture.

Thus, in the context of high-intensity hostilities in the Azov-Black Sea theater of operations (in the case of Kiev's support from the NATO Joint Armed Forces), the above air defense systems will be able to intercept enemy air attack weapons without revealing their own location for interferometric phased antenna arrays of on-board radio intelligence systems 55000 AEELS and high-precision RTR complexes of directional action CS-2010 "Hawk", integrated into avionics of strategic radio-technical reconnaissance aircraft RC-135V / W Block 8 "Rivet Joint" (which literally daily patrol along our southern air lines).

As for the analysis of the level of concealment of the above combat units of our ground military equipment in positions, here it was about the effectiveness of its concealment from the SYERS-2B / C onboard turret multispectral optoelectronic complexes installed on the UAVs of strategic radar and optoelectronic reconnaissance RQ- 4B Block 40.

The most piquant and revealing moment is the coincidence of the Tu-204ON air mission with the Global Hawk reconnaissance flight near the southern air lines of Crimea.

The routes of the reconnaissance flight of the UAV strategic OE- / RLR RQ-4B "Global Hawk" (left) and the mission of the aircraft optical-electronic surveillance / reconnaissance Tu-204ON (right)

Obviously, the main task of the operators of optoelectronic complexes and aerial cameras (DAC-F and longer-focus optoelectronic devices of higher magnification / zoom), placed on board the Tu-204ON and previously used for arms control under the Open Skies Treaty, was to ensure ideal concealment from the Global Hawk optoelectronic means of the equipment positions of those artillery and missile subunits of the Russian Army, which were hastily "mirror-like" redeployed closer to the border with the Kherson region to apply a powerful counter-battery "response" to the firing positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event of provocations from sides of Kiev on the Russian-Ukrainian border.

Moreover, during the operation on the Yeysk - Dzhankoy section of the route, the Tu-204ON onboard optoelectronic systems could also provide operators and the Russian Aerospace Forces command with a wide range of information regarding how the formation of an offensive armored fist carried out by the 36th separate brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of the Marine Corps »On Novoazovskiy ON near Mariupol, and Ukrainian mechanized units being transferred to the northern border of the Republic of Crimea.

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[Uncle lee]

a number of countermeasures of an operational-strategic nature aimed at promptly arresting the threat that has arisen.

There is also a preemptive strike!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from Uncle Lee

There is also a preemptive strike!

This is an overkill, it seems to me, but it is not enough to voice only defensive capabilities, we must directly declare an "asymmetric" (in the sense of "we will not leave a stone unturned") answer!

[Uncle lee]

Putin noted: “50 years ago Leningradskaya Street taught me one rule: if a fight is inevitable, you have to hit first.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote from Uncle Lee

hit first

No.
Not in this case.
Otherwise, Russia will indeed become an aggressor country.
We'll have to wait for an attack from their side and victims from ours. Unfortunately.

[Uncle lee]

And in any case, we will be the aggressor: the Ukrainians will shoot, if they will climb, in short, they will provoke a response and will shout that they are victims of Russian aggression!
remember how Sahak yelled that Russia was the FIRST to attack little Georgia .... Only then did they figure out that the aggressor was Georgia, but the first statement remained in the memory of the Europeans.

[Civil]

1. These weak-willed will trample in the attack on the LPR, they will not have enough health to attack the Crimea.
2. Russia will send volunteers and vacationers as part of a pair of armies.
3. Mariupol and Kharkiv will be taken
4. The EU and the US are screaming at the whole world, wringing their hands.
5. Introduce an embargo on the purchase of oil and gas from the Russian Federation.

The bottom line:
1. Ukraine in post-war devastation.
2. The economic crisis is getting worse in Russia.
3. The EU has to buy expensive LNG from the USA.
4. The State Department is pleased with the ruin of the EU, Russia and the collapse of Ukraine.
5. The cunning PRC will take the resources of Moscow for barter.

The main hegemons of the planet - the United States and China, will benefit from this war. Perhaps this makes war inevitable.

[Alien From]

Pessimistic, of course, but it looks like the truth ...

[Alex777]

Does not look like it.
For the United States, this means a military alliance between Russia and China.
And the refusal of oil and gas for the West in the current situation is unbearable.
Russia's withdrawal from the market will sharply raise prices in the midst of a pandemic.
It was Zelensky who whistled from Washington, China pushed it, regardless of the consequences. And in Europe they know how to count money.
And everyone will understand who is to blame.
And I strongly hope that there will be no stopping in Kharkov.
Everything, up to and including Kiev, must be occupied forever.

[Alien From]

I would like to! But now it is unlikely.

[Alex777]

I would like to! But now it is unlikely.

If you don’t trample, then you are right.
And if a command has already been given, then I do not envy them.
Denazification of Ukraine is the most important task!
No matter how funny it is, the one who stopped our past offensive in Ukraine is vitally interested in the current one.

[bistrov.]

Quote: Civil

Perhaps this makes war inevitable.

Destroy the NATO bridgehead of the so-called. "Ukraine", in any case, is necessary, otherwise, in the future it will turn into a much greater disaster than a simple economic crisis.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The very existence of the "state of Ukraine" in its current form is a threat to our security. In addition, all the time of its "independence" the authorities of this country were engaged in petty political and economic blackmail of our country. I understand that our peoples have a lot in common in history, but Ukraine must be destroyed. And let our former brothers not be offended. This is their merit. They chose their own power. Nothing personal, but our citizens should live in peace and not wait for the next dirt to be thrown by the Ukrainian colony.

[Alex777]

Ukraine must be destroyed.

Absolutely not!
Ukrina must be freed from the Nazis.
Return to home harbor 2.0.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

So you return it! At the same time, take all of its population, for maintenance, at YOUR expense. If you are so "patriotic"

[Alex777]

The need to return Ukraine is predetermined.
These are the historical lands from which Russia began to be created.
And the fact that a part of our people was temporarily confused / intimidated does not mean that from this they ceased to be a part of our people.
In the Second World War, we won together with the majority of the inhabitants of Ukraine.
And the Bender minority - so were the Vlasovites in Russia.
And now they are. Do you understand who I mean?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

These are the historical lands from which Russia began to be created
First, it is an independent state and an independent subject of international law. Secondly, if the investigator is your logic, then Alaska is the former lands of the Russian Empire, and the Principality of Finland, Poland, and so on. Your emotions, in my opinion, prevent you from looking at things soberly. Before talking about such deep questions, you need to think about the future, your people, first of all. I am sincerely sorry, like you, for the loss of a part of the historical lands that once belonged to OUR COUNTRY, historically. But if you are so worried about this, then I can offer you another option: Let the current Ukraine economically, rejuvenate its economy, at least until the state of 1992, and only then, you are welcome, to our table. And taking on the balance sheet, impoverished and plundered territory, with a population of about 20 million people only from "brotherly" feelings, is stupidity. We had too many "fraternal parties" and "fraternal peoples" which constantly had to be maintained and dated. And your own people, when will it be "dear and brotherly"? And then, Ukraine really wanted "to Europe". There "lace panties" and all the blessings of the world .. So let it go, "to Europe." This is their legal right.

[Alex777]

Your emotions, in my opinion, prevent you from looking at things soberly.

At my age, I had already learned not to succumb to emotions.
The population of the country is a great resource, although you are right for re-education - you will have to spend money.
But the border of Russia must be moved to the West. What would this West not hang on our ears about the independent state of Ukraine.
For you personally: Syria is also an independent state, only the States do not pay any attention to this.
Yugoslavia was an independent state.
And in layouts, potential matters.
It is necessary to work to increase the potential of Russia.
The annexation of Crimea dramatically increased the potential.
The world has approached the transition to a new technological order.
The United States needs sanctions against us and confrontation with China so that both we and China do not move to a new level.
Therefore, they come up with any nonsense about the poisoning of the Skripals and Navalny, about interference in the elections, about paying the Afghans for the killed Yankees, etc., etc.
There would have been sanctions even if we had not taken Crimea. It is necessary to understand and calm down.
This also explains why the president in the States was chosen exactly as they chose.
I see no point in writing more on this topic here. If you want, you will find all the details yourself. At the same time, you will understand why your economical position is flawed. You regret money for people ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

You regret money for people ...
I regret people, in the first place. If there are no people, then the money will not be enough for them.

[Alex777]

I regret people, in the first place. If there are no people, then the money will not be enough for them.

So you understand that another 20 of the Russian-speaking population would be very useful to us.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Not. I do not understand. out of 20.000.000 people, half of the population is with the psychology of Bandera. What was in the Lviv region after the Second World War is now ten times more, and throughout Ukraine.

