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Armenian MP: The surrender of Karabakh was preliminary agreed

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Naira Zohrabyan, a member of the Armenian parliament from the “Prosperous Armenia” faction, is “more than sure” that the surrender of Nagorno-Karabakh to the Azerbaijani military was previously agreed upon. She believes that tens of thousands of Armenians think the same way.


The parliamentarian writes about this on his Facebook page.

Zohrabyan also consistently and persistently advocates the dismissal of the Prime Minister of the republic Nikol Pashinyan and his entourage.

The MP listed well-known politicians in Armenia and gave them brief descriptions. As a result, she concluded that none of them are suitable for the role of "savior of the country." Among others, Zohrabyan mentioned the current Armenian president.

Armen Sargsyan will not save Armenia and the remaining pieces of Artsakh. Never. He will always be “Swiss”: neutral, fluffy and warm.

- the deputy described him.

She believes that the citizens of Armenia do not need to wait for a "savior" from the current head of government.



Until everyone understands that the savior from Nicholas and "Nicholism" is each of us, and he should not wait for other saviors, they will destroy the last traces of our statehood for a very long time.

- said Zohrabyan.

Earlier, the MP, in an interview with the journalists of the "Sputnik Armenia" agency, expressed the idea that Nikol Pashinyan should voluntarily resign from his post.

Pashinyan still has a chance to leave by political means, since the alternative to this is reprisal. Perhaps the time will come when we will not be able to provide a humanitarian corridor for those who must be brought to justice.

she thinks.
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https://www.facebook.com/n.zohrabyan, Минобороны Армении
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  1. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O 7 March 2021 12: 36
    -25%
    no, azeirbadzhan just had better weapons! Their UAVs are just super! Suppressed everything! It is a pity that we are 40 years late on UAVs ... and we are still shouting that we have all the best and there are no analogues, a young scientist cannot be found in the Duma, they are not quoted, there are only artists, singers, athletes in the Duma, to lobby for a good idea on there is no one for the defense industry!
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 7 March 2021 12: 45
      +3
      I don’t know how late you were there, but we are more or less getting better with unmanned aerial vehicles.
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O 7 March 2021 13: 10
        -24%
        after 40 years? And what worked out? Are there any specifics? 3 Orions in Syria? Let's not say much straight
        And yes, I am from the Space Capital of our Motherland, Samara, where Kozlov union did, and for some reason the airport was called Korolev, apparently ashamed of the names of Kozlov-that's how we now have criminal patriotism
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 7 March 2021 14: 45
          +2
          Perhaps I'm wrong, but I believe that Naira is right only that Pashinyan should leave. And, in my opinion, there is a worthy candidate. This is Vanetsyan.
      2. Steen
        Steen 7 March 2021 14: 20
        -9
        Well, yes, with unmanned aerial vehicles everything is wonderful and once it is wonderful.
        1. venik
          venik 7 March 2021 22: 52
          -1
          Quote: Steen
          Well, yes, with unmanned aerial vehicles everything is wonderful and once it is wonderful.

          ========
          I'm glad you think so ... Just before you write the next comment, please - "pull up" Russian language, and that is disgusting to read! wassat
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 7 March 2021 13: 43
      +17
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      , a young scientist cannot be found in the Duma, they are not quoted, there are only artists, singers in the Duma,

      A scientist cannot go to the Duma. The Duma will gain nothing, but science will lose.
    3. dauria
      dauria 7 March 2021 13: 51
      +3
      Their UAVs are just super! Suppressed everything!


      So no one fought with them. Armenia did not come to the war. One airplane with a cannon would be enough. Like a messer of the second world. Voice guidance from the ground. Gorovets in one battle on La-5 knocked down nine Junkers 87. So they fired back, and maneuvered .... Yes, and stronger than these "flybags" were, and more jovial.
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O 7 March 2021 14: 51
        -9
        Few people here at all understand the essence of war, I have already noticed
        You should not underestimate the capabilities of the Armenian army in Karabakh, they were armed quite well, they fought well in general, the Azerbaijani army suffered huge losses
        It was just that Aliyev put his soul into equipping his Army, moved away from false patriotism and bought all the best! And won!
        Turkish UAVs uhaidakali S-300, Thor is so mocking at all, I will generally keep quiet about the Wasps, they are in our arsenal, especially in the Navy, their analogue is almost everywhere
        Especially Azerbaijanis have advanced in the training of special forces, well done cho!
        Now Aliyev will buy even more modern weapons, he is silent and buys, and we all boast, Thanks even to the armored car Lynx (Iveco) in Syria, he saves our special forces soldiers, they shy away from the tiger, but there is little Lynx left, why the contract was terminated in favor of the tiger, as I understood
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 7 March 2021 17: 53
          0
          Quote: Holuay T.O.
          Few people here understand the essence of war at all,

          Are you here too? And you are a young man, which academies graduated from the Russian Academy of the General Staff or the American West Point?
          generally fought well

          Yes, I remember a video from an Azerbaijani UAV, where an Armenian tank was covered with a mask. the net stood in the middle of the track left from the tracks of the tanks ... the crew apparently thought that his tank was not visible ...
          It was just that Aliyev put his soul into equipping his Army, moved away from false patriotism and bought all the best! And won!

          Not at all. It's just that Aliyev was planning a nimble in the form of a palace coup, in Baku many are unhappy that all the good of the country belongs to 2-3 clans ...
          1. Holuay T.O
            Holuay T.O 7 March 2021 18: 47
            -3
            Are you here too? And you are a young man, which academies graduated from the Russian Academy of the General Staff or the American West Point?

            I really served the Motherland in the face of the USSR, I will not list, it is inconvenient, I will say that I gave a subscription for 5 years for some reason, not to disclose, but just did not understand why not to disclose? I knew something about Operation Kavkaz, but Mossad and the CIA already knew more than I did, although in the early 80s everyone left Odessa on a cruise ship and everyone was wearing a body shirt, jeans, and adidas sneakers that were in short supply then ...

            Yes, I remember a video from an Azerbaijani UAV, where an Armenian tank was covered with a mask. the net stood in the middle of the track left from the tracks of the tanks ... the crew apparently thought that his tank was not visible ...

            A purely feminine look ... Yes, there with the UAV and the regiment burned down, just Turkish UAVs suppressed the radar with interference ... I saw how the Armenians professionally deployed far from weak Azeri special forces and defeated the armored column ... The war is a contradictory thing ... with your view better to move away from Analytics ..

            Not at all. It's just that Aliyev was planning a nimble in the form of a palace coup, many in Baku are unhappy that all the good of the country belongs to 2-3 clans ...

