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"The tender will get China": the United States blocked the supply of 30 Turkish attack helicopters to Pakistan

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"The tender will get China": the United States blocked the supply of 30 Turkish attack helicopters to Pakistan

The United States has blocked the supply of Turkish-made ATAK attack helicopters to Pakistan due to the sanctions imposed on Ankara following the acquisition of the Russian S-400 air defense system. This was stated by the press secretary of the Turkish President Ibrahim Kalin.


Pakistan and Turkey signed a contract in 2018 for the supply of 30 ATAK attack helicopters worth $ 1,5 billion, Kalyn said, but the US blocked the deal by refusing to grant a license to export engines. Washington explained their refusal by the imposed restrictions due to the Russian S-400.

The US has blocked our planned sale of attack helicopters to Pakistan. This will likely lead the tender in question to go to China, with the United States as the losers here.

- leads RIA News words of the press secretary of the Turkish president.

However, as Kalyn stressed, Ankara does not intend to abandon the Russian anti-aircraft system, despite the US demands. The spokesman noted that continued US pressure could backfire.

When another country comes to us with a maximalist position and puts forward demands in the spirit, "either it will be our way or not," this approach pushes us in other directions.

- he said.

Earlier it was reported that Turkey is not only not going to abandon the S-400, but is also negotiating a second regimental set of the Russian anti-aircraft system. Ankara is confident that they can use the S-400 without violating the NATO defense system.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 8 March 2021 13: 53
    +18
    Bidon's advisers are clearly the same senile ones as himself. Now the Turks will start looking for new engines for the helicopter.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 8 March 2021 13: 55
      +12
      The advisers are not to blame. Typical American practice. Nothing personal. Business only.
      . "Tender will get China": US blocked delivery of 30 Turkish attack helicopters to Pakistan

      It will be the same with the theoretical export of KF-X, TF-X, on which American and British engines want to install. Let them continue to rely on their Western "allies". If you want to do something well, do it yourself.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 8 March 2021 13: 56
        +5
        What kind of business is this? Lost their share of the sale of helicopters. This is stupidity. Pakistan will not be left without helicopters anyway. Only others will receive money.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 8 March 2021 14: 00
          +13
          Money here fades into the background, and geopolitics comes to the fore, the struggle for their interests, including long-term money, interests of a higher order (rivalry with China and its allies for power and, as a result, markets). Pakistan is an ally of China (US adversary) and an enemy of India (US ally). Do you still have questions, but this will not make the United States poorer. Trillions of green papers are being printed.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 8 March 2021 14: 20
            +9
            1. The Turks will not become friends of the United States after the ban. Will be engaged in import substitution for engines.
            2. Pakistan, China's ally, will not be left without helicopters.
            3. China will get money and influence.
            And where is the long win for the United States? Hope to intimidate Erdogan?
            1. Israel
              Israel 8 March 2021 14: 24
              -16%
              1. The Turks will not become friends of the United States after the ban. Will be engaged in import substitution for engines.

              It is easy to say yes difficult to do, it is not yet a fact that China will deliver anything to Pakistan without the approval of the United States, starting from the fact that there may be some American technologies in Chinese helicopters.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 8 March 2021 14: 55
                +13
                Russia will definitely sell helicopters. wink
                1. Eug
                  Eug 8 March 2021 16: 08
                  +2
                  Moreover, India bought Apaches in this niche.
            2. Kurare
              Kurare 8 March 2021 16: 03
              +7
              Quote: Pereira
              And where is the long win for the United States?

              No win, only REVENGE. Even to the detriment of himself.
              And what, unless for the first time they act on the principle "to spite my grandmother's ears will frostbite?"
            3. antivirus
              antivirus 8 March 2021 16: 05
              0
              And where is the long win for the United States?

              - in an even tighter confluence of China and Pakistan against India.
              the multi-vector approach goes so to an unambiguous subordinate alliance of India with .. ?? USA? or Russia? who will offer indus a complex of security and military and political, and economic, and technology..and finances, and .... other 15 factors ??????????????????????? ??? education of the subconscious "enemy-friend" is not 5 or 15 billion dollars in 3-10 years. the subconscious mind will be passed on to children and grandchildren.
            4. Polymer
              Polymer 8 March 2021 18: 05
              +1
              Quote: Pereira
              2. Pakistan, China's ally, will not be left without helicopters.

