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British observer: Russians once lived so poorly that no sanctions could frighten them

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British observer: Russians once lived so poorly that no sanctions could frighten them

The British press released material from Felix Light, considering the new sanctions that the collective West has imposed on Russia. We are talking about the sanctions that were almost simultaneously imposed against the Russian Federation by the United States of America and the European Union, and this time none of the EU countries objected. These sanctions are connected with the alleged poisoning of Alexei Navalny by Novichok. No evidence of the use of this chemical warfare agent was provided, but sanctions were not long in coming.


At the same time, a considerable number of experts in the Western press speak in the spirit that sanctions against Russia are to a greater extent symbolic. "Sanctions for the sake of sanctions, to reassure ourselves and try to convince ourselves that it is paying off."

The aforementioned British columnist Felix Light writes that a tendency is becoming apparent that the mass scale of protests in Russia against the president of the country is declining. If at first tens of thousands of protesters gathered on the streets, now there are tens, or even hundreds of times less. The author notes that the Russian authorities are not going to give the protesters an opportunity to seize the initiative.

For obvious reasons, the decline in protest activity in Russia worries the collective West. That is why it was decided to impose sanctions "in a single impulse". Recall that they concern several heads of law enforcement agencies, including the prosecutor general and the head of the ICR, as well as chemical industry enterprises. Allegedly, these enterprises "are involved in the creation of a chemical weapons". This is despite the fact that a few years ago Russia destroyed all of its chemical weapons, unlike, by the way, the United States itself. Moreover, the destruction of the chemical arsenal of the Russian Federation was recorded and confirmed by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.

The British author writes that sanctions, of course, can bear some fruit, but for ordinary Russians they will not work in any way. F. Light notes that "the Russians at one time lived so poorly that no sanctions could frighten them." This statement actually makes it clear that the West is introducing its sanctions primarily in order to make life more difficult for ordinary Russians. The truth about the sanctions against the security forces can hardly be said that they can somehow be connected with the level of well-being of ordinary Russian citizens.

The author writes that the economic situation in Russia today is quite difficult, but not more complicated than it was at the time. At the same time, it is in no way comparable to what it was in the 1990s "or in the 1950s under the USSR."

Felix Light:

It was much worse then. And today's time for the largest country in the world can be called quite good from an economic point of view.

The author writes that this is why most Russians do not trust Navalny and his calls for change.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 4 March 2021 13: 46
    +7
    At the same time, it is in no way comparable to what it was in the 1990s "or in the 1950s under the USSR."

    In the 90s it is clear that this was created by their hands .. and where does the 50th?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 4 March 2021 13: 49
      +33
      and what does the 50th have to do with it
      This author remembered his childhood and got confused. wassat In England, until the 54th, even stale stinking cod was sold on coupons. False memory, however.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 4 March 2021 14: 03
        +29
        Quote: NDR-791
        In England, until the 54th, even stale stinking cod was sold on coupons.

        Not by coupons, but by cards, colleague.
        By the way, the USSR was the first of the belligerent countries to abolish food cards after the war.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 4 March 2021 14: 12
          -36%
          No evidence of the use of this chemical warfare agent was provided.

          There was also no evidence of the shelling of the hospital in Azaz by the Russian military until the Russian Ministry of Defense accidentally published it. Actually, this case illustrates, on the one hand, why the West stopped reacting in any way to Russian demands for evidence, and on the other hand, the degree of incompetence that certain state structures have reached, and with which the argument “if they wanted to kill, they would kill "no longer works. After all, if they didn’t want to upload a video of a missile attack on a hospital, they wouldn’t have posted it either, right?
          1. Kart
            Kart 4 March 2021 14: 33
            +9
            What kind of proof are we talking about?
            Not everyone knows. Maybe a link?
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 4 March 2021 14: 39
              -23%
              Here's the news about it - https://topwar.ru/180376-amerikanskie-media-rasprostranjajut-fejk-o-jakoby-udare-po-gospitalju-v-sirii-posle-demonstracii-kadrov-primenenija-otrk-iskander.html - but for the sake of clarity, please take a look at the comments.
              1. volodimer
                volodimer 4 March 2021 16: 18
                +14
                Those. View your comments? By the number of nicknames you decided to make the fake true? If only the texts in the posts were changed! negative I read carefully and open-mindedly. But this is a rare hack! am
              2. Kart
                Kart 4 March 2021 16: 19
                +5
                He looked in.
                After the furious gurgling and side-shaking of some of the commentators, I found this:

                https://topcor.ru/18804-rossija-opublikovala-dokazatelstva-svoego-udara-po-bolnice-v-sirii-razvenchivaem-lozh-zapada.html
                "Russia published evidence of its strike on a hospital in Syria": debunking the lies of the West

                Well, what was required to prove.
                1. volodimer
                  volodimer 4 March 2021 18: 15
                  +8
                  How could you expose the unwanted! laughing
          2. Dym71
            Dym71 4 March 2021 14: 39
            +7
            Quote: military_cat
            Actually, this case illustrates, on the one hand, why the West has ceased to react in any way to Russian demands for evidence.

            A very dubious argument in defense of the "enlightened" West, very negative
          3. sleeve
            sleeve 4 March 2021 15: 18
            +2
            Excuse me, is this the very blow that the Turks talked about, who have not fully decided what it was - a missile, aviation or a "ballistic missile from the Caspian flotilla"? And the rocket version appeared immediately after my readiness to publish the flight routes for that day?
          4. Dart2027
            Dart2027 4 March 2021 15: 44
            +7
            Quote: military_cat
            There was also no evidence of Russian military shelling of a hospital in Azaz.
            and not until now.
          5. Olgovich
            Olgovich 4 March 2021 16: 21
            +10
            Quote: military_cat
            why the West stopped reacting in any way to Russian demands for evidence,


            The West is mired and entangled in your endless LIES and simply cannot answer anything to simple and clear questions... It is easier for them to be silent, otherwise they will be in deep ne. eg,

            You ask your dumb West -why still not passed not only court on the fact of "poisoning" of the Skripals, but even ... a criminal case was not initiatedon the fact of their "poisoning" that occurred on ... its territory. belay request ? This is HOW can it be? Afraid to dig yourself out? Russia, moreover, has started your .. no.

            Why to fromtheir pores no .... trial on Litvinenko and so on?
            Quote: military_cat
            with which the argument "if they wanted to kill, they would kill" no longer works.


            and your traps say that "if they wanted to kill, they would kill"- very much even works and even give examples of Litvinenko, Germans and modern oppos, etc., etc.