            I don't really care, but Aliyev's army is excellent and this is a fact
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 7 March 2021 18: 57
              -1
              Quote: Holuay T.O.
              Aliyev's army is excellent and this is a fact

              Maybe at Pashinyan's, you are fighting for the Armenian army here?
              1. Holuay T.O
                Holuay T.O 7 March 2021 19: 01
                -4
                No, I don't give a damn about both countries
            2. Holuay T.O
              Holuay T.O 7 March 2021 19: 00
              -3
              Operation Caucasus 2 Amendment
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 7 March 2021 19: 14
                0
                Quote: Holuay T.O.
                Operation Caucasus 2 Amendment

                When will the rest come up?
                1. Holuay T.O
                  Holuay T.O 7 March 2021 19: 18
                  -4
                  You would have tied nonsense here. funny, fools are only attractive, but for smart ones it's awful
          2. Anar
            Anar 8 March 2021 10: 25
            0
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Not at all. It's just that Aliyev was planning a nimble in the form of a palace coup, in Baku many are unhappy that all the good of the country belongs to 2-3 clans ...

            Damn, I'm from Baku, a simple guy, half Russian and half Azerbaijani, in a middle-class family. And I will tell you a secret that I am very good here, I have many acquaintances of both ethnic Azerbaijanis and ethnic Slavs (I do not divide into Russians and Ukrainians, there is no difference).
            There will definitely not be a palace coup here, here 80% of the people know that there is no one better than Aliyev. He was born with money, he is well fed. Everyone understands if someone else comes, then problems will begin until he clogs his pocket. So no need to say nonsense living in the wrong place about what country we are talking about. Why would the people themselves not allow a palace coup?
      2. venik
        venik 7 March 2021 23: 05
        0
        Quote: dauria
        One airplane with a cannon would be enough. Like a messer of the second world.

        ========
        good It's funny, but now, you, Alexey, have thrown a very curious idea, de facto one of the most effective ways to deal with small UAVs !!! A turboprop or even a piston light attack aircraft (something like "Tucano" or even Yak-152) with powerful cannon and machine gun armament (rockets are not needed in FIG), capable of loitering in the "square" for a long time, in conjunction with a radar such as "Wadai "(or something similar), but that's what the doctor ordered!" Namely - "both cheap and cheerful" !!! drinks
        1. Private-K
          Private-K 8 March 2021 08: 57
          +1
          Only for a month it turned out that Azerbaijani fighters were constantly on duty over the Azerbaijani territory, ready to immediately hit any Armenian air target. So, single anti-drone "Messerschmitts" would not have helped - they would have been knocked down.

          And - yes, we will still look at the Armenian waving fists after a fight in the style: "Wow, if they gave us, we would show them for a long time."
          1. venik
            venik 8 March 2021 11: 28
            0
            Quote: Private-K
            Azerbaijani fighters were constantly on duty over the Azerbaijani territory, ready to immediately hit any Armenian air target.

            =======
            Well, I meant, not specifically Armenia and Azerbaijan, but the topic, the topic, as such! This time!
            Second: it was about protection against small, relatively slow-moving UAVs or loitering ammunition is precisely rear targets.
            Third: all this, of course, loses all meaning if there is no sufficiently powerful air defense capable of prevent enemy fighters into their territory!
            1. dauria
              dauria 8 March 2021 20: 17
              +1
              able to prevent enemy fighters from entering their territory!


              Not so, Volodya ... wink Your opponent ran into the conclusion himself -
              all these "biktars" are applicable only against the cow herd.
              When countries are at war (and Armenia did not fight), then you run up, as always, on the need for air supremacy. At least local.
              And the conclusion is - fly, pigeons, to protect your toys from the "Messer", the same fighters are waiting for you with impatience (how is your friend?) Constantly on duty. Or even send a special "bait". wink Fuck, a direct battle with a build-up of forces turns out ... laughing
              Do you know how it really ends? Yes, just soon they will create a racket with a height reach of 12 km. Simple, cheap. She doesn't need awesome speed, the main parameter will be the price.
              And they will transfer all UAVs of this type to civilian life. To graze cows, watch fires, drive fishermen.
    4. Andobor
      Andobor 8 March 2021 08: 59
      -2
      Are you not Ukrainian by any chance?
      - You talk like a typical hired crap, - you spar purely according to the training manual.
  2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 March 2021 12: 38
    +3
    Soros have tried.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 7 March 2021 12: 41
    +11
    Well, yes, but simply to recognize Karabakh as Armenia, to come out with recognition at the world level, and most importantly, to prepare the armies of Karabakh and Armenia itself as an army of a unified state, to purchase and create new weapons ourselves, to modernize all weapons, learn how to dig trenches, mask equipment, to conduct continuous reconnaissance in the adjacent territory, it is all so difficult than the search or the appointment of "extreme"!
    1. Avior
      Avior 7 March 2021 12: 58
      +5
      Recognizing Karabakh by Armenia is to officially recognize Armenia's attack on Azerbaijan.
      After that, there will automatically be a full-scale war with Azerbaijan without the support of the CSTO, for which Armenia is not ready, first of all, financially.
    2. Anar
      Anar 8 March 2021 10: 57
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Well, yes, but simply to recognize Karabakh as Armenia, to come out with recognition at the world level, and most importantly, to prepare the armies of Karabakh and Armenia itself as an army of a unified state, to purchase and create new weapons ourselves, to modernize all weapons, learn how to dig trenches, mask equipment, to conduct continuous reconnaissance in the adjacent territory, it is all so difficult than the search or the appointment of "extreme"!


      In this case, Turkey and Azerbaijan recognize Armenia as their territory))))) and Armenia understands this very well. At the expense of the CSTO, most likely not one of the countries except Russia will actively support Armenia, since their relations with Azerbaijan are much better than with Armenia. And some simply do not want because Pakistan is behind Azerbaijan and Turkey, and he, like Turkey, has been saying all these 44 days that if Azerbaijan only asks for 340 thousand Pakistani troops will be in Karabakh. But for some reason, it was not profitable for world politics to demonize Pakistan and they kept silent about it, speaking only about Turkey. By the way, Pakistan has not yet recognized Armenia as a separate republic.
      A question to you personally, if Armenia recognizes Karabakh as its own and in this case a big war starts, will you personally go to defend the interests of Armenia fighting for it in the person of the CSTO? Or will you just sit here and watch Russian soldiers die defending the interests of the occupier?
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 March 2021 12: 52
    +14
    Pashinyan still has a chance to leave by political means, since the alternative to this is reprisals.
    And who brought this Pashinyan to power, threatening the legitimate government with violence? Who raged in the streets and squares, who shouted "Down with Russia!" and destroyed the Armed Forces of Armenia? The question is, of course, rhetorical, but where were these deputies then? After a fight, they do not wave their fists, but disassemble and eliminate errors.
    1. Yujanin
      Yujanin 8 March 2021 08: 29
      0

      And who brought this Pashinyan to power, threatening the legitimate government with violence? Who raged in the streets and squares, who shouted "Down with Russia!" and destroyed the Armed Forces of Armenia? The question is, of course, rhetorical, but where were these deputies then? After a fight, they do not wave their fists, but disassemble and eliminate errors.

