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In Ukraine, they gathered to nationalize the Motor Sich enterprise

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In Ukraine, they gathered to nationalize the Motor Sich enterprise

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The Ukrainian press publishes materials that speak of the decision being prepared by the country's authorities in relation to the Motor Sich enterprise. Recall that this plant was at the center of a scandal after the official Kiev imposed sanctions against Chinese investors - companies that were going to become the owners of an engine building enterprise. Experts believe that the decision was not made in Kiev at all, but in Washington, and the Ukrainian authorities only voiced it. But new news may shed light on "what it actually was."

So, a new round in this stories... It is stated that Ukrainian parliamentarians are preparing a bill on the nationalization of the Motor Sich plant. It is reported that this bill should be registered in the Verkhovna Rada in the near future.

The corresponding statement was made by the chairman of the parliamentary faction "Servant of the People" David Arakhamia.

According to him, sanctions against Chinese companies were imposed, since "this is a question of Ukrainian defense capability." Now, as the Verkhovna Rada people's deputy declares, "it is necessary to regulate the status of the enterprise." At the same time, Arahamia said that "the new status of the company will become an argument in negotiations with China." Apparently, the "new status" will somehow remove the issue of defense capability ...

The statement is more than strange. After all, if Kiev is going to nationalize the enterprise, then what to negotiate with the PRC about?

It can be assumed that in this way the Ukrainian authorities are trying to take all the private assets of the Motor Sich enterprise into their own hands, and after the nationalization of the enterprise, sell it to the same Chinese companies. In other words, Ukrainian officials simply want to earn more - for themselves, hence these strange perturbations with nationalization and statements about their readiness to discuss the issue with China.
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  1. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 4 March 2021 18: 12
    +31
    Maybe it's better to shoot the horse so that you don't suffer? Well, not a single high-tech production can work in Ukraine, they will not give it.
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 4 March 2021 18: 17
      +12
      Well, for the Turks it will be the most it. Only now it is not clear what about the Chinese investments?
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 4 March 2021 18: 36
        -11%
        money - dust, will to win - policy embodied in action (internal, economic, defense, etc.). The will to win breaks the desire to earn loot. then control will allow you to take everything under yourself without agreements.
        hl - will the design bureau and the plant be able to work?
        1. Temples
          Temples 4 March 2021 18: 50
          +10
          In Ukraine, they gathered to nationalize the Motor Sich enterprise

          Take away and then sell.
          Sell ​​it as a whole, or hand it over for non-ferrous metals.

          In general, as planned - to kill production.

          Nobody needs this manufacturer anymore.

          We have our own production. Thanks to dill for refusing to supply engines.
          The Americans have their own factories.

          And let the Chinese sniff.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 4 March 2021 19: 02
            +10
            About nobody needs, I disagree. A large number of Soviet equipment flies around the world and requires repair. And they can, with the help of dumping, political pressure, collect a good folder of contracts. The same applies to "Zorya-Mashproekt" - they have a job.
            1. Nemchinov Vl
              Nemchinov Vl 5 March 2021 04: 00
              0
              Quote: 210ox
              About no one needs, I disagree.
              absolutely in a cap (!) ...
              Quote: 210ox
              The same applies to "Zorya-Mashproekt" - they have a job.
              alarming only the desire "temporarily settled in Kiev", the desire to push factories and design bureaus towards the Turks ...
              We would like to return all these technologies to the union again.
              1. Maikcg
                Maikcg 5 March 2021 12: 46
                -2
                What "these technologies" are half a century old? What for? Like again a drunk Russian Ivan for 30 years and 3 years was sitting on the stove and did not develop, did not invent, and only "fraternal" peoples feed and teach Russia? Not sick yet?

                There is nothing left. All innovations are yellow-blue painting and a loud name given to units of the Soviet era. If there were literate cadres at the beginning of the end, then today they are either already abroad or already retired, if someone remains, he may be literate, but it is better not to "return" such a fool at all.
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 4 March 2021 19: 43
            -5
            most likely a pod with a giveaway game. what to give to the ranks for a small swell (venal half-quilted jackets in dark, stole, drank, etc.) and show their diligence and adherence to the owner
          3. Simargl
            Simargl 5 March 2021 04: 33
            +1
            Quote: Temples
            And let the Chinese sniff.
            Do not worry about the Chinese: they will turn this country misunderstanding inside out.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 4 March 2021 18: 52
        +9
        Quote: marchcat
        Only now it is not clear what about the Chinese investments?

