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The Ukrainian armored personnel carrier is a possible competitor to our promising Kurganets-25 and Boomerang platforms.

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In 2002, the results of the completed tests of the BTR-3 in the United Arab Emirates and taking into account the requirements of potential customers in the KMDB, the development of the prospective BTR-4 armored personnel carrier began. It was carried out at the expense of the team’s internal funds and received the Ladia cipher of developmental works (ROC). The prototype machine was first demonstrated at the Aerosvit exhibition in Kiev in 2006. When designing, the designers were given the following tasks: strengthening armor protection compared to the BTR-3, ensuring the landing of the assault force through the stern, improving crew living conditions, retaining the ability to force water barriers, increasing mobility and average speeds, creating a single chassis for the whole family of armored vehicles.

According to the expressed wishes of the probable buyers of the armored personnel carrier, the KMDB employees chose the layout with the front management compartment, the MTO middle compartment and the deployment of the combined combat and airborne squad compartment so that the infantrymen could leave the car through the stern hatches.

Purpose and layout

The BTR-4 is designed for transporting personnel of motorized rifle units and their fire support in combat, conducting combat operations in various climatic conditions, as well as when used by the enemy weapons mass destruction. The armored personnel carrier can be used both during the day and at night, make marches on roads with different pavement and move around the area where there is a complete lack of roads.


The range of operating ambient temperatures from -40 to + 55 degrees Celsius.

The amphibious capabilities of the BTR-4 allow it to overcome water bodies, including sea, with waves up to three points (which makes the car attractive to the marine corps). The dimensions of the armored personnel carrier guarantee its transportation on railways and military transport aircraft aviation appropriate carrying capacity, as well as moving along unaccompanied highways.

The machine has a wheel formula 8х8. The layout, as mentioned earlier, with the location of the control compartment (OS) in the bow, the engine-transmission (MTO) - in the middle, and the combined airborne - combat (DBO) - in the rear part of the machine.

Department of Management (OU). Here are the jobs of the driver and commander, as well as controls. For landing in the BTR and getting out of it, the commander and driver in the sides mounted doors with built-in bulletproof glass blocks, and on the roof of the armored personnel carrier above the workplaces - hatches. Bullet-proof glass blocks are inserted into the frontal windows, which can be closed with armored covers (the same protection is on the glass blocks in the doors). The driver's seat is adapted to install a periscope surveillance device and a night vision device for driving at night. In the front sheet opposite the commander’s place there is a loophole with an armored cover - for firing personal automatic weapons.

The engine and transmission compartment (MTO) houses an engine with an automatic hydromechanical transmission and transfer case, as well as other systems ensuring its operation. There is a manhole from the OS to the airborne combat compartment between the starboard side and the MTO partition, which allows the commander and driver to leave the armored personnel carrier through the stern doors in emergency situations. MTO can be equipped with horsepower 480 – 600 engines according to the customer’s choice - 3TD, Deutz or Iveco (as well as other power units of the appropriate class and power). If the buyer of the car prefers the two-stroke diesel 3TD, produced by the Malyshev Plant and developed by the KMDB, the armored personnel carrier will have a roof of the MTO with an injection cooling system and exhaust to the left side. When using imported four-stroke engines, the cooling system is a fan with a silencer on the starboard side. The car reaches ground speed to 110 kilometers per hour, afloat - 10.

In the airborne combat compartment (RBS) there are double stern doors, and on the roof there are landing hatches. In the sides of the remote control are located loopholes, closed with armored covers, for firing personal automatic weapons. Loophole is in the right landing door, and in each top hatch. Individual infantry seats are attached to the roof of the troop compartment and can be positioned along the sides opposite each other or in the center of the vehicle towards the sides. These seats are quick-detachable, which allows you to transform the landing compartment for various tasks and transportation of goods.

The Ukrainian armored personnel carrier is a possible competitor to our promising Kurganets-25 and Boomerang platforms.Armored personnel carriers are supplied with various tower modules developed by both KKBM (BAU-23, Thunder, Squall, Sturm, Parus), and other manufacturers, if they are products of the corresponding class. Characteristics of combat modules and their features - the topic of a separate article, which will be published later.