      How where were you? They helped Pashinyan to legitimize the coup in Armenia.
      This deputy (head of the PAP parliamentary faction) modestly kept silent how her party, led by Tsarukyan, joined forces with Pashinyan and gave the latter the opportunity to seize power

  5. rocket757
    rocket757 7 March 2021 12: 53
    +2
    What else do the citizens of Armenia need to decide where and why they need?
    How did they figure it out, decide who is their friend and support, and who is the enemy?
  6. Avior
    Avior 7 March 2021 12: 54
    +9
    She did not say, but who will save Armenia?
    Either Tsarukyan, the founder of her party, and the current leader, or Zagrobyan herself, whom he gave to steer the party for a couple of years in 2015.
    Nobody except them! smile
    By the way, the party supported Pashinyan's coming to power.
    1. bar
      bar 7 March 2021 14: 03
      +5
      Quote: Avior
      She did not say, but who will save Armenia?

      Well, she herself, of course. If everyone around is in good condition and unworthy, and she is all so white, then she should be saved. laughing
    2. knn54
      knn54 7 March 2021 15: 02
      +3
      “She believes that tens of thousands of Armenians think the same way.
      Who were waiting for victory, being in the rear.
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 7 March 2021 18: 35
      +1
      Therefore, they cannot in any way topple Pashinyan.
      There is no leader to show an alternative.
  7. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 13: 01
    +9
    Naira Zohrabyan is "more than sure" that the surrender of Nagorno-Karabakh to the Azerbaijani military was previously agreed upon. She believes that tens of thousands of Armenians think the same way.

    Well, I would buy a machine gun and go to the trenches of Karabakh, what's the problem?
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 7 March 2021 13: 41
      +10
      She can not. She has a pedicure, manicure, styling, haircut .....)
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 13: 47
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        She has a pedicure, manicure, styling, haircut .....)

        So much fun! Haircut bald, lice, in the very place of lice ... Wow, damn it, I wrote, and the itch went ... Self-hypnosis, probably ...
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 7 March 2021 13: 58
      +1
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Well, I would buy a machine gun and go to the trenches of Karabakh, what's the problem?

      In fairness, she was not elected as an ordinary shooter.
      Those who elected - let them blame themselves. hi
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 14: 09
        +2
        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
        In fairness, she was not elected as an ordinary shooter.

        My brain is completely unstuck.
        Why was she elected?
  8. Alexga
    Alexga 7 March 2021 13: 07
    +13
    Babbling the losers of the war. The lady forgets that without the solution of the Karabakh issue by Russia, the very existence of Armenia as a state could be very illusory.
  9. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 7 March 2021 13: 39
    -7
    I really respect Armenians! Great people! Kind, sympathetic. How many in my life I came across Armenians, only the kindest impressions remained. But how these people could choose such an idiot Pashinyan for themselves, I don’t understand. Therefore, it's too late to rush about. Let them draw conclusions. And swinging checkers, you will not help business.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 13: 52
      +10
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Great people! Kind, sympathetic. How many in my life I came across Armenians, only the kindest impressions remained.

      Yes? And we somehow clashed with them in the 90s. They became kind as soon as they saw that the advantage was not in their favor.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 7 March 2021 16: 33
        -3
        Understand. But I'm talking about myself and my experience with people. Maybe I was just lucky. Here with chubaty always - past the cash register.)
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 16: 41
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Maybe I was just lucky.

          Maybe.
          "Open letter to the Deputy Minister of Defense of Armenia General N. Abrahamyan
          I had a son. There were expectations, joys, hopes ... It is unbearably painful to write about this in the past tense. You killed my son, general! He killed along with his soldiers - the whole calculation of ZU-23. Three months passed after that. I'm trying and I can’t understand your psychology. How did this vile murder become possible? And who is its organizer? Deputy Minister of Defense! But you, the general, yourself served in the Armed Forces of the USSR for 34 years ...
          Our son and his soldiers did not give you the weapons that their homeland entrusted to them. With all their behavior in the last hours of their life, they did not shame the glories of this weapon. And what glory did you get for Armenia? I am deeply convinced that if your bandits were in the place of our guys, they would drop their weapons and scatter. And I’m sure because only cowards with an overwhelming superiority in forces could do so meanly. You, the general, traded the army, the glory of which is known to the whole world, for a crowd of bandits, consisting of half of criminals. Using the cowardice, and perhaps the venality of our command in Leninakan, you became insolent that you decided to put the lives of young guys from the army of a friendly country on the sacrificial stone. You have a short memory! Weren't these guys three and a half years ago pulling out your compatriots from the ruins of Leninakan and Spitak after the earthquake? Was this army helping to rebuild the cities of Armenia? So, it turns out that you fully paid for the help.
          In the very first days after the funeral, I wanted to send curses to you, General, on behalf of all the mothers and fathers of the executed soldiers, but decided that it was better to do this in an open letter through the newspaper. Let everyone know about you, and first of all your children. And if after that you can calmly look into their eyes, then you are just not a human being.
          With deep contempt
          Ivan SHAPOVALOV - father of Lieutenant Alexander SHAPOVALOV. "
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 7 March 2021 21: 39
            -3
            I understand the grief of our soldier's father. God forbid to go through this. But Baghramyan is one person, out of millions of Armenians. I don’t change my opinion.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 21: 46
              +2
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              But Baghramyan is one person, out of millions of Armenians.

