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Russian drone "Altius" will be tested with a full range of guided weapons

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Russian drone "Altius" will be tested with a full range of guided weapons

The Russian reconnaissance and strike drone "Altius" will be tested using the entire spectrum of guided weapons. It is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.


According to the source, in the summer of 2021, a series of tests of the Altius UAV will be carried out to use the entire range of high-precision weaponsincluding rockets designed specifically for the drone. The strikes will be practiced against typical targets: Tanks, artillery, accumulation of manpower, shelters, etc.

Test flights of the Altius prototype are scheduled for the summer of this year, with the first airstrikes on targets at ranges with air-to-surface guided weapons, including high-precision guided missiles and guided bombs from the complex developed specifically for UAVs.

- said the source, adding that tests of conventional free-fall bombs from a drone have already been carried out and recognized as successful.

In mid-February of this year, it became known that the Ministry of Defense had ordered a pilot batch of Altius drones, the delivery time was not disclosed.

Altius-U "is the final appearance of the drone, created as a result of the development and testing of a number of prototypes within the Altair project. The newest unmanned complex is capable of performing the entire range of reconnaissance missions, as well as using aviation means of destruction. In February 2020, it was reported that a drone of high-precision gliding bombs 9-А-7759 "Thunder" was received by the drone.

UAV Altius has a wingspan of 28,5 m, a length of 11,6 m, and take-off weight of 6 tons. The flight altitude is 12 thousand meters, the flight range is up to 10 thousand km. In this case, the UAV can be in the air for up to 48 hours. The installed equipment allows reconnaissance at a great distance. The drone can also be controlled via satellite, which makes its range almost unlimited.
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  1. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 8 March 2021 07: 15
    +17
    "Tremble Erdogan!"
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 8 March 2021 08: 18
      +5
      What has Erdogan got to do with it?))))
      1. Koval Sergey
        Koval Sergey 8 March 2021 18: 15
        +17
        Quote: carstorm 11
        What has Erdogan got to do with it?

        Answer to the Bayraktars
        1. Azimuth
          Azimuth 8 March 2021 19: 27
          0
          Bayraktar has already adopted his Akinji, but this is a qualitatively different class of reconnaissance and strike UAVs.

          The Turks are still very far from our, European, American and Israeli UAVs.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 8 March 2021 19: 48
            -1
            Quote: Azimuth
            The Turks are still very far from our, European, American and Israeli UAVs.

            Why?
            1. Azimuth
              Azimuth 8 March 2021 21: 11
              +2
              Technology level ...
              Turkey does not have technologies even close to those of Israel, not to mention the technologies of countries like the USA, Great Britain, France or us.
              Even orders of magnitude superior and more advanced American drone was intercepted and planted by the Iranians, mind you, on the plane, with the help of our not the most modern electronic warfare system. In the case of Turkey, the Turks are only at the beginning of the journey, while all their weapons systems are a LEGO designer on nodes sometimes not even for military purposes, or of the previous generation, that is, outdated from the beginning. A more advanced China has not yet reached perfection, although it has been producing shock UAVs for a long time, and the Turks will repeat myself at the beginning of their journey, they need more than one decade.
              In addition, a modern and self-sufficient military-industrial complex is a school, and specialists, and a lot of money, the Turks simply do not have all this. The Americans and Europeans keep the Turks and have always kept them on a short leash in terms of military-technical cooperation and technology transfer. As a result, everything Turkey has a closed loop. For example, in rocketry, these are mainly Chinese systems, and not the most advanced and new ones, or European old stuff from the times of Tsar Pea. In the artillery, the Turks recently made a noise about the creation of a projectile with a programmable electronic fuse for their Korkut SPAAG, but this is most of all designed for a stupid and narrow-minded peasant somewhere in the Turkish countryside. Any specialist will tell you that this is a system of the 50s, the installation with a twin cannon was widespread in the 80s, it was released even by Myanmar, which now does not leave the news screen, programmable shells were developed by the Germans and Swiss, too, when there was no demand was, so almost 30 years later, with a light heart, they sold it to a junk dealer in the person of the Turkish military-industrial complex.
              The same thing with UAVs, the Turks sometimes present everything as if they were the first, but in fact they are simply the cheapest and with a product that is by no means the most modern and advanced.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 8 March 2021 21: 26
                -3
                Everything is clear with you, all the best hi
                1. Azimuth
                  Azimuth 8 March 2021 21: 33
                  +2
                  laughing mistook me for a hurray-patriot? Or do you disagree with the assessment of the capabilities and level of the Turkish military-industrial complex?
                  Squat at least one original development of the Turks and at least corresponding to the level not even 2020, but for example 2000.
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 8 March 2021 22: 17
                    -6
                    You separate the Turks into a separate group when they are a "western" manufacturer of equipment. Their designs are no different from American, Israeli, European. They have one engineering and technical base, they all study at the same universities, use the same components. Therefore, Turkish developments are no better and no worse than Western ones, they are the same.
                    The Chinese are worse, they have no access to Western military technology. You can't look at Russian UAVs without tears. The quality of production is low, the components are foreign, the possibilities are ridiculous. Just a Spanish shame, really. The saturation in the troops is ridiculous, well, at least the unfortunate Orlan-10 was scolded. So far, not all channels for the supply of components have been closed.
                    In the Turkish troops already now shock and reconnaissance UAVs (without foreign, kamikaze, light reconnaissance):
                    ~ 10 Karael
                    ~ 120 Bayraktar TB2
                    ~ 30 ANKA
                    Soon:
                    - 6 Akinci (AFAR, V-B missiles)
                    -? Aksungur

