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"Not a mutiny, but the experience of a political revolution"

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"Not a mutiny, but the experience of a political revolution"
Scene from the film "The Decembrists" in 1926


Alas! Wherever I cast my eyes -
Everywhere whips, everywhere glands,
The laws of the wicked shame
Capturing weak tears;
Unrighteous government everywhere
In the thickened gloom of prejudice
Vossela - slavery formidable genius
And fame is a fatal passion.
<…>; and today learn, O kings:
No punishment, no reward
Neither the dungeon shelter nor the altars -
Incorrect fences for you.
Bow first chapter
In the shadow of a reliable law,
And become the eternal guardians of the throne
The peoples liberty and peace.
("Liberty". A. Pushkin)

History the first in Russia against the autocracy. Well, finally, we got to the very uprising of the Decembrists. However, as you know, only cats will be born quickly, and even then after three months. And when reading materials related to those distant events, one involuntarily arises an interesting thought about how far some people outrun others in their spiritual development, and ... how much is lacking even the most ... developed. After all, both the Decembrists and those who later tried them served in the same regiments. They danced at balls with the same ladies (and they frankly hit some of them!), In the same salons, drank "Madame Clicquot", and ... at the same time, some thought that everything was going as it should, while others saw , and it is clear that Russia needs renovation, and the sooner the better!


Petersburg ... a city where houses followed history with the eyes of their windows. Including the history of the Decembrists. Here are just a few of the houses associated with their names. For example, this one. The Decembrist Ilya Andreevich Dolgorukov lived here. Corner of Ekaterininsky prospect and Nikolskaya street, Benois house. Rimsky-Korsakov Avenue, 37

This idea so captured the minds of the conspirators that they scheduled a speech for the summer of 1826. But, as it happens very often in history, HIS MAJESTY CHANCE intervened in their plans. Suddenly, either Emperor Alexander died or disappeared, and it was necessary to urgently decide what to do. And everything happened as A.S. Pushkin later described in the tenth, burnt, chapter of "Eugene Onegin":

They are famous for their sharp ornate,
Members of this family gathered
At the restless Nikita,
At the cautious Ilya,
And in a reasoning free
On the management of the people
They appreciated words above
Reason of sharpened bayonets,
But the Robespierre legacy
They were not embarrassed because
What to an enlightened mind
It is given to choose both the goal and the means ...
And the wrong swarm of Russian truths
Already circled over the Neva.

HA Bestuzhev wrote later in his memoirs that since the situation was out of the ordinary, it was decided to use it for good, so the time remaining from company exercises was now completely absorbed in preparing for the soldiers' performance and talking about the future with company commanders. Well, on the eve of December 14, the discussion of the performance took place at the apartment of K. F. Ryleev. The disputes were long, the discussions were heated, but nevertheless the conspirators were able to agree that they needed to gather troops loyal to them on Senate Square in order to prevent the senators from taking the oath, and then force them to sign the "Manifesto to the Russian people", which was prepared by the Northern Society ... The manifesto announced the overthrow of the tsarist autocracy, the abolition of serfdom and a significant reduction in army service soldiers. "Manifesto" announced the convocation of the Great Council to decide on the choice of the form of government in Russia and the adoption of a constitution. The "Manifesto" was to be delivered to the Senate by K. F. Ryleev and I. I. Pushchin. Prince S.P. Trubetskoy was appointed dictator, evaluating his experience as a military leader.


House of Prince Trubetskov on the street. Galernaya, 3

AI Yakubovich, together with his soldiers, had to attend to the seizure of the Winter Palace and the arrest of the royal family in the dark. Although Ryleev insisted on the murder of Nikolai, hoping to bring confusion in the ranks of his supporters in this way, the conspirators decided to refuse regicide. They even planned to seize the Peter and Paul Fortress in order to gain a foothold there. Interestingly, even after many years, many Decembrists considered a successful outcome of the uprising very possible. If only ... not an unfortunate coincidence!


Admiralteyskaya embankment, 4. House of Laval. The last meeting of the Decembrists before the uprising took place here!

However, the future tsar did not doze either. Firstly, he had already been warned of the impending criminal acts by the chief of the General Staff I. I. Dibich and ... the Decembrist Y. I. Rostovtsev, who considered it incompatible with his noble honor to oppose the monarch. And, by the way, it would be necessary to kill others in science for treason, but ... the conspirators did not even think about doing this. And secondly, being warned, Nikolai managed to mentally prepare for confrontation with them, and the upcoming events did not come as a complete surprise to him, and this is always very important. Although anxiously watched the position of the guard - the stronghold of the throne.


Portrait of Grand Duke Nikolai Pavlovich (first quarter of the 1802th century). Golike V.A. (1848-XNUMX)

Realizing how important it is to get ahead of the enemy in deciding the issue of legitimizing his own power, Nikolai Pavlovich already at seven o'clock in the morning swore in all members of the Senate and the Holy Synod, after which they left the Senate building. Yakubovich, in turn, refused to lead troops to the Winter Palace, citing his fear of the reprisals of the guardsmen over the imperial family, that is, in fact, his involuntary participation in the regicide. Therefore, the first of the rebellious regiments, the Moscow Life Guards, came to the square only at about 11 o'clock in the morning, when all the senators had long since departed. Then the governor-general of St. Petersburg M.A.Miloradovich drove up to the rebels with exhortations, and S.P. Obolensky, fearing that he would persuade them, hit him sideways with a bayonet, and P.G. Kakhovsky shot him with a pistol. Decembrist V.I.Steingel later recalled:

“One of the members of the secret society, Prince Obolensky, seeing that such a speech could work, coming out of the square, urged the count to drive away, otherwise he threatened danger. Noticing that the count was not paying attention to him, he stabbed him with a bayonet in the side. At this time, the count made a volt-face, and Kakhovsky fired a fatal bullet at him from a pistol ... When they removed him from his horse at the barracks and brought him into ... an apartment ... he had the last consolation to read his new sovereign's own handwritten note with a statement regret - and at 4 o'clock in the afternoon it no longer existed. "


Barracks of the Life Guards Cavalry Regiment. Konnogvardeisky Boulevard, 6

Subsequently, Kakhovsky, already in prison, bitterly regretted what he had done, and Trubetskoy recalled Miloradovich as a person, “who in this case acted impartially and loved the Fatherland". Strange, isn't it? Was it really incomprehensible to him that any "love" recedes into the background when it comes to decisive action? But ... being a nobleman both by birth and by upbringing, he apparently believed that way.


Konnogvardeisky Boulevard, 6 - from the side of the Kryukov Canal

Both the Metropolitan and the youngest of the Grand Dukes Mikhail Romanov came to exhort the rebels, and all was unsuccessful. However, the "revolutionaries" were getting together too slowly. So, the Life Guards Grenadier Regiment and the Life Guards Marine crew came to the square only at one o'clock in the afternoon. In total, about 3 thousand soldiers and sailors gathered at the monument to Peter the Great, commanded by 30 Decembrist officers.


Pestel P.I. lived in this house in 1813-1814. Fontanka, Mizuev's house. Nab. Fontanka, 26

Meanwhile, people gathered around the square, which the police began to actively disperse, as soon as the square was cordoned off by troops loyal to the government. The most interesting thing is that the "dictator" Trubetskoy at that very time was in the General Staff building, that is, next to the Senate Square, and saw through the window what was happening there, but did not dare to go out to his comrades. NA Bestuzhev later tried to justify him, explaining that the bravery of a soldier and the bravery of a conspirator are different things. Regardless of what you think, Trubetskoy then clearly lost heart and thereby brought confusion and disorganization into the ranks of the conspirators at the most crucial moment.


But this beautiful church is also associated with the Decembrists, although not directly. At the end of the 40th - beginning of the 42th centuries. she owned two neighboring apartment buildings facing Nevsky Prospect: 42 and 1823. MM Speransky lived in house 1823 from 1825, and A.I. Turgenev, P. A. Vyazemsky, A. Mitskevich and others, in 1854-1873. - Decembrist G.S. Batenkov, and in XNUMX-XNUMX. - F. I. Tyutchev


As a result, it all boiled down to the fact that the soldiers, in a 10-degree frost, snow, sharp east wind, stood in only uniforms, loudly shouting "Hurray!" and together they repulsed the attacks of the Horse Guards, while refusing to surrender and rejecting the promised pardon. None of the officers, in fact, commanded and did not dare to take decisive action.


Nicholas I on Senate Square on December 14, 1825. Vasilich G. The devastation of 1825. - St. Petersburg, type. North, 1908

Meanwhile, having become sovereign, Nicholas I was able to put nine thousand infantry troops, three thousand cavalrymen and, most importantly, cannons and artillerymen against the rebels. The cavalry attacked the rebels several times, but the infantry lined up in squares repulsed these attacks with rifle fire. It is interesting that the people immediately took the side of the "rebels": they tried to cheer them up, and some even threw stones and logs at the soldiers of government troops and even at the imperial retinue.


St. Petersburg. Senate Square on December 14, 1825. Kohlman's drawing from Count Benckendorff's office in Falla. Karl Kollmann (1786-1846). State Historical Museum

Meanwhile, the short winter day began to give way to twilight, and the king, fearing that in the darkness the excitement would be transmitted to the rabble, ordered to open fire on the insurgents from guns. They fired buckshot, and cannonballs were shot at those descending onto the ice of the Neva. Panic began, people began to scatter in all directions, the horse guards rushed in pursuit.

By nightfall, the uprising was completely defeated. And Nicholas I fortified himself in his Winter Palace, surrounding himself with troops loyal to the throne and several artillery batteries

The dramatic events on Senate Square immediately became a state secret. Which, however, has since become a very real tradition of confrontation between the authorities and the people. It was concealed as the death toll - it was announced that there were no more than 200 people killed, although in reality there were something about 1300 (of which 903 turned out to be for some reason not soldiers, but "rabble"). In the official documents of that time, the Decembrists were called "intruders", "traitors", "a bunch of rebels", "a handful of young madmen", whose goal is "bring on Russia all the disasters of anarchy". Well, the “rabble” that threw stones and logs at the emperor and his retinue on the square was described as people of “disgusting appearance in tailcoats”. Yes, and there was something on the square at all "some drunken soldiers and some people from the rabble, also drunk". It is a pity that then there was no accusation of receiving grants from the US State Department (Nikolai himself was convinced that people in America eat human meat!), Otherwise it would be quite possible to draw on such an argument for their vilification that they were all bought for money ... "foreign enemies who want the destruction of Russia."