              He was not the only one who shot our platoon.
              1. Jonathan Davis
                Jonathan Davis 8 March 2021 16: 35
                0
                you can learn more? I heard a lot about these events, but never from first hand
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 8 March 2021 16: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Jonathan Davis
                  but never firsthand

                  No, I'm not firsthand. A friend told me.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 7 March 2021 13: 54
      +4
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Kind, sympathetic. How many in my life I came across Armenians, only the kindest impressions remained. But how this people could choose such an idiot Pashinyan for themselves, I don’t understand

      kindness and responsiveness do not in any way insure against swindlers, thimblers and election promises.
    3. Quadro
      Quadro 7 March 2021 15: 44
      +4
      Well, yes, tell this to the daughter of a Russian, whom the Armenian brothers killed for the fact that he wrote to the Armenian's sister in VK "go fight for Armenia yourself" and came to the meeting not only this kind Armenian, but like a jackal with friends. They are all devils with beards.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 7 March 2021 20: 14
        +1
        Quote: Quadro
        Well, yes, tell this to the daughter of a Russian, whom the Armenian brothers killed for the fact that he wrote to the Armenian's sister in VK "go fight for Armenia yourself" and came to the meeting not only this kind Armenian, but like a jackal with friends

        it is not worth smearing everyone with one color
  10. bar
    bar 7 March 2021 13: 58
    +1
    The MP listed well-known politicians in Armenia and gave them brief descriptions. As a result, she concluded that none of them are suitable for the role of "savior of the country." Among others, Zohrabyan mentioned the current Armenian president.

    But she herself is not like that, she herself is probably ready to become a "savior" winked
  11. arhitroll
    arhitroll 7 March 2021 14: 08
    0
    obviously this is a plus to burn the most patriotic guys in the war ...
  12. Cowbra
    Cowbra 7 March 2021 14: 11
    +2
    And you still try to jump on the square with American flags and screaming "Down with the Russian invaders." As history shows, then the country always loses its statehood and some territory. But you better check it again, what if it's not accurate?
  13. Piramidon
    Piramidon 7 March 2021 14: 12
    +2
    Naira Zohrabyan is "more than sure" that the surrender of Nagorno-Karabakh to the Azerbaijani military was previously agreed upon.

    With whom? Again hinting at Russia, or what?
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 7 March 2021 17: 12
      +2
      Quote: Piramidon
      Naira Zohrabyan is "more than sure" that the surrender of Nagorno-Karabakh to the Azerbaijani military was previously agreed upon.

      With whom? Again hinting at Russia, or what?

      But how. First, the devils are to blame for the loss, then the Russians are to blame
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 March 2021 14: 15
    +1
    I would like to know who, what and with whom coordinated and proof to the studio, but you can think whatever you want. fellow
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 7 March 2021 15: 47
      +3
      Quote: Ros 56
      I would like to know who, what and with whom agreed and proof to the studio

      Where did she get proof? I have seen many such Armenian traders in parsley and basil like this Naira Zohrabyan in our market. They buy greens in bulk from our gardening grannies and immediately sell them at retail 5 times more expensive, and the grannies are kicked out of the market.
  15. iouris
    iouris 7 March 2021 15: 01
    0
    It was clear already on the first day. It's amazing that they only started to understand this now.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 7 March 2021 17: 23
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      It was clear already on the first day.

      The outcome of the conflict was clear back in 2016.
  16. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 7 March 2021 15: 18
    +3
    The change was agreed and four thousand were put so that no one would have guessed. Well, aren't you a fool madam?
  17. svoit
    svoit 7 March 2021 15: 38
    -4
    Russia, selling weapons to both countries, has always explained that this will not lead to an imbalance in the balance of power, that is, it turns out that our intelligence has again sat in a puddle?
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 7 March 2021 17: 21
      +3
      Quote: svoit
      Russia, selling weapons to both countries, has always explained that this will not lead to an imbalance in the balance of power, that is, it turns out that our intelligence has again sat in a puddle?

      Yours, yes.
  18. zloybond
    zloybond 7 March 2021 15: 46
    +2
    In general, I will be brief: Vladimir Vladimirovich, the devil has beguiled, take us back!
  19. Bakinec
    Bakinec 7 March 2021 16: 44
    +5
    Lord, that the Armenians do not come up with an excuse for their defeat. Now they were betrayed by Russia, then Pashinyan was an Azerbaijani agent, then almost half of the world + the Martians fought against them. Probably dumbly admit that Azerbaijan won thanks to a competent foreign policy, competent training, armament and the insane desire of the population to return their lands.
    The reason for such a state of mind of the Armenians lies in the fact that the Armenians for many years (at least the last 30 years) believed that they were gods of war, that they had such a fighting spirit that even an Azerbaijani rocket would be afraid to fly in their direction. It was believed that because of their mythical antiquity, the whole world should revolve around the Armenians, support their aggression against neighbors and fulfill all their desires (for example, Russia should fight for them, the United States should feed, etc.). It is a disease based on a sense of exclusivity that the Germans also suffered from in 1930-1940. The Germans were then cured by the USSR and Armenia by Azerbaijan.
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 7 March 2021 17: 04
    +2
    Someone noticed the oddities and betrayal on the Armenian side? Well, you must
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 7 March 2021 17: 20
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      Someone noticed the oddities and betrayal on the Armenian side? Well, you must

      What a bastard she is. She caught the purest souls of people in betrayal.
  21. bald
    bald 7 March 2021 20: 10
    0
    This all the confusion (tragedy) and for the politicians (like ours), they simply put on the people (I have a lot - a lot of acquaintances, friends of Armenians), and the people are already entangled in their showdown. The usual, simple answer - what does any people need? A decent life and a normal job.
    1. Raven 95
      Raven 95 7 March 2021 20: 36
      +8
      The usual, simple answer - what does any people need? A decent life and a normal job.