            Again you have some kind of nonsense ... request
          6. bk0010
            bk0010 4 March 2021 20: 54
            0
            Actually, this case illustrates, on the one hand, why the West has ceased to react in any way to Russian demands for evidence.
            Because they shamelessly lie, they don't even bother with fabricating forgeries. It is time to teach Western journalists and politicians to be "responsible for the bazaar": the demand for evidence, if you did not provide concrete evidence (not "highley like", but real) within 2 weeks - to blame tightly. Make it so that slandering Russia was not a way to make a career or cut money, but an unpleasant option for suicide.
        2. Machito
          Machito 4 March 2021 15: 17
          +7
          Joke. A monkey walks across Red Square and shouts:
          Sanctions?!!! Sanctions!!! And I, as I walked naked, will continue to walk.
          After the collapse of the USSR, the 90s, the crises of 1990-2021, the words crisis, sanctions, devaluation, inflation and other degradations do not cause absolutely any emotions.
          Our whole life is a continuous crisis. We live contrary to all logic and enemies.
          And tomorrow to the battle. Rest only in our dreams. (FROM)
        3. zloybond
          zloybond 4 March 2021 20: 27
          0
          We are working to the full extent without sanctions for their economy and the welfare of their citizens. State money is invested in their debts, and we take it at interest somewhere. But specifically now it would be possible to transfer all salary payments of the military, pensioners and civil servants from Sberbank to some kind of purely Russian Bank. And instead of the big money to withdraw to foreign savings holders, this money would remain in Russia for the use of the national economy. What prevents to act more patriotic ??? Ato we are fooled here by advertising, about the fact that a huge number of people trust and use Sberbank. But what kind of trust is there - just an obligation. Military pensions, pensions of citizens, salaries of the military, civil servants - everything goes to the Sberbank obligation and then huge percentages of profits to the holders of Sberbank shares abroad ...
          1. d1975
            d1975 6 March 2021 09: 05
            +1
            You speak correctly about Sberbank. All acquaintances who adequately withdraw money from it. We were engaged in business on the ground, so to speak, agrarian, and that, with only sticks in the wheels, we transferred accounts to the RSHB, while we are satisfied, and there it is not clear what to expect. The main thing is to watch less TV, especially the first three channels, well, it's a round-the-clock lie. And what kind of patriotism can we talk about, if they have everything there, who rules the country. There is no ideology in the country. The Unified State Exam finishes off the last thing that was good in the Soviet system - education. And Greff is the first liberal in the country, read his statement and video, it's just anti-state. hi
      2. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 14: 15
        +3
        In England, until the 54th, even stale stinking cod was sold on coupons.
        Fish were not sold by ration cards.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_Kingdom#Timeline
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 14: 36
          +6
          By the way, here is the British ration ration for one in 1951. Candy (also on cards), apparently even for a photo, could not be obtained. Yes, reindeer, whale and horse meat were sold outside the rationing system.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 14: 44
            +3
            Bread - until February 1, 1949 - was on ration cards in France.
          2. volodimer
            volodimer 4 March 2021 16: 46
            +4
            Interestingly, but margarine and cooking oil, which occupy a very solid ration volume, are so different in use? Okay, there is no flour in the picture, so margarine for the dough ... Fat for cooking vegetables (which are also not in the photo). But there is also butter and bacon ... which can also be used for dough and for cooking, respectively. Or you can just gobble up ...
            Since when did cod become "smelly"? Only if it was stored for a long time, and in England there were no places for long-term storage, and even more so no one would store it for a long time in post-war conditions.
            I am disgusted with arrogance, but it’s stupid to slide down to their level and invent sins for them that they didn’t have.
            "In England, until the 54th, even stale stinking cod was sold on coupons"Sounds powerful, just like" bears with balalaikas. "
            Opponent belittling leads to his underestimation. "Colossus with feet of clay"has already shown the entire" civilized "world what it really costs. We should not take this path.
            Small Britain, of course, has not been the "mistress of the seas" for a long time, but let it die itself. We'll see.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 17: 03
              0
              Margarine came instead of butter for food. Cooking oil is almost exclusively for frying (although there are baking recipes with it). Vegetables, with the exception of potatoes, were sold without coupons.
              British scientists Elsie Widdowson and Robert McCance in Cambridge put themselves on an experiment - they ate only UK-made in reduced-ration-quantities for 3 months. It turned out that besides flatulence, there were no problems.
              let it die by itself. We'll see.
              There is such a nation that is waiting for Russia to fall apart, so that it can grow its territories yes They grow rich in Duma. Are you there?
              1. volodimer
                volodimer 4 March 2021 17: 11
                +2
                There is such a nation, waiting for Russia to fall apart, so that the territories get better. Yes Dumkoy is getting rich. Are you there?

                Do not offend! I do not expect to gain anything from the death of the patchwork for us, except maybe the return of the loot. AND "let her die herself. And we'll see" it is an echo of the Eastern approach. "if you sit for a long time on the bank of the river, you can see how the corpse of your enemy floats by" Something like this hi
                And yes, two grandfathers are Ukrainians, two grandmothers are Russian fellow
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 17: 16
                  -1
                  it is an echo of the Eastern approach.
                  This eastern approach can lead to a postponed butt. Can't you just live?
                  1. volodimer
                    volodimer 4 March 2021 17: 33
                    +2
                    Alex, I thought that you already understood that I absolutely did not care about the fate of that empire. But to set the main task of the existence of our country, "overthrow of the British monarchy" is nonsense. Also:
                    I have always been amazed at the purpose of the existence of a neighboring state. Instead of what would: "create a state in which its citizens will live well," they created a "state", thanks to the existence of which, the citizens of both their own and neighboring (neighboring) states live badly.
                    [I]
                    This eastern approach can lead to a postponed butt. Can't you just live? [
                    /I]
                    I do not mind, right to Donbass tomorrow to their home harbor ... But no. Therefore, we are waiting.
                  2. volodimer
                    volodimer 4 March 2021 18: 10
                    +1
                    Can't you just live?

                    And what do you have under "And simply live in any way"?
                    I was hooked. Yes, we "just lived" like that and got a bunch of hostile quasi-state formations nearby. What to do with it now? Return by armed means? Or remove our transit from them .. and leave them on "beans". And wait .. SP-2 on the example of Poland and Ukraine is a vivid example that it is possible to do without MTR. and
                    the corpse of your enemy will float by
                    And the fifth point will tolerate, this is her task. The main thing is that during the waiting time other muscles do not atrophy and be ready for action. Again: hi
                    .
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 18: 17
                      -1
                      Yes, we "just lived" like that and got a bunch of hostile quasi-state formations nearby.
                      To develop a powerful economy (yes, at least with GDP on the nose at the level of the Czech Republic), self-sufficient on the basis of its own resources. Then everyone will want to be friends and there will be no provocations.
                      1. Mountain shooter
                        Mountain shooter 4 March 2021 23: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        To develop a powerful economy (yes, at least with GDP on the nose at the level of the Czech Republic), self-sufficient on the basis of its own resources. Then everyone will want to be friends and there will be no provocations.

                        Have you been to the Czech Republic? Do they live much better than us? Well, never ...
                      2. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 23: 53
                        -4
                        Was. Yes, it's better - they go from Russia to the Czech Republic to live, and not vice versa. There, first of all, the property stratification is less.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 March 2021 14: 27
      +9
      Quote: NDR-791
      In England, until the 54th, even stale stinking cod was sold on coupons.

      And they still plug the sink with a cork, draw water and wash from the sink. This is not a fake, but I saw it myself when I lived with him.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 14: 33
        -5
        This is not a fake, but I saw it myself when I lived with him.
        Where did you meet such a dinosaur? Now even separate taps cannot be found - there are mixers everywhere.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 March 2021 16: 30
          +1
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Where did you meet such a dinosaur? Now even separate taps cannot be found - there are mixers everywhere.

          Faucets are standing, and water is collected in the sink. Dinosaurs in the Shetland Islands, North Shetland and Wales for sure.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 16: 33
            0
            I have never met a single such lover in London. But I admit that everyone is going crazy in their own way. I even knew one captain - he tried to deceive the water meters yes with varied success. Water bill per year by the way, about 150 pounds.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 4 March 2021 17: 13
              +1
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              I have never met a single such lover in London.

              London is already a civilization. And on the outskirts, everything is the old fashioned way. Even moonshine is driven.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 17: 19
                -1
                And on the outskirts, everything is the old fashioned way. Even moonshine is driven.
                I also drove. Only dumb-by smell can be tracked down, and for this in England they are being prosecuted. A friend - an Englishman said - the whole street will think the Scots have settled laughing .
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 4 March 2021 18: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  A friend - an Englishman said - the whole street will think the Scots have settled

                  Well it was there, the islands and northern Scotland.
  2. Civil
    Civil 4 March 2021 13: 51
    -1
    "Russians at one time lived so poorly that no sanctions could frighten them."

    We didn’t live richly, there’s nothing to start.
    Money is not a penny, but glory is good.
    Rich, but crooked; poor, but straight.
    Bread and water and pie with a vengeance.
    Without money, sleep is stronger.
    Poverty is not a vice.
    Need is polite, need is quick-witted.

    Minister of Finance A.G. Siluanov
  3. Invoce
    Invoce 4 March 2021 13: 53
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    At the same time, it is in no way comparable to what it was in the 1990s "or in the 1950s under the USSR."

    In the 90s it is clear that this was created by their hands .. and where does the 50th?

