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Competitor of the Russian project: The United States announced the start date of the Overture supersonic passenger airliner

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In the United States, a supersonic civilian airliner is being developed. Recall that some time ago the President of Russia also announced the need to create an aircraft of this type. According to Vladimir Putin, for such a huge country as Russia, it is necessary to create a passenger aircraft that could cover long distances in significantly less time than the existing aircraft spend on flight. At the same time, statements appeared about the possible use of military developments. aviation, as well as taking into account the experience of developing the Tu-144. This supersonic airliner began operating in the USSR in 1975. The Tu-144 made its last flight 22 years ago.


In the United States, a supersonic airliner is being developed under the Boom Supersonic Overture project. It is known that the main investor in this project is AEV (American Express Ventures), a financial company with assets of about $ 200 billion. Development is underway in Denver, where production of these aircraft for commercial flights is planned.

The developers note that the investment has helped them “realize dozens of startups in several directions and will now enable the Overture supersonic airliner project to be realized.

From a statement by a company representative about the timing of the start of operation of the aircraft:

We expect passenger traffic to begin by 2029.

It is known that the American supersonic aircraft will carry up to 88 passengers. Earlier it was reported that he will be able to take on board no more than 44 people. After a financial analysis, they came to the conclusion that in this case, air tickets may be overpriced. To date, the estimate of the average price of a ticket for a flight from Washington to Paris in the event of the implementation of the project corresponds to approximately 2,7 thousand US dollars. Moreover, the time of such a flight will not exceed 4 hours. An ordinary airliner spends an average of 7 hours on such a flight.



It is expected that for the first time the Overture aircraft, which is actually a competitor to the Russian project, will take to the skies for a test flight in 2025. This is a prototype.

At the same time, the company already has preliminary orders for the delivery of a supersonic airliner. In particular, the order came from the Japanese airline Japan Airlines.
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Boom Supersonic
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 5 March 2021 08: 14
    +8
    supersonic airliner designed by Boom Supersonic Overture.
    It seems to me that it won't shoot ...
    will carry up to 88 passengers.
    That is, it is a linear liner.
    Putin, it seems, "wished", on the contrary - a business jet.
    So that all sorts of Abramovichs with Usman's phallometry dealt with the Saudi sheikhs.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 5 March 2021 08: 20
      +15
      Quote: Victor_B
      It seems to me that it won't shoot ...

      We have? They may well. Since the days of the Concorde and the Tu-144, engines have jumped forward greatly in terms of economy and profitability. If it shoots with us, then as Aurus - "upper people" to carry or for sale (but this is unlikely, they will not let us into this market)
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 5 March 2021 08: 50
        +10
        The engines did not jump anywhere, these turboshaft double-circuit ones achieved efficiency, and the turbojets, and supersonic is possible on them, and often only on the fringe, did not jump anywhere and until they jump, look at modern jet fighters.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 5 March 2021 08: 54
          +2
          Quote: Free Wind
          supersonic is possible on them, and often only on fringe, they did not jump anywhere and until they jump,

          What about non-afterburner supersonic? And don't forget that the years are 2025-2029.
          1. Temples
            Temples 5 March 2021 09: 16
            -11%
            Quote: NDR-791
            If it shoots with us, then how can Aurus carry the "upper people" or for sale

            And Maybachs and rolls in the west are bought by workers and collective farmers. wassat

            The plane with supersonic speed will eventually be.

            Our engineers make good planes.
            And the production workers can collect them.

            And the quality of our aircraft is not worse than Boeing.

            We are witnessing the "retraining" of air carriers in Russia.

            And no minuses on VO will stop this process.

            Correct the cuckoo and aeroflot.

            Money in regional transportation. A huge need for fast and cheap transport within the country.

            In Moscow offices they suddenly realized (probably someone suggested, I don't believe in the inspiration of an official whose jo.pa has grown into a chair) that people need to fly not only to Moscow. laughing
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            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon 5 March 2021 10: 32
              +12
              Quote: Temples
              Money in regional transportation. Great need for fast and cheap transport within the country.

