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The special forces of the Southern Military District received the Sobolyatnik radar and the Fara reconnaissance station

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In the Krasnodar Territory, the Sobolyatnik radar and the Farah short-range reconnaissance station (SBR) were supplied to the special forces of the Southern Military District (YuVO). In total, the commandos will receive 20 sets of new equipment.


This was reported by the press service of the Southern Military District.

The press service notes that the received equipment will allow scouts to track moving and stationary objects, determine their data, detect and track targets against the background of land and water surface.

The Sobolyatnik system is a set of tools that several fighters are able to carry on their own. If necessary, the complex can be quickly assembled and brought into working condition. The radar is capable of detecting moving and stationary targets at a distance of up to 30 kilometers, while determining their characteristics, distinguishing between personnel and equipment. Sobolyatnik is capable of simultaneously tracking up to 20 different objects.

Reconnaissance system "Fara" is designed to guide the easel rifle weapons... She is able to work both in the daytime and in the dark. At the same time, the lack of optical visibility of objects is not an obstacle for it.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 5 March 2021 09: 36
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    "The Sobolyatnik radar station entered the special forces of the Southern Military District"
    I suspect that the locals will call him a little differently
    1. Gato
      Gato 5 March 2021 09: 41
      +1
      And I, too, wonder who comes up with such non-pathetic names?
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 5 March 2021 11: 20
        +1
        Here something else is more interesting:
        1. They gave to the special forces, and no one ever knows about him, where he is and what he is doing, otherwise a tag for treason.
        2. Judging by the number of kits, the special forces will now master the distributed network of collective use (they will be able to cover the target without zeroing in; one howitzer battery for several kilometers of the front).
        3. In the afternoon, launch a dozen drones there and the APU-shniki will be afraid to approach the artillery positions 100 m away.
        1. Gato
          Gato 5 March 2021 11: 29
          +6
          Gave to the special forces

          And I still don't quite understand what the SPN has to do with it. Such complexes are more suitable for regular army reconnaissance, especially artillery.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 5 March 2021 12: 22
            -1
            The reason is simple: NOBODY will get to the bottom of the citizenship of the Armed Forces if it is detected in the territory occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine :: special forces will simply have to destroy witnesses from the Armed Forces.
            You yourself understand that the presence of people in the form of the Russian Federation on enemy territory is interpreted as an occupation, so that the army reconnaissance has nothing to do there, and the combat escort of the device can be carried out not by 1-2 submachine gunners of the combat escort, but also by a whole platoon on car traction with a pair of grenade launchers, snipers , and a dozen Cornets.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 5 March 2021 16: 31
              +2
              But how the hoh-scoundrels from the Armed Forces of Ukraine are minus - they know that they are criminals, and they will definitely go to court as soon as they are caught!
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 5 March 2021 13: 33
            +5
            Quote: Gato
            And I still don't quite understand what the SPN has to do with it.

            Indeed, judging by the text, we are talking about stations working with radiation, and this is unthinkable for special forces groups operating in the deep rear. The RTR company of the special forces brigades had portable radio reconnaissance stations, but their work was not recorded by the enemy counterintelligence agencies. So here something has been heaped up in purpose, and it is not clear to whom all this will go into service. I assume that the reconnaissance battles or other intelligence units of the ground forces.
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 5 March 2021 14: 10
              +2
              Indeed, judging by the text, we are talking about stations working with radiation, and this is unthinkable for groups

              Depends on the nature of the conflict, in 1985-1986, 1 SBR-3 was relied on the OKSVA special forces group (19 officer, 1 sergeants, 3 privates).
              1. Gato
                Gato 5 March 2021 14: 22
                0
                Depends on the nature of the conflict

                Well, yes, we are talking about the Southern Military District, but what could be the nature of the conflict here? The same Ukrainian Armed Forces are not quite Papuans, and the RBU in the active mode at the RDG is like hanging a target on the forehead.
                1. strannik1985
                  strannik1985 5 March 2021 14: 51
                  -1
                  Well, yes, we are talking about YuVO

