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Information about the interception of Iskander-E by the Azerbaijani Barak-8ER air defense system deserves a detailed analysis. Is the pathos of the Western media justified?

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Despite the absence of any compelling confirmation from the defense department and the command of the Azerbaijani Air Force (whether it is a chronologically verified chain of "detection - linking the route - capture for precise auto-tracking and destruction", recorded by the system for documenting information about the combat mode of operation of the multifunctional targeting / guidance radar EL / M-2248, or a demonstration of the elements of the 9M723-1E OTBR corps with corresponding damage from the high-explosive fragmentation "equipment" of the Barak-8ER missile defense system), as well as a complete refutation by the head of the republic Ilham Aliyev, information about the allegedly successful interception of the operational-tactical ballistic missile 9M723-1E "Iskander-E" of the Armenian Armed Forces through the Israeli Air Defense Forces of Azerbaijan, the Israeli long-range air defense system "Barak-8ER", continues to be actively discussed by both Azerbaijani and Western, as well as some domestic media.


The repost of technically incompetent "stuffing" by Western media about the low effectiveness of Russian high-precision aerospace attack weapons never ceases to amaze the knowledgeable audience of domestic military analytical portals


To our great regret, the very authoritative military-technical portal avia.pro was no exception, the team of which hastened to question the strike potential of the Iskander-E tactical missile system, based on only one unsubstantiated statement of an anonymous Azerbaijani high-ranking official, the text of which was published by the British news the Internet portal "Middle East Eye" a few days earlier.

Meanwhile, making a "blind" repost of this news resource "Middle East Eye", the authors of avia.pro did not even bother to compare the principles of operation of control systems, and, consequently, the flight performance parameters of the operational-tactical BR 9M723-1E "Iskander-E "And SAM-interceptor" Barak-8ER ".

So, the second (combat) interceptor stages of anti-aircraft missiles "Barak-8ER" have both the planes of the aerodynamic rudders and the gas-jet units of the thrust vector deflection system, located in the nozzle channels of the main solid propellant rocket motors and represented by cross-shaped heat-resistant planes, controlled by high-speed servos.

Undoubtedly, the presence of OVT gas-jet systems provides the Barak-8ER missiles with the ability to maneuver with the implementation of overloads in the range of 50-60G, and therefore, intercept highly maneuverable objects carrying out anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads of 20-25 units.

Nevertheless, the time period required for a sufficient effect of the force of the deflected thrust vector (passing through the center of mass of the Barak-8ER missile) on the spatial position of the missile defense system (with the required change in its course direction and bringing the available overloads to 50-60G), as a rule , is 0,1–0,2 s.

This indicator is several times longer than the period of implementation of transverse "throws" on the trajectory (with the implementation of a similar range of overloads during the first 0,04–0,07 from the moment of the first transverse thrust impulses of the DPU) by modern anti-aircraft guided missiles with gas-dynamic "belts" of transverse control engines 9M96E / DM (complex S-350 "Vityaz" and KZRK "Redut"), MIM-104A PAC-3MSE ("Patriot PAC-3MSE"), as well as "Aster-30" complexes PAAMS / SAMP-T.

The following conclusion suggests itself: the capabilities of the gas-jet systems of thrust vector deviation do not provide the Barak-8ER missiles with those flight and technical qualities that would guarantee a 100% probability of destruction of the 9M723-1E Iskander-E operational-tactical ballistic missiles.

After all, it is well known that the presence of developed tail aerodynamic rudders of a large area, as well as tail gas-dynamic blocks for flight trajectory correction / pitch control (represented by 4 two-nozzle modules powered by 4 in-vessel gas generators) allow ballistic modifications of Iskander-E to carry out rather energetic anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads from 20 to 30G both on the cruise and on the terminal sections of the quasi-ballistic flight paths.

Therefore, any unconfirmed "stuffing" by the British press, referring to unverified Azerbaijani sources, about the inability of the Iskander-E OTBR to overcome the layered anti-missile "umbrellas" erected by modern Israeli or Western air defense and missile defense systems, can be interpreted only as regular futile attempts of the US, Western European and Israeli defense industry complex to partially squeeze the unique brainchild of the Kolomna Mashinostroeniya Design Bureau in the firmly occupied niche of high-precision weapons in the global arms market to promote operational-tactical missile systems of the ATAMS, Deep Strike families (developed as part of the ambitious LRPF program), as well as LORA from the Israeli aerospace concern Israel Aerospace Industries.
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    1. Profiler
      Profiler 10 March 2021 04: 38
      +24
      Quote: Emil Azeri
      Sorry, but the technical verbal srach Damantsev, with attempts to prove that Barak8ER is never capable of knocking down Iskander, that's straight No, that's all - just laughter.