House of N.I. Chicherin on Nevsky Prospect, 15, where in the spring of 1825 Küchelbecker V.K. lived.It is interesting that in December 1825, being on Senate Square with the rebels, he went to the Guards carriage, where his brother Mikhail served, and to the barracks of the Moscow Life Guards regiment to inform about the beginning of the uprising; and also tried to shoot at the brother of the emperor, Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich, although the sailor Safon Dorofeev prevented him, and then decided to shoot General A.L. Voinov, but his pistol misfired both times. Apparently, the general was not destined to die! View from the Bolshaya Morskaya ...

All 30 years of the reign of Nicholas I, everything connected with the Decembrists was strictly prohibited. All investigative materials in their case were classified. Their performance was viewed as a riot. Although already during interrogation, the Decembrist G.S. Batenkov told the tsar:

"The assassination attempt on December 14 is not a mutiny, but an experience of a political revolution."


Emperor Nicholas the First. Egor Botmon (1810-1891). State Hermitage

Well, how our Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin, who, as you know, regretted that he was not among the Decembrists, and said so directly to the tsar, reacted to all this? It is known that he wrote encouraging verses to the Decembrists. But ... and the tsar-priest, who so cruelly reprimanded people close to him, also ... did not offend with verses. And he wrote the following about him:

No, I'm not a flatterer when I'm king.
I give free praise:
I boldly express my feelings, I speak the language of my heart.
I just loved him:
He cheerfully, honestly rules us;
He suddenly revived Russia.
War, hopes, works.

PS The author and the administration of the site would like to express their gratitude to Anton Bazhin for the photographs taken of the houses of the Decembrists.

To be continued ...
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 18 March 2021 18: 40
    +12
    Interestingly, even after many years, many Decembrists considered a successful outcome of the uprising very possible. If only ... not an unfortunate coincidence!

    Life is arranged in such a way that there is always a warning first .. but for some reason, almost always, they do not notice it ..
    In the official documents of that time, the Decembrists were called "malefactors," "traitors," "a bunch of rebels," "a handful of young madmen," whose goal was to "bring all the misfortunes of anarchy to Russia."

    Nothing has changed for centuries .. well, maybe only the turns of speech have become shorter ..
    Actually, this is history and so far nothing new .. unless only interesting parallels .. and the author deliberately points to them ... it is hard to hear people and react slowly, this is a trait of our leaders .. unfortunately ..
  2. Jolly Roger
    Jolly Roger 18 March 2021 18: 53
    +16
    Yes, straight up, uprising, revolutionaries ... It's not like a riot either. Riots and uprisings, these are Emelyan Fedorovich and Stepan Timofeevich, not the Decembrists. . "
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 18 March 2021 19: 14
      +15
      Military junta.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 18 March 2021 20: 33
        +9
        Hi, hello! hi Great photos, for some reason I immediately thought that it was you who had a hand. good
        And about the junta, you rightly noticed, only some kind of vague junta they have turned out, without the Latin American expression. laughing Yes, and they are some kind of lousy people, the main "dictator" generally sat on the sidelines, and the others ... by the way, there was enough underneath there, one kakhovsky dodger was worth what, it was not necessary to hang him for Miloradovich, but roast over low heat for the amusement of the public.
        I was very surprised by the ratio of the killed, in that the overwhelming majority of them were not soldiers, but the rabble (vile people) - 903 out of about 1300 killed in general, did not know these numbers.
        I have a question for you: what does this expression mean
        ... the count made a volt-face,
        , not from the cavalry, by the case, jargon?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 18 March 2021 20: 47
          +8
          Thank you, Uncle Kostya!
          I "put my hand" in many things in my beloved city, but for the first time a derivative of my hands did not have a private success, but "went to the people."
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 18 March 2021 20: 51
            +9
            Thank you. smile
            The photos are really excellent, make a selection, at least for Petropavlovka, Art Museum and Morskoy, attach the text and we will receive ready-made articles about your city with brilliant illustrations.
            You didn't answer what it is "volt-fas". smile
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 18 March 2021 21: 04
              +6
              Front turn towards the attacking enemy
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 18 March 2021 21: 13
                +10
                Miloradovich turned his front towards the attacking enemy, and at that moment the bastard Kakhovsky shot him in the back. Haaaaroshaya company got together on the Senate. negative
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 18 March 2021 21: 17
                  +4
                  You know, Kakhovsky is perhaps the only one worth respecting from this bunch of mumbles and rags.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 18 March 2021 21: 29
                    +13
                    I cannot respect the shtafirka of the combat general who shot in the back. Miloradovich more than once risked his life on the battlefield. And what was Kakhovsky doing? What is he famous for besides this dastardly shot in the back? negative
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 18 March 2021 21: 43
                      +7
                      Do not respect, but this shafirka, the only one who shot. The rest, many military officers, tossed between duty, honor and dreams. Substituting the buckshot of the people who trusted them. Noble utyrk.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 March 2021 21: 48
                        +10
                        Noble utyrk.

                        Maybe. But no one stooped to a dastardly shot in the back.
                        I understand that one can doubt the correctness of the chosen path, but when it is chosen, one should never hesitate! Here you are right, you undertake to do business, do it, or do not go anywhere at all.
                        But Kakhovsky is still a trashy man.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 March 2021 22: 05
                        +6
                        But Kakhovsky is still a trashy man.
                        What suddenly ?!
                        Miloradovich rode his horse to Kakhovsky, he took out and began to cock the pistol. At this moment Obolensky pricked the general with a bayonet, he turned his horse, Kakhovsky fired.
                        Will you guarantee that everything was wrong?
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 12
                        +10
                        Will you guarantee that everything was wrong?


                        I will not vouch, just as you will not vouch for the opposite. request

                        Miloradovich lane on horseback to Kakhovsky ...


                        Feather horse, you say ... but why the hell is this gentleman pinned to the square, to organize a riot? So, the general had to take him by the arm, gently lead him into the gateway and already there, just and like a soldier to beat him in the face? Well, yes, with a bat muzzle, maybe they would not hang. laughing

                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 March 2021 22: 28
                        +8
                        Why the hell did Che Guevara flop to Cuba, and then to Africa, and then to Bolivia? What was missing for this offspring of the middle bourgeoisie?
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 36
                        +7
                        Paaaprash should not touch the idol of my childhood and youth with rough hands !!! angry

                        He was an adventurer, like most of the revolutionaries of Latin America, but he did not shoot anyone in the back, he was not noticed in this, at least not in battle. request

                        So the comparison is not in favor of Kakhovsky, the scale is not the same, and the figure is wrong. They know about Kakhovsky only in Russia, perhaps in Poland, and the whole world knows Che.

                      6. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 March 2021 22: 41
                        +7
                        but did not shoot anyone in the back, was not noticed in this
                        Probably everyone who knew him tried not to turn their backs on him ...
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 47
                        +8
                        Probably everyone who knew him tried not to turn their backs on him ...

                        Parthian arrows in a quiver will not lead to victory. Trust my experience, young man. yes
                      8. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 18 March 2021 23: 08
                        +16
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Probably everyone who knew him tried not to turn their backs on him ...

                        In the bath? belay
                    2. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 18 March 2021 23: 07
                      +25
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      He was an adventurer, like most Latin American revolutionaries.

                      Colleague, hi rather, he was an idealist-Marxist.
                      but the fact that it was a Personality on a global scale is indisputable.
                      Shl. When I read the biography of Comrade Che, I was freaked out by what he was able to do in such a short life.
                    3. Astra wild2
                      Astra wild2 19 March 2021 17: 18
                      0
                      "a world-class personality" agrees: how much time has passed since his death, and he is still popular
                  2. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 19 March 2021 13: 15
                    +5
                    Paaaprash should not touch the idol of my childhood and youth with rough hands !!!

                    What, our minstrel photographer is talking? wink

                    Kakhovsky was a beech and sociopath. He had no friends either, so he became a "regicide." And in his deed there is really not enough nobility.
                    Nikolai later wrote that a volley was also fired in his direction, the bullets passed by. request
                    Anton: Anton, you did a great job, thank you all! good drinks
                  3. Catfish
                    Catfish 19 March 2021 14: 20
                    +3
                    Kakhovsky was a beech and sociopath.


                    Kolya, hi hi , change the first letters with the words "beech and sociopath" and you will get an exact definition of the essence of this gentleman. drinks
                  4. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 19 March 2021 14: 28
                    +4
                    change the first letters with the words "beech and sociopath" and you will get an exact definition of the essence of this pan

                    Be healthy, Uncle Kostya! drinks I got a "bociopath". wink Boatsmanov hated. And boatswain pipes. wassat In general, yes, a disgusting type. negative
                  5. Catfish
                    Catfish 19 March 2021 14: 47
                    +3
                    And boatswain pipes

                    Perhaps some boatswain did not use the duduk for its intended purpose, and Pan Kakhovsky did not forget it? laughing

              2. vladcub
                vladcub 19 March 2021 15: 18
                +5
                "he didn't have any friends" before the performance, he lived on crumbs that Ryleev threw from the "master's table". Probably, Ryleev fed him like a stray dog, so that he would be a defender from his own comrades
              3. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 19 March 2021 15: 42
                +4
                Probably, Ryleev fed him like a stray dog, so that he would be a defender from his own comrades

                Probably so. Svyatoslav, I don’t remember, but Kakhovsky didn’t make any cuts on the bullet or something like that? what
                And there was also Yakubovich. This one changed his course of action several times that day. wassat By the way, he was a military officer, fought in the Caucasus before, where he received a wound in the forehead. Wikipedia: "At every meeting with the Circassians, he was the first to rush into battle and personally exterminated every enemy."... What a terminator! belay "I need your glasses, your clothes and your motorcycle!" laughing Despite the more than dubious actions of Yakubovich during the uprising, there is still a street named after him in St. Petersburg - and is adjacent to the Senate Square at the Manezh. drinks
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 18 March 2021 23: 02
          +25
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Why the hell did Che Guevara flop to Cuba, and then to Africa, and then to Bolivia? What was missing for this offspring of the middle bourgeoisie?

          Freedom, Equality and Brotherhood.
          He is the son of his era, and let me remind you that at that time in America, the Ku Klux Klan ruled with might and main.
        3. Kwas
          Kwas 19 March 2021 12: 43
          +3
          Quote: Stroporez
          At that time, the Ku Klux Klan ruled in America with might and main.