        Here Arahamia is trying to present the matter in such a way that China DOES NOT PAY ANYTHING.
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 4 March 2021 19: 08
          +10
          In general, that's not bad. There is no need for the Chinese to transfer Soviet engine technology. Let them suffer. And the dill is well done, the reputation is zero. All OK.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 4 March 2021 19: 43
          -2
          Quote: Egoza
          so that China DOES NOT PAY ANYTHING.

          And they won't get paid
        3. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 4 March 2021 20: 24
          -8
          Quote: Egoza
          Here Arahamia is trying to present the matter in such a way that China DOES NOT PAY ANYTHING.

          Colleague, we cannot consider motor sich from the All-Union and Russian helicopter building. No matter how they say it, cooperation in the military sphere absolutely continues between the Russian Federation and the outskirts of the third schemes, suppliers and profits of certain groups.
          I repeat, only Putinism helped the outskirts become an enemy.
          PySy. If someone comes up with the idea that our union republics are our enemies, then I will begin to understand that ..... (mate) something happened to people.
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 4 March 2021 23: 06
            +3
            Well, this is easy to fix - give up Crimea, bow to the West, led by the United States ... and you will be happy. Business something.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 5 March 2021 04: 38
              +9
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              Well, this is easy to fix - give up Crimea, bow to the West, led by the United States ... and you will be happy. Business something.

              And you are not considering options for unification, are you? Even the damned gayrope with all the pre-war and post-war territorial jambs was able to unite in an alliance, and you are still going to fight with everyone and for you yesterday's brothers are enemies ... madmen ...
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 5 March 2021 17: 09
                0
                Associations with whom? From the USA? They don't need allies, they need slaves ... like Ukraine, like Europe, Japan, etc. Unions with Ukraine? But they also made their choice in the direction of the United States, why do I need allies, slaves? Madmen?
                The madness of the brave is the wisdom of life!
                We sing a song to the madness of the brave!
        4. 210ox
          210ox 4 March 2021 20: 26
          +9
          Well, they won't pay China, and what's next? Descendants of mandarins are very pragmatic people. And in the future they will speak differently with Ukraine.
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 4 March 2021 18: 53
        +10
        Quote: marchcat
        Only now it is not clear what about the Chinese investments?

        Like what? According to the formula "To everyone I owe, I forgive."
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 4 March 2021 19: 21
        +7
        Quote: marchcat
        Well, for the Turks it will be the most it. Only now it is not clear what about the Chinese investments?

        In case of nationalization, Ukraine must compensate the losses to the owners of the enterprise falling under nationalization.
        Another question is whether there is a legislative basis for this or whether it is necessary to adopt a package of laws for this case.
        Losses consist of actual damage and loss of profits. Suppose Ukraine pays to Chinese shareholders the cost of real damage (the value of shares based on the results of financial statements for the last period), for example - 10 rubles, however, who guarantees that Chinese comrades will not submit to Int. Comm. Arbitration a claim for the recovery of losses in the form of loss of profits (i.e. the cost of possible profit) worth 100 rubles. to Ukraine?
        On the other hand, the Chinese themselves are to blame for having contacted the scumbags, the empirialists will still pay for them ...
        "Motor Sich" is a derivative of the USSR and Ukraine has not realized the value of this enterprise, since got it for free ....
        The United States, apparently, also does not want to end up quarreling with the PRC, so they decided to write off everything on the scumbags from Ukraine, which will pay part of the losses to the PRC with US money ...
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 4 March 2021 22: 33
          -6
          Quote: Lara Croft
          In case of nationalization, Ukraine must compensate the losses to the owners of the enterprise falling under nationalization.
          Another question is whether there is a legal basis for this

          The Kremlin plans to nationalize Lukoil. Do you think Alekperov and Fedun will be reimbursed for the losses and who will become the new owner?
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 4 March 2021 22: 42
            -2
            Quote: Silvestr
            The Kremlin plans to nationalize Lukoil. Do you think Alekperov and Fedun will be reimbursed for the losses and who will become the new owner?

            You are evil. What do you think the Party and the Government are what monsters? Nobody will plant them, let them continue to work in a labor collective ..
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 4 March 2021 22: 45
              -4
              Quote: Lara Croft
              let them continue to work in the labor collective ..

              Watchmen? laughing
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 5 March 2021 00: 16
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            The Kremlin plans to nationalize Lukoil. Do you think Alekperov and Fedun will be reimbursed for the losses and who will become the new owner?

