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The US Congress called the F-35 fighter program a "black hole"

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The US Congress made another criticism of the fifth generation F-35 fighters. The largest portion of criticism of the very program for the creation of these combat aircraft came from the chairman of the US Armed Forces Committee of the House of Representatives, Adam Smith.


From a statement by a Democratic congressman:

It's time to stop pouring money into the black hole. What does the F-35 give us? Is there any way at all to cut the incredible costs of the program? And the costs of implementing and further supporting this program are enormous.

According to Smith, he is going to find out how many new generation fighters and attack aircraft would be most suitable for the United States and at the same time "did not draw additional money from the budget."

US Congressman:

If initially the aircraft was conceived as an affordable fifth generation fighter, including thanks to the expansion of the production program with the help of our foreign partners, now it turned out that everything is not so.

The American media recalled that the cost of an F-35 flight hour is 36 thousand dollars. At the same time, only 69% of the F-35s in the American fleet have achieved the ability to carry out combat operations. The rest continue to "bring to mind", spending more and more new means.

Chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Armed Forces:

We have already spent a huge amount on weapons systems that either did not work at all or did not ultimately meet expectations. This is a major failure. The F-35 program needs to be thoroughly discussed.

The congressman called the situation "price pressure" from a manufacturer "realizing that he has a monopoly."

We will remind that earlier in Lockheed Martin offered the Pentagon to conclude a new contract, on the basis of which an hour of operation of the F-35 will become cheaper. Instead of 36 thousand dollars - 25 thousand. At the same time, the company claims that "no new costs will be required for this." But if expenses really are not required, then why do you need another contract?
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  1. Sergey985
    Sergey985 6 March 2021 08: 58
    +9
    On this program for the F-35, more than one political career has already been made.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 6 March 2021 09: 01
      +9
      Quote: Sergey985
      On this program for the F-35, more than one political career has already been made.

      Now you can lose the same number of careers wassat But for some reason they were late with conclusions, we have been talking about this for years, but they are just ripe wassat Probably it's time to change your favorite toy for something new.
      1. Sergey985
        Sergey985 6 March 2021 09: 07
        +6
        It's just that Lockheed Martin stuck to the trough and doesn't even let anyone get close. And there are plenty of people willing to replace him.
        1. bayard
          bayard 6 March 2021 10: 49
          0
          Quote: Sergey985
          It's just that Lockheed Martin stuck to the trough and doesn't even let anyone get close.

          And not only this . Many countries are connected to the F-35 program and they have just begun to receive their aircraft. If the United States refuses, it will be a scandal and the refusal of the rest. It will result not only in the bankruptcy of Lockheed Martin, but also huge image costs for the United States and a failure in the combat readiness of the allies ... And there is a spinning backwards, how to reduce purchases themselves, but also to sell more to partners.
          In the meantime, the production of the F-15 is being revived and the development of a new 4+ light aircraft has begun.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 6 March 2021 14: 12
            +8
            So let the US weapons programs have many black holes, good and different. drinks
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 March 2021 12: 10
          0
          The fact of the matter is that there are no competitors. While this is bad, you are right here.
          Such an aircraft can only be pulled by Boeing or Northrop-Gruman.
          But Boeing is in clear decline. And Northrop sits tightly in the new order for
          bomber Ryder.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 6 March 2021 14: 14
            +4
            The fact of the matter is that there are no competitors. While this is bad, you are right here.

            I don't see anything bad. These are not our problems. wink
          2. MMX
            MMX 6 March 2021 16: 52
            0
            I believe that all this is dancing around the defense budget and lobbying on the part of competitors who also want a piece of the pie and therefore did not accept the opportunity to use the difficulties in the program in their favor.
            Personal opinion.
          3. bk0010
            bk0010 6 March 2021 23: 21
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The fact of the matter is that there are no competitors.
            F-15ex
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 6 March 2021 23: 35
              0
              Not. This is a temporary measure. Plug the hole.
              So that the total number of combat squadrons does not fall.
              The old F-15s are written off, the F-16s are written off, the pilots are transferred to the F-35.
              The number of F-22 is gradually decreasing. And the F-35 is not enough for replacement.
              The F-15EX is a flying weapons platform with 22 explosive rockets.
              She flies in the second echelon. Targeting for his big explosive rockets
              range is obtained by F-35 flying in front.
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 6 March 2021 23: 39
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Targeting for his big explosive rockets
                range is obtained by F-35 flying in front.
                What can they get? As soon as the F-35 turns on the radar or transmitter, all their stealthiness will immediately lose their meaning. On the contrary, the F-15 will fire missiles from the F-35, but why then the F-35, when you can just take long-range missiles?
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 7 March 2021 01: 46
                  +2
                  "As soon as the F-35 turns on the radar" ///
                  ----
                  The F-35 never turns off the radar.
                  The radar works constantly. In several modes. Simultaneously.
                  And there are modes in which the aircraft is not detected by the action of its radar.
                  In Israel, the F-35 is intensively used precisely as a scout in
                  deep in the territory of hostile countries.
                  1. bk0010
                    bk0010 7 March 2021 12: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    And there are modes in which the aircraft is not detected by the action of its radar.
                    Are you talking about LPI? Does it really work now?
        3. Kaman
          Kaman 6 March 2021 21: 33
          -3
          Criticizing arms programs in Congress is a very good sign of freedom to debate. But I don’t remember the criticism in the SU-57 or the Armata in the State Duma. Either both programs are perfect, or the deputies are not accustomed to think critically
      2. figwam
        figwam 6 March 2021 09: 14
        +9
        This is a major failure. The F-35 program needs to be thoroughly discussed.

        The Arctic fox creeps up to the toy gradually, the allies still need to have time to shove in more missiles.
        1. prior
          prior 6 March 2021 12: 46
          +4
          American partners.
          Horses at the crossing do not change.
          Continue riveting the penguins.
          Your costs are quite satisfactory for us.
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 6 March 2021 12: 52
        +2
        Here, as with a Comanche, they will not jump off a lot of suckers already vparili and dough vbuhali.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 6 March 2021 14: 19
          0
          very many suckers have already vparili and dough vbuhali.