      The matter is small - how to organize it all.
      1. bald
        bald 7 March 2021 21: 02
        0
        This is the very ... question, and given their nationality and grafted everything that glitters (sorry, Armenians, I say what you yourself showed, worked together for more than ten years), you have to think, it's not so simple.
      2. Kuzmitsky
        7 March 2021 21: 07
        0
        It would be possible to organize something. It is only necessary to butt and share the pie with each other for power less, and work more. But who would agree to such a thing?
  22. Mr.dimadroll
    Mr.dimadroll 7 March 2021 23: 57
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    Yes, this deputy is just Captain Obvious!
  23. onstar9
    onstar9 8 March 2021 04: 22
    +2
    Nonsense. If Pashinyan wanted to surrender Karabakh, he would have done it voluntarily, and not through a shameful lost war. Yes, long ago Azerbaijan offered to give up Karabakh and was ready to make many concessions and financial proposals for Armenia. And if Pashinyan went for it, now he would look like the initiator of the peaceful end of this long conflict. Plus, there would be excellent relations with Azerbaijan, the borders would open. Perhaps some Armenians would have been unhappy, but there would have been many advantages. And now there are many Armenians who are dissatisfied, shame remains and hostile relations with Azerbaijan remain. In short, some disadvantages. Therefore, the talk that "it was agreed" is nonsense ....
  24. nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 March 2021 06: 09
    -1
    Here the dispute is about form, not content. War usually occurs when peace negotiations have already been exhausted. But these two countries consider Nagorno-Karabakh their own way. Armenia, as a historical part of a century ago, Azerbaijanis, as a former autonomous republic. War can not solve anything. Moreover, all the clans decide here and there. They stir up these wars. Someone thinks that if Karabakh goes to one side or another, then justice will be restored. This will not happen. Mutual hatred prevails over reason.
    1. abdullaevfamil
      abdullaevfamil 8 March 2021 23: 51
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      Nikolai Malyugin justice will be restored after the withdrawal of Russian troops from the South Caucasus, otherwise there will be no peace.
  25. Azimuth
    Azimuth 8 March 2021 11: 28
    -1
    Quote: Anar
    Quote: Lara Croft
    Not at all. It's just that Aliyev was planning a nimble in the form of a palace coup, in Baku many are unhappy that all the good of the country belongs to 2-3 clans ...
    ... There will definitely not be a palace coup here, here 80% of the people know that there is no one better than Aliyev. He was born with money, he is well fed. Everyone understands if someone else comes, then problems will begin until he clogs his pocket. So no need to say nonsense living in the wrong place about what country we are talking about. Why would the people themselves not allow a palace coup?
    In my humble opinion, you are wrong. Aliyev has many opponents both inside and around Azerbaijan.
    Quite an amusing situation in Azerbaijan, against the background of even greater rapprochement with Turkey, the growth of pan-Turkic sentiments in general and the growth of national self-awareness, especially after, to be honest, the brilliant victory of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh ... the country is ruled by an ethnic Kurd. And the further, the more Aliyev's roots make themselves felt.
    Judge for yourself, the Kurd rules Azerbaijan, the Kurd is at the head of the large exclave of Nakhichevan, that is, ALL of Azerbaijan is in the power of the Kurds, and the cherry on the cake is the Kurd, the head of the Kurdish president's security, in fact, the third person in the state in terms of influence and concentrated capital, and quite successfully fighting the only one force of conditionally Azerbaijani origin, first lady and vice-president, Aliyev's wife - Mehriban.
    In fact, all those few Azerbaijanis, natives of Armenia and Nakhichevan, who were approached by the father of the current president, are gradually expelled from the elites.
    Such a situation can hardly suit Turkey and its leadership, especially against the backdrop of rumors of a number of Kurds from the Azerbaijani leadership with the Iraqi Kurds, PKK and others.

    The opposition in Azerbaijan is conventionally the pro-Turkish Popular Front and initially the pro-Turkish Musavat. Why is the Popular Front conditionally pro-Turkish, because we all remember that the KGB of the USSR stood behind the creation of the Popular Fronts at the suggestion of Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev, adored in Azerbaijan, and our people are clearly in the roots of these structures. But Musavat was originally created by the German-Turkish special services headed by their agent M.E. Rasulzade, who, with the help of the Turkish expeditionary corps, became the first president of puppet Azerbaijan at the turn of the 20th century and is revered by some Azerbaijanis as "the founder of the Azerbaijani state." In such a situation, it is quite understandable why Kurd Aliyev was afraid to go to the end and resolve the Karabakh issue finally, and invited our peacekeepers. The strengthening of Turkish influence will undoubtedly end with the displacement of Aliyev, the further the more severe the scenario can be implemented by the Turks, I remind the Turks at one time attempted to assassinate his father Heydar Aliyev, and now they have a very strong support in the army and in the special services, whose officers were trained and trained in Turkey.

    Pay attention, Turkey has become very close to Great Britain, about the latter I advise you to listen to Khazin and his analysis, although he does not point his finger at the sky. And here is an important nuance, behind the Armenian nationalism, in particular, for example, Dashnaktsutyun, were and are the British special services. It was the British who formalized and used Armenian nationalism in the fight against Turkey in the First World War, a former ally of Germany, exchanges of blows and undermining of their opponents took place. Let me remind you that the German General Staff carried out a brilliant operation against us, now we would call it a "color revolution", as they say "everything new, well forgotten old", by the hands of the Bolsheviks destroying the state of their main enemy in Europe, right up to the execution of the head of this state with its members families. In turn, the British, playing the card of Armenian nationalism, turned the situation so that the Armenian officer corps and the Armenian soldiers of the Turkish army embarked on the path of treason. What this resulted in, many probably know, the Armenian nationalist formations in the ranks of which there were professional military men, Armenians, former officers and servicemen of the Turkish army, walked with fire and sword through the rear of Turkey, burned dozens of Turkish villages and cities, to understand the scale, look at the Armenian photographs of those times - they literally built pyramids from the severed and severed heads of the civilian population, meaning the Turks. I think it’s not worth explaining what it is for a country that is fighting from the last forces of the country to receive such a gift, but in the rear of the Turks a well-formed, trained, well-armed Armenian army, led by former regular officers of the Turkish army, and not some bandit formations of Armenian peasants began to operate ... As a result, Turkey was forced to remove numerous units from the front of the First World War and send them to the rear to fight the Armenians in their rear, thereby Britain and France gained an advantage and saved thousands of lives of their soldiers, and later achieved victory over Germany and Turkey. The Armenians, of course, received a response from the Turks, but England and France, well, the entire "enlightened Western world" in gratitude accepted large diasporas of Armenians forced to hide and flee from Turkey, and recognized the Armenian genocide, which the latter often ride on.

    Why such a long excursion into history? Today's Azerbaijan is the patrimony of British Petroleum, Azerbaijani top officials have long kept all the most valuable in Great Britain. It is alleged that the Aliyevs' personal crypt is located in Great Britain, and the bodies of Heydar Aliyev and his wife, father and mother of the current president of Azerbaijan have been prudently transported there long ago. We recall that Turkey is getting closer to Great Britain, and then another moment - the President of Armenia, albeit playing the role of a wedding general, has long been accused of cooperation with the British special services, lived there for a long time, later was the Ambassador of Armenia, was held at court, etc. ... Let me remind you that the Armenian nationalists are oriented primarily towards the West, especially since he was behind their design, it seems like they are now diving with Pashinyan, but this does not make it easier for us. The pro-Russian forces led by former President Kocharian, the so-called The Karabakh clan was utterly compromised by Serzh Sargsyan, who by the way gave the first impetus to Armenia in its movement to the West.

    And now let's return to Pashinyan's accusations of betrayal and accusers, what do we see, whom do we see? There are nationalists with ears sticking out behind their backs of the same West, and first of all, if we are talking about nationalists, Great Britain ... What conclusion suggests itself? That's right, Pashinyan is a small-horned and cloven-hoofed scapegoat, and rightly so, his task was to surrender Karabakh, and through this weakening of the Karabakh clan, compromise and withdrawal of Russia from the region, because the old woman has long stretched her arms here and has already settled down on the Caspian coast.

