"After such measures, Ukraine may disappear from the world map": Bulgarian readers appreciated Kravchuk's statements about "tough measures" against the Russian Federation

The Bulgarian press presented material following an interview with Ukrainian journalists of the head of the Ukrainian representative office in the Trilateral Contract Group Leonid Kravchuk. News.bg told Bulgarian readers that the first president of Ukraine "threatened Russia with radical steps and tough measures."

Recall that Kravchuk once again blamed Russia for the escalation in Donbass and added (in an interview with Ukraine 24 TC) that he would “do everything to force Russia to return to the international legal channel.” Earlier, Kravchuk called Vladimir Putin "the main enemy of Ukraine."

The Bulgarian press recalled that in recent years, Ukrainian officials of various ranks have called Russia "an aggressor country." At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities do not declare a general mobilization, which is usually carried out in the event that a country is conducting military operations against the army of another state. These facts make the Bulgarian experts and ordinary readers, to put it mildly, with skepticism about the statement of officials from Kiev.

Here are a few comments of Bulgarian readers to the material in the press of this country.

Batnasko:

Radical steps? The only step that the ruling circles of Ukraine can take is a public sepukku, which will finally cease the existence of Ukraine itself as a state.

Daily Grace:

He announced "radical steps" and "tough measures." After such "tough measures", the Ukrainian state may disappear from the world map.

There are other comments as well. They are of a different kind. They accuse Russia of "occupying the territories of Ukraine and neighboring Moldova." At the same time, it was stated that "the territory of Russia itself can be occupied by China." Also in one of the comments it is said that the Biden administration "will increase military assistance to Kiev, and therefore a" second Karabakh "may occur."

Comments

[aszzz888]

Even Bulgarians are tired of it. The extreme one jumps over. A couple of three districts will remain, and the rest will disperse. Neighbors will not refuse to get their hands on the piece of land.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: aszzz888

Even Bulgarians are tired of it. The extreme

Jumping, fact! Once again, he will jump to the Donbass, and ... The rope will be taken away. Absolutely ...

[aszzz888]

Mountain shooter (Eugene)
Today, 12: 29

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Quote: aszzz888
Even Bulgarians are tired of it. The extreme

Jumping, fact! Once again, he will jump to Donbass, and ... The rope will be taken away. Allm ...

! To be honest - IT'S LONG TIME!

[VORON538]

It is high time for Ukraine to admit, without looking back at the salaried ones, an obvious fact: Crimea is Russia, and to the point. How they will live with the LPNR is a big question. Either on the knees of ukrovoyenov together with the leaders in Donbass, or just keep it simple, non-brothers. hero, with zigyushchy Azov and other rabble-no more Ukraine. There is only territory.

[venik]

Quote: VORON538

How they will live with the LDNR is a big vopros.Libo on their knees ukrovoyenov together with the leaders in the Donbass, or the rest is easier, non-brothers.

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Donbass - ALREADY gone! To count on "forceful occupation" is the same as on "conquest of Mars" !!! The consequences will mean the COMPLETE collapse of Ukraine as a State! Although it already did not take place!

[fruc]

Bulgarian readers appreciated Kravchuk's statements about "tough measures" against the Russian Federation

This old fart and policeman fosterling should be called to account for a long time.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: frruc

This old fart and policeman fosterling should be called to account for a long time.

he is a foster child state party apparatus of the CPSU (!)And not policeman... But in the nineties, having considered "warmed soil of interethnic differences", considered it quite possible for himself, and "on this crest of contradictions", break through to personal power (at the time of the division of the state of the USSR). Moreover, initially (becoming the first president after the separation of Ukraine from the Union), such an ultra-national rhetoric, he simply could not ALLOW himself (!). Otherwise, he would not have been in power at that time. Therefore, (as an experienced political worker - opportunist), understands the difference very clearly, when to sing along with most of the "post-Soviet"and when from "radical" of groups that have broken through at this moment to governing the country and allocating resources (!).

[Nazar]

Nemchinov Vl - Old, anecdote:
- Yeltsin and Shushkevich are flying in the same plane (a participant in the conspiracy in Belovezhie from Belarus), suddenly Shushkevich says to Yeltsin
- What do you think, if now the plane crashes and we die, where will they cry more, in Russia or in Belarus? ;
- I think it’s in Ukraine;
- and why ? ;
- Yes, that's why Kravchuk is not with us ...

[Simon]

Because of Kravchuk, the people of Ukraine began to live even worse than it was in the USSR.

[figwam]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Jumping, fact!

Yes, after a large-scale strike on Donbass, there will be no options for Russia to do but take control of the territory of the former Ukraine with access to the borders, otherwise this sore will never pass.

[Simon]

Quote: figvam

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Jumping, fact!

Yes, after a large-scale strike on Donbass, there will be no options for Russia to do but take control of the territory of the former Ukraine with access to the borders, otherwise this sore will never pass.

Tei more, that such a hawk like Biden has definitely welcomed this, supplying Kiev with weapons.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Once again, he will jump to the Donbass, and ... The rope will be taken away. Absolutely ...

The GDP has already warned them once that if they "jump", then the question of the existence of the "extreme" will be finally resolved - by the loss of statehood. At the same time, I am very impressed by the approach to the traitors of our ancestors (I. Wise - "There is no enemy worse than an unbeaten enemy!"). Therefore, those who fought with weapons in their hands against the RUSSIAN WORLD - our fighters - should not be taken prisoner. THEY ARE ENEMIES!
The first time I.V. Stalin did not suppress Bandera after the Second World War, the second - the miners spared them near Ilovaisk ... It's time to end therapy. It's time for surgery!

[aszzz888]

Boa KAA (Alexander)
Today, 13: 10

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Quote: Mountain Shooter
Once again, he will jump to the Donbass, and ... The rope will be taken away. Absolutely ...