          ... and the McCartists.
      2. Kwas
        Kwas 19 March 2021 12: 42
        +3
        As I understand it, he considered all Latin America to be his homeland. And the enemy is the United States, so his actions are quite natural.
      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 19 March 2021 12: 50
        +3
        Uh-huh. And in Africa, the homeland is the Congo, and the enemies are the French.
      4. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 19 March 2021 17: 24
        +2
        I disagree with you. More precisely, I will correct: the enemy for him was not only the United States, but imperialism, whatever it may be: American, French, even Martian
      5. Kwas
        Kwas 23 March 2021 10: 44
        0
        I agree with the amendment. By the way, as for me.
      6. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 23 March 2021 19: 52
        +1
        Consensus reached
  3. bk0010
    bk0010 19 March 2021 00: 26
    -5
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Feather with a horse, you say ... but why the hell is this gentleman pinned to the square, to organize a riot?
    Why the hell is this general going to interfere with the riot on the square? Everyone has their own plans and resources. Someone has a horse, and someone has a gun.
  4. Catfish
    Catfish 19 March 2021 01: 35
    +4
    To all appearances, such a concept as an oath is not familiar to you. And if so, then it makes no sense to talk to you.
  5. bk0010
    bk0010 19 March 2021 14: 59
    -1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    To all appearances, such a concept as an oath is not familiar to you.
    There, just the whole muddied up was that they swore allegiance to Constantine, and who did not have time to Nicholas, and who did not want to.
  6. Catfish
    Catfish 19 March 2021 15: 00
    +2
    From this simple conclusion that it is better to swear allegiance to yourself, an impostor? laughing
  7. bk0010
    bk0010 19 March 2021 15: 02
    -1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    From this simple conclusion that it is better to swear allegiance to yourself, an impostor?
    1. Why an impostor? 2. Yes, swearing to yourself is better than another impostor.
  8. Catfish
    Catfish 19 March 2021 15: 04
    +1
    Yes, swearing to yourself is better than another impostor.


    I understood your logic - the whole history of the Russian turmoil is a competition of impostors, who will be the first to get to the throne, "that one and a sneaker." request
  9. bk0010
    bk0010 19 March 2021 15: 07
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    I understood your logic - the whole history of the Russian turmoil is a competition of impostors who will be the first to reach the throne
    You got it all messed up. Trouble was 2 centuries earlier. The Decembrists were not going to become kings.
  10. Catfish
    Catfish 19 March 2021 15: 19
    +1
    ... The Decembrists were not going to become kings.


    What were they going to do? Go home and drink coffee?
  11. bk0010
    bk0010 19 March 2021 15: 48
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    What were they going to do? Go home and drink coffee?

    There were several programs, two reached the uprising. None of them provided for the accession of the Decembrists. One of them provided for a constitutional monarchy.
  12. bk0010
    bk0010 19 March 2021 00: 24
    -3
    Quote: Sea Cat
    But no one stooped to a dastardly shot in the back.
    If he had put a bullet in his forehead, what would have changed?
  13. Catfish
    Catfish 19 March 2021 01: 32
    +7
    If you do not understand this, then it makes no sense to explain it to you - it will not work.
  14. Richard
    Richard 19 March 2021 12: 22
    +4
    Sea Cat (Constantine):I cannot respect the shtafirka of the combat general who shot in the back. Miloradovich more than once risked his life on the battlefield. And what was Kakhovsky doing? What is he famous for besides this dastardly shot in the back?


    IMHO, Kakhovsky during the Decembrist uprising was assigned the same role as the "unknown Georgian snipers" during the Maidan.
    He fired more than one shot. At least three
    On December 14, 1825, on the Senate Square, he killed not only General Mikhail Miloradovich and the commander of the Life Guards Grenadier Regiment Colonel Nikolai Sturler, but also lightly wounded Lieutenant Korolyov
  15. depressant
    depressant 19 March 2021 14: 04
    +1
    I, as often happens, carry some themes from Moscow on a cart)))
    The article was yesterday, but I have only now. The pictures are amazing!
    This hurt:
    But no one stooped to a dastardly shot in the back.

    I don't remember where I read how a fearfully agitated whisper rolled through the salons of St. Petersburg (or Moscow?): "Miloradovich ... Miloradovich ...."
    The impression from what I read about this whisper was so strong, as if I visited that time myself, that's why I remembered it, but I don't remember where it came from)))
  16. Richard
    Richard 19 March 2021 15: 38
    +5
    Hero of the Patriotic War Mikhail Andreevich Miloradovich was popular both in the army and among the people. Especially among the Cossacks. It was he who, in the famous Suvorov campaign through the Alps, led the detachments of the Don, Ural and Orenburg Cossacks. Its popularity is evidenced by a fact unprecedented before 1919 in the history of Russia. The heirs to the throne have always been the supreme atamans of the Russian Cossacks, and there is only one exception - from September 1810 to December 12, too, they were - Miloradovich.
    Considering the fact that at that time there was no death penalty in RI, at once 8 (eight!) Russian Cossack troops - Donskoe, Kubanskoe, Terskoe, Astrakhanskoe, Uralskoe, Orenburgskoe, Semirechenskoe, and Siberian fair reprisal "Kakhovsky.
    So he was very lucky that Nikolai decided to just hang him
  17. depressant
    depressant 19 March 2021 16: 09
    +2
    Especially considering how the Cossacks sometimes dealt with unfaithful wives wassat
    For example, they could tie the traitor to a cemetery cross at night, tying her underwear over her head. Or tie it to a mill wheel and spin it. I can't even imagine what kind of execution they would have invented for Kakhovsky.
  18. Catfish
    Catfish 19 March 2021 14: 29
    +2
    Hello Dima. hi How many pistols did this goat have with him? Just some kind of pathological type.
    And the comparison with the "Georgian sniper" - you did it well. good drinks
  19. Richard
    Richard 19 March 2021 17: 30
    +4
    Konstantin hi
    I will cite excerpts from the letter of Nicholas 1 to Konstantin Pavlovich dated December 16, 1825.
    link: http://dugward.ru/library/nikolay1/nikolay1_pisma_rodnym.html
    Dear, dear Constantine! Your will is fulfilled: I am the Emperor, but at what price, my God! At the cost of the blood of my subjects! Miloradovich is mortally wounded. Shenshin, Frederike, Sturler - all were seriously injured.
    Miloradovich is in the most desperate situation; Sturler too; more and more sensitive losses! Velio, Horse Guards, has lost an arm! We have proof that a certain Ryleev, a state officer, who had secret meetings, was in charge of the business, and that many like him are members of this gang; but I hope we can capture them in time. They have just seized from Prince Trubetskoy, who was married to Laval's daughter, a small piece of paper containing assumptions about the establishment of a provisional government by them with interesting details.
    This moment they reported - poor Miloradovich died!
    His last earthly words were orders to send me the sword that he received from you, and to leave all his peasants free! I will mourn for him all my life; I have a bullet; the shot was made almost point-blank by a civilian, from behind, and the bullet passed to the other side ...
  20. Richard
    Richard 19 March 2021 18: 03
    +3
    About the uprising on Senate Square and its true goals, it is enough to cite only one fact - only one Miloradovich, who was killed by them, ordered the release of all his serfs ... and not one of the noble Decembrists. and their sympathetic Mr. Pushkin.
    Here's to you, damn it, and:
    "Here the lordship is wild, without feeling, without law
    Arrogated to itself by a violent vine
    And labor, and property, and the time of the farmer.
    Bowing to an alien plow, subjugating the scourges,
    Here skinny slavery drags on the reins
    I’ll see, I’m friends! people are not oppressed
    And slavery, fallen by the mania of the king,
    And over the fatherland of enlightened freedom
    Will the beautiful dawn finally rise? "
  21. vladcub
    vladcub 19 March 2021 15: 28
    +4
    In my opinion, for Sturler, they would only say thank you, but the Decembrists would not forgive Miloradovich.
    I heard somewhere that even before the execution, everyone turned away from him
  22. bk0010
    bk0010 19 March 2021 15: 00
    -1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    If you do not understand this, then it makes no sense to explain it to you - it will not work.
    That is, there is no reasonable justification.
  23. Catfish
    Catfish 19 March 2021 15: 01
    +2
    And this also needs to be substantiated? Oh well...
  24. bk0010
    bk0010 19 March 2021 15: 04
    -3
    Quote: Sea Cat
    And this also needs to be substantiated? Oh well...
    Again. People are staging a coup. Not a duel. Let the tsar say thank you that he was not like Paul 1, at night, on the quiet, a crowd was beaten. And you grieve that the general was shot on the wrong side.
  25. Catfish
    Catfish 19 March 2021 15: 14
    +2
    Let the king say thank you ...


    He told them, all at once - hanging on the crossbar.
  26. bk0010
    bk0010 19 March 2021 15: 17
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    He told them, all at once - hanging on the crossbar.
    Not only. Having assessed his prospects, he finally cleared the brains of the guards, stopped the centuries of guards coups. This is much more important.
  27. Kwas
    Kwas 25 March 2021 15: 51
    0
    As for the end of the century of palace coups, the question is more complicated. A palace coup is a mechanism that rejects inept princes. When this mechanism was destroyed, the sovereign lost a very important incentive, as a result, it came to Nicholas II, who, being a good photographer and family man, loved the country. Again, the selection of officers based on the principle of loyalty to the sovereign rejected "the impudent and impudent." As a result, by the beginning of the XNUMXth century, there was a shortage of the Suvorovs and Ushakovs.
  28. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 19 March 2021 17: 30
    +1
    To be fair. Nicholas "thanked" five, and there were about seven hundred of them. I don't know the exact figure
  29. Catfish
    Catfish 19 March 2021 17: 32
    +1
    There was not enough rope for everyone. laughing "Backward tsarist Russia". request
  30. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 19 March 2021 18: 41
    0
    Maybe you are right
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  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 19 March 2021 15: 58
    0
    I don't know his biography. In my opinion, like Ryleev, he is a former officer. In modern terms: "storeroom", and if he was an officer, then he does not fit: "shtafirka".
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 19 March 2021 16: 14
      +1
      "In 1816, Kakhovsky entered military service in the Life Guards Jaeger Regiment as a cadet, but for" noise and various indecencies ... failure to pay money to a candy store and laziness for service "was demoted to the rank and file and in 1817 he was sent to the Caucasus, where in the service he was again promoted to cadet. Having served as a lieutenant, in 1821 Kakhovsky was dismissed due to illness. He was very poor, was extremely lonely, without family ties and friends. "(c)

      At the time of the uprising, he was civilian, i.e. - "shafirka". request
    2. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 19 March 2021 18: 55
      0
      Our "dad" often said: "There are officers, and there are casual ones. A real officer is always an officer, but a casual one ...."
  • depressant
    depressant 19 March 2021 14: 35
    0
    Kakhovsky, are you? Hello, brother!
    Still in fervent zeal
    You fry everything up to a hundred times in a row
    From a pistol to bottles?