                    Already, the first 3 of these attack UAVs are being exported.
                    No purely original developments? Why do they need them? It is expensive and ineffective. It is easier to copy the best developments, they are NATO members, they have access to almost everything. About the fact that they are leaders in the UAV structure, this is the Turkish Uryakly.
                    While they follow the United States and Israel (Europe is not engaged in the production of M (H) ALE), China is ahead of them due to jet UAVs (there will be Turkish jet drones in 2023), Iran is much worse, but many types and units are produced. Then all the others come, here we are.
                    PS About the allegedly "planted" by Iran American UAVs are branchy cranberries. The drone broke down or the operator made a mistake, planned and sat down. That's all. UAVs and aircraft crash every year.
                2. antivirus
                  antivirus 8 March 2021 23: 13
                  0
                  I am glad that 100 VI Av is not being built, and the control of Eurasia is being strengthened ................................
        2. Alexey from Perm
          Alexey from Perm 8 March 2021 22: 45
          -1
          Realistically evaluate, they have bayraktars, they have been fighting for a long time, but we are only still planning to test weapons ... before they are deployed, another 3 years .. at best ..
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 8 March 2021 23: 54
            +1
            Bayraktar's analogs have already put a test batch and tested it.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 00: 05
              -1
              Orion analogue of MQ-1 and Turkish ANKA. Bayraktar is almost 2 times smaller than them. It has no direct analogue in Russia, it is much larger than the Outpost and much smaller than Orion.
    2. Maz
      Maz 8 March 2021 14: 22
      +5
      Garnier thing and flies far, and high, and a station wagon, Schaub more of them in the troops the day before yesterday.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 March 2021 07: 15
    +4
    To Syria for testing it, there are Turks with their mongrels, there are a lot of equipment, so to arrange the "Karabakh variant" shaka-lamas!
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 8 March 2021 16: 20
      0
      In this case, not a good idea - too close to the Turkish border. Erdoganians can fire from the F-16, and without flying into Syria. It's good if ground-based electronic warfare helps, but it's unpredictable.
  3. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 8 March 2021 07: 21
    -6
    "The drone can also be controlled via satellite, making its range almost unlimited." And I, naive, thought that the flight range depends on the propulsion system and ..... fuel consumption! In, as it turns out!
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 8 March 2021 07: 30
      +10
      Yuri71 - Imagine that the UAV received a refueling system in the air, thus the range of its flight increases significantly as well as the time spent in the air. And, with a range of 10 thousand kilometers, how will the operator control it? Only via satellite, although as an option an AWACS aircraft can be used, but only for target designation. And so, via satellite!
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 8 March 2021 14: 17
        +2
        Quote: Thrifty
        Imagine that the uav has received a refueling system in the air, thus the range of its flight increases significantly as well as the time spent in the air

