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"The Russians will go wherever they want": a Polish general on the threat of the "Kaliningrad fortified area"

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In Soviet times, the forces stationed in the Kaliningrad region were intended for the landing of troops on the Jutland peninsula, the blockade of the Danish straits for fleet NATO, as well as to cover and support landings. However, in modern realities, they are directed "to the heart of Europe."


"Kaliningrad fortified area"


The Kaliningrad region has always played a key role in the political and military strategy of the former USSR and now Russia. This is the Russian foothold in Europe. Gateway to the Baltic Sea and the Polish Lowlands, giving access to Central and Western Europe

- warns of the "threat" Polish general of the armored forces Waldemar Skshipchak.

According to him, in the initial phase of the conflict, the 11th Army Corps and the main forces of the Baltic Fleet stationed in the Kaliningrad fortified area are called upon to block NATO troops from land, sea and air, thereby supporting the actions of the 6th Army in the Baltic. After its capture, the Kaliningrad group will concentrate on the southern part of the Baltic Sea, in particular on the Polish coast, while the main strike forces will approach from the east.

The NATO military leadership stubbornly preaches the concept of the need to strengthen the Baltic states by deploying significant forces on their territory. I don't think this is a well thought-out strategy.

- believes the general, indicating that here the alliance will face superior forces, including the 1st tank army, troops of the Kaliningrad defense region (KOR) and the armed forces of Belarus.



"Russians will go wherever they want"


The 6th Russian army, interacting with the Baltic Fleet, will take 2-4 days to capture the Baltic. Forces deployed in this relatively narrow area (operational depth 180-230 km) will be quickly deprived of support and broken

- Skshipchak thinks, concluding that "the Isthmus of Suwalk, demonized by American and Polish experts, has no operational significance," since "Russians will not look at the political map and outlines of the border between Poland and Lithuania."

They will simply go through the area they choose, that is, wherever they want.

According to the general, the combat potential of the KOR should not be underestimated. In addition to deployed units and their reinforcement (in particular, due to the formation of a new 18th motorized rifle division), the equipment stored in warehouses allows the formation of at least 2 motorized brigades and 2-3 tank regiments. In addition, the grouping can be quickly strengthened by the transfer of personnel and equipment by sea and air.

The forces deployed in the KOR are undoubtedly significant given the small potential of NATO forces in Eastern Europe. This should prompt the leadership of the alliance to take actions aimed at at least equalizing the military potential in the region.

- the Polish general concludes.

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  1. Graz
    Graz 5 March 2021 05: 26
    +5
    Scandalous, however, this Polish general
    https://aif.ru/politics/world/pripudrivanie_g_pochemu_polskiy_general_skshipchak_nedovolen_tankami
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 5 March 2021 05: 53
      +6
      It seems that this is no longer a general, but a woman with low social responsibility ...
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2021 06: 28
        +10
        Skripals' cat walks around Europe !!!
        The logic at the level of the textbook on Nature Studies for grade 3 suggests that he will invade Poland from the side of Germany! Considering that today is the 5th day of spring and March, it will multiply intensively! So, Pan General, are you ready to realize in a couple of months that your beloved kysa has received Trotsky-Five of cute fluffy lumps from a pro-Ouss spy, saboteur and scout? By the way, the invading “native Polish” is definitely not from Kaliningrad? laughing
        So the choice you Poles is not great, shovels in hand and forward to dig anti-tank ditches around the perimeter.
        1. zenion
          zenion 5 March 2021 21: 41
          +3
          Kote Pan Kohanka. Anti-tank ditches must also be dug into the sea. So that the tanks could not pass there, you need to launch crocodiles of all breeds into the ditches. They will bite off the tracks of the tanks, those that are worse will bend the barrels of the guns. Along the banks, pass the wire along which to let the tigers and rats.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 March 2021 05: 42
            -1
            Quote: zenion
            They will bite off the tracks of the tanks, those that are worse will bend the barrels of the guns.

            good
            To be honest, I'm even afraid to imagine what they can do. Although the tendency of the retired generals to speak is clearly traced - apparently the pension was not invented for nothing!
      2. figwam
        figwam 5 March 2021 06: 34
        +6
        After a shameful loss in the exercises in 5 days, they will beg for the transfer of even more NATO troops and equipment to their territory.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 5 March 2021 18: 24
          0
          Quote: figvam
          and equipment to their territory.

          so they were offered to buy an American BBT (Abrams, Bradleys, etc.), tk. it is not profitable to take it back to the states, but the Baltic states have no money for it, the Germans have their own ...
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 5 March 2021 12: 48
      0
      This general does not suit us, first of all, because he is not at all (oh) chok, unlike most other Polish commanders - if there were more of them in the Polish army, we would have had more difficulty butting with psheks. But he IN THE WHOLE assesses the situation competently and truthfully - these are not staff exercises riding on Bradley.
      By the way, at the headquarters exercises 2 weeks ago, the Poles admitted that they were defeated in 5 days (oh, five days !?)
      1. Machito
        Machito 5 March 2021 13: 09
        +1
        It seems to me that in those 2 days when they will capture the Tribaltika, the Kaliningrad group will reach Warsaw. I hope that the Old Man at this time will not sit idly by and will regain the territories that were historically part of White Russia.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 5 March 2021 13: 33
          -1
          It is unlikely to capture the Baltic states: poor, ruined and without resources, because for us today it does not represent any strategic interest (as well as for NATO!).
          And we only need a piece from Poland (even if in the form of a demilitarized zone 180 x 180 km) - to move its borders away from the Kaliningrad exclave.
          1. zenion
            zenion 5 March 2021 21: 44
            +1
            So they also ask to be taken back to feed.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 6 March 2021 11: 01
              0
              It would be less if they were tearing our pants for these 30 years, then it would be possible to talk - if we could rent Tribalt ports (or buy), then it would be possible not to invest trillions in Ust-Luga, but to invest them in social services and in the plundered FIU, so that there are no budget holes, and the function was like that of minke whales. At the same time, the internal turnover would be fed (our financiers, however, do not care about this ...)
            2. Moore
              Moore 7 March 2021 07: 03
              0
              Taking a territory for feeding, which is systematically turning into a regular eco-corner of Europe, is to step on the same rake again. Only a cordon sanitaire with a loyal government.
    3. Siberian54
      Siberian54 6 March 2021 12: 27
      +1
      Not! Well, let them spend money on a war where the Russian Federation will not come again, this is their problem!
  2. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 5 March 2021 05: 50
    +16
    Ah yes Pushkin! Ah yes son of a bitch!
    I painted everything, painted everything! Talent is Napoleon level 80.