The regular crew consists of two or three people: the driver and the commander - the operator of the combat module (driver, commander, operator). Plus six to eight motorized infantry units, depending on the installed combat module.

The armored personnel carrier, as already mentioned above, is capable of swimming across water obstacles. It is afloat driven by two jet propellers installed in the aft of the hull along the sides. Before forcing the driver, without leaving the car, activates the water baffle plate and turns on the bilge pumps.

The steering is equipped with power steering. To increase maneuverability, four front wheels are made steering. The armored personnel carrier is equipped with a centralized tire pressure adjustment system, which allows the driver to quickly change the pressure to overcome difficult off-road sections. The MTO has automatic fire-fighting equipment and an air-conditioning system. Inside the OS and DBO are sheathed with Kevlar, preventing the wound of soldiers with chipped armor. This arrangement allows you to quickly transform the RBS without changing the layout decisions on the power plant and transmission to create a wide family of machines. The chassis loading capacity provides not only this, but also the placement of additional armor protection against hits from projectiles of automatic small-caliber guns.

It’s too early to give a rating, but

Currently, a number of vehicle models have been developed on the basis of the BTR-4, including the BTR-4K command vehicle, the repair and recovery vehicle (BREM), the BTR-4KSh command and control vehicle, the BSEM-4K armored sanitary and evacuation vehicle. It is possible to create a MOP-4K fire support vehicle, a BRM-4K combat reconnaissance vehicle, and other products.

In the 2009, the IDEX international defense technology exhibition demonstrated the second prototype of the BTR-4 with the Parus combat module, which was taken as the basis for mass production and delivery to Iraq of the BTR-4Е modification after the necessary modifications. Now, according to the contract signed in 2009, the BTR-4 batch, equipped with the Parus remote control unit, special vehicles - commander, command and staff, medical and repair-evacuation, maintenance, and training simulators, is being released and shipped. The developer of these products and the main contractor under this agreement is KMDB.

BTR-4 are manufactured at the facilities of the KMDB and the Malyshev Plant, a large number of Ukrainian enterprises are involved in the supply of components. The armored personnel carrier was adopted by the Ukrainian army 24 July 2012.

It is too early to assess the project, since there is still no operational experience in the use of armored personnel carriers in the army. But with a mass of 19 tons, this armored personnel carrier has amphibious qualities, reaching the buoyancy limit. To use it as a patrol car in an urban setting, it is possible to install additional armor and protective lattice screens, attachment points for which are nominally mounted on the hull, but the buoyancy will be lost. The chassis allows you to bring the weight of the BTR-4 to 27 tons and has the stock to upgrade. With appropriate funding, components and assemblies that were worked out on the BTR-4 can be used to develop a new generation of armored personnel carrier - the BTR-5.

The editorial staff of the "MIC" asked for the opinion of one of the Russian experts in the field of armored vehicles on the BTR-4. According to him, the available information suggests that the Ukrainian machine is able to compete with domestic promising platforms "Kurganets-25" and "Boomerang."
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey 23 August 2012 10: 52
    +12
    If I understand something in this life, then in what place can the wheeled platform compete with the crawler?
    1. itr
      itr 23 August 2012 10: 55
      +2
      how can a Kurgan be made up if it does not exist but only in words
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 23 August 2012 10: 59
        +1
        Quote: itr



        itr


        We omit your statement.


        An armored personnel carrier was adopted by the Ukrainian army on July 24, 2012.

        It is too early to evaluate the project, as there is no experience in operating armored personnel carriers in the troops.
      2. morpekh
        morpekh 24 August 2012 07: 36
        -1
        So I’m talking about the same thing - how can non-existent vehicles compete with an actual armored personnel carrier? Maybe it’s enough to imitate the news and count on cheers-patriots without a brain?
    2. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 23 August 2012 11: 31
      -8
      Any perfect weapon looks beautiful. This pepelats still looks ugly. So the development is crude.
      1. Kars
        Kars 23 August 2012 11: 37
        +5
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        Any perfect weapon looks beautiful

        This is a serious misconception. Starting with the fact that beauty is a subjective concept, in contrast to efficiency.
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 23 August 2012 13: 24
          +1
          The photo is chosen on the basis of logic, what are the samples and are more monstrous?