    British observer: Russians once lived so poorly that no sanctions could frighten them

    Think correctly! The memory of the people still has fresh memories of the "well-fed" life in the 50s, 70s, 90s, 2000s of our history among the majority of the population of Russia.
    The lack of toilet paper and Pepsi Cola, and in general many other Russians, cannot be frightened ... For us, any ditch, if we are pushed there, becomes a trench. And the sanctions they are more terrible for oligarchs and those who work for themselves, and then for their homeland.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 March 2021 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: Invoce
      The memory of the people still has fresh memories of the "well-fed" life in the 50s, 70s, 90s, 2000s of our history among the majority of the population of Russia.

      I don't know who thinks so about the 50s, but from 1953 to 1960, they did not live well, but they did not starve. Well, and already the 70s, it was a well-fed life, and you will not see this even now.
      1. Dmitry Donskoy
        Dmitry Donskoy 4 March 2021 15: 17
        +5
        I don’t know where you lived satisfyingly in the 70s, but I, being small in the morning in the Saratov region, Engels, took a queue at the store for a soup set on bones, so that my mother could buy and cook something in the evening. years while we lived there, forever from hand to mouth. So do not confuse Moscow and the outback. This is now everything and everywhere in bulk. hi
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 4 March 2021 15: 30
          +4
          And we had everything before Afgan.
          Since the 79th sausage, cheese and butter have disappeared from the market. Rostov region, if that.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 March 2021 16: 56
          0
          Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
          I don’t know where you lived satisfyingly in the 70s, but I, being small in the morning in the Saratov region, Engels, took a queue at the store for a soup set on bones

          My parents at that time lived in the Smolensk region. also not the center, but there was good food. Although when I went on vacation, I always carried about 10 kg. raw-dried sausages.
        3. not main
          not main 5 March 2021 00: 46
          0
          It's hard to argue with a person who has already created a "stereotype", of course I know that the memorial "cranes" in Saratov was nicknamed "the last meat flies away." Yes, it was all! But they did not live from hand to mouth! Yes, they did not fatten, but they did not starve either! And at that time I lived not in Moscow, but in the Karelian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic!
      2. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 5 March 2021 17: 30
        0
        Peter. The 60s and 70s is the main meal of the prison family. Crumbled bread in a plate with milk. They did not starve, but there was no more.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 March 2021 17: 50
          +1
          Quote: Alex Justice
          Peter. The 60s and 70s is the main meal of the prison family. Crumbled bread in a plate with milk. They did not starve, but there was no more.

          In St. Petersburg, jail? I arrived in St. Petersburg in 1964, my grandmother lived on Lesnoy Prospekt, in this house is the Vyborg department store. Yes, there was only no bird's milk, and my grandmother's pension was 85 rubles. But excuse us and the "jail" was not close.
    2. ivan2022
      ivan2022 4 March 2021 14: 52
      +4
      Quote: Invoce
      The lack of toilet paper and Pepsi Cola, and in general many other Russians, cannot be frightened ..

      Over the past 25 years, I've noticed that the direction of propaganda has changed. In the 90s they said; “Show that you are a man and you can earn money yourself, without the“ big daddy ”state, which will give you a salary and housing." But now the old is forgotten and the speeches are different; "They lived poorly in the USSR."
      If you recall, in the USSR what was necessary was guaranteed in practice, education, medical assistance (by the 70th year, the USSR was in the top 10 in terms of life expectancy in the world, and now the Russian Federation is not included in the top-100), housing. By the end of the 70s, in addition to those on the waiting list, there were housing cooperatives. Cooperative. The three-ruble note was 10 thousand rubles and was paid for 10 years. How is the mortgage paid now, if the price in dollars has increased by an order of magnitude? I don't even really understand. However, now families are being created "conditionally", so the need for housing is not so hot .... Extinction is also a way to adapt to conditions. BUT EVERYBODY HAS WHEELS! Even the fuck have crashed to death over the past 25 years, more than half a million .... and nothing, they were not scared .... but this is a sign of dementia, normal would definitely be scared.
      There are some things that normal people should not allow!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 March 2021 17: 00
        +2
        Quote: ivan2022
        Cooperative. The three-ruble note was 10 thousand rubles and was paid for 10 years.

        That's right, I paid 10 rubles for a three ruble note. Practically within three years received.
  4. Fir.S.
    Fir.S. 4 March 2021 13: 56
    +5
    Yes, for them the main thing is not just the year, but the mention of the Soviet Union! And then, THERE, they understand such an author very well ...
  5. paul3390
    paul3390 4 March 2021 14: 04
    +8
    Yes, our native government is satisfied with such sanctions that the Western ones are simply not noticeable against their background ..
  6. Cosm22
    Cosm22 4 March 2021 14: 11
    +1
    50s I don’t know.
    But what does the Russian people have to do with it?
    "The British author writes that the sanctions, of course, can bring some fruit, but for ordinary Russians they will not work in any way ... This statement actually makes it clear that the West is introducing its sanctions, first of all, so that ordinary Russians it's harder to live. "
    Sanctions were not imposed against ordinary Russians.
    The latest sanctions have been introduced against a number of senior officials of the Russian Federation. And this stratum of people has never lived in poverty.
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 4 March 2021 14: 58
      +2
      Quote: Cosm22
      50s I don’t know.
      But what does the Russian people have to do with it??
      "The British author writes that the sanctions, of course, can bring some fruit, but for ordinary Russians they will not work in any way ... This statement actually makes it clear that the West is introducing its sanctions, first of all, so that ordinary Russians it's harder to live. "
      Sanctions were not imposed against ordinary Russians.
      The latest sanctions have been introduced against a number of senior officials of the Russian Federation. And this stratum of people has never lived in poverty.

      For us, ordinary people, an indirect sign of the imposed sanctions is the increase in prices. But this could be neutralized if financiers invested money in the Russian economy, and not in $.
      Sanctions against ordinary people are imposed by "our" oligarchs to compensate for their losses.
      laughing sanctions imposed against senior officials of the Russian Federation prohibit them from traveling to countries that have imposed sanctions laughing laughing , have cash accounts in the same place laughing (freeze them, if they exist, but these persons are prohibited from having DS abroad), and are prohibited from providing ECONOMIC !!!! laughing help Russia! As if she had ever been before, free of charge.
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 4 March 2021 14: 59
      -2
      Sanctions against chemical plants? ABOUT! Will our sausage become less "chemical"? Not. On the contrary. Earlier, our enterprises sold this muck not only in our market, but also drove it to the west, where it was eagerly bought up thanks to the dumping of those selling. Now, we will have to eat it all inside the country. laughing Joke. By the way, the fact that absolutely all EU countries in one impulse voted for "sanctions" together with the United States is a bad sign. Apparently Biden's threats against the EU had an effect. I mean, he threatened that the US would refuse to cooperate with the EU if the EU countries did not come together to support the US or the initiatives of the European Parliament and the EU Government in Brussels. So the Kremlin's attempt to "conduct a dialogue" with individual, sane countries of Europe, instead of the kagala, which is run by frogs from the Baltic states and Poland, failed. The EU has taken the US threats into account and will now trample on Russia together with them, in a united front. Judging by the fact that they began to impose, under far-fetched pretexts, sanctions against large enterprises in the sectors of the Russian economy, the sworn partners moved on to the second stage of "strangulation" of Russia - from targeted sanctions against individual personalities to the isolation of leading enterprises, companies of different sectors of the economy, on which it depends the well-being of the whole country and the imposition of sanctions against them. In addition, most likely, sanctions will be introduced in the financial sphere - the termination of servicing the state debt of Russia, a ban on the placement of securities of the Central Bank of Russia on stock exchanges and stock markets, restrictions on the placement of securities of Russian enterprises, etc. It seems that they took us seriously. The bad news is that we, in fact, have nothing to answer them ...
  7. dedusik
    dedusik 4 March 2021 16: 01
    -1
    Well, he turned down about the 50s, he saw with his own eyes the abundance in stores at ridiculous prices, which cannot be said about the 60s, and even more so about the 80s.
  8. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 March 2021 16: 34
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    In the 90s it is clear that this was created by their hands .. and where does the 50th?
    So everything on the island is a tree. fool He remembered how Britain canceled grocery cards in 54 ... so we too. fool
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 4 March 2021 13: 47
    +17
    We lived so poorly, but the refrigerators were full. The sausage turned green in the refrigerator on the third day, the milk and kefir sour on the second day, the beer disappeared the next day. The cottage cheese did not burn. only Amateur and Crankshaft. The fish and canned food from it did not smell like fish meal. I miss the quality, I got this chemistry.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 13: 50
      +7
      the beer was gone the next day
      It's not hard to guess where drinks Turned into urine and good mood yes
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 March 2021 13: 55
        +4
        He definitely didn't have time to sour. If you only earn money, on day 4 he has a kerdy. I didn't have any problems with beer, there was a brewery in the city. You can go to a beer bar. One for each district.
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 4 March 2021 14: 39
          +3
          tralflot1832 -Do not bother your soul, so you want to return to your native seventies of the twentieth century at least for a day! !! crying crying am negative Live at least one day in the SOVIET way! !!! good
        2. venik
          venik 4 March 2021 16: 46
          +1
          Quote: tralflot1832
          If you only earn money, on the 4th day he has a kerdyk.