      Yes, but for now it would not hurt to find out thoroughly :

      Quote: The Life of Klim Samgin by Maxim Gorky
      “Yes - was there a boy, maybe there was no boy?” request »


      Before discussing the eternal Hamletovsky:

      "BИwhether or notИth ... "
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 10 March 2021 05: 41
      0
      Quote: Emil Azeri
      (Sorry, but the technical verbal srach Damantsev, with attempts to prove that Barak8ER is never capable of knocking down Iskander, that's straight No and that's all - just laughter.)

      Indeed, the probability may be low, but not zero. Stupidly could be lucky!
      1. Profiler
        Profiler 10 March 2021 06: 24
        +43
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Stupidly could be lucky!

        Could be lucky, no one argues, but in caseif Iskander were launched yes ...
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 10 March 2021 06: 32
          +14
          Quote: Profiler
          if Iskander were launched

          Even so?! And, well then, in general, you can beat a hundred pieces, why regret it. laughing
          1. Profiler
            Profiler 10 March 2021 06: 43
            +37
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Even so?! And, well then, in general, you can beat a hundred pieces, why regret it.

            That is exactly the case.

            At the beginning, Armenian Prime Minister Pashinyan said about the ineffectiveness of the Iskander E OTRK, now the baton to discredit the capabilities of this complex, Azerbaijani, Turkish, Western and Ukrainian resources (where without these) have taken over from him.

            And this is despite the official statements of the Armenian Defense Ministry that the Iskander OTRK was not used during the Karabakh conflict.

            It is sad that the Military Review joined this campaign of discrediting our weapons, placing deliberately false and provocative information circulating on the Internet on dubious resources.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 10 March 2021 09: 40
              +37
              An interesting opinion about the "respected resource avia pro .." This trash heap and fakecomet is still the same ...
              1. syndicalist
                syndicalist 10 March 2021 18: 41
                +1
                And who is not a fakecomet in a war?
            2. ab111
              ab111 11 March 2021 16: 17
              +2
              the Military Review joined this campaign of discrediting our weapons, placing deliberately false and provocative information circulating on the Internet on dubious resources.


              I agree with you.
              VO is increasingly turning into a simple, uncontrolled LJ. No, I'm not against freedom of speech, but I would like to see at least expert reviews of articles.
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 11 March 2021 19: 01
                +1
                But Damantsev wrote this, and here they don't like this author.
              2. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 14 March 2021 10: 38
                -1
                Quote: ab111
                VO is increasingly turning into a simple, uncontrolled LJ.

                I have long spat when Shpakovsky's opuses appear on VO, which have nothing to do with VO. But ... people hawala, and even with delight.
            3. Anar
              Anar 12 March 2021 14: 50
              +1
              Why is the name of Azerbaijan or Aliyev exaggerated here? He clearly said that we did not record the use of Iskander. There is also a video of his words. Why exaggerate his name in the opposite if he said everything clearly.
        2. kotdavin4i
          kotdavin4i 10 March 2021 07: 51
          -29%
          Good day everyone! There was at least one video of Iskenders launched, and the one exhibited by the Armenian servicemen themselves.
          https://news.ru/cis/v-seti-poyavilos-video-strelby-armyanskih-raket-postavlennyh-iz-rf/
          here is the link.
          further, if there was a launch - and these missiles did not cause damage - then either they were intercepted or fell "in the field" which also speaks of the "incomplete compliance" with the fulfillment of the assigned tasks.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 10 March 2021 12: 09
            +21
            Quote: kotdavin4i
            Iskandars were launched at least one video is

            Only there is no video demonstrating the elements of the downed missile. I am sure that if they had shot them down, they would have cut their own orders from these fragments. And the Internet would be full of these videos and photographs, as after the missile that hit the MH17. I think that the statement of our General Staff about the absence of instrumental objective data on the control of the launch of these missiles has more compelling grounds than your statement.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 10 March 2021 16: 00
              +1
              I think that the statement of our General Staff about the absence of instrumental objective data on the control of the launch of these missiles has more compelling grounds than your statement.

