German Defense Ministry reveals the weaknesses of the Russian and Chinese armies

The German Defense Ministry has assessed the military capabilities of Russia and China, expressing concern over the alleged growing threat from Moscow and Beijing. This is reported by Welt am Sonntag with reference to a report issued by the German military department.

The German military estimates that the Russian army, numbering 840, is very well trained and can "move quickly." The report indicates that "traditional Russian armed forces" are capable of achieving superiority "in a certain area in a limited time." The Bundeswehr is particularly concerned about the latest hypersonic missiles, which are "impossible to intercept" and "modernization of nuclear potential."

At the same time, the Russian army also has shortcomings, the document says. In Berlin, they attributed the lack of drums drones and limited ability to conduct long-term naval operations "on a global scale."

The report indicates that Russia is currently pursuing the goal of "destabilizing and weakening NATO."

However, despite the increased level of threat from Russia, Germany is more afraid of China, which in terms of the scale of global influence and sales volumes weapons more and more superior to Russia. The report pays special attention to the size of the Chinese army, nuclear and missile potential, as well as the growing capabilities of the PLA.

The German experts also found flaws in the Chinese army. They attributed to them insufficient professional training of military personnel and weak coordination between the Navy and the PLA Air Force.

Comments

[pipetro]

What "long-term global naval operations" can we talk about in the age of nuclear weapons? Or does everyone dream that it will not be used in case of aggression?

[zadorin1974]

Well, I would also understand if the United States, the British or, at worst, the Japanese spoke in favor of global maritime operations. They have at least some serious practice. The Germans, then where about the ocean? landings are generally dull.

[ammunition]

Quote: zadorin1974

if the United States, the British or, at worst, the Japanese spoke in favor of global maritime operations.

Let's talk about China better?
Such a Chinese field marshal sits and thinks. - China has enough resources to create a 10 millionth ground army. Well trained and well armed. Plus 20 million reservists. It will take five years. .. But what should China do with such an army? Where and how to use it? ... You cannot go to the south and west, there are grandiose mountain systems .. there are very few roads .. through 5-6 passes such an army cannot be squeezed through. And to supply such a whopper .. through 3-4 holes in the mountains .. is impossible.
You can't go to the north either .. taiga and mountains .. there are very few roads, and most importantly - there is no point in going north! ..If you go through the Dzungar gates like Batu Khan, again it will not work! It is very difficult to arrange the supply of such a whopper ... and it is far too far to go to Germany or the USA.
What to do ?
Only by sea! Only a mighty and strong fleet can help. -)) But then you can't avoid "global maritime operations !!" We need aircraft carriers and cruisers .. transports and tankers .. and a network of coastal bases (Taiwan .. loosen up .. needs to be attached) .. etc, etc. It will take about 20 years.
And in 20 years they will be sent to retire -)) Yes, and the Germans scoff .. Well, no luck !!!

[mitroha]

limited opportunities for long-term naval operations "on a global scale."

And we, according to our doctrine, were going to carry out them "on a global scale"?
On a global scale, if necessary, we work in such a way that only the Navy of Belarus can carry out long-term naval operations.

[paul3390]

Here is a slippery question, to which, thank God, there is no answer yet - is a long-term large-scale military conflict with a nuclear power possible at all without the use of nuclear weapons? And if not, will he limit himself to only tactical ammunition, or will he immediately press the Big Red Button? Somehow I would not like to check ...

Because in an ordinary war - alas, I must admit, the other Russian Federation is likely to lose to the West .. For very many reasons .. And the economy is not comparable with the USSR, and the army is obviously significantly weaker than the collective western, and with the motivation of the population, to put it mildly, it will not ... Over the 30 years of our capitalism, the people's desire to die for this power has somehow greatly diminished. Is there any point in dying for someone else's capital? So - one hope for the legacy of the great Stalin - nuclear weapons ... And even then it is doubtful - well, what will our oligarchs, their families, villas, yachts and accounts be paving there?

It was the Soviet Union that could oppose the damned bourgeois on an equal footing, and even win, but the Russian Federation was unlikely to be strong.

[zadorin1974]

At the expense of the People's Republic of China, Nikolai, I would not say so unequivocally. Firstly, they have built an excellent and larger military fleet in twenty years (frigates, from laying down to raising the flag for one and a half, two years). Secondly, google a map of the world with the presence of Chinese companies. these offices are guarded only by PMCs or by the protection of Chinese companies. And these are practically all the daughters and granddaughters of the PLA. To this we add the official bases of the Navy and the PLA in Africa, the Middle East, Latin America. The picture is far from pleasant for Westerners. And the ambitions of the PRC are growing every year ...