    I remember how the Polish nobility rolled balls in honor of the arrival of the same Napoleon. We were glad that Napoleon had come and now, now, as soon as they were zhahnut across Russia and Poland, they would get a huge fat piece. Only in Napoleon's plans Poland was not included for some reason ...

    And Pilsudski back in 1934 with Hitler signed ABSOLUTELY the same Non-Aggression Pact (Neurath-Lipski Pact) as the USSR five (!) Years later and from which, as the Poles NOW believe, the Second World War began.
    And more
    On August 31, 1937, the General Staff of the Polish Army adopted a secret directive that assigned the Polish army the task of destroying "any Russia", regardless of the political system and the dominant ideology.

    11 November 1938 held a military parade in Warsaw, dedicated to the annexation of Czechoslovak lands to Poland. Then the whole world was spread around the photograph of the friendly handshake of Marshal of Poland Edward Rydz-Smigly and the German military attache of Colonel Bogislav von Studnitz, which was intended to demonstrate the active military-political cooperation of the two states.

    Polish Foreign Minister Jozef Beck did not hide his ambitious plans to annex Ukrainian and Belarusian territories to the Polish state, as well as to Poland's access to the Black Sea.

    And what a fig did Poland bring nishtyakov reliability to a friend, Hitler?

    Now there is hope for America ... Only, I'm afraid, everything will end for Poland the same way as before, if not worse.

    Here, on VO, there was an article about how the Poles kissed Hitler on the gums and hoped to grab even more than the Germans - https://topwar.ru/123798-kak-polsha-byla-soyuznikom-gitlera.html. And now they call their own death in the same way ...
    The forces deployed in the KOR are undoubtedly significant given the small potential of NATO forces in Eastern Europe. This should prompt the leadership of the alliance to take actions aimed at at least equalizing the military potential in the region.

    - the Polish general concludes.
    - naive as children! By golly ...
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 5 March 2021 05: 54
      +13
      You shouldn't be laughing at the Polish general ... he has never met a Smolensk birch tree, no experience. hi
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 5 March 2021 05: 59
        +7
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        You shouldn't be laughing at the Polish general ... he has never met a Smolensk birch tree, no experience. hi

        Those in Europe, whose ancestors admired Smolensk birches, should remember their beauty at the genetic level. They don't want to! ... It is desirable to see it on your own skin.

        Nu-nu, welkam ... am
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 5 March 2021 06: 41
      +8
      Igor, welcome! hi
      Basically, he describes the situation correctly. With the only caveat, we are not going to attack from the very beginning. And the fact that we will not make our way through Suwalki is the correct opinion, the maximum distracting blow of the Belarusians. But will there be enough time to break through the entire Baltic region? what
      Much will depend on intelligence. If the Poles strike unexpectedly, the losses will be heavy. Baltiysk, covered by Polish artillery and MLRS. Will the fleet have time to get out through the canal ... request
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 5 March 2021 07: 41
        +6
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        If the Poles strike unexpectedly, the losses will be heavy. Baltiysk, covered by Polish artillery and MLRS. Will the fleet have time to get out through the canal.

        that is why the primary task may be to advance deep into the enemy's territory in order to push back the firing line and hold it until the main forces arrive.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 5 March 2021 08: 09
          +6
          Quote: Flood
          that is why the primary task may be to advance deep into the enemy's territory in order to push back the firing line and hold it until the main forces arrive.

          Well, if you strike a blow at the Pomeranian Voivodeship. Elblag - Gdansk - Gdynia. With the landing of troops on the Baltic Spit. At the moment, the forces and means are not enough. There is little aviation, it is based in Chkalovsk. In theory, HIMARS is covered.
          18 MSD, so far only on paper. In fact, a brigade.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 5 March 2021 08: 14
            +4
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            At the moment, the forces and means are not enough.

            You are right, really, not a lot
            At the moment, the tasks of defending the exclave are assigned to the 11th Army Corps, which consists of an artillery brigade, a tank regiment, as well as a motorized rifle regiment and brigade.

            I thought I had more strength
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 5 March 2021 08: 47
              +2
              Quote: Flood
              I thought I had more strength

              It was. But we are until 08.08.08. like they were friends. We took everything out, now we don't know how to enter it. It takes at least a couple of years.
              Now, the main thing is to finish AB Chernyakhovsk. Transfer the bombers there and deploy 16 GIAP to Chkalovsk. Yes, add the Army Aviation.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 5 March 2021 08: 50
                +3
                Quote: LiSiCyn
                Now, the main thing is to finish AB Chernyakhovsk. Transfer the bombers there and deploy 16 GIAP to Chkalovsk. Yes, add the Army Aviation.

                seems to be so
                while realizing that all aviation based there will be the number one target if something happens.
                1. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 5 March 2021 09: 46
                  +3
                  Quote: Flood
                  while realizing that all aviation based there will be the number one target if something happens.

                  Well, at least 2 airfields. Now everyone is sitting in Chkalovsk, but there are not even caponiers on it. Army men on the Donskoy.
                  As I wrote above, everything will depend on intelligence. We will know the time of H, we will have time to apply the proactive one and get away from the reciprocal.
                2. hydrox
                  hydrox 5 March 2021 12: 58
                  -3
                  Quote: Flood
                  while realizing that all aviation based there will be the number one target if something happens.