          Small correction: money was thrown in by fuckers.
          And then they will pay for escorting this good: Lockheed Martin forever! bully
    2. max702
      max702 6 March 2021 09: 25
      +19
      The funniest thing here on the site is the darkness of the people that they whine about the long development and long-term testing of our SU-57, T-14 and other samples .. It should be like "partners" zababakhali hundreds of cars and other things, and here they do not work .. All the same " Pentagon Wars "documentary ..
      1. SSR
        SSR 6 March 2021 11: 16
        +2
        Quote: max702
        The funny thing here on the site is the darkness of the people that they whine about the long development and long-term testing of our SU-57, T-14 and other samples ..

        +))) and they also have the most popular comment - Few!
        7 sets are not enough! - 23 planes are not enough! But none of them will immediately tell where to get hundreds of operators at once, hundreds of pilots retrained to fly on new machines and training other pilots who are transferred to their cars.
        The main thing is to quit the cliché slogan.))
        Only in one enterprise,
        10 new modern machine tools are idle, they have been bought, but there are no experienced operators, they work on other previously purchased machines, but the level of competence and efficiency is about 30%
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 6 March 2021 11: 26
          +8
          Quote: SSR
          and they also have the most popular comment - Few!

          You can also add their cries that only in Russia there is such a profession - "budget sawers", and in countries of "true democracy" this can never be.
        2. max702
          max702 6 March 2021 23: 03
          +3
          Well, there is always trouble with personnel training, in vocational schools, technical schools and institutes they have always taught something different from what will happen in production, in the army there is a similar situation when during the entire training period the same gunner will fire less shots than in the first battle in the war .. Why is that? It's simple .. EXPENSIVE! Somehow they counted with the flyers in Kubinka what time it was getting up to prepare a first-class pilot in the USSR .. Duc, the amount went to TWO MILLION rubles of those same Soviet ones .. I also knew the situation, at one defense plant back in the 80s they bought a BOSH machine that cut with titanium wire very complex parts in an oil bath (this was recently touted in some kind of program for a high-tech star, hoo-ho) so they bought it, they bought it, and the Germans did not begin to train the staff, they hinted that we should have trained both the workers and the adjusters of this machine for expensive thing. But one thing is the currency for the machine is quite another currency for the training of personnel .. As a result, while the Germans were available, everything worked as soon as the machine left, it got up .. In a word, it never worked .. In principle, such an attitude towards the associated infrastructure and service personnel We have always had ... the submarine "Lira", SS-B33 "Ural" and many other things will not let you lie, but whining about hangars costing in lam at the price of an aircraft in a hundred? And much much more .. So you shouldn't be surprised at the savings on people and related infrastructure ..
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 6 March 2021 13: 01
        0
        That's right, a batch of marriage
        products with a quality that does not meet specifications or standards. They cannot be used for their intended purpose or can only be operated after the defects have been corrected.
        to release the lot of either fools or thrown who want to sell it to fools.
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 6 March 2021 10: 31
      +4
      I don’t know about my political career, but I’ve already spent tens of billions in our pockets. But, corruption and embezzlement - happens only in Russia))))
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 6 March 2021 11: 25
      +1
      He climbed a goof-kidu into the korman, this is not forgiven, he will not live long if he does not turn on the back one, and does not give up his words and intentions.
    5. Russobel
      Russobel 6 March 2021 22: 05
      0
      Yes, and the flight hour is 36 thousand, which means 36, which means 25?
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 6 March 2021 08: 58
    +6
    The US Congress called the F-35 fighter program a "black hole"
    It was so easy to finally spot a penguin in the F-35!
    Black!
    Well, they do not know such a beast - PESECS!
  3. Cowbra
    Cowbra 6 March 2021 09: 01
    +22
    It is strange that not with a chocolate eye)))
    However, I never stop remembering what songs about the F-35 were sung by one sect with six-pointed stars. Nightingales sobbed and hung with envy)))
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 6 March 2021 09: 04
      +14
      Quote: Cowbra
      what kind of songs about the F-35 were sung by one sect with six-pointed stars.

      Don't worry, the adepts will come out now. They have not yet received the commands to cancel the praises. laughing
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 6 March 2021 09: 47
        +7

        NDR-791 (Artyom)
        Today, 09: 04

        +5
        Quote: Cowbra
        what kind of songs about the F-35 were sung by one sect with six-pointed stars.

        Don't worry, the adepts will come out now... They have not yet received the commands to cancel praises laughing
        The monitors are already warming up the hike, and the playful fingers are kneading! laughing
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 6 March 2021 10: 32
          +1
          It is possible that those from Israel who sang laudatory odes to the F - 35, in the local General Staff, are a quarter of the rate)))
        2. Poetry
          Poetry 6 March 2021 11: 49
          +2
          Their fingers itch, of course, but today is Shabbat. The fighters of the invisible front went to the synagogue.
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 6 March 2021 09: 35
      +1
      Out of respect or out of fear, they say the F35 is an incredible aircraft. smile
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 6 March 2021 09: 38
        +12
        Everything is much simpler. It's hard to maintain the image of a smart Jew when he is thrown over and over again like a pedal sucker laughing Vaughn, for example, continued with the KS-46 tankers, which the US Air Force screeched and hysterically rejected. We need to shake them off somewhere ... Abram, I have an exceptional offer for you - two models for the price of three planes, just for you - a kosher hamburger as a gift!
        So to maintain the image, let's say who you are telling, these goyim do not know their happiness, and the F-35 is already a thousand years old, and every pilot is the last Chubak
        1. abc_alex
          abc_alex 6 March 2021 09: 58
          +5
          Quote: Cowbra
          Everything is much simpler.