The GDP has already warned them once that if they "jump", then the question of the existence of the "extreme" will be finally resolved - by the loss of statehood. At the same time, I am very impressed by the approach to the traitors of our ancestors (I. Wise - "There is no enemy worse than an unbeaten enemy!"). Therefore, those who fought with weapons in their hands against the RUSSIAN WORLD - our fighters - should not be taken prisoner. THEY ARE ENEMIES!
The first time I.V. Stalin did not suppress Bandera after the Second World War, the second - the miners spared them near Ilovaisk ... It's time to end therapy. It's time for surgery! am

Military surgery!

[Egoza]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

It's time to end therapy. It's time for surgery!

I completely agree! And then "some" do not understand ....

“Moscow announces crossing the red line. And who crosses it? They themselves cross and themselves hint. I recently heard Avakov's statement. He said that we have adequate answers to all possible scenarios that Russia will undertake. Today Ukraine is not the same as it was 5, 6, 7 years ago. Today we are ready, we do not want this, but we are ready to stuff the face of those who climb to us without our invitations, "said Kravchuk
“If you listen to Putin, Lavrov, Peskov, Gryzlov, then at different times they say different things, but the conclusion is one - they have nothing to do with it, they are some kind of observers, they, you see, help us resolve the issue of some internal conflict ... Do we ask them? We say: go to hell. We do not ask them to resolve the conflict, help us, there is no such appeal, and never will be. We do not ask the aggressor to help us resolve the situation with the aggressor - this is a kind of oddity. But they are so inadequate in their assessments, I follow their every performance, and it is difficult to understand them. They think that they are so cunning that they can outsmart themselves, ”the politician said. ...

[lis-ik]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: aszzz888

Even Bulgarians are tired of it. The extreme

Jumping, fact! Once again, he will jump to the Donbass, and ... The rope will be taken away. Absolutely ...

Under "our", current leadership? Yes, not in life, they are afraid that what they stole is not taken away, because. as they demolished the flops, they will be demolished.

[klara]

That's right!

[Terenin]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The rope will be taken away. Absolutely ...

Take it away and flog with this rope.

[Adimius38]

the first time they did not take away, where is the confidence that they will take away now? For the first time they hit the cities of Donbass with hail and artillery and dots, and that someone came to take the rope? But then it seemed like the president was given permission for the participation of troops abroad, although it was then quickly withdrawn.

[svp67]

Quote: aszzz888

A couple of three districts will remain, and the rest will disperse.

In this situation, the main thing is to decide who will return the debts ...

[aszzz888]

svp67 (Sergey)
Today, 13: 06

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Quote: aszzz888
A couple of three districts will remain, and the rest will disperse.

In this situation, the main thing is to decide who will return the debts ...

Maybe it's time to gather the Crimean (Yalta) conference? Only without arrogance, merikatos, nemchura ... In a narrow circle, so to speak.

[svp67]

Quote: aszzz888

Maybe it's time to gather the Crimean (Yalta) conference?

So they won't come ... They are 100% satisfied with this situation, Ukrainians are dying for their interests, what can be even better thought of

[aszzz888]

svp67 (Sergey)
Today, 13: 12

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Quote: aszzz888
Maybe it's time to gather the Crimean (Yalta) conference?

So they won't come... They are 100% satisfied with this situation, Ukrainians are dying for their interests, what can be even better thought of

Or maybe without them?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: aszzz888

Maybe it's time to gather the Crimean (Yalta) conference? Only without arrogance, merikatos, nemchura ... In a narrow circle, so to speak.

The Yalta conference was convened to redistribute the world by the allies in the anti-Hitler coalition, after the victory in the world war. And after what victory, what and with whom did you gather?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

In this situation, the main thing is to decide who will return the debts ...

Whoever takes, pays debts. Taking Ukraine, you take its debts.

[Sergej1972]

Those states that will emerge on the wreckage of a disintegrated state, and those states that will include parts of this disintegrated state.

[pytar]

"After such measures, Ukraine may disappear from the world map": Bulgarian readers appreciated Kravchuk's statements about "tough measures" against the Russian Federation

An example of how information war works is typical! Go to the site news.bg, we find a stat!



The counter shows that it was viewed by 20 site visitors.
Comments total 28.
Of these, pro-Ukrainian - 7, pro-Russian - 2. In this article, these two were quoted!
Light pro-Ukrainian arso-arsov managed to write as many as 6! Moreover, from the stylistics it is clear that he used the letter E, which is not in the Bulgarian alphabet! Its text itself does not correlate with the Bulgarian spelling, Bulgarians are not expressed that way!

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that he has been registered on the site somewhere since 2014 ...

All other comments Have nothing to do with the topic in the post! Like a flood!
It is unlikely that this alignment can be characterized as "Bulgarian readers appreciated Kravchuk's statements .."!
In fact, an active confrontation is being waged on the Bulgarian Internet between Russian and Ukrainian "fighters of the information front", or, more simply, trolls! They are presented as "Bulgarians", probably some of them are, but one must bear in mind that the largest Bulgarian diaspora lives in Ukraine, and in Russia, there are also many ethnic Bulgarians.
So one cannot judge from the comments about the attitude of the Bulgarians to the events in the Donbass and Crimea! The propaganda of both countries cites their trolls, passing it off as "public" opinion in this country! This applies not only to Bulgaria, but also to most of the countries of the world, from where different articles and materials are quoted!
And what a real attitude the Bulgarians have towards the Ukrainian events, I will write in my next comment!

[pytar]

By the way, one amendment! Questionnaires arso-arsov actually wrote 6-pro-Russian comment! But they are so illiterately written that it is not so easy to understand their meaning! A Bulgarian does not write like that, the person who wrote these texts knows badly the modern Bulgarian language!

I am making a clarification:
There are 8 pro-Russian comments, of which 6 belong to arso-arsov-o!

[Black lotos]

Quote: pytar

There are 8 pro-Russian comments, 6 of them belong to arso-arsov!

thanks to the Bulgarian comrades for the explanation of the internal Bulgarian cuisine.
For the author of the article deliberately concealed these facts.

[Alex Justice]

Why discuss someone's comments on the site? Stupid.

[Dimide]

Respect, put everything on the shelves!