          It must be clearly understood that the strength of Ukraine alone is not enough. In Kharkov, wonderful guys, but alone they can not surpass the whole world. Both in development and with market promotion (the situation with Iraq is a case, perhaps the same as Pakistan for tanks), and with ensuring operation.
          The situation looks like with the "Oplot", when even after the release of the modernization of the T-90MS tank, in which there were only hints of a future generation tank, which will be in a couple of years, that Ukraine is unlikely to be able to participate in a tank race. Although, there are also villages where the T-64 can be sold. So it is in this case. Russian models of new cars will appear - let's compare.
          1. Kars
            Kars 23 August 2012 14: 04
            0
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            What are the samples and the more monstrous?

            Naturally --- and they are distinguished by their effectiveness and proven in battle.
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            It must be clearly understood that the strength of Ukraine alone is not enough.

            And where does this relate to the beauty of weapons as a determinant of its perfection?
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            alone they do not surpass the whole world

            And who says that there is such a goal? Although it is necessary to strive for it. And the Ukrainian defense industry is integrating with foreign manufacturers.
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            The situation looks like with Oplot, when even after the release of the modernization of the T-90MS tank

            You just caught up with them --- maybe we are all.
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            which will be in a couple of years that Ukraine is unlikely to be able to participate in the tank race

            And who will participate in it? Russia with itself? The export potential of the same Almaty is minimal for the next 10-15 years (possible operators except Russia only India, where we won’t sell a whole tank for any)
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Although, there are also villages where the T-64 can be boiled

            And we don’t need more, because this is the most promising BTT market. Persian Gulf countries under the USA.
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Russian models of new cars will appear - let's compare

            But the point is - you will compare your new ones with our old ones, if they turn out to be worse, I will be surprised.
            1. Kars
              Kars 23 August 2012 16: 08
              +2
              By the way, about beauty. I personally if I put two tanks next to it, I find it difficult to answer who is prettier, my epithets will be more organic, more technological, proportional.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 23 August 2012 16: 23
                +4
                Well started. let's measure which trunk is longer.
                Quote: Kars
                if you put two tanks next to it, I’m hard to say who is prettier


                Who is longer and prettier.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 23 August 2012 17: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: vorobey
                  Who is longer and prettier

                  This is if a woman would look,))))
                2. Manager
                  Manager 23 August 2012 17: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: vorobey
                  Who is longer and prettier.


                  The main thing is not the size but the ability to work with them ahahahahaH "!!!
            2. morpekh
              morpekh 24 August 2012 07: 46
              0
              “We must clearly understand that ..” Ukraine, not having our resources, manages not to promise - to do. And since the times of the USSR, we have not put ANYTHING into the series, we are not even able to simply reproduce. So, Nikolai S., than to consider gossips to work, is it not better for yourself, godfather to turn around? "Silenok ..." not for us, alas, to sympathize with the Ukrainians, we have no right to a condescending tone.
          2. morpekh
            morpekh 24 August 2012 07: 42
            0
            We must clearly understand that Ukraine, not having our resources, manages not only to promise, but also to do. And we have not put ANYTHING into the series since the times of the USSR, we are not even able to reproduce it. So, Nikolai S., than to consider gossip to work, is it not better for yourself, godfather to turn around? "Silenok ..." not for us, alas, to sympathize with the Ukrainians, we have no right to a condescending tone.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 23 August 2012 14: 49
          +4
          Quote: Kars
          beauty is a subjective concept, in contrast to effectiveness.