    So the true traitors, if we consider the return of Karabakh to Azerbaijan and the turn of Armenia to the West, are those who will come after Pashinyan, he is just a bargaining chip, and by sacrificing this scapegoat, the road was cleared for them. I'm afraid that even this is too simple a combination, but the fact that in fact is even more sophisticated, since the old woman was different and famous for her multi-moves.
    1. Bakinec
      Bakinec 8 March 2021 14: 07
      -1
      Aliyev's rating has always been high. And after the victory over Armenia, it skyrocketed. In this victory, the competent foreign policy moves of Aliyev played the main role. The people know it. Therefore, no one in Azerbaijan listens to different tales of the opposition about Aliyev today. The main thing is that he is the leader of the republic during the reign of which Azerbaijan won the war. And the rest is like the fact that he is a Kurd, they say that a coup is about to take place, they say that "insidious" Erdogan has arrested the entire genarity of Azerbaijan, and so on. This is a weak Armenian bunch towards Azerbaijan in a vain attempt to destabilize the political situation.
  26. Azimuth
    Azimuth 8 March 2021 18: 44
    -1
    Quote: Bakinec
    Aliyev's rating has always been high.
    It's funny even to comment ... Well, okay.
    We are familiar with this story about ratings no worse than yours there. Moreover, our supporters at least know how to count, and if I am not mistaken in your Bantustan, not even in Turkmenistan or Tajikistan, more than 100% of voters voted for your spout laughing

    Quote: Bakinec
    And after the victory over Armenia, it skyrocketed.
    What kind of victory are we talking about? Your army has shown a lot and there is much to be proud of for your army, no less than what to work on now. But the most important thing is YOUR ARMY WON IN BATTLES, but did not win in the war ... I will explain to you and ours:

    1. The war between Armenia and Azerbaijan began over Karabakh.

    2. As a result of the defeat in the war of the 90s, Azerbaijan lost several regions around Karabakh.
    The Armenians occupied these areas as a buffer zone in order to ensure the security of the settlements of Karabakh, this was due to the fact that during the hostilities your battalions of the Popular Front, and later the army, day and night, as long as there was enough range, from MLRS "Grad" Stepanakert. If you don't know, then shooting with MLRS at populated areas is a war crime.

    3. During the negotiations after the war, the Armenian side proposed to your current spouse, Ilgam Aliyev, and before that to his daddy Heydar Aliyev, to return the held areas around Karabakh on the condition of providing Karabakh with communication with Armenia through a corridor through Lachin. Also one of the options it was envisaged to enter our, Russian, contingent of peacekeeping forces along the borders of Karabakh.

    Both the daddy and the little nose boy refused these offers. Of course, this would mean political death for them, and hence the loss of such a delicious oil pie, which they have been successfully sawing for decades as a family contract. At the same time, having thrown most of your population to us for maintenance, do not mind, the transfers of your fellow countrymen working for us in some periods ensured the existence of up to 70% of your population.

    4. During the hostilities in 2020, they passed under the control of Azerbaijan earlier Armenian-held areas around Karabakh, Karabakh received communication with Armenia along the corridor through Lachin, our peacekeeping contingent was introduced to Karabakh, deployed along the borders of Karabakh and ensuring the separation of the parties and the safety of the Armenian population. Armenia withdrew its troops, the security of Karabakh is also ensured by its own armed forces.

    Quote: Bakinec
    ... In this victory, the competent foreign policy moves of Aliyev played the main role. The people know this.
    ... The main thing is that he is the leader of the republic during the reign of which Azerbaijan won the war.
    Look at item 1, the war began over Karabakh - does Azerbaijan control after the war unleashed by Aliyev in order to distract its population and retain its throne, is Karabakh returned?
    NO.

    Aliyev at the cost of multibillion-dollar costs, and there he pinched off his fat%, and at the cost of thousands of lives of both your soldiers and your civilians, he regained control over the regions around Karabakh, which have already been given to you. Serzh Sargsyan gave them to you, without billions for weapons, without thousands of dead and even more crippled and disabled people ... But then your tsar was confidently sitting on his throne, and therefore did not soar, the more the topic of Karabakh was beneficial to him and neither to what were these lands, in the restoration of the infrastructure of which billions must now be invested, but billions are easier to steal.

    Are you wondering how much just one airline owned by your president's daughter costs? And where did this money come from, in a belligerent country, and as your authorities claim with almost a million refugees?

    Quote: Bakinec
    And the rest is like saying that he is a Kurd, they say that a coup is about to take place, they say that "insidious" Erdogan has arrested the entire genarity of Azerbaijan, and so on. This is a weak Armenian bunch towards Azerbaijan in a vain attempt to destabilize the political situation.
    You most likely not only did not fight, but did not serve in the army, well, only if not as a clerk at the headquarters in your Baku. I can imagine what your officers and soldiers, your veterans and the wounded who have lost their legs, arms, eyes, who have lost their comrades, are already feeling or are beginning to feel.
    As once, in one war in the Caucasus, a character named Yeltsin stole victory from us, sacrificed us for his elections and his throne, so it happened with you, as a coward, your commander-in-chief, ALIYEV, STEALED FROM YOUR ARMY AND PEOPLE IN VICTORY.
    Judging by the number of Armenians who returned to Karabakh as soon as our peacekeepers were brought there, the Armenian civilian population almost completely left it. There were NO obstacles for your army to take control of your entire so-called. "internationally recognized territory" under control. And then, if you return the Armenian population back, then return it under your jurisdiction and control.
    Do you seriously think that your spout, Aliyev, stopped out of some humanistic motives? He just chickened out and VVP, he was given a clear signal from the West by imposing sanctions against him and his little wife in one of, if I’m not mistaken, the Scandinavian countries, he also chickened out the growing influence of the Turks.
    Aliyev, having received the signals, understood perfectly well that he would lose everything stolen by such hard work by his dad and him, plus he would lose power.
    That is, the prospect was simple, all the capitals were being squeezed out by Western countries and not only, Azerbaijan would have fought for the return of these capitals for years, and Aliyev, if he remained alive, then on bunks and not for 10 years, but as if not for life, and then his wife , and daughters, and other relatives, too, terms would have gotten even less.

    So there is no victory, Aliyev stole it from your army and sooner or later he will most likely have to answer for this in the first place.

    You apparently have not yet moved away from the propaganda battles with your opponents, the Armenians on the Internet, probably for more than one day you sat bleeding in the trench, I apologize, sweating at the computer.