                  AIM FOR WHOM! ?? laughing laughing laughing
                  And how many minutes will the Polish artillery hold out after the first salvo ???
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 5 March 2021 13: 13
                    +3
                    Quote: hydrox
                    AIM FOR WHOM! ??
                    And how many minutes will the Polish artillery hold out after the first salvo ???

                    you reassured me.
                    the only thing left to do is to calm down the General Staff.
                  2. LiSiCyn
                    LiSiCyn 5 March 2021 14: 23
                    +4
                    Quote: hydrox
                    AIM FOR WHOM! ??

                    Aim for HIMARS. Range 300+. Warhead weight ATACMS Block IA - Tactical missile with a cluster warhead for 300 combat elements, a range of up to 300 km and an inertial control system (SU) integrated with a GPS receiver
                    ATACMS Block IA Unitary - Tactical missile with a high-explosive warhead weighing 500 pounds, a range of up to 270 km and an inertial control system (CS) integrated with a GPS receiver
                    ATACMS Block IIA - Tactical missile with a cluster warhead for 6 self-aiming combat elements BAT (improved design), with a range of up to 300 km (in development).
                    Quote: hydrox
                    And how many minutes will the Polish artillery hold out after the first salvo ???

                    How will we answer after the first volley? And the Poles are not fools, no one will wait for a reply. At this range, "Crabs" and "Dans" will be used. They won't reach Chkalovsk, but from the Polish part of Balt. the spits reach the military harbor. There, in the harbor, you know, it is close enough
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 5 March 2021 16: 19
                      -3
                      Moreover, glassing is the very job for Iskander!
                      Only "development" is not yet a means of combat.
          2. vin605na
            vin605na 5 March 2021 13: 51
            -6
            Damn what the General Staff writes: Patsan, are you by any chance called Valery Gerasimov?
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 5 March 2021 14: 02
              +7
              I understand this is my question?
              Well, firstly, on this site it is not customary to address strangers in such a manner. stop
              And secondly, I am a resident of Kaliningrad, as if a little in the know ... wink
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 5 March 2021 09: 27
        +4
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Basically, he correctly describes the situation

        Yes Yes Yes! Especially in the moment where he says: "The Russians will go anywhere."
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 5 March 2021 10: 10
        +9
        Stas, hi !
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        the fact that we will not make our way through Suwalki is the correct opinion, the maximum distracting blow of the Belarusians.

        When here the other day they discussed the epic pumping of their own staff exercises by the Poles, the Poles themselves figured out that the main reason for the failure of the defense against "Russian aggression" and the "loss of Warsaw" was precisely the opinion that the Russians would go through the "Suwalki Corridor" and therefore they pulled everything that is there.

        And yours is true, Stas - the general soberly assessed the situation and reasoned that the Russians would not go where they were allowed to, and not where the Poles and the Americans would wait for them. And where they themselves want and seem more convenient.

        Only now the general did not think about one, the most important question - but will they go in principle? First, and this is the main thing - and do we need it? We have the whole Siberia without Poland and the Tribaltic territory. And secondly, why did he decide that they would "go"? And if they "fly"? And not pilots, but missiles? Launching Iskander is cheaper, I think, than the risk of losing a bomber from American Patriots ...
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 5 March 2021 10: 30
          +2
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          And secondly, why did he decide that they would "go"? And if they "fly"? And not pilots, but missiles? Launching Iskander is cheaper, I think, than the risk of losing a bomber from American Patriots ...

          In principle, both Powidz and Lask, Iskanders are covered. But, there are many more targets and Iskander alone is indispensable. MRK - a volley of "Caliber" and move from the Baltic, until they were covered.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 5 March 2021 13: 05
          -3
          Moreover, the glass transition process with small NZs is safer, but how much frightening ...
      4. your1970
        your1970 5 March 2021 14: 02
        +3
        ]
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        If the Poles strike unexpectedly, the losses will be heavy. Baltiysk, covered by Polish artillery and MLRS. Will the fleet have time to get out through

        And if we in return zhakhny about Warsaw? Just like that, to begin with?
        In Warsaw, there is obviously more population and objects that pose a danger to the civilian population - than in the entire Kaliningrad ...
        But if you don't zhahat, but just OFFICIALLY declare that we will not take the Poles prisoner, and all the relatives of the Polish soldiers will be destroyed by the DRG belay ... .. "What about us ???? !!!!!!!"
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 5 March 2021 14: 40
          0
          Quote: your1970
          just OFFICIALLY declare that we will not take the Poles prisoner

          Vienna Convention.
          Quote: your1970
          all relatives of Polish soldiers will be destroyed by the DRG

          Genocide.
          Quote: your1970
          And if we in return zhakhny about Warsaw?

          We can. Just what will it give us? This will give us a negative reaction from the rest of the world. The Poles are hitting military targets, and the Russians are striking at peace ...
          Poles, some will not twitch. one hundred%. But in the context of a global conflict, and with the support of the "Young Europeans", why not ...? I also cannot exclude such a possibility. Especially as a resident of Kaliningrad.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 5 March 2021 17: 45
            +2
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            We can. Just what will it give us? This will give us a negative reaction from the rest of the world. The Poles are hitting military targets, and the Russians are striking at peace ...

            And we answered them - Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo. And most importantly - Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

            And what can make an opinion about us worse than now? Show in the news how Putin eats fried American babies for breakfast? Appoint Zhirinovsky Russian Ambassador to the United States? On Red Square live on air American negro-transgender on cabbage soup? Donbass to recognize? In the Western mind, events are of the same order.

            I watched Oliver Stone's "The Untold Story of the United States" the other day. I recommend. Of course, not without specific American "jambs", but, on the whole, I liked it. Tells correctly. And about the reasons for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - in particular.
            Ask, Stas, "what have Warsaw and Hiroshima to do with it?" Guess "from three times" who will shout the loudest about the "animal grin" of Russia?
          2. your1970
            your1970 5 March 2021 22: 39
            +1
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            This will give us a negative reaction from the rest of the world. The Poles are hitting military targets, and the Russians are striking at peace ...