[pytar]

And what is the attitude of ordinary Bulgarians to the conflict in Donbass and Crimea? In a few words - as to the conflict between Ukraine and Russia.
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There are several factors to consider here:
1.Bulgars traditionally lead the EU in pro-Russian sentiments. The level of support for Russia in the opinion polls of Western social agencies is always consistently positive - 70-80%!
2. Russian TV channels are free to watch on all cable operators in Bulgaria. Every day about 10 thousand. Bulgarians visit Russian-language information resources. There are quite a few pro-Russian publications in Bulgaria. In terms of the level of propaganda influence, Russia is very strong in Bulgaria. There is no Ukrainian media at all.
3.The largest Bulgarian diaspora has been living in Ukraine since the 19th century. There are also many Bulgarians in the Russian Federation.
4. Bulgarian-Russian, Bulgarian-Ukrainian marriages make up 90% of all marriages between Bulgarians and foreigners.
5.In Bulgaria, there are more foreigners for permanent residence and permanent residence - Russians and Ukrainians. It is clear that for these reasons the conflict between Ukraine and Russia is carried over to Ukrainians and Russians on Bulgarian soil.
6. The majority of Bulgarians until 2014 did not strongly divide who is Russian, who is Ukrainian, who is Belarus! For us, all Russian speakers were "Russians".
7. Most Bulgarians are still more interested in domestic political topics than foreign policy. On the forums, they rarely express an opinion on the topic of Ukraine-Russia. According to some research in Bulgarian. forums on etih topics 90-92% of comments belong to trolls from both countries.
8. According to opinion polls among Bulgarians, there was a sharp decline in support for Russia just in time for 2014-2015! Then it was generally the minimum for all the time after the 90s, although at that time it remained above 50%!
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Bearing in mind the above factors, we can draw the following conclusions:
Despite active information support, Russia's actions in Crimea and Donbass look rather ambiguous. Hardening Ross. propaganda like "Bandera, Kiev junta, we are not there" they sound unconvincing for Bulgarians. Bulgarians remain pro-Russian, but some of the actions of the Russian leadership are definitely not sympathetic. Young people are especially influenced by Russian propaganda with its obvious contradictions and low, and sometimes even primitive, professional level. That is, modern Russian propaganda is doing more harm than helping Russia abroad.

Note: The opinion I have expressed is purely personal, subjective. I do not pretend to be "first instance", I write about my impressions.

[Black lotos]

Quote: pytar

That is, modern Russian propaganda is doing more harm than helping Russia abroad.

fun fact. I thought that it seems to me. But no. I can even describe why and how it harms Russia itself and its interests.
But I won't. The infusion into this type of propaganda is increasing, and it does not work for the Russian Federation, but against.
And without a similar counter-propaganda. In general, somewhere I would reconsider the issues of financing the RT and other things, and would change managers and staff for such work.

[pytar]

fun fact. I thought that it seems to me. But no.

Unfortunately, rather sad fact! I understand that propaganda is suggestion, but ... In normal countries there is competition! In Russia, the info-monopole leading to degradation!

I can even describe why and how it harms Russia itself and its interests.

I also have assumptions, I will say briefly: Harms Russia, but useful for the interests of the ruling oligarchy.

And without a similar counter-propaganda.

You are right! In the presence of RT, etc. no anti-Russian propaganda is needed! These will do everything themselves! As for the internal Russian propaganda, the situation is even worse! Who is watching it outside the border? People related to Russia! There is a large number of Russophila in Bulgaria! And what do they see? Themes about Bulgaria are bulgarophobic, fake! Rus-media distort the situation so much that even these people are beginning to grow cold towards Russia!

In general, somewhere I would reconsider the issues of financing the RT and other things, and would change managers and staff for such work.

And in real life, they raise their budget every year! More and more money is being poured in, and the results are getting worse! I am more surprised by the internal Russian propaganda! Solovetsky, Skabeevs, Sheinins, and so on! How can such people be allowed on TV ?! And also reward them ?!
I apologize! I try not to express an opinion about the situation in your country! These are your internal affairs!

[Raven 95]

Quote: pytar

he used the letter E, which is not in the Bulgarian alphabet

Curiously, here on the site commentators from Bulgaria completely ignore the letter "E". You write that there is no such thing in the Bulgarian alphabet - everything is clear.
But for some reason everyone uses the letter "Y", which is also absent in the Bulgarian alphabet.

[pytar]

Curiously, here on the site commentators from Bulgaria completely ignore the letter "E". You write that there is no such thing in the Bulgarian alphabet - everything is clear. But for some reason everyone uses the letter "Y", which is also absent in the Bulgarian alphabet.

I answer! The keyboards sold in Bulgaria follow the Bulgarian keyboard standard. It contains and Э и Ы! I have them on my computer too!

But these letters are not in the Bulgarian Cyrillic alphabet! They put them on keyboards since Russian is very popular in Bulgaria. If a Bulgarian writes in Russian, and he knows this language more or less, he will use them / often in the wrong place /! But not even when he writes in Bulgarian! It will never come to a Bulgarian in his mind to use the letters E and Y in the Bulgarian text! It doesn't sound like that in Bulgarian! There is a tough E and B!
By the way, I wonder why, with all this, the Bulgarians use Ы writing something in Russian, and Э completely ignored, as you correctly noted? The fact is that many Bulgarian and Russian words are the same or similar! Bulgarians, if they do not know some Russian word, write Bulgarian by putting it at the end Ыthinking that this is how it becomes "Russian"! I myself sometimes do this, but I put E wherever it is, as if it was a personal initiative!
To use them in texts in Bulgarian, only Russian speakers, who know Bulgarian not well, can. It can also be a Bulgarian, who was born and lives in Russia or Ukraine! He supposedly knows Bulgarian, but in its archaic form / that is why the spelling is strange /, but he is used to express himself and write in Russian!
I hope my explanation of this fact suits you?

[IL-18]

Cool keyboard! Russian letters. But they are placed differently. This is clearly aimed at disuniting the Orthodox ... Only the layout on a Russian computer practically coincides with the layout on Soviet typewriters. Although, if you think about it ...