          And even easier. Israel receives penguins as part of US military aid, that is, for free. Is free. And if you spent zero, then the Penguin is indeed a great plane! In addition, the statesmen allowed Israel to participate in its modernization program. Generally gorgeous!
          :)
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 6 March 2021 10: 38
            +5
            Upgrading bullshit is a very exciting activity))) the main thing is, as a result, not to be the extreme, on which "all the dogs will be hanged")))
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 6 March 2021 10: 34
          +2
          This "slapstick" was also incomprehensible to me. Why does Israel need a palm-sized flying tanker with a range of 10 km?
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 6 March 2021 11: 00
            +5

            Termi NahTer (Nikolai)
            Today, 10: 34
            NEW

            +1
            This "slapstick" was also incomprehensible to me. Why does Israel need a palm-sized flying tanker with a range of 10 km?
            The answer is simple with an example: The cat did not eat anything except expensive delicacies. A neighbor came and said that he would teach the cat to eat everything that they would give. He put on a tarpaulin boot, stepped on the cat's tail, and gave him an old, hardened rusk. The cat gnawed at the boot, and then began to eat the biscuit, like he hadn't eaten for a week ...
            That's how the merikatos - stepped on the tail of the vassals, and threw rubbish on the huge lards. wink
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 6 March 2021 13: 14
              +1
              Quote: aszzz888
              That's how the merikatos - stepped on the tail of the vassals, and threw rubbish on the huge lards.

              "and mind you - she does it voluntarily and with a song!" From a joke how to make a cat eat mustard
              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 6 March 2021 13: 17
                +1

                Cowbra
                Today, 13: 14

                +1
                Quote: aszzz888
                That's how the merikatos - stepped on the tail of the vassals, and threw rubbish on the huge lards.

                "and mind you - she does it voluntarily and with a song!" From an anecdote how to make a cat eat mustard
                Working off the shekels is in full swing! wink
            2. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 6 March 2021 15: 13
              0
              This is how the Jews receive mattress nishtyaks under the assistance program, i.e. practically nothing. What is the benefit of the Washington Reich Chancellery?
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          3. abc_alex
            abc_alex 7 March 2021 18: 00
            -1
            Quote: TermNachTER
            This "slapstick" was also incomprehensible to me. Why does Israel need a palm-sized flying tanker with a range of 10 km?

            Well, look, the US is allocating several billion dollars in military aid to Israel. With this money, Israel can only "buy" US weapons. And the question arises: there are old F-16s and new F-35s. For the war with the bearded in slippers, it is superfluous that those that others. What are we going to take? Naturally, they take new ones.
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 6 March 2021 09: 50
        +1

        Pessimist22 (Igor)
        Today, 09: 35

        0
        Out of respect or out of fear, they say the F35 is an incredible aircraft smile
        Because of the dough that was dumped by the Merikatos - try to give less! - in a moment they will line up in one line of seven rows! wink
      3. Sergey985
        Sergey985 6 March 2021 10: 04
        +1
        So it is - "neural plane"! In all senses))))
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 6 March 2021 09: 46
      +1

      Cowbra
      Today, 09: 01
      +10
      It is strange that not with a chocolate eye)))
      However, I never cease to remember what songs I sang about the F-35. one sect with six-pointed stars. Nightingales sobbed and hung with envy)))
      hi ! So for the loot that the merikatosy gave them, they will not only "sing songs" laughing , and also dance online from morning to night! wink
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 6 March 2021 13: 03
      +1
      They partially produced it, for example, the workers of the auto concern will not say publicly that their cars are garbage (even if they are), on the contrary, they will praise that they buy.
    5. Quadro
      Quadro 7 March 2021 09: 59
      +1
      So, one Jew above f35 turns out to be invisible even with the radar turned on. Israel canceled physics
  4. Alex_You
    Alex_You 6 March 2021 09: 04
    +1
    It is the same Adam Smith who repeatedly asks to allocate additional money to "contain" Russia in Europe.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 6 March 2021 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: Alex_You
      It is the same Adam Smith who repeatedly asks to allocate additional money to "contain" Russia in Europe.

      Yes, the same one who went down in history as a boy, a boot shine, who in this case became a millionaire wassat Society of Equal Opportunities in Action !!!
  5. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 March 2021 09: 27
    +3
    I suggest the Americans do not suffer and buy the Su-35! laughing
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 6 March 2021 09: 42
      +2

      Kote Pan Kokhanka (Vladislav)
      Today, 09: 27
      +1
      I suggest the Americans do not suffer and buy the Su-35! laughing
      And all the other penguins to sell to the right, they are very happy with these beads! laughing
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 March 2021 10: 41
        0
        Quote: aszzz888
        And all the other penguins to sell to the right, they are very happy with these beads!

        Give us to Patriot Park! good
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 6 March 2021 11: 14
          +1

          Kote Pan Kokhanka (Vladislav)
          Today, 10: 41

          +1
          Quote: aszzz888
          And all the other penguins to sell to the right, they are very happy with these beads!

          Give us to Patriot Park! good
          If only on the target! wink
  6. Retrograd
    Retrograd 6 March 2021 09: 28
    +3
    Finally it was recognized!
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 6 March 2021 09: 36
      0
      Retrograd
      Today, 09: 28
      +1
      Finally it was recognized!
      So yes, except for their vassals isravil, who sold a diamond !!! rusty iron! laughing
      1. Retrograd
        Retrograd 6 March 2021 09: 43
        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        Retrograd
        Today, 09: 28
        +1
        Finally it was recognized!
        So yes, except for their vassals isravil, who sold a diamond !!! rusty iron! laughing

        Well, the project needs to be recouped somehow? So they will force it on a voluntary-compulsory basis .. Moreover, Israel has invested there, and these will not miss their own ..))))
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 6 March 2021 09: 53
          -1
          ..Retrograd
          Today, 09: 43
          ... Moreover, Israel has invested there, and these will not let go of theirs ..))))
          And how "invested"! So much so that shakes them with a small swell for days. This is how the Merikatos will send their vassals into the desert! bully
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 6 March 2021 13: 05
        +1
        Nakhalyavu vinegar is sweet someone said.
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 March 2021 09: 34
    +7
    It's time to stop pouring money into the black hole. What does the F-35 give us? Is there any way at all to cut the incredible costs of the program? And the costs of implementing and further supporting this program are enormous.
    Iiii! And what will the Togvarischi say to this, this time? Again "Kremlin propaganda"? Or inventions of members of the VO site? Hey? !!!! prohfessura, warriors, ironics, etc., etc.? Or to yell weakly at the Congress of Merikatosia? laughing
    1. Mikhail Malakhov_2
      Mikhail Malakhov_2 6 March 2021 09: 54
      -5
      What can you say here? More than 600 F35s in service in different countries.
      And everything else is blabby.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 6 March 2021 11: 34
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      Or to yell weakly at the Congress of Merikatosia?