              The General Staff even claimed that all the Iskander missiles were in place. wink
              1. Charik
                Charik 10 March 2021 16: 51
                -3
                audited?
            2. Charik
              Charik 10 March 2021 16: 50
              -4
              the cat did not say anything - he brought some facts that he himself saw somewhere
            3. ab111
              ab111 11 March 2021 16: 22
              +1
              I am sure if they were shot down, they would have cut orders from these fragments

              I think one should not rule out agreements between the RF Ministry of Defense and Azerbaijan on the prohibition of publications on this topic.
              1. FrankyStein
                FrankyStein 13 March 2021 19: 01
                +1
                They can agree as much as they want, onlookers and all sorts of bloggers looking for hype would have trumpeted and posted the facts on the network long ago. In order for no one to find them, they had to fall in impassable mountains.
          2. bayard
            bayard 10 March 2021 14: 18
            +5
            Quote: kotdavin4i
            further, if there was a launch - and these missiles did not cause damage - then either they were intercepted or fell "in the field" which also speaks of the "incomplete compliance" with the fulfillment of the assigned tasks.

            Hitting the target depends both on the correct target designation and on the competent introduction of the flight mission. Among the Sumerians, "Points" also flew where they hit, but this is from inability.
            If the missile was really shot down, then evidence would be presented - debris with traces of damage, materials of objective control. In the meantime, all these are bare words.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 10 March 2021 16: 07
              -2
              And here is that
              LORA from Israel Aerospace Industries
              on the bridge did not hit there is a very documentary confirmation. I myself reviewed it several times. bully
              1. ironic
                ironic 10 March 2021 22: 07
                +2
                I got it, I watched it too. I got into the dipazan of the declared accuracy of a 10m equilateral triangle. Therefore, I cut off the side of the bridge within the same accuracy. wink
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 10 March 2021 22: 29
                  +1
                  Yes, and the car drove over the bridge after being hit. wink
                  https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/5523294.html
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 11 March 2021 20: 20
                    +2
                    The rocket did not disable the bridge, that's right.
                    She struck in the middle of the bridge (lengthwise)
                    pedestrian part from the edge and exploded
                    below under the bridge without damaging the pillars.
                    There is a hit, no incapacitation.
                  2. ironic
                    ironic 13 March 2021 02: 08
                    -2
                    Who drove, where did they go ... what is the whole LJ to pertract now? Yes, the bridge was only damaged, not destroyed, one side, most likely, remained a carriageway. So what? This is not a very suitable ammunition for confident destruction by them
                    bridge. This requires UB or CD.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 13 March 2021 09: 32
                      +1
                      Who drove, where did they go ... what is the whole LJ to pertract now?

                      Why not? We want to figure out what it was? wink
                      Yes, the bridge was only damaged, not destroyed

                      Yes, the pedestrian part on one side. The carriageway is intact. hi
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 14 March 2021 18: 35
                        -1
                        And passing from one side no longer driving, but once again, the ammunition for destroying the bridge was not picked up, because you need to throw it into the supporting pile, and for this, an accuracy of 10m with a head of 440kg is not enough. You need either more precision or a big head.
          3. lBEARl
            lBEARl 10 March 2021 15: 47
            +2
            And when were these launches? I have come across an assertion on the Internet that these are training launches before the conflict (either 2015, or 2016). Nothing is clear from the speech of the servicemen. (The same sources asserted that the provided recording was just boasting, obscenities and promises to “pull our eyes on the bottom”.
          4. Charik
            Charik 10 March 2021 16: 45
            -9
            you were minded because you doubted the super-analogue of a missile that could not be shot down - and not for something - the RF Ministry of Defense said there were no launches - the Armenians showed launches (xs) what-the Azerbaijanis said-shot down (xs) something - cool dudes on the site rage
        3. slavinsk
          slavinsk 10 March 2021 21: 32
          -9
          You can't think of anything dumber. Since it did not reach its goal, it means they did not launch it, such an answer can be heard from a naive fool. From the side of the enemy, the most modern weapons were used and there was nothing to answer. Apparently the missiles, so-so, they got.
      2. businessv
        businessv 11 March 2021 14: 05
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Indeed, the probability may be low, but not zero. Stupidly could be lucky!

        Of course, it could have been lucky, but this does not change the question of where the remnants of the downed rocket are? smile
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 11 March 2021 19: 15
          +3
          Quote: businessv
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Indeed, the probability may be low, but not zero. Stupidly could be lucky!

          Of course, it could have been lucky, but this does not change the question of where the remnants of the downed rocket are? smile

          Especially if it exploded by only 10%.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 10 March 2021 05: 42
      +21
      Calm down, huh? Everyone has already admitted that no one started them. This bragging is essentially meaningless and neither is the topic.
      1. Profiler
        Profiler 10 March 2021 06: 20
        +7
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Calm down, huh? Everyone has already admitted that no one started them. This bragging is essentially meaningless and neither is the topic.