                  In Chechnya, everyone fought in a row, from marines from the Northern Fleet to the GRU specialists from the Far East. In Syria, it is the same. The nature of the conflict requires a certain approach to weapons, equipment, the size of the group - up to 20-25 people, with various means of reconnaissance, including SBR and PSNR-8M, capable of independently implementing the received intelligence, i.e. RPO, AGS, " Cliff ", with an armored group and gunners somewhere within reach. Easier to collect and send to a used group without Radar than to make a hodgepodge of non-standard funds and forces.
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 5 March 2021 19: 35
                +1
                Quote: strannik1985
                for the group SPN OKSVA

                There was no tough counterintelligence regime of the enemy and radio intelligence units of NATO countries did not work for your group. So in certain situations, you can use such a technique, but on condition that against you there will be a weak enemy in terms of technology.
            2. hydrox
              hydrox 5 March 2021 16: 37
              +1
              These are conventional artillery reconnaissance and counter-battery support stations: how good they are - the next month of application and experimental operation will show.
              Interestingly, and Farah can work together with AGM?
            3. Doliva63
              Doliva63 5 March 2021 16: 57
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              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: Gato
              And I still don't quite understand what the SPN has to do with it.

              Indeed, judging by the text, we are talking about stations working with radiation, and this is unthinkable for special forces groups operating in the deep rear. The RTR company of the special forces brigades had portable radio reconnaissance stations, but their work was not recorded by the enemy counterintelligence agencies. So here something has been heaped up in purpose, and it is not clear to whom all this will go into service. I assume that the reconnaissance battles or other intelligence units of the ground forces.

              And who will deal with this in ORB? Only a surveillance reconnaissance platoon, if one still exists. In the regimental RR SBR and so were, as well as the PSNR. Maybe them. But in no way, of course, in special intelligence.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 5 March 2021 19: 40
                +1
                Quote: Doliva63
                But in no way, of course, in special intelligence.

                Of course, it's easy to hand them over to the enemy if they start working with such means, because they will have data from these stations.
                Quote: Doliva63
                And who will be in charge of this in ORB?

                By and large, there are enough of their own funds, so most likely this equipment will be for regiments of formations of ground forces.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 5 March 2021 21: 31
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                  Quote: ccsr
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  But in no way, of course, in special intelligence.

                  Of course, it's easy to hand them over to the enemy if they start working with such means, because they will have data from these stations.
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  And who will be in charge of this in ORB?

                  By and large, there are enough of their own funds, so most likely this equipment will be for regiments of formations of ground forces.

                  Well, I also hinted about the RR regiments. There seems to be no one else. But, again, I judge by the organizational structure of the 80-90s, and now, maybe, everything is not so. Here just now the local Old Tankman told me that the deep reconnaissance companies had been recreated. The delirium of the reformers has no boundaries. They can shove in the SPN wassat What about? In Chechnya, I remember, the ORR SPN was also used as a GPZ. wassat
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 6 March 2021 18: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    that the deep reconnaissance companies have recreated.

                    In fact, it is this company and the RTR company that must be preserved in the reconnaissance battalion, and the rest as far as possible. It’s strange that they were laid off, I didn’t hear about it - it’s an obvious sabotage to leave the division commander without data that they can get. All the more so if there is no continuous line of contact between troops, as is the case in low-intensity conflicts.
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Well, I was hinting about the RR regiments.

                    I also realized that it might have been developed for them.
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 6 March 2021 19: 03
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                      Quote: ccsr
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      that the deep reconnaissance companies have recreated.

                      In fact, it is this company and the RTR company that must be preserved in the reconnaissance battalion, and the rest as far as possible. It’s strange that they were laid off, I didn’t hear about it - it’s an obvious sabotage to leave the division commander without data that they can get. All the more so if there is no continuous line of contact between troops, as is the case in low-intensity conflicts.
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      Well, I was hinting about the RR regiments.

                      I also realized that it might have been developed for them.