[Alex777]

It means that you have no acquaintances in Ukraine and you do not know anything about what is actually happening there.
I have many acquaintances and friends there.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Do not doubt. Every year I visit my mother-in-law and communicate with ordinary people. In addition, literally last month, I spoke with an employee who himself comes from central Ukraine. His words are literally: "It's just horror. This is a foreign country. We are a people they hate, most Ukrainians. I have nothing to do there." So, don't try to tell me about the moods of ordinary people.

[Alex777]

Every year I visit my mother-in-law

This explains a lot.

[Vlad5307]

5. The cunning PRC will take the resources of Moscow for barter.
The main hegemons of the planet - the United States and China, will benefit from this war. Perhaps this makes war inevitable.

What kind of barter can we talk about, if only about the details of radio electronics, and even then for domestic use, for military purposes are produced within the country. And China feeds on Russian wheat and not only it.

[Sergey777]

You are mistaken, dear, of course, if you call our electronics Chinese crystals packed in plastic, then electronics exists. Over the past 10 years, I have not seen a single device assembled on a domestic element base. Our name is Russian, and if you open the device, ours is not from the word at all. If there’s anything about communication, walkie-talkies and other crap. This makes my soul very insulting and sad.

[BigValery]

For instance. For several years, Monocrystal JSC from Stavropol has been producing 47% of the world's synthetic sapphire and more than 12% of the global market for metallization pastes used in the manufacture of products for solar energy. But despite today's achievements, the company plans to double its production next year.

[Nikolaich]

Well, break, don't build. The last 5-10 years in the USSR they worked more on take-out, how sad it is to realize this. Military acceptance rejected up to 90% of radioelements intended for the space industry. Documentation and technology were transported to the west by carriages.
And nevertheless, they kept something. How we managed it, of course, we will not know. But Dagger and Peresvet, Petrel and Poseidon did not appear out of thin air.
Electronics does not appear ready-made - transistors, microcircuits, processors, etc. And now it has begun to appear. "In 2020, Russia's export of polymers in primary forms grew by 74% and amounted to 2,61 million tons."

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Of course not enough, but this is only the first stage - the Zapsibneftekhim complex in Tobolsk. Others are on the way.
It is regrettable that we, Russia, may not be given 15-20 years of quiet development. Perhaps, in the granaries of the Motherland, something else will be found, lethal, for our "Western" and other "partners".

[Alex777]

It is regrettable that we, Russia, may not be given 15-20 years of quiet development.

I assure you that the States will not have any calm development either.

[Sergey777]

That gentlemen, the minusers of the CBO have been going on for more than a year, but the connection has remained as it was, about three weeks ago the boys called and asked how to set up the Chinese Baofengi (shit)

[Zaurbek]

The plan is good. For such a cunning plan, you need to invest in Ukraine, create an efficient army. And send to fight. While it will be "a gift for the Russian Federation and the LDNR ... with the growth of territories. And the appearance there of the BAZ of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation,

[tsvetkov1274]

Until May, until SP2 is completed, this option is possible.

[businessv]

Quote from Uncle Lee

And in any case, we will be the aggressor:

100%, but it's not worth paying much attention to, I think. If in any case we are extreme, then we need to act without looking back.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

In any case, the EU will feel sorry for its "lowered" Ukrainians. They are already sleeping under the bunker of Europe. So it doesn't matter what they call us. We will always be a bone in the throat for the EU.

[Lech from Android.]

We'll have to wait for an attack from their side and victims from ours. Unfortunately.

In 2008, they waited. Dozens of our citizens died and they all imposed sanctions against us early and also called us aggressors.
Does it make sense to step on the same rake again.

[kupitman]

The Teliavini Commission confirmed that Russia is not an aggressor. But the answer was too harsh.
So Russia is not an aggressor there.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: kupitman

Russia is not an aggressor.

And you explain this to the Georgians! For them, Russia is an aggressor .... And their favorite word is annexation!

[bistrov.]

Quote from Uncle Lee

And you explain this to the Georgians!

What else, something, to "explain" to someone, let them wipe themselves off in silence.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: bistrov.

let them wipe themselves off in silence.

Wipe it, don't wipe it, and the drool-snot fly right up to Moscow! And from a peasant to Burjanadze, Russia is considered an aggressor ... The propaganda did a good job!

[Alex777]

And you explain this to the Georgians! For them, Russia is an aggressor ...

In 1974, the SA dispersed the uprising of the Abkhaz against the Georgians.
Do not know? And I was there at that time.

[Karabin]

Quote: Jacket in stock

We'll have to wait for an attack from their side and victims from ours.

Attacks on Rublevka and victims among the Rotenbergs?

[Horon]

Attacks on Rublevka and victims among the Rotenbergs?

And if you think about it? Here is one of the many options: Russia is made a "pariah country" by completely collapsing the economy (since Russia is now a capitalist country, and therefore its mobilization economic potential is very low), at the same time, due to Russia's "aggressive behavior", an attack on the Kaliningrad region (NATO) is taking place. At the same time, there is a "cleansing" of Abkhazia and South Ossetia by Georgia, with the direct fate of Turkey, the NDP is returning by force into the arms of Moldova with the support of Romania and NATO, the expulsion of Russian troops from Syria (NATO, Turkey as independent interested parties, Israel), the occupation of the Kuriles by Japan under full support of the West. Are you ready for this development? The demonization of Russia has been going on for several years now, and the "enlightened and civilized" world will gladly support the war against Russia! Two factors of modern Russia nullify any of its claims: a weak economy highly dependent on international markets, wasted time for drastic decisions, which was used by opponents to weaken its position.

[Wedmak]

Let's think about it. What you have described fits very well under the definition of "a threat to the integrity and independence of the country." And where it is spelled out and what actions can be in response, I think you know very well. After that, some kind of sanctions and isolation are the least significant threats.
So, a simultaneous attack from all sides, on the 3-4 theater of operations: who is the first in line for the next world? I think the Japanese will fly, as in the least populated theater of operations. The rest of the distribution of buns will be only after a warning and a few bloody skirmishes.

[Horon]

Let's think about it. What you described fits very well under the definition of "a threat to the integrity and independence of the country."

It does not fit, since theoretically there remains a chance to return the territories, it will be necessary to simply fulfill the requirements of NATO / Washington. An ultimatum will be delivered in which the fulfillment of the requirements will be directly related to the return of territories and the use of nuclear weapons will become disproportionate to the threat. After the seizure of the Kaliningrad region and the Kuril Islands, there will be no further movement into the interior of the country; the use of nuclear weapons in this situation will turn out to be like suicide. Do you think we will have enough strength and the ability to recapture territories only with conventional weapons, in conditions of an economic blockade and limited resources of our own? Do not forget that capitalism in Russia, and it always has a lower mobilization potential!

[Wedmak]

since theoretically there remains a chance to return the territories, it will be necessary to simply fulfill the requirements of NATO / Washington.

I wonder what these requirements will be ... I really want to know the amount of impudence.
I understood you correctly: we are not recapturing Kaliningrad and the Kuriles, but simply fulfilling ALL NATO requirements, and then COULD they come back? I wonder what the people will think about such ... military leaders. And everyone knows how the US and NATO are implementing treaties. Giving little at first, then we will lose everything, tk. appetites will grow - this is the main feature of the Anglo-Saxons.

Do you think we will have enough strength and the ability to recapture territories only with conventional weapons, in conditions of an economic blockade and limited resources of our own?

We can inflict unacceptable damage on them ANYWHERE. After all, both Kaliningrad and the Kuril Islands are located within the reach of our conventional weapons located on our territory. This time.
Second, in order to capture Kaliningrad and control it, NATO will have to send quite a lot of troops there, concentrating them both in the city and in the surrounding area. And no one canceled the partisan war ... And a flock of CDs can easily fly from the mainland. The Kuril Islands are even more serious: there is an island. And this is supply by sea, under the gun of coastal missile systems and aviation. Even if the AUG comes up there (which is hardly a very tasty target), again, it will fly well from the mainland.

Do not forget that capitalism in Russia, and it always has a lower mobilization potential!

Suddenly, there is capitalism in the US too. NATO and the more so the United States are very afraid of losses, a war with the Russian Federation over small territories, at the sight of very advanced systems - it's not to drive barefoot terrorists with Kalash in Afghanistan and Iraq. And after the first few hundred coffins, they will really think about whether the game was worth the candle.