        Nevertheless, the topic placed in the "Analytics" section, where, in essence, we are offered to discuss (analyze?) - what did not exist, and what is fake, Azerbaijani, Turkish and Western disinformation.

        MELI, EMELYA IS YOUR WEEK ("talk as much as you want and what you want, it's all one thing - no one will take it seriously")
      2. businessv
        businessv 12 March 2021 17: 40
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        This bragging is essentially meaningless and neither is the topic.
        You, however, also posted a post! So there is a sense. wink
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 12 March 2021 18: 09
          -2
          I answered the post. On the very specific words of a specific person.
  2. Runway
    Runway 10 March 2021 04: 42
    +12
    From the fourth line I guessed the author. laughing
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 10 March 2021 05: 28
      +18
      Unfortunately, the very authoritative military-technical portal avia.pro was no exception.
      fool crying Author, have you been on their website?
      If for the author there is no one in the world more authoritative than maydanutyh, then .... hi hello to parents ..
      Sino-Ukrainian method of analytics
      After analyzing the editorial staff of the editorial board, it becomes clear why the themes and style of presentation of articles have remained "a la plumber". Ivan Beresnev, having received his education in Ukraine, only learned to throw information mud at Russia. Open the main page of the site and find at least one article that is positive for Russia!

      Perhaps, these conclusions would not make sense if the content of the site was simply oppositional. But the problem is that the editors of the Internet resource, positioning itself as "aviation portal No. 1", have sunk to the extent of posting outright fakes in relation to the military-technical component of the Russian armed forces!
    2. Koval Sergey
      Koval Sergey 10 March 2021 06: 13
      +23
      Quote: WFP
      From the fourth line I guessed the author

      The author is guessed from the title
    3. Skay
      Skay 10 March 2021 09: 04
      +4
      From the fourth line I guessed the author.

      I guessed the author on the "Analytics" tab, but went to check. wink
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 March 2021 05: 07
    +6
    Unfortunately, the very authoritative military-technical portal avia.pro was no exception.
    fool If for the author there is no one in the world more authoritative than maydanuty, then ... hi hello parents ..
    The portal "Avia.Pro" (https://avia.pro), which regularly publishes outright stuffing and falsified data, stands apart from all of them. With the air of experts, the figures of this portal talk about the past and present of the aviation industry, make forecasts for its development and clog the news agenda with their opuses. Having gained temporary success on the Internet, the "experts" of "Avia.Pro" decided to compete with global news resources and diluted boring technical articles with research on political topics and a review of the armed conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. The result was extremely deplorable.
    Here are just a few news headlines on Avia.Pro during 2019 and 2020:
    Ka-52 set up a chase for an American drone in Syria.
    An Israeli fighter jet was hit by a Syrian air defense missile system "Buk".
    The "Resonance" radar station is being mounted in Egypt against the Israeli F-35s.
    Russian soldiers have captured American mercenaries.
    All of this news contains fascinating stories about events that never actually happened.
    "The site avia.pro broadcasts from the Netherlands, brazenly hiding behind the names" Russian "and" federal "
  4. region58
    region58 10 March 2021 05: 52
    +13
    Why write a refutation for any delirium? All the more so with avia.pro - it’s still a trash heap. By the way, is this not the missile that exploded by 10%? Or maybe they shot down 10% ...
    1. Profiler
      Profiler 10 March 2021 06: 22
      +6
      Quote: region58
      is it not the missile that exploded 10%? Or maybe they shot down 10% ...