            It depends on how you approach this issue. If they raise the issue of the difference in the value of an asset between its real and actual value at the time of privatization, then how would Alekperov and Fedun not have to pay extra to the budget. And if, like, through a compensation mechanism, then to one degree or another we will all pay extra to Fedun and Alekperov.
      5. Baloo
        Baloo 4 March 2021 20: 19
        +2
        Quote: marchcat
        Well, for the Turks it will be the most it. Only now it is not clear what about the Chinese investments?

        The scheme is debugged, a feature of the national-Bandera mentality: the Ukrainian night is quiet, but the bacon must be hidden. wink
      6. Alien From
        Alien From 4 March 2021 21: 21
        +5
        The Chinese will be paid with black earth. Although unlikely, there is a striped snout sticking out from the corner!
      7. venik
        venik 5 March 2021 11: 55
        -1
        Quote: marchcat
        Only now it is not clear what about the Chinese investments?

        ========
        "Throw on the dough", as usual! bully Then they will sue for a long time, counting on the "favor" of the Stockholm arbitration ...
      8. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 5 March 2021 21: 36
        0
        Like what? It's simple: either they will demand it through court or they will get it, but they will take revenge on it.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 4 March 2021 19: 42
      -3
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Maybe it's better to shoot the horse so that you don't suffer?

      There are so many of these horses ... No cartridges are enough
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 4 March 2021 20: 25
        -4
        Unicellular in their repertoire))))
        When at least turn on the second cell and show who you are?)))
      2. Grandfather
        Grandfather 4 March 2021 21: 45
        0
        There are no horses there, galloped away.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 4 March 2021 22: 00
          0
          Quote: Grandfather
          There are no horses there, galloped away.

          Do you mean the Luhansk cartridge plant?
          The Lugansk Cartridge Plant, which has resumed its work in a test mode, fully meets the needs of the military of the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics.

          http://antifashist.com/item/luganskij-patronnyj-zavod-vosstanovilsya-i-polnostyu-obespechivaet-potrebnosti-lnr-i-dnr.html
      3. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 5 March 2021 21: 38
        0
        There are only a couple of dozen of these horses left, and it is mainly metallurgy, the creation of raw materials for the EU metallurgy. But it is not clear about unicellular organisms. Do you even understand what you wanted to say?
    3. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 4 March 2021 20: 03
      +14
      The State Department issued a license to Ukraine for privatization ??
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 4 March 2021 20: 41
        +6
        Quote: Atlant-1164
        Department of State Lee yes census issued to Ukraine for privatization ??

        Easier, an extract from your order
  2. Minxerc
    Minxerc 4 March 2021 18: 13
    +5
    Will they be nationalized and then sold again? China threw, who on a new one))))
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 4 March 2021 20: 43
      +8
      Quote: Minxerc
      Will they be nationalized and then sold again? China threw, who on a new one))))

      Moldova is near. There, too, "intellectuals" are in power. laughing
      1. Minxerc
        Minxerc 4 March 2021 20: 56
        -8
        Quote: Terenin
        Quote: Minxerc
        Will they be nationalized and then sold again? China threw, who on a new one))))

        Moldova is near. There, too, "intellectuals" are in power. laughing

        laughing That's what Gene lives))))
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 March 2021 18: 16
    +5
    Gathered in Ukraine nationalize enterprise "Motor Sich"
    What is the correct proud word, in practice the Sumerians will shoe someone again. repeat
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 4 March 2021 18: 27
    +2
    The Chinese are also thrown for loot, like, we forgave you everything, smoke bamboo? Lohatron in the law, and laws from a foreign owner, it is more expensive to break them. ...
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 4 March 2021 18: 29
    +3
    They have not nationalization, but nationalization, and then, with the permission of the State Department. ...
  6. Cowbra
    Cowbra 4 March 2021 18: 43
    0
    It is for this reason that in Ukraine they always laugh at the raguli - their absolutely exorbitant greed manifests itself simultaneously with absolutely clinical stupidity. You thought, "What about us?" - is this a joke? Well, watch the reality - they want to steal from China what they themselves were then going to sell to China. And we are absolutely sure that China will buy and will not notice anything!
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 4 March 2021 21: 54
      +1
      And the Ukrainians just stole from the Jews, and tweaked the saying to fit their mentality. Sell, steal and sell again at a higher price. laughing
  7. Mouse
    Mouse 4 March 2021 18: 48
    +10
    Experts believe that the decision was not made in Kiev at all, but in Washington, and the Ukrainian authorities only voiced it.