                      My friend, the deep reconnaissance companies were disbanded in the 70s of the last century. Instead, reconnaissance landing companies were created. What is the difference? Deep reconnaissance was on GAZ-69, RDR - without equipment; the composition of the RDR reconnaissance groups is somewhat larger, which has expanded their capabilities; RDR in different theaters were different - there was a purely reconnaissance (consisted of reconnaissance-landing platoons) and there were reconnaissance assault (consisted of reconnaissance-assault groups); formally, the main method of infiltration of reconnaissance groups from the RDR was parachute, in deep reconnaissance there was no VDP; the range of the deep diggers is 75 - 110 km., for the RDR it was increased to 300 km. Therefore, I do not understand this message about the restoration of deep reconnaissance companies - neither in place, nor in meaning. Another thing is to give UAZ-type equipment to the RDR in order to also deliver it by helicopter to the area, but then the number of scouts will fall or you will have to abandon some types of weapons, because the entire reconnaissance group will not fit into it. In general, to my shame, I do not know what is going on in army intelligence now.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 6 March 2021 19: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        In general, to my shame, I do not know what is going on in army intelligence now.

                        I ran into a long-range reconnaissance company already in the eighties, and as far as I remember, they either parachute or walk at a distance of up to 60-100 km. They did not have automobile equipment, motorcycles had already been expelled from the states.
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        at the RDR it was increased to 300 km.

                        I don't know about this, but for such distances they used army special forces companies or brigade groups - these are too long distances and one cannot do without special means of communication.
                        However, now everything has probably changed a lot - I, like you, operate only with past knowledge and common sense.
                      2. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 7 March 2021 19: 26
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        In general, to my shame, I do not know what is going on in army intelligence now.

                        I ran into a long-range reconnaissance company already in the eighties, and as far as I remember, they either parachute or walk at a distance of up to 60-100 km. They did not have automobile equipment, motorcycles had already been expelled from the states.
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        at the RDR it was increased to 300 km.

                        I don't know about this, but for such distances they used army special forces companies or brigade groups - these are too long distances and one cannot do without special means of communication.
                        However, now everything has probably changed a lot - I, like you, operate only with past knowledge and common sense.

                        You got excited about the long-range reconnaissance company in the USSR Armed Forces, there were none. Long-range reconnaissance in the NNA of the GDR was, they had a badge - UAZ under a parachute. A mixture of a deep reconnaissance company and RDR. About 300 km. If you remember, there was such a terribly secret book Fundamentals of Combat Use of Reconnaissance Units and Subdivisions of the USSR Armed Forces, it read like this: RDR - 75-110 km. and up to 300 km. in the interests of the army; ORRSpN - 100-300 km. and in front lines up to 500 km. In the RDR, the R-143 of different versions was the communication tool. The TTX range is just 300 km. But with a good antenna it stably works up to 7 km, therefore it is very popular with shortwave amateurs. Well, something like this drinks
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr 8 March 2021 11: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        You got excited about a long-range reconnaissance company in the USSR Armed Forces, there were none.

                        This I tentatively called the reconnaissance and landing company of the reconnaissance battalions - as it was called, as far as I remember. The word "distant" meant that its groups could operate at the depth of reconnaissance not only of the division, but also of the army.
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        The TTX range is just 300 km. But with a good antenna, it works steadily up to 7 km.,

                        Up to 7000 km, it is unlikely to work steadily, and no one will assign such tasks to a company from a reconnaissance battalion. But this is not the point, but the fact that such a station is not used in special forces units - it is too unreliable, easily detected, and it is too heavy. The station is not bad, but it was used only in the reconnaissance of the divisional link - even in the army special forces company, the R-394K was regular, which was already developed for other types of signals, and less in weight.
                      4. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 9 March 2021 18: 07
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        You got excited about a long-range reconnaissance company in the USSR Armed Forces, there were none.