      No, not that one No. This is the "Iskander" that is 10% undersized yes
  5. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 10 March 2021 06: 24
    +30
    Despite the absence of news, as such, such as loading, sight and shot, recorded in the memory of anyone, or demonstration of used cartridges of the Mosin three-line rifle Caliber 7,62 of the Air Defense of Azerbaijan Armed Forces and the wreckage of the strategic bomber of the NKR Defense Army Boeing B-52 Stratofortress, as well as a complete refutation by the tractor driver Svarog Mammadov from the Agdash region of the Republic of Azerbaijan, information about the allegedly successful interception of the Dashnak aircraft by means of the 1891 model rifle inherited by Svarog Jafarovich from his great-grandfather continues to be actively discussed by both Turkish and Ukrainian, and some domestic planned ...
    The information is based on the anonymous statement of a regular visitor to a teahouse located on the outskirts of the city of Kars who tried a new smoking mixture that day.
    His statement never ceases to amaze both other guests of the Chaikhana and qualified specialists from the Chui Valley of the Zhambyl Region of Kazakhstan.
    Unfortunately, the story was published by the Absurdopedia, a very authoritative Internet resource among this public, to the prophetic pleasure of the patriotic consumers of the Crocodile ...
    1. Leon68
      Leon68 10 March 2021 12: 09
      +6
      Krasnodar, you have outdone yourself today and made my day. I applaud you! good
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 10 March 2021 12: 37
        +5
        There was no strength for the whole article drinks
        1. ironic
          ironic 10 March 2021 22: 13
          +1
          But nevertheless, it was necessary to devote a couple of lines to the analysis of the maneuvers that Barak and Iskander never met, you would have done well. And in general, you need to be regularly signed as a popularizer of Damantsev's articles. good
    2. Serg4545
      Serg4545 10 March 2021 17: 47
      +2
      Beautiful!
      Write more!
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 March 2021 06: 32
    +6
    full refutation by the head of the republic Ilham Aliyev, information on the allegedly successful interception of the 9M723-1E Iskander-E operational-tactical ballistic missile
    If the head of Azerbaijan refuted this stuffing of foreign media, then what are they talking about then?
  7. Maximilian37
    Maximilian37 10 March 2021 06: 41
    +7
    Is AVIA.PRO an authoritative internet resource? And I, out of principle, do not go to it, after I read their news a la "speed-info" lol
  8. Pivot
    Pivot 10 March 2021 07: 11
    +3
    Damantsev guessed right from the first sentence, did not read further.
    1. Professor
      Professor 10 March 2021 07: 55
      +6
      Quote: Pivot
      Damantsev guessed right from the first sentence, did not read further.

      Slback. wink I determine by the title. But I don’t read either. hi
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 10 March 2021 09: 57
        +5
        But I don’t read either.

        But you must. After collecting all the abbreviations, we get a complete list of everything, including undeveloped systems. smile
        1. Professor
          Professor 10 March 2021 21: 39
          +4
          Quote: dzvero
          But I don’t read either.

          But you must. After collecting all the abbreviations, we get a complete list of everything, including undeveloped systems. smile

          Yes, I myself will tire anyone you want. For instance:
          8G03 - tank for draining fuel components SK BR 8A61, 8K11
          8G04 - a panel for checking the tightness of the compartments OTR 8A61, 8K11 as part of machines 8N15, 8N16
          8G05 - device for filling with compressed air OTR 8A61, 8K11 as part of 8N15, 8N16 machines
          8G06 - device for adjusting pressure reducing valves OTP 8A61, 8K11 as part of 8H15, 8H16 machines
          8G07 - refueling tank for machines 8T137, 8U218
          8G012 - SK 8P871 remote fueling control system
          8G012M1 - remote control system for refueling
          8G012MP - fueling remote control system
          8G013E1 - remote control system for auxiliary systems
          8G013EP - remote control system for auxiliary systems
          8G015 - system for remote control and monitoring of fueling SK MBR 8K71
          8G016 - filling station SK 8P863
          8G029 - railway hydrogen peroxide refueling unit SK 8P874
          8G029K - railway hydrogen peroxide refueling unit SK 17P32
          8G035 - high pressure hose
          8Г054 - launch preparation system for SC "Dolina"
          8G058 - remote control system for refueling ground-based SK MBR 8K81
          8G066 - remote control system for refueling SK MBR 8K64
          8G070 - remote control system for technological operations of the ground-based IC MBR 8K81
          8G070K-01 - remote control system for technological operations SK 8P882K
          8G070K-2 - automatic control system for technological operations SK 8P882K
          8G076K - 8G212K SK 8P882K remote control system
          8G0112M1 - remote control system for refueling
          8G0112MP - fueling remote control system
          8G0117 - railway oxidizer filling unit SK 17P32-1, 17P32-2, 17P32-3, 17P32-4, 17P32-6
          8G0118 - SK 8P871 oxidizer refueling tank
          8G0119 - railway unit for refueling the package of the 1st and 2nd stages of the RN SK 17P32-1, 17P32-2, 17P32-3, 17P32-4, 17P32-6
          8G0123 - stationary system for filling cryogenic components SK 17P32-1, 17P32-2, 17P32-3, 17P32-6
          8G0123K - stationary system for filling cryogenic components SK 17P32-4
          8G0124 - stationary system for refueling the package of the 1st and 2nd stages SK 8P871
          8G0124M3 - stationary fueling system of the 3rd stage of the LV SK 17P32-1, 17P32-2, 17P32-3, 17P32-4
          8G0124M3-6 - stationary refueling system of the 3rd stage of the LV SK 17P32-6
          8G0124P - stationary system for refueling the package of the 1st and 2nd stages of the LV SK 17P32-1, 17P32-2, 17P32-3, 17P32-4
          8G0124P-6 - stationary system for refueling the package of the 1st and 2nd stages of the LV SK 17P32-6
          8G0125 - stationary hydrogen peroxide filling system SK 17P32-1, 17P32-2, 17P32-3, 17P32-4
          8G0125-6 - stationary hydrogen peroxide filling system SK 17P32-6
          8G0126 - gas supply system SK 17P32-4, 17P32-6
          8G0126P - gas supply system SK 17P32-1, 17P32-2, 17P32-3
          8G1 - fuel tanker OTRK 9K72 ???
          8G5 - railway tank car
          8G11 - tank for storing hydrogen peroxide for BRDD 8A11, 8Zh38, BRSD 8K63
          1. ironic
            ironic 10 March 2021 22: 15
            -1
            Yes, it will be cleaner than Krasnodar! Yapatstal. lol
  9. Professor
    Professor 10 March 2021 07: 54
    -4
    The author is wrong. Iskander was intercepted by the Iron Dome, the deployment of which in Azerbaijan was previously reported by the author himself.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 10 March 2021 11: 51
      +8
      Intercepted, intercepted, because Iskander-E is just a Russian copy of Kassam.
      1. Profiler
        Profiler 11 March 2021 16: 24
        +2
        Quote: Pushkar
        Intercepted, intercepted, because Iskander-E is just a Russian copy of Kassam.