          =======
          Because the beer was "live" - ​​not pasteurized! Now its ("live" beer) taste is almost forgotten! You can only meet in a few pubs, and occasionally in the provinces - i.e. where there are mini-breweries ..... drinks
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 4 March 2021 13: 51
      +4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      but the refrigerators were full. The sausage turned green in the refrigerator on the third day, the milk with kefir sour on the second day, the beer disappeared the next day. The cottage cheese did not burn as you didn’t light it up. The cigarettes were made of tobacco, not paper. The water was bad only Amateur and Crankshaft. The fish and canned food from it did not smell like fish meal. I miss the quality, I got this chemistry.

      I agree very much ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 March 2021 14: 00
        +10
        About canned meat ... about pieces of beef in cans, not tails, ears, and you don't understand what, you forgot to write!
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 4 March 2021 14: 05
          +6
          The tourist's breakfast, not fish, but meat. Carnivore is a separate topic. Avoid from submariners, sealed in jars.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 March 2021 14: 10
            +2
            EXACTLY !!! It was breakfast ... student lunch and dinner! And not because there was no money at all, but because .... THE GIRLS were beautiful, beautiful !!! Can't you refuse such, in a little what.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 4 March 2021 14: 14
              +7
              You definitely noticed this about the girls, slender, without pegs, as if they just leaned back from the zone, moderately made up in knee-length dresses. fellow
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 4 March 2021 14: 56
                +2
                Such rubbish as tattoos, this .... I wanted to write from hell, but the route was more ornate! Somewhere from time immemorial it was so, but they brought us a long, long route .... such an abomination, tf-y.
                At the expense of the length of the skirts, sho can say ... the stages of a long journey and the jumps in world fashion! But, such belts of bashfulness that are now, perhaps, were not ... all the teachers, parents, the public - the granny on the benches at the entrances, vigilant purity and holiness with all responsibility and enthusiasm!
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 4 March 2021 15: 25
            +2
            Quote: tralflot1832
            The tourist's breakfast, not fish, but meat. Carnivore is a separate topic. Avoid from submariners, sealed in jars.

            There is nothing to argue about. Both those and others were. Meat - the same "tukha", only, unlike Orsk, meat is not of the highest, but of the second category. And fish - fish meatballs with pearl barley in tomato.
    3. Guru
      Guru 4 March 2021 13: 53
      +8
      the beer was gone the next day
      If only he lived until the next day. laughing
    4. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS 4 March 2021 13: 54
      +17
      I join the general nostalgia. Well, at least we found a port wine made from grapes and a cigarette with tobacco, the young did not try and will not know now what kind of animal this is so unknown - a natural product.
    5. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 4 March 2021 13: 58
      -11%
      That's for sure) full already heaps. A loaf of boiled sausage in one hand and my brother and dad and I stand in different directions to buy more) and the queues are such that my mother is dear .... everyone has their own memories of the USSR. Diluted sour cream by weight into the chlamin. The restored milk from which it turns out ...
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 March 2021 14: 02
        +6
        We had two collective farms near Murmansk with cows with milk yields from 14 to 17 thousand liters per year. I came to the middle lane with 5, 7 thousand liters. Not cows, but some goats.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 4 March 2021 14: 25
        +1
        There were just cities, but there were supplied according to the first category, closed cities, the capitals of the republics and the showcase of the USSR.
        Everything was.
        There was an anecdote about sausage trains .... and it was like that, black and red caviar in stores, crabs in cans on the shelves and .... stuff, stuff.
        There were vouchers to the sanatoriums of the Black Sea region and vouchers to Sovtur, when they let them out to see how they were there, in a city where the contrasts of capitalism.
        But our people did not go by taxi for bread.
        1. DmSol
          DmSol 4 March 2021 14: 56
          +8
          and most importantly, no one was afraid to be out of work and without a roof over their heads.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 March 2021 15: 06
            +5
            That's right. To be left without work, without means of subsistence, it was necessary to try hard .... at least, in the Brezhnev, "stagnant - golden" times it was like this.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 March 2021 16: 00
          +4
          Belugas were all caught - so black caviar began to cost a lot of money, since they began to breed it artificially.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 March 2021 16: 06
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Belugas were all caught

            Heavy topic, from simple crime to ecology ... even sturgeon is caught extremely rarely, because ... because.
        3. prior
          prior 4 March 2021 16: 46
          0
          Exactly. Sausage was transported from Moscow to Kaluga and Tver (Kalinin) by electric trains.
          ELECTRICIANS! They called it - long, green, smells like sausage fellow
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 March 2021 19: 09
            +1
            It was. And there is nothing to hide ... petty lies lead to a serious misunderstanding and rejection of everything indiscriminately.
            And to disassemble, look, take as an example, there is a reason.
      3. ivan2022
        ivan2022 4 March 2021 15: 10
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        A loaf of boiled sausage in one hand and my brother and dad and I stand in different directions to buy more) and the queues are such that my mother is dear .... everyone has their own memories of the USSR. Diluted sour cream by weight into the chlamin.


        Heh ... heh .. have you forgotten anything? And how cool and quickly this deficit ended! In early 1992, Yeltsin signed a decree on the market and in a couple of weeks everything appeared. Gaidar saved the Country and YOU ALL "DEAR RUSSIANS".
        There was no - and suddenly there is. A miracle equal to the biblical one happened. This only happens in the "Country of Fools". In a normal society, for such "miracles in a sieve", a politician would sit on an electric chair. And here I became the President for the second time.
        As for dairy products, I hasten to disappoint you. Rosstat admits that the level of production in the Russian Federation has not yet been restored in comparison with the RSFSR in 1989. Even though milk is not milk.
        The level of meat production was restored in 2015, albeit at the expense of poultry, which they learned to grow on hormones. THANKS GAYDAR AND BUSH (junior)!
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 4 March 2021 15: 17
          +2
          What are you?))) For whom are these fairy tales? There is meat now. And then it was stupidly not in stores. Now I can buy chilled pork for 259 rubles whenever I want, in my childhood everything was from my father's rations and that's it. In stores, it simply was not observed like that. Milk is now 100 times more than there was normal milk to choose from. Only near my city there are several dairy factories, not counting the neighbors from Primorye, Jews, Amurka, where there are also a bunch of them. Farmers also supply products. Wild competition. Constant sales. During the Soviet Union there was ONE in the city. You can play with numbers as much as you like. But I am a consumer and I see the difference as if immediately. And very demanding. I hate reconstituted milk in general. I feel right away
          1. ivan2022
            ivan2022 4 March 2021 15: 50
            0
            Quote: carstorm 11
            You can play with numbers as much as you like. But I am a consumer and I see the difference as if immediately.