                        This I tentatively called the reconnaissance and landing company of the reconnaissance battalions - as it was called, as far as I remember. The word "distant" meant that its groups could operate at the depth of reconnaissance not only of the division, but also of the army.
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        The TTX range is just 300 km. But with a good antenna, it works steadily up to 7 km.,

                        Up to 7000 km, it is unlikely to work steadily, and no one will assign such tasks to a company from a reconnaissance battalion. But this is not the point, but the fact that such a station is not used in special forces units - it is too unreliable, easily detected, and it is too heavy. The station is not bad, but it was used only in the reconnaissance of the divisional link - even in the army special forces company, the R-394K was regular, which was already developed for other types of signals, and less in weight.

                        I do not work as a sales manager for the R-143, do not think laughing , only informing about its capabilities. R-394, by the way, is comparable in weight. Here is Severok, that was easier, but the communication range is shorter, it seems.
                        It was not in vain that I referred to the Fundamentals of Combat Use - it excluded the name of intelligence units differently from what is prescribed in the state. That is, if RDR, then nothing else. Although there were exceptions - one or two reconnaissance brigades in the ZabVO (specifically, in Mongolia), but it was very short-lived.
        2. Xscorpion
          Xscorpion 9 March 2021 12: 30
          +1
          Quote: Doliva63
          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: Gato
          And I still don't quite understand what the SPN has to do with it.

          Indeed, judging by the text, we are talking about stations working with radiation, and this is unthinkable for special forces groups operating in the deep rear. The RTR company of the special forces brigades had portable radio reconnaissance stations, but their work was not recorded by the enemy counterintelligence agencies. So here something has been heaped up in purpose, and it is not clear to whom all this will go into service. I assume that the reconnaissance battles or other intelligence units of the ground forces.

          And who will deal with this in ORB? Only a surveillance reconnaissance platoon, if one still exists. In the regimental RR SBR and so were, as well as the PSNR. Maybe them. But in no way, of course, in special intelligence.

          Each reconnaissance company has 3 reconnaissance operators of the SBR. Plus, yes, the ORB also has an RVN.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 9 March 2021 18: 11
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            Quote: Xscorpion
            Quote: Doliva63
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: Gato
            And I still don't quite understand what the SPN has to do with it.

            Indeed, judging by the text, we are talking about stations working with radiation, and this is unthinkable for special forces groups operating in the deep rear. The RTR company of the special forces brigades had portable radio reconnaissance stations, but their work was not recorded by the enemy counterintelligence agencies. So here something has been heaped up in purpose, and it is not clear to whom all this will go into service. I assume that the reconnaissance battles or other intelligence units of the ground forces.

            And who will deal with this in ORB? Only a surveillance reconnaissance platoon, if one still exists. In the regimental RR SBR and so were, as well as the PSNR. Maybe them. But in no way, of course, in special intelligence.

            Each reconnaissance company has 3 reconnaissance operators of the SBR. Plus, yes, the ORB also has an RVN.

            How long have you been from the army, colleague? And then we are here discussing 30 years ago laughing
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 5 March 2021 16: 32
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      "... Such complexes are more suitable for regular army reconnaissance, especially artillery.
      ..."
      - there "more suitable" complexes of PASSIVE (not detected by radiation) ACOUSTIC reconnaissance. - type of the Complex of sound-thermal artillery reconnaissance 1B75 "Penicillin"
      https://topwar.ru/148924-kompleks-zvukoteplovoj-artillerijskoj-razvedki-1b75-penicillin.html
  • Hagen
    Hagen 5 March 2021 09: 44
    +4
    Quote: Maki Avellievich
    I suspect that the locals will call him a little differently

    How this "companion" will be called, probably, will have little effect on his characteristics, but the fact that he is a "thorn in the eye" in an open field can significantly shorten his life. Judging by the size, with 1000-1200 meters for a sniper, hitting him will not be difficult. I hope that in a real situation there is some kind of official disguise for him, but here he is shown in this form purely for a photo. It is not clear in this case the pose of the fighter who is ready to fire.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 5 March 2021 09: 49
      +12
      Quote: Hagen
      that he is a "thorn in the eye" in an open field can significantly shorten his life.