      How can you ?. After all, they were warmed and fed after fleeing from the Union and Russia. You need to work out 30 pieces of silver (shekels).
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 6 March 2021 12: 36
        0

        Piramidon (Stepan. Russia)
        Today, 11: 34

        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        Or to yell weakly at the Congress of Merikatosia?

        How can you ?. After all, they were warmed and fed after fleeing from the Union and Russia. You need to work out 30 pieces of silver (shekels).
        So I say, these heroes only here on the keyboard work until they lose their pulse wink laughing
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 March 2021 09: 48
    +3
    laughing It came to giraffes. How many years we have been repeating about this under the streams of "cons" of mattress fans, and now they themselves understood. "The revolution, which the Bolsheviks talked about for so long, has happened!" (from) laughing
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 6 March 2021 10: 00
      0

      Prisoner (Ayrat)
      Today, 09: 48
      +1
      laughing It got to the giraffes. How many years we have been repeating about this under the streams of "cons" of mattress fans, and now they themselves understood. "The revolution, which the Bolsheviks talked about for so long, has happened!" (c) laughing
      Here not only "fans" were crucified, but those who flew into many lards of greenery! - and how many more will be thrown into the content of this trash! - the laying of the mericatos! Well, the desert will accept everyone. laughing
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 6 March 2021 10: 19
    0
    There has been a lot of criticism recently of the F-35. Yes, and the latest information about the sale to everyone and everything, rather indicates that a new program is on the nose, to create an aircraft of the future in the United States. This is not a criticism of the product, this is lobbying the interests of certain groups in the aircraft industry. The product may have shortcomings and even problems, but the amount of $ 2 trillion presses on the brain perhaps more.
    1. Mikhail Malakhov_2
      Mikhail Malakhov_2 6 March 2021 10: 23
      -10%
      There are different drawbacks and problems.
      Out of two Su57s, one of us crashed, however, according to the local iksperds, the F35 has problems
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 6 March 2021 10: 31
        +4
        Don't you think that even here the Su-57 is slightly more than two?

        And that comparing the program for which 1,4 trillion was spent and 2,8 for the entire program of the Su-57 is somehow ridiculous, especially considering that the Su passed all the tests and was launched into series, but the F-35 did not succeed either one or the other in 20 years? Yes, it is the F-35 that has problems and attempts to sew the Su-57 to these problems are frankly stupid and cheap.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 6 March 2021 10: 35
        0
        Quote: Mikhail Malakhov_2
        There are different drawbacks and problems.
        Out of two Su57s, one of us crashed, however, according to the local iksperds, the F35 has problems

        What are you dear?
        The Su-57 is still at the testing stage, and the F-35 is serial and its problems were not taken from the pages of newspapers, but from the report of the Director of Operational Tests and Evaluations of the Pentagon, Robert Beler
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 6 March 2021 10: 48
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          The Su-57 is still in the testing phase, while the F-35 is in production.

          Quite the opposite, the Su-57 began mass production, but it was the first pre-production sample that crashed. The F-35 never began to be mass-produced due to the fact that it could not pass the final tests from the Pentagon for 20 years, the last ones were overwhelmed in the fall of 2019, Andrews airbase. But they are bought in the status of "limited combat readiness" and from pre-production batches, as evidenced by the marking of the LRIP batches.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 6 March 2021 11: 03
            +2
            Quote: Cowbra
            But they are bought in the status of "limited combat capability" and from pre-production batches, as evidenced by the marking of the LRIP batches.

            Then what are the Americans writing about?
            https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/us-navy-declares-ioc-for-lockheed-martin-f-35c/131615.article
            On February 28, 2019, the command of the United States Navy assigned the F-35C Lightning II carrier-based fighters the status of initial operational readiness, Flightglobal reports. This became possible after the completion of deck tests of combat aircraft on an aircraft carrier, which were conducted by the 147th Strike Fighter Squadron on the Carl Vinson aircraft carrier of the Nimitz type. As a result of the tests, the F-35C was declared safe for flight operations from an aircraft carrier.

            In the American armed forces, the announcement of the status of initial operational readiness actually means the adoption of new technology into service. A few years later, when the manufacturer completes the delivery of all the military vehicles specified in the contract, full operational readiness is announced for them. The adoption of the F-35C carrier-based fighters into service dragged on for almost five years - initially it was planned to assign them the status of initial operational readiness back in 2014. The delays were caused by difficulties in software development and weapons certification.

            The F-35C was the last fighter in the F-35 family to enter service. The first status of initial operational readiness was announced for the short takeoff and vertical landing fighter F-35B; such aircraft are supplied to the United States Marine Corps. The F-35A fighter with a conventional takeoff was the second to enter service. It was received by the US Air Force. The F-35 has been in development since 2001. To date, 355 aircraft have been assembled under the Lightning II program. In total, the US military should receive 2443 F-35 fighters.
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 6 March 2021 11: 07
              +1
              This is what they write about - limited combat capability. Quite an idiotic system, but they do not get used to it, they do everything through this very thing. The implication was that they would go to the troops, there they would be thoroughly tested and everything would be eliminated (yeah, 900 defects ... This fairy tale is more fun than counting sheep for the night). The F-35 did not pass the final tests in any modification. I couldn't
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 March 2021 12: 38
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              Then what are the Americans writing about?