              Controversial. Russia was left without Mistrals. There are still no helicopter carriers, they seem to have started building in Crimea, but when will they be operational? And when they do, it will still be necessary to learn how to use them effectively ... in general, at least ten years of delay, and this is a serious period.
              I mean, the US sanctions methods still work, unfortunately. Yes, such a policy leads to the expansion of the camp of their opponents, but so far this quantity does not turn into quality.
              1. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin 8 March 2021 21: 56
                -1
                Quote: Polymer
                Russia was left without Mistrals. There are still no helicopter carriers, they seem to have started building in the Crimea, but when will they be operational?

                Someone can offer a more or less sane scenario for the use of these helicopter carriers by the Russian Federation?
                Where, how and under what circumstances?
                1. Polymer
                  Polymer 9 March 2021 04: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Captain Pushkin
                  Someone can offer a more or less sane scenario for the use of these helicopter carriers by the Russian Federation?
                  Where, how and under what circumstances?

                  This is the next question, which can only be considered if such ships are available. And if there are no Mistrals, there is no question. It would be possible to accept this argument if the Russian Federation itself refused to buy them, like, why do we need them? But Russia did not refuse, on the contrary, a new helicopter was specially developed for them. And now he builds the ships themselves - which means they are needed for some reason.
                  1. Captain Pushkin
                    Captain Pushkin 9 March 2021 09: 22
                    -1
                    Quote: Polymer
                    But Russia did not refuse, on the contrary, a new helicopter was specially developed for them. And now he builds the ships themselves - which means they are needed for some reason.

                    For some reason ... and why, no one can clearly explain ...
                    Before the war, we built battleships and heavy cruisers. For some reason ...
                    If this money were spent on the purchase of equipment for the production of ammunition, artillery, oil refineries and the production of trucks, the war would have ended a year and a half earlier and with much less blood.
                    It's the same story with these helicopter carriers - waste of money.
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 8 March 2021 14: 12
          0
          Ankara is confident that they can use the S-400 without violating the NATO defense system.
          Well, it's like a god in the Pentagon decides
          Quote: Pereira
          What kind of business is this? Lost their share of the sale of helicopters. This is stupidity. Pakistan will not be left without helicopters anyway. Only others will receive money.

          You write nonsense. It's not about punishing Pakistan. This is not the point, but the fact that the money will receive the MAIN enemy of the United States. fool Although, this may be a reason to trample on Pakistan, for "cooperation" with another evil empire. (Who knows that she dug up and built another beautiful combination fool another cohort of advisers fool ).
        3. knn54
          knn54 8 March 2021 14: 15
          +6
          In Turkey, tests of domestic helicopter engines are in full swing.
          It seems that the US sanctions give an impetus to the development of some industries in the countries that are subject to the bans, as well as the possibility of strengthening their own currencies by calculating instead of the dollar.
          1. seacap
            seacap 8 March 2021 17: 29
            -1
            In the future, they also have Motor Sich, at least technologies and "independent" specialists.
        4. frruc
          frruc 8 March 2021 14: 30
          +2
          This will likely lead the tender in question to go to China, with the United States as the losers here.

          In the United States, they decided to show their ass and turn half of the world against themselves. Not smart, however. This is just the beginning.
        5. venik
          venik 8 March 2021 15: 17
          +6
          Quote: Pereira
          What kind of business is this? Lost their share of the sale of helicopters. This is stupidity. Pakistan will not be left without helicopters anyway. Only others will receive money.

          =======
          This is certainly unlikely, even - quite incredible, but! Russian VK-1500s are just suitable for "Agusta" in terms of power and mass-dimensional characteristics ...... If suddenly the Turks decide to switch to Russian engines (for export turntables ....). I’ll laugh! From the bottom of my heart !! It will certainly turn out in Gogol's way: the states will find themselves in the role of a non-commissioned officer's widow, who whipped herself! lol
          PS Although of course this is hardly! But all the same: why not dream? what
        6. Azimuth
          Azimuth 8 March 2021 19: 19
          -2
          Quote: Pereira
          What kind of business is this? Lost their share of the sale of helicopters. This is stupidity. Pakistan will not be left without helicopters anyway. Only others will receive money.
          Well, what benefits do you think we are pursuing when, against the background of dozens of our own settlements, internal migration from East to West, instead of creating conditions for our population in these territories, we essentially support Syria, Donbass, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, and now they also hanged Karabakh around their necks? ... But this is not even hundreds of millions a year ...
          This means that there are interests that are more important and the reasons are deeper than the superficial reasoning of analysts of our level with you.