            1. About the fact that "there was no meat in the USSR" - I do not need to lie. The collective farm market has always been very good. 5 rubles / kg, against the store price of 3 rubles. I am also a consumer and I remember that.
            2. Rosstat of the Russian Federation does not need to "play".
            3. You can see what is on the counter. And what was in the warehouse before the beginning of 1992 is not at all!
            4. Where did it come from, you can’t see either, and you’re not interested ..... The fact that millions of people like you can be fed, even by bringing 50-100 billion dollars to the West every year, doesn’t seem to interest you. Because you do not see THIS either. Then why do you need to participate in these discussions?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 4 March 2021 15: 59
              0
              I don't care about warehouses! I repeat CONSUMER! It was in the markets. I'm talking about shops within walking distance. Shops for people. Most go to. In which for some reason now there is everything.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 March 2021 16: 06
          -3
          Even though milk is not milk. Milk is just milk - but cheap milk is not milk. Pure palm trees in Russia produce 30 million tons of milk a year, some of which are exported to the domestic market - but, of course, natural value will not be sufficient for everyone.
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        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 4 March 2021 15: 21
          0
          I have no idea) I don't even pay attention to this nonsense)
        2. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 4 March 2021 15: 25
          0
          Quote: ivan2022
          Quote: carstorm 11
          That's for sure)

          In fact ... and you cannot explain why your post has 5 votes, 8 votes against, and in total, ZERO? Is this "accuracy" a consequence of a special relationship with the Administration? (04.03.2021-15; 15)

          Gave a bribe - I am a witness wassat what are you suspicious laughing fellow
          You just exit and re-enter the thread, see all the Pros - Cons, or do you want all the numbers online as on an electronic stopwatch to be displayed?
    6. Fir.S.
      Fir.S. 4 March 2021 13: 58
      +9
      Unfortunately, this will never happen again. Who / whatever we live about.
      But - yes, sad pride still prevails. I agree
    7. Malyuta
      Malyuta 4 March 2021 14: 00
      +9
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I miss the quality, I got this chemistry.

      That's for sure! Right now, it's palm oil at best.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 4 March 2021 14: 08
        +2
        quality products in bulk. with a palm tree stand on separate shelves and are specially marked as a second year if that. any dairy product with added vegetable fats. just don't buy them and that's it)
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 March 2021 14: 13
          +4
          There are products, in abundance, of different quality and prices ...
          So we are not about products, we are about the fact that the grass was greener before!
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 4 March 2021 15: 02
            0
            Well, this is for everyone), although I criticize the Union, this is my childhood. If you exclude all the everyday life, that time was great) You just grow up later and ..
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 4 March 2021 15: 14
              0
              We do not value what we have, we have lost and ...
              We have grown a lot, but memories, bright, and the rest, others, are always with us.
              Life goes on.
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 4 March 2021 14: 18
          +2
          Believe me, I went through all the dairy sausages from simple to premium, not that.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 March 2021 15: 12
            +1
            Conducted an experiment .... NAPOLEON, CYPRUS SHERE, PORTO, MARTINI, RUM .... that's just rum, Cuban, it turned out like then!
    8. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 4 March 2021 14: 01
      -11%
      We lived so poorly, but the refrigerators were full. The sausage turned green in the refrigerator on the third day, the milk with kefir sour on the second day, the beer disappeared the next day. The cottage cheese did not burn as you don’t light it. The cigarettes were made of tobacco, not paper. The vodka was bad. only Amateur and Crankshaft. The fish and canned food from it did not smell like fishmeal.

      Yeah. And the foam was also made from milk foam. You could feed the children.
      The force of gravity was weaker by 80 percent. People jumped into the house at a run.
      They didn't get drunk with vodka. In the nursery, children were sometimes given yogurt instead of yogurt, and the children only got better, they listened to their mother and asked to tell about Lenin.
      A person lived on average 150-190 years. Diseases did not exist, except for labor corns.
      If you stumble and fall on the street, people ran up, shoved money into their pockets, kissed them on the lips, offered to drink, become related.
      Hares and partridges immediately flew into the pan.
      Diseases could be cured with beer. You boil the crayfish, take it out of the bucket, splash a Zhigulevsky on him - and he once got oklematsya and ran as if nothing had happened.
      You buy bread - they pay you extra.
      It was scary to approach the river: burbots jumped into the bowler hat.
      Members of the Politburo came in a dream to single women, after 4,5 months they gave birth to Red Army soldiers, three at a time, and survived!
      The bread was high in calories, like an energy bar. I ate the edge - and I was full for a week, and therefore did not overeat.
      The water in the Volga was sweet as molasses. And the Yenisei consisted of dark beer.
      After school, everyone was forcibly taken to institutes, and from there they immediately arranged leading engineers to factories, they paid 500 rubles each, and a penny cost 200!
      Under Soviet rule, everyone owned factories, factories and other production, and those who did not want to own were imprisoned for parasitism, like the poet Brodsky.
      When there were no spaceships in the USSR, the Komsomol members themselves went into open space. They will climb Elbrus, and on the way into space they will run.
      Gasoline was not like it is now. He was good, rich! At the plant, they will refuel once - and you will drive the whole five-year period.
      My grandfather said: people woke up at night with happy, kind laughter. In the morning, everyone poured ice water from a bucket.
      In winter it was minus three hundred, and everyone was rosy. And all because the degrees were thicker, and absolute zero was more absolute.
      The General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee personally kissed everyone at night. He told a fairy tale to others.
      The berries grew at the edge of a cat's size. The cats were as big as a dog, a dog was as big as a cow, and a cow was as big as a workshop, and in the workshop the men played chess according to Botvinnik's method - they would checkmate with a knight from the first move!
      The gestation period was 4,5 months. Children were born at 12-15 kilograms with blond hair and clear blue eyes and strong-willed smart faces - they immediately asked for production.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 14: 09
        +12
        The gestation period was 4,5 months.
        In your case, it is clearly true wassat .
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 March 2021 14: 11
        +3
        Many letters, no one has read to the end. Write: I and my relatives lived poorly, because we were lazy.
        1. tasha
          tasha 4 March 2021 14: 25
          -1
          Many letters, no one has read to the end. Write: I and my relatives lived poorly, because we were lazy.
          I, my friend, decided not to put minuses in the comments.
          But I will object to you. You forgot to add - "but you were just out of luck" ...
          Not lazy - who is this? Store managers? Or hard workers who could have hurried in advance, make necessary friends, shove to anyone?
          "The artificially created" shortage "of goods caused protests from the population" - where do you think the quote comes from?
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 4 March 2021 14: 37
            0
            I have a saying: there was: the wolf was fed by the legs. There were no "necessary" friends. It was just that the money was fine, and therefore I was free to choose what to buy in the refrigerator and the family. But I remember the queues to the building cooperative and for the cars.
            1. tasha
              tasha 4 March 2021 14: 46
              0
              There is money - you buy everything, no money - you can't buy it .. Something reminds me of .. wink
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 5 March 2021 10: 03
              +1
              Quote: tralflot1832
              There were no necessary "friends. It was just okay with the money, and therefore I was free to choose what to buy in the refrigerator and the family. But I remember the queues for the building society and for the cars."

              One to one.
      3. Grits
        Grits 4 March 2021 14: 49
        +4
        Quote: Simon Schempp
        Under Soviet rule, everyone owned factories, factories and other production, and those who did not want to own were imprisoned for parasitism, like the poet Brodsky.

        True truth
    9. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 March 2021 14: 10
      -1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      .Cigarettes made of tobacco, not paper

      Oh yes, this is the perfect taste of Poljot cigarettes, from the Uritsky factory, and still makes many people sick of it.
      1. Kart
        Kart 4 March 2021 14: 40
        -7
        Yes, they are talking about the fictional USSR, do not pay attention.
        Exactly nothing that was written there actually happened.
      2. Grits
        Grits 4 March 2021 14: 51
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Oh yes, this is the perfect taste of Poljot cigarettes, from the Uritsky factory, and still makes many people sick of it.