[Nikolaich]

Reread the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of June 2, 2020 No. 355 "On the Fundamentals of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence"

[Horon]

What you have described fits very well under the definition of "a threat to the integrity and independence of the country." And where it is spelled out and what actions can be in response, I think you know very well.

If we are ousted from Moldova, Georgia, Syria - where is the threat to integrity here? The only option is the blockade of Kaliningrad and the seizure of the Kuriles, but where exactly then will nuclear weapons be used? For some reason, I doubt that they will immediately hit on Japanese territory, rather on the captured islands. The harsh blockade of Kaliningrad may end, but the economic blockade of the North Korean type will remain.

So, a simultaneous attack from all sides, on the 3-4 theater of operations: who is the first in line for the next world?

Do you think they think differently? We are not immortal either! Their capabilities are many times higher, which means that they will always find more who want to fight with us. Asian terrorist organizations, Georgians, Ukrainians, Poles, Moldovans, Romanians, Balts, Africans, etc. Not everyone there will want to fight, and this is not necessary, but if it is well paid, they will be recruited, trained and armed, set on and will wait when Russia will run out of steam.

[meandr51]

Do you think that there is a choice and it is better to wait while in Washington they themselves come up with a pretext and fabricate an incident? And then strike at a convenient moment for them?
I think that it is necessary to clean up everyone, suddenly and immediately: Japan, Poland, Romania, the Baltic States, Ukraine. Preferably with the use of TNW. And the rest will be promised to be razed to the ground not only when the Armed Forces move, but also when trying to impose a blockade and sanctions. They will surely believe ... And then they will fall in love!
There will be no answer. There will be no one to answer. The states will drown in their own screeching, but they will not fit in for Europe and Japan. Because they want to live more than us. China will remain on our side. But if Japan starts first, then it is not known ...

[Horon]

I think that it is necessary to clean up everyone, suddenly and immediately: Japan, Poland, Romania, the Baltic States, Ukraine. Preferably with the use of TNW.

And die right after that? Are you ready for this yourself? You will be surprised how many people around you will disagree with you! And how many people you don't know!

[kit88]

Interestingly you argue. "Are you ready ... your friends ..."
When the stakes are raised so high, no one will hold a referendum on whether we will fight or stay in huts. All conventions and contracts will fade into the background. Who is right and who is wrong - the winners will decide.
The decision will be made by a narrow circle of people.
And in fact, if the enemy seizes part of the Russian Federation and issues an ultimatum, then a counter ultimatum about responding with ALL available forces and means will not be long in coming. And let's see who has stronger Faberge. And then we'll see who still owes whom and will pay the indemnity. Unless, of course, there is someone to pay.

[Horon]

When the stakes are raised so high, no one will hold a referendum on whether we will fight or stay in huts.

What are the rates? What referendum? It was asserted that they would attack Ukraine first by succumbing to provocations. From that moment on, Russia becomes an officially recognized aggressor. Further, the principle of counteraction can enter: the "victim", that is, Ukraine is provided with comprehensive assistance from Western and not only countries, and so that "Russia does not threaten its neighbors" and "to contain the regime" (these will be their words), a complete blockade will be introduced from all directions (here you can rely on our eastern and southern neighbors as much as you like, but if it is "explained" to them that this is not beneficial to them, then they will also take part in the blockade). Then Georgians and Moldovans can be set on. Those receive the go-ahead and military assistance "to restore sovereignty over the lost territories." Discontent begins within the country. A quick victory in Ukraine will not work; The PMR, Abkhazia and South Ossetia are suppressed in the most brutal way, and our soldiers present are expelled to the territory of Russia or are taken prisoner. The blockade of straits and airspace makes our base in Syria vulnerable, the demand "Assad must leave!" Is again raised. The war in Syria flares up with renewed vigor and the SAA, having lost support in the person of the RA, begins to lose territory. Iranian troops are neutralized by the Israeli and NATO military. The Russian base in Syria is turning into a "suitcase without a handle"! If this is not enough, then more conflicts are provoked, for example, the Japanese claims to the Kuril Islands are blessed under the pretext of "Moscow's aggressive behavior" and the Japanese land on them under the cover of both their army and navy and the United States. Perhaps Russia can even be given the opportunity to fight for them, but in the conditions of the blockade, it will not be long. If this is not enough, then after half a year of the blockade of Kaliningrad, they can work on a referendum on the entry of this territory into the EU. In the conditions of complete demoralization of the population and Moscow's inability to take control over the enclaves, the conditions of the ultimatum will also change. In theory, the seizure of the territory will take place, but legally the "Crimean scenario" will be carried out. For whom it is proposed to use strategic nuclear forces is not clear. Most of those who are now calling to go to conquer Ukraine and scold the government will scold it even more in those conditions when it will be necessary to work hard for stew for 12-20 hours a day with no prospects for improving conditions. And if, in the conditions of contempt for the authorities, several nuclear missiles fly to Moscow, then many local hat-takers will abruptly forget about their calls here to start a war with Ukraine! This is your answer to this:

And in fact, if the enemy seizes part of the Russian Federation and issues an ultimatum, then a counter ultimatum about responding with ALL available forces and means will not be long in coming

How are you going to fight if even now they constantly remember that "cooperative", then "snickering Aligarhs"? Or will you start scolding them less under martial law?

And let's see who has stronger Faberge. And then we'll see who still owes whom and will pay the indemnity. Unless, of course, there is someone to pay.

This is generally a kindergarten. "The whole world is in dust," but they will pay the continuation!)))

[nikon7717]

If this is not enough, then after half a year of the blockade of Kaliningrad, they can work on a referendum on the entry of this territory into the EU. In the conditions of complete demoralization of the population and Moscow's inability to take control over the enclaves, the conditions of the ultimatum will also change. Theoretically, the seizure of the territory will take place, but legally the "Crimean scenario" will be carried out

What can I say ... From Kaliningrad I will tell you that this part of your 200% fantasy, completely out of touch with reality regarding the state of affairs in the Kaliningrad region, including self-sufficiency. Today the region is fully self-sufficient with all foodstuffs. Plus, I suspect you are not aware of the fact that oil is also produced here. And also a huge underground gas storage has been built. I will not talk about the presence of military bases with advanced weapons.

[Horon]

Today the region is fully self-sufficient with all food

There is still no blockade of this enclave, but how much will the safety reserves be enough in the event of a total blockade? They have nowhere to rush, they will cut the borders with Poland and Lithuania, overtake the troops there, block the port and wait for the first shot from the Russian side, after which they will methodically and leisurely begin to shoot the enclave from all sides. It is possible that it will be possible to break through Belarus, but this requires the support of Belarus and gathering a sufficiently powerful fist in the conditions of hostilities in Ukraine. The use of nuclear weapons for tactical purposes will lead to a chain reaction to the total use of the entire list of nuclear weapons by all parties. Holding the Kuril Islands will be even more difficult. This is the alignment under existing conditions.

[nikon7717]

What can I say to the phrase

They have nowhere to rush, they will cut the borders with Poland and Lithuania, overtake troops there, block the port and

You obviously did not even study the geography of Prussia (I note, the origin of the word Old Russian in Russia) did not study, even according to Wiki. The port of Kaliningrad is a civilian port. And in Baltiysk the main base of the Baltic Fleet. This is just a note

[Horon]

You obviously did not even study the geography of Prussia (I note, the origin of the word Old Russian in Russia) did not study, even according to Wiki. The port of Kaliningrad is a civilian port. 

And here is Prussia, if I'm talking about the Kaliningrad enclave ??? Does the above mentioned by you somehow cancel the fact of the possibility of the blockade of Kaliningrad? First, read the history of the defense of Sevastopol, there was also a seriously organized defense, but ..., without support from the "mainland", this defense turned into a place of mass heroism and the same mass cemetery. You must always understand such dangers, include them in your analysis, develop, if possible, countermeasures and not consider the enemy as alternatively gifted, even if he behaves this way and, on the contrary, compel the enemy to underestimate us!

[clerk]

... There is still no blockade of this enclave, but how much will the reserves of safety be enough in the event of a total blockade? They have nowhere to rush, they will cut the borders with Poland and Lithuania, overtake troops there, block the port and wait for the first shot from the Russian side, after which they will methodically and leisurely begin to shoot the enclave from all sides

You are some kind of strange .... Declaration of a blockade is, according to international law, an act of declaration of war. After that, this blockade is demonstratively violated by a merchant steamer, accompanied by some old corvette, and let them take the risk of shooting.