            AND? At the time of the Polish attack on us automatically us will become Feng Shui - what, where and who will think of us .. Well, Dresden will leave Warsaw and what? A million there, a million here ...
            Vein? Where is it? Somewhere on the edge of Germany?
            Convention? And the United States followed them
            in Nagasaki?
            And if the Japanese had landed in the United States, how many millions of the United States would have destroyed the Japs?

            I suspect that 120 US citizens of the Japanese nation would have run out by evening

            Poland in general will be happy, simply because many times more will fly to Germany, France, England and Belgium ...
            Or do you think - that the war will be at the level: "Die erste Kolonne marschiert, die zweite Kolonne marschiert ..."?
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 5 March 2021 23: 47
              +2
              You and I are talking about different things. We are not talking about 3 mV. It's about a limited conflict with a group of countries, with the support and approval of NATO. 08.08.08, talking about something. We, in Tbilisi, did not hit, unlike the Georgians, so we can not seriously present anything to us. The aggressor is Georgia. And if, in response to the shelling of Tskhinvali, our people would bomb Tbilisi? Not military targets, but a peacekeeper? It would be worse than the Crimea and Donbass. Don't forget, there was a financial crisis on 08.08.08. And the egg-capsule was empty. What would be the consequences of non-selective strikes?
              1. your1970
                your1970 6 March 2021 16: 23
                0
                Quote: LiSiCyn
                It's about a limited conflict with a group of countries, with the support and approval of NATO.

                Georgia is a hungry shantrap .. Therefore, we could force them to the world with ordinary weapons. With others it is more problematic ...
                Мы economically we will not pull a war with a state capable of deploying an army of more than half a million. And Poland or Ukraine can collect such an army ...
                We will forced reply ALL forces and means ...
                In such a scenario - whether civilians or non-civilians in Kiev and / or Warsaw - we will no longer care ...

                Moreover, with the support of NATO ...
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 6 March 2021 20: 51
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  Мы economically we will not pull a war with a state capable of deploying an army of more than half a million. And Poland or Ukraine can collect such an army ...

                  The good news is that neither the former Polish People's Republic nor the former Ukrainian SSR can arm a half-million army, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, having doubled, up to 1/4 million l / s, cannot provide their Armed Forces V and VT, soon wick caramunds will enter the armament of the Armed Forces ...
                  We will be forced to respond with ALL forces and means ...
                  In such a scenario - whether civilians or non-civilians in Kiev and / or Warsaw - we will no longer care ...

                  I agree to turn the whole of Eastern Europe into a "zone uninhabitable", especially since Western Europe buys large volumes of gas from us than Eastern ...
                  It will be ts. "cordon sanitaire" between the CSTO and NATO countries ... and gas will go through the Northern and Turkish streams ...
                  In such a situation, and in order not to get into the zone of the "cordon sanitaire" in Kuevo, Soviet power will again be proclaimed, and the members of the diplomatic corps will be hanged by lanterns .... well, we are animals, or something, we will forgive not all "orphans" of course ...
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 6 March 2021 21: 10
                    0
                    At one time, in the 70s, the question was discussed in the General Staff of the USSR - what to do if China sends 10-15 -20 million across the border unarmed civilians at the same time?
                    Such an amount is technically indestructible quickly with conventional weapons ... The forces of the SA of the USSR would not have been enough.
                    We came to the only conclusion - that it is impossible to stop, only to beat Yao in China, squeezing from our border ...
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 6 March 2021 21: 41
                      0
                      Quote: your1970
                      We came to the only conclusion - that it is impossible to stop, only to beat Yao in China, squeezing from our border ...

                      As far as I know, along the entire Sino-Soviet border a system of URs "Steel Line" was created, bunkers, bunkers, forest sites with horse traps and wolf pits, nuclear bombs, etc.
                      In the late 80s, when the PRC and the USSR, under an agreement on the demilitarization of borders, withdrew their armed forces 200 km, and we still withdrew our troops from the Mongolian People's Republic, it was abandoned, everything was plundered ...
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 6 March 2021 22: 41
                        0
                        there was everything, full of pictures of the IS-3 in firing positions ...
                        But these are traditional options designed for combat operations with enemy armies. While they are storming the fortifications, we are pulling up our forces ..
                      2. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 6 March 2021 22: 54
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        there was everything, full of pictures of the IS-3 in firing positions ...
                        But these are traditional options designed for combat operations with enemy armies. While they are storming the fortifications, we are pulling up our forces ..

                        In the Transcaucasian VO (on the territory of Armenia and Georgia) there were also URs ...
                        on 1990/XNUMX/XNUMX
                        Fortified areas
                        6th Fortified Region, Georgia
                        48 separate machine gun and artillery battalion
                        54 separate machine gun and artillery battalion
                        8th Fortified Region, Georgia
                        Headquarters - Kutaisi
                        7th Fortified Region, Armenia (7th Guards Combined Arms Army)
                        69 separate machine gun and artillery battalion
                        78 separate machine gun and artillery battalion
                        9th Fortified Region, Armenia (7th Guards Combined Arms Army)
                        1555 separate machine gun and artillery battalion
                        1581 separate machine gun and artillery battalion
                        In 1976, to replace obsolete guns in DOT-4 installations with new fire weapons, 6U11 installations with 12,7 mm NSV Utes machine guns were adopted, for pin embrasure installations - NSV Utes in 6U10 installation
    3. Maikcg
      Maikcg 5 March 2021 21: 44
      +1
      But will there be enough time to break through the entire Baltic region?

      And the Strategic Missile Forces will be picking at the nose all this time? Here, even the arrival of a training blank from Siberia will make you think.
    4. AC130 Ganship
      AC130 Ganship 5 March 2021 23: 27
      +1
      Why do you think the Poles will strike? Do you have any super-secret data that even Mo RF does not know?
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 6 March 2021 20: 54
        0
        Quote: AC130 Ganship
        Why do you think the Poles will strike? Do you have any super-secret data that even Mo RF does not know?