      Immediately I remembered how in the army in the middle of the field the radio relay mast was masked at the request of the general wassat wassat wassat We rolled into the forest, mowed small Christmas trees, tied them to the mast !!! Helicopter pilots then flew such a confusion out of harm's way
    2. Kart
      Kart 5 March 2021 09: 54
      +1
      Quote: Hagen
      but the fact that he is a "thorn in the eye" in an open field can significantly shorten his life.

      And if not in an open field, but in the bushes, for example?
    3. betta
      betta 5 March 2021 10: 19
      +1
      Why should they get so close to the front line? Range up to 30 km.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 5 March 2021 10: 28
        -1
        Quote: betta
        Why should they get so close to the front line? Range up to 30 km.

        Then, that the First World War will not happen again, and, most likely, in promising hostilities, the front line, as such, may not exist. In any case, RDGs are known from the WWII experience. And for them electronic tracking and reconnaissance means are priority targets.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 5 March 2021 11: 01
          -6
          these are unpretentious devices, they will be riveted in hundreds during the war, you will not be enough for such DRGs.
          here it is easier to use RTR to catch the radiation spot and smack it with mortars.
          1. Romario_Argo
            Romario_Argo 5 March 2021 13: 03
            +1
            by means of RTR to catch the place of radiation and smack it there with mortars

            mortars 82 and 120 mm do not have a range of 30 km
            and everything large is even further from the first line
      2. Runway
        Runway 5 March 2021 14: 40
        +3
        Cut the sturgeon three times. laughing 30 km - it is necessary to lift the PI about five meters from the station block.
        In the breeze, trees and bushes give a characteristic hindrance that you cannot find the car (the backgrounds are different in the headphones), although the car is visually detected.
        The headlight is rougher, SDTs (from memory) does not seem to be, manual tracking and range. But simple as a brick, for a group normal machine (up to 3 km) for the steppe-forest-steppe. If someone to plant ...
        In the thickets - both "dead".
    4. Kalmar
      Kalmar 5 March 2021 10: 59
      +2
      Quote: Hagen
      the fact that he is a "thorn in the eye" in an open field can significantly shorten his life

      In theory, it can be covered with something like a camouflage net; It will not interfere with the operation of the radar, but it will reduce the visual visibility. But the enemy means of electronic intelligence can already become a nuisance, yes.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 5 March 2021 09: 41
    +2
    Something is being prepared, however ... As something new or modernized, so in the Southern Military District in the first place. By the way, in the south - Krasnodar, Rostov, Crimea, Astrakhan, Adygea closed the spring hunt. It can't be because of Kovidla anymore. I feel there will be something belay
    1. Civil
      Civil 5 March 2021 10: 27
      0
      Quote: NDR-791
      Something is being prepared, however ... As something new or modernized, so in the Southern Military District in the first place. By the way, in the south - Krasnodar, Rostov, Crimea, Astrakhan, Adygea closed the spring hunt. It can't be because of Kovidla anymore. I feel there will be something belay

      Looking forward to the "Little Victorious War"?
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 5 March 2021 10: 30
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        Looking forward to the "Little Victorious War"?

        If exactly the war, then at the expense of a little I would be careful. Maybe they will come up with something cunning. Well, not out of nowhere such engines.
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 5 March 2021 10: 30
      +3
      spring hunting in Krasnodar and Rostov with Astrakhan has been closed for several years now, so do not worry wink
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 5 March 2021 09: 42
    -5
    Very useful systems. They can work on air and land. For the detection of UAVs, infantry and equipment. It is strange that they do not put on a wheeled chassis. Heavy machine gun + ATGM, coupled with a radar and you have a universal means of reconnaissance and destruction.
    1. betta
      betta 5 March 2021 10: 21
      0
      If you really put it, then on a quieter and more invisible than in the photo.
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 5 March 2021 11: 44
      0
      Put a terminator on the BMPT.
    3. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 5 March 2021 12: 07
      0
      I think not the most successful concept. They shoved something unpicked, just a little, and even on a light chassis.
      Why does he need both an autocannon and a stinger zur, if they overlap each other in range?
      This also includes an active radar, why is it needed if optical-location stations can cope quite well at short distances?
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 5 March 2021 12: 46
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        The photo shows a 30-mm cannon with remotely detonated shells and a Kayot block 2 UAV. Weapons of a completely different class.
        It can be combined as needed.