          Turkey is the basis of NATO's ground forces in Europe against us, that is, for us to fight NATO in Europe first of all means to fight with Turkey. Let me remind you that the Turkish army is the second largest NATO army. The first in terms of numbers in NATO is American, but if we take into account the number of their bases around the world, large navies, and the fact that the United States is not a European country at all, then Turkey will have an advantage in ground forces in Europe. And the Americans will not just let it float freely, and will not give it up to someone else's influence or to an alliance with Russia or China.
          What are those 60 helicopter engines in the background? ... Dust.

          And we will most likely continue deliveries to Pakistan, our Mi-35s have already been delivered, the Pakistanis also already have Mi-8 / -17s, so I think we should not be upset about the decision of the Americans to block the supply of Turkish light attack reconnaissance helicopters.
        7. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 8 March 2021 22: 04
          +1
          In fact, the Americans are trying to pull off this "maneuver" not for the first time with Turkey: at one time they "hacked" Kamov's participation in the competition for attack helicopters - you have our helicopters there, and engines for them ... Airup "threw" with the Phantoms upgrade ... The Turks are great - they have learned their lessons - to rely on themselves ..
      2. mvg
        mvg 8 March 2021 15: 06
        -7
        Let them continue to rely on their Western "allies"

        In total, it was necessary to abandon the S-400 in time. Which in the region do not decide anything. Turkey was predicted an instant loss of $ 9 billion, now the amounts will only increase. Unknown perspectives from the F-35C, from Altai, from Bayraktar, and Inzhirlik, etc. Integration into the EU. And this is for the sake of Erdogad's wishes ..
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 8 March 2021 16: 02
          -2
          Everything is much more complicated. For some reason, we are used to dividing into friends and enemies, black and white. There is normal competition when in one place there is cooperation, in another rivalry, in the third neutrality.
          In this case, the question is more likely in Pakistan, the United States is at enmity with them, on the other hand, they want closer cooperation with India. They remember the alliance between the United States and Pakistan, and new supplies of American weapons and equipment could aggravate the warming in relations. And these are trillions of military contracts in the future.
          1. mvg
            mvg 8 March 2021 16: 23
            +1
            want closer cooperation with India

            That's right, Pakistan has long been off the rails of the United States. With the PRC, an ally and the main buyer of weapons, and in general it is not clear how the Turks won the tender if there is a Z-9
            And India is a more interesting partner for the states. And Pakistan is more interested in China, especially in light of the recent events with the ban on the use of AMRAAM-120C7 against the Indian Air Force.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 8 March 2021 16: 33
              -2
              Quote: mvg
              it is not at all clear how the Turks won the tender, if there is a Z-9

              Maybe because the Attack (Agusta A129 Mangusta) is better than the Z-9? Moreover, Turkey and Pakistan have very good relations.
              And there is one word that strongly changes what is said:
              probably

              As far as I understand, these helicopters have already been produced or are in a high degree of readiness. Decisions on engines are awaiting. There are 3 options here. The Turks will finish their engine, find an analogue, and agree with the United States.
              1. mvg
                mvg 8 March 2021 16: 55
                -2
                There are 3 options here. The Turks will finish their engine, find an analogue, and agree with the United States.

                None fit ... New engine, airframe redesign. So they will hand over the S-400 back, as a guarantee.
                The price tag of 50 million overboard is also alarming. Apache Long Beach is half the price. Pakistan could, by the way, also buy from us ... our tanks were offered to him.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 8 March 2021 17: 10
                  -5
                  Quote: mvg
                  For a new engine, airframe redesign.

                  If the engine is designed initially for the required weight and dimensions, the airframe does not need to be touched.
                  Quote: mvg
                  The price tag of 50 million overboard is also alarming. Apache Long Beach is half the price.

                  You have some kind of trouble with the price tags. Back in the 90s, at the beginning of 00, it cost around $ 50 million, now around $ 100 million.
                  https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/6417700
                  Quote: mvg
                  Pakistan could, by the way, also buy from us

                  We have nothing to offer. Firstly, all our attack helicopters are very outdated, and secondly, they are of a different class, at least 2 times heavier than Attacks.
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 8 March 2021 20: 55
                    0
                    Back in the 90s, at the beginning of 00, it cost around $ 50 million, now around $ 100 million.