        I think there is something else here. Perhaps it means that the UAV itself can be located, for example, at the Khmeimim base, in the combat zone and, accordingly, in the high-risk zone, which entails additional difficulties in ensuring the safety and financing of application and maintenance specialists. When using a satellite control channel, an expensive ground control station can be permanently located in an absolutely safe area in the interior of the country (even in the Kremlin, better in Voronezh), use operators without additional payments for a business trip to a combat zone, with normal working hours, and perform at the same time, the real combat mission is to patrol the designated area of ​​responsibility. In this case, it is not at all necessary to drive the device to the maximum range for the entire 10 km. The main thing is that the time of its continuous stay in the air is 000 hours, after which it will be replaced by another. And so it is possible to achieve round-the-clock continuous stay in the air in the desired area of ​​a set of reconnaissance and strike equipment while reducing risks to people and expensive control systems.
        1. Azimuth
          Azimuth 8 March 2021 19: 30
          +1
          Quote: Hagen
          Quote: Thrifty
          Imagine that the uav has received a refueling system in the air, thus the range of its flight increases significantly as well as the time spent in the air

          I think there is something else here. Perhaps it means that the UAV itself can be located, for example, at the Khmeimim base, in the combat zone and, accordingly, in the high-risk zone, which entails additional difficulties in ensuring the safety and financing of application and maintenance specialists. When using a satellite control channel, an expensive ground control station can be permanently located in an absolutely safe area in the interior of the country (even in the Kremlin, it is better in Voronezh), use operators without additional payments for business trips to the combat zone, with normal working hours, and perform at the same time, a real combat mission is to patrol the designated area of ​​responsibility.
          Everything that you have painted is implemented by the Americans. Command posts in Florida, a repeater in the Federal Republic of Germany based in Ramstein, and UAVs shoot at weddings in Afghanistan.
    2. Professor
      Professor 8 March 2021 07: 56
      -9
      Quote: Yuriy71
      "The drone can also be controlled via satellite, making its range almost unlimited." And I, naive, thought that the flight range depends on the propulsion system and ..... fuel consumption! In, as it turns out!

      The author wanted to write "which significantly increases the combat radius of the aircraft" wink
    3. Reviews
      Reviews 8 March 2021 08: 31
      +3
      Quote: Yuriy71
      "The drone can also be controlled via satellite, which makes its range applications almost unlimited. "And I, naive, thought that the range flight depends on the propulsion system and ..... fuel consumption! In, as it turns out!

      Do you really think these words are absolutely identical? If the strike UAV flew away beyond radio visibility, there is little sense from it - apply it won't work. And the radio horizon can be 400 ... 500 km with a practical range of 10 thousand km. However, the same applies to the reconnaissance UAV, if we are talking about the live broadcast of the situation.
  4. Bez 310
    Bez 310 8 March 2021 07: 57
    -1
    "The drone can also be controlled via satellite"
    These words are somehow alarming ...
    I would like to know about the possible control options,
    and also about the possibility of an autonomous flight according to the program.
    1. loki565
      loki565 8 March 2021 08: 12
      +1
      I would like to know about the possible control options,
      and also about the possibility of an autonomous flight according to the program.

      Well, the widely advertised Bayraktar is controlled from a ground station and the combat radius is only 150 km, using an additional drone - a slightly larger repeater)))
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 8 March 2021 08: 25
        0
        Quote: loki565
        Bayraktar

        We must not be equal to the Turkish UAV, but
        for American, such as MQ-1 and RQ-4.
        1. loki565
          loki565 8 March 2021 12: 02
          0
          Must be all types, MQ-1 and RQ-4. big and expensive, they are better seen by radars.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 8 March 2021 16: 02
          -3
          for American, such as MQ-1 and RQ-4.
          hmm .. in order to be equal to American partners, for a start, it can have its own satellite constellation with the necessary coverage (how many "live" there are: Messengers and Glonassa remained in working order for 2020! ??? laughing wink ), its "silicon valley" and to the heap more, its components at the level of their technologies, at least a minimal part (only for military applications) ...!?
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 8 March 2021 17: 02
            -2
            That is why I am not happy
            reports on future achievements.
            It's all so pathetic ...
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 8 March 2021 13: 51
      0
      I would like to know about the possible control options,
      and also about the possibility of an autonomous flight according to the program.

      And without such capabilities, a drone of this size and such range and flight duration, in my opinion, is not needed ...
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 8 March 2021 08: 07
    +5
    I am interested in the question of what kind of engines are on it, there was information that a former compatriot created a company in Germany, developed a diesel engine using German technologies and submitted the documentation for the production of the engine on time.
    1. AlexG83
      AlexG83 8 March 2021 14: 04
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I am interested in the question of what kind of engines are on it, there was information that a former compatriot created a company in Germany, developed a diesel engine using German technologies and submitted the documentation for the production of the engine on time.