        And why did you decide that her statement does not coincide with the data of the GRU General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation or
        you have some super-secret data that you don't know
        kind and trusting members of the forum?
  3. Hagen
    Hagen 5 March 2021 06: 49
    +7
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    I remember how the Polish nobility rolled balls in honor of the arrival of the same Napoleon.

    In general, reading the history of Poland, I noted for myself that for Poles, especially for representatives of their political class, show-off is more important than the essence of the content. For example, in the 30s, preparing for war, the Poles for the army developed a beautiful solid, but such an expensive uniform that the country's economy was unable to prepare stocks for the army's mobilization reserve. And with these show-offs Poland suffers its entire history. The Poles' thirst for freedom in the form of lawlessness drove them into four divisions and did not teach them anything. Therefore, it is not surprising that even today, trusting someone else's "umbrella", Poles show miracles of irrational thinking. And the same Smolensk birch is nothing more than an actual manifestation of convictions in the minds of Polish leaders that their views on life and aspirations are stronger than nature and common sense. Truly, an "amazing" country in its arrogance and gentry ambition.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 5 March 2021 09: 56
      +1
      Quote: Hagen
      in the 30s, preparing for war, the Poles for the army developed a beautiful solid, but so expensive form that the country's economy was unable to prepare stocks for the army's mobilization reserve. And with these show-offs Poland suffers its entire history.

      All my life I have not understood the practical meaning of these "wings".

      How do they help in battle? By the way, they are attached not to the horse, but to the rider. Even if you count on a psychological effect, to intimidate the enemy - and that does not work. What is there to be afraid of? They are not the angels of hell, but simple cavalrymen. In addition, most likely, it is not the fountain that affects the mobility of the shoulder girdle. And in the war with melee weapons, this characteristic is far from the tenth.

      Indeed, the
      Ponty are expensive ...
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 5 March 2021 13: 11
        +2
        A weakly protected back is important for mobility in a saber fight, and these shafts prevent a striking saber strike along the ribs. And the pocket, into which the shaft is stuck, creates additional protection.
        1. kamakama
          kamakama 5 March 2021 14: 31
          +4
          Why do the Indians (and the Bersagliers from the late 19th century to the present) need feathers on their heads? And why do we need a garrison cap - a completely useless hat, like a beret - it does not cover either from the sun or from the rain? Only stationary forces make sense (technicians, staff officers, tankmen). Bear and other caps for the British guards. Kivera at the unsuited grenadiers. Wigs with braided rods - protect from back chopping. And so on - the list is endless.
          Because - a kilo of show-off and a gram of common sense
          1. Maikcg
            Maikcg 5 March 2021 21: 49
            0
            Why do we need a garrison cap

            So that according to the charter
            ... put the right hand to the headdress by the shortest route so that the fingers are together, the palm is straight, the middle finger touches the lower edge of the headdress (at the visor), and the elbow is on the line and height of the shoulder ...
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 6 March 2021 21: 03
            0
            Quote: kamakama
            And why do we need a garrison cap - a completely useless hat,

            In the summer, like a field cap (or a saboteur's helmet) in a swampy area helps from mosquitoes, in the autumn / spring cold it warms ...
            Takes in hand-to-hand combat helps, you can't be grabbed by the hair ...
            The pilot in general for pilots in the Russian army was invented, in the Red Army / SA it was also common in the infantry ...
            1. kamakama
              kamakama 9 March 2021 14: 44
              0
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Quote: kamakama
              And why do we need a garrison cap - a completely useless hat,

              In the summer, like a field cap (or a saboteur's helmet) in a swampy area helps from mosquitoes, in the autumn / spring cold it warms ...
              Takes in hand-to-hand combat helps, you can't be grabbed by the hair ...
              The pilot in general for pilots in the Russian army was invented, in the Red Army / SA it was also common in the infantry ...

              Irregular hair, for which you can grab - cut it to 0. In what kind of army can you grow such patla? And the cap is the most useless hat of all that were in the army from the 18th to the 21st century. Even in central Russia - the nights are cold in summer - the ears freeze and there is nothing to cover them. The sun will burn them and the burn will interfere with sleep. About rain and pouring water right on your face - I will not say anything. This is all from a poor life. As it became possible to issue a cap with ears - it is much more practical. And there is a visor and you can hide from the wind in the rain, if you lower it down. Not according to the charter, of course, but health is more expensive
              But about who and when invented - it's pure lies. In the photo, the Italian Marshal Badoglio, who by no means served in the Red Army. And there are many prototypes of such a hat, both in Serbia and in Scotland
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 9 March 2021 17: 21
                0
                kamakama (Andrzej Kaminsky) Irregular hair that can be grabbed - cut to 0.
                In what Charter or manual is it supposed to cut a / s under "0" ...?
                And the cap is the most useless hat of all

                You decided to impose your opinion on me? You know where to go ...
                But about who and when invented - it's pure lies. In the photo, the Italian Marshal Badoglio, who by no means served in the Red Army. And there are many prototypes of such a hat, both in Serbia and in Scotland

                Eco poked you ...
                I wrote about the garrison cap, which was developed in the Republic of Ingushetia at the beginning of the 20th century, but it did not take root in the Imperial Army, but as an element of the uniform in the RKK it was adopted in the late 30s ...
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 5 March 2021 16: 14
          -3
          Well, what liberoid is minus for knowledge?
          Confess though, you scoundrel! laughing
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 5 March 2021 18: 04
            +1
            Quote: hydrox
            Well, what liberoid is minus for knowledge?
            Confess though, you scoundrel! laughing

            But you never know "amateurs" here ... I have two or three personal ones. I will say that the water is wet, and the grass is green - and then "minus" will plunge ...
            Have you really not had such "admirers" on your site for 6 years? Also, for sure, there is.

            And spit on them with saliva ... drinks
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 5 March 2021 19: 03
              -2
              In fact, they come running in crowds and only occasionally give the rest ... request
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 5 March 2021 17: 57
          +2
          Quote: hydrox
          these shafts prevent a striking saber strike along the ribs. And the pocket, into which the shaft is stuck, creates additional protection.