    Not you from a dark corner,
    Blinking a misfire with a shot,
    Suddenly I put out a bullet in a bottle
    An empty stuck candle?

    We will rather remove it,
    Otherwise it will ruin the whole party,
    And he will be drunk, what's wrong with the king
    Plays like a cuckoo.

    And he, pouring a glass of wine,
    Numb and in the night without a goal
    The sight of the eye is already in a different
    Centenary, crazy targeting.

    And a pistol is thrown to the floor
    Completely discharged. What's in it?
    After all, it's a long time to wait: in a hundred years
    The bullet will ricochet!

    M. Zenkevich
    (From the collection "Through the thunderstorms of years" M., 1962.)
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 19 March 2021 16: 18
      +2
      Luda, good afternoon. smile

      I would have remembered another poem about him, not dedicated to him:

      "His killer in cold blood
      He brought a blow ... there is no salvation:
      An empty heart beats smoothly,
      The pistol did not flinch in his hand. "(C)

      This is for the murder of Miloradovich.
      1. depressant
        depressant 19 March 2021 16: 38
        +2
        The property of the country is Pushkin, Miloradovich. The series can be continued, probably. And for some reason it was always surprisingly easy to deal with the "property". Not a hand - the place where people usually have a conscience did not flinch.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 19 March 2021 17: 19
        +2
        As the book pirate Giacomo Grelli said: "My conscience is an agreeable old woman."
        Obviously, with these, everything is the same. request
      3. depressant
        depressant 19 March 2021 17: 31
        +3
        And also, I suspect, envy. Unconscious, I admit. He killed a great man, and grew in his own eyes, even if others do not notice your growth, but on the contrary - shrinking to the state of woodlice, with which it is known how they act.
      4. Catfish
        Catfish 19 March 2021 17: 45
        +2
        Well, yes, the glory of Herostratus, how can you not understand, but at least he did not kill anyone.

      5. depressant
        depressant 19 March 2021 17: 54
        +2
        By the way, Thais of Athens also, as if by chance, demanded: "Fire!" - and Persepolis was burned, the Achaemenids lost one of their capitals. But here, I suppose, there was still something else. And it is completely incomprehensible when the other day three girls and a boy are burning a monument to a soldier. Once, two of these burned mailboxes in my entrance. And these two were from the next entrance.
      6. Catfish
        Catfish 19 March 2021 18: 07
        +3
        Well, about Persepolis - the guys just had a good walk. They had the right - the winners. smile

        And about the squalor you mentioned, there is no desire to even comment on anything. Poor plebs.

        It is better to remember the Strugatskys with a smile:
        "But nowadays, do they really walk? Under the young king, I remember, they walked - they did not notice how half the city was burned." (from) smile drinks
      7. depressant
        depressant 19 March 2021 18: 47
        +3
        Great quote! drinks good )))
        The impression is that the Strugatskys can find something suitable for any reason. I have already forgotten which of them drank hard and therefore felt a lot.
      8. Catfish
        Catfish 19 March 2021 18: 57
        +2
        ... which of them drank hard

        Yes, most likely the elder, Arkady, judging by his winding life path. smile drinks
  • Richard
    Richard 19 March 2021 17: 12
    +4
    Everyone knows that the Suvorov military schools in the USSR were created during the Great Patriotic War in accordance with the Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR No. 901 of August 21, 1943 "On urgent measures to restore the economy in areas liberated from German occupation."
    But not many people know that the first such school in Russia "For charity and preparation for officer military service of Cossack orphans, whose parents fell for the Fatherland" was created by decree of Emperor Alexander I on the project of the St. Petersburg Governor-General and Senator of the Republic of Ingushetia M. A. Miloradovich in August 1818 in the village of Suvorovskaya. Their pupils were called Suvorovites.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 19 March 2021 17: 23
    +2
    I didn't know, thanks, Dima.

    It remains only to honor the memory of Mikhail Andreevich. soldier

  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 19 March 2021 10: 25
    +4
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    I "put my hand" in many things in my beloved city, but for the first time a derivative of my hands did not have a private success, but "went to the people."

    Greetings, Anton! The photos are excellent, St. Petersburg is beautiful in any weather!
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 19 March 2021 12: 54
      +3
      Thank you, Sergey! It is a pity that everything did not happen in the summer, it would be a little easier. But, on the other hand, it turned out more atmospheric.
      1. depressant
        depressant 19 March 2021 14: 11
        +3
        Anton, what pictures! I was once - then still in Leningrad. I went on a tram, it seems, and endless old streets with endless rows of old houses with consistency in the same style ran past me. I looked and thought: is this possible? It's a different world, immersion in the era!
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 19 March 2021 14: 50
          +2
          Thank you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! I did my best.
          1. depressant
            depressant 19 March 2021 15: 11
            +2
            What are you shooting?)))
            Once, as a schoolgirl, I was passionately fond of photography - a dark pantry, a red lamp, a developer, a fixer, drying on clothespins, printing in impatience, a black and white version, an old "Sharp" - it was, it was, I know how addictive, to excitement and tirelessness. But I didn't have time to get to the understanding that a black-and-white photograph can be artistic - life has changed, um ...)))
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 19 March 2021 15: 43
              +2
              Believe it or not, your phone! And then, all the photos had to be compressed, the resource mechanism does not allow posting illustrations over 5 megabytes in size.
              1. depressant
                depressant 19 March 2021 16: 16
                +4
                Oh, wow! And I tried to shoot with my Samsung, such heresy will turn out! I thought it was a dirty lens, wiped it, everything is the same! )))
                And you, Anton, with your amazing skill, should make the album on paper. Subconsciously, I perceive this electronic life as something ephemeral. The battery has run out, there is no current, everything has disappeared.
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 19 March 2021 16: 30
                +3
                Anton with your amazing skill
                To be honest, until recently I had no idea of ​​any skill. On the contrary, everyone always spoke negatively about my photographic abilities.
              3. depressant
                depressant 19 March 2021 16: 45
                +4
                And this, perhaps, so that you are not distracted by photography from matters useful to your critics. Like "Do you already do something useful! Flowers of the fields!" ))))
              4. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 19 March 2021 17: 01
                +3
                "Hang the shelf, go to the store, feed the children ... And in general, where is the money?!?!?!"
              5. depressant
                depressant 19 March 2021 17: 26
                +3
                Here! This is the usual lot of the creator! )))
                But if suddenly you are recognized by the world community or, at worst, a party of local celebrities with access to the monetization of talent, then they will look at you with interest! lol
              6. Korsar4
                Korsar4 19 March 2021 17: 57
                +2
                Are we considered the public? Or is it not enough world?
                Sometimes I go to a neighboring area. True true.
              7. depressant
                depressant 19 March 2021 18: 36
                +3
                We are the public, a colleague of Korsar4)))
                But we are the virtual public, we are pixels on the screen, and therefore we do not count. The public should be material, even if they are just neighbors on the staircase.
              8. Korsar4
                Korsar4 19 March 2021 18: 55
                +2
                And if we meet live, will we cease to be a virtual community?

                Or will our role-playing games change?
              9. depressant
                depressant 19 March 2021 19: 34
                +2
                For example, I have no inclination to meet "live", but my person is not a big loss for society. And if the rest of the people present here meet and, after some shock from the mismatch of ideas about each other, make friends, then it will, of course, be good. But even in this case, it is not the public that makes the name of the creator. The name makes the public in a position to monetize the achievements of the creator. Aren't you convinced by the sad stories of the Impressionists, who relied on the "public" in the form of the same poor fellows as themselves, and monetization came only after their death through the efforts of another "public" - gallery owners?
              10. Korsar4
                Korsar4 19 March 2021 20: 07
                +1
                I liked the book "Lust for Life". Van Gogh is unthinkable without his brother Theo.
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 19 March 2021 19: 41
              +2
              Let's stop and change.
            3. Korsar4
              Korsar4 19 March 2021 20: 08
              +2
              Probably. But I'm not sure that this will make us more real Iliad less workable.
            4. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 19 March 2021 20: 18
              +2
              Undoubtedly. But you and I didn't even hear each other's voices. Only network "Morse code", "handwriting of the radio operator" ...
            5. Korsar4
              Korsar4 19 March 2021 20: 38
              +2
              If necessary, there is a telephone. And WhatsApp doesn’t even allow you to spend money.
            6. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 19 March 2021 20: 48
              +2
              This is how we communicate ...
              I personally know only two, I called three more, all the others are a set of characters in binary code.
            7. Korsar4
              Korsar4 19 March 2021 20: 56
              +1
              I do not agree.
              Reading a book is a conversation with the author.
            8. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 19 March 2021 21: 03
              +1
              What is the disagreement?
              While reading a book, you are talking with a person whom you will probably never know personally, and in some cases, it is better not to know.
            9. Korsar4
              Korsar4 19 March 2021 21: 07
              +1
              We represent each other even if we don't see.
              And not only in the part of the biography that is exposed to the public.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 19: 38
    +1
    Colleague "Korsar4" name is Sergey ...
    Yes, I am a bore, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, and you have already been told about this.
  • depressant
    depressant 19 March 2021 19: 46
    +3
    A colleague of Korsar4 did not recognize my right to call him Sergey ((( wassat )))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 19: 52
    +2
    You managed to surprise me !!!
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 20: 10
    +2
    "And we have seen views" (c).
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 20: 09
    +2
    From now on, in more detail, please, Lyudmila Yakovlevna.
  • depressant
    depressant 19 March 2021 20: 48
    +3
    March 17, article "Arguments are there for something ..."

    Even in dialogues on the forum, it is not always possible to remove the barrier. Although it can interfere with communication.