              This is what they write about.
              Quote: APASUS
              The command of the US Navy on February 28, 2019, assigned the status of initial operational readiness to the F-35C Lightning II carrier-based fighters

              But full operational readiness is not
              Quote: APASUS
              when the manufacturer completes the delivery of all contracted military vehicles

              Where did you get this from? This, if roughly, is an analogue of the completion of our state standards
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 6 March 2021 13: 09
        0
        So on tests, when it breaks down quite normally, it means that jambs have been identified and they need to be corrected, which is clearly later done.
    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra 6 March 2021 10: 33
      0
      So it has already been launched. The program to replace the F-35 with generation 5 minus fighters, the Air Force Chief of Staff announced quite officially. They cannot make an aircraft of the 5th generation)))
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 March 2021 10: 30
    +6
    but now it turned out that everything is not so.
    For the first time, perhaps, and only with the F-35? "And in the morning they woke up" (V. Shukshin). But there were also clever heads in the United States, who initially said that the plane eats a lot, and the recoil is almost 0, but they were quickly "calmed down" and led to a normal battle. But how marketing worked is lovely sight. There is a queue behind the plane, it even became the subject of sanctions. On the site, the defenders and midfielders of this brainchild have erased their hand minus those who criticized it.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 6 March 2021 12: 49
      0
      Once upon a time, the F-16 program was criticized in the same way.
      In the same words: expensive, unreliable, unfinished. The F-16 had FULL accidents.
      Dozens of aircraft crashed in training flights in the first years
      in many countries.
      But the single-engine F-16 became the most massive fighter in the world.
      And it is still being produced.
      The F-35 program is the same massive program. The same howl, noise, criticism
      (More - there was no internet before).
      But three factories: in America, Japan and Italy, produce 18-20 aircraft per MONTH.
      (the main American plant at 14-16 per month).

      For comparison:
      The Chinese are going to release 4 J-20 per month.
      The rest are almost single assemblies.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 6 March 2021 13: 22
        0
        You almost always comment more objectively on various articles, unlike many of your fellow countrymen. But for you, the F-35 has become almost an icon (this is me in Russian, knowing full well that you have no icons). Your commitment to "ally" is understandable. Even for the sake of this "ally" you pretended to have forgotten who was hiding on your territory and giving work to those who spread rot on you during the times of fascism. Well, these are your problems, tk. small countries always want to cling to a stronger one, especially since they bought so many of these aircraft, and military assistance is never superfluous. hi
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 March 2021 17: 11
          +1
          F-35 is a modern fighter-bomber.
          Analogue of F-16.
          The best strike aircraft on the western arms market.
          But he:
          NOT a plane of air supremacy,
          NOT an interceptor,
          NOT an attack aircraft,
          NOT a bomber.
          When a better drummer appears than the F-35, I fully admit it.
          1. Outsider
            Outsider 7 March 2021 12: 06
            0
            - He is a multi-role fighter according to the modern American gradation, or a fighter-bomber according to the old Soviet one. He is a bomber, no doubt. And even the best fighter in the world - after the F-22 ... laughing
  11. Cowbra
    Cowbra 6 March 2021 10: 45
    +2
    By the way, in the same basket.
    NASA has raised prices for services for the delivery of cargo to the ISS by almost seven times The cost of delivery of 1 kg of cargo of commercial companies to the ISS has increased from $ 3 to $ 20. WASHINGTON, March 5.

    Hey, cultists named for cheap launches from Alena Skazka, where are you there?
    Well, that's actually all that was required to prove. Especially noteworthy is this phrase "the past pricing policy was aimed at stimulating the market." When the market has been "stimulated", that is, cleaned out of all non-American competitors, then prices can be raised again to an almost natural level (while the government subsidy still remains)
  12. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 6 March 2021 10: 50
    +1
    America and its allies need more than 35 and similar programs. you see, they themselves will be covered with a copper basin - without our direct participation.
  13. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 March 2021 10: 52
    +2
    Everyone is lying in Congress! The Jews will not get enough of it! Reading some of them on VO, you start to "be afraid," not a penguin with a face, but a "death star" of some sort!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 6 March 2021 12: 53
      0
      Don't be afraid of the F-35.
      It is necessary to intensively produce an aircraft that can effectively withstand the F-35.
      This is the Su-57.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 6 March 2021 12: 58
        -1
        Forgot Russian? I have to be afraid in quotes. Why are you afraid on the globe, I only find you with a microscope.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 6 March 2021 13: 27
          -1
          tralflot1832 (Andrey S.)
          Today, 12: 58

          +1
          Forgot Russian? I have to be afraid in quotes.Why be afraid of you on the globe, I only find you with a microscope.
          So their ambition is like that of poultry - turkeys. And when the ax is placed on the block, the turkey faints at the sight of it. wink
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 6 March 2021 13: 23
        -1

        voyaka uh (Alexey)
        Today, 12: 53

        -1
        Don't be afraid of the F-35.
        Who do you advise this? Liechtenstein Air Force? laughing
  14. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 6 March 2021 11: 06
    0
    Why did they attack the F-35 like that ?!

    The Jews over there like him very much. They say that it is a wonderful fighter.

    And the fact that not all planes are unmatched is normal, because in my opinion, something breaks down, is under repair, waiting for spare parts, etc.

    And the cost of the F-35 is now not much more expensive than the F-16 in the latest modification.

    Something not right was started by the "partners".
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 6 March 2021 11: 22
      -1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Why did they attack the F-35 like that ?!

      Who are they? One of 534 congressmen is mentioned in the article.

      The Jews over there like him very much. They say that it is a wonderful fighter.

      Yes.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 6 March 2021 15: 35
        0
        Maybe the Jews like the F-35 because, in fact, Israel got it for free?

        For free and sweet vinegar)).

        The United States annually allocates 3,8 billion dollars to Israel for the purchase of American weapons, all these F-35s were bought for American money.

        Here, yes, there is nothing to be indignant about, it is necessary to extol such a gift as much as possible, otherwise the Americans will be offended.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 6 March 2021 15: 48
          +1
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Maybe the Jews like the F-35 because, in fact, Israel got it for free?

          If only it were so easy. In the USA, in addition to the F-35, there are 3 more serial fighters. Including stealth performance F / A-18E / F "Advanced Super Hornet", F-15SE Silent Eagle and cheaper F-16V Block70 / 72.
          But they choose the F-35 and F-15EX.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 6 March 2021 12: 19
      -2
      1) The F-35 has no problems with combat functionality.
      No one claims that he is doing poorly on combat missions.

      2) There are no problems with the purchase price either. $ 87 million is
      cheaper than most 4th generation aircraft like the Rafal and Typhoons.