[pytar]

Cool keyboard! Russian letters. But they are placed differently. ... Only the layout on a Russian computer practically coincides with the layout on Soviet typewriters.

It's funny to watch the reaction of Russian friends when they jail for my computer!

They say: Oh! Russian letters! But Che is differently placed!
The answer is: Bulgarian letters! Matches the layout on Bulgarian typewriters!

Here Hebros 1300!

Compare!

[Sergej1972]

From the point of view of the convenience of typing, the Russian keyboard layout in computers and typewriters is more convenient than the Bulgarian one. It takes into account the frequency of use of certain letters to a greater extent. Naturally, if the ten-finger method is used, and not typing with one or two fingers.)

[pytar]

From the point of view of the convenience of typing, the Russian keyboard layout in computers and typewriters is more convenient than the Bulgarian one. It takes into account the frequency of use of certain letters to a greater extent.

Sergey, do you take into account that these are two different languages? For the Russian, of course, the Russian layout is more convenient, but for the Bulgarian there is no better Bulgarian layout!

[klara]

And the letters are arranged as it is convenient for the Bulgarians - in the center are the most common letters, rarely used - at the edges. Is it incomprehensible to "experts"? "Orthodox are divided" not by the keyboard, but by more serious things. For example, when Moscow releases Sofia to NATO.

[Gado]

I am one of those Bulgarians who studied in the Soviet Union and for me writing in Russian is not a problem. And all the other Bulgarians in VO for the most part do not write competently in Russian. The explanation of pyter is true, my keyboard also has e and s, but no e, the arrangement of the keys is different from the Russian keyboard. Look like that's it.

[pytar]

Vasco, ё is also there, but in the table of signs. It is inconvenient to crawl, each time opening the window of the program. Well, if a specialist person can associate some other letter in Bulgarian in place. keyboards, replacing with ё, but hardly anyone will bother with this.

[Gado]

Yes, I know, Boyan. I've been playing around with computers since the days of Windows 3.1, so everything is clear with that. It is not clear why this article is here on VO. The gossip began to be quoted.

[pytar]

It is not clear why this article is here on VO. The gossip began to be quoted.

They have been dealing with this for a long time. There is nothing to do or the "party line" orders ?!

[Sly]

Quote: pytar

Vasco, ё is also there, but in the table of signs. It is inconvenient to crawl, each time opening the window of the program.

You can use alt-codes, for example, in the Russian layout Ё can be typed by holding the left alt + 241 on the additional keyboard

[Pamir]

Bulgarians, guys, do not pay attention, those who need will understand. What are they clung to, everyone, connoisseurs of alphabets, transcriptions? You might think, in the Russian Federation, Russian transcription, all the specialists write competently? Write, well, okay, I'll say (Boyana) , fine though in Latin, I understand. What's the problem? For me, the Bulgarians are different, and I don't give a damn what transcriptions they write in. Well, they don't have such letters in Cyrillic, well, NO, so what?
Does the Bulgarians have anything to do with it?
Although sometimes it’s funny for me, it’s like an inverted Russian language, But Russian,. Only read, you need to read skillfully.
I, the other day about Yugoslavia 1999, "Torn sky" A. Sviridov read., Impressed.

[IL-18]

I had a couple of laptops without the letter "e". True, they were positioned cunningly: one "compact book", the other remembered for a long time, "subcompact laptop". By the way, the second one is still alive for 15 years, and Win7 got up on it. So in the Russian market you can find devices without "e".

[Cat]

In the Bulgarian press

I wonder what the Trinidad and Tobago press writes about this? Comments from the inhabitants of these wonderful islands would also be interesting.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Gato

and what does the Trinidad and Tobago press write about this? Comments from the inhabitants of these wonderful islands would also be interesting.

We will not touch Tobago - there are Latvian roots ... Why are you laughing, but in vain

[Cat]

in vain

Well, because this is not the first article on VO in the style of "Bulgarian press", "Polish military experts", "Estonian sprinters" appreciated something there ...
An outstanding event, yes ... Kravchuk, whose status - "a retired goat drummer", gave an interview to the Ukrainian media - and this is discussed by the Bulgarian press

[orionvitt]

Quote: Gato

Kravchuk, whose status is "a retired goat drummer"

Do not tell me, Kravchuk, fully reflects the line of behavior of what Ukraine calls politics. It's just that Ukraine has gone crazy, reveling in its impunity. Well, we lost the Crimea, well, we wiped off the bloody snot and got it in the Donbass, so what? All the same, the West pats them on the head, and they are happy to try, bend their own. Definitely, it's time to end this. And the more radical, the better, the more almonds are with them, the more they become rude.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: orionvitt

All the same, the West pats them on the head, and they are happy to try, bend their own.

You will not stroke your yard Tuzik, soon another owner will stroke him.

[klara]

Correctly noted, that is exactly what it is!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Gato

This is not the first article on VO in the style of "Bulgarian press", "Polish military experts", "Estonian sprinters" appreciated something ...

I agree with you that listening to these is funny. But it seems to me that it is impossible to ignore these attacks - it is necessary to beat without delay and backhand: so that next time, before opening your mouth, you think twice.
And Tobago really was once a colony Latvia

[Cat]

And Tobago really was once a colony of Latvia

You shouldn't remind about it Courland, as you know, was a vassal of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and then after the union - and the Commonwealth. Right now, how will Poland, Belarus and Tikhanovskaya begin to claim

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Gato

I wonder what the Trinidad and Tobago press writes about this?

Perhaps it will be more interesting what psheki and canada write ... There Bandera scum has settled much more than it remains in the krai today ...
It would not hurt to cut these down in the course of bringing to reason the extreme (if foolishly twitches!). And to all sympathizers in Europs and beyond the puddle, you can demonstrate the "poplar alley" ... Well, and promise to send the "seedlings" if something happens ...
(And Schaub didn't shake his head!)