[Horon]

international law act of declaration of war

Horon (Charon Erebovich) March 12, 2021 13:30

Attacks on Rublevka and victims among the Rotenbergs?

And if you think about it? Here is one of the many options: Russia is made a "pariah country" by completely collapsing the economy (since Russia is now a capital country, accordingly its mobilization economic potential is very low), at the same time, due to Russia's "aggressive behavior", an attack on the Kaliningrad region (NATO) is taking place,

The conversation began with this statement and my response to this provocative remark. As soon as Russia appears as an "aggressor", what will prevent this? What happened to Yugoslavia? There was not even an attack on a neighboring state! Iraq! After that, they even stopped asking the UN for permission. They will declare war, as it were, not on Russia, it will be Putin, Shoigu, the virtual "regime", the Russian army in the role of "terrorists" - which will seem more convincing to their own plebs and Russian false liberals (it would be more correct to call them marginals and anarchists). The main thing for the rest of the population of Russia is to sow uncertainty and confusion in the soul, because they are fighting not against the people of Russia, but against a "regime" which "not only spreads rot on the people and supports the oligarchs, but also cannot even ensure the safety and dignified existence of its subjects." Example Syria, Libya. The only difference is that they managed to hide external aggression under the guise of internal confrontation between the state and the opposition, which is not yet possible in Russia, therefore they will look for opportunities, including with the help of military pressure on Russia, in order to encourage internal arsonists and provoke the bulk of the opposition-minded population to a violent confrontation with the authorities, after which one can forget about the protection of the nuclear umbrella.

[meandr51]

Russia is already an aggressor. And Putin is a killer. Biden said that. So what? Russia was simply untied. It became clear that any attempt to ensure Russia's security is aggression.
There is nothing left to lose. In addition, in the event of a major war, everyone will accuse each other of aggression. But this will no longer interest anyone. Because the media will be cut out completely.
Only commanders will speak.

[clerk]

... The use of nuclear weapons for tactical purposes will lead to a chain reaction to the total use of the entire list of nuclear weapons by all parties.

Not a fact at all.

[Horon]

Quote: clerk

... The use of nuclear weapons for tactical purposes will lead to a chain reaction to the total use of the entire list of nuclear weapons by all parties.

Not a fact at all.

Fact! The only exception is the use of nuclear weapons on their own territory, then they will only be condemned and will again switch from military confrontation to slow economic and political strangulation, with the provision of direct assistance to any opposition, if only it pursues their interests.

[clerk]

... Not a fact at all.
//////:
Fact! The only exception is the use of nuclear weapons on its own territory.

Well, let's say a Japanese amphibious formation in Russian territorial waters. Or on the enemy troops just crossed the Russian-Polish border. Or at enemy ships or missile or artillery positions, from which the shelling of Russian territory began.

[Horon]

Or on the enemy troops just crossed the Russian-Polish border.

"Just-only" is not suitable, you need your own territory for the enemy to gain a foothold in it, to justify the use of nuclear weapons. Here the question is also another - who will get more from its use ?! If, for example, the island captured by the Japanese is aligned with the ocean floor, having previously evacuated the entire population from it, this will turn out to be a convincing demonstration for the opponents and have minimal losses for Russia, but the use of nuclear weapons near the besieged Kaliningrad ..., I'm not sure that the enemy will get more !

[clerk]

... Only just "it is not suitable, it is precisely its own territory that is needed for the enemy to gain a foothold on it, to justify the use of nuclear weapons. There is also another question - who will get more from its use?! his entire population - this will turn out to be a convincing demonstration for the opponents and have minimal losses for Russia, but the use of nuclear weapons near the besieged Kaliningrad ..., I'm not sure that the enemy will get more!

This can be publicly warned - at least one artillery shot at the territory of the Kaliningrad region - we use tactical nuclear weapons to defeat enemy troops.

[meandr51]

Japan and Eastern Europe can be erased completely. The United States will forget about them immediately. Nobody will need them anymore. Why substitute your own territory? We can erase the USA too. Moreover, in parts. They are in our ports - we are in their ports. Etc. They have something to lose more ...

[meandr51]

Not a fact, but one of the hypotheses. Because there was no precedent. In the end, a nuclear war for the planet will pass almost unnoticed. The power of the charges is too low. The Mexican meteorite alone is estimated at 100 Teraton TNT. The funnel is only 180 km away. Any volcano throws out more ash than all warheads. Any thunderstorm is many times more powerful than a nuclear charge.

[Siberian54]

"funeral". Wet dreams .. This scenario could have worked at the beginning of zero .. But the train left and the clowns remained on the platform.

[Azzzwer]

You, just the same, described the scenario of the beginning of the third world war, where Russia is not kicked only by the lazy !!!

[Horon]

Quote: Azzzwer

You, just the same, described the scenario of the beginning of the third world war, where Russia is not kicked only by the lazy !!!

And what have you already stopped kicking? But the third world is not yet in your understanding, but in a sluggish form it has been going on for a long time.

[Azzzwer]

Well, the war between Japan and China, too, at first was not considered the beginning of WWII.

[bistrov.]

Quote: Horon

And if you think about it? Here is one of many options: Russia is made a "pariah country"

Stop scaring us here, the "Western world" is no longer the same, just as Russia is not the same as in the 90s.

[Horon]

Quote: bistrov.

Quote: Horon

And if you think about it? Here is one of many options: Russia is made a "pariah country"

Stop scaring us here, the "Western world" is no longer the same, just as Russia is not the same as in the 90s.

I wrote not so that someone would be scared, but in order to see the picture of the world a little more than a computer monitor screen and feel the soft upholstery of my own sofa under my heel! The world is much larger and harder than a hat thrown on the screen and is unlikely to scare an enemy who is loading bombs onto an airplane that will bomb you. Therefore, both Putin and the Foreign Ministry are spinning like snakes in a frying pan trying not to unleash a serious war and not lose power. Unlike us, they have much more detailed and detailed information about the world.

[nikon7717]

I'll write again. You are out of touch with reality somewhere. Today, everything is tied to the economy and profit, nothing more, only business, clean with a long-term perspective. You are burning about the blockade of the Russian Federation. Let us suppose. And in response, we are blocking the supply of VSMPO products, these are titanium, titanium engine blades and load-bearing elements of Boeings and airbuses ... Bottom line? Count how such production will stand, for lard bucks, and subcontractors, and along the chain of flight payments from insurers .. nornickel is a supplier of elements for alloying and rzm. How much fun ... Let your fantastic Witania down.

[Horon]

You are living in some kind of fantasy. When America becomes more comfortable getting everything in the future without problems, they can easily spit on temporary financial problems. With China, the sanctions wars are arranged without much bothering with economic losses, and there the volume of losses is a couple of orders of magnitude higher. They have already lost a lot of money by the current sanctions, but this did not stop them much, although our leadership hoped for the preponderance of commercial benefits over political ones - it did not grow together. They have a long-term prospect of getting everything later and on their own terms, so they are willing to be patient now.
PS Now gasoline is getting more expensive and people are ready to scold the government with the last words, what these people will do if they have to put the cars on the joke at all due to the lack of spare parts. And many more things will come out that we ourselves do not do, but without which we cannot imagine life.

[nikon7717]

About a lot of things we do not do ... Look at the cycle of programs military acceptance on TV star about motors, turbines. Read the reviews. Honestly, I looked and was happy. Tired of the whiners who are always bad. There is no only black or white. I want good news about the achievements of my colleagues

[Horon]

I want good news about the achievements of my colleagues

In this we are in solidarity with you, but I am dealing with industrial production and I am aware of what we do and what we don’t do. And we cannot do everything in the modern world, even China cannot, although it has more human resources. Those who say that the Soviet Union did everything on its own - also do not have to believe, a lot of things were purchased, and some issues were resolved by reducing the range of goods or their quality.

[meandr51]

Nobody will bomb us. All they can answer to the "seizure of Crimea" is to wag their tails outside the line that we have indicated to them. Otherwise, the war would have been going on in Crimea for a long time. The same applies to the rest of our homeland by deception.

[pudelartemon]

One vigorous loaf - just one! - in any direction, and most likely in Japan, and everything will stop instantly. All attacks are over. Well, out of luck japam

[clerk]

... Here is one of the many options: Russia is made a "pariah country" by completely collapsing the economy (since Russia is now a capitalist country, therefore its mobilization economic potential is very low), at the same time, due to the "aggressive behavior" of Russia, an attack on the Kaliningrad region (NATO) takes place. At the same time, there is a "cleansing" of Abkhazia and South Ossetia by Georgia, with the direct fate of Turkey, the NDP is returning by force into the arms of Moldova with the support of Romania and NATO, the expulsion of Russian troops from Syria (NATO, Turkey as independent interested parties, Israel), the occupation of the Kuril Islands by Japan under full support of the West. Are you ready for this development?