              At the expense of cheap, in relation to supersonic, you are clearly excited. I don't think that ordinary passengers will gladly pay triple the price for a ticket, in order to save 3-4 hours of time. Such an aircraft is for a narrow circle, not for mass transportation.
              1. Temples
                Temples 5 March 2021 10: 49
                0
                Quote: Piramidon
                At the expense of cheap, in relation to supersonic, you are clearly excited

                Where did you find me about cheap supersonic? request

                Don't attribute your thoughts to me. wink

                I say that air travel is profitable.

                I am saying that regional air travel can be comparable to the prices of bus tickets.

                In general, air transportation is cheaper than road transportation. It's about passenger transport.

                There is no need to build thousands of kilometers of highways for air travel.

                You can go for a minus up to completely erasing the keyboard and fingers and toes, but air transportation in our vast country is cheaper than automobile transportation.

                Who doubts let them look how many people were transported per year on the AN-2.
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 5 March 2021 13: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Temples
                  Where did you find me about cheap supersonic?

                  I even highlighted this word in your quote. And the article is about a supersonic aircraft, not about the An-2.
            3. bayard
              bayard 6 March 2021 02: 06
              -1
              Quote: Temples
              In Moscow offices they suddenly realized (probably someone suggested, I don't believe in the inspiration of an official whose jo.pa has grown into a chair) that people need to fly not only to Moscow.

              People are unlikely to have to fly on such.
              Only for gentlemen.
              For them, I ordered the Solntseliky supersonic in Kazan.
            4. 3danimal
              3danimal 6 March 2021 20: 47
              0
              We are witnessing the "retraining" of air carriers in Russia.

              What are you speaking about?
          2. mark2
            mark2 5 March 2021 15: 31
            0
            What about non-afterburner supersonic? And don't forget that the years are 2025-2029.

            And in the 60s, with the same rate of development of cosmonautics, we have to grow apple trees on Mars according to the plan.
            And where?
            1. Mini Mokik
              Mini Mokik 5 March 2021 17: 03
              -1
              In the 80s, they realized that there was nothing to do there yet. The race is over, and pouring super loot into space is beyond the power of even amers. There are plenty of problems on earth. Some individuals do not want to democratize paanimaaaeeesh.
              1. mark2
                mark2 5 March 2021 18: 53
                -2
                There are enough problems on earth


                Correctly. and all the problems in the World are created by those who do not want to engage in the development of civilization and at the same time spend hundreds of billions on the maintenance and armament of armies. The whole world is 7 billion aggressive degenerates without exception.
        2. keeper03
          keeper03 5 March 2021 10: 16
          -2
          This is a utopia for civilian liners! The capitalists will hang themselves for fuel and money! fool
        3. bayard
          bayard 6 March 2021 02: 00
          0
          Quote: Free Wind
          The engines did not skip anywhere, these turboshaft double-circuit ones achieved efficiency, and turbojets, and supersonic is possible on them, and often only on the frigate,

          Do not skip, say?
          Let's take a look at this very American super sonic. On the picture .
          What do we see?
          The glider is similar to the Tu-144 and Concorde, but without a drooping nose (now you can poke video cameras everywhere) and four engines.
          What are they going to put there?
          Surely the engine from the F-35, which has a maximum non-afterburner thrust of 13 tp.
          Will it be enough?
          Quite.
          We look by analogy. The "Concorde" had four 15,75 tons of thrust (if memory did not change) and was quite enough. And this plane will be one and a half times lighter ... or 30 percent.
          And this thrust (13 tons each) WITHOUT afterburner.
          The cost of tickets for such liners will always be very expensive, but this also saves time.
          If you fly from the United States to Europe for only 4 hours, then you can rush there in one day, do all the work (meeting, negotiations, signing a contract, inspection, shopping) and come back.
          The rich and the busy always have their own quirks. request
          And for our hypothetical "business jet" for 20 - 24 passengers (or 8 people in the VIP version), in this case, there is also a niche - sheikhs would rather buy a business jet than a liner ... Or both.
          And we also have such an engine on the way - "Product-30" for the second stage of the Su-57.
          And the above-mentioned businessjet can be executed on TWO such engines.
          Moreover, our engine turns out to be noticeably (one and a half times) lighter than the American one.
          With the same traction characteristics.
          The question remains as to the adequacy of the design personnel for such a project.
          And demand in the domestic market.
          But if the sheikhs do pay (for the development, as negotiations with the Emirates were carried out), then the supersonic businessjet will still find its niche in the market.
        4. ironic
          ironic 6 March 2021 03: 07
          0
          Have a non-boost super cruise wink
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 5 March 2021 09: 10
        +2
        will not let us into this market)
        who would suggest to the Kremlin that the "market" can be created by ourselves.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 5 March 2021 09: 11
          +2
          Quote: Gardamir
          who would suggest to the Kremlin that the "market" can be created by ourselves.