    Contrary to what you wrote, Aliyev is now sitting in a hot frying pan, your army, and after it, the majority of the population is gradually sobering up, because I am not an analyst and your bantustans are not particularly interested in me, everything that I write is said and written by your experts, our experts, Western experts and finally the Turkish say the same thing. In the latter case, it is generally interesting, because Aliyev, having turned on the back one out of fear, together with his army, by the way, betrayed the Turks too. Dmayu and Erdogan and the top officials in Turkey were, to put it mildly, not enthusiastic about his actions.

    So there was no victory. You could have it, but it did not happen. The war only became a lesson both for you and for the Armenians, the question of who drew what conclusions. According to your words, I see that you have not drawn any conclusions.

    And finally, the most unpleasant thing. The Armenians turned out to be more cunning, because they did not bring in a large number of units and reinforcements from Armenia to Karabakh, although this is imputed to Pashinyan as almost a betrayal, but in fact it is now playing into the hands of the Armenians. Their command selectively introduced some kind of complexes, for example, two or three Tor air defense systems, electronic warfare systems, etc., some volunteer units entered, but the lion's share of the Armenian Armed Forces themselves, most of their units, including framed ones, remained in Armenia, and they were not defeated, did not lose their potential.
    A simple example, your sources and fellow countrymen wrote that a certain number of tanks in Armenia on its territory, but a greater number in the gray zone, in Karabakh, and thus it violates the restrictions on conventional weapons in Europe. Well, let's say your army destroyed all the tanks in Karabakh, although this is not the case, but the tanks of the Armenian Armed Forces were as they were, and there are more than one hundred of them. The same story with the OTRK, your army destroyed a couple of Elbrus, that is, even these and not all of them, but all the rest, plus the more modern Iskander-E, as they were and are in the Armed Forces of Armenia. Etc.

    So there is no victory, especially your leadership, there is nothing to retell about some kind of wisdom in foreign policy and other rubbish from your zomboyaschik, your leadership has lost and betrayed. Operate with facts, not speech diarrhea ... from the mouth of Aliyev and his other hangers-on.

    But your army really won a brilliant victory in the battles, a lot was interesting, we learned a lot while watching the hostilities. But there is no victory, Aliyev stole it from your army, and from you too, they just haven’t woken up from propaganda yet. Karabakh is not yours, otherwise the roads would not have been built bypassing the same Shushi costing well over a hundred million dollars, you did not return Karabakh because of which the war began, and therefore you did not win it, and your spout understands this perfectly well, since invests millions in bypass roads and airports.
    I think your army will put an end to the rule of Aliyev.
    1. Bakinec
      Bakinec 9 March 2021 08: 38
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      I didn’t read what you wrote in full (you don’t have to write so much - it tires you. After all, you are an analyst so that your comments are read to the last line with rapture). But I noticed your opinion "ALIYEV, STEAL FROM YOUR ARMY AND PEOPLE I WILL VICTORY."
      This is sheer nonsense. In September, no one in Azerbaijan even dreamed that in 3 months our flag would be over the city of Shusha and Armenia would surrender. All this happened thanks to Aliyev's foreign policy moves. The fact that we did not wax in Khankendi (stepanokert), then no one would have allowed us (including Russia). After all, the majority of the population there have been Armenians since Soviet times. If we entered Khankendi, accusations of genocide would begin, there could even be sanctions. Therefore, this is enough for us. After the signing of the agreement, Lachin, Kalbajar, Aghdam were released without a single shot, no casualties. Do you know how much time and victims we could spend in the Kalbajar mountains in winter? And other parts of Khankendi will eventually leave for us. Because according to the agreement, all refugees must return. After the Azerbaijanis (about 400 thousand) return to the liberated territories, we will return the refugees to the territory under the control of the peacekeepers. And this is more than 100 thousand Azerbaijanis in these regions alone. How many Armenians are there? According to the peacekeepers, about 50 thousand. And how many Armenians do you think will remain in Karabakh out of 50 thousand if there are more than 500 thousand Azerbaijanis around, think for yourself.
      Despite all the desires of the Armenians, there will be stability in Azerbaijan. Especially after the victory. I will write again: "And the rest is like saying that he is a Kurd, they say that there will be a coup d'etat just about, they say that" insidious "Erdogan arrested the entire genarity of Azerbaijan, that Aliyev stole a victory, etc. this is a weak Armenian bunch towards Azerbaijan in a vain attempt destabilize the political situation. "
      You have sucked information about Azerbaijan from Armenian and pro-Armenian media resources.
  27. Azimuth
    Azimuth 8 March 2021 18: 57
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    Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
    The change was agreed and four thousand were put so that no one would have guessed. Well, aren't you a fool madam?
    Not stupid. There, blood was beneficial to both sides.
  28. abdullaevfamil
    abdullaevfamil 8 March 2021 23: 35
    0
    what the deputy of the parliament of the ra is not logical. any war is fraught with the death of many soldiers. In such a situation, an agreement between the leaders of the parties will lead to their death. the way out of the critical situation for the Armenians will be very difficult, for this, the Armenians must first open the borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan. after opening the border between neighbors, the Russian soldier has nothing to do there.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 9 March 2021 09: 07
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      Open your borders to those who just attacked you? That is, surrender? It is logical ...))
  29. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 9 March 2021 09: 06
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    Considering that their current president is a client of the English elite, the poor thing will soon be poisoned by stale sausage. Well, or she will be accidentally moved a couple of times. British intelligence hounded and killed much tougher enemies than a deputy from a tiny page.
  30. Azimuth
    Azimuth 9 March 2021 12: 26
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    [quote = Bakinec] I didn’t read what you wrote completely (you don’t have to write so much - it tires you. After all, you are an analyst, so that your comments are read to the last line with rapture)

    You have sucked information about Azerbaijan from Armenian and pro-Armenian media resources. [/ Quote]

    I do not pretend and even had no fantasies to consider myself any analyst. The information was taken primarily from your and Turkish sources, and from communication with your fellow countrymen.