                    That is unlikely. In the 90s, it cost $ 14.5 million, here is the contract for Egypt from 08.05.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX

                    MOSCOW, May 8 - RIA Novosti. The US administration has approved the sale of more than 40 Apache attack helicopters to Egypt for $ 2,3 billion, the Defense Cooperation Office of the US Department of Defense said.

                    We have nothing to offer. First, all our attack helicopters are very outdated.

                    Mi-28NM is a competitor to Apache, which means that Attack and Mongoose should cost less ... Mi-28NM costs $ 16-18 million in export. The Mi-28 with a nadvulochny radar is quite enough for itself, money / quality .. with an Attack or a Whirlwind.

                    If the engine is designed initially for the required weight and dimensions, the airframe does not need to be touched.

                    They do not design an engine from scratch, they always take something as a basis. You can take Motor Sich, but it is unlikely to get up without redesign.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 8 March 2021 21: 20
                      -1
                      Quote: mvg
                      MOSCOW, May 8 - RIA Novosti. US administration approves $ 40 billion sale of over 2,3 Apache attack helicopters to Egypt

                      Once again, double-check the information in the ru news. Error on error. The professionalism of our "journalists" at the level of the plinth.
                      This is an upgrade contract. $ 2,3 billion for the modernization of 43 Apaches. And 10 new ones, the United States sells to Egypt for $ 1 billion.

                      https://www.defenseworld.net/news/26941/Egypt_to_Modernize_43_Apaches_for__2_3B

                      https://www.flightglobal.com/helicopters/usa-approves-23bn-refurbishment-package-for-43-of-egypts-ah-64e-apaches/138284.article

                      https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2018/11/27/us-clears-apache-sales-for-egypt-missiles-for-qatar/
                      Quote: mvg
                      Mi-28NM is a competitor to Apache, which means Attack and Mongoose should be cheaper

                      They are not competitors. They can only if the avionics and weapons are French or Israeli. Ours is 1-2 generations behind, the radar is just tears.
                      Yes, Mongoose is cheaper. Apache around $ 100 million (Egypt $ 100 million, Qatar $ 120 million difference in additional equipment and weapons), Attack / Mongoose around $ 50 million.
                      No matter how much the Mi-28 / KA-52 costs, the lag is more than one generation, they are simply not needed. The Mi-24/35 as a cheap multifunctional helicopter with a large number of trained pilots, unified with the Mi-8/17 still makes sense.
                2. Alexey Sommer
                  Alexey Sommer 8 March 2021 17: 17
                  0
                  Quote: mvg
                  So they will hand over the S-400 back, as a guarantee.

                  That is unlikely. ) hi
        2. Ovsigovets
          Ovsigovets 8 March 2021 17: 32
          +1
          integration into the EU)))) are you serious ???
          1. mvg
            mvg 8 March 2021 20: 56
            -1
            integration into the EU)))) are you serious ???

            Quite. They want to go there for 20-30 years ... but what's the problem?
      3. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 8 March 2021 15: 16
        0
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        If you want to do something well, do it yourself.

        It was in this direction that the Turks were stimulated. hi
    2. Anton Yu
      Anton Yu 8 March 2021 14: 10
      +2
      They do not need to look for they are produced in Ukraine. The issue of redistribution for installation on this helicopter will take a little time.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 8 March 2021 14: 27
        0
        Quote: Anton Yu
        They do not need to look for they are produced in Ukraine. The issue of redistribution for installation on this helicopter will take a little time.


        Good luck. Not in the know about the latest events?
        Back in September 2020, the Chinese buyers of Motor Sich filed a claim against the state of Ukraine in international arbitration, and as the conflict escalated, it only increased the amount of claims constantly increasing - initially the investors wanted to receive $ 3,5 billion, and in February 2021 the figure increased by another 100 million, to $ 3,6 billion (the official explanation is the involvement of "other plaintiffs who also suffered significant losses" in the case). Later, the amount was increased further, up to $ 5 billion. The bill, which should determine the fate of Motor Sich, is going to be submitted in the coming days. On March 4, the issue of the enterprise was discussed by the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC).

        Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/nacionalizaciya-motor-sich.html
        naukatehnika.com




        He revealed new details of the failed cooperation with Chinese investors: “There is no investment agreement on the part of the Chinese comrades. They deceived us, "said the President of Motor Sich Vyacheslav Boguslaev. According to the president of the company, he regularly holds teleconferences with the Chinese side and urges them not to violate Ukrainian legislation.

        Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/nacionalizaciya-motor-sich.html
        naukatehnika.com



        . Literally immediately after the imposition of sanctions against the Chinese, the Turkish defense company Baykar announced that it would use engines from the local company Tusas Engine Industries for its combat drones, replacing Motor Sich engines.

        Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/nacionalizaciya-motor-sich.html
        naukatehnika.com
        1. Anton Yu
          Anton Yu 8 March 2021 14: 41
          +2
          Not in the know Ukraine wants to nationalize Motor Sich? Turkey itself may produce engines for drones, but not for helicopters, at least in the coming years.
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 8 March 2021 14: 46
            +1
            ... Not in the know Ukraine wants to nationalize Motor Sich?

            I know. Boguslaev is categorically against it. In fact, officials will squeeze a profitable asset from him. Read the entire article, the quotes from which I gave you above.
            Turkey itself may produce engines for drones, but not for helicopters, at least in the coming years.

            A couple of years will have to wait for their engines.
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      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 8 March 2021 15: 21
        +1
        Quote: Klingon
        Only Yochlopithecs can screw up this loaf too

        They have a plant, only the machines, go, have long been handed over to scrap metal. And the documentation with specialists - back in 2015 I went to China for debts
    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 8 March 2021 17: 46
      0
      And what, helicopter engines are sold like seeds in the bazaar?))) There are only a few countries that produce them. The USA and Geyrop will not be sold and the Banderland will not be allowed. Remained Russia and China, and ffsssee)))) and then "golimy show-off" from Erdik, like "we ourselves with a mustache")))
    5. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 8 March 2021 19: 08
      +9
      Biden wants to .. "to spite the conductor, go on foot"
    6. Maz
      Maz 8 March 2021 20: 19
      +2
      The magnificent and brilliant Ottoman port received another spit from the United States and directly into the military-industrial complex ... the pride of Erdogan ... And this after such a stir when they defeated Karabakh, and then staged a victory parade and a holiday in Baku ... But Istanbul at one time owned half of the world, including Palestine. The Sultan will not forget this. And the Chinese are a gift.
    7. yehat2
      yehat2 9 March 2021 12: 06
      +1
      Quote: Pereira
      Bidon's advisers are clearly the same senile ones as himself.

      this will be over soon. (Arizona and Texas)
      already 2 states have officially announced that they are no longer directly subordinate to his administration
      7-11 more states can very quickly make the same decision behind them,
  2. Machete
    Machete 8 March 2021 13: 55
    -2
    As far as I understand, there are mattress engines?
    Well, did it make sense to make a weapon if you can't provide it with your own components? Moreover, such critical ones as engines.
  3. Mouse
    Mouse 8 March 2021 13: 57
    +2
    As they used to say ...
    We have no irreplaceable ... winked
  4. Tagan
    Tagan 8 March 2021 14: 01
    -2
    Such are the ally. Delightful!
    1. Russ
      Russ 8 March 2021 14: 37
      +2
      Such are the ally. Delightful!

      laughing
  5. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 8 March 2021 14: 03
    0
    "The tender will get China": the United States blocked the supply of 30 Turkish attack helicopters to Pakistan
    Women's logic. They conduct an educational spanking of a pug, for a piece of shit and allow the wolfhound to dirtiest the entire parish. fool
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 8 March 2021 14: 03
    -1
    China said thank you to Muhamar? The American president has good advice. We must continue in the same spirit. The virus of exclusivity must be treated. Why is China direct, who still does not use American engines? wassat
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 8 March 2021 14: 13
      +1
      Ukraine is on a short leash with the United States. The same Boguslaev already openly says that the Chinese allegedly deceived them. All responsibility is shifted from a sore head to a healthy one, as always. In Russia, our production capacities for the production of engines for helicopters are not yet well developed to take this order, if I am not mistaken. And for sure, the design there needs to be adapted for new engines, and this is time and money.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 8 March 2021 14: 30
        0
        Honestly, the helicopters themselves are probably needed. Their units must be saturated with modern combat helicopters.
  7. 181msp
    181msp 8 March 2021 14: 06
    0
    Ankara has "good" allies.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 8 March 2021 14: 15
      -3
      The United States has only vassals.
      The spokesman noted that continued US pressure could backfire.