          So they have two concepts - fit or do not fit. request
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 6 March 2021 20: 39
          0
          How? To produce only for our oligarchs?
      3. loki565
        loki565 5 March 2021 09: 52
        +6
        As a business budget, yes, but not as a regular liner. Few people are willing to pay twice as much for a ticket that saves 1-2 hours of flight. Even without afterburner, such engines are very voracious.
        1. vadsonen
          vadsonen 5 March 2021 14: 09
          0
          Few are willing to pay twice as much for a ticket

          The main income of airlines on intercontinental flights comes from business class passengers. These tickets also cost several thousand euros.
          saved 1-2 hours of flight

          Not one or two hours, but 2-3 times. In one day, you can fly "there", do things, and "back." True, it may depend on the direction, otherwise you will have to do things at night.
          1. loki565
            loki565 5 March 2021 14: 23
            0
            Do not confuse business jets with passengers who fly in the same plane as others, only in more comfortable conditions. The US project will be smaller than the Concorde, which means fewer passengers and more expensive tickets. As for the speed, it is also not so simple, they will switch to supersonic already on the echelon far from cities. No one wants to listen to the claps from which the glass rings throughout the house, Concordes usually already switched to supersonic over the sea.
            1. bayard
              bayard 6 March 2021 02: 25
              -1
              Quote: loki565
              ... The US project will be smaller than the Concorde, which means fewer passengers and more expensive tickets.

              Will it be much smaller?
              Initially "Concordes" were produced with two salons for 108 passengers. Subsequently, the salons were modernized for 100 passengers.
              And the American super sonic will carry 88 passengers.
              So it is not much less.
              But his engines will most likely be from the F-35 in a derated version (without afterburners) with a thrust of 13 tf. (the "Concorde" - 16,9 tf at afterburner and 14,2 tf max. without afterburner) and that they will be noticeably more economical than the Concord ones, there is no doubt.
              And the speed of this will be slightly lower.
              And there are already pre-orders for these aircraft.
              So it will fly.
      4. orionvitt
        orionvitt 5 March 2021 13: 05
        -4
        Quote: NDR-791
        They may well

        They won’t get a shit, don’t flatter yourself. Your holy faith in America cannot. They did not fire a supersonic airliner in the 70s, when the states were at the peak of their technological power, all the more so it will not work now. World air transportation has fallen catastrophically, Boeing is idle, airlines are incurring huge losses, and do you piously believe that someone will make an overly expensive plane with overly expensive tickets for it? Moreover, in the context of the deepening financial crisis. Well, nothing, blessed is the one who believes. laughing
    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra 5 March 2021 08: 32
      +2
      Quote: Victor_B
      So that all sorts of Abramovichs with Usman's phallometry dealt with the Saudi sheikhs.

      In no other version will a supersonic airliner take off in principle - and nowhere. Therefore, the Concordes were half-empty and flew. and they were not taken off the line because of the crash.
      Even with business jets, I doubt very much that the plane will pay off. Now, in general, air travel is in crisis
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 5 March 2021 08: 52
        +1
        If the leaders of the epidemic press the Off button, aviation will be revived.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 5 March 2021 08: 55
          0
          Not. Civil aviation pays off with significant volumes of the aircraft sales market, while the domestic Russian market is extremely small. The rest of us are stupidly not allowed. In the USSR, the market was several orders of magnitude wider, and as far as I remember. the civil aviation industry actually worked there for profitability
          1. Temples
            Temples 5 March 2021 09: 07
            +3
            Quote: Cowbra
            Not. Civil aviation pays off with significant aircraft sales market

            Airbus spends 1 grams per thousand km for the carriage of 19 passenger.