        And painted on "Mosfilm"
    2. Charik
      Charik 10 March 2021 17: 02
      +1
      So who is kidding whom?: The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - there were no launches - there were no missiles in the warehouses, the Armenians pass off some launches for Iskander, Pashinyan screams - they are effective, the Azerbadzians - felts have not been shot down. do not start knocking down, not knocking down, the main thing is that the conflict is over, there will be no more people to kill, I hope
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 10 March 2021 21: 31
        +1
        Karabakh is a constant point of contention. They will kill there. Pashinyan in vain thinks that he bent the Karabakh clan, with such actions he will unleash a civil war in Armenia.
  10. Rockerman
    Rockerman 10 March 2021 07: 55
    +5
    Aviation-pro "authoritative military-technical resource"? Are you seriously? They have already been caught on fakes several times. Previously, yes, he did not allow such blunders. But, either the team has changed, or something else, and now he is no longer so authoritative.
  11. TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 10 March 2021 08: 01
    +4
    I don’t know about Iskander, but personally I saw a couple of videos of the Elbrus launch (it’s not clear from where, by whom, where, when) as well as a couple of places with serious destruction on the territory of Azerbaijan. I think if the Iskander had been shot down, then Aliyev would definitely have been given a wreck with a number, as Poroshenko once brought a piece of a bus damaged by his own mine.
    I do not think that Pashinyan generally distinguishes between any complexes. Its whole essence is the transmission of orders from above to inflict maximum harm on the CSTO.
    PS with the feeling that the author has to pay for the "." , therefore, uses them extremely rationally.
  12. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 March 2021 09: 26
    +3
    Avia about an authoritative portal? Then the Russian army does not exist and the aviation and the navy, too, "the coffins" at the Donetsk airport were ground up. What is wrong with the conservatory.
  13. dgonni
    dgonni 10 March 2021 10: 04
    +1
    Well, the style of presentation immediately shows that Damantsev.
    There is nothing to confirm and deny. Something like this
  14. Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima 10 March 2021 10: 30
    0
    Kanashenko clearly stated .. stop carrying the blizzard ... the Russians were not allowed to launch Iskander .. point .. and suck it. you can discuss .. who does not fucking do .. discuss .. prove .. maybe you will hit someone's faces .. also not bad.
  15. Gavrohs
    Gavrohs 10 March 2021 10: 41
    +1
    Aliyev personally denied the use of Iskander. I don’t think that a politician of this level is lying, all the more so after the database, after all, there are objective means of control.
  16. Quadro
    Quadro 10 March 2021 11: 47
    +5
    Neighing from the "authoritative aircraft". Good joke.
  17. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 10 March 2021 12: 19
    +3
    30g? Damantsev in his, as they say, role. Why 30g, and not 100 at once? Plus antigrav and teleportation?
    But our military leaders and paramilitary propagandists have a traditional problem in that they believe that our bullets (shells, grenades, bombs, missiles, planes) will destroy everything, and our defense (armor, air defense, anti-aircraft defense) will protect from everything. And whether our defense will protect against our (or similar) "bullets", or whether our "bullets" will penetrate a defense like ours - is not discussed at all, as if this could not be.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 10 March 2021 16: 20
      -1
      Why 30g, and not 100 at once? Plus antigrav and teleportation?
      Nope ... only nuclear direct-flow and 20 Machs! ??? wink laughing
  18. iouris
    iouris 10 March 2021 12: 42
    -1
    Not Azerbaijani, but Israeli.
  19. sanya
    sanya 10 March 2021 12: 44
    +2
    The Armenian Iskander range is limited and should be either 280 or 290 km
    Launched from the territory of Armenia across Baku ... it turns out to be at a distance exceeding the maximum range of Iskander E
    So the rocket flew along the most primitive ballistic trajectory with minimal overloads at the target and could well have been shot down
    Rather, it is about the incompetence of the Armenian leadership.
  20. Uncle Sam
    Uncle Sam 10 March 2021 13: 48
    -3
    judging by the comments under the carbon copy of the local lakhta, the Turks and the Iskanders are still shooting down. trouble
  21. Uncle Sam
    Uncle Sam 10 March 2021 13: 56
    -5
    In the series of serial prosers, nothing surprises. The experiment failed. The organization of military service should be led by a professional military man and not a furniture maker or a fireman from a distant Siberian aul
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 10 March 2021 16: 21
      +2
      distant Siberian aul
      you do not know Siberia well, if you write about distant auls in it ....! laughing
      1. Charik
        Charik 10 March 2021 17: 07
        0
        rather, this fabulous heard about Siberia and about auls on some kind of TV channel such as national geographers or what kind of tanya there are still
  22. yfast
    yfast 10 March 2021 14: 01
    +3
    Quote: sanya