    Hehe ... M-ah ... wassat
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 20: 58
    +2
    So what? “Not always” is never a ban.
  • depressant
    depressant 19 March 2021 21: 09
    +3
    Then answer how you are called, colleague)))
  • depressant
    depressant 19 March 2021 21: 50
    +3
    And there was silence in response. Perhaps bewildered and hostile. Indeed, I do know that this person's name is Sergei. But I asked how they are called.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 22: 10
    +2
    "Not receiving an answer, Benya got angry" (c).
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 22: 07
    +2
    "Alice, this is Pudding. Pudding, this is Alice." (FROM)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 22: 10
    +2
    Thank you, Anton.
    Pudding is you me?
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 22: 15
    +2
    Not. This is so, in line with the general paradigm. When celebrating the triumph of the photographer, do not forget about the path of the jester.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 22: 09
    +2
    Sergey. At your service.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 22: 19
    +2
    Oh my God! I forgot about the "return"!
    Sergey, user "depressant", name is Lyudmila Yakovlevna.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 22: 27
    +2
    Thank. I have already learned it with confidence. If suddenly he was mistaken, only out of absent-mindedness.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 22: 35
    +2
    Here you go! "Polites" is respected ... Now, can I swear, smoke, drink cheap port wine and attack the maid of honor with obscene offers?
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 22: 43
    +2
    The smell of virtual cigarettes is difficult to feel.
    Whether port wine is worse than other drinks - I don't know.

    Buddha may not approve.
    But the ladies-in-waiting may like it.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 22: 48
    +2
    Buddha may not approve.
    But Odin will be delighted!
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 23: 04
    +2
    One approved of smoking?
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 23: 36
    +2
    One tried not to focus on this issue, leaving it at the mercy of his press secretary Loki.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 20 March 2021 03: 36
    +2
    And tobacco leaf is not as bad as mistletoe.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 March 2021 05: 13
    +3
    No, Anton, polite is not observed!
    Because "to dignify" in Russian means "to address by name and patronymic." Sergey puts barriers to jokes in his attitude, which means he requires special respect. To magnify is not at all villageism, but the implementation of the measure of respect adopted, including in high society.
    And if so, I ask you to be named accordingly.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 20 March 2021 16: 15
    +2
    Lyudmila Yakovlevna, is it possible to put up an external barrier?
    About special respect - there is no such thing.
    Whoever took which backpack is carrying it.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 March 2021 16: 25
    +2
    I didn't wear backpacks, I don't know. But the gravity really had a chance to drag. Now no longer, but from the wear of the tendons at night, shoulder and elbow joints ache. And you, Sergei, cleverly threw part of the load out of your backpack - well done! )))
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 20 March 2021 16: 43
    +2
    Probably everyone sees their little lambs in the boxes.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 March 2021 16: 53
    +2
    Or cockroaches in my head)))
    For example, I often wonder which ones are mine? Big blacks, Russian redheads or Madagascar sizzles?
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 20 March 2021 16: 58
    +3
    I do not know.
    As far as I know, Viktor Nikolaevich is fond of entomology.
    Yes, and this is a thankless job: to look out for other people's cockroaches.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 March 2021 17: 36
    +2
    According to the principle: do not remember the white monkey! So you need to distract your mind from the obsessive image, looking for obsessive images in other people's brains. There is no other way to get out of the press of your problems. "Look, what cockroaches are running under your skull! One of them ran, but another!"
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 20 March 2021 17: 43
    +3
    I do not know. Psychology is a strange thing.
    Probably, one can agree with Basov's hero: "Every person has a button."
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 19: 40
    +2
    we are pixels on the screen
    Bravo, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 19: 34
    +2
    Are we considered the public?
    Well, if you are in a neighboring area, then you definitely count!
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 20: 11
    +1
    Everyday. Even on weekends, usually.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 19: 32
    +2
    with access to the monetization of talent,
    That would be perfect!
  • depressant
    depressant 19 March 2021 19: 52
    +2
    Whoa! Surely there are gallery owners in your city who exhibit not only paintings, but also photographs. Find a path to them, hang out personally, let them get used to you, and then, you see, with a certain amount of your persistence an exhibition will be organized, your work will be sold to a foreigner. And in the near future we will proudly exclaim: "What is our Anton, eh ?!"
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 17: 55
    +2
    All of this can be done creatively. And if there are a number of children, then it is important to have time to eat.
  • depressant
    depressant 19 March 2021 18: 37
    +3
    Aha wassat Have time to get at least something)))
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 18: 56
    +2
    Конечно.
    Early learning in the laws of life.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 March 2021 19: 46
    +2
    then it is important to have time to eat.
    It happened that I did not have time ...
    And there are also communal refrigerators, within the same family.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2021 20: 14
    +1
    This is overkill. But the question of boundaries: there are always visible and invisible.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 19 March 2021 16: 42
    +4
    There is such an old joke.
    Dialogue with St. Petersburg (Leningrad):
    - Look what a beautiful house!
    - Which the?
    - Yes, anyone!
    smile
    1. depressant
      depressant 19 March 2021 16: 48
      +4
      Exactly! This is how I once perceived today's St. Petersburg good But this piercing cold ... This wind ... And that's it - in May! )))
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 19 March 2021 16: 58
        +3
        But this piercing cold ... This wind ... And that's it - in May! )))
        You haven't been to Murmansk ...
        1. depressant
          depressant 19 March 2021 17: 21
          +3
          Why are you scaring me so?!? I'm scared! wassat I spent my early childhood in Chukotka and never froze, but here the nastyness attacked so much that at least lean against the gas burners and do not step back until the sweater smokes. Frost and sun are not for me. Exactly like the May wind in St. Petersburg. And I just can't imagine how people live there!
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 19 March 2021 17: 31
          +3
          "I'm going on an icebreaker,
          The icebreaker goes on the ice.
          That, a hard worker, the field pricks,
          That ice ridge.
          Then a smoky throat
          Screams, complaining into the fog,
          That calls with the weather report
          The city of Murmansk, that is, Murmansk.

          And what kind of progress
          We would not have in the ice,
          They know our position
          All the surrounding ships
          Even a satellite from the sky is aiming
          Takes us into the lenses,
          Looks like for peaceful purposes
          We're hammering hard ice.

          And some submariner
          With sideburns, brunette,
          Our route takes place in the ice,
          Piled on the tablet,
          The submariner has a guitar
          And there is a large supply of missiles
          And purrs like a cat,
          A gyrocompass, that is, a compass.

          But none of them see
          Into my miracle technique,
          That drunk like Ovid
          I'm standing on deck
          What a prediction disproving,
          Storms are blowing merrily
          What's sad dear
          Live without you. "(Visbor)
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 19 March 2021 18: 19
        +3
        Quote: depressant
        piercing cold

        You, apparently, got to the flowering of bird cherry ... smile On May we usually have good weather - either the first or the second. Sometimes it even reaches twenty degrees or more. And then yes - the bird cherry blossoms, the northern breeze opens and for a week the weather is such that snow can fall.
        By the way, I have relatives from my wife's side in Buryatia. They have frosts there, too, at thirty and forty. So, Petersburg frosts at twenty degrees are just hell for them. They say that forty Siberian degrees are better than fifteen Petersburg ones. Humidity, or what?
        And relatives from the Krasnodar Territory came in the summer. They also have a fever at forty, as it were normal. Here in the city twenty-five - and they are out: "How do you live here?" We like it. And rain, and frost, and heat. smile
        1. depressant
          depressant 19 March 2021 18: 40
          +4
          Humidity, Misha, humidity! )))
          Climate resistant, nordic laughing
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 19 March 2021 19: 24
          +2
          And then yes - the bird cherry blossoms, the northern breeze opens and the weather is so bad for a week that snow can fall.
          Even when the sludge comes from Ladoga.
          And relatives from the Krasnodar Territory came in the summer. They also have a fever at forty, as it were normal. Here in the city twenty-five - and they are out: "How do you live here?"
          It is also amusing to watch the passengers of the "Astrakhan - St. Petersburg" train while riding in it in the summer. After Malaya Vishera, on the board, near the compartment of conductors, a creeping line appears: "in St. Petersburg +21". After reading, some begin to get jackets out of their luggage, others - to pack them.
          We like it. good
        3. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 19 March 2021 20: 14
          +2
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Even when the sludge comes from Ladoga.

          So she goes because the northerner starts to blow out and drives all the sludge into the Petrokrepost Bay, and the Neva sucks it in.
          Most of all, on trips to warm countries, I like the return home and the first exit from the plane to the air ...
          That's exactly like Rosenbaum's - "choking on the coolness of the salty Baltic winds." smile
          And I always taught the children that "a northerner (and we are northerners, no matter what the natives of Murmansk think about this wink ) is not the one who is not afraid of the cold, but the one who is always warmly dressed. " smile
        4. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 19 March 2021 20: 24
          +2
          I am not a Murmansk citizen, I am a regional one. Two big differences.
        5. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 19 March 2021 20: 44
          +2
          Okay. Then "whatever the natives of Murmansk and any settlements of the Murmansk region, in particular, the cities of Polyarnye Zori, Apatity, Kovdor and Kandalaksha, think about this." smile
          Well, all I knew was told

          (c) "Features of the national hunting".
        6. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 19 March 2021 20: 54
          +2
          Alakurti, Olenegorsk, Pechenga, Nickel, Teriberka, Kirovsk, Polar Circle ...
          There, the weather is very different everywhere.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 March 2021 18: 58
    +8
    The Decembrists are the remainder of the 18th century. Before them there were Martists, those who killed Paul 1, and before that there were Julyists, those who killed Peter 3, and finally, the Novemberists, those who brought Elizabeth to the throne.
    By the way, then those who overthrew Nicholas 2 also fought with the autocracy.
    Stop playing, all these coups are similar and ordered by foreigners.
    1. kalibr
      18 March 2021 19: 13
      +4
      Quote: Gardamir
      by order of foreigners.

      ????????????????????
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 18 March 2021 19: 35
      +9
      Uh-huh. And Martha Skavronskaya is a CIA agent!
    3. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 18 March 2021 20: 41
      +12
      Quote: Gardamir
      Stop playing, all these coups are similar and ordered by foreigners.