          Damn yourself, you still turn out to not only be able to send smile
          1. Kars
            Kars 23 August 2012 14: 52
            0
            Quote: Vadivak
            it turns out you can not only send

            I? Send? Yes I'm white and fluffy what
        3. morpekh
          morpekh 24 August 2012 07: 45
          0
          “We must clearly understand that ..” Ukraine, not having our resources, manages not to promise - to do. And since the times of the USSR, we have not put ANYTHING into the series, we are not even able to simply reproduce. So, Nikolai S., than to consider gossips to work, is it not better for yourself, godfather to turn around? "Silenok ..." not for us, alas, to sympathize with the Ukrainians, we have no right to a condescending tone.
    3. Joker
      Joker 23 August 2012 15: 27
      0
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  2. Kars
    Kars 23 August 2012 10: 56
    -2
    Possible, impossible ---- maybe first you need to make them?
    Don’t hesitate to sell - Ukraine cannot trade in debt.
  3. Vanek
    Vanek 23 August 2012 11: 07
    -1
    Well, it was so necessary to mutilate the eighty.
    1. Manager
      Manager 23 August 2012 11: 13
      -4
      Quote: Vanek

      Well, it was so necessary to mutilate the eighty.

      That's for sure. In general, I do not see a single plus in the presented BTR. Most likely he drank a boble. This armored personnel carrier has no future!
      1. Kars
        Kars 23 August 2012 11: 30
        0
        Quote: Manager
        Most likely a beaver cut

        Thanks, he laughed, like he was doing it for state money.
        And so he is already in Iraq and Thailand.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 23 August 2012 11: 36
          +2
          Andrew do not start. In our army, in principle, for the time being, as well as your DUM weapons, there are no weapons on the BIR yet. I will be glad if BTR 4 in the series goes to the troops.
          1. Kars
            Kars 23 August 2012 12: 11
            0
            This is so for warming up.
            And so I already wrote that, in principle, I am for BMPT-64, but these are perhaps for our peacekeepers.
        2. sergey69
          sergey69 23 August 2012 14: 09
          +3
          BTR-3 is delivered to Thailand. These are completely different cars.
          1. Kars
            Kars 23 August 2012 14: 16
            0
            Also good.
            and another 100 pcs to Kazakhstan (exactly 4 armored personnel carrier)
            Although the four seem to be in Thailand, it means they are going to deliver.
            1. sergey69
              sergey69 23 August 2012 14: 29
              0
              In Kazakhstan there will be an assembly of BTR-4. Ours pass those. documentation, units. And they themselves will collect. I read it with the Kazakhs, they said that Arzamas did not want to transfer the license for the BTR-82, they chose ours for the development of their military-industrial complex. And for procurement, they buy more BTR-82.
              1. Kars
                Kars 23 August 2012 14: 33
                0
                Quote: sergey69
                In Kazakhstan there will be an assembly of BTR-4

                If not mistaken --- screwdriver assembly, and this is better than nothing.
                1. sergey69
                  sergey69 23 August 2012 14: 43
                  0
                  "A total of 100 cars will be produced: 10 of them this year, and 90 next year. The total amount of the agreement is about $ 150 million,"
                  D.Peregudov does not exclude that in the near future an agreement on the supply of BTR-4 to another country may be signed. He noted that Ukraine confidently ranks third in the world in the production of armored vehicles.

                  The president of Kazakhstan Engineering, Bolat Smagulov, said that Ukraine and Kazakhstan had reached a higher level of bilateral cooperation. According to him, Ukraine will provide the supply of technological lines and components for the joint production of BTR-4, as well as staff training. "We are interested in the development of new joint projects, in particular, in the production of large-caliber shells, navigation aids and in other areas of the military-industrial complex. Ukraine offers convenient technological solutions and a competitive pricing policy. Therefore, bilateral cooperation between our countries has serious prospects." emphasized B. Smagulov.