        Optics have a shorter detection distance, a smaller angle, do not pass through obstacles.
        The radar operates at 360 degrees, overcomes small terrain folds and obstacles (for example, small vegetation or a low hill), the radio horizon is further than the geometric one. It is possible to calculate the trajectory of shells / min and, for example, to calculate the positions of mortars.

        If you don't want to be light, you can go harder. On the L-ATV goes to the KMP, on the Stryker to the Army. There is also on Bradley, but they have not ordered it yet.


        1. Nestor Vlakhovski
          Nestor Vlakhovski 5 March 2021 13: 06
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          The 30mm cannons have an altitude reach of 3500m and 4000m in range, which is quite comparable to MANPADS.
          Combining is a snake with a hedgehog, a deliberately useless business. Only the lazy did not kick the Soviet developers for the creation of rocket-cannon anti-aircraft guns, which caused problems with both shooting and missiles. But that was our rake, and, as you know, people do not learn from other people's mistakes.
          Modern OLS have a detection range of typical targets that significantly exceeds the range of destruction of an autocannon and thermal missiles, where more often everything rests against the terrain.
          Counter-battery warfare should be dealt with by special vehicles.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 5 March 2021 13: 35
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            Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
            The 30mm cannons have an altitude reach of 3500m and 4000m in range, which is quite comparable to MANPADS.

            You wrote the maximum range, at these distances the hit depends on a lot of luck. The effective range is in the region of 1,5-2 km.
            Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
            Only the lazy did not kick the Soviet developers for the creation of rocket-cannon anti-aircraft guns, which caused problems with both shooting and missiles.

            Execution and technology issue. The same Shilka has very decent upgrades with AFAR, modern OLS and missiles from MANPADS. Starting from 30 mm, remote detonation of the projectile is needed.
            Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
            Modern OLS have a detection range of typical targets that significantly exceeds the range of destruction, where more often everything rests against the terrain.

            Modern OLS are beautiful no questions asked. But again, they have a narrow viewing angle, they do not see behind obstacles. Modern threats are sudden and can come from any direction. You need constant 360-degree control. The contrast between OLS and radar is strange, they complement each other, the advantages of one, the disadvantages of the other.
            Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
            Counter-battery warfare should be dealt with by special vehicles.

            It used to be like this, now the world has changed. Battle groups must be versatile, mobile, small. UAVs, saturation with ATGMs (including long-range 25-60 km), advances in radio engineering and electronics, the emergence of highly mobile threats (the same pickup truck with a 120-mm mortar or an MLRS package) changed the rules of the game.
            1. Nestor Vlakhovski
              Nestor Vlakhovski 5 March 2021 14: 23
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              You wrote the maximum range, at these distances the hit depends on a lot of luck. The effective range is in the region of 1,5-2 km.
              I wrote exactly the effective range of 30 mm autocannons, the low probability of hitting one projectile is compensated by the rate of fire + air blast. Even the Zu-23 at 2500m hits quite effectively, despite the smaller tabular range.