At least Russia is more ready for this than the collective West and Japan to boot. Which did not dare to attack the USSR even in November 1941. Although the rates were significantly higher than the two islands.

[Charik]

How many rublevsky bots read-rotenberg bots

[Terenin]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote from Uncle Lee

hit first

No.
Not in this case.
Otherwise, Russia will indeed become an aggressor country.
We'll have to wait for an attack from their side and victims from ours. Unfortunately.

There are many factors to consider and calculate. Only at a glance, dilettante ...
Is there an immediate threat to the existence of the entire state or neighboring countries loyal to Russia (as when using a service weapon to kill, for example, in the police)?
What kind of weapon to fuck and its consequences?
How long will this or that ammunition last?
What will be the field of impact?
Who provokes to strike, where and why?
Who to shandrach against? Where are these decision-making headquarters?
Who benefits from a provocation to involve us in an exhausting military mess?
Who (which state) does time work for?
Have we cleared our space from the "fifth column"?
Have we prepared our platform for social networks, financial independence? ...

That, in my opinion, is the difference between responsibility after a strike, in a fight in a gateway, and in geopolitical space.

[vladimirvn]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Otherwise, Russia will indeed become an aggressor country.
We'll have to wait for an attack from their side and victims from ours. Unfortunately.

..And we get 1941. Then they also tried to divert any suspicions from themselves, so that we would not be called an aggressor country.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

I will not write anything new. Just to duplicate the comment from March 7th:

This flight had a wonderful route: both a check and a warning to some overly hot lads!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Is it really necessary to be afraid of the image of an "aggressor country"? Look at the Americans. They dropped an atomic bomb on a peaceful city and live quite normally and do not worry. And no one would think of calling the United States an "aggressor".

[Siberian54]

"Andrei Nikolaevich" \ And a third of young Japanese believe that Stalin bombed them .. They are not afraid for their image because they control about 95% of the world's news media. And we have only two and so far relatively scanty audience, slightly different from zero.

[Charik]

41st will not work - these are not rifles with tanks and airplanes with cast iron

[PSih2097]

Quote: Charik

41st will not work - these are not rifles with tanks and airplanes with cast iron

oh well, the army that is now will burn out in battles in two to three weeks (maximum month), our army has forgotten how to fight on a large scale - at the corps / army level, and not as usually shown by BTG (as a maximum, a brigade - a pair of regiments + tank reinforcement company, air defense / missile defense division and battery arts) ...
And then we will go into battle - the call of the second and third order (40 - 50 years old), those who remember the USSR and its might.

[Charik]

I'm talking about the fact that these battles will not be within visual visibility, now even artillery at 10-50 km is punching, missiles, so they will die without seeing the enemy in the face

[meandr51]

Quite right. Hitler just declared the USSR the aggressor. In the nuclear age, this is even easier to do. Nobody sees the missiles. It is not known who first started. The concept of aggression has now lost all military meaning. It only works in peacetime, while the media are working.

[Romario_Argo]

Otherwise, Russia will indeed become an aggressor country.

not. The European Union has already said its word.
Europe does not want to take into account the events in Ukraine in relations with Moscow

[Nitarius]

no .. here you need patience ... and your head .... otherwise it will not work! better bad peace .. than war! and it’s a pity for the guys .. OURS! .. so you have to be patient!

[mark1]

Quote: Nitarius

no .. here you need patience ... and head .... otherwise it will not work! a bad world is better .. than war

When his beloved wife was strangled with him, he stood beside him and persuaded: be patient, maybe everything will work out!

[your1970]

Quote: mark1

Quote: Nitarius

no .. here you need patience ... and head .... otherwise it will not work! a bad world is better .. than war

When his beloved wife was strangled with him, he stood beside him and persuaded: be patient, maybe everything will work out!

Well based on Your logic - it is necessary to immediately beat nuclear weapons in the United States. Why waste your time for any shantrap and shuzhgal, yeah ...

[mark1]

Based Of our logic should be hit on the one who now deigns to strangle the "beloved wife" and then on the one who holds her by the legs (and most importantly, so that the stranglers do not doubt the answer). AND Yours the logic is apparently described above, yeah ...

[your1970]

Quote: mark1

Based on Our logic, it is necessary to beat the one who will now deign to strangle his "beloved wife"

USA + EU are the current stranglers of the "beloved wife" and ?? !!!

[mark1]

What - "and"? USA + EU is an aggressive NATO bloc (if you didn't know). As soon as they stretch out their sweaty hands, so immediately moisten. And in your hands you will have a ruzho and fulfill your sacred duty (well, if it doesn't work out without me, then I will come too).

[your1970]

Quote: mark1

(well, if it doesn’t work out without me, then I’ll come too).

Well, of course, it's much easier to mock the NATO bloc from the couch ...
Che is really there ... the checkers are bald and galloped, ololo ...

To turn on the head and understand - if we are them, then they are us, and vice versa ... And this means that at least several tens of millions of our citizens ...

Z. Y. If you need it and you can't do without me either - then I will also come up with my 4 VUS

[mark1]

Quote: your1970

Turn on your head and understand - if we are them, then they are us, and

I remember the shame of the 80s, when "if only there was no war" led to the Israeli toilet at the door of our embassy in Lebanon and spit and contempt of everything and everything Soviet, including our tourists, even in the countries of the socialist camp. I do not want us to walk this path again, because the end is known, we have already passed ...

[your1970]

AND? Do you offer to bang right away? For any reason? Do you think they will immediately respect it ?? Will not despise ??
Oh well...

I will remind you about the Bandera who ran until 1958 ... And this was in those days when it was possible to scratch forests with divisions and hang those caught in the squares.
Any partisan movement works if and only if the local population actively supports it
This means that several million actively supported the forest brothers and ... despised Soviet power !!!
Here, within the country, not abroad ...

The USA just stupidly bought everyone, the carrot and stick method works amazingly. We won't be able to do this ...

[mark1]

Quote: your1970

AND? Do you offer to bang right away? For any reason?

You're just jerking. It is necessary to bang not for any reason, but when it is necessary, and not replace actions with empty words.
The last thing that worries me is the respect and fear of the Bendera people. This scum just had to be suppressed and if now there is such an opportunity, then it should be used

[your1970]

1)

Quote: mark1

The last thing I care about is the respect and fear of the Bendera people

- so you don't understand - that the Soviet government is nothing JUST And if she announced an amnesty, it was not out of philanthropy, but because of the impossibility of depriving them of popular support, and as a result of this, the impossibility of destroying them ..
If you don't understand this, well ....
2)

Quote: mark1

... This scum just had to be suppressed and if now there is such an opportunity, then it should be used

Exactly until that moment - until in Ukraine they start sticking a pitchfork in the back for "SUGS" and gnaw at the stripe of the Territorial Battalion - it makes no sense for us to crush the Banderaites - we will be invaders, and not liberators. Can you catch the difference?
3)

Quote: mark1

You're just jerking. It is necessary to bang not for any reason, but when it is necessary, and not replace actions with empty words.

- judging by your words

Quote: mark1

I remember the shame of the 80s, when "if only there was no war" led to the Israeli toilet at the door of our embassy in Lebanon

- for the toilet it was necessary to bang, absolutely ...

[mark1]

Quote: your1970

And if she announced an amnesty, it was not out of philanthropy, but due to the impossibility of depriving them of popular support,

Quote: your1970

It is pointless to drive the Banderaites - we will be occupiers, not liberators. Can you catch the difference?

1. I am neither a liberator nor an occupier in a foreign country without asking to be
2. Gulchatay opened the curtain on her face ... Bah! Yes, this is not "your"! well, if only 1970 ..

Quote: your1970

- for the toilet it was necessary to bang, absolutely ...

Well, for you it is not necessary ... I could draw an analogy with the example of your wife, but I do not know her (what if she is a decent person) why offend her. But in all likelihood, you would not intercede for her. Maximum - let's go, dear, from here ...
And banging is not necessary with an atomic bomb - banging must be proportionate but very painful.

[meandr51]

About the amnesty for Bandera. Nothing like this. Khrushchev is not Soviet power. He himself is a Bandera. Stalin would never have let them out of the camps.

[your1970]

Quote: meandr51

About the amnesty for Bandera. Nothing like this. Khrushchev is not Soviet power. He himself is a Bandera. Stalin would never have let them out of the camps.