[Cat]

Psheki, according to the old habit, if they jerk, then only with the aim of participating in the section

[orionvitt]

Quote: Gato

Psheki, according to the old habit, if they jerk, then only with the aim of participating in the section

Poland? As the lessons of history show, if the psheks twitch, then this is pumped up by the next section of Poland itself, because so far they are sitting relatively calmly. Of course they stink disgustingly, but they don't rock the boat too much. Now it is Ukraine's turn .. They thought of themselves, no one knows what, they twitched seven years ago and the process began. But something dragged on. There is the prime minister of Slovakia, already promising, sort of as a joke, Transcarpathian Ukraine to Russia. It's a trifle, of course, but it reflects the fact that Ukraine has already gotten pretty sick to everyone. At least the neighbors, including the Bulgarians.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: orionvitt

Prime Minister of Slovakia, already promises, sort of as a joke, Russia Transcarpathian Ukraine

The Slovak Foreign Ministry has already apologized, but the sediment remains

Quote: orionvitt

It's a trifle, of course, but it reflects the fact that the 404 country is already pretty sick of everyone.

[Pereira]

I guess it's not casual.

[tralflot1832]

Friends from Bulgaria, your work with the article, Like in Bulgaria, not all Russophobes but only politicians!

[Gado]

I did not understand what you wanted to say, but in Bulgaria, as long as my generation is alive, not everyone will be Russophobes and this is a fact, otherwise I would not have been sitting here explaining to you that this is not a fact. :)

[tralflot1832]

You can't see whose article, the author!

[IL-18]

Quote: tralflot1832

not all Russophobes but only politicians!

In Russia, too, not all Russophiles are. And I personally have a question: why is this trash so kissed by the authorities and introduced to all sorts of Soviets, etc., to a heap and the headquarters in the Yeltsin Center for budgetary funds. One need not start about the sphere of "culture".

[rocket757]

"After such measures, Ukraine may disappear from the world map": Bulgarian readers appreciated Kravchuk's statements about "tough measures" against the Russian Federation

There, in the gallop, you can only say what is approved by the striped embassy ...
The upper ones say all sorts of nonsense, skakuas and pans of heads are jumping .... "idyll"!

[cniza]

What will be put into Biden's head, we cannot even imagine close, but they will put it in for sure ...

[rocket757]

So there is a plan, given has already been drawn up, approved and implemented!
Minor fluctuations won't change anything.

[Gado]

I didn’t expect from you, I’m Bulgarian, if you don’t understand yet. I always admired your poems, but it’s like that - you want to burn us. And do you feel sorry for us?

[IL-18]

Quote: Gado

you want to burn us. And do you feel sorry for us?

What can I say! You have to be Russian (Dagestanis, Tatar, Yakut, Chukchi and a representative of any people of Russia) in order to understand us correctly. A simple example: one of the news sites had two articles about the Bulgarian elections. So the comments under the same nickname to general articles were diametrically opposed. The first article requires the Russian leadership to ignore the renegades. To the second, curses against Gorbachev and Yeltsin for the fact that the fraternal people cannot trade with us and live richer, and we have always been left without our beloved Bulgarian

[pytar]

A simple example: one of the news sites had two articles about the Bulgarian elections. So the comments under the same nickname to general articles were diametrically opposed.

Andrey, you can often see this! The troll didn't even bother to write with a duplicate nickname! Apparently he was too lazy, and so gets money! All forums are full of etih virtual pests! They are here to see prices on VO!
Note: Addressing a person by name, in the Bulgarian sense, is an expression of good intentions, not disrespect!

[IL-18]

Peter! We also have a name expression of respect. Unfortunately, commentators of my generation do not bother with collecting likes, with the appropriate material support. That nickname is an obvious pensioner or close to that, we were Friends in Odnoklassniki. Our person can vote for Putin in the elections, and then go to a protest rally so that the authorities are aware that there is no need to relax. And we also have a lot of trolls, but for the money ... Moreover, on some resource I saw the opinion that the program for cheating likes was the first to be created by the Russians .

[pytar]

Clear! Thanks for the clarifications!
I have no doubt that the Russians were the first to create the program for boosting likes! Talented people, everyone can! They will find a solution for every problem! For each nut, a bolt ...

[IL-18]

Quote: pytar

Talented people, everyone can!

To the heap, an old Soviet anecdote.
An American girl asks her mother:
- Mom, what is love?
- And this, my daughter, the Russians came up with, so as not to pay money.

[pytar]

In our country it sounded the same, only in place of the "Russians", "party members" / communist parties / were put.

[Doccor18]

..the Biden administration "will increase military aid to Kiev, and therefore a" second Karabakh "may occur."

There will be a second "Dnieper-Carpathian strategic operation" ...

[cniza]

Also in one of the comments it is said that the Biden administration "will increase military aid to Kiev, and therefore a" second Karabakh "may occur."

The only question is, who will be in the role of Karabakh? ...

[rocket757]

Well, yes, babakh Karabakh!
When the situation inside the country becomes worse, they will look for other ways to relieve internal tension ... but just for the sake of whom the local authorities rustle?

[Terenin]

Quote: cniza

Also in one of the comments it is said that the Biden administration "will increase military aid to Kiev, and therefore a" second Karabakh "may occur."

The only question is, who will be in the role of Karabakh? ...

Vitya, they are not afraid of anything They declared themselves "the most powerful army in Europe" and believed. And whoever objects to VNA, sanctions and "turn off the gas"

[Nyrobsky]

Today's Ukraine, already now, having passed under full external control, is a phantom country with state characteristics, which has lost its state subjectivity (sovereignty and independence) and is being used by external players as an object of a geopolitical game. In the event of a war against Donbass, the liquidation commission chaired by collaborator Zelensky will indeed lead Ukraine to the fact that not only subjectivity will be lost, but also the administrative-territorial boundaries of this territorial entity will be cut downward due to the loss of a number of regions.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Present-day Ukraine already now, having passed under full external control, is a phantom country with state characteristics,

And a huge amount of debt.

[IL-18]

Quote: Nyrobsky

not only subjectivity will be lost, but administrative-territorial boundaries will also be cut

This is the root of all evil. The territory behind them will remain decent. And this residual Ukraine will already be Russia's worst enemy. So the West will have to strain much less on the issue of "containing Russia". So, support the rhetoric, and the rest will be done by the Ukrainians, Georgians, Balts and someone else can be cheated for modest babosik.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: IL-18

This is the root of all evil. The territory behind them will remain decent. And this residual Ukraine will already be Russia's worst enemy.