            Count it.

            Aviation is a highly profitable business.

            Americans fly, fly and fly again.

            Fly faster and cheaper.

            Modern Aeroflot and other carriers in Russia are simply ripping off the population.
            However, so are the bankers.

            And talking about the crisis in air travel is for the poor.
            1. ANB
              ANB 5 March 2021 09: 28
              0
              ... Modern Aeroflot and other carriers in Russia are simply ripping off the population.

              But a ticket for Russian Railways is comparable in price or even more expensive. So people fly at full speed even at such prices.
              You can save money only by car / bus.
              1. Temples
                Temples 5 March 2021 11: 06
                +3
                Quote: Temples
                Airbus spends 1 grams per thousand km for the carriage of 19 passenger.

                of course 1km. laughing

                As a result, about 1000 liters of kerosene per 2 km.

                The amount of fuel for the transportation of one body in a car for such a distance in a passenger car will be higher.

                5 people in their own car with 10 liters will not go far.

                Do not forget that for a trip to this very thousand km, you need to build a highway this very 1000 km long.
                And do not forget that every 5 years (maximum) this very road needs to be covered with asphalt again.

                The plane allows you to get away from constant investments in the road.

                With the state approach, air transportation in our country is more profitable.
                This is for those who measure everything with dough.

                And I will remind the rest of the accessibility for citizens of all the territory of our homeland.
                Only aviation makes it possible to visit Kamchatka from Volzhansk.
                If aviation becomes not a means of stripping, but a means of communication.
                1. ANB
                  ANB 5 March 2021 11: 39
                  0
                  ... As a result, about 1000 liters of kerosene per 2 km.

                  Who did you answer? I received a notification.
                  1. Temples
                    Temples 5 March 2021 12: 21
                    0
                    Myself)))
                    I quarreled with arithmetic today. wassat

                    I can’t multiply 0,02 by a thousand.

                    In general, European airbuses spend 20 liters of kerosene on the transportation of one passenger per thousand km.

                    Cars are now cheaper, because the greed of air carriers is off the charts.

                    But the start of collecting money on the freeways will soon equalize the cost of travel by private car and by plane.



                    It's time to rest. wassat drinks soldier hi laughing
                    1. ANB
                      ANB 5 March 2021 13: 53
                      +1
                      ... Cars are now cheaper, because the greed of air carriers is off the charts.

                      And I only supplemented you, not argued.
                      The greed of air carriers comes from the greed of Russian Railways.
                      Therefore, people fly with such prices. And there are places where, except for an airplane, you cannot get by anything.
                      We take the resorts of the Azov Sea. Like Kuchugura. A family of 5, going on headscarves.
                      The cheapest is by car.
                      Then there is a plane.
                      The train costs the same, but it takes a long time, and still get there from Anapa.
                      If you two, it's easier on the plane.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 5 March 2021 14: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: ANB
                        A family of 5, going on handkerchiefs.
                        The cheapest is by car.

                        And if you were transporting someone else's family, how much would you charge them?
                      2. ANB
                        ANB 5 March 2021 14: 56
                        +1
                        ... And if you were transporting someone else's family, how much would you charge them?

                        I wouldn't even take it.
                        I made the calculations for myself, based on the fact that the car is still there.
                        In the absence of a car, I would fly by plane.
                        Although the bus is cheaper, it is difficult to travel with children.
                        It already depends on the budget.
                        We got to Abkhazia by plane.
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 5 March 2021 15: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: ANB
                        I wouldn't even take it.

