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Opposition and "opposition". Patriots and "patriots". And how the false opposition and pseudo-patriots are fighting against Russia

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The usefulness of the opposition



The opposition has always existed.

From the very beginning stories of humanity in all societies, states and countries there were people who were critical of the government, the state and the position of the majority of the population. They had (and have) their own ideas and opinions about the ways of development of both the state and the methods of government, as well as about the means and ways to achieve the best, as it seems to them (and sometimes indeed the best), result.

Sometimes the opposition became the majority in the event of major failures of weak rulers and state power. And then she herself became power for a long time.

Sometimes the opposition seized power, remaining a minority. But this happened only with the help of foreign states hostile to the country of the opposition - foreign agents. Typically, the rule of such an overseas-controlled minority opposition is short-lived and destructive for the country where it rules.

This same opposition always patriotic and consists of patriotic statesmen who never oppose their state, country and people. They против bloody civil upheavals and wars, behind peaceful civilized resolution of internal contradictions and conflicts.

Critically regarding the activities of some representatives of the authorities and the state, their erroneous actions, the opposition proposes measures to correct, correct the activities of state bodies and eliminate shortcomings, seeks the implementation of its remarks by peaceful, legal, parliamentary methods.

Noting the mistakes, shortcomings and omissions, the patriots of the opposition, nevertheless, rejoice at the undoubted and obvious successes and achievements of their country.

Also the opposition is moderate nationalists и moderate leftacting by legal, parliamentary methods that do not undermine or destroy the statehood and unity of the people of the country.

A real, true opposition is needed by every society, state, country: it is positive, it allows them not to stagnate, purify themselves and improve, to move forward.

The opposition has always been in Russia, Russia and the USSR.

It was called and acted differently.

The rulers and the people treated the opposition in every way. Sometimes they put on a stake, chopped off their heads, quartered, shot, sent to hard labor, into exile, or sent abroad, depriving them of citizenship.

Times and customs are different now. Freedom and Democracy. Although many respectable Russians still believe that other "oppositionists" would not hurt to be imprisoned or expelled from the country for their outstanding "services" to Russia!

Pseudo-opposition and subspecies


Along with the real opposition, there are in Russia and pseudo opposition, and pseudo-patriotsactive against the Russian government, state, country and people.

Not criticizing, no - fiercely and violently criticizing real and perceived shortcomings. For freedom of action, it hides behind the title of opposition, disguises itself as real patriots - supposedly defenders of the country and the people.

The false opposition is divided into three main groups:

- right-wing radicals (nationalists),
- left radicals (leftists),
- collaborators, "fifth column", foreign agents.

Right-wing radicals (nationalists)


Radical national patriots also say that they are patriots. However, not the current country and not the entire people, but only its nationalist country and only a certain nation, and only those who support them. The rest are enemies.

The goal of the radical nationalists is to fight against the current authorities and the state for a national state, for example, the Russians. And their slogan is “Russia for Russians!”, For example.

Left radicals (leftists)


In fact, the left movement is a movement with the noble goals of building a highly developed society of social justice for all. And one of the ways the left comes to power is to conquer it, a coup, revolution.

But a revolution is permissible and possible only if there is revolutionary situation, the indispensable conditions of which are the most difficult economic and social situation, extremely weak government, powerful activity of the population and support of the revolutionaries from below.

There is none of this in Russia now: both economic and social situations, although not brilliant, but not bad. Power is influential in the country and in the world.

All attempts of false oppositionists to "shake" the population and the government fail.

Most the population does not support the left, but the government elected in a democratic way the majority!

Of course, the crafty propagandists-provocateurs of the leftists are trying to convince their followers that supposedly in the country all badly. No no successes and achievements, but only one solid defeat and failure in everything. The government is unusually corrupt, weak, unpopular and is about to collapse. Allegedly, the people wake up and support exclusively leftists.

But this is just noodle on the ears of the naive. And to ignore reality and revolutionary theory - great stupidity.

Collaborators, "fifth column", foreign agents


Everything here is extremely simple: these people hate Russia, Russians.

But, being agents of the West and receiving, as a rule, a bribe, they conduct subversive work against Russia and the Russian authorities, presenting themselves as oppositionists, patriots and fighters for a free Russia, loyal and open to the friendly West.

This group includes many well-known personalities of the scientific and creative intelligentsia, the so-called "sleeping" and "half-sleeping". Which is not surprising: it is precisely such people, as has been said many times, that Western intelligence services select as agents of influence.