If the "territorial centrifuge" is triggered and the country goes into a razor, then the territories will leave not only in the direction of Russia, but also in the direction of Poland, Romania and Hungary, which would be a sin not to take advantage of this situation, since The Kuevo authorities are unlikely to be able to oppose this with anything. The troops can be brought in under the "specious" pretext of protecting ethnic minorities from the "aggression" of Russia, but they will not be able to withdraw them. Further, in these territories, it is possible to hold a referendum and be included in its composition in the image and likeness of Crimea. So, the remaining stub of an independent, in addition to Russia, will equally fiercely hate its European neighbors. What lives there now and so does not differ in friendliness to Russia.

[IL-18]

Well, before Yalta-1945 it would have been. Now, subjectivity is more important than sovereignty. Moreover, nobody canceled the beautiful face.

[Sergej1972]

In Crimea, in reality, the population has always been in the majority pro-Russian, and the majority of the population there were and are Great Russians. And in the Lviv region there are no and there were no pro-Polish sentiments, and the Poles themselves are scanty there. There are much more Poles, people with Polish roots in those territories that were part of the Ukrainian SSR even before 1939, but even there they are in a clear minority.

[rotmistr60]

Biden's administration "will increase military aid to Kiev, and therefore a" second Karabakh "may occur"

Where Ukraine will find itself in an even worse position than Armenia. The Bulgarian is clearly pro-Western and suffers from Russophobia. More adequate comments were given above. For 7 years the USA has been pumping up this territory with weapons, financing military expenses, inciting from which the "independent" swell with pride, make up unrealizable plans, make loud statements, and at night they quietly cry into a pillow from powerlessness.

[orionvitt]

Quote: rotmistr60

The United States has been pumping up this territory with weapons for 7 years, funding military spending, inciting

Well, not much is pumped up, and not much funded, so for the sake of appearance. But with political support, then yes, everything is in order. That's just political support alone, you won't go far. Times are now radically changing, strong changes of a global nature are coming and, at least for Ukraine, it will end very badly. However, let them cry, for us to cry ...

[Thrifty]

Yes, and it is necessary to restore historical justice, let the uk-Roina disappear as a state, because it could not become a real state, because it did not really want to! Return the lands of Russia, and let the European Union pay us compensation for the sanctions, otherwise we will also return the lands of "vymirat rudeness" to ourselves ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I disagree with you. Don't be greedy. Transcarpathia, Galicia should be justly returned to Poland and Hungary. At the same time, the Poles will resolve the issue of "Ukrainization". They will remember everything to them. The rest - (necessary) - must be returned to the RF. Citizens who consider themselves Euro-Ukrainians must be transported (free of charge) by Russian Railways - to the EU borders.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

I disagree with you. Don't be greedy. Transcarpathia, Galicia must be justly returned to Poland and Hungary. At the same time, the Poles will resolve the issue of "

Kemsk parish, you say? Yes I will ...

[Black lotos]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

The rest - (necessary) - must be returned to the RF. Citizens who consider themselves Euro-Ukrainians must be transported (free of charge) by Russian Railways - to the EU borders.

wow ... discussion of the seizure of someone else's territory and the eviction of living residents from there according to incomprehensible criteria, because they will have to take everyone out.
Stalinist methods -migration of peoples? In the 21st century?
Man is the most important resource. Consumer and producer of goods
There is critically little white Slavic language left and is declining. And then they were going to liquidate by millions.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Come on.) They are not going to "liquidate" anyone here.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Come on.) They are not going to "liquidate" anyone here.

how to understand it

Citizens who consider themselves Euro-Ukrainians must be transported (free of charge) by Russian Railways - to the EU borders.

all who are not delighted will be subject to export to Chop? In fact it is "liquidation".
Both literally and figuratively.
Can you imagine how this can affect everything?
And there are many similar proposals. And Ukrainians and Russians also read you. And the more such comments are, the worse for the interests of Russia.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Please do not write nonsense ... Well, funny, honestly. "so much the worse for the interests of Russia", etc. Sorry,

[Sergej1972]

In Galicia, Poles are scanty, and the majority of the population does not want to be part of Poland.

[Sergej1972]

And how are you better than Ukrainian Natsiks calling for the expulsion of Russians from Donbass? No, only those territories should enter Russia, the majority of whose population wants to become citizens of our country. The same territories where the majority of the population does not express such a desire, but at the same time there are significant pro-Russian sentiments and forces and (or) that are important to us from a geopolitical and economic point of view, should become part of Russia's sphere of influence. The forms can be different - allied relations, confederation, bilateral military-political and economic alliances, etc. And work with the population.

[fa2998]

Why such a boil? Some kind of pensioner in Ukraine, said something. Yes, they have "former presidents" to the fig (even we have in Rostov). They swell like toads, and we grab, discuss. Sort out is a private person. Like me and all the members of the site.

[orionvitt]

Quote: fa2998

Some kind of pensioner in Ukraine, said something

Let's say it's not just a pensioner, but secondly, he clearly and clearly articulates the political course of Ukraine. So what do you disagree with? Maybe Kravchuk said something different from what all the ukropolitiki "exposed" by the authorities say? Everything is in strict order and fits perfectly with the "ideological line of the party."

[fa2998]

Since when did the retirees begin to "voice the political course"? That they do not have a president, or a foreign minister. Yes, there are a lot of high-ranking officials. This is called official policy. And what the grandmother said in the kitchen is sometimes more important than Kravchuk said. Do not worry, this is not important.

[orionvitt]

Quote: fa2998

Since when did the retirees begin to "voice the political course"

Yes, no one cares deeply, do not worry you so. Moreover, as I wrote above, he does not say anything that "officials" in Ukraine would not say. The same Faberge.