      Aren't you ashamed of our Mother Russia yourself? Everything here is ordered by foreigners - they run like at home, and we look at it and swallow ... Maybe, if so, then we don't need state sovereignty? Anyway, foreigners push us around, so let's admit it with all proletarian directness and say: "Do you rule us secretly? Do you decide the fate of the Russian people in the Vatican, London, Tel Aviv and Washington? Enough! Give the election of the Russian president in the Capitol, the appointment of a prime minister in Langley, and the ministers in Shaul Ha-Meleh Boulevard. " It will be easier for you - the nonsense you are talking about will become true, and you can't argue. And you will already repeat your own mantras "with a feeling of deep satisfaction" and the awareness of your complete righteousness.
      wassat
      Resign yourself, finally, to the idea that our ancestors themselves determined their own destiny, that they were completely independent and ruled a sovereign state, which they themselves built. And all the achievements, successes, as well as defeats with failures - this is our history. Ours, do you understand? Not the Vatican, not the British, Americans or Jews, but ours. The one that we (but not you, delegating the right to make decisions for us and our ancestors to some "foreigners" with their "orders") are actually proud of.
      Patriots, damn it ... With such "patriots" and enemies are not necessary - they themselves will ruin everything, sell, and then shouting "we told you!" will arrange dances with tambourines on the ruins of everything and everyone.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 March 2021 21: 12
        +7
        So Moses spoke the same way. And the Jews all grumbled: "It was Pharaoh's agents who set everything up!" laughing
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 18 March 2021 21: 34
          +9
          Well, Anton, my congratulations on the official, though incomplete, debut in the media. smile drinks
          It is worth considering whether it is time to take the next step - to switch to text or video format. Traveling with the Bastard of Orleans or Charles, Comte de Charolais through the hot spots of Paris, of course, is a good thing, but perhaps you first need to practice on which one is closer? smile
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 March 2021 21: 50
            +8
            "Night Petersburg on-line" good
            Will you join me, Mikhail?
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 18 March 2021 22: 29
              +7
              Online with me will not work. I swear, I smoke, and in general ... They will be banned on any platform. At the same time, my deep knowledge is limited to one area, which is not the most interesting in terms of history and is purely specific - here there was a mock, here the Tambov authority was overwhelmed, homeless people gathered here, and there ... No, it's better not to talk about this, especially at night .. ... laughing
              But if you promise to cover up my face in the video, change my voice, and whisper obscene vocabulary, then why not ... We will buy port wine and go on foot from Rzhevka through the Vyborg side and Petrogradka to Vaska with a mandatory night visit to the Smolenskoe cemetery .. ...
              I agree! good
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 March 2021 22: 36
                +4
                We will buy port wine and go on foot from Rzhevka through the Vyborg side and Petrogradka to Vaska with a mandatory night visit to the Smolenskoe cemetery ...
                I agree!

                Fine!!! good
                When?
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 18 March 2021 22: 46
                  +7
                  It is best to do this either in May or August, when the nights are not quite white yet. The nearest time is May. The first decade - holidays, there will be no time, so I suggest the second. smile And then all these "Last Calls" - my youngest finishes school this year - is also unknown how it will turn out.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 18 March 2021 22: 51
                    +5
                    Very good! The second half of May is also probably busy for me. Another voyage to Staraya Ladoga is planned.
                    In general, have you agreed in advance?
                    1. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master 18 March 2021 23: 07
                      +5
                      I'm on my way mentally. smile
              2. Korsar4
                Korsar4 18 March 2021 23: 00
                +4
                The transcript of the recording threatens to become a bestseller. The remaining bookstores are fighting over her and queuing up.
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 18 March 2021 23: 16
                  +5
                  Not just "threatens" and "become", but "obscenely threatens" and "certainly become." laughing
                  "Memories of the stormy youth of two elderly intelligent gentlemen, recorded from their words in a historical setting" ... smile
                  U-tube will burst from the influx of visitors! laughing
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 19 March 2021 06: 21
                    +4
                    "Put me on the list of villains" (c).
              3. vladcub
                vladcub 19 March 2021 14: 50
                +2
                "write obscene vocabulary" anecdote into the topic.
                Somehow, scientists decided to study the vocabulary of a market trader. And they secretly recorded it on a tape recorder. When the non-normative vocabulary was removed.
                Two words left: Go and Go
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 05
        +7
        Mikhail, you have just shattered the crystal blue dream of a man and trampled on the fragments with rough soldier's boots. Cruel and a little inhuman, just a little bit. laughing
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 18 March 2021 22: 36
          +6
          Nothing like this! I just believe that a dream warms the soul and elevates thoughts only while it is a dream. Having become an ordinary reality, she completely loses these options. You need to strive for a dream, it is not at all necessary to achieve it immediately. Therefore, Paris can wait a little, becoming only more desirable from this ... smile
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 38
            +5
            Therefore, Paris can wait a little, becoming only more desirable from this ... smile


            But Henry still decided differently ... smile
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 18 March 2021 22: 49
              +7
              Henry at Paris was already the Fourth. And Anton will be the First. So: "Paris can wait." smile
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 55
                +7
                Well, in that case, do not forget to invite to the Coronation, I will show up with the whole family. repeat
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 18 March 2021 23: 02
                  +3
                  Following Shiko, a new dynasty takes over?
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 18 March 2021 23: 18
                    +7
                    Well, he was a respected person. smile

                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 19 March 2021 06: 23
                      +4
                      Who would argue.

                      "Monarchists of all countries unite" (almost (c)).
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 19 March 2021 14: 58
                        +3
                        "Monarchists of all countries unite


                        Hello, Sergey. smile
                      2. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 19 March 2021 17: 52
                        +2
                        Hi Constantine!

                        Just a parody of the Black Hundreds.
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 19 March 2021 18: 18
                        +2
                        So there were patriots, "the tsar and the fatherland"!
                      4. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 19 March 2021 18: 53
                        +2
                        And today there are subsidies. But mostly to other categories.

                        Don't you need to build any big bridge? Or a couple of stadiums?
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 19 March 2021 18: 58
                        +2
                        I would like to remove the snow from the garden. laughing
                      6. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 19 March 2021 20: 06
                        +1
                        “An assistant is needed. Homo sapiens ”(c).
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 19 March 2021 20: 51
                        +1
                        Homo sapiens


                        No, we need a bulldozer here. laughing
                      8. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 19 March 2021 21: 02
                        +1
                        How many tithes are there in the estate?
                      9. Catfish
                        Catfish 19 March 2021 22: 04
                        0
                        Not so much, but it is impossible to leave through the garden, but you have to go.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 19 March 2021 17: 42
    +1
    Shiko is actually a historical figure
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 19 March 2021 17: 52
      +1
      Who would argue.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 19 March 2021 13: 29
    +5
    Aren't you ashamed of our Mother Russia yourself? Everything here is ordered by foreigners - they run like at home

    Michael, you are absolutely right, but specifically in the case of Paul, nevertheless, there was English money and Sir Charles Whitworth personally. hi In the sense that the interests of the conspirators (fear of an unpredictable monarch) and the interests of Britain (to remove one of the organizers of the Indian campaign) completely coincided ... This is a particular, but it took place. drinks
    Otherwise, I agree completely.
    Patriots, damn it ... With such "patriots" and enemies are not necessary - they themselves will ruin everything, sell, and then shouting "we told you!" will arrange dances with tambourines on the ruins of everything and everyone.

    With this - I especially agree. hi
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 19 March 2021 14: 23
      +2
      Quote: Pane Kohanku
      specifically in the case of Paul, nevertheless, there was English money

      Paul's fate was decided in Petersburg, not in London. And not by the British, but by the Russians. If Pavel had survived and the Indian campaign had taken place, our "patriots" would have yelled that the French were in charge of Russian politics, Pavel was a traitor for French money, and Alexander was a truly Russian patriot, repressed for his pro-Russian convictions. They, the poor, do not care, just groan, they say, "the great Russian people were deceived again, otherwise we would wow!"
      Tell me, Nikolai, why doesn't Russia now command the whole world? After all, the Russian people are a God-bearing people, the most intelligent, talented, hardworking, warlike, etc. ... Why? Should there be an explanation for this?
      And it is. Traitors have ruined us. Sold like Judas Jesus for the pieces of silver. Who? By and large, it doesn't matter. Englishmen, Jews, Americans - anyone, even the Anunnaki. This is the only explanation. And now all the Russians would sit and spit at the ceiling while the whole world works for them, ensuring the personal well-being of Gardamir and the like. These are their dreams that did not come true, and it is only the foreigners-traitors and their vile masters who are to blame for this.
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 19 March 2021 14: 38
        +4
        Paul's fate was decided in Petersburg, not in London. And not by the British, but by the Russians.

        Yes, but with the participation of English money, and the English instigator!
        If Pavel had survived and the Indian campaign had taken place, our "patriots" would have yelled that the French were in charge of Russian politics, Pavel was a traitor for French money, and Alexander was a truly Russian patriot, repressed for his pro-Russian convictions.

        It is interesting that, if we take nationalities, Pavel was completely killed by an international. fellow One of the leaders was Palen... The "field commander" of the assassins became Bennigsen (who joined the conspiracy at the last moment!). According to Sablukov (in other words, according to the rumors he retold), after the fellow Nikolai Zubov struck with that very snuffbox, the next harm to the health of the emperor inflicted a Frenchman - the valet of Platosha Zubov, who jumped to the overturned emperor on the stomach ... Then they kicked ... and in the end they were choking him with a scarf.
        Therefore, we can blame any nation! laughing Just that the Negroes and the Chinese didn't beat me! request
        But in this narrow case - everything was really decided with the participation of English money. hi С by participationrather than with a fundamental factor! stop Difference! Which completely coincided with the interests of our nobility. request
        Englishmen, Jews, Americans - anyone, even the Anunnaki.

        The second and the last especially. wink I'll go and click Albert. He is on a short leg with them, we can agree. drinks
        the great Russian people were deceived again, otherwise we would wow! "

        This is a normal practice among our "patriots". And don't say. I agree! drinks
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 19 March 2021 14: 47
          +1
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          With participation, not with a founding factor!

          Exactly. We could have done it without English money.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 19 March 2021 14: 53
            +2
            Exactly. We could have done it without English money.

            God knows him. Man believes, and God disposes. hi Maybe he would have been the unifier of the church, and the greatest peacemaker - the founder of the UN. Well, I’m so, I’ll dream ... laughing Although unlikely. During the four years of his reign, the emperor began to "fly off the rails" ... what
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 19 March 2021 16: 33
              +2
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              began to "fly off the rails"

              And so he was doomed - with or without English money.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 18 March 2021 19: 09
    +7
    The "dictator" Trubetskoy at that very time was in the General Staff building, that is, next to the Senate Square, and saw through the window
    I will note, however ...
    Even today, having climbed onto the ridge of the roof of the General Staff building, it is difficult to see what is happening on Senate Square. And in those days, the building was not yet completed.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. kalibr
      18 March 2021 19: 15
      +3
      Probably so, Anton, you know better. But I read about it. Exaggeration? Figure of speech? I can’t check, and I wouldn’t. We cannot verify all the circumstances given in the text. You also have to trust someone at their word.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 March 2021 19: 26
        +10
        That's right, Vyacheslav Olegovich! "The devil is in the little things." That is why you are not writing a novel about Jeanne ...
        1. kalibr
          18 March 2021 20: 24
          +5
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          That is why you are not writing a novel about Jeanne ...