        I'm not special in this, but my dad was a gourmet in this area. Could distinguish by "taste" any tobacco factory producing "Prima" or "Belomor"
      3. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 4 March 2021 20: 16
        +1
        You have strange acquaintances ... I remember the joke "how does space differ from flight? - a filter." Of course, every smoker could distinguish cigarettes / cigarettes from different factories by taste. In Yekaterinburg, for example, the "Belomorkanal" was valued by the Leningrad (later St. Petersburg) - in the first place, the local, Sverdlovsk, in the second, and the Morshansk one was the most disgusting. By the way, the Morshansk cigarettes were also disgusting. Although there was just bad tobacco, in contrast to the current "poison capsules", where only the name is from the tobacco.
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 March 2021 10: 07
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The flight, of the Uritsky factories, still causes nausea in many

        But “Belomor” was unsurpassed.
    10. Kart
      Kart 4 March 2021 14: 36
      -5
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The sausage turned green in the refrigerator on the third day

      She was green even in the line behind her.
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    11. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 March 2021 14: 41
      +4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I miss the quality, I got this chemistry.

      There was no plastic sausage, and the meat was not soiled, but natural, when the pork was fried with saliva from the smell, it choked with saliva, and now you fry and there is no smell, you chew like rubber, the milk sour and did not become a smelly slurry, but became curdled. We'd better keep quiet about fish, especially if we compare Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, nowhere else in the world can you see this. And no one knew what the E-330 additive was, and then on the list, about a hundred.
      1. tasha
        tasha 4 March 2021 14: 53
        -3
        There was no plastic sausage
        There was no sausage, and if there was, then "The sausage turned green in the refrigerator on the third day." On the second! And not in the refrigerator, but in the refrigerated display case of the deli. wink
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 March 2021 16: 34
          +1
          Quote: tasha
          There was no sausage, and if there was, then "The sausage turned green in the refrigerator on the third day." On the second!

          Well, this is where how. Of course, not everywhere was in bulk.
    12. Grits
      Grits 4 March 2021 14: 44
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      the beer was gone the next day.

      We have not lost
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 March 2021 16: 40
        0
        Quote: Gritsa
        We have not lost

        What was it the next day, on the first day the bottle was taken apart, and in pubs they constantly brought up, and there was no break. My father in the Smolensk region. pos. Pure, there was a café-pub and a beer-house, beer was poured from wooden barrels.
        The break was only for the opening of a new barrel, they were opened by "specialists" for free beer. The best beer was from Kalinin, and Smolenskoe was served when there was no other.
    13. BAI
      BAI 4 March 2021 14: 49
      +4
      the beer was gone the next day

      Draft beer was consumed immediately, it did not live longer than 15 minutes.
    14. dmmyak40
      dmmyak40 4 March 2021 17: 44
      0
      Interestingly, my sister gave me milk with her: they did not prescribe it in the refrigerator for 2 weeks.
  • WHAT IS
    WHAT IS 4 March 2021 13: 49
    +12
    Russia destroyed all its chemical weapons a few years ago, in contrast, by the way, from the United States itself.

    Yes, then yes - back in 2017, the last chemical munition was destroyed in Udmurtia at the Kizner facility, the Americans will pull until 23, so we'll see if they destroy everything or not. Egypt, South Sudan and the DPRK did not sign the CWC. Signed but not ratified by Israel.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 4 March 2021 13: 57
      +4
      Apologizing and ammunition only "fire extinguishers" on the chest took. A couple of pieces and a blunder. With chemistry on another branch! drinks
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 March 2021 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Apologizing and ammunition only "fire extinguishers" on the chest took.

        As Vysotsky sang "And if the vodka was not driven from sawdust, what would we have with five bottles."
    2. Fir.S.
      Fir.S. 4 March 2021 14: 02
      +5
      It seems that all these agreements - about omp, sdv and other mutual restraint - are paper fiction, eye dust, instantly turning into historical decay ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 4 March 2021 13: 57
    +4
    British observer: Russians once lived so poorly that no sanctions could frighten them

    Ha, they do not know our main secret ..... to scare our people in general with nothing and in any way.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 4 March 2021 14: 08
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      to scare our people in general with nothing and in any way.

      They don't scare. They hammer into one point what then, what now. "Your power is bad, you don’t have that, you don’t have that, change the power" and then "hot tea, dry clothes and our hospitality await you!" (from)
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 March 2021 14: 17
        +4
        Old methods, proven ...
        Okay, they failed once, twice, on the eleventh it will definitely happen! They think so, but we, as always, have our own screw with a reverse thread on their nut.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 March 2021 16: 42
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      Ha, they do not know our main secret ..... to scare our people in general with nothing and in any way.

      If all of Europe were to be put in such conditions, then there would have long been a desert or taiga.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 March 2021 19: 06
        +1
        So yes, gone are the days when Geyrope was young, greyhound, tenacious.
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 4 March 2021 19: 52
      +1
      hi Greetings, Victor! Maybe they lived poorly, but achieved great goals, that's what is most important.
      And then, when we lived in poverty? After the Revolution, before the Revolution? After the Second World War? So then everyone lived hard. And the USSR also supported other countries.
      Quote: rocket757
      British observer: Russians once lived so poorly that no sanctions could frighten them