[APASUS]

Sometimes Kravchuk has memory lapses. This is normal for Ukrainian politicians, they have a fashion to forget everything said ....... Somehow Kravchuk does not remember that Ukrainians took part in hostilities in Chechnya or Georgia.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I walked for a long time and thought, “How much longer will the Kremlin tolerate the chubats? In Chechnya, there were. In Georgia, there were ..” “Therefore, I was very happy about the return of Crimea. Because they have one thing, but judging by the history, they like it.

[Incomprehensible]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Once again, he will jump to the Donbass, and ... The rope will be taken away. Absolutely ...

And what then, after weaning the rope !? This is the worst case than just making the LDNR a territory of Russia.

[Rose capone]

Tsar Peter, Catherine II and Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev would have known what stupid Gorbachevs, Yeltsyns and moronic kravchuks did to the lands of the Russian Tsar's Crown. Against this background, Kravchuk is a saltier, rushing Natsik, a pygmy in an embroidered shirt with an old badge of a member of the CPSU Central Committee in a sweaty, slimy palm.

[aszzz888]

Rose capone
Rosa Capone (Tatiana Arkadyevna)
Today, 13: 02
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Tsar Peter, Catherine II and Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev would have known what stupid Gorbachevs, Yeltsyns and moronic kravchuks did to the lands of the Russian Tsar's Crown. Against this background, Kravchuk is a saltier, rushing Natsik, a pygmy in an embroidered shirt with an old badge of a member of the CPSU Central Committee in a sweaty, slimy palm.

So this decrepit senile has long been stupid with one rot. It would be time for him, and to attach the sneakers to the corner.

[orionvitt]

Quote: aszzz888

So this decrepit senile has long been stupid with one rot

Well, where is the decrepit senile? He did not say anything new, but on the contrary, he repeated exactly what the local president and the prime minister say in Ukraine, and God forgive me, the foreign minister. In a word, all the clowns who are called politicians in Ukraine for some reason. Which once again confirms that rot in the head is not only among the old senile and dill politicians, but also among a huge part of the citizens of Ukraine. And a similar disease is treated, exclusively by radical methods. Persuasion and even pills do not help here.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Rosa Capone

made with the lands of the Russian Tsar's Crown.

it was done in Moscow. Despite all the desire in Moscow, Kravchuk was not the main one.
It is stupid to blame Kravchuk exclusively for the acts of the Moscow trials.
Its share in the collapse of the USSR is small. Center of the USSR - Moscow simply surrendered to the USSR, while separating the RSFSR and recognizing the supremacy of its laws over the laws of the USSR. The republics had no choice but to raise their flags if the people wanted to preserve the USSR at least somehow.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

What do you want from the policeman's son? And the valiant Communist Party, this Judas, took into its ranks. I can imagine what slogans he shouted from the rostrum of the congresses. Lies and opportunism are the features of this category of Hramadians in Ukraine.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

I can imagine what slogans he shouted from the rostrum of the congresses. Lies and opportunism are the features of this category of Hramadians in Ukraine.

that is, the current Russian officials and deputies, then pushing slogans from the tribunes of the congresses, are the "throngs of Ukraine"?
The same shifters and opportunists.
Lies and opportunism - has no national traits!

[sgr291158]

He already has senile insanity, every delirium grinds.

[Terenin]

Quote: sgr291158

He already has senile insanity, every delirium grinds.

Kravchuk carried the same nonsense in his youth.

[Igoresha]

Nuu..the Bulgarians are exaggerating, Putin after Debaltseve himself called Poroshenko about a ceasefire, even the blotter within Donetsk was left behind for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

[Ros 56]

As for disappearing, it is somehow doubtful, the debts must be paid to the whole world, but the fact that the area of ​​ukroreikh will be reduced significantly is indisputable.

[evgen1221]

Can Kravchuk retire a politician in exile by analogy with the Poles in the Second World War? There is less and less tasty vnau, but the habit of eating has remained. Yes, and it will be more profitable, know and whine after the salary.

[Klingon]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: aszzz888

Even Bulgarians are tired of it. The extreme

Jumping, fact! Once again, he will jump to the Donbass, and ... The rope will be taken away. Absolutely ...

yeah, and China, because of its resentment for the Sich motor, will also stop supplying pots with Aliexpress

[Viktor Sergeev]

An old, madman who has gone out of his mind, do not pay attention to him.

[Bagatur]

Strange ... Ukraine, Donbass ... not a topic for discussion with us.

[pytar]

Strange ... Ukraine, Donbass ... not a topic for discussion with us.

That's for sure! On the 155th place, somewhere ... On the first place - the upcoming elections and the situation with covid!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: pytar

On the 155th place, somewhere ...

Seriously? How can we fail to notice you, little ones, when we are going to throw Iskander into the island?

[pytar]

Seriously?

Absolutely serious! We have our own topics much more relevant!

How can we fail to notice you, little ones, when we are going to throw Iskander into the island?

Normal guys have different wet dreams! Not Iskander in their thoughts!

[Sergej1972]

I wonder what are the chances of the socialists, on the one hand, and Borisov's supporters, on the other hand, in the upcoming elections?

[pytar]

I wonder what are the chances of the socialists, on the one hand, and Borisov's supporters, on the other hand, in the upcoming elections?

GERB Borisov leads with 5-6% in front of the socialists / BSP /, but no one can make up a government on their own. This is where the riddles begin! Who will be coalition with whom is unknown! It depends how many more parties will enter the Parliament! 5 is guaranteed, but perhaps 2 more will enter and then the situation changes dramatically. Uncertainty also contributes to a large percentage of undecided electors. There is still a chance that due to the corona of the virus, the turnout will be lower than expected.


The chance for both parties is practically equal, but theoretically there is a variant for the third to make up the government! Each vote will be decisive.

[Sergej1972]

Thanks for the information, for such a detailed answer! Very interesting. Excuse me, can I ask you another question? Are there parties in Bulgaria that advocate the transfer of part of the power from the government to the President?

[pytar]

Are there parties in Bulgaria that advocate the transfer of part of the power from the government to the President?