      When another country comes to us with a maximalist position and puts forward demands in the spirit, "either it will be our way or not," this approach pushes us in other directions.

      - he said.
  8. paul3390
    paul3390 8 March 2021 14: 08
    +1
    It's just that the Ottomans need to somehow determine who to join. They are unable to realize their ambitions on their own .. But they want a lot, too tough. And in the north they have interests, and in the south, and in the west and in the east .. They walk wide, they will tear their pants .. Too many people are stepping on corns. And they barked with the States, and they shit on us. This will not work, you have to choose a senior partner. China is far away, the EU is frankly weak at the knees, Russia and the United States remain. The states will throw at the first opportunity, Russia will also have to promise not to climb into our zone of interests anymore. However, the Sultan has a dilemma .. Something - but you have to give up .. Although - maybe he has already chosen, is it just that he is gaining a trump card for bargaining at an accelerated pace?
    1. for
      for 8 March 2021 14: 19
      +1
      Quote: paul3390
      They walk wide, their pants will be torn.

      Or maybe they walk with permission. And maybe not with their own interests.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 8 March 2021 14: 21
        +1
        I don't think that the revival of the Ottoman Empire is in the interests of any of the Players .. Not to mention the neighbors ..
  9. bald
    bald 8 March 2021 14: 09
    +1
    Actually, everything is still on the topic for us, well, as far as we need to be careful in this scheme, sooner or later it will explode, history shows.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 8 March 2021 14: 18
    0
    "The tender will get China": the United States blocked the supply of 30 Turkish attack helicopters to Pakistan

    Everything is somewhat ... expected. Stripes act systemically and undoubtedly ... play out. Although many will have time to guess more than once.
    In the meantime, we must really fight this and send a response.
  11. Cowbra
    Cowbra 8 March 2021 15: 18
    0
    NATO is rallying more and more))) Recently they sang songs to me here on the website that Erdogan's sidekick is the United States. And the second is Israel)))
  12. Tagan
    Tagan 8 March 2021 15: 19
    0
    Quote: Russia

    laughing

    Yes, that's exactly what it is)))
  13. Last centurion
    Last centurion 8 March 2021 15: 56
    -2
    How the United States still wants to leave Erdogan without an anti-aircraft and anti-missile umbrella. They do not like the sky safe for the Turks. I hope Turkey makes echeloned air defense and not only long-range air defense and that the calculations are normal military, and not those who smoke come off alert (I remember a video with a shell in Syria)
  14. svp67
    svp67 8 March 2021 16: 30
    0
    however, the US blocked the deal by refusing to grant an export license for the engines.
    So how long are these "Turkish" helicopters? Surprised that Turkey has not paid attention to Motor Sich yet
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 8 March 2021 16: 54
      +1
      They do not have the required standard size of the theater ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 March 2021 18: 07
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        They do not have the required standard size of the theater ...

        There is. Engines of the MS-500V family. Earlier they even wanted to install it on Ansat helicopters
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 8 March 2021 19: 16
          +1
          The Turks have some intermediate value
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 March 2021 16: 53
    0
    Silly sanctions ..... earlier Pakistan simply had no options ..... now China, Russia ...... with helicopters for all occasions. Also, China will sell all types of ATGMs.
  16. garik77
    garik77 8 March 2021 20: 15
    0
    Quote: Pereira
    Bidon's advisers are clearly the same senile ones as himself. Now the Turks will start looking for new engines for the helicopter.

    They will find the engines at the same xoxes, but there is another problem - the Americans are blocking the financial part of the deal, they can do that. So the Chinese will definitely win here.
    Although ours also sold helicopters to Pakistan.
  17. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 8 March 2021 20: 23
    0
    And why, in fact, China?
    Can't we sell Mi-28 to Pakistan?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 9 March 2021 13: 53
      0
      Mi35 has already been sold, it seems. There are nuances of financing. The Americans dated Cobras and Iroquois and F-16s.
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 9 March 2021 16: 25
        0
        Do you mean "dated"? What date?
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 9 March 2021 16: 42
          0
          From the word "Subsidy" ....
  18. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 9 March 2021 20: 54
    0
    Quote: mvg
    integration into the EU)))) are you serious ???

    Quite. They want to go there for 20-30 years ... but what's the problem?

    There is no problem "wanting", there is a problem in integration into the EU ..... unless, of course, by the word integration you mean the mass emigration of Turks to Germany?!?!