      VK-800S (800hp) from Klimov. Judging by the infe on the internet.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 8 March 2021 14: 21
        +1
        I stumbled upon an article about the creation of this UAV. Thanks to your information on the engine. There is a whole detective. The engine is really good, it should give out 900 l / s. Will be put on our light helicopters and licensed l 410, which means there will be large-scale production with a reduction in price. Thank you!
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 8 March 2021 14: 27
          0
          Special thanks to the Israeli comrades. We trained on their two "kittens", and what happened if you launch from the FFI in one direction through the North Pole will easily fly to Florida. Elements of artificial intelligence are used in the management.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 8 March 2021 16: 05
      -3
      a company in the Federal Republic of Germany developed a diesel engine using German technologies and submitted the documentation for the production of the engine on time
      that is, elementary under the cover of a small company, he took and passed on a number of German technologies, missing birches, with a glass of German beer and a plate of Bavarian sausages ... a very naive assumption ... winked
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 8 March 2021 16: 07
        0
        For money and love for birches, probably happy !!!
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 8 March 2021 16: 24
          0
          For money and love for birches, probably happy !!!
          I hope that after the transfer, everything is fine in the personal and professional sphere ... laughing
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 March 2021 08: 09
    0
    It is necessary to stir the rolls, otherwise they will experience another couple of years.
  7. kitpit
    kitpit 8 March 2021 12: 07
    +3
    On Banderlog you need to test smile combine business with pleasure
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 8 March 2021 16: 06
      -3
      On banderlogs you need to experience smile business with pleasure combine
      maybe on Moscow bears, for starters ...!? wink laughing
  8. Maz
    Maz 8 March 2021 14: 21
    0
    Quote: Yuriy71
    "The drone can also be controlled via satellite, making its range almost unlimited." And I, naive, thought that the flight range depends on the propulsion system and ..... fuel consumption! In, as it turns out!

    and naive about refueling in the air has not yet been told?
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 8 March 2021 15: 14
      +1
      Quote: Maz
      Quote: Yuriy71
      "The drone can also be controlled via satellite, making its range almost unlimited." And I, naive, thought that the flight range depends on the propulsion system and ..... fuel consumption! In, as it turns out!

      and naive about refueling in the air has not yet been told?

      You are Zionists, you always tell tales about some unknown refueling of drones in the air.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 8 March 2021 16: 10
        -4
        You are Zionists, you always tell tales about some unknown refueling of drones
        Well, some "lovers" of cartoons, because they look about: 20 Machs and with a nuclear direct-flow, to heaps and all kinds of "sea Gods" are worshiped, with an unlimited range .., then you can believe in an unknown refueling !? laughing wink
  9. andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 8 March 2021 16: 19
    -3
    Quote: Intruder
    You are Zionists, you always tell tales about some unknown refueling of drones
    Well, some "lovers" of cartoons, because they look about: 20 Machs and with a nuclear direct-flow, to heaps and all kinds of "sea Gods" are worshiped, with an unlimited range .., then you can believe in an unknown refueling !? laughing wink

    Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin announced the superiority of the domestic multiplication table over foreign counterparts.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 8 March 2021 16: 26
      -4
      Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin announced the superiority of the domestic multiplication table over foreign counterparts.
      sho again belay , trampolines when will be announced (those that before Aldebaran throw 150 tons of useful ...), if you have already written down your multiplication table! ??? wink
  10. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 8 March 2021 21: 26
    0
    > The drone can also be controlled via satellite, making its range almost unlimited.
    The term range does not fit with the control model. Those. here it is rather about the possibilities of application unlimited by geography. And the news itself is good news for us and bad news for the spiteful critics.
  11. Azimuth
    Azimuth 8 March 2021 22: 48
    -1
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    You separate the Turks into a separate group when they are a "western" manufacturer of equipment. Their designs are no different from American, Israeli, European. They have one engineering and technical base, they all study at the same universities, use the same components. Therefore, Turkish developments are no better and no worse than Western ones, they are the same.
    The Chinese are worse, they have no access to Western military technology. You can't look at Russian UAVs without tears. The quality of production is low, the components are foreign, the possibilities are ridiculous. Just a Spanish shame, really. The saturation in the troops is ridiculous, well, at least the unfortunate Orlan-10 was scolded. So far, not all channels for the supply of components have been closed.
    In the Turkish troops already now shock and reconnaissance UAVs (without foreign, kamikaze, light reconnaissance):
    ~ 10 Karael
    ~ 120 Bayraktar TB2
    ~ 30 ANKA
    Soon:
    - 6 Akinci (AFAR, V-B missiles)
    -? Aksungur