    [quote = Bakinec] If we entered Khankendi, accusations of genocide would begin, there could even be sanctions. Therefore, this is enough for us. [/ Quote]

    All your more or less sober compatriots are talking about this, that Aliyev was afraid of personal sanctions, especially since the story of laundromats and murders of journalists in Europe has just calmed down.
    Reread what you have written yourself. What does it look like?
    We also have Chechens living and living in Grozny, but sovereignty and constitutional order have been restored there, although they also threatened us with sanctions and introduced them. What's next? The security, sovereignty and independence of my country are above all for me, but for you, your president?
    What is the meaning of sovereignty that you, or rather your president and commander-in-chief are afraid of, and in general are not capable of realizing? Well, we would have introduced personal sanctions against Aliyev and his family members, for example, what is the problem? What, his fate is personal, his accounts and capital abroad are higher than the interests and sovereignty of the state? Above the lives of those 3000 or 4000 of your dead, tens of thousands of cripples, invalids and orphans? ...
    Would impose sanctions against Azerbaijan in general and obviously not the UN, but a couple of countries, and then what? That BP would cut production? Would your traders be expelled from the Russian Federation? Or would Turkey and Europe refuse your gas?
    Moreover, you acted within the internationally recognized borders, and with your fear you questioned them.
    There were NO threats to Azerbaijan here, and they pressed lightly and not on Azerbaijan, but on your president, and he immediately dived into the bushes saving his capital, draining the war and real victory, betraying the army, and you personally, and your fellow citizens ...

    [/ quote = Bakinec] After signing the agreement, Lachin, Kalbajar, Agdam were released without a single shot, no casualties. [/ quote]

    So the Armenians were ready to give them to you WITHOUT A SINGLE SHOT back in the days of Kocharyan and Sargsyan, in exchange for the Lachin corridor, which you now gave them and our Russian peacekeepers, who are also there now.

    I’m probably a slow-witted, but I’m asking again, why did you put 3000-4000 of your people in then and tens of thousands of cripples, invalids and orphans produced at your place? What is there such a brilliant wisdom of your nosy Pilot? ... I understand everything about the Armenian Soros monkey, tell about yours and his brilliant foreign policy strategy.

    PS I found an Armenian source especially for you, go to www.nkrmil.am to see the latest photo reports, and only then write an answer and tell or more accurately retell fairy tales.
    1. Bakinec
      Bakinec 9 March 2021 14: 16
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      Thanks to these about 3000 dead soldiers, we liberated 75% of the occupied territories. So they didn't die in vain. If they fought further, there would be much more victims. During the first Karabakh war, we lost 15000 people.
      And the fact that someone was ready to return Kalbajar to us, and even more so Lachin, is nonsense. It is these areas that the Armenians would never return to us, because through these areas there are direct communications with Armenia and there are large reserves of gold and water. And these 30-year-old negotiations, as a result of which they did not advance even a millimeter, prove that the Armenians wanted to keep the status quo forever. The fact that now Armenian politicians say that we would return it all the same does not mean anything.
      Something offensive words addressed to our president are very similar to those of Armenian users. Although you introduce yourself as a neutral person, the more I discuss with you, the brighter the Armenian physiognomy is revealed.
      I write that you have information about us only from Armenian medical resources, you deny, and at the end you send me to an Armenian resource
      1. Azimuth
        Azimuth 9 March 2021 16: 14
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        On the resource where you were sent fresh photos of awards and oaths of the NKR Army servicemen are posted. I stumbled across the Telegram channel, looked convinced of some of my assumptions and remembered about you.

        Past. Not an Armenian, I have never been to Armenia, I have no sympathy for them.

        There is no point in continuing the conversation, either you have fanfare in your ears, or you yourself understand everything perfectly, but are not ready to talk about it yet. As I wrote above, this is familiar to me and I experienced something similar, I can understand.

        Again. I am delighted with how they fought, a brilliant operation, they showed and proved that you can trade more than one apricot. The final victory would certainly be yours, but it did not work out with the commander-in-chief, this very victory was stolen from you, from your fighters, from your people.

        I think, after all, 30 years of waiting and several months since the end of hostilities, plus your pro-government media trumpeting about the genius of the commander and the great ruler, plus those ruins in which you found all the liberated territories and a load of thoughts on what and how to do with it. In short, neither you nor some of your compatriots are simply not yet ready to comprehend everything and to any kind of conversation. Perhaps later, in a year or a year and a half, we will talk and understand each other.

        Good luck.
        1. Bakinec
          Bakinec 9 March 2021 17: 38
          -1
          Azerbaijan won, forced Armenia to sign an act of surrender, according to the agreement under which the President of Russia was liberated without a single shot or casualties in such strategic regions as Kalbajar, Lachin, Aghdam. Under the same agreement, more than 500 thousand Azerbaijanis will return to Karabakh and the surrounding areas (even more if we calculate the 30-year positive demography in Azerbaijan). And this is definitely a VICTORY. Aliyev played the main role in this victory (how can he steal a victory if, on his order, a military operation with a victorious end began).
          You may not believe it and come up with various conspiratorial Armenian tales about a Kurd who is about to be overthrown (I wonder in which country it is after the victory in the Patriotic War, the people overthrow the victorious government). But it does not change anything. And don't worry about the ruins, we will restore these territories in the shortest possible time.
          The last paragraph killed me. You want to say that we in Azerbaijan do not understand what is happening in Azerbaijan, and you who are familiar with Azerbaijan only from Armenian sources (your statement is exactly repeated by Armenian media resources) understand better than us.
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          2. Azimuth
            Azimuth 9 March 2021 19: 10
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            As you like, you can consider it a victory that you do not control your own territory, let alone the territory of the enemy, you can call an agreement by which the Armenian troops left, and did not lay down their arms and surrender, surrender.
            By the way, in the latter case, 10-12 thousand prisoners would just clear the ruins of houses that they left behind, and at the same time they would give you from Yerevan all the maps of minefields and mining schemes at a run. Etc.

            Your president is not just a graduate, but also a teacher of MGIMO, you and I are forgiven for not knowing, but he knows what victory in a war and surrender of the enemy is in accordance with international traditions and law. Let's leave on his conscience his stories of victory and surrender.

            He shared his opinion and vision, not expert, human, you shared yours, they are different with us, who is right or closer to the truth will show further events.
  31. ecolog
    ecolog 11 March 2021 22: 09
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    The Armenians were let down by their boKhatovektornost, ask Svidomo, they are aware of how it works. You cannot lie under the Americans and seriously expect that the Russian Ivan will fight for them with the Azeris for territories that they themselves do not dare to recognize as their own.
  32. Armen Sologyan
    Armen Sologyan 13 March 2021 13: 14
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    Instead of drawing conclusions, both the opposition and the representatives of the legitimate government are holding rallies and scandals in Armenia, and a positive conclusion would be the unification of all Armenians in the face of the impending new war for the rejection of Artsakh, the expulsion of all Armenians from there and an attack on Armenia itself from the outside. Turkey and Azerbaijan. Once again, in the history of Armenia, they do not draw the right conclusions, but they bicker among themselves for the joy of the enemy !!!