                  BTR-4 will be produced in Kazakhstan for the needs of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic. Production is planned to be organized on the basis of one of the enterprises of the national company Kazakhstan Engineering, starting with the large-unit assembly with a gradual increase in the share of components and spare parts produced by the Kazakh side, as well as expanding the range of modifications made. "According to Smagulov, Kazakhstan Engineering expects export products created in Kazakhstan.
                  A.Mochenkov emphasized that in accordance with the terms of the agreement only 10 BTR-4 units will be fully assembled and equipped with German engines, the remaining 90 armored personnel carriers will be sent in the form of car kits (components, parts, devices) with final assembly in Kazakhstan.
                  Original source http://bmpd.livejournal.com
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 23 August 2012 14: 54
                    -1
                    Quote: sergey69
                    in the form of car kits (components, parts, devices) with final assembly in Kazakhstan.

                    What is called a screwdriver assembly. And in licensed production, I also see nothing bad.
        3. Zynaps
          Zynaps 23 August 2012 22: 14
          +1
          after the. Azeri and Kazakhstan have already signed an agreement with Ukraine on the supply and production of Ukrainian armored vehicles on their territory under license.

          Speakers of the coolness and prettiness of the platform in the drawings will leave the opportunity to admire further. the dog barks - the caravan goes on. I personally am incredibly happy for the people of Kharkov. for the USSR-2 their experience will come in handy.
    2. red 015
      red 015 23 August 2012 12: 10
      +1
      and made according to the type of Western samples
    3. Cashpoint
      Cashpoint 23 August 2012 14: 19
      -1
      Vanya is not in the subject? Or bathherd for everything Ukrainian? This is a brand new car!

      "BTR-80 weighs 13,6 tons, BTR-4 - 21,9. The difference is 8,3 tons! The reserves for the growth of the BTR-4's mass are up to 25 tons, ie, its weight will be 2 times more than the BTR-80.
      Engine power BTR-80 - 260 HP, BTR-4 - 500 HP. The difference is twice! "
      1. curious
        curious 23 August 2012 16: 50
        +2
        I agree, the cars are different
      2. Vanek
        Vanek 24 August 2012 06: 21
        +1
        But the essence is one. Or start conversations starting with the BTR-60. Call it whatever you like - restyling, whether modernization is one thing. Yes, I do not argue - the car is new, but the essence is old.
  4. Melchakov
    Melchakov 23 August 2012 11: 12
    +3
    For the price it will surpass ours in any case, and so, the car is not bad. I hope it will not be the same as with Oplot.
  5. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 23 August 2012 11: 38
    +2
    A good machine turned out, but I think Roosia will do better, if only because there will be something to be guided by ...
  6. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 23 August 2012 12: 10
    +1
    Somewhere I heard that the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier is clearly inadequate armor protection ...
    1. curious
      curious 23 August 2012 16: 51
      -1
      Looking for what is insufficient
  7. Vulkan raven
    Vulkan raven 23 August 2012 12: 10
    +4
    It cannot compete, in any way. The BTR-4 is an armored personnel carrier of the previous generation, one with the BTR-90. They even have engines equally "tank", with a low resource.

    At one time, the BTR-4 Ministry of Defense of Ukraine itself did not want to take into service due to low mine protection, and indicated BTR-90 as vehicles with a higher PMZ.

    Boomerang is a new generation car.
    1. Orey
      Orey 23 August 2012 13: 11
      -6
      Quote: Vulkan Raven
      Boomerang is a new generation car.

      You probably determined by model?
      And what is the new generation expressed in the BTR?
    2. REPA1963
      REPA1963 23 August 2012 22: 13
      0
      We will have a look.
    3. Zynaps
      Zynaps 23 August 2012 22: 18
      -3
      Quote: Vulkan Raven
      Boomerang is a new generation car.


      where can you see this wonderful "boomerang" live?

      I would have looked at a live "armature" - sho for the beast ...

      dude, learn the story. kvass patriotism has never benefited anyone. it was only drained under it. Moreover, in Kharkov, too, the domestic school of armored vehicles works. there would be no joy that our people in Ukraine live and work. this is how we rejoice at your successes and grieve for your failures.
    4. Flooding
      Flooding 24 August 2012 12: 23
      0
      Quote: Vulkan Raven
      It cannot compete, in any way. The BTR-4 is an armored personnel carrier of the previous generation, one with the BTR-90. They even have engines equally "tank", with a low resource.