    The states will take it ... along with a saucer with a blue border ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 March 2021 18: 55
      +9
      Quote: Mouse
      States and will take away ... along with a saucer and with a blue border

      Hardly. The USA does not need it. There are SO MUCH plundered. Rather, the United States wants to annoy China, the more they know the Ukrainians well, and look forward to how they will throw the Chinese.
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 4 March 2021 19: 00
        +6
        Rather, the United States wants to annoy China, the more they know the Ukrainians well, and look forward to how they will throw the Chinese.

        Agree that already devidends ... wink
        love
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 4 March 2021 20: 32
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Mouse
        States and will take away ... along with a saucer and with a blue border

        Hardly. The USA does not need it. There are SO MUCH plundered. Rather, the United States wants to annoy China, the more they know the Ukrainians well, and look forward to how they will throw the Chinese.

        Yes, who would have thought that the Americans could use the ancients in the dark winked
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 4 March 2021 18: 57
      +7
      Quote: Mouse
      The states will take it ... along with a saucer with a blue border ...

      Not a Mouse hi will not be taken, why should they? They will make every possible effort so that no one gets it, from the word in general - "at the expense" and that's the end of it.
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 4 March 2021 19: 03
        +3
        Great! hi
        First, they will lay a paw, as usual ... and then they will think about what to do with it ... yes
        Actions precede thought ... wassat
        1. Russia
          Russia 4 March 2021 19: 26
          +2
          hi The best thing for Americans is to bury this rudiment. yes Fuck a tambourine for a priest and a button accordion for a Papuan. It is in the part of Ukraine and China that they have such a thought. yes
          1. Mouse
            Mouse 4 March 2021 19: 30
            +2
            Master master ... I want to bury, I want to wait ... winked
            hi
            The fact is that the states will decide ... as they say, I myself will not rage and I will not give it to another winked
            1. Russia
              Russia 4 March 2021 19: 34
              +1
              Not every country, by virtue of its capabilities, can develop and produce engines, "not every country" should be reduced by one. yes
              1. Mouse
                Mouse 4 March 2021 19: 39
                +2
                one should be less

                Is she there? Or is it just an appearance? recourse
                1. Russia
                  Russia 4 March 2021 19: 43
                  +2
                  For the Americans it is not visibility, they act for sure and will bring this idea to an end. yes
                  1. Mouse
                    Mouse 4 March 2021 19: 46
                    +2
                    So I say ... as long as the states need it, the colony will exist, but as a country they did not need it from the very beginning ...
                    A talking parrot, what they teach, then says ... no more ...
                    1. Russia
                      Russia 4 March 2021 19: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: Mouse
                      The talking parrot says what they teach ...

                      Yeah, and a monkey with a grenade, it looks like it's all going. yes
                      1. Mouse
                        Mouse 4 March 2021 19: 59
                        +2
                        The states will give a grenade, and they will urge this monkey ...
                        We must be ready for anything! yes
                      2. ul_vitalii
                        ul_vitalii 4 March 2021 20: 09
                        +3
                        Quote: Mouse
                        The states will give a grenade, and they will urge this monkey ...
                        We must be ready for anything! yes

                        But the fat needs to be hidden smile
          2. Russ
            Russ 4 March 2021 20: 19
            +6
            I want to bury, I want to wait

            The funerals are still ... that can't be taken away ...
      2. A good one
        A good one 4 March 2021 19: 57
        0
        Quote: Mouse
        Actions precede thought ...

        Aha, a question jumped up and an idea flowed. winked
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 4 March 2021 20: 01
          +1
          Flowed, flowed ... and everything flowed out ... wassat
          1. A good one
            A good one 4 March 2021 20: 04
            0
            Yeah, all the strength is in the buttocks. A place for reckoning and prevention from covid. lol
  • sir Galant
    sir Galant 4 March 2021 18: 50
    +5
    right - crested - all nationalize and bury!
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS 4 March 2021 19: 10
      +10
      when Hochol was born - the Jew cried
      1. sir Galant
        sir Galant 4 March 2021 19: 11
        +7
        it's true - I saw it myself)
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 4 March 2021 18: 52
    +3
    Well, that's all ... Sleep well Motor Sich. But they could develop and receive good money.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 4 March 2021 20: 45
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      Well, that's all ... Sleep well Motor Sich. But they could develop and receive good money.