Now CAREFULLY read what is written you and think -a whence in the forests were taken NEW Bandera, if passed ten (!!!!!!!!!!!) years since the end of the war, between the West and them, apart from our border guards, there is also Poland and the GDR, but they are not decreasing in number ??????
Everything is banal and simple - they were supported by the population, and on a massive scale. Where the population did not support, they were exhausted to zero in a year or two ........

[Azzzwer]

stay at home, handle it yourself

[Karabin]

Putin noted

The fight is in full swing, and he notes everything.

[mark_rod]

Chatting - don’t roll bags!

[Prisoner]

There are no universal rules. In one case, you can hit first, sometimes it is better to wait it out, or even to dump in a hurry. Retreat is the same full-fledged maneuver, both tactical and strategic. Although the third option is more for Svidomo.

[Charik]

and he also spoke in 2000m-palaces were built-where money is asked from-there is poverty in the country

[mitroha]

I agree to directly declare to the WHOLE world, in case of casualties from the citizens of the Russian Federation, wherever they are at that moment, from the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or armed groups affiliated with them, the answer will be to use all the necessary forces and means in order to ensure the safety of citizens, up to the destruction of parts and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on their territory, rocket and artillery fire and the creation of a buffer zone to ensure the security of the borders of the Russian Federation

[Karabin]

Quote: Mitroha

to directly declare to the WHOLE world, in case of victims by the citizens of the Russian Federation, wherever they are at that moment, from the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or armed groups affiliated with them

Why wait? Every day, citizens of the Russian Federation are killed on the line of contact in Donbass from the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[mitroha]

Quote: Karabin

Why wait?

Are you eager to give a pretext for a war with NATO under the auspices of the UN by attacking a sovereign country like the first? Or the introduction of "NATO peacekeepers" on the border with Russia, so they will be delighted.

[mark_rod]

In NATO, stupid people are sitting, who will fit in for some kind of Ukraine, so that white people die?

[mitroha]

Do you think they fit in for bulk and skripal? They only needed them as an excuse. And I think it is extremely short-sighted to give it to them, and even such fatty

[Horon]

Quote: mark_rod

In NATO, stupid people are sitting, who will fit in for some kind of Ukraine, so that white people die?

NATO will provide the warring Ukraine with everything it needs, for one and the other "meat" it will let go of the chain in other regions to Russia, doing it in such a way that the existence of the state, it seems, will not threaten anything, which will not give a reason for using "vigorous loaf" It will simply capture the most vulnerable regions, after which it will wait for a fire inside to provide "humanitarian aid".

[Karabin]

Quote: Mitroha

attacking a type of sovereign country

You misunderstood my post, I did not offer to attack (although I am "for" the elimination of dill, as Anti-Russia). "And what to expect" referred to "declare to the whole world." Or are the citizens of the Russian Federation in the LDNR not the same citizens of the Russian Federation as in the Crimea?

Quote: Mitroha

You can't wait to give a pretext for a war with NATO under the auspices of the UN by attacking a sovereign country like the first

We turn on the logic. What is Crimea for NATO and the UN? That's right, part of the sovereign Ukraine. AND..?

[mitroha]

You misunderstood my post

I'm sorry if so
And the answer to the second part of our post:
Crimea is de facto and de jure part of Russia, no matter who fantasizes there. All the signs of a referendum were observed there. And you can get to the bottom if you want, but everything will be very shaky. The same cannot be said about the republics.
This, of course, does not change my opinion that the republics, if they wish, should be part of the Russian Federation. Yes, in fact, like the entire center and south of Ukraine. The only minus I see in this option is the common border with the Bandera in the west

[Karabin]

Quote: Mitroha

Crimea is de facto and de jure part of Russia, no matter who fantasizes there.

And who admitted it? Even the CSTO allies did not deign. For the west, Crimea is Ukropovsky. His return to Russia is considered annexation. De jure and de facto, and reinforce this with sanctions. Is annexation a reason for NATO? But no, only sanctions. Why will they go to war for the republics?

[mitroha]

Saying and acting are different things. They can say anything, but they perfectly understand the realities.
And sanctions are not an indicator. Squeaky, oval, don't you think that this is our job? They don't give a damn for what to impose sanctions, so they found chemical weapons in our country and are imposing sanctions for it, although they themselves did not begin to destroy their own under the treaty. The thief, as always, screams the loudest.

[meandr51]

Have you forgotten about Crimea? They will not have time to enter anything.

[meandr51]

Is this Ukraine a sovereign country? Besides, there is always a reason. For example, the water cut off in the Crimea.

[Ka-52]

Why wait? Every day, citizens of the Russian Federation are killed on the line of contact in Donbass from the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

you have complete freedom not to wait. You go to Rostov, from there to Donetsk. There you turn to any military registration and enlistment office, write a statement and that's it - you are on the defense of the citizens of the Russian Federation. Only usually those who shout for protection the most are the least likely to go to the trenches, preferring to fight on the Internet.

[dauria]

I agree to directly declare to the WHOLE world

There is no need to declare anything. Khrushchev introduced the "full" readiness level.
And the world, including the United States, understood everything perfectly. Just don't bluff, but really be ready to start the trade.

[Bow]

<...>
Why waste for nothing?
I hit first then
I hit first then - It was necessary.
<...>

[Simargl]

Quote from Uncle Lee

There is also a preemptive strike!

Of course it is possible. Technically...
But then we will lose more: they will be declared an aggressor, they will put almost the entire globe against us. Therefore, they provoke, if on the contrary, they will be the aggressors.

[Wedmak]

will be declared an aggressor

Sooner or later it will be announced. Yes, actually already from the rostrum of the UN it is heard.

what if, on the contrary, they will be the aggressors.

If there is no one to object, they will not. The brains have powdered the population - be healthy. From every iron one hears about evil Russia ...
To arrange a small war on the territory of Ukraine and Georgia is now their primary and immediate goal. To my mind.

[Simargl]

Quote: Wedmak

Sooner or later they will announce

In addition, they announce. But in fact - a bummer, otherwise there would be little good.

Quote: Wedmak

If there is no one to object, they will not.

Until we are fooled by provocations, we can do something.

Quote: Wedmak

From every iron one hears about evil Russia ...

This is the warming up of public opinion. All the more carefully you need to act.

Quote: Wedmak

Arrange a small war on the territory of Ukraine and Georgia - now their primary and immediate goal.

THEIR!!! Let them begin. Or do you want the war to become global?

Quote: Alf

And when did it prevent them from being aggressors?

Will you learn some history, or what? It didn't bother them. It's another matter - it's easier to assemble a coalition against the aggressor.

[Alf]

Quote: Simargl

they will be the aggressors.

And when did it prevent them from being aggressors?

[meandr51]

Nobody will deliver anyone. Will not have time. And don't talk about the "globe". As long as we are strong, China and even India are on our side or neutral. The rest, except for the United States, can not be afraid, but simply smash into dust at once. Moreover, Russia will be the aggressor in any case. The United States has never "been" the aggressor and never will. Who will prove whose rocket was the first? The story is written by the winner.

[Wedmak]

The history is written by the winner.

As it turns out, it is quite possible to rewrite it, and in some cases to turn it inside out. And now the victors - the invaders, the liberated - under oppression, and the aggressors - fought against the seizure of territory. And they drank the blood of babies, yes ... I give a tooth ... (sarcasm)

[varakin_54]

Unfortunately, our shot is the second.

[Charik]

Hahaha, there is still a preemptive increase in prices for everything and a preemptive increase in the retirement age, in this regard, it is necessary to carry out a preemptive amendment to the Constitution, in order to be ahead of time for another year

[midivan]

Quote from Uncle Lee

There is also a preemptive strike!

Also not quite a subtle hint, if you look at the track of our scout ...

[iouris]

The General Staff has been preparing since 2014. Practice is the criterion of readiness.

[NDR-791]

- At first, analysis of the level of camouflage of armored vehicles, launchers of MLRS, barreled artillery units, coastal SCRC, OTRK, as well as military air defense systems and air defense systems of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian Aerospace Forces that are in passive mode
"We write that we observe, that we do not observe, we do not write." And we observe a specific equipment in positions, not in boxes. And this is correct, and this is an indicator !!! Come to admire the godfather, we seem to be ready. They will climb up - they will not climb, they will not climb - they will have a big puff and loss of combat readiness with another rampant fuss.

[TerraSandera]

The military, when they receive an order, will do it. The question is different. Will there be an order?