      Engines in stock - choose. Ukrainians are great in this regard - they quickly take into account all the wishes of the buyer. Look at the BTR-3 line, for example.
  8. Apollo
    Apollo 23 August 2012 12: 36
    +7
    The Ukrainian armored personnel carrier is a possible competitor to our promising Kurganets-25 and Boomerang platforms.



    due to the fact that the title of the article INCORRECT did not read further !!!

    Any achievement of Ukraine, for Russia, is definitely a plus !!! good
    1. curious
      curious 23 August 2012 16: 52
      0
      Of course it’s right, it encourages its own designers and customers not to yawn
    2. hohryakov066
      hohryakov066 24 August 2012 07: 46
      0
      True to all 100% !!!
  9. Varnaga
    Varnaga 23 August 2012 12: 57
    +3
    The editorial staff of the "MIC" asked for the opinion of one of the Russian experts in the field of armored vehicles on the BTR-4. According to him, the available information suggests that the Ukrainian machine is able to compete with domestic promising platforms "Kurganets-25" and "Boomerang."


    Thank you, laughed. Together with the familiar "domestic specialists in the field of armored vehicles." What the hell is the competition, considering at least the fact that the technical specification for the "Boomerang" is completely different, a different concept, potential, etc., etc. ??? The journalist very, very flattered the Slavic brothers, well, they did not fail to put a loud headline, hehe.
    1. Varnaga
      Varnaga 23 August 2012 13: 13
      +7
      I will answer myself.
      Advantages of BKM paintwork materials "Boomerang":
      1. Modular design. See GTK Boxer
      2. Modular design of the armor: light, medium, heavy (there will be no possibility to swim).
      3. Increased mine resistance (including due to the layout of Li-ion batteries).
      4. Electromechanical transmission, which displays efficiency, therefore, the power reserve at a completely different level and expands the tactical niche of application (for example, a quiet approach, retreat). Also, the presence of a powerful source of electricity on board significantly increases the power supply of the BCM, allowing also to bring configurations for CABM, electronic warfare, electronic equipment, etc. to a different level, while leaving a deep foundation for its increase in the future.
      5. 70-80% unification with Kurganets-25, I think there is no need to explain the advantages.
      6. Conditions of being in the BKM will provide the crew with comfortable conditions, almost like in a good SUV, hehe.
      Something like that, in general, I don’t know about weapons, some conclusions can be drawn from a drain photo from an Internet, but, I think, everything is also very, very interesting there.
      I think it’s clear that the BTR-4 is, sadly, yesterday’s armored vehicles, it’s very difficult to squeeze new capabilities out of a rather old design (mine resistance), expensive, and is it necessary?
      What the hell is competition? Here the Ministry of Defense is butting with Shamanov, so as not to drag the white crow BDM-4M into a new row of unified platforms, they hack to death the BTR-90, because this is also yesterday, and the journalist are trying to blow the sensation out of their finger, citing "authoritative" sources.
      1. Kars
        Kars 23 August 2012 13: 17
        0
        Quote: Varnaga
        1. Modular design. See GTK Boxer

        A League wouldn’t have to. See B1 Centaur

        and so when is adoption expected?
        1. Varnaga
          Varnaga 23 August 2012 13: 25
          0
          A League wouldn’t have to. See B1 Centaur

          No, this will not happen)
          and so when is adoption expected?

          Oh, here you have to listen to officials, oddly enough, they are fully competent in this matter, because have their approved plans, schedules, etc.
          I think that next year, the beginning-the middle will conduct all tests, running, undermining, firing, etc., from the middle they will start picking up snot, they will change something, upgrade it, by the end of the year perhaps will accept. Well, we must bear in mind that all this can move quite calmly for six months or a year)
        2. Cashpoint
          Cashpoint 23 August 2012 19: 28
          -1
          Already sailed)))

          Italian wheeled vehicles in the port of Novorossiysk
          Centauro and Freccia arrived this week at the port of Novorossiysk for testing in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense.