                        It's just a question of cost. You yourself understand that this is unprofitable. For your loved ones, yes, you can sit behind the wheel for a couple of days, wiping your pants and rubber, and if you count everything to a penny, from the driver's salary to the maintenance and repair of the car, then it doesn't really work out.
                      4. ANB
                        ANB 5 March 2021 16: 12
                        0
                        ... It's just a question of cost. You yourself understand that this is unprofitable. For your loved ones, yes, you can sit behind the wheel for a couple of days, wiping your pants and rubber, and if you count everything to a penny, from the driver's salary to the maintenance and repair of the car, then it doesn't really work out.

                        I proceed from the fact that the car is already there and the costs are already being spent on it.
                        And that we are going ourselves.
                        Buying a car to travel south or hiring a taxi is certainly not profitable.
      2. Cowbra
        Cowbra 5 March 2021 09: 32
        +1
        Quote: Temples
        Count it.

        First you need to calculate what is needed to produce the liner! Count the design research institutes, count the factories, which need to be fed by CONSTANT sales of products - not "19 grams per passenger", but to sell planes somewhere constantly! "Count" ... Atas, trees.
        And the "highly profitable business" - you also count, where is the "highly profitable" bombardier now? Ah nafig closed, went bankrupt and his remains are overbought? Embraer is also in fact bankrupt, now they are getting out of their way. to buy them Boeing, but only Boeing itself is close to bankruptcy.
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        1. Revolver
          Revolver 5 March 2021 11: 05
          0
          Quote: Cowbra
          Where is the "high-yielding" bombardier now? Ah nafig closed, went bankrupt and his remains are overbought?

          They were overbought by Airbus, and they are successfully producing aircraft.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Aviation#Current
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 5 March 2021 11: 27
            0
            Why are they overbought?
            ombardier is on the verge of bankruptcy, divested of its assets and exits from many sectors, leaving behind only business aviation.

            That's all "high yield"
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 5 March 2021 19: 40
              0
              They renamed one of the series of passenger aircraft to Airbus 220 and continue to produce. Another series with all the giblets was bought by the Japanese, specifically Mitsubishi, and they also continue to produce. So, when this bruhaha with the virus, due to which they practically stopped flying, ends, airlines will rush to buy planes, and some will have a lot of profits.
  2. orionvitt
    orionvitt 5 March 2021 13: 35
    0
    Quote: Pereira
    If the leaders of the epidemic press the Off button, aviation will be revived.

    As for the epidemic, you rightly said, but as for aviation, you got excited. The epidemic is not in itself, it simply reflects and covers the economic situation in the world. The good times of consumer capitalism are over. Living in debt, Western capitalism, through cheap loans, ate the entire economic resource base for decades to come. For which several generations of their children will pay with their standard of living. And here they tell us about some kind of super expensive liner, which, in fact, is not needed by anyone. Is that for the sake of the most beloved fun in America. Arrange a PR campaign, strengthen the company's capitalization and, as a result, cut money, with zero exhaust at the end.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 5 March 2021 18: 05
    0
    Therefore, the Concordes were half-empty and flew.

    Well, this is far from always, but the fact that he was thoroughly subsidized, not profitable, is true.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 5 March 2021 09: 00
    +18
    Quote: Victor_B
    Putin, it seems, "wished", on the contrary - a business jet.

    He has already completed the 2020 program, so all other things will remain in the category of good wishes.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 5 March 2021 08: 24
    +1
    The question is, is this an experiment or will there be something practical, necessary?
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 5 March 2021 08: 32
      +2
      If it was necessary, they would have done it long ago, if the experiment, then who pays for the banquet?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 March 2021 09: 12
        0
        Those. You shouldn't expect a commercial success of the event?
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 5 March 2021 09: 38
          0
          In my opinion, no.
    2. Azimuth
      Azimuth 5 March 2021 08: 42
      +2
      Again, there is a restriction on supersonic sound over territories, a sharp change in the ticket price on the price of oil, dependence on the readiness to accept and operate the airport ... Few will be released. Niche airplane.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 March 2021 09: 15
        +3
        An airplane for rich Buratin ... for a rush, all sorts of different?
        Only twice as fast, at a limited distance ... as it does not look very cool.
        1. dauria
          dauria 5 March 2021 10: 10
          +2
          Only twice as fast