      3) The problem is only with the cost of inter-age service and
      logistics for the supply of spare parts. These things lend themselves to optimization.
      Israel can handle it, and the rest can do it. Good techniques are key.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 6 March 2021 15: 30
        +2
        Well then, all the more it is not clear why more and more discontent is heard from American politicians with the F-35 program.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 March 2021 17: 05
          0
          Because the maintenance of a growing fleet of F-35s in the Air Force costs all
          a large amount of money to the military budget. The more planes, squadrons,
          the more technicians are needed (they are paid salaries), the more training flights,
          depreciation, spare parts.
          On the one hand, Congress has established a minimum number of combat squadrons,
          on the other hand, each new squadron is a new cost.
          You can, of course, buy 4th generation aircraft, which is cheaper, but
          China already has the fifth. J-20s are on stream and they will crush F-16s and F-15s.
          Here are the congressmen and are trying to glue the budget without prejudice
          combat capability of the Air Force.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 7 March 2021 13: 17
            +1

            Because the maintenance of a growing fleet of F-35s in the Air Force costs all
            a large amount of money to the military budget. The more planes, squadrons,
            the more technicians are needed (they are paid salaries), the more training flights,
            depreciation, spare parts.


            Somehow your argument does not sound convincing.

            The F-35s are being built-in to replace the outdated versions of the F-16 and F-18 fighters, no additional new pilots, new squadrons, new aircraft carriers and new technicians are being introduced in significant numbers, and the maintenance of the same F-16 and F-18 is not much cheaper $ 45 per hour of flight for the F-000. It's just that the F-35 and F-16 have simpler parts and repairs, since all this has already been adjusted and worked out and done in sufficient quantities.

            So, it's not about the money, obviously, especially considering that the size of the US military budget exceeded 720 billion dollars a YEAR !!!.

            I think the fact is that the F-35 does not actually give a significant advantage over modern versions of the F-16 and F-18 fighters, both in breaking through enemy air defenses and in confronting other fighters, the bet is on low visibility does not play a role when it is necessary to confront a country with serious air defense, modern fighters and powerful ground-based radars and modern air defense systems with modern radars. All these systems detect the F-35, maybe a little worse, but enough to fight them.

            And to break through the air defense F-35 will have to be used in the same way as the fighters of previous versions, and one can hope for victory only if there is a clear superiority in the number of fighters, means of lighting the air situation and the performance characteristics of weapons systems.

            The tale that the F-35 will fly freely in the enemy's air defense zone has become a fairy tale. He will fly, but also fearing to be destroyed like any other aircraft.

            That is, in fact, the F-35 did not justify the hopes placed on it. Yes, the F-35 can effectively bomb Syria from afar with cruise missiles, like the F-16, since (for Israel) Syria is exhausted by the war and it does not have a lot of air defense systems and means of lighting the air situation, but even in the confrontation with Iran, not to mention About Russia or China, the F-35 will not have any advantages at a low altitude, not at a high one. It will immediately become prey for a suddenly switched on air defense system, as in the case of the F-117 in Yugoslavia or some long-range air defense system that detects this aircraft with the help of over-the-horizon radars or an AWACS aircraft or, in general, another fighter.

            That is why the United States was hysterical when Turkey bought the S-400, because then the Turks would have easily understood this by flying around the working S-400 air defense system in their F-35, which could cause a scandal and cause huge image damage for the United States.

            That is why the United States did everything to prevent Turkey from conducting such a check. Otherwise, what's the point of arguing with Turkey. Greece has both the S-300 and the most modern F-16 and nothing, moreover, Greece has other modern air defense systems from Russia.

            Well, and the fact that China will defeat the United States if there is not a lot of F-35 is generally a fairy tale))). First of all, why would China smash its main trading partner ?! And secondly, in aviation, China is incomparably far from the United States (a nuclear power, moreover).

            Even if tomorrow China attacks Taiwan, the maximum US response is economic and political sanctions, but the US itself will never dare to fight against China.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 7 March 2021 18: 52
              +1
              "from afar, F-35 cruise missiles can effectively" ///
              ---
              The F-35 is not bombed from afar with cruise missiles. They go over the target
              and drop precision bombs.
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan 8 March 2021 23: 09
                0


                The F-35 is not bombed from afar with cruise missiles. They go over the target
                and drop precision bombs.




                And when did that happen?
        2. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 7 March 2021 15: 51
          +2
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          why is there more and more discontent on the part of American politicians with the F-35 program?


          In America, politicians who wanted to create a reputation for fighters against government tyranny at the expense of the F-35 have never been translated. It's just that recently on Topvor they write about it more often.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 7 March 2021 18: 40
            +1
            What does government tyranny have to do with it?

            I would understand if one of the politicians spoke about the need for the United States to cut spending in general on the army, and not separately on a new fighter.

            I think the reason is different, the F-35, despite all its "bells and whistles" did not give the United States those opportunities that they dreamed of.

            The F-35 does not have a significant advantage even over the F-16, let alone the F-15. That is why there is more and more criticism of the F-35 program and more and more interest in new versions of the F-15.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 7 March 2021 18: 43
              0
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              What does government tyranny have to do with it?


              Despite the fact that the image of a fighter against a bad, ineffective state is beneficial.

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              I would understand if one of the politicians spoke about the need for the United States to reduce overall spending on the army


              But because of this, on the contrary, you can be branded as a weakling and a defeatist, and this is unprofitable.

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              I think the reason is different, the F-35, despite all its "bells and whistles" did not give the United States those opportunities that they dreamed of.


              Gave it or not, it is not for Adam Smith to judge it.

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              The F-35 does not have a significant advantage even in comparison with the F-16.


              I would ask how you know this, but I know how smile
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan 8 March 2021 23: 11
                0

                I would ask how you know this, but I know how smile


                I don’t know, but I’m just guessing.
  15. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 6 March 2021 11: 11
    -10%
    And now all together, amicably, remembered the process of opening the "black box" of the "Sushka" shot down by the Turks, and the fact that there were Chinese plastic chips inside the critical module. And they thought))
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 March 2021 11: 43
    +2
    Yes, let them rivet themselves. The more money in the pipe, the better for us.
  17. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 March 2021 12: 11
    +1
    Absolutely no scandal.