          1. Zynaps
            Zynaps 23 August 2012 22: 28
            0
            and what's so terrible? We bought weapons from Italians in order to get to know each other tightly. Comrade Stalin, after the Non-Aggression Pact and damned fascists, purchased weapons and technology samples. and quite massively. the main thing is for the future. after 20 years of bacchanalia and a madhouse in the country, living completely closed from the whole world will not work - we must adopt the best practices. study so far has not been shameful. Italians have a lot to learn in engineering and technology. they pulled the tank themselves, and shipbuilding is very developed, and there are interesting developments in artillery (it would be very interesting to go into OTO Melara technology), and they have something to say in the field of aviation and electronics.
      2. Cashpoint
        Cashpoint 23 August 2012 14: 30
        -1
        The layout of the "Boomerang" is flawed MTO occupies almost half of the hull, a long manhole to the driver-mechanic which cannot be rationally used, the fighting compartment is also small with such an arrangement, there are no remote weapon modules that do not occupy the internal volume in Russia, if you install Bakhcha there, there is no more place for which there will be no ... and indeed the Boomerang is exactly like the Chinese armored personnel carrier ZBL-09

      3. Cashpoint
        Cashpoint 23 August 2012 14: 36
        -3
        The layout of the "Boomerang" is flawed MTO occupies almost half of the useful volume of the hull, it is impossible to rationally use a long manhole to the mechanic-driver, the fighting compartment is small, there are no outboard weapons modules that would not occupy the internal volume in Russia. If you install Bakhchu there, there will be no more room for anything ..



        Yes, and just do Boomerang exactly the same as the Chinese BTR ZBL-09 which has long been entering the army.
        1. Varnaga
          Varnaga 23 August 2012 14: 47
          +5
          Did you identify this from the pictures? We are considering three transmission options, two of them are electromechanical, one of them has practically no layout restrictions at all. So these pictures can not lead, sketch, no more.
          You can still cling to a generator paired with a diesel engine, they say, takes the volume, BUT our generator has a very small axial dimension and will practically not affect the layout. So I recommended changing the approving tone to another.
          Yes, and just do Boomerang exactly the same as the Chinese BTR ZBL-09 which has long been entering the army.

          That's it, similar, but not more. Or does he have a hydropneumatic suspension with variable clearance? In general, it's cool to draw such bold conclusions based on a couple of pictures. I propose to go further in an unbroken frenzy:
          Boomerang copied from ZBL-09 and has worse TTX
          And what? A couple of pictures, a few reservations and mega-experts are capable of far-reaching conclusions laughing
          Threat Well, very few people can come to mind to bet on BKM in the version with Infauna. laughing
          1. Cashpoint
            Cashpoint 23 August 2012 17: 47
            -1
            Dreaming is not harmful ... you can look at and model models ...
            1. Varnaga
              Varnaga 24 August 2012 08: 15
              +1
              Who dreams that? our sector is working closely on this topic. Lamers have to imagine putting "Bakhchu" on a BM with an electronic warfare system.
              1. Cashpoint
                Cashpoint 24 August 2012 19: 33
                -1
                Enjoy the dreaming lamer ... in the field of armored vehicles, things are even worse for you ...


                Colonel General Sitnov:
                aviation industry, as a cooperative complex,
                in Russia, in fact, no longer exists ...


                "... there is no more normal engineering or high-quality developments. What can we talk about if there are only 56 specialties left in MAI, once the country's leading aviation university, instead of 8? The picture is very unattractive, and we are still starting to make claims for the entire Ukrainian aviation industry, they say, we will absorb it. "