      Then it doesn't work "Wedding in Malinovka" request
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 March 2021 18: 55
    +2
    Well, if the servants got down to business, then you can order a requiem for the Motor.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 4 March 2021 18: 58
    +3
    The Chinese have already rolled out ruin on Soviet motor technology. But fuck them in all the breathing and puffing holes, and the rolling machine.
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 4 March 2021 19: 15
      +4
      If we face the truth, then the Soviet motor technologies were sold by the Kraints long ago ........
      1. Russia
        Russia 4 March 2021 19: 38
        +3
        Alloys and technologies are of interest to them. yes
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 4 March 2021 20: 46
        +5
        Quote: Mouse
        If we face the truth, then the Soviet motor technologies were sold by the Kraints long ago ........

        You don't know them well winked They made copies and now they will be sold yes
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 4 March 2021 20: 51
          +2
          copies were made and now they will be sold

          Dubbing ... fucking ... fucking ... fucking ... wassat
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 4 March 2021 20: 57
            +4
            Quote: Mouse
            copies were made and now they will be sold

            Dubbing ... fucking ... fucking ... fucking ... wassat

            Bobs ... blah ... blah fellow
            1. Mouse
              Mouse 4 March 2021 20: 59
              +3
              We understood each other ... wink
              drinks
  • bar
    bar 4 March 2021 19: 12
    +1
    "The new status of the company will become an argument in negotiations with China"

    The Chinese will be asked for more money for a company with a new status laughing
  • rocket757
    rocket757 4 March 2021 19: 12
    +1
    This is exactly the enterprise that can not only survive, but also work ... but it is NOT LONG, it looks like it is green and its grabs reached out to it.
    1. cniza
      cniza 4 March 2021 21: 16
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      This is exactly the enterprise that can not only survive, but also work ... but it is NOT LONG, it looks like it is green and its grabs reached out to it.


      Here you need to know the essence of raguli, they themselves, as they always deceive ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 March 2021 07: 41
        +1
        This is not uncommon at all, in the post-Soviet space.
        The authorities grabbed, but God did not give brains ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 5 March 2021 09: 08
          +2
          Unfortunately, we have enough of this too ...
          Good morning! hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 March 2021 09: 21
            0
            Good morning soldier
            So yes, enough. We also have a large scale, we are big, there is a place to roam and everyone, different.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 4 March 2021 19: 16
    +1
    Nationalize and "distribute".
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 4 March 2021 19: 32
    +1
    The Chinese have already invested money. This can go sideways for Ukrainians ...
  • Andrea
    Andrea 4 March 2021 19: 36
    +2
    Money is nothing, image is everything. For the sake of saving face, China will roll the square into stale.
  • Avior
    Avior 4 March 2021 20: 14
    +3
    ... It can be assumed that in this way the Ukrainian authorities are trying to take all the private assets of the Motor Sich enterprise into their own hands, and after the nationalization of the enterprise, sell it to the same Chinese companies.

    You can assume if you do not know the essence of the issue
    Most of the property belongs to the Chinese indirectly, they paid Boguslaev for offshore companies, which own the shares.
    Thus, Boguslaev should not return anything, since he did not formally sell the shares, he sold the firms that owned the shares.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 4 March 2021 20: 39
    0
    Selling Motor Sich a couple of three times, like in Europe!
    I think real investments in the country will not threaten for a long time
    1. cniza
      cniza 4 March 2021 21: 14
      0
      Europe is not resting, these are ahead of everyone ...
  • cniza
    cniza 4 March 2021 21: 14
    0
    In Ukraine, they gathered to nationalize the Motor Sich enterprise


    And what will they pay with China?
  • Dimide
    Dimide 4 March 2021 22: 25
    -3
    After the SBU "rummaged" in Zaporozhye and the NSDC considered the materials, initial organizational conclusions followed. I'm waiting for the second series, someone must suffer
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 5 March 2021 00: 06
    -1
    To "nationalize" you need a nation to begin with.
    And there is just a crowd of skakuas.
  • Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 5 March 2021 10: 50
    0
    imposed sanctions on Chinese investors - companies that were going to become owners of an engine building enterprise

    interesting wording of "gathered", didn't they pay and thereby became the owners?
  • svoit
    svoit 5 March 2021 12: 42
    0
    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    Well, not a single high-tech production can work in Ukraine, they will not give it.

    Maybe it can, but it shouldn't
  • svoit
    svoit 5 March 2021 13: 07
    -1
    Quote: cniza

    And what will they pay with China?

    You shouldn't worry about them, as usual they will rip off from Gazprom through some kind of court. And after nationalization it is so easy, because the state will now be responsible for the debts, and its mechanism has long been worked out
  • Looking for
    Looking for 5 March 2021 16: 20
    -1
    Well, that means not much time left ...