[Volder]

Quote: TerraSandera

The military, when they receive an order, will do it. The question is different. Will there be an order?

Attacking the enemy from your own territory without crossing the border is a common practice in the Middle East. Russia can do the same. Formally, there is no border violation or invasion. Although the Americans always invade third world countries without any permission and no regard for what the world community will say.

[mark1]

Quote: Volder

without any permission and looking back at what the world community will say.

We are part of the world community - why should we look back at ourselves?

[your1970]

Quote: Volder

Although the Americans always invade third world countries without any permission and no regard for what the world community will say.

When and if - we will have military bases in 167 (!!!!!!) countries of the world (out of 190) - we ALSO we can invade wherever and whenever we want ...
Alas not yet ....

[meandr51]

And we don't need to go there. When necessary, the American base never got in the way.

[your1970]

Quote: meandr51

And we don't need to go there. When necessary, the American base never got in the way.

come on???!!! And where have we invaded - where was US military base ???
An example would be ....

[TerraSandera]

Ie the offensive in the fall of the 14th was stopped for reasons of humanity towards the Ukrainian troops? Without looking back at warnings from overseas?

[Siberian54]

"terra sandera" Because of the threat of explosion of gas pipelines .. Such is the situevina and now they are sharply activated due to the rather successful completion of SP2

[TerraSandera]

In the sense of an explosion? As far as I know, gas pipelines do not pass through the territory of the LPR. Well, what does tuttoni have to do with it? And who would blow them up. Ukrainians? Then the owners will insert them so that the war will seem like a game. Europeans? To be honest, I'm shocked by the comment

[Siberian54]

the people of potroshenko before and during the negotiations were blackmailed by the explosion of the gas pipeline

[TerraSandera]

Seriously? Do you believe it? I doubt the same naivety of Putin and the General Staff. Who would allow them to do this? In the West.

[Siberian54]

In 14 elementary, to save the Nazi regime, the West allowed everything! Even non-combatant vassals were allowed under the knife (flight MN17)

[TerraSandera]

There was no such flight with that number. How and who shot down MH 17, we will not know. Well, blowing up a gas pipeline is like shooting your legs off in protest of hunger in Africa while in London. Therefore, I repeat, you are mistaken. The reasons for stopping the offensive are not so "romantic"

[Siberian54]

At that moment, the Ukrainians ran out of army and it was necessary to stop the Donbass people by any means. So this version from the Russian media is quite viable (I was just seriously ill at that time, two vents on the Internet and the box goggled nineteen hours a day due to insomnia)

[TerraSandera]

I am also familiar with the topic in sufficient detail, the decision was not influenced by gas pipelines. The connections of local oligarchs with Moscow, unambiguous hints to the top management and oligarchs in the Russian Federation from overseas "partners" that they are taking what they have acquired from "back-breaking labor", as well as serious sanctions, like Swift, and against those who have a fleet of yachts more than the Russian fleet in terms of tonnage ).
Therefore, then they thought to hush up everything. But alas, partners just won't let you get out of the water)

[iouris]

Quote: TerraSandera

Will there be an order?

Probably it will. Question: time will pass. Example 080808 is very sad.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Quite forelock clinked glasses. Is the example of Georgia not enough for them?

[Cube123]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Quite forelock clinked glasses. Is the example of Georgia not enough for them?

Do they have a choice? Now time is playing against them. Like Georgia, they have a situation now: "orders from above are not discussed, but executed."

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Well yes. Yes, and in debt, as in silk. I'm not sure that the forelocked saiga will run to the military registration and enlistment offices. Most likely, they will storm the border in a crowd. There will be more of them soon, at our construction sites.

[REEKMAN]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote from Uncle Lee

There is also a preemptive strike!

This is an overkill, it seems to me, but it is not enough to voice only defensive capabilities, we must directly declare an "asymmetric" (in the sense of "we will not leave a stone unturned") answer!

And do not forget that Russian people live on the other side of the border!

[Karabin]

Quote: REEKMAN

And do not forget that Russian people live on the other side of the border!

Really? Something when they burned the Russian people in Odessa and covered them with art in Donbass bashfully covered themselves with a fig leaf of ukrosovereignty.

[Cat]

They draw interesting figures on the map

[Zug]

Looked-But by the way it was not without reason that it came in! This is a message to them from the Russians!

[Klingon]

the author loves * 9K79 ..9M82MV .. oh, how he likes to write out technical names, just writing the word rocket of such a complex is apparently not enough. After a couple of three readings of such a fan of technical designations, the desire to read more disappears.

[north 2]

I want to be realistic and assume that no Telegram channel observers or informal journalists are there. publications does not know what it is for and how the General Staff of the Russian Army is preparing. GSH is that God and has what both the Telegram channel and the journalists are about, and we can only assume in the comments ...
I will also assume that the General Staff of the Russian Army has long figured out all possible actions in the Crimean and Donbas directions, and in the General Staff he is least worried that no matter how Russia strikes Ukraine in response to the provocations of Ukraine or its masters in Crimea or Donbas, the West does not care will call Russia an aggressor. And I suppose the General Staff will consider a provocation not only the armed provocations of Ukraine or its masters, but NATO's sudden decision to admit Ukraine to NATO or America's sudden decision to deploy its missiles in Ukraine will also be considered a provocation.
Here, I suppose, the General Staff of Russia has long figured out where and how the Russian Armed Forces, in accordance with the Military Concept of Russia and the Constitution of Russia, will deliver a preemptive strike ...

[Wedmak]

NATO's sudden decision to admit Ukraine to NATO

This will never happen. Ukraine for NATO is just a bargaining chip for a provocation. Use and discard.

America's sudden decision to deploy its missiles in Ukraine.

Um ... what missiles? They didn't even bother to place a base there. Even a small one. I think NATO is well aware that the life of Ukraine as a country in a clash with the Russian Federation is calculated in days. And they will not risk their weapons.

[Alf]

Quote: north 2

The General Staff of Russia has long figured out where and how the Russian Armed Forces, in accordance with the Military Concept of Russia and the Constitution of Russia, will deliver a preventive strike ...

If such an order is given by the Supreme Commander ...

[Kapany3]

Quote: Karabin

Quote: Mitroha

to directly declare to the WHOLE world, in case of victims by the citizens of the Russian Federation, wherever they are at that moment, from the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or armed groups affiliated with them

Why wait? Every day, citizens of the Russian Federation are killed on the line of contact in Donbass from the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Well, go ahead! I got off the couch, held my gun in my hands and ran to scare the Hohlopithecus ... And the soldiers, if something happened, would then take revenge ...
Warriors ...

[Lena Petrova]

There will be probing along the entire line of contact to detect weak points. Western curators have already decided that everything is ready at a new, higher level. This is not a test of the LPNR, this is an imitation of a conflict with the Russian Federation, an attempt to try it for strength, to see what means the answer will be.
And there is no longer a choice - the answer must be convincing. Otherwise, they will then climb from all sides.

[Lew]

when will we start shooting down Hocky? ...
and then we will apologize ...

[Tzar]

Hawk is a piece of iron. When, in response to Hawk, our scout with a live crew is shot down and apologizes - what are we going to do?

[Lew]

why send a live crew? or don't you have drones and electronic warfare?

[Yuri Tverdokhleb]

With that swampy mess in the ukrokolonia (for example, the scandal between the Minister of Defense and the head of the General Staff), as the Red Army soldier Sukhov said, this is hardly.

[north 2]

Quote: Lena Petrova

There will be probing along the entire line of contact to detect weak points. Western curators have already decided that everything is ready at a new, higher level. This is not a test of the LPNR, this is an imitation of a conflict with the Russian Federation, an attempt to try it for strength, to see what means the answer will be.
And there is no longer a choice - the answer must be convincing. Otherwise, they will then climb from all sides.

I completely agree with you .. But times are also changing so that, according to the traditions of Russia, the commanders should assign the second part of the surname to their native surname in the area where they won a great victory, for this to the commander Shoigu, so that his surname would then be Shoigu -Krymsky - Donbassky, it will be necessary that the army of the commander Shoigu inflicted not just a preemptive strike. This blow should amaze everyone with its lightning speed, accuracy and force into every window of the Bender government office and into every turret of the Bender army tank. Moreover, the small forces of the Army of modern Russia. The blow should be not only preventive, but also instructive to others, so that they would forget to threaten Russia ... Then the commander Shoigu will go down in the history of Russia as Shoigu-Krymsky-Donbassky. After all, there were Russian commanders Orlov-Chesmensky. Kutuzov Smolensky, Suvorov-Rymniksky. Potemkin-Tavrichesky, etc.
But the fact that the communists in history did not let the commanders Zhukov, Rokossovsky and Konev with double surnames from the names of the terrain of the victories of these great commanders, so this is one of the few vices of Stalin. I could not fully understand the contribution of personality to great victories. He admitted that only the communist ideology will remain in history as a symbol of victories. Al no ... history only needs the names of the great commanders, it is better if the area where they achieved great victories is added to their names. Well, there is Alensander the Great, Alexander Nevsky ...