          Yes, but I wanted to. And most importantly, there is a concept, an idea, everything about armor and weapons ... There is no knowledge of the era. But on the other hand, Anton, they offered me to write an adventure modern novel so that spies, detectives, and ... since the main protagonist is a tourist from Russia, everything goes like clockwork. How many maids to leave for tea on the corner of the bed, what sweets are there at the reception, is it possible to ask for a beach umbrella, a menu, prices for lay, a taxi ... you know everything and everything is written very easily in the end. My wife even wrote in her notebook what they ate, what they drank ... You need to write about what you know well!
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 March 2021 20: 32
            +5
            And that's exactly what I'm interested in! Survive in Paris, sample 1400 ...
            Otherwise, why bother with history at all?
            1. kalibr
              18 March 2021 20: 35
              +5
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              And that's exactly what I'm interested in! Survive in Paris, sample 1400 ...

              Me too, but you can't write that "Zhanna paid one euro for the chicken in the hotel!"
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 March 2021 21: 35
                +4
                You wrote "alternative" ... There is such a style in science fiction, "steam-punk", so why not be "middle-punk"?
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 18 March 2021 21: 43
                +4
                Exactly - you can't! The chicken cost TWO euros! drinks laughing
              3. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 19 March 2021 13: 58
                +3
                As a result, it all boiled down to the fact that the soldiers, in a 10-degree frost, snow, sharp east wind, stood in only uniforms, loudly shouting "Hurray!" and together they repulsed the attacks of the Horse Guards, while refusing to surrender and rejecting the promised pardon.

                Vyacheslav Olegovich, I would like more details. drinks Forces gathered from both sides in complete confusion - whoever did what, he put on. Some in uniforms, some without. The Horse Guards arrived in only tunics, and without pistols. The revolted unit of the Fleet crew came ... with "training flints" in their guns - made of wood! With shells for artillery - a separate epic. fellow In short, trash and frenzy!
                So, the Life Guards Grenadier Regiment and the Life Guards Marine crew came to the square only at one o'clock in the afternoon.

                The grenadiers first showed up in the Winter Palace, where they saw a cordon of guards sappers, waved their paws politely, and nevertheless went to the Senate Square ... past Nikolai Pavlovich, who personally showed them the way ... No one did a single violent action.
                Meanwhile, people gathered around the square, which the police began to actively disperse, as soon as the square was cordoned off by troops loyal to the government.

                One can also mention the gendarme beaten by the villain Lutsk by his comrades.
                The evolution of Yakubovich on that day is a separate topic for historians and psychiatrists. Apparently, the headaches from a long-standing wound worsened ...
                In general, we are waiting for a detailed continuation! hi
              4. Richard
                Richard 19 March 2021 16: 14
                +4
                Caliber: There is no knowledge of the era. You can't write that "Zhanna paid one euro for the chicken in the hotel!"

                An English historian named Kenneth Hodges collected from various sources a lot of medieval prices in England of the XII-XVII centuries (for which he is honored and praised). The material is very large, so I will give a link to it, and I myself will try to retell it briefly
                You should start with the actual monetary system of medieval England. She is truly inhuman))). Sometimes there are duplicate positions - this means the price is given for a different period.
                One pound sterling is approximately 350-370 grams of silver.
                Also 1 pound = 20 shillings.
                1 crown = 5 shillings.
                1 shilling = 12 pence.
                1 penny = 4 farthing.
                1 mark = 13 shillings 4 pence.
                French livre (gold?), Sous and denier are equivalent to pound, shilling and penny

                Now about the prices.
                INSTRUMENTS
                2 clamps - 4 shillings: 1350
                Horseshoe - 5p: 1350
                3 mason's tools (not written) - 9p: 1350
                Shovel - 3p: 1457
                Household ax - 5 pence: 1457
                Vise 13 shillings 4 pence 1514
                Large blacksmith's set - 60 shillings: 1514.
                Small blacksmith's set - 16 shillings: 1514.
                Anvil - 20 shillings: 1514
                Bellows - 30 shillings: 1514
                Hammers - 8p to 2 shillings 8p: 1514
                2 chisels - 8 pence: 1514
                Gunsmith's complete toolbox - £ 13 16 shillings 11 pence: 1514.
                Sharpening Stone - 10p: 1457
                HORSE
                Warhorse - about 50 shillings. XII century.
                Warhorse (Destrie) - up to 80 pounds. XIII century *.
                A good riding horse is 10 pounds. XIII century.
                Harness horse - 10-20 shillings. XIII century.
                * Horse prices more than doubled between 1210 and 1310.
                FOOD, ALCOHOL, SPICES, CATTLE, etc.
                High quality Gascon wine in London - 4p / gallon: 1331
                High quality Rhine wine in London - 8p / gallon: 1331
                Cheap wine - 3-4p / gallon: late XNUMXth century
                Good wine - 8-10 pence / gallon: late XNUMXth century
                Good Ale - 1,5p / gallon: early XNUMXth century
                Medium Ale - 1 pence / gallon: early XNUMXth century
                Common Urine Ale - 0,75p / gallon: early XNUMXth century
                First Class Ale - 1-1,25p / gallon: 1320-1420
                El "second grade" (urine?) - 0,75-1 pence / gallon: 1320-1420
                First-class ale in London - 1,25p / gallon: 1338
                First-class Ale in Sommerset - 0,75p / gallon: 1338
                Good quality beer - 1 pence / quart: late XNUMXth century
                Dried fruits (figs, raisins, dates, etc.) - 1-4 pence / lb: XNUMXth century
                Rice, almonds - about 6p / lb: XNUMXth century
                Spices (cinnamon, pepper, nutmeg, cloves, etc.) - 1-3 shillings / lb: XNUMXth century
                Saffron - 12-15 shillings / pound: XNUMXth century
                Good cow - 10 shillings: XII century
                Cow - 9 shillings 5 ​​pence: mid-XNUMXth century
                Cow - 6 shillings: 1285-1290
                Ox - 13 shillings 1,25 pence: mid-XNUMXth century
                Sheep - 1 shilling 5 pence: mid XNUMXth century
                Castrated ram in London - 1 shilling 5 pence: 1338
                Castrated Ram in Sommerset - 9-10 pence: 1338
                Pig in London - 3 shillings: 1338
                Pig in Sommerset - 2 shillings: 1338
                Couple of chickens - 1 penny: XIV century - just the period of Jeanne dArc yes
                Two dozen eggs - 1 penny: XNUMXth century
                Goose in London - 7-8 pence: 1375
                80 pounds of cheese - 3 shillings 4 pence: late XNUMXth century
                Salted herring - 5-10 pence / dozen: 1382
                Salted eel - 6p / pc: 1422-1423
                Oats in London - 2 shillings 2 pence / quarter: 1338
                Oats in Sommerset - 1 shilling / quarter: 1338
                The cost of food consumed by an average household of a knight or merchant per year - 30-60 pounds (knight) to 100 pounds (merchant) **
                ** - data for 1380

                Sources:
                [1] English Wayfaring Life in the XIVth Century, JJ Jusserand, trans Lucy Smith, Putnam's Sons, New York, 1931 (Orig. 1889).
                [2] London in the Age of Chaucer, AR Myers, University of Oklahoma Press, Norman, 1972
                [3] Standards of Living in the Later Middle Ages, Christopher Dyer, Cambridge University Press, 1989
                [4] English Weapons & Warfare, 449-1660, AVB Norman and Don
                Pottinger, Barnes & Noble, 1992 (orig. 1966)
                [5] The Armourer and his Craft from the XIth to the XVIth Century, Charles ffoulkes, Dover, 1988 (orig. 1912)
                [6] "The Cost of Castle Building: The Case of the Tower at Langeais," Bernard Bachrach, in The Medieval Castle: Romance and Reality, ed Kathryn Reyerson and Faye Powe, Kendall / Hunt, Dubuque, Iowa, 1984
                [7] The Knight in History, Frances Gies, Harper & Row, New York, 1984
                [8] Methods and Practice of Elizabethan Swordplay, Craig Turner and Tony Soper, Southern Illinois University Press, Carbondale, 1990
                [9] Life in a Medieval City, Joseph and Frances Gies, Harper & Row, New York, 1969
                URL: https://andrewbek-1974.livejournal.com/1118366.html
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 18 March 2021 21: 58
            +3
            Anything completely about spies, in the spirit of old Bond? wink
            An imperishable image. laughing

            And here is turYst from Russia. drinks
  • Operator
    Operator 18 March 2021 19: 39
    +8
    The taking of the oath by the senators would not have mattered if the frightened Yakubovich fulfilled the task assigned to him - the arrest of Nicholas I and his family members in the Winter Palace.

    After that, the Decembrists could not be afraid of opposition from the monarchists in any form - the reciprocal liquidation of the brothers Nikolai and Mikhail Romanov, their children, automatically led to the abolition of autocracy, since the third brother Konstantin Romanov had already renounced the throne, and there was no other imperial house in Russia.

    The convocation of the Zemsky Sobor as in 1613 is not a fact that would lead to the restoration of the monarchy, especially in the form of autocracy. So Yakubovich failed the whole plan, and the first to understand this was the elected dictator Trubetskoy.
    1. kalibr
      18 March 2021 20: 26
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      So that Yakubovich failed the whole plan and the first to understand this was the elected dictator Trubetskoy.