[ammunition]

Quote: zadorin1974

Firstly, in twenty years they have built an excellent and larger military fleet (frigates, from laying down to raising the flag for one and a half, two years). Secondly, google a map of the world with the presence of Chinese companies. All these offices are guarded only by PMCs or by the security of Chinese companies. And these are practically all the daughters and granddaughters of the PLA. Here we add the official naval and PLA bases for Africa, the Middle East, Latin America. The picture is far from pleasant for Westerners.

Exactly! It can be added that China is intensively building aircraft carriers.
Means what ? .. So the Chinese "field marshal" decided to move by sea. What do you think ?

[zadorin1974]

The Chinese field marshal is now moving mainly as a "golden donkey." the same German manufacturers from the market. And the Chinese aircraft carriers are built for more that would be. Everyone has, which means we need.

[Gregory Charnota]

sinking of the cruiser Hood by the German battleship Bismarck (World War II)
Battle of Jutland sinking of three British cruisers (World War I)

[zadorin1974]

I might have agreed with you, Gregory, but "Bismarck" also ended badly, it turned out to be an exchange. But the loss of Hood did not strained the British as much as the loss of Bismarck to Germany. The same was true in WWI during the Battle of Jutland, losses and sinking were still less for the British . and so it seems like both sides recognized a draw)))

[Gregory Charnota]

6784 killed
3 battle cruisers,
3 armored cruisers,
8 destroyers
This is the loss of the British!
the Germans have half the losses in this battle !!!

3039 killed
1 battle cruiser,
1 battleship,
4 Light Cruisers,
5 destroyers

[yehat2]

Quote: zadorin1974

The Germans, then where about the ocean expanses? In addition to single raiders and wolf packs of underwater, not a single serious victory, about the landings in general is dull.

you apparently learned history by 2
the seizure of Norway, the Emden raid, events in Spain, support for the Boer struggle, operations near Qingdao, the defense of Qingdao, the seizure of Crete, operations in China with the training of the Kuomintang army, the Turkish maneuver, operations in Africa, preparation of an offensive in Mexico (PMV), participation in operations in central America, etc.

[zadorin1974]

On the count of two in history - did you go too far? Emden was not a raider? The landing on Crete was sea? And it was produced by the Kriegsmarine? The defense of Qingdao apparently also ended with the victory of the German fleet? Read carefully, What great naval victories did Germany accomplish not with individual ships, but with the forces of a large group of surface forces? Probably only the capture of the Moozun Islands, and even then, they were pretty well piled The capture of Norway is a separate story. The airborne troops, the loss of a heavy cruiser from the Norwegians, the receipt of luli from the British fleet, at the end of the day, only Goering's chicks were able to drive away the insolence from the shores of southern Norway.

[yehat2]

can I tell you how the Americans stormed an empty island and fought with themselves?
like a great landing nation)))

[zadorin1974]

There was a funny story with losses from skirmishes among themselves))) But, nevertheless, they rested their horns on the channel. Airborne operations in Africa, Sicily, Italy, France, Japan were victories (though also not without serious blunders) But the Germans, well no, from the word at all, not a single serious victory by the forces of the Navy. And should they act as experts in the maritime component, especially at the ocean level?

[yehat2]

Quote: zadorin1974

And should they act as experts in the marine component, especially at the ocean level?

I understand that they are not the best, that they are still not complete zeroes. In addition, within the framework of NATO, amphibious operations and invasions from the water are very actively sorted out.

[Thrifty]

The Reverend Adolf also went out in 1941 in search of "shortcomings" in the USSR, and found his own grave in his own Reich Chancellery. ... I think the Germans are able to draw conclusions ...

[Vadim F]

conclusions are not difficult to draw - do not meddle in the minority with the majority. following this triviality, Hitler's Germany would have reached incredible heights, but here the effect of a gambler worked, with a natural ending.

[Bar1]

At the same time, the Russian army also has shortcomings, the document says.

but who will pay attention to such shortcomings of the Russian army?

[zadorin1974]

Take an interest in the products of the Sarapul ZiO. Probably a lot will be revealed to you.

[Bar1]

Quote: zadorin1974

Take an interest in the products of the Sarapul ZiO. Probably a lot will be revealed to you.

whose equipment? Ours do not make microcircuits, for communication do not make microcircuits for computers, all this is import. How do they want to fight? And this has already been going on for TEN YEARS, as nichrome is not done.
The worst thing is that the Ministry of Defense and other authorities of course know that microcircuits are not made in this Russia and continue to pretend that everything is in order with us, just a conspiracy.