[tralflot1832]

Optical electronic means of control and their resolution was a stumbling block with the Americans, it was an unpleasant surprise for them. When I served, 81 83 years, the division commander had two plans to advance and retreat. The land cartographer copied such maps! So if anything, a surprise for us will not be, unless improvisation is possible, coordinated with the above

[Romario_Argo]

the formation of an offensive armored "fist" carried out by the 36th separate marine brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Novoazovskiy ON near Mariupol

DPR has already mined everything and everywhere with bundles of up to 10 ATMs with remote detonation
soon we will see pictures of lumps from T-64
and the rest were completed under the ATGM Kornet, Shturm (Attack)

[Cid]

I see everything to be simpler than it looks like. Go to the UN and announce that if any hostility will continue against Russia or its citizens then we will respond with all the technology we have, including nuclear power. Cut the supply of gas to Europe for all the sanctions till today. The gas pipes will open again once all sanctions have been lifted. Tell everybody that enough is enough, if they do not want to see us as a partner in any kind of deals, then provoking Russia with threats, false accusations and sanctions then there is a price to pay for it.

[Micfoster]

It's my pleasure! (sarcasm)
“I see that everything is easier than it seems. Contact the UN and declare that if any hostility towards Russia or its citizens continues, we will respond with all the technologies we have, including nuclear power. Cut off gas supplies to Europe. for all the sanctions until today. Gas pipes will reopen after all sanctions are lifted. Tell everyone that it is enough if they do not want to see us as a partner in any deals, and then provoke Russia with threats, false accusations and sanctions, for this you have to pay. " Cid said.

[Alf]

Quote: Micfoster

Cut off gas supplies to Europe for all sanctions until today

Miller himself will strangle all such speakers.

[xorek]

I hope the electronic warfare and anti-UAVs have driven Donbass, because they want to act on the Karabakh scenario ..

[nikvic46]

The trade turnover between Ukraine and Russia looks something like this: Russia-Ukraine $ 4,6 billion. Ukraine-Russia 2,5 billion dollars. I don’t know how important imports from this country are for us. But on the other hand, our export feeds all the military equipment of Ukraine.

[Ryaruav]

question to the author, does he know Russian? what kind of littoral? and we are still talking about Russians

[Maxim Shalak]

Littoral and Pelagial.

[businessv]

Quote: Horon

The demonization of Russia has been going on for several years now, and the "enlightened and civilized" world will gladly support the war against Russia!

Undoubtedly so, but do you think that they are prone to suicide? Or have you just forgotten about nuclear weapons? For more than a dozen years they have been sharpening their teeth on the resources of Russia, but due to the deterrent factor, they simply decided to destroy it from the inside, as it was with the Union. It is good that we already have a vaccination in the form of the dashing 90s, therefore, before throwing ourselves into the arms of our Western "partners" again, we first think about it. We would have to return the resources taken by our oligarchs back to the country, it would be easier to live.

[VAB71]

Why can the United States intercede for every American immediately, but we cannot?
Why flutter our tongue that we will defend and punish for the murder of a Russian man, for the bombing, and then wait until the indignant common people are outraged and throw off the ENTIRE pack of chiefs and leaders ?? Where is PUTIN's answer ?? When he deigns to say clearly, and not through the mouth of his rich "Pinocchio" pressattache ??? Navka's husband, a millionaire and a batter !!!

[Wedmak]

Why the United States can stand up for every American immediately

Are you sure about this? Hundreds of cases of suicide by former military personnel, protection only of those who are useful ... They even in their country, in the frost, told people "no one owes you anything, survive on your own." Anyone who contacted the United States, whether he has their passport or not, will be thrown away immediately after being used.

[Azzzwer]

Gentlemen, we are preparing hats! But at the same time, remember that the British do not clean guns with bricks.

[surok1]

They finally decided to surrender with a fight. Shift the care of yourself onto the shoulders of Russia.

[opposite28]

No matter how they provoke something in transnistria, the fat in the head of the aborigines may be enough

[tank64rus]

It's time to begin exercises in the south with the deployment of a powerful group of Russian troops. Ukrainians need to know what can be a response. Show on the Internet all the power of the RF Armed Forces, let them think what it can cost them.

[ROMAN VYSOTSKY]

[i a wide range of information regarding the formation of an offensive armored "fist" on Novoazovskiy ON near Mariupol, carried out by the 36th separate brigade of the Armed Forces of the Marine Corps] [/ i]

Damantsev, where did you get this information from?
Share the source.

[ROBIN-SON]

How they parted! Hit first, etc. And who will hit? Our business is tied to the West, capital in GB and USA and all sorts of Germany and Portugal, many of the ruled and their families have "hacienda" and want to live there in retirement. Children and grandchildren study in the West. We will never hit, but if they attack, we will fight back. True, not only Ukrainians can strike. Poles have itchy hands too. And there the chain reaction will go. It was necessary to decide with Crimea in Pushcha, where the trinity gathered and divided the country. Yeltsin could have demanded that the Ukrs give Crimea to Russia and they would have agreed, even Kravchuk spoke about this. And there would be no sanctions and tension.
Of course, now the situation is similar to that of 1941. If Stalin had struck first at that time, there would not have been such losses. But alas. Russians are always strong in hindsight ...

[Dzafdet]

To inflict a dozen nuclear missile strikes on them, and then put them at the negotiating table. And then we wait, we wait. All the girls waited ...

[ser.rudov2016]

Why didn't the TU204 fly around Donbass? Shoigu, that Ukraine will protest. Ukrainians will not poke their attention to Crimea. They know very well what kind of cover there is, but they can go to Donbass for the sake of provocation.

[Alexeitch]

Also in 1941, we shouted that we would fight only on the territory of the enemy. But it turned out exactly the opposite and the loss of 27 million people. Don't underestimate your opponent! It must be borne in mind that this is a diversionary maneuver, the main blow will be inflicted on us from the inside - from everything it is clear that they are preparing a coup like the Ukrainian one. And then they will start to squeeze our brains. Read Sivkov, he is a good analyst. And we are doing absolutely nothing against this. The only ones who have declared themselves are the Officers' Assembly, the rest are hiding around the corner.

[vlad106]

Britain has always pushed Russia's neighbors into conflict. After conflicts, coups, revolutions and wars, they profited from Russia. And now, after the destruction of the USSR, it continues to work to destabilize the situation around Russia. With someone else's hands they drag chestnuts out of the fire. The main enemy of Russia is the Anglo-Saxons. The desire of these impudent Saxons to profit from Russia and try to bite off a piece of the pie using their mongrels and hyenas.
So Ukraine will continue to whip up anti-Russian hysteria.

[Kostya ChKV]

Rather already, I really want vodka and bacon.)

[Ros 56]

So go to the market or in order to have a drink and a snack, you definitely need a war.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote from Uncle Lee

I followed one rule: if a fight is inevitable, you must hit first.

Exactly!
Therefore, the cunning Israelis, under the nose of our General Staff, are carrying out a "secret" operation to grant Israeli citizenship to key members of the security agencies.

"The system of state surveillance, with the help of which the FSB monitors people, belongs to an Israeli citizen."
https://t.me/infobomb/944

[REEKMAN]

Quote: Karabin

Quote: REEKMAN

And do not forget that Russian people live on the other side of the border!

Really? Something when they burned the Russian people in Odessa and covered them with art in Donbass bashfully covered themselves with a fig leaf of ukrosovereignty.

That is why the military is good when they do their own thing. And politicians should do their own thing. Or do you have bombs and shells selectively extinguish strangers, and your own, who will be nearby, will not be touched at all?
Each decision has its own time and hour.
It should also not be forgotten that Ukraine, although at the state level is remote from us, is one people with us, if we take the total mass.

[Ros 56]

Well, let them jerk, roll them to the state of road dust and all business. On this circus performance called - Nezalezhnaya Outskirts, should be closed forever. Some viewers to the Lyakhs and Gayropeans, adequate ones, can remain, but under strict control.