              Execution and technology issue.
              In this case, I do not see any "breakthrough in technology", in your pictures there is still the same huge autocannon hung with sensors and missiles. This is not a combat weapon.
              But again, they have a narrow viewing angle, they do not see behind obstacles.
              The narrow field of view is not a problem for the scope / gun control system. The visibility behind obstacles depends on the frequencies, there are many nuances. For example, a thermal imager can “punch” well through foliage and clouds, in contrast to millimeter radars, for which water curtains are a strong obstacle.
              You need constant 360-degree control.
              It is necessary to resolve the issue of a circular view without prejudice to the main characteristics of the technique. The battle groups do not owe anything to anyone, they are faced with tasks that need to be solved.
              It is much better to include a separate radio surveillance machine in the group than to shove radars onto each carriage.
              UAVs, saturation with ATGMs (including long-range 25-60 km), advances in radio engineering and electronics, the emergence of highly mobile threats (the same pickup truck with a 120-mm mortar or an MLRS package) changed the rules of the game
              And you want to cram all this into one "oshkosh"?
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 5 March 2021 15: 23
                +1
                Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
                I wrote exactly the effective range of 30 mm

                Bushmaster has 30 mm 3 km, XM914 1,5 km
                Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
                In this case, I do not see any "breakthrough in technology"

                Then I recommend learning more about the technologies used.
                Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
                The narrow field of view is not a problem for the scope / gun control system.

                I wrote about detection 3 times. The radar is primarily needed for detection.
                Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
                difference of millimeter radars,

                There is a centimeter radar
                Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
                It is necessary to resolve the issue of a circular view without prejudice to the main characteristics of the technique.

                There is no damage. The SHORAD system was created primarily for military air defense against UAVs, everything else is under load. Without radars, UAVs cannot be detected at the required range.
                Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
                The battle groups do not owe anything to anyone, they are faced with tasks that need to be solved.

                That's exactly what they should. Each of them took an oath, in it, the regulations and orders of the commanders indicate what they should do.
                Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
                It is much better to include a separate radio surveillance machine in the group than to shove radars onto each carriage.

                In each it is not necessary to introduce a separate unnecessarily inflate the group. The brigade has specialized vehicles for this. There, the range is greater and the possibilities are wider.
                Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
                And you want to cram all this into one "oshkosh"?

                Where did I write this? If we are talking about light infantry.
                Group / platoon of 7-10 Oshkosh: 1 commander, 1-2 SHORAD, 1-2 reinforcement vehicles (long-range ATGM / UAV / mortars), the rest are "ordinary" MRAPs.
                At mechanized base Stryker, at Panzer Bradley.
                1. Nestor Vlakhovski
                  Nestor Vlakhovski 5 March 2021 16: 54
                  +1
                  Bushmaster has 30 mm 3 km
                  which is somewhat strange, because Soviet-Russian guns with a weaker projectile have a longer range per kilometer. And not in words, but really hit and shoot down. However, this is not the point.
                  XM914 has 1,5 km
                  I do not even consider this low-impulse grenade launcher as an air defense.
                  Then I recommend learning more about the technologies used.
                  What are the technologies? XM914, "stinger" or mobile radar with phased array do you consider "breakthrough"?
                  Radar is primarily needed for detection
                  And I will explain to you again and again that there is not the slightest need to ram the detection radar into the already overloaded Oshkosh.
                  The SHORAD system was created primarily for military air defense against UAVs
                  a low-impulse autocannon coupled with an IR-UV stinger, it's hard to come up with anything worse for dealing with an UAV.
                  If they are so afraid of UAVs, for self-defense they would have gash down a mini phalanx with a minigun.
                  Each of them took the oath
                  oath, duty to the motherland, hardships and deprivation of service ... it's all clear. I was referring to more substantial and specific job responsibilities. The soldier should not be "both a reader, a reaper, and a gamer" to the detriment of everything else.
                  If we are talking about light infantry.
                  the composition of the group is formed based on specific conditions and tasks. In this form, the SHORAD system will rather be a burden.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 5 March 2021 10: 03
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    The army is equipped with technical means of reconnaissance ... this is normal, it is necessary.
    The question of convenience, practicality and efficiency will be decided over time. The main thing is not to slow down the process, progress!
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 5 March 2021 12: 03
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      This is not only reconnaissance, it is also target designation: if three stations simultaneously take 3 bearings for 1 mine (projectile), then the response will be successful in these three bearings even without zeroing.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 March 2021 12: 20
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        It doesn't matter what the name is ... technical means of ensuring combat work.
        One must have in abundance, with good quality and efficiency.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 5 March 2021 10: 08
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    A simple device, a car radar detector on the mirror, detected traffic police radars up to 2 km. There were also active ones when the traffic cops' radars went crazy.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 5 March 2021 10: 15
      +1
      You have described the electronic warfare systems.
      Quote: Free Wind
      detected traffic police radars up to 2 km

      Electronic intelligence.
      Quote: Free Wind
      There were also active ones when the traffic cops' radars went crazy.