    Already, the first 3 of these attack UAVs are being exported.
    No purely original developments? Why do they need them? It is expensive and ineffective. It is easier to copy the best developments, they are NATO members, they have access to almost everything. About the fact that they are leaders in the UAV structure, this is the Turkish Uryakly.
    While they follow the United States and Israel (Europe is not engaged in the production of M (H) ALE), China is ahead of them due to jet UAVs (there will be Turkish jet drones in 2023), Iran is much worse, but many types and units are produced. Then all the others come, here we are.
    PS About the allegedly "planted" by Iran American UAVs are branchy cranberries. The drone broke down or the operator made a mistake, planned and sat down. That's all. UAVs and aircraft crash every year.

    About the latter. And how did the drone break down so that it was accompanied and filmed by an Iranian Air Force fighter, and moreover, the UAV sat down at the Iranian airfield and so clearly landed ...

    Participants of cooperation in NATO were amused about Turkey.
    A simple example, the foreign community of a dwarf state like Armenia, which is also a member of the CSTO, and we are essentially a military bloc opposing NATO, managed to ensure that the Turkish TV2 UAV was left without engines and electronics supplied from NATO countries. What kind of cooperation is this? What union ?!

    Let's go further. What does the independence of the military-industrial complex mean? This is sovereignty. Turkey has now not been able to supply helicopters to Pakistan, before that and much more, having received an advance payment, it could not deliver to Azerbaijan, as a result, it bought almost everything from the list from us.

    Turkey cannot now produce either the full-fledged Fyrtyn ACS or the Altai MBT, in general from the word at all, because there is no engine and no ... armor for this French-made tank, as a result, it somehow rivets the turrets and decided to put them on the Leopard MBT chassis 2. Do you understand what it is? ...

    Turkey was left without an F-35 fighter, because the United States is a NATO ally. You say this is because of the purchase of the S-400 from us, well, so we also sold not a single S-300 air defense system to the Greeks, the same NATO country, but the Tor, and also the Osa-AKM from above, and nothing, no one is against the Greeks I did not impose any sanctions ... I repeat and give a real argument about the opposite, you Turks are on a short leash in NATO, something like, I apologize second-rate or something.

    So once again, my recognition and respect, it is good for a Turk to write in Russian, but in the rest - go down from heaven to earth. There are realities and they are not so rosy.

    In our country, too, during the pre-election period, a lot of things are told, shown, praised, promised and sulky in the ears, you are already there, in my opinion, into space.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 8 March 2021 23: 15
      -1
      Quote: Azimuth
      And how did the drone break down so that it was accompanied and filmed by a fighter of the Iranian Air Force, and even landed the UAV at the Iranian airfield and so clearly entered the landing?

      Another cranberry. He sat down in the field. The UAV violated the state border of Iran, naturally, a fighter was sent to intercept it.
      Quote: Azimuth
      managed to ensure that the Turkish UAV TV2 was left without engines and electronics supplied from NATO countries.

      We entered the clearing of France, a conflict of interest, now all restrictions have been lifted, production continues. Put everyone and everything on Armenia. For them, joining Russia is the best option.
      Quote: Azimuth
      What does the independence of the military-industrial complex mean? This is sovereignty.

      There are no independent military-industrial complexes, all countries use foreign components and components. Some are more, some are less.
      Quote: Azimuth
      I repeat and give a real argument about the opposite, you Turks are on a short leash in NATO, something like, I apologize, second-rate or something.

      It is such a competition, the Turks have raised their heads, they are developing their military-industrial complex, the USA does not need this, they block access to first-class technologies. To get them, Erdogan begins to compete. Everything is logical. This does not mean that they are not allies or there is some kind of conflict, it just is life. In reality, whoever the graters are with is France, Erdogan is dancing a jig on their testicles.
      Quote: Azimuth
      good for a Turk write in Russian, but in the rest - fall from heaven to earth.