      Yes, this point of view has every reason to be and, most likely, this is exactly the way it was.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 19 March 2021 08: 19
      +3
      "The liquidation of the brothers Nikolai and Mikhail Romanov and their children" was not possible at that time. Most of the members of the Northern Society were monarchists.
      I do not like fortune-telling: "if only if only," but suppose Ryleev killed Nikolai. At the same moment, the main part of the conspirators, Ryleev was torn to shreds
      Suppose, in which I doubt, they killed: Nikola, Mikhail and their children. Constantine would have forgotten about his remark.
      1. Operator
        Operator 19 March 2021 09: 39
        +1
        After the liquidation of Nikolai and Mikhail in St. Petersburg, there was someone to liquidate Constantine in Warsaw (including the Poles). But this is not even the point - Konstantin refused, because he predicted the victory of the Decembrists and therefore would have remained in refusal after their actual victory.
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 19 March 2021 12: 14
          +1
          Good afternoon, Konstantin's refusal has nothing to do with the Decembrists. It's a family secret inside
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 19 March 2021 14: 12
          +1
          "predicted the victory of the Decembrists" 1) he is a bad forecaster. 2) do you want to say that you were scared? I doubt it: the Pavlovichi were not cowards.
          Probably Constant's refusal is connected with his marriage to milk. I'm not selenium here, it seems she was not a "royal" family, which means she was not a full-fledged wife for the king
          1. Operator
            Operator 19 March 2021 15: 48
            +1
            All the sons of Paul I became very cautious people after the murder of their father by representatives of the guards.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 20 March 2021 15: 56
              0
              Quite natural
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 19 March 2021 14: 35
      +1
      "not a fact that would lead to the restoration of the monarchy." At that time, there were only 2 forms of government: monarchy and a republican form like the United States. For the majority of Russian society, the "American" model is not a channel. Even the most, the most republican-Pestel was not eager to introduce a republic in five minutes. He was planning some kind of transitional period, but as English people say: "there is nothing so permanent as temporary"
      1. Operator
        Operator 19 March 2021 15: 49
        -1
        Smoke "British Constitutional Monarchy".
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 19 March 2021 16: 19
          +1
          "British version" or something like "Anna Ioanovna's condition" could well have been, but not a republican form of government.
          The "Zemsky Sobor" could have chosen a new dynasty: the Golitsyns or the Dolgoruks, perhaps even more so from the "younger Rurikovich". However, I do not know their descendants of Rurikovich
    4. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 19 March 2021 17: 53
      +1
      "liquidation of Nikolai and Mikhail Romanov of their children" who will raise a hand against a child? If Dantes's own second would have shot him by the shell. And really raise a hand on a child? !!
      1. Operator
        Operator 19 March 2021 18: 19
        +1
        According to the plan, Kakhovsky was supposed to take upon himself the sin of murder, while the rest of the Decembrists also, according to the plan, were to condemn him.
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 19 March 2021 18: 40
          +1
          The assassinations of the emperor, but not the heir
  • Undecim
    Undecim 18 March 2021 20: 32
    +6
    It is a pity that then the accusation of receiving grants from the US State Department was not in circulation.
    So it was at that time called the "Department of the state of affairs".
    You just need to carefully review the correspondence of the American Ambassador Henry Middleton, who met with Ryleev, who served in the Russian-American Company. Obviously a thread stretches across the ocean.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 18 March 2021 21: 42
      +6
      Here, g a d s! They do what they want !!! am



      Good evening, Vic. smile
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 18 March 2021 22: 23
        +6
        Good evening, Konstantin.
        Your portrait is incomplete. The Poles also rummaged there. And those, in turn, with England, Prussia, Italy and even the Magyars. So this is not an uprising of the Decembrists, but an international conspiracy.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 28
          +5
          I’m already asleep, sitting, I took it and sent it to myself about the Polish conspirator. laughing
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 19 March 2021 08: 04
          +4
          Hello, Victor Nikolaevich. Yesterday the Internet didn’t let me talk. On the whole, I agree with you this is an "international conspiracy", but in the current terminology: "interference in the internal affairs of the state." Naturally, everyone had different interests, but one thing in common was not love for the emperor.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 19 March 2021 08: 35
            +5
            Svyatoslav, I once again note your lack of a sense of humor. Everything that I have written about "foreign influence" is sarcasm about "witnesses of the sect exposed".
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 19 March 2021 14: 16
              +2
              I continued your thought. Hence it was a continuation of your sarcasm. So "over the garlic"
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 26
        +4
        Yes, I, like, have already posted one above. Someone "free shooter" Kakhovsky. But this, of course, is a small fry. smile
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 18 March 2021 22: 34
          +7
          Yes, princes Yablonovsky and Gorodetsky appear there. Do you think by chance Pestel promised independence to the Poles? This is clearly in line with British politics.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 40
            +4
            By the way, where did the gallant colonel go? I read somewhere that he was predicted to be a Dictator, and not Trubetskoy at all.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 18 March 2021 22: 43
              +5
              Do you mean Pestel? So he was arrested the day before the uprising.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 45
                +4
                This one slipped past me. Did one of your comrades pass it? But then why him alone?
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 18 March 2021 22: 48
                  +7
                  Why him alone? The company commander of his regiment, someone, Mayboroda, who was admitted to the Southern Society, handed over everyone, for which he was transferred to the Life Grenadier and was granted one and a half thousand rubles.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 50
                    +5
                    ... and granted one and a half thousand rubles.


                    Even for that money, their heads were not highly valued. The crown, in my opinion, is more expensive.
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 18 March 2021 22: 54
                      +6
                      This is the original award. He further received both money and "favors", orders. Yes, and promoted in the service. True, he finished ingloriously, either he shot himself, or his colleagues killed him.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 March 2021 22: 57
                        +4
                        ... either he shot himself, or his colleagues killed him.


                        Well, this path has long been trodden by his predecessor Judas. The end is quite natural. request
                      2. vladcub
                        vladcub 19 March 2021 14: 21
                        +2
                        I was not specifically interested, but it was like: the "green serpent" pushed him to shoot. Although they could have worked for suicide. As the saying goes: "classics of the genre"
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 18 March 2021 20: 46
    +9
    A revolution differs from a coup d'état primarily in that in the course of a coup, only the top of power changes, which passes from one person to another, and the revolution presupposes a change in the state system, the system of economic relations. In this sense, the Decembrists were unambiguously revolutionaries, since their plans were precisely to change the system of state structure - the transformation of an absolute monarchy into a constitutional one or even into a republic.
  • Alexander Yarosh
    Alexander Yarosh 19 March 2021 02: 01
    -1
    It is interestingly written-Well done !!!
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 March 2021 02: 33
    +2
    Rebellion cannot end in luck, -
    Otherwise, his name is different.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 March 2021 02: 35
    +3
    Rebellion cannot end in luck, -
    Otherwise, his name is different.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 19 March 2021 04: 01
    -1
    Vyacheslav Shpakovsky in his repertoire.
    1. kalibr
      19 March 2021 06: 47
      +4
      Quote: bandabas
      Vyacheslav Shpakovsky in his repertoire.

      And you are in your: Chukchi reader!
  • Van 16
    Van 16 19 March 2021 07: 21
    +5
    Difficult topic. You can treat it differently. But the Soviet upbringing makes itself felt, because I recall a romantic song to the verses of Tsvetaeva: "You, whose wide greatcoats resembled sails, whose spurs rang merrily and voices .."
  • vladcub
    vladcub 19 March 2021 07: 52
    +2
    "although Ryleev insisted on the murder of Nikolai," and during the investigation he argued the opposite.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 March 2021 09: 29
    0
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    In this sense, the Decembrists were unambiguously revolutionaries, since their plans were precisely to change the system of state structure - the transformation of an absolute monarchy into a constitutional one or even into a republic.


    In reality, everything would have ended in civil war and dictatorship.

    The article does not cover the topic of the English trace in the December mutiny.
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 19 March 2021 10: 09
      +5
      Read my first comment on this article. And also Undecim comments.
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 19 March 2021 14: 04
      -1
      We can just as well speak of a German sealed carriage. It turns out that Lenin is an agent of the Kaiser's General Staff?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 March 2021 10: 21
    0
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Why the hell did Che Guevara flop to Cuba, and then to Africa, and then to Bolivia? What was missing for this offspring of the middle bourgeoisie?

    Apparently there was not enough adrenaline.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 19 March 2021 11: 56
    +2
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, good afternoon.
    Thank you 7, from me and my colleagues, we learned a lot.
    Most of us, about the Decembrists, know only from the film: "The Star of Captivating Happiness."
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, didn't the Decembrists know that the Senate had already sworn allegiance to Nicholas 1? If you knew what a fig, he gathered at the Senate?
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 19 March 2021 12: 08
    +2
    Quote: Pavel57
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    In this sense, the Decembrists were unambiguously revolutionaries, since their plans were precisely to change the system of state structure - the transformation of an absolute monarchy into a constitutional one or even into a republic.


    In reality, everything would have ended in civil war and dictatorship.

    The article does not cover the topic of the English trace in the December mutiny.

    I have no doubts about the wilderness: both Ryleev and Pestel saw themselves as Cromwell.
    Here is just a question: Trubetskoy, Obolensky and others who had bayonets would agree to hand over power to Ryleev?
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 19 March 2021 12: 51
    +2
    Nobody thinks about what fate awaited Russia if these eccentrics with the letter M had something. a handful of ambitious and intriguing men led the deceived soldiers to the square and stood in confusion and waited, while their "dictators" were somehow at a loss, realizing that this was not just showing off at the table of their palaces with a glass of champagne, but blood. The second question - Why none of them - conspirators, died from buckshot? Or will the officers not take grapeshot?
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 19 March 2021 13: 11
      +2
      Quote: Petrik66
      Or will the officers not take grapeshot?

      " -Rain on the street.
      - And I am between the streams. "
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 March 2021 15: 42
    +1
    Quote: Okolotochny
    It turns out that Lenin is an agent of the Kaiser's General Staff?

    There is a version that there is also an English trace there.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 19 March 2021 15: 43
    +2
    Quote: Sea Cat
    What were they going to do? Go home and drink coffee?
    There were several programs, here are two of them:
    Basic conditions of the Russkaya Pravda program:
    - the formation of the republic,
    - abolition of serfdom and land allotments for peasants, including at the expense of landlords,
    - suffrage for the people,
    - popular veche and equality of all before the law,
    - reduction of the tax burden,
    - reduction of the period of military service.
    The "Constitution" assumed:
    - the formation of a constitutional monarchy, headed by the emperor;
    - the establishment of a bicameral parliament;
    - the elimination of serfdom and the distribution of land for peasants;
    - the abolition of estates;
    - equality of people before the law and freedom of speech, religion, press.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 March 2021 17: 03
    +1
    Quote: Pavel57
    Rebellion cannot end in luck, -
    Otherwise, his name is different.

    Features of the domestic view of history - the Decembrist uprising, but the rebellion of General Franco.