      Electronic jamming.
  • AlexeyEg
    AlexeyEg 5 March 2021 10: 26
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    The only frightening thing is that all this massiveness and ponderousness .. As I understand it, the warrior is tied to a thick cable .. and is forced to sit near the radar .. and not sit a hundred meters away .. in the depths of the trench .. and enjoy the wireless interface.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 5 March 2021 11: 02
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      the wireless interface fills in the soldier's location and creates a mortar dream.
      onli wire, and wireless mode is a backup channel.
      1. Gato
        Gato 5 March 2021 11: 23
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        the wireless interface fills in the soldier's location

        And the radar in active mode does not fire anything?
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 5 March 2021 17: 17
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          firing, but it is not necessary to sit right next to her.
    2. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 5 March 2021 11: 44
      +3
      Quote: AlexeyEg
      sit near the radar .. and not sit a hundred meters away .. in the depths of the trench .. and enjoy the wireless interface.

      Funny.
      Crawl away from one transmitter to turn on the other?
      1. vadsonen
        vadsonen 5 March 2021 13: 59
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        Crawl away from one transmitter to turn on the other?

        Yes, orders of magnitude less powerful.
  • Dva parovoza
    Dva parovoza 5 March 2021 10: 47
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    In the photo, soldiers in SSH-40 (Lysvenskaya helmet) - a steel helmet of the 1940 model covered with cloth. Is this a special forces helmet? Companions, Headlights ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 5 March 2021 12: 27
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      On the territory of the LPNR occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is all the same what a militia's helmet will look like, if only without a red star so that the OSCE does not faint. laughing
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 5 March 2021 13: 37
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      Quote: DvaParovoza
      In the photo there are soldiers in SSh-40

      It's funny ... Someone, out of naivety, is still trying to tie a photo to the material ... Not in this life, and not on this resource. yes laughing
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 5 March 2021 11: 40
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    The range is up to 30 km, this is probably to the very horizon.
    And this is a wearable complex.
    And just now we were here discussing the "Testament" on a tractor, with a detection range of tanks of 5-10 km.
    Either the numbers here are written by news authors from the bulldozer. Or I don’t understand something.
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 5 March 2021 12: 14
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      This companion will find a metal airship 200 kilometers away.
      For radars, this concept of "range" is rather arbitrary. Most often, they mean the detection range of typical targets (such as a tank, an aircraft, a ship), but they do it so freely that it is simply impossible for a person to understand the real effectiveness from the outside.
  • Kunica
    Kunica 5 March 2021 12: 13
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    Is it possible to mask it? And then in the photo this is fun for snipers what
    1. uav80
      uav80 5 March 2021 15: 24
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      You can put directly on the machine gun as the CAA do ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 March 2021 12: 21
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    It's good that we got 20 sets, but how much do you really need and not only for them?
  • Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 9 March 2021 12: 27
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    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: Gato
    And I still don't quite understand what the SPN has to do with it.

    Indeed, judging by the text, we are talking about stations working with radiation, and this is unthinkable for special forces groups operating in the deep rear. The RTR company of the special forces brigades had portable radio reconnaissance stations, but their work was not recorded by the enemy counterintelligence agencies. So here something has been heaped up in purpose, and it is not clear to whom all this will go into service. I assume that the reconnaissance battles or other intelligence units of the ground forces.

    Special forces are also involved in counter-terrorism operations. And in Syria, by and large, it is the counter-terrorist operation that takes place. Against the barmaley in the mountains, forests and deserts is the most normal thing. Nobody said that they would land in the rear of the American army with this.