          Universal protection against chopping blows? lol
      2. Constanty
        Constanty 5 March 2021 18: 00
        +2
        Initially, these wings had a very practical excuse - they made it difficult or even impossible to grip the rider with the ARKANEM rope, often used by the Tatars.
        Over time, it became more of an ornament and a hallmark of education.
        There are also many myths about psychological effects - noise, etc. - these are just myths.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 5 March 2021 18: 10
          0
          Quote: Constanty
          Initially, these wings had a very practical excuse.

          For example, I will not throw a lasso on the handle of a shovel. And for a specialist, probably, these wings are not a big hindrance. recourse
          I don't know ... For me - so clean show-off ...
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 5 March 2021 18: 14
            +3
            The wings increase the height to which the lasso must be thrown, which increases the difficulty, moreover, the lasso often only captures the wings. The wings fell off, and the rider remained on his horse.
            At least that is how it is described in the literature on the subject.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 5 March 2021 19: 06
              0
              Thanks for the enlightenment! I haven't dug that deep.
      3. paul3390
        paul3390 5 March 2021 18: 10
        +4
        All my life I have not understood the practical meaning of these "wings".

        Apart from show-offs - they write that it is a kind of anti-lasso device .. It does not allow throwing a lasso, which was very common among the Tatars, and even among the Russians of that time ..

        As for the shoulder freedom - so the main weapon of the Polish hussar were the spear and konchar. That is, a purely stabbing weapon. A saber is a last resort, and again - what kind of a man without a saber?
      4. bk0010
        bk0010 5 March 2021 20: 09
        +1
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        All my life I have not understood the practical meaning of these "wings".
        I read that this was to counteract the Tatar lassos: the lasso did not capture the rider, but the wings, which easily came off.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 5 March 2021 21: 00
          0
          Quote: bk0010
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          All my life I have not understood the practical meaning of these "wings".
          I read that this was to counteract the Tatar lassos: the lasso did not capture the rider, but the wings, which easily came off.

          Painfully feathered-cock some kind of design for such a prosaic purpose.
          In addition, as soon as someone has something worthwhile (even then, even now), it in one form or another spreads over other armies. So it was with melee weapons and armor. And about this "peacock's tail" I only met a mention of the Turks. And that is not like a battle armor, but rather a ceremonially distinctive one. Like our aiguillettes.

          A friend is engaged in military reconstruction. I made him a Russian helmet-shishak as a gift in the order of "needlework". I asked him where he came from, so a friend said such a thing that I still did not understand anything. And there, and here, and here it appeared, but it was used just everywhere. An example of a successful design, which was distributed among different armies. And then - silence ...
  4. Alien From
    Alien From 5 March 2021 14: 15
    0
    I agree with you! A dog's death!
  5. Constanty
    Constanty 5 March 2021 17: 54
    +2
    I know there will be downsides - it's hard - but I do not agree to lies and impudent slander against my Motherland

    11 November 1938 held a military parade in Warsaw, dedicated to the annexation of Czechoslovak lands to Poland. Then the whole world was spread around the photograph of the friendly handshake of Marshal of Poland Edward Rydz-Smigly and the German military attache of Colonel Bogislav von Studnitz, which was intended to demonstrate the active military-political cooperation of the two states.


    What the hell. The parade was not held on the occasion of the occupation of Czechoslovakia, but, as every year on November 11, on the occasion of the Polish national holiday.
    Rydz-Śmigły welcomed a whole range of accredited military attachés in Poland, including the USSR attaché:

    Has it also demonstrated the cooperation of the two states?
    And there is also a photo of attaches from England, France, Estonia, Italy, ...
    Did they all participate in the capture of Czechoslovakia and celebrate it?
    NO !!! The usual formalities related to diplomatic protocol and attachés of other countries in Poland.

    And Pilsudski back in 1934 with Hitler signed ABSOLUTELY the same Non-Aggression Pact (Neurath-Lipski Pact) as the USSR five (!) Years later and from which, as the Poles NOW believe, the Second World War began.


    Another lie. The declarations of non-aggression signed by Poland with Germany in 1934 or the SAME SIGNED WITH THE USSR in 1932 did not contain an appendix on the division of another country with a partition map.
    The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact meant that the USSR and Germany violated these declarations - by the way.


    I don’t know why you are trying to argue the Russians and the Poles with lies even more?
    We agree - the current Polish authorities are demonstrating Russophobia, but manipulations and lies with history are an exaggeration.
  6. Constanty
    Constanty 5 March 2021 18: 21
    +2
    It was normal diplomatic practice to greet ALL attachés.
    Here, in the video, after 1 minute 18 seconds, he also greets the USSR attaché.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmio7cACj08
  • Quadro
    Quadro 5 March 2021 06: 01
    +3
    The Poles have already gotten these scammers.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 5 March 2021 06: 15
      +1
      "The Russians will go wherever they want": a Polish general on the threat of the "Kaliningrad fortified area"

      The Russians will go wherever they want. And, most importantly, they will not ask anyone.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 5 March 2021 06: 10
    +2
    It is clear that generals want to live well / drink sweetly .... but it depends on politicians !!! And politicians need scarecrows for ... "herd". And when will the "herd" get tired of that?
    Though ....
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 March 2021 06: 19
    +3
    This is the Russian foothold in Europe.
    How did you want gentlemen and gentlemen?
    They will simply go through the area they choose, that is, wherever they want.
    They will go, they will definitely go, but later, when you want to take a ride on Russian territory. And the meaning of the Polish general's groans is understandable - more American troops in Poland, the Baltic states will manage with what they already have.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 5 March 2021 06: 31
    +1
    They'd rather wonder why we haven't touched any of them so far, since they're so scary.
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 5 March 2021 06: 53
    +1
    Damn, listen to them - we are so bloodthirsty. We sleep and see how to swallow Europe ...
  • mark1
    mark1 5 March 2021 07: 02
    +3
    I don't understand why our respected expert community was so excited about the general's statements? What did he say that suddenly turned out to be worse God forgive me
    It seems that this is no longer a general, but a woman with low social responsibility.
    remembered the fascists and promised the Smolensk birch?
    That's right - the Suwalki corridor has no operational significance, and we really will go where we want, along any diagonal. Recently, a lot of dancing with sabers has become (and even without any humor and just sense), this is a bad sign of morale.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 5 March 2021 07: 19
    +2
    When we arrive, we'll eat all the apples in the fields for free lol horosse crying laughing
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 5 March 2021 07: 21
    +4
    Quote: Hagen
    Truly, an "amazing" country in its arrogance and gentry ambition.