      Ha, they do not know our main secret ..... to scare our people in general with nothing and in any way.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 March 2021 23: 08
        +2
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        The collision is principled, they will not listen to anything ... it's bad and that's it!
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 5 March 2021 00: 21
          +2
          So if they know not to intimidate, then the purpose of the sanctions is different?
          Although, our country has always been under sanctions.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 March 2021 07: 37
            +1
            They do not have one, the surest way, to stop / destroy us. They will hit in different directions, maybe it will work ... especially since this does not bear any special costs.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 5 March 2021 09: 27
              +1
              Yes, Victor, they are trying in different directions. The worst thing is that a long-term program continues - work with young people, adolescents. They already have results, that's what.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 5 March 2021 09: 35
                +1
                Any program can be demolished if you set yourself just such a goal. That's right, you need to do everything on time, but do not forget, this even belated impact bears fruit if you do everything right, right.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 5 March 2021 09: 54
                  +1
                  Well yes! Nothing is lost until all is lost! But what if the last train leaves earlier?
                  Victor, from the photo, this is the 80s, like? Were there shopping carts then?
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 5 March 2021 10: 16
                    +1
                    Carts did not appear yesterday, they appeared in large self-service stores right away ... i.e. LONG.
                    And at the expense of lost / not lost, it is necessary to correct, WORK, then it will be. It won't happen on its own, that's for sure.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 6 March 2021 06: 11
                      +2
                      I don’t know if it’s right to say that Russians lived poorly ... if we compare with Europe. Is it rather difficult? Because of the climate, conditions. Moreover, the goals were set great, difficult, and --- achieved. Here's one hundred main thing
                  2. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 5 March 2021 20: 36
                    +2
                    First, shopping baskets appeared when supermarkets with a large number of checkouts appeared. In Moscow, on Zhdanovskaya (now Vykhino), a supermarket appeared when I was a 4th year student, this is 1976. Then there were shops "Ocean", also with baskets. Carts later appeared, in the mid-80s, and even in a village supermarket in Crimea (Tabachnoye village, Bakhchisarai district).
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 6 March 2021 06: 04
                      +2
                      hi good morning Sergey! In general, many questions arise. Once upon a time, on the contrary, first they paid to the cashier, then to the seller. What if different goods, products? Yesterday I asked my relatives about it. Many are confused. Forgot? But we went for groceries. What am I talking about? After all, this is the recent past, but it is incomprehensible.
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 6 March 2021 09: 00
                        +2
                        Hi Dmitry. A little later I will describe these little things to you, now I have to go.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 6 March 2021 09: 29
                        +2
                        When in 91 we returned to Leningrad, in stores, both food and things were "given" per person, that is, it was limited. And my relatives took me to the shops with them, although I didn't like it. And I remember screams, repetitive, sometimes - not counting the child! I remember buying fabrics. Queue for fabrics, according to the norm. Then they wrote out the count, total, then to the cashier, and this check to the window. These packages were given from the window
                        Was it poverty? Probably, there were no goods at all.
                      3. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 6 March 2021 17: 39
                        +1
                        It was a collapse of trade, there were goods, but they adhered to trade "to the left", since state prices were unchanged for a very long time and very low (maybe it was worth raising them moderately - I don't know). In 1990, they began to give on a "buyer's card" issued at the place of registration.
                2. rocket757
                  rocket757 6 March 2021 12: 04
                  +1
                  Exactly, exactly, in "Oceans" there were carts right away.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 6 March 2021 12: 25
                    +1
                    hi Victor, I got to the Ocean much later, when prices became high and there were few people there, I don’t remember exactly, probably in the late 90s. There was no such store near us; it was on the Seine Square. Or have already closed ... request
                  2. rocket757
                    rocket757 6 March 2021 13: 42
                    +1
                    Hi Dmitry soldier
                    We visited both Volgograd and Volzhsky. In Volgograd, the store lasted longer, but its fate befell the same. And this is taking into account that we have a fish region and local products, fish, here it is!
                    A good example, when a great idea is ruined .... in general, OFFICIALS ruined it, as in many other cases.
                  3. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 6 March 2021 14: 39
                    +2
                    There was also another store, on Shchorsa Avenue, on the Petrogradskaya side. Now this avenue bears the historical name --- Maly Prospect PS, there is also Maly Prospect VO. What's good about that. Probably, the name of Shchors cannot be found in Ukraine now. And we don't have it now. Well, then these renaming somehow stopped, although Kirovsky prospect returned then to Kamennoostrovsky. But the name of S.M. Kirov is in other names in the city.
                    When I visited the Ocean on Shchorsa, probably 1994, or 95th, 96th year was ....... there were selling some deep-sea fish, dark meat, large chunks, if cooked --- a disgusting smell. I remember one name - brotulida. Then there was talk that these deep-sea ones should not be eaten because of the high content of some toxic substances in them ..... And there were also cubes weighing half a kilo. Some kind of butter, which looks like butter, but fishy smell, is made from fish. ??????? I don't remember the details.
                  4. rocket757
                    rocket757 6 March 2021 14: 53
                    +1
                    Look at the old chronicle, in "Oceans" sturgeons were sold and so on, pleasant ... but it was in the cinema.
                    Another window dressing turned out.
                  5. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 6 March 2021 17: 46
                    +2
                    At us in Zhukovsky "Ocean" opened in the fall of 1976, it was full of different fish (there were no sturgeons), and there were chilled crayfish at 2 r 40 kopecks. We used the whole hostel to harass them with beer for about a month, then we exhausted them - they did not appear again. They were boiled in electric kettles (the hostel was without gas); for this, a kettle from someone else's room was traditionally used.
                  6. rocket757
                    rocket757 6 March 2021 18: 10
                    +2
                    We sold sturgeons ... so they were caught 1,5 km away. from the store. There were crayfish, so they were caught right there too ...
                    It was then, but not for long.
                  7. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 6 March 2021 20: 01
                    +2
                    Quote: rocket757
                    We sold sturgeons ... so they were caught 1,5 km away. from the store. There were crayfish, so they were also caught right there ...
                    tongue This is very cool. The difference between a freshly caught fish, or delivered from somewhere, and not quickly, I understood right away.
                  8. rocket757
                    rocket757 6 March 2021 20: 43
                    +1
                    Well, yes, shark fin soup is only good with freshly caught fish!
                    Freezing does not add good taste to any fish.
                  9. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 6 March 2021 21: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: rocket757
                    Well, yes, shark fin soup is only good with freshly caught fish!
                    Freezing does not add good taste to any fish.
                    Here, then in Leningrad, in stores, capelin was, fresh frozen. There, in the Far East name uyok.
                    For spawning, it comes close to the shore and when the wave recedes back, then there are many of them on the sand, they jump, they want to return to the sea. People try them with nets, buckets, hands, bags, whoever. This spawning lasts 7-10 days.
                    Stock up. Fry. They make soup. They make cutlets, very tender, gray in color good laughing They are still dry, although difficulties are often encountered after spawning, it is often damp, rain. We must bring the ropes home. Then I tried to get them, as there are no parents winked .........childhood......
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 6 March 2021 19: 56
              +2
              ... .. a teapot from someone else's room .....
              lol just class! And then tea with a smell laughing and what are they, Sergei? Has your kettle been used ?!
            3. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 6 March 2021 22: 01
              +1
              Estessno, there was not a single teapot that did not give away boiled crayfish. Then the smell faded away.
            4. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 6 March 2021 22: 15
              +1
              lol
              Quote: Aviator_
              Estessno, there was not a single teapot that did not give away boiled crayfish. Then the smell faded away.

              it was a good time! Did you take teapots from the girls too? And what are they?
            5. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 6 March 2021 22: 27
              +1
              Our faculty was small - about 100 people in each course, (only 6 courses), again, there were 10-12 people on the course, they were not allowed a hostel, but Muscovites were given a place in a hostel, the number decreased by the senior courses (they were kicked out ), the girls lived compactly on the second floor, by the 4th year most of them jumped out to get married and moved out to rented apartments, although there were options when young families managed to get a room in a hostel. In each group of 18 students, there were no more than two female students; naturally, no one touched their teapots.
            6. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 6 March 2021 22: 41
              +1
              Yes interesting. I just saw your comment about trading, above, I wrote the answer and the network started up. There was a shortage in the Far East due to the short navigation time. After all, in addition to fish, they brought everything. Something in geological prospecting was distributed ----- electrical goods, saucepans ..... I did not expect that it could be otherwise. There, parents always stood in line for the first meat in navigation ...
              Probably, the authorities turned a blind eye to domestic poaching ...
              Sechas, it seems, they were fined for not fallen trees ...
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 6 March 2021 18: 19
    +1
    if cooked --- disgusting smell.

    Each fish has its own way of cooking, so, for example, if you take mackerel and start cooking it, you will get a horseradish with a nasty smell. As for the fact that they, brotulids (a genus of commercial deep-sea ray-finned fish from the order of cod-like), supposedly cannot be eaten - late perestroika delirium. You need to cook properly. "Ocean" was also distinguished by the fact that there was a huge number of advertising brochures with recipes for fish dishes that can be made from this particular fish.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 6 March 2021 20: 06
    +1
    I don’t remember the recipes. It’s strange that my grandmother didn’t know. .... I remember that there were very few people in the Ocean at that time.
    But in front of the store there were many queues for canned fish. Including pollock roe.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 6 March 2021 21: 57
    +1
    It’s strange that my grandmother didn’t know. ....

    Nothing strange at all. In the years of her youth, the USSR did not have such a large fishing fleet to fish in the World Ocean, she was accustomed to local St. Petersburg fish - smelt, cod, carp, etc. I am not sure that she even knew such a fish as navaga. And my mother always believed that there was nothing better than freshly caught navaga at all - she lived in the Primorsky Territory.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 6 March 2021 22: 09
    +1
    I knew about navaga. In the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, she could be baited. We lived on the shore, 300-400 meters. When I ate these fish, + flounder more, then, of course, I did not think. And here --- felt --- not right. And my mother, too, having bought once, did not buy any more. Then she was in Leningrad, in the 91st.
    It's just that my grandmother collected all sorts of recipes. She wondered what people were eating.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 4 March 2021 13: 57
    +6
    Russians (and Soviet and even more so) do not intimidate because they are RUSSIAN ... the rest is lyrics and the current period)))
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 4 March 2021 14: 18
    0
    The connection between personal or sectoral sanctions and the "standard of living of the common Russian" is not entirely clear. If, for example, Prigozhin or the prosecutor in the Navalny case fell under sanctions, how will this affect our standard of living? Or if, for example, some Russian DEFENSE enterprises (that is, enterprises in the structure of orders which are dominated by government orders, the state buys from itself) are on this list - and what?) They will stop issuing loans in the West?) Their products will stop buying in countries of "developed democracies"? And what ? These enterprises are already oriented in their structure since the Soviet times on "domestic consumption" - they are practically neither cold nor hot.