                http://www.promved.ru/articles/article.phtml?id=2278&nomer=76
                1. Varnaga
                  Varnaga 25 August 2012 11: 35
                  0
                  As expected, the Nedotroll has nothing to say on the topic, it remains to post the left links, I protect that the drain has been counted. And I will delete this flood, so far without warning.
          2. bddrus
            bddrus 23 August 2012 18: 01
            +1
            before that there was a cry about a copy from the Finnish patria)) - "well, just one-to-one!"
        2. REPA1963
          REPA1963 23 August 2012 22: 16
          -2
          Yes, their brains were not enough, the Chinese are dying, they survived.
    2. Skiff
      Skiff 23 August 2012 15: 58
      +3
      Varnaga greeting!
      I also laughed at this quote laughing .How can you compare something that is still missing and talk about what no one has seen, but I'm glad for the Ukrainian colleagues, they are trying, it turns out, it is in demand. But there is one small BUT!
      - The BTR-4 is not a new car, but only an upgrade of the BTR-80, albeit a very deep one. In principle, Ukrainians have interesting ideas. They in their new machines made aft exit of the landing force, installed new combat units of the type “Squall”, “Thunder”, “Parus”, which they developed themselves. Historically, the best design bureaus of the Soviet Union and factories remained in Ukraine, including the Morozov Design Bureau and one of the best tank factories, the Malyshev Plant. We intend to work closely with them. It is possible that soon we will be able to sign an agreement with them and begin joint production.
      http://warfiles.ru/show-11859-bronya-po-vysshemu-klassu.html
      1. curious
        curious 23 August 2012 16: 56
        +3
        It’s time to go out to joint development
      2. Cashpoint
        Cashpoint 23 August 2012 17: 51
        +1
        Quote: Skiff
        The BTR-4 is not a new machine, but just a modernization of the BTR-80, albeit a very deep one.

        Galkin with his statement went wrong, anyone who understands the technique is obvious and therefore if he stated this seriously, many questions arise about his competence ...
        "BTR-80 weighs 13,6 tons, BTR-4 - 21,9. The difference is 8,3 tons! The reserves for the growth of the BTR-4's mass are up to 25 tons, ie, its weight will be 2 times more than the BTR-80.
        Engine power BTR-80 - 260 HP, BTR-4 - 500 HP. The difference is twice! "
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 23 August 2012 18: 04
          -5
          Are you such a "good" specialist that you can ask questions about someone's competence ?? !!!
        2. Varnaga
          Varnaga 24 August 2012 08: 17
          0
          Engine BKM LKM-650 l. with. What is the difference? wink
      3. Kievan
        Kievan 23 August 2012 18: 01
        +2
        Quote: Skiff
        - BTR-4 is not a new machine, but only the modernization of the BTR-80, albeit a very deep one. ... It is possible that soon we will be able to sign an agreement with them and begin joint production.

        It’s strange if this is a deep modernization of the 80s, then why should they co-produce what they already have: 80, 82, 90 and a new platform is on the way? If the BTR-4 is more interesting to them in production than the 90th, then the comrade is cunning, or rather, it is engaged in unfair competition ...
        Here, as in a proverb, you must either remove the cross or put on your pants.
      4. Zynaps
        Zynaps 23 August 2012 22: 22
        0
        here! man says business.

        and then lit here srach around for no reason.
  10. Armata
    Armata 23 August 2012 13: 18
    +4
    Blank article. How can you compare real-life with something that does not exist yet. That's when our vaunted "Boomerang" comes out, that's when we'll break our spears.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 23 August 2012 13: 27
      +2
      This is exactly
      (Comrade Sukhov)
  11. general
    general 23 August 2012 16: 05
    0
    http://korrespondent.net/business/economics/1386842-ukrspeceksport-sobral-portfe
    l-zakazov-na-5-mlrd
  12. wow
    wow 23 August 2012 21: 47
    0
    "Potential competitor" - if stunned again is not stolen. And so everything is nothing, very even "competitive".
  13. komsomolets
    komsomolets 23 August 2012 22: 59
    +2
    Dear Russians, why are you sweating, "a competitor is not a competitor", anyway, sooner or later, Ukraine will be a part of Russia. Whether someone wants it or not, our countries will be together, you can't fool fate.
    1. aspirin02
      aspirin02 23 August 2012 23: 05
      0
      + 1 ........!
      1. hohryakov066
        hohryakov066 24 August 2012 07: 52
        0
        In the last two comments, the whole point of the question !!! ++