          Add a couple of hours to drive from city to airport and check-in. Plus baggage claim and a ride from the airport to the city. And also such a factor as time zones. Either arrive at night, or you have to fly out at night. In total, on the Moscow-Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk route, the time saving will come out in no time, but the money ...
          In general, any of the business trip (not to mention the usual) will work on the day of departure - arrival? And who will need these "saved" 4 hours in the air.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 March 2021 10: 38
            0
            It's a familiar thing, time zones are a cool topic.
            It is clear that flights are very far, at acceleration, the effect of some time saving will have ... but at the expense of long flights, no one even dreamed of. Nobody will refuel them in the air before, otherwise nothing, for now.
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 5 March 2021 19: 47
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          An airplane for rich Buratin ... for a rush, all sorts of different?
          Only twice as fast, at a limited distance ... as it does not look very cool.

          But all sorts of presidents and prime ministers, especially the banana republics, will line up. The prices for the plane and tickets are not for them, they still pay not with their own money, but with the state ones, and such an airplane looks much cooler than, say, another trick the size of a soup plate on the chest.
      2. loki565
        loki565 5 March 2021 09: 57
        +2
        So they immediately announced that this is a businessjet, too expensive and capricious bird for the mass consumer.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 March 2021 08: 36
    +3
    And why are these two planes competitors, one (American) for the rich, and ours will obviously be for the super-rich, if the consortium merges with the UAE.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 5 March 2021 08: 37
    -4
    save the Concorde ................................................ ......... are the Chinese lagging behind?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 March 2021 08: 50
    -3
    laughing Parrots We already had one.
  • Dimide
    Dimide 5 March 2021 09: 04
    -1
    It seems to me that it will not come up.
    Recently I read that the US Department of Defense is going to conclude an agreement with Musk for logistics services for the transportation of military equipment.
    These are the only passenger ships, the future is
  • Your stranger
    Your stranger 5 March 2021 09: 05
    +7

    It is expected that for the first time the Overture aircraft, which is actually a competitor to the Russian project, will take to the skies for a test flight in 2025. This is a prototype.

    Is there where to read about the Russian project?
  • prior
    prior 5 March 2021 09: 09
    +7
    And what, without a supersonic toy for the oligarchs?
    Maybe we will finally bring the new "maize" to serial production?
  • U-58
    U-58 5 March 2021 09: 17
    0
    It seems that this is not the case when there is a need for competition.
    Such airplanes will not be massive and the traffic flow will be very limited.
    Unless the next Arab sheikh will buy himself a plane for show-off.
    Where it is more urgent to develop local airlines and mid-range flights on devices such as Il-114 / Tu-334 and An-2/3 / Baikal.
    At least commercial success is guaranteed here.
    1. loki565
      loki565 5 March 2021 10: 03
      +1
      There is definitely no future for the Tu 334, it was blinded from what it was and it was already at the design stage losing to modern liners, when it was understood that the project was canceled.
      1. U-58
        U-58 5 March 2021 11: 31
        -2
        I meant a niche, but not a specific model.
        However, I note that the Iu-334 was blinded very well. In addition, they were embodied in gland with very good performance characteristics.
        But for the sake of the Kremlin "innovators" and the lobby from the Su firm, a kind of "super" began to be made.
        Or do you also think that from "super"?
        1. loki565
          loki565 5 March 2021 12: 03
          -1
          I meant a niche, but not a specific model.
          However, I note that the Iu-334 was blinded very well. In addition, they were embodied in gland with very good performance characteristics.
          But for the sake of the Kremlin "innovators" and the lobby from the Su firm, a kind of "super" began to be made.
          Or do you also think that from "super"?