    What kind of power is there in the United States? That's right - theoretically rotated. 

    So what? That's right - those who were before us are to blame for all the jambs.

    Who are we? That's right - we are good fellows who discovered these problems. laughing
  18. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 March 2021 12: 23
    0
    anecdote of the Soviet era (in the era before the collapse).

    Climbs into the pub out of line, a hmy who decided to pity the audience and asks - let me in please, I'm premature.

    Here he is a dude, obviously from hard workers - go to * n **, and next to the professor adjusting his pince-nez - yes, yes, for two months. laughing
  19. gurzuf
    gurzuf 6 March 2021 12: 48
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Such an aircraft can only be pulled by Boeing or Northrop-Gruman.

    Probably these corporations do not want to drive a marriage for their sun. "only 69% of the F-35s in the US fleet have achieved combat capability."
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 7 March 2021 15: 52
      -1
      Quote: gurzuf
      only 69% of the F-35s in the American fleet have achieved combat capability


      This is a twisted quote.
      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 7 March 2021 17: 06
        +1
        How so? The American media do not lie, it is known ... from them.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 7 March 2021 17: 08
          0
          Quote: gurzuf
          American media do not lie, it is known


          That’s how the Americans didn’t say it.
          1. gurzuf
            gurzuf 7 March 2021 17: 58
            +1
            Each of us understood the quote as he wanted. All the best.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 7 March 2021 18: 05
              0
              Quote: gurzuf
              Each of us understood the quote as he wanted.


              To understand a quote, you need to see it in the original. I have seen.

              Quote: gurzuf
              All the best.


              And exactly the same to you.
  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 March 2021 13: 00
    +1
    Turkey will not necessarily demand its return to the F-35 fifth generation fighter program, from which it was excluded by the decision of the United States after purchasing the S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) from Russia, but it will certainly demand compensation for the damage caused to Ankara. This statement was made today, March 3, by the director of the country's defense industry department (SSB) Ismail Demir in an interview with the Turkish television channel NTV.

    The senior official stressed that Turkey is no longer seeking to return to the F-35 project by all means. Asked that, according to media reports, his department had previously engaged one of the American law firms to obtain "strategic advice" on protecting its rights in the F-35 program, Ismail Demir said that Turkey's main goal is to obtain compensation for their losses after the decision of the United States.

    According to him, Ankara suffered "clear damage in rights" and Turkey's six-month contract with the law firm Arnold & Porter is aimed at determining further steps to eliminate these losses.

    “We are not determined to return to the project. We say that injustice has been committed against us and that this injustice must be corrected, ”said Demir, who at the end of last year, along with other representatives of the SSB leadership, came under US sanctions due to the acquisition of Russian long-range air defense systems by a Middle Eastern NATO member state ...
    “The goal of all our efforts is not necessarily to get back to the program at all costs, but rather to correct the injustice and compensate for our losses,” he added. news / 2021/03/03 / turciya-potrebuet-ot-ssha-kompensaciyu-posle-vydvoreniya-iz-programmy-f-35
  21. codetalker
    codetalker 6 March 2021 13: 07
    +6
    In general, the fu-35 is a very interesting project. Apparently, many amer politicians are not privy to the intricacies and goals of its creation ... although many aspects are obvious here. After all, it was not planned as a combat aircraft in the full sense of the word. More like a PR project. When it began to be developed, no one in the American "establishment" expected that Russia would somehow miraculously survive as a state. For all other military-political opponents, the technology that the states already had (with periodic modernization) is sufficient. But in order to preserve the image of a great power, it is necessary to show, among other things, advanced developments in the field of military technology. This is where the Fu-35, Zamvolts and so on appeared. Therefore, it was necessary to rivet it as much as possible and shake off the "allies". Therefore, Hollywood immediately joined the Fu-35 project, one cannot help but notice that they were promoting it ...
    Who would have thought that:
    1) By 2020, the state of Russia will still be on the world map ... moreover, a state with a modern and efficient army;
    2) Hollywood will not be the same by 2020, and instead of glorifying America, it will promote all kinds of perversion and equality.
    So we have to try to make a combat aircraft from a PR project. And this is a very difficult and expensive undertaking.
  22. rocket757
    rocket757 6 March 2021 14: 03
    0
    So it was an interesting idea, but ... you can bring it to some degree of justification, efficiency, but expensive.
    Their affairs. So let's see who and in which direction to push the horn?
  23. Outsider
    Outsider 6 March 2021 14: 56
    0
    “That freakin 'Adam Smith is a lawyer by training. And in military planes he understands like a pig in oranges. What he doesn't understand is that the R&D of the F-22 cost $ 62 billion and the R&D of the F-35A, B and C, $ 65 billion. And "for free" today it is impossible to get anything worthwhile, except maybe some kind of garbage, such as the Su-57, which no one needs in FIG ...
  24. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 6 March 2021 16: 24
    0
    Yes? And the Jews, you know, are praising: "gut, gut, send more!" Something is wrong here, however!
  25. ork_333
    ork_333 6 March 2021 16: 55
    +1
    Somewhere I already heard it ... Oh, exactly, BMP "Bradley"!
  26. ksv36
    ksv36 6 March 2021 18: 22
    0
    I recently discussed this topic. We would have this money ...
  27. ksv36
    ksv36 6 March 2021 18: 39
    0
    It's just that Lockheed Martin stuck to the trough and doesn't even let anyone get close.