      Thank you, accusations that I am a Turk, competing with a Ukrainian and a Jew. It's time to start the competition.
      I am on the ground and clearly give an account of where Turkey is and where Russia is. Simple numbers to understand this:
      The level of foreign direct investment in Turkey in 2020 was $ 4,4 billion (according to the opposition newspaper Sözcü). For comparison, to Russia - 1,4 billion (data from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation)

      Capital outflows from Turkey in 2020 amounted to $ 1,4 billion (data from the opposition newspaper Sözcü). Capital outflow from Russia amounted to 47,8 billion dollars (data from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation)
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 9 March 2021 02: 45
        -1
        In reality, whoever the graters are with is France, Erdogan is dancing a jig on their testicles.
        he is still licking his lips on the oil fields next to Greece and Cyprus since the summer of 2019, in any case, he can and will decide to squeeze these sea territories ...!? winked
        1. Azimuth
          Azimuth 9 March 2021 03: 22
          -2
          Will snatch in full ...
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 08: 08
          0
          They will not be allowed. And you don't need it. There is no need to oversimplify, there are multi-pass games. Moreover, not one thousand years, on this earth.
          Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said that Turkey and Egypt can sign an agreement on the delimitation of the maritime space in the Mediterranean with a positive dynamic in the development of relations, Yeni Şafak newspaper reports.

          We will remind, earlier, Egypt announced a tender for the exploration of hydrocarbons in the Eastern Mediterranean, recognizing the Turkish version of the demarcation of the maritime boundaries, and not the Greek. Greek media reported that this could be a sign of a tacit agreement between Ankara and Cairo.

          The Greek newspaper Καθημερινή reports that this step does not mean immediate reconciliation, but Cairo has left the door open for future negotiations with Turkey.

          On our own behalf, we add that the Greek version of the division of the Mediterranean is extremely unprofitable for Egypt, which will lose a fairly large maritime territory when the Greek vision is implemented (map of territories that Egypt will lose, the second)



  12. Azimuth
    Azimuth 9 March 2021 03: 15
    0
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    ... I give a clear account of where Turkey is and where Russia is. Simple numbers to understand this:
    The level of foreign direct investment in Turkey in 2020 was $ 4,4 billion (according to the opposition newspaper Sözcü). For comparison, to Russia - 1,4 billion (data from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation)

    Capital outflows from Turkey in 2020 amounted to $ 1,4 billion (data from the opposition newspaper Sözcü). Capital outflow from Russia amounted to 47,8 billion dollars (data from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation)
    Hm, not only do you not realize yourself, do not know the situation in the economy and do not know economic analysis, but you are not on friendly terms with elementary logic and arithmetic.

    As you write, the outflow of capital from Russia amounted to $ 47,8 billion. Well, if you understand at least something, then you probably guess that this money did not come from thin air in our country, and the outflow in our country or countries becomes FOREIGN DIRECT INVESTMENT, right? We invested almost $ 48 billion, we invested a maximum of $ 20 per year, then our outflow was almost twice as high as the current figures, and what are the conclusions?

    Well, in general, compare us and Turkey ...
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 08: 29
      -2
      Quote: Azimuth
      Well, in general, compare us and Turkey ...

      I say, everything is clear with you. Chauvinism does not allow you to look at reality. The current Russian government has brought the country to the point that it is necessary to compare us with Turkey, and their government has brought it to the point that it became possible to compare them with us. China, USA, Europe are simply not comparable in numbers. The legacy of the USSR still remains on it and we hold on.
      Space, you say, Turkey does not yet have rocketry, but we are equal in the number of launched satellites this year. 2 for us, 2 for the Turks. If things go on like this, they will overtake them in launches. The plan announced by Erdogan is real, executable within the specified time frame.
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  13. Azimuth
    Azimuth 9 March 2021 13: 01
    0
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Quote: Azimuth
    Well, in general, compare us and Turkey ...

    I say, everything is clear with you. Chauvinism does not allow you to look at reality. The current Russian government has brought the country to the point that it is necessary to compare us with Turkey, and their government has brought it to the point that it became possible to compare them with us. China, USA, Europe are simply not comparable in numbers. The legacy of the USSR still remains on it and we hold on.
    Space, you say, Turkey does not yet have rocketry, but we are equal in the number of launched satellites this year. 2 for us, 2 for the Turks. If things go on like this, they will overtake them in launches. The plan announced by Erdogan is real, executable within the specified time frame.