          In terms of flight performance characteristics, the superjet is several times better than the Tu334. An outdated wing was installed on Tu334, it was originally designed for the D-236 engine, which was never built, as a result, what was installed. With a T-shaped tail unit and engines at the back, he a priori lost to all modern liners. By the way, if you count on the modern course for the development of Tu334, they spent a billion dollars and the result is zero. They spent half on the superjet and put the plane into production.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 March 2021 09: 19
    +1
    The question of profitability in the West is no less acute ... and it does not fit into mass transportation. In any case, everything that is designed in this format is Business jets.
    1. ANB
      ANB 5 March 2021 09: 36
      0
      Yes, everything will rest against profitability.
      Fly 7 hours 30 minutes for 22 thousand rubles or 4 hours (less than 2 times faster) for 2.7 thousand bucks.
      For whom 3 hours of savings can pay off for that kind of money?
      Only for those who fly business jets.
      1. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 5 March 2021 09: 44
        0
        You did not mention the need to get to the airfield and back, about the dependence on the weather, wait at the airport, about the primitive availability of airfields capable of receiving and servicing this aircraft ...
        1. ANB
          ANB 5 March 2021 09: 52
          +1
          ... You did not mention the need to get to the airfield and back,

          Well, here I was comparing the prices of an ordinary liner and the planned supersonic one. Passing expenses will be there and there.
          Comparison of airplanes with other modes of transport is a separate topic.
          Until 8 o'clock, I prefer the train. It is often more expensive though.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 5 March 2021 13: 58
        0
        There are examples in the competition between airplanes and high-speed trains
  • iouris
    iouris 5 March 2021 10: 16
    -1
    Supersonic flights of passenger aircraft over the United States were banned. Something has changed? I don’t think so. The safety level of such an aircraft will be lower, and the life cycle cost, especially of a Russian one (due to engines), will be higher. Therefore, I do not think that the demand for such liners will be great.
  • svoit
    svoit 5 March 2021 12: 13
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    Quote: loki565
    Few people are willing to pay twice as much for a ticket that saved 1-2 hours of flight

    On long routes, the savings can be up to 12 hours, and the cost is 1.5 times higher, but you will have to tinker with the engines
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 5 March 2021 17: 28
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      “Maybe 12 o'clock” - what is the distance to fly? 20 km? Are there such planes?
  • svoit
    svoit 5 March 2021 12: 19
    +1
    Quote: dauria
    In general, any of the business trip (not to mention the usual) will work on the day of departure - arrival?

    Associate professor will make
  • akshor
    akshor 5 March 2021 13: 00
    -2
    To be honest, the idea of ​​Putin on a plane for the oligarchs is a utopia. For such things, you need a name. I would still understand if SSJ and MC-21 made a positive reputation in the market, and then this project would follow. And so ... for the servants, the effect is zero, or rather, only taxpayers' money is spent. And the exhaust is zero. There is no question if the oligarchs were engaged in the project, who are like businessmen, and paid for the development from their own pockets.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 March 2021 16: 31
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      So the UAE will finance the Russian supersonic business.
      1. iouris
        iouris 5 March 2021 20: 26
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        They will give money on certain conditions, which will have to be completed on time (deadline). Life cycle cost will be negotiated. Therefore, the project will be very unprofitable.
  • eklmn
    eklmn 5 March 2021 17: 38
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    "Competitor of the Russian project"
    Sounds nice! The editorial staff will not die of modesty!
    There can be competition, if the planes are of the same class, if they are different, then this is not competition. But there is another amersky project where Russia can be a competitor to him if it catches up!
    The American company Aerion is creating its AS2 business class superjet for 12 people. The speed is 1,6M and the range is 8,800km. Development costs $ 4bn and trials will begin this year. The company is so confident in the implementation of the project and the requirements of the market that, even before the start of testing, it began construction of a plant for the production of aircraft in the amount of 300 in 10 years (about 500 in total) at a price of $ 120 million each.
    Created by digital modeling and blown through a pipe, where air was pumped with water from a hydroelectric power plant (see movie)
    https://aerionsupersonic.com/as2/
    But Russia needs to be prepared for the noise characteristics of the aircraft.
    Concorde flew to New York once a week, because the noise of the engines, you see, disturbed the inhabitants of the Parisian suburbs. And Concorde never flew deep into the United States, only to NY, because of the gentle amers who hate noise.
    If Russia creates a business class only for domestic flights, then it will be cheaper, because there is no need to bother with engine noise during takeoff / landing / sound_barrier - no one will complain, and if they do, they will quickly be gagged. Well, if you fly abroad, then immediately problems ...
  • fa2998
    fa2998 5 March 2021 19: 16
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    Quote: Victor_B
    Putin, it seems, "wished"