    What I am now seeing, all these March songs about the insidious Western sanctions "who want to ruin ordinary Russians" are just another propaganda twist, the essence of which is to smoothly shift the arrows from the consequence of their own economic worthlessness to "The next insidious intrigues of the West" and, of course, to Navalny and Co.
    Ordinary Russians will be almost purple from these sanctions - they suffer much more from the tax and legal idiocy of tying hands to small and medium-sized businesses, both during the pandemic and before it.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 4 March 2021 14: 22
    -1
    By the way, as an answer, you can put forward the following theory - after two world wars, the British generally degenerated. Firstly, there was nothing to eat (historical fact - the cards lasted the longest), and secondly, all the combatants were killed, only cripples and their descendants remained (again a historical fact - after the war Britain accepted any migrants at all, underpopulation).
    The theory is very widespread, and by the way it is confirmed by the fact that the "beautiful Englishwoman" is an unfunny anecdote, and the average Englishman is Woody Allen. It's a shame to beat them, crush them with a fly swatter
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 15: 04
      +1
      First, there was nothing to eat
      There was no famine of 1946-47 there either.
      and the average Englishman is Woody Allen
      He's a New York Jew lol .
    2. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 5 March 2021 16: 41
      +1
      They just know how to work very well and rationally with demographic and human resources - having 40-100 people / sq. a mile of villagers (there is still no dressing) - they founded a technological world empire, at times they barred the continents - the powerful Spaniards, French and Germans. Post-war emigration to Great Britain with citizenship lasted only 1948-61 - 13 years and was limited, in the Russian Federation labor migrants have been raising the country for 30 years, although the approach here is slightly different - work first and then citizenship.
      (https://tentaculus.ru/archive/articles/Medieval_Demography_for_Dummies.html )/
      And now they are not technologically backward at all - these are their projects, in different stages of completion: the orbital planes of Her Royal Majesty - HOTOL, its successor Skylon - unlike Buran, they are not closed, but working, they are now being tested and are about to be sent in the first flights. Even space nuclear and thermonuclear engines are being developed, while the truth is in the form of mathematical models.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 4 March 2021 14: 24
    +3
    Worse than "friendship with the West" in the 90s, there was nothing and never will be.
  • iouris
    iouris 4 March 2021 15: 10
    +2
    After the war, the British lived even poorer for a long time.
  • Kapkan
    Kapkan 4 March 2021 15: 41
    +2
    The author writes that this is why most Russians do not trust Navalny and his calls for change.

    Not really? Seriously? NOT REALLY? ahahahahahaha
    Yes, in general, only a victim of the exam can trust him without a developed outlook, erudition, but simply without knowledge of elementary history.
    Not really... laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 March 2021 16: 10
      0
      In Russia, unfortunately, there are millions of such trusting people.
  • seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 4 March 2021 15: 53
    +1
    even if Putin is removed from his post as a result of the armed revolution, no one will cancel a single sanction from Russia and its inhabitants! not for that
  • Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 4 March 2021 15: 57
    0
    Well, such a maxim. According to modern concepts, until the 60s, there was no ice everywhere, even in the USA enriched in the First World War with their segregation or, say, the Great Depression, which was the most global catastrophe. Europe waged two self-destructive world wars on its territory, and the colonial Third World suffocated in poverty, ignorance and deadly epidemics. It was only later that the era of consumption and social benefits for broad strata of the population in industrialized countries began, which gave us unprecedented comfort. But then we had the 90s, to which they are trying to bring us back now. Including with the help of sanctions.
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 4 March 2021 16: 21
    0
    Wow, how the British press worries about us ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 March 2021 17: 38
      0
      British observer: Russians once lived so poorly that no sanctions could frighten them

      The "Judas" jubilee was recently celebrated here (March 2). It was necessary to ask him how this spotted foe had brought the country to complete ruin. How the bare shelves of shops contributed to the emergence of loyalty of Russian citizens to the bourgeois lifestyle and the transition to a speculative economy.
      Parents (when they were alive) spat from all these restructuring, new thinking and Yeltsin's reforms.
      GB has not been and will not be a friend of Russia. And all she can do is shit.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 4 March 2021 17: 33
    +1
    Russians at one time lived so poor that they could not be scared by any sanctions
    ha, but I correctly noted
  • Shahno
    Shahno 4 March 2021 18: 23
    +1
    As for me, the strength of the Russian-speaking people lies in the fact that they can endure and not give up more than others ... And the weakness is the same, it's not worth it, for whose sake ... It is obvious that people with such a position cannot be scared.
  • Old26
    Old26 4 March 2021 18: 27
    +3
    Quote: Pereira
    And we had everything before Afgan.
    Since the 79th sausage, cheese and butter have disappeared from the market. Rostov region, if that.

    Perhaps it disappeared even a little earlier, a year that way in 1978 (Novocherkassk). It makes no sense to compare the counters of the same 1973 and 1978 - heaven and earth. If in 1973 in an ordinary store there were 5-6 varieties of boiled, a couple of three varieties of smoked, not counting liver and offal, three or four varieties of cheese, a couple of varieties of butter (not counting chocolate), then in 1978-1979 there was only one cooked varieties - "Estonian", plus offal and liverwort. Smoked ones disappeared from ordinary stores (only in co-shop), if cheese came across, it was most often suluguni, butter only according to coupons (packs per person per month) - but in bulk of a sandwich ... (it was suitable only for sandwiches, it melted during heat treatment and evaporated)

    Quote: dedusik
    Well, he turned down about the 50s, he saw with his own eyes the abundance in stores at ridiculous prices, which cannot be said about the 60s, and even more so about the 80s.

    Problems began precisely in the 50s, when Khrushchev introduced draconian measures on his own animals, trees in gardens, and so on. There were problems with bread (I stood in line with my grandmother to take a couple of rolls. Yes, in the store in the fish department there were still kilogram blue cans with black caviar, but who took them when people had a pension of 23-27-32 rubles, and the bank cost EMNIP 17 rubles.By the end of the 50s, abundance gradually faded away

    Quote: tralflot1832
    The tourist's breakfast, not fish, but meat. Carnivore is a separate topic. Avoid from submariners, sealed in jars.

    There was also fish, there was also meat with rice, and there was also meat in a half-kilogram metal can (like squash caviar). It was different in different places. Not all the same. I don’t remember too much tushnyak in the early 70s. If something was in glass jars (700-1000 g). A vobla sealed in banks - this is you, in the north. On the don, she was sold without cans in the markets
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 5 March 2021 17: 38
      -2
      Problems began precisely in the 50s, when Khrushchev introduced draconian measures on his own animals,

      Problems began in 1917 when the communists took power.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 4 March 2021 18: 35
    0
    Yes, the store shelves of the 90s, how did we survive in this time ...? Bogatyrs .. dumb ...
  • sir Galant
    sir Galant 4 March 2021 18: 40
    0
    yes, and we now live poorly) glory to the GDP))) 50% of the military pension for food, communal apartments, smoke and booze) everything, there is nothing)
  • Alien From
    Alien From 4 March 2021 22: 00
    0
    The author himself would have lived with us in the times described! Further obscene rushing!
  • alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 5 March 2021 10: 21
    0
    They regularly impose sanctions ... however, and no less regularly, Russia lays down on them ... bolt.
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 6 March 2021 13: 25
    0
    Now, if he thinks so, then he is either sick or a paid liar.
    There are no other options in sight.
    I don’t need to explain.
  • Old26
    Old26 6 March 2021 16: 32
    +5
    Quote: Alex Justice
    Peter. The 60s and 70s is the main meal of the prison family. Crumbled bread in a plate with milk. They did not starve, but there was no more.

    In 1972 he entered LETI. Six months later, I was forced to leave, with no luck with the climate. But he spent six months in an apartment. Communal. Kitchen for three. NEVER SEENso that the main food is the jail. They did not fatten, of course, but such a dish has never been in the kitchen. Eggs, sausages (small sausages), boiled sausage, various types of canned food, fish (cold and hot smoked - all this happened.
    He lived on Lakhtinskaya (almost at the corner of Lakhtinskaya and Bolshoy Avenue of the Petrogradskaya side. On the way to the institute (or from the institute) you could go to a cafe and take, among other things, an omelet with sausages (the portion was not limited - how many eggs and sausages). And in the shops along the way you could buy everything you needed.
  • Pardus
    Pardus 12 March 2021 13: 30
    +11
    or in the 1950s under the USSR

    They love to lie about life in the USSR laughing