    In the 90s, cars from Germany were driven. Anything has happened, of course, but we have suffered from the pshek so that their bandos followed their relatives. Now I am ready to go to Pshekia only in a tank.
  • Borz
    Borz 5 March 2021 07: 31
    +2
    Yes, yes, yes, of course it will. They will pass wherever they want and will finally carry out the fourth and final section of Russophobic Poland. Establish, so to speak, historical justice ... Get used, psheki, again to be the Warsaw governorship.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 March 2021 07: 34
    +3
    If there is a kneading, God forbid, the states will be the first to shake off. What kind of generals they went in Europe, just some masochists. They just want to be the first to carry out non-standard sexual actions with them. Well then, don't complain to the hegemon! will complain to someone.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 March 2021 07: 39
    +2
    And that, the general is right, if necessary, our troops will go where it is required by the combat situation.
    1. Storog dvornik
      Storog dvornik 5 March 2021 13: 15
      +1
      Judging by age and career, by the collapse of the USSR, he could have served as a major / underground ... That is, a completely Soviet military education behind him ... Consideration, and an understanding of the opponent, which should not be present ...
      Although at the exercises in the 80s, all these "brothers" from the Air Force had their eyes on their foreheads, and tears flowed like a river from a teaspoon of Soviet mustard eaten "weakly", and boxes of canned beer were reluctantly, but carried to the Soviet barracks ...
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 5 March 2021 13: 28
        +1
        Well, you barbarians, treat guests with Russian mustard in such quantities. It resembles the movie Wasabi, also mustard, but the current is Japanese. laughing
        1. Storog dvornik
          Storog dvornik 5 March 2021 13: 46
          +1
          Russian ingenuity and the desire to drink plenty of canned beer, which was then scarce, arose after when, at a joint friendly dinner, in my opinion, the Czechs began to squeeze out of a tube (not usual for the USSR packaging) onto bread in / in similar to mustard and use it as a sandwich completely without emotions ...
          My friend had an idea to argue who eats a spoonful of Russian mustard without antics and gets ... in my opinion a few cans of stew ... Or give a box of beer ...
          Then the suit rolled to Rajipych ...
          By the end of the exercises, the "brothers" had taken apart all the cans of mustard as a keepsake ...
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 5 March 2021 07: 45
    +2
    Only my personal opinion, but I'm tired of these stupid topics about how "a Norwegian, Polish, Danish, Lithuanian, etc. general, said something about the Russian threat." Or there to combine them into one circle of interests. For the meaning of the news, as well as the angry (mocking) comments of the local hurray-patriotic public, are absolutely the same
    1. your1970
      your1970 5 March 2021 14: 07
      0
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      already tired of these stupid topics about how

      If Uncle Vasya, the janitor of the housing office, had said this, then yes ...
      And so he is actually an official ...
  • AML
    AML 5 March 2021 07: 47
    +4
    Quote: Andre___86
    Damn, listen to them - we are so bloodthirsty. We sleep and see how to swallow Europe ...

    You don’t speak for everyone. I’ll get drunk with a bear in the morning, put on a hat with earflaps and play a melodic balalaika, start making plans to conquer Europe. How else? There is no other way.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 5 March 2021 11: 36
      0
      hi Colleague! What are the plans with Poland? France to the Arabs. We drive the foggy Albion into the bottom, or decide after the second kilogram of the divine drink! And in the morning the whole world is not nice? drinks
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 5 March 2021 07: 58
    +1
    Release Jozhin-z-bazhin!
  • iouris
    iouris 5 March 2021 10: 19
    +1
    What can I say ... Let's go?
  • Drozdov
    Drozdov 5 March 2021 14: 54
    +1
    looks at the root. our kid is karoch! cool
  • wasapip2010
    wasapip2010 5 March 2021 17: 03
    0
    Citizens do not escalate the situation. Uncle and so all crumpled sitting.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 March 2021 18: 32
    0
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: Hagen
    in the 30s, preparing for war, the Poles for the army developed a beautiful solid, but so expensive form that the country's economy was unable to prepare stocks for the army's mobilization reserve. And with these show-offs Poland suffers its entire history.

    All my life I have not understood the practical meaning of these "wings".

    How do they help in battle? By the way, they are attached not to the horse, but to the rider. Even if you count on a psychological effect, to intimidate the enemy - and that does not work. What is there to be afraid of? They are not the angels of hell, but simple cavalrymen. In addition, most likely, it is not the fountain that affects the mobility of the shoulder girdle. And in the war with melee weapons, this characteristic is far from the tenth.

    Indeed, the
    Ponty are expensive ...

    What "Ponty" Polish hussars can rightfully be considered one of the best warriors in history, and, perhaps, the best heavy cavalry of their time. They rushed at the enemy, lined up in several ranks, broke through his defenses with their pikes and spears, and after they broke, they used konchars and sabers. The distinctive Polish hussars, of course, are their wings. After the abolition of the shields in 1576, the wings were attached with the help of special devices to the arms, as well as to the back of the saddle. Initially, these were not even wings, but one lath with feathers, but by the beginning of the 30th century. mentions of two are already known. In the XNUMXs of the XNUMXth century, the first mentions of wings, attached not to the saddle, but directly to the armor of a hussar, appear. reported that the wings were needed to protect the hussar from chopping blows with a saber, and in the XX century. there was an assumption that the wings behind the back also protected from the Tatar lasso. There is also an opinion that the wings had only a ceremonial meaning and were attached during parades, especially since not all members of the winged hussars really had the right to wear wings (although most of them). Only a “comrade,” a nobleman serving in the army, who brought several assistants to the service, could wear wings.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 March 2021 18: 53
    -1
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: Hagen
    in the 30s, preparing for war, the Poles for the army developed a beautiful solid, but so expensive form that the country's economy was unable to prepare stocks for the army's mobilization reserve. And with these show-offs Poland suffers its entire history.