[standan]

Well, you have something, microcircuits are definitely not made, but they are made in Russia. To do this, it is enough to google the number of enterprises in the radio-electronic industry and see what they produce. And show this video to your grandmother, maybe she will buy, and even then it is unlikely.

[Bar1]

Quote: standan

Well, you have something, microcircuits are definitely not made, but they are made in Russia.

Can you make computers in your Russia?

[CorvusMag]

It's easier to turn a continent across the ocean into a nuclear desert than to send troops there ... Currently, "long-term global naval operations" longing for the past of aging generals and are possible only with countries that do not have Yadren Baton .... Expeditionary forces are needed to seize territory. ... Russia does not need overseas territories. The paradigm of the development of the continental empire does not provide for this!

[Vadim F]

there will be no empire. fence and rot in the swamp.

[Alexey from Perm]

global naval operations are carried out by all who can, and nuclear weapons will be used only in a global war, i.e. never...

[Vadim F]

here the herds of potreots will disagree with you - every day they dream of a nuclear ticket to paradise.

[Evgeny Seleznev]

You should not rely on a "nuclear baton" in the age of local conflicts with the use of high-precision weapons, with the ability to have a high-tech and well-developed enemy - like Japan, here the Pacific Fleet looks poor and pale, for a couple of islands the Third World War will not start, since the mission will be short-lived and end up undermined by the country's prestige. And the quantity and quality of pennants, maritime logistics, and the pace of construction matter. As an example, the operation in Syria, the provision of logistics killed the resource of the BDK (for not having universal supply vessels) and the VTA. This is certainly more frustrating than waving a "nuclear club" for any reason, but China is another matter here, Japan is already wary of it. And all the neighbors live in the same area. That's the whole truth.

[Flooding]

... The report indicates that Russia is currently pursuing the goal of "destabilizing and weakening NATO."

It would be strange to pursue a different goal, given that NATO sees Russia as the main potential adversary.

[Vadim F]

vicious circle. and Russia is the initiator of the rotation.

[Mountain shooter]

Have you tried to write about your troops? Is the German army fully operational? What if the Americans don't come to rescue? The striped-eared troops in Europe will not be enough for anything at all ... Why don't they imagine themselves in a situation where Europe is alone with the "Russian bear", who was poked with a stick, teased, spat, doused with slop ... And he suddenly got angry ... They call the American uncle, and his BLM raged, on the stock exchange the devil are ... not up to Europe

[mitroha]

Of course, they are considering such an option, but bringing its result to their population is more expensive for themselves.

[Alien From]

Silence would be nemchure in a tube!

[Hermit21]

To them in Berlin attributed the lack of shock drones

Which is somehow critical in local conflicts. You will not be hit by UBLA, but by "toys" more serious

[Gennady Fomkin]

Once the Germans were an ARMY:

[Sailor]

The weak points of our Armed Forces are one-year-old conscripts and the practically "crushed" Navy!

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

These experts would be looking for ways to get rid of the occupation of their country for good.

[svp67]

These in Berlin were attributed to the lack of attack drones and the limited ability to conduct long-term naval operations "on a global scale."

Well, with drone UAVs, the question is still the same, but the conduct of a long naval operation on a WORLD SCALE is somehow not clear. Does Germany suspect that Russia is preparing to seize colonies?

[hydrox]

A hundred years ago, Germany was not given the opportunity to acquire colonies and the fleet was taken away, after that it was gouged and deprived of the navy in the Second World War - again, it’s awkward - but how the amputated dissatisfaction in the absence of colonies hurts, because all the prerequisites were there, but not luck !!!

[orionvitt]

Quote: hydrox

A hundred years ago, Germany was not given the opportunity to acquire colonies

Not entirely true, just the Germans were late for the section. When world predators seized colonies and divided the world, Germany as a single state did not exist (to the question of the "many thousand years" history of the German Reich). It appeared only in the second half of the 19th century. And when they rushed, everything was already divided. A couple of pieces of land in Southeast Asia and Africa are not counted. So they began to "direct the nix", as they say, on the spot, that is, in Europe.

[Ros 56]

And they all eliminated their shortcomings, how are flightless planes and non-traveling tanks doing there? Well, the ballons will stick their nose into all the cracks.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Once the Germans were an ARMY:

Minusers can do this:

[rocket757]

When there were ARMYs in geyrope, it was .... it was shorter.
As biomass, there are certainly more of them than we are, but this is not always decisive.