As far as I know, there are no such significant ones. After all, the transfer of powers from parties to the president means that the parties have less influence. On this it is necessary to change the Constitution, Bulgaria is a parliamentary republic. The Constitution can only be changed by the so-called. Great / extended / popular assembly. In the history of Bulgaria from 1879 to the present, VNS was collected only 7 times.

[Sergej1972]

Thanks again! You always provide very interesting information.

[Growlers]

Kravchuk went down in the history of Ukraine thanks to the term "kravchuchka" - the name of a variety of hand trolleys for transporting goods. So necessary for survival in the 90s, the years of the reign of this bad man. He simply has no more merit.

[iouris]

The agony of the "Ukrainian state" begins. The fact of his bankruptcy is no longer in doubt by anyone outside of it. A very dangerous historical moment.

[kit88]

Kravchuk added (in an interview with the Ukraine 24 TV channel) that "he will do everything to force Russia to return to the international legal channel."

Yes, he can’t fasten his fly on his own, but he was going to force Russia.

[Gennady Fomkin]

I'll tell you a terrible thing, but don't be alarmed - on the territory, which is also called Ukraine, and near it, there will never be anything more or less normal, never, and never was, with any ethnic group living there in different historical periods, there was always decay to a certain level of semi-degradation, if I may say so. And there are compelling circumstances for this.

There was only a moment of relative prosperity, but it was provided in everything exclusively by Russia, this stage has flown by irrevocably, there will be no such incredible luck. ...

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

As in the case of the unsolved death of the students of Igor Dyatlov's group, sometimes an unknown irresistible force acts on this territory. Moreover, from the time of the ancient Greeks and Scythians to this day.

[Vdi73]

They themselves beat the LDNR on the hands, signing Minsk1, Minsk2, it would be a long time since this gemaroy in the form of underwhelming would not have existed. They were afraid of sanctions, but you still get them twice a month. It is not for nothing that someone wise said, wordlessly, if you want to avoid war so that there is no shame, you will get both shame and war.

[Evil 55]

"Forced" has not yet grown for Russia ... Neither Mr. Kravchuk, nor anyone else ... Learn history and everything will be clear to everyone ..

[sokol77]

Do not forget, this is our territory, truly Russian, including Galicia. There are Russian people there, every inch of it is watered with the blood of our ancestors, it must return to Mother's bosom completely, you need to act subtly. There, and so Russian blood is shed for what in vain and this is the worst thing when the Russian is against the Russian. My state knows what to do in this situation, I believe it, it must return what it has lost. And, we will forgive all our sins later.

[Andrei Makarov]

Not tired of being so naive? As Mark Twain said: "It is easier to fool a person than to explain to him that he is being fooled." Yes, not where she does not jump. I mean Ukraine. And there is nothing that does not wake up DNR and LNR allowed to take away from Ukraine. This is the theater of one master of America. RF is a vassal of the IMF on the territory of Russia. In turn, the IMF, in terms of ownership and financing, is 100% owned by America. The role of the Russian Federation in this theater is to drive Ukraine into as large a debt to the IMF as possible. Thus, to maximize the position of America in Ukraine. In this theater, the Russian Federation itself does not act in favor of Russia.

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

Even without any wars, a bleak prospect awaits Ukraine - the economy is almost destroyed, the population will scatter or die out in the next 40-50 years. Plus, the country has claims to all its neighbors. Yes, probably, the neighbors also have questions to Ukraine. So, not a big picture. Sad.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko

As in the case of the unsolved death of the students of Igor Dyatlov's group, sometimes an unknown irresistible force acts on this territory. Moreover, from the time of the ancient Greeks and Scythians to this day.

Ukrainian hatched It was never good for you. Your karma is to be a wild field.

[Alexey Gusev_4]

Leonid Kravchuk is a former ideologist of the Communist Party of the Ukrainian SSR, the first state bandit who robbed the Black Sea shipping company in independent Ukraine, a parent and mentor of the Bandera movement in the Galician expanses. Truss to the bone.

[Mantykora]

What a woe! "Ukraine will disappear from the map of the world"! First or last, or what?
Yes, most of the population will say "Well, good." Ukraine today is a territory of terror (internal and external) with slight signs of a state.
Moreover, the logical implementation of the Ukrainian "law on decommunization" should be the liquidation of Ukraine - it is still legally the heir to the Ukrainian SSR, created by the "sworn communist regime".

[klara]

Ukraine is, first of all, primordially Russian territories and 76% of the population of ethnic Russians crushed by terror. And it was possible to return it back in a couple of months. Yes, even now it is possible, only more time and money are needed. But instead, insurance agent Zurabov was sent there as ambassadors, then the large-scale oil thief billionaire Chernomyrdin ... And now it is not clear what the oligarchic authorities of the Russian Federation are doing there. Except for good business with the Ukronazi oligarchs. The war in the Donbass is profitable for our oligarch-thieves, 70% of the financial turnover of Banderland is through the banks of the Russian Federation, and our defense industry is providing such large assistance to the Ukronazi defense industry that since last year the figures have been classified. So first I advise you to determine the starting positions - to give up your compatriots in Little Russia and Novorossia for destruction or, as any normal country does, to free them.

[klara]

All this, excuse me, hernja, in masculine terms. I bet on a bottle of cognac: the current government will lose the war in Donbass. Shameful. And not for military or economic reasons, but for foreign policy: too much dough was stolen and taken away, they can lose everything at any second. Already Britain has threatened that it is ready to confiscate everything, and in the United States, a massive confiscation will cause massive delight and love for power. The situation is hopeless: winning the war with NATO by crushing the Ukronazis cannot and cannot be lost, otherwise the entire government, led by the irremovable, will go to the trash heap immediately, as it was at the beginning of the 19th century. All repeats. Hopefully, the next government will be on the side of the people. They will return all Russian territories lost in 1991. But first of all, he will return EVERYTHING stolen, without hesitating the most cruel measures. Is it a pity? And they, thieves from the authorities and billionaire bandits, pitied us when they forced (and still do today!) A million people a year to die of hunger, lack of money, lack of medical care, medicine, housing, work, safety of life and other delights? And we are sure that they will get away with everything. The king also thought that the people adored him even in 1917.