    Not delighted with our authorities, but not ecstatic with some of their fellow citizens.
    Of course, we have a lot of problems, but Turkey is far from our equal. Even in terms of dollars like GDP, etc.
    If we turn to our capabilities and proceed from our internal prices, the gap between us is simply HUGE, in that sisle and technological, even taking into account how you correctly noted that we are largely driving on the backlog of the times of the USSR, this is called continuity. But even giant China, for example, has no such groundwork, what can we say about Turkey.

    For us in global defense, UAVs like Turkish TV2 and others are not so important. And where it was necessary to eat our own, we develop this direction, and also took the best foreign. But for example the same "Okhotnik", it has only one analogue abroad, which is also in the testing stage, and the technology itself is not available to the same Turkey, its much more advanced Israel, or the same China. Only we and the United States, and here we can talk about parity and importance, something to compare.
    We could compare our Su-57 by many criteria with the F-22, or the F-35, but this is the United States and we have no competitors here, China with its crafts on our engines does not count, and what kind of Turkey is there, for example, Japan has not yet approached to the pre-production or final appearance of your fighter.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 13: 30
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      Quote: Azimuth
      Even in terms of dollars like GDP, etc.

      I see that he is an adequate person. Ditch your prejudices and just compare the numbers. Everything is very close. Somewhere more, somewhere less.
      GDP data from IMF 2018 2019
      7 Russia 4010 $ 4136 billion
      14 Turkey 2406 2472
      But per capita:
      50 Turkey 29343 29724 $
      53 Russia 27317 28184 $
      Quote: Azimuth
      based on our domestic prices, the gap between us is HUGE

      Turkey's prices are the same as ours. Salaries are comparable. By the way, their minimum wage is ~ 24000 rubles, we have ~ 12 rubles
      Quote: Azimuth
      But even giant China, for example, has no such groundwork, what can we say about Turkey.

      Separates the west and Turkey again. Almost all leading employees have education in the United States, Britain, Germany. Military, engineers, scientists, politicians.
      Selcuk Bayraktar graduated from Istanbul Technical University in 2002. He holds master's degrees from the University of Pennsylvania and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Georgia Institute of Technology Ph.D.
      Quote: Azimuth
      For us in global defense, UAVs like Turkish TV2 and others are not so important.

      Of course not. But in real wars in which we have participated and are participating over the past 40 years, they are needed like air. The USSR understood this and did the UAV. This became clear to the Russian leadership recently.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 13: 44
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      Quote: Azimuth
      But for example the same "Okhotnik", it has only one analogue abroad, which is also in the testing stage, and the technology itself is not available to the same Turkey, its much more advanced Israel, or the same China.

      You are wrong. In the United States, analogues passed the entire range of tests 15-20 years ago. Recognized as useless. Only as a long-range bomber or scout


      RQ-170/180 is in service with the intelligence community ~ 20 of them
      China's counterparts fly for 10-15 years.



      Turkey makes jet UAVs. 2 projects, first flight 2023. According to the concept of LoyalWingman and an attack-reconnaissance UAV.

      Hunter type projects are dead-end branch. Very limited in functionality, very expensive.
      Quote: Azimuth
      We could compare our Su-57 by many criteria with the F-22, or F-35

      The backlog of the USSR is still working, but with a creak. It will be worse further if the government does not change.
      By the 30th year, the 5th generation will be in South Korea, Turkey / Britain, Japan (maybe already the 6th) and not the fact that it is less than ours. China already has more than we do. You can debate as much as you like whose engines and criteria, but ...
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 14: 21
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        I forgot with their "Shahid-171" and "Shahid-191"

        French nEORUn


        With the Hunter, we are not only the first, but somehow in the top five countries. If you go by the models, then in the top ten.
        1. Azimuth
          Azimuth 9 March 2021 15: 40
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          You took the appearance, "stealth", do not take into account the characteristics and purpose, that is, do not compare the content
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 9 March 2021 15: 44
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            Content?

            Well, yes, UAVs that are remotely controlled by the Hero of Russia are rare. The hunter is a flying mock-up; it is still a few years away from a full-fledged prototype.
            1. Azimuth
              Azimuth 9 March 2021 16: 24
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              laughing laughing laughing this is actually a test.

              There are two of you here, I guess both are from the same deck with bakinec
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 March 2021 21: 52
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    It's time to think about V-V rockets as well.