    So the rocket flew along the most primitive ballistic trajectory with minimal overloads at the target and could well have been shot down

    According to Baron Munchausen himself, who flew on this rocket to Azerbaijan on business.
  23. Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 10 March 2021 14: 32
    +2
    There is a possibility that there is a non-zero probability of being hit by a probable missile launch of the complex, probably "Barak-8ER", probably launched by OTBR 9M723-1E. Which, in turn, has a non-zero probability of a breakthrough through the air defense system, probably built on the basis, probably, of the Barak-8ER air defense missile system, carrying out probable single and salvo launches of probable missiles.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 10 March 2021 19: 35
      +2
      Quote: Ingenegr
      There is a possibility that there is a non-zero probability of being hit by a probable missile launch of the complex, probably "Barak-8ER", probably launched by OTBR 9M723-1E. Which, in turn, has a non-zero probability of a breakthrough through the air defense system, probably built on the basis, probably, of the Barak-8ER air defense missile system, carrying out probable single and salvo launches of probable missiles.

      Reminded it: Mandate. Sim confirms the identity of the bearer of this as the bearer of his identity document laughing
  24. Intruder
    Intruder 10 March 2021 16: 26
    -2
    can be interpreted only as the next futile attempts of the US, Western European and Israeli defense industry complex to partially press out the unique brainchild of the Kolomna "Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering"
    , well .. if such a "dog dance" has gone - let the manufacturer of the complex himself arrange a "rocket biathlon" of the type wonderfully loved in the Russian Federation tank, and show or prove (what they can or cannot !?) in real conditions at the training ground at least, the interception of the export version of the Turkish "miracle rocket" with their own product, also in the export version (to be honest ...), I think even the Turks will be interested to see this, and other military observers in the guest box ... wink
    1. Charik
      Charik 10 March 2021 17: 10
      +1
      so let those who want to watch this action throw themselves into the whole event and demonstrate to the whole world, but at our expense it is not necessary
  25. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 10 March 2021 16: 36
    0
    Some tails with rudders :) An article about what?
    1. Charik
      Charik 10 March 2021 17: 11
      +2
      wings-legs-main tail
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 10 March 2021 17: 33
        0
        wings-legs-main tail
        the essence is rather about the superiority of gas-dynamic control systems over gas-jet systems
        the capabilities of gas-jet systems of thrust vector deviation do not provide the Barak-8ER missiles with those flight and technical qualities
        in real products in service with many countries on this planet ... winked
        1. Charik
          Charik 10 March 2021 17: 40
          0
          yes, I don't care who has any gas and dynamo steering wheels - they always come up with a shield for each sword and you can argue forever - a sword or a shield will work, let them blow out into the desert and swing their missiles there, just everyone understands perfectly well that they can kill a fucking number of people on earth and still continue to improve swords and shields
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 10 March 2021 17: 52
            -2
            just everyone understands perfectly well that they can kill a fucking number of people on earth and still continue to improve swords and shields
            this property of our civilization, to our deep and tragic regret, we are complex suicides just ... wink
  26. Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 10 March 2021 16: 53
    +3
    Omg, Damantsev called the avia.pro garbage dump an authoritative publication ???
    Eugene, it is better to continue thoughtlessly pouring abbreviations and numbers :))
  27. Boratsagdiev
    Boratsagdiev 10 March 2021 17: 04
    +4
    authoritative military-technical portal avia.pro