    And not only martin's horse sucked at the feeder. Sofa, you are not too lazy to comment on everything hu ... well, like nonsense. Not worth a damn.
  28. Dzenn
    Dzenn 6 March 2021 19: 47
    0
    "According to Smith, he is going to find out how many next generation fighters and attack aircraft would be most suitable for the United States."
    The answer is ZERO.
    The plane after take-off, several tens of minutes of flight and landing, requires several days of maintenance. It is not subject to combat use.
    The plane can only take off and land, out of six missiles, it is capable of launching one or two, the rest of the system refuses to launch, the course machine gun refuses to shoot at the target, and even with its low maneuverability and speed, the machine gun is not needed, the radar gives out double target designation, touch buttons in 20% of cases do not work, the life support system strangles the pilot.
    "At the same time, only 69% of the F-35s in the American fleet have achieved the ability to carry out combat operations."
    The answer is zero combat readiness for the F-35.
    A worthy exit all the F-35s to transfer to the Polish Air Force, in the event of hostilities, in five days they can be honestly written off as combat losses.
  29. faterdom
    faterdom 6 March 2021 22: 18
    +2
    Well, where are you, master of catchy headlines?
    After all, how could you beat: "The Americans have adopted a black hole, and now everyone will be sucked in there!"
  30. Tagan
    Tagan 6 March 2021 22: 35
    0
    Quote: Kaman
    Criticizing arms programs in Congress is a very good sign of freedom to debate. But I don’t remember the criticism in the SU-57 or the Armata in the State Duma. Either both programs are perfect, or the deputies are not accustomed to think critically

    There is criticism, and there is criticism.
    The second is not at all conducive to solving problems or achieving the assigned tasks.
  31. Tagan
    Tagan 6 March 2021 23: 07
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    1) The F-35 has no problems with combat functionality.
    No one claims that he is doing poorly on combat missions.

    2) There are no problems with the purchase price either. $ 87 million is
    cheaper than most 4th generation aircraft like the Rafal and Typhoons.

    3) The problem is only with the cost of inter-age service and
    logistics for the supply of spare parts. These things lend themselves to optimization.
    Israel can handle it, and the rest can do it. Good techniques are key.

    Well, okay. At first, there are no problems. On the grandmother and unvoiced "opportunities" fall later)))
    In Israel, they are coping also thanks to the fact that there is a program of arms support from the United States on a gratuitous basis, if memory serves. Not everyone is in such a privileged position.
    The greenhouse conditions for using this aircraft (or its similarity) have not yet proved its superiority and the meaning of subsequent dances with tambourines around it. The process of the usual voluntary-forced vparivanie is going on, and not because everyone is delighted with this miracle technique.
    1. spech
      spech 8 March 2021 09: 31
      +1
      It resembles the sale of game consoles, I will sell it 4 times lower than the cost price, then I will beat it off using software.
  32. Kushka
    Kushka 6 March 2021 23: 10
    0
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    anecdote of the Soviet era (in the era before the collapse).

    Climbs into the pub out of line, a hmy who decided to pity the audience and asks - let me in please, I'm premature.
    Here he is a dude, obviously from hard workers - go to * n **, and next to him, the professor is adjusting his pince-nez - yes, yes, for two months. :
    laughing:

    Traditionally (C), three friends go to drink beer every Friday.
    And here is FRIDAY, two are sitting, and a friend has been gone for half an hour.
    And he is a gynecologist, and even a doctor did not come out to replace.
    And now friends are calling - where are you? And in response, in the phone to
    verge of hysteria in .........
    Well, well, well, yes you calm down, well we are waiting for you, J D E M, everything is fine,
    we understand ...
  33. Kushka
    Kushka 6 March 2021 23: 16
    +1
    [quote = Ratmir_Ryazan]Well, then it is all the more unclear why more and more discontent is heard from American politicians. the F-35 program. [/ Quote]
    American politicians are like that.
    One President was almost kicked
    for what for 5 million !!! bought "the most expensive
    refrigerator "(about Alaska). Well, where now
    these politicians?
  34. Outsider
    Outsider 7 March 2021 12: 09
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Don't be afraid of the F-35.
    It is necessary to intensively produce an aircraft that can effectively withstand the F-35.
    This is the Su-57.

    - The Su-57 is not a rival to the F-35. In a duel situation, the F-35 will tear the Su-57 "like a hot water bottle", - 10 times out of 10, 20 times out of 20, 50 times out of 50. You just need to understand ...
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 7 March 2021 15: 47
      +1
      Quote: Outsider
      In a duel situation, the F-35 will tear the Su-57 "like a hot water bottle" - 10 times out of 10, 20 times out of 20, 50 times out of 50.


      Uncle Misha, well, it's too thick.
  35. Outsider
    Outsider 7 March 2021 12: 28
    0
    Quote: Cowbra
    It is strange that not with a chocolate eye)))
    However, I never stop remembering what songs about the F-35 were sung by one sect with six-pointed stars. Nightingales sobbed and hung with envy)))

    - Yes, let at least everyone hang themselves in bulk: the claims of this idiot from the US Congress to the plane - an hour of flight is very expensive. And they think, how to back it up with something for free. But miracles do not happen. Or an aircraft of the 5th generation - but expensive, or cheap - but of the 4th, of which an aircraft of the 5th generation "he covers like a bull - a sheep".
  36. Outsider
    Outsider 7 March 2021 16: 00
    -1
    The F-35 has produced more than 600 aircraft, they fly in 10 countries of the world - how can you compare it with the Su-57 aircraft, the only copy of which still cannot pass military tests ?! How much it is necessary to have no shame, no conscience, no elementary reason to compare them ?!
  37. Outsider
    Outsider 7 March 2021 16: 02
    -1
    Quote: Eye of the Crying
    Quote: Outsider
    In a duel situation, the F-35 will tear the Su-57 "like a hot water bottle" - 10 times out of 10, 20 times out of 20, 50 times out of 50.

    Uncle Misha, well, it's too thick.

    - Nevertheless, it is true. And this is for any stealth versus non-stealth ... No one has yet canceled the main radar formula:

    Bukovka sigma - EPR, there is, and in it the whole root of evil.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 7 March 2021 17: 05
      0
      Yes, the basic formula for radar, remember. It is strange that you have forgotten your own lectures that discovery is a probabilistic process.
      1. Outsider
        Outsider 7 March 2021 22: 32
        0
        - I just haven't forgotten anything and I can recall one significant nuance: in the Air Force and Air Defense of Russia, the range of a specific standard target is given by the detected one with a probability 0.5, and in the corresponding US regulations for radar / radar, the detection range of a standard target is given with the probability 0.86... That, in comparison with Russian standards, will be about 30% less! wink