    All my life I have not understood the practical meaning of these "wings".

    How do they help in battle? By the way, they are attached not to the horse, but to the rider. Even if you count on a psychological effect, to intimidate the enemy - and that does not work. What is there to be afraid of? They are not the angels of hell, but simple cavalrymen. In addition, most likely, it is not the fountain that affects the mobility of the shoulder girdle. And in the war with melee weapons, this characteristic is far from the tenth.

    Indeed, the
    Ponty are expensive ...

    What "Ponty" Polish hussars can rightfully be considered one of the best warriors in history, and, perhaps, the best heavy cavalry of their time. They rushed at the enemy, lined up in several ranks, broke through his defenses with their pikes and spears, and after they broke, they used konchars and sabers. The distinctive Polish hussars, of course, are their wings. After the abolition of the shields in 1576, the wings were attached with the help of special devices to the arms, as well as to the back of the saddle. Initially, these were not even wings, but one lath with feathers, but by the beginning of the 30th century. mentions of two are already known. In the XNUMXs of the XNUMXth century, the first mentions of wings, attached not to the saddle, but directly to the armor of a hussar, appear. reported that the wings were needed to protect the hussar from chopping blows with a saber, and in the XX century. there was an assumption that the wings behind the back also protected from the Tatar lasso. There is also an opinion that the wings had only a ceremonial meaning and were attached during parades, especially since not all members of the winged hussars really had the right to wear wings (although most of them). Only a “comrade,” a nobleman serving in the army, who brought several assistants to the service, could wear wings.

  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 March 2021 18: 57
    0
    Quote: Constanty
    Initially, these wings had a very practical excuse - they made it difficult or even impossible to grip the rider with the ARKANEM rope, often used by the Tatars.
    Over time, it became more of an ornament and a hallmark of education.
    There are also many myths about psychological effects - noise, etc. - these are just myths.

    kinchi (Akinji) in leopard skins and eagle wings: laughing Real Turks laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 March 2021 19: 10
    -1
    There is a case in history when, in 1654, about one thousand winged hussars under the command of Kilski passed to the Russian side. laughing
  • Diverter
    Diverter 5 March 2021 22: 33
    -1
    There are still competent military personnel there.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 6 March 2021 21: 33
    0
    According to him, in the initial phase of the conflict, the 11th Army Corps and the main forces of the Baltic Fleet stationed in the Kaliningrad fortified area are called upon to block NATO troops from land, sea and air, thereby supporting the actions of the 6th Army in the Baltic.

    The author is a great entertainer. He apparently did not bother to look at the combat composition of the 6th OA ZVO, it is not that the Baltic States cannot be captured, even together with the 76th DShD (two-regimental composition), the border will barely cover ...
    And in the KOR, as part of the 11th AK BS KBF, there is one MSBr. and one SME and one TP each (the 11th is relatively recently formed) ....
    The deployment (on the basis of existing units) there has been asking for an MSD for a long time, but these forces will be enough, only for conducting defensive actions .... The BMP will deal exclusively with the defense of the coast ...
    The alliance will face superior forces, including the 1st Panzer Army, the troops of the Kaliningrad Defense Region (KOR) and the armed forces of Belarus.

    She is TA in name only, AK at best, with tanks of three types ...
    SV RB is three MBR. (analogue of our SMBR.) ....
    At the borders of the Russian Federation, Poland and the USA are holding an MD (on Leopard-2 tanks) and two MBRs. (on tanks "Abrams" of the new model) .... all this can be quickly strengthened .... and here the author writes about some kind of seizure of the Polish coast ...
    In addition, the grouping can be quickly strengthened by the transfer of personnel and equipment by sea and air.

    And in NATu they will pick in the nose ...

    The 6th OA needs to be strengthened. (need forced, under Trump, during the period when he and Eun grinned, we deployed as part of the 5th OA (Ussuriysk) MSD).
    Old man to force, that he would be on the basis of the 19th BHVT (formerly TD SA), TBR. deployed, and the DShBr. The ground forces of the Republic of Belarus were put on helicopters, so at least we will have an airmobile and tank reserve even in the Republic of Belarus, before the 1st "TA" approaches ...
    In the KOR, reserves must be created, incl. and for the civilian population ... everything is provided there by sea ...
  • Ura Orlov
    Ura Orlov 7 March 2021 04: 47
    0
    It is somehow even surprising that the Polish general did not mention calibers, tornadoes and Iskander, either stupid or fanatic.
  • Oleg Shevchenko 2021
    Oleg Shevchenko 2021 7 March 2021 09: 30
    0
    Rave. Why does a great general, etc., think that our generals think so? It's good for us and mulberries. And our mob potential and real counteractions can be experienced exclusively on yourself, by calling tel. on Frunzenskaya emb.
  • Locksmith
    Locksmith 7 March 2021 18: 29
    0
    Too shy to ask, is NATO a pizza delivery man? Or a shoemaker lining up a bunch of people? And, this is a military bloc aimed at the eastern part of the continent of EURASIA, although the second half is not visible. And therefore, the bloc designed for defense automatically turns into a global attacker, and not on business - there is no deterrent element.
  • Alexander Kalashnikov
    Alexander Kalashnikov 12 March 2021 05: 56
    0
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    If the Poles strike an unexpected blow

    It is believed that in order for the "Poles" not to strike such a blow, Pshekostan must be destroyed in advance.
    For such actions, by the way, our sworn Anglo-Saxon "partners" at the very beginning of the XNUMXth century even invented a special term: "copenhaging" (see on the Internet)