[hydrox]

These national armies lack goal-setting, for which they have to go into battle, and the people in common sense simply do not want to die for other people's politically worthless interests, especially since NATO for all Europeans is not a national body, but is controlled by the occupiers.

[rocket757]

Unfortunately, politicians hammer, move in one direction ... because of fear, people do not act rationally, this must always be taken into account!

[rocket757]

These in Berlin included the lack of attack drones and the limited ability to conduct long-term naval operations "on a global scale.

Ahfiget! Did they write it seriously ???

[bar]

Quote: rocket757

Ahfiget! Did they write it seriously ???

Well, what else could they write? There is nothing more to cling to

[rocket757]

Serious guys were when that.
No, women would use alternative defense ministers to level the military well .....

[K-50]

German Defense Ministry reveals the weaknesses of the Russian and Chinese armies

I don’t know about China, but Russia is sometimes too kind to the enemy.

[hydrox]

It is not Russia that is kind to the enemy, but the Russian authorities are eager to snuggle up to the enemy's body, appearing before him in any capacity - even cowards, even gaskets, even pipifax - but all due to the fact that the liberties in power are a clear overkill: hundreds of times more than demographic statistics allow

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

At the same time, the Russian army also has shortcomings, the document says. These in Berlin were attributed to the lack of attack drones and the limited ability to conduct long-term naval operations "on a global scale."

I wonder where the Germans found the ocean between themselves and us?
All three times we came to Berlin without getting our feet wet. If anything happens today, it will not be recommended to look into the capital of Germany for another five centuries, due to the strong radioactive contamination! It would be naive to believe that we will set the task of storming the city as in 45!

[Cat]

If anything happens today, it will not be recommended to look into the capital of Germany for another five centuries, due to the strong radioactive contamination! It would be naive to believe that we will set the task of storming the city as in 45!

That is why such bloodthirstiness? Place roadblocks, stop the supply of the Internet, beer and sausages. Every local Muslim to promise amnesty for 2 captured Germans. And that's all

[bar]

limited opportunities for long-term naval operations "on a global scale"

Why should the Wehrmacht worry about "global sea operations"? First, the Wehrmacht itself is not ready for them. And secondly, the Russian Armed Forces and dry land will quite get to them. After all, we are on the same continent with them.

[sawic1]

The Chinese army has a high level of training, compared to the same Bundeswehr, but there is not enough combat experience

[APASUS]

In the age of globalization, one should rather fear not military power, but economic, political and corrupt media, heterogeneous NGOs, philanthropists like Soros.
This is how Ukraine was brought to its knees in 20 years without war. During the collapse of the USSR, it was the third country in Europe.

[orionvitt]

lack of strike drones

As far as we know, there are developments in this area, developments too, so things are moving forward, let them not worry. And on the question

limited opportunities for long-term naval operations "on a global scale"

then the Germans write off the problem from themselves (purely Western psychology). Russia has always been more concerned with security on its territory and on its borders. Naval operations "on a global scale" are the lot of the aggressor.

[501 Legion]

Nemchura is jealous, they are all nobody without mattress

[art266]

Where is Germany and where is China! Why would the Germans fear China?

[Prisoner]

We also forgot to indicate one "weakness". We do not have these very ones (what is the correct name for them, so as not to fall under the "sanctions"?).

[Growlers]

In the Bundeswehr, of course, there is complete order with both attack drones and "the ability to conduct long-term naval operations on a global scale." Just imagine ...

[TermNachTer]

And the burghers don't want to look at themselves, in the mirror?))) Once one of the strongest armies in Europe, it turned into an LGBT brothel, with a tavern for the poor)))

[NF68]

The Germans themselves would not hurt to take a closer look at their Bundeswehr. Manstein and co., Seeing this mess in the coffins, spin faster than gyroscopes.

[iouris]

That's all right. Because Russians are not able to invade anywhere, SP-2 does not threaten the security of Europe, therefore the US is mistaken in opposing. And some here with their comments prevent the completion of SP-2.

[polk26l]

This is a simple complacency of the Germans, as well as of other Americans and NATO in general! With these so-called shortcomings, which are quickly eliminated, the Russian Armed Forces are capable of destroying any army of the EU countries and, separately, the US army in the shortest possible time! So enemies, remember history and study the classics better!

[Gregory Charnota]

Quote: zadorin1974

sinking of the cruiser Hood by the German battleship Bismarck (World War II)
Battle of Jutland sinking of three British cruisers (World War I)

[Gregory Charnota]

amusing army of germany has an opinion? )))

[Evgeny Seleznev]

Quote "The lack of attack drones and the limited ability to conduct long-term naval operations" on a global scale ", in principle, everything is logical.