    It's not Putin's business to wish for! Aircraft designers have to work on the orders of air carriers. And pay. Are there orders? Like a market in the yard. Or again, let's bury tens of billions of budget rubles. We will create a super duper plane that has no analogues that no one needs. hi
  • slavinsk
    slavinsk 5 March 2021 19: 39
    +1
    Judging by their observations, in the Russian Federation over the past decades, they can create only a glider but with imported filling, which they may not get if they do not fulfill certain conditions (which are disadvantageous to us). It's just ridiculous that this is being discussed in all seriousness.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 5 March 2021 20: 11
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    Quote: Piramidon
    to save 3-4 hours of time.

    An hour (and more often) to and from the airport, plus you need to arrive at check-in 2 hours in advance, all passengers will have to receive their luggage, no matter what they were flying. think about it. hi
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 5 March 2021 21: 44
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      Business jet works past registration.
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 5 March 2021 21: 43
    0
    We are waiting for the next "PERSPECTIVE PROJECT".
  • Avior
    Avior 5 March 2021 22: 34
    +1
    which is actually a competitor to the Russian project
    is there such a project at all?

    As for a supersonic airliner, there must be very specific conditions for the project to pay off, first of all, a long non-stop flight distance, special conditions for handling and servicing passengers.
    since in reality the departure takes 3 hours, after the flight it will take another hour to reach the destination.
    The result is not 4 and 7, but 8 and 11, which makes a big difference.
    PS writing posts turned into torment, often buggy
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 5 March 2021 22: 39
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    Quote: Free Wind
    The engines did not jump anywhere, these turboshaft double-circuit ones achieved efficiency, and the turbojets, and supersonic is possible on them, and often only on the fringe, did not jump anywhere and until they jump, look at modern jet fighters.

    Well, what about the fact that modern fighters, and not only, achieve supersonic sound in a boomless mode?
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 5 March 2021 23: 00
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    In our country, there is no need for such a passenger plane. A business jet is also not an option, the plane for our thieves, sorry oligarchs, by definition must be Western in order to fly there and be serviced without hindrance.

    For government officials, well, also clearly not for the president and the country's top leadership.

    In the USSR, modifications of the Su-27UB were used to solve a number of specific problems. If there is a need for such an aircraft now, then we have an even better option - the Su-34. Having removed the armor, part of the combat systems, leaving the refueling system in the air, and plugging in the latest engines developed for the Su-57, I think it is possible to get a supersonic aircraft better than the Su-27 / -30 for solving certain tasks, which, moreover, will be refueled in the air, yes and will be able to land on many airfields at the expense of its chassis.
    If you fantasize and admit the option of a four-seater cockpit for the Su-34, i.e. 2 pilots and 2 passengers, then "cheap and cheerful" we get the desired supersonic government plane.
  • 123456789
    123456789 5 March 2021 23: 21
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    Quote: Temples
    Only aviation makes it possible to visit Kamchatka from Volzhansk.

    1. 123456789
      123456789 6 March 2021 00: 47
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      Recall that some time ago, the President of Russia also announced the need to create an aircraft of this type. According to Vladimir Putin, for such a huge country as Russia, it is necessary to create a passenger aircraft that could cover long distances in significantly less time than the existing aircraft spend on flight. At the same time, statements appeared about the possible use of military aviation developments, as well as taking into account the experience of developing the Tu-144. This supersonic airliner began operating in the USSR in 1975. The Tu-144 made its last flight 22 years ago.

      Back! To the future laughing
      Cho really bother with supersonic there - you give hypersound! He took off from Plesetsk on Vanguard and in half an hour glided to Vostochny. soldier