    authoritative military-technical - they forgot to put in quotes, they have long since sunk to the level of "one grandmother said."
  28. Pavel57
    Pavel57 10 March 2021 22: 12
    0
    The probability of defeat is not zero in any case. Whether he shot it down or not is a separate question.
  29. January
    January 10 March 2021 23: 53
    +3
    "highly authoritative military-technical portal avia.pro"
    Among whom is he authoritative? Fake sits on a blooper and drives a duck.
  30. rocket757
    rocket757 11 March 2021 08: 30
    +2
    Information about the allegedly successful interception of the 9M723-1E Iskander-E operational-tactical ballistic missile of the Armenian Armed Forces by the Israeli air defense system of Azerbaijan's Barak-8ER long-range air defense system continues to be actively discussed by both Azerbaijani and Western, as well as some domestic media

    Who to believe ???
    Our Defense Ministry made a statement that all Iskander "Iskander" in service with Armenia are in storage bases ???
    And then they are discussing that all the same the rocket was used ???
    We need real facts. The rockets are numbered, in "accounting ledgers" you can always find traces of a lot of things, and such large, expensive objects are a must!
  31. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 11 March 2021 11: 41
    +2
    Avia is not reputable, it is a fake wash resource. Don't pay attention to it.
  32. Paphnutius the Unforgettable
    Paphnutius the Unforgettable 11 March 2021 13: 47
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    An interesting opinion about the "respected resource avia pro .." This trash heap and fakecomet is still the same ...

    That's for sure! The dump is still the same!
  33. 3M1N
    3M1N 12 March 2021 02: 45
    -1
    Prior to Pashinyan's statement, a senior representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry spoke about the use of the Iskander complex. Recently, a video has emerged that proves at least one Iskander missile launch. There is no information where and in which direction they were shooting.
    Has reached the goal or result there is no information about it. And Baku's denial of the use of Otrk Iskander by the Armenian armed forces across the territory of Azerbaijan is possible that this was not recorded or that it did not want to harm good-neighborly and partner relations with Russia. Which is the main supplier of arms to Azerbaijan.
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 15 March 2021 20: 28
      0
      Who is this high-ranking military man and why did the General Staff of the Republic of Armenia publicly ridicule Pashinyan on this occasion?
  34. Israel
    Israel 12 March 2021 13: 01
    -3
    What a surprise, well, the Iron Dome intercepted, Iskander, a common thing. If someone was impressed by stories about unparalleled things, what happens.
    It's funny how the Russian Ministry of Defense claims that there were no Iskander launches, although the Armenians posted a video with the launch of two missiles.
    1. FrankyStein
      FrankyStein 13 March 2021 20: 13
      +1
      It's funny how you run around with your unmatched domes. The video clearly shows a short steep ballistics, at such a distance the rocket could not leave even the Karabakh itself, no Baku stood there, even the dive itself is visible, no interception is observed, if someone tried to intercept, it had to be done earlier. Moreover, this video has a continuation, the second part, of the hits of these launches, this happens in the mountains, which is logical, since along such a trajectory they could not reach the flat part of Azerbaijan, where your wunderwaffle was deployed, which could not intercept the ancient Elbrus ...
      1. Angivin
        Angivin 13 March 2021 22: 21
        0
        Azerbaijan's multi-level air defense systems cover more densely Baku (including strategic oil and gas facilities at sea and on land) and Mingechevir with its reservoir. Perhaps that is why not all "ancient Elbrus" and Tochka-U missiles were able to shoot down on Ganja and Bardoi. Perhaps for other reasons.
    2. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 15 March 2021 20: 27
      0
      What kind of Armenians and where did they upload it?
  35. Volga073
    Volga073 14 March 2021 07: 40
    +1
    British scientists are already ridiculous))
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  37. Basarev
    Basarev 15 March 2021 13: 45
    0
    Israel ate rancor on missile defense. It may well be that Barack really shot down Alexander.
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 15 March 2021 16: 09
      +1
      Where? Only Armenia and Algeria have Iskander-E. Armenian were not used. Algerian, it seems, too.

      What are you talking about, tovarischi?))