They openly conduct anti-Russian propaganda in some media, willingly giving them the opportunity to express their hatred and contempt not only for the authorities, but also for the majority of Russians.

Also, everyone is periodically surprised by the strange resonant statements and decisions of some officials.

Why?

It's just that collaborators and foreign agents must have settled and dug in there.

Front of pseudo opposition


Recently, some Russians have been surprised to see nationalists, leftists, bulkheads, and liberals walking in the same columns.

Many are surprised when the left is in defense of Navalny, and Platoshkin is eagerly defended by liberals and nationalists.

And there is nothing surprising: both their tasks and goals coincide - the fight against the Russian government, the state, Russia and the Russian people.

So they support, protect each other, act as a united front.

"Tell me who is your friend ..."

Today they are "fighting" with Putin and his supporter by a majority people. That is, with the Russians, whom they contemptuously call "putinoids". And tomorrow, they will similarly fight against whoever comes instead of Putin.

And for what to scold - these "oppositionists" - "patriots" (in quotes) will always find! But if they do not find it, the West will tell them.

In fact, pseudo-patriotic pseudo-oppositionists are not oppositionists - constructive opponents of the government, but irreconcilable opponents and enemies of not only any Russian government, but all Russians, and Russia itself.

For they really want only the destruction of our country.

And some vehemently thirst for the frank enslavement of Russia by the West.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 March 2021 15: 12
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    Good article, everything is laid out on the shelves! Thank you!
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 6 March 2021 15: 28
      +39
      The author hesitated to describe patriots and “patriots” - why would that be? laughing
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 6 March 2021 16: 21
        +35
        Quote: Pilot
        The author hesitated to describe patriots and “patriots” - why would that be?

        He told everyone to count, why divide that?
        1. veritas
          veritas 6 March 2021 18: 04
          +12
          Quote: Stroporez
          He told everyone to count, why divide that?

          They do not want to share, they want everyone to count. An interesting time begins.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 6 March 2021 19: 52
            +13
            Also, everyone is periodically surprised by the strange resonant statements and decisions of some officials. Why? It's just that collaborators and foreign agents must have settled and dug in there.

            But not Putin, Putin's strange decisions (including decisions to appoint officials with strange decisions) do not mean that. Only collaborators and foreign agents can be dissatisfied with his decisions.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 6 March 2021 16: 29
        +71
        Quote: Pilot
        The author hesitated to describe patriots and “patriots” - why would that be? laughing

        I'll sign for him ..
        True patriots .. are those who sacredly believe, no matter what, in the words of the patriot Volodin ..
        -there is Putin, there is Russia, there is no Putin, there is no Russia.
        True patriots, albeit without enthusiasm, but with understanding refer to the endless failures of today's managers. For they understand .. you won't grease, you won't go .. A true patriot always has something to grease ..
        A true patriot is sympathetic to the extinction of the nation .. he understands that without this success cannot be achieved .. a true patriot, he is ready to populate the country with guest workers .. because this is more profitable ..
        A true patriot welcomes the destruction of social gains, because they take money from true patriots ..
        This can be continued indefinitely, the article is cobbled together all of the templates .. there are no, even superficial conclusions .. the feeling that the victim of the exam was writing ..
        1. veritas
          veritas 6 March 2021 18: 06
          +25
          Quote: Svarog
          This can be continued indefinitely, the article is cobbled together all of the templates .. there are no, even superficial conclusions .. the feeling that the victim of the exam was writing ..

          Rather, an official, on behalf of a higher official.
          1. Wertgan
            Wertgan 6 March 2021 23: 10
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            Very superficially, this is your opinion. In fact, the opinion of a person who does not understand the present moment, the present state of affairs.
            1. businessv
              businessv 7 March 2021 22: 12
              +2
              Quote: WertGan
              Very superficially, this is your opinion. In fact, the opinion of a person who does not understand the present moment, the present state of affairs.
              Such posts, of an accusing nature, but absolutely meaningless in their essence, are always amusing. And it is even more amusing that they were left by people who register on our VO especially for this! laughing
              1. Wertgan
                Wertgan 9 March 2021 07: 24
                +1
                Of course, on purpose! From considerations that it would be better to be a soldier of an information war than a victim of it. But your opinion, I will take into account.
                1. businessv
                  businessv 9 March 2021 23: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: WertGan
                  From considerations that it would be better to be a soldier of an information war than a victim of it. But I will consider your opinion.
                  good Keep on having fun !!! drinks
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 March 2021 18: 59
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          Your managers are definitely not needed by Russia because they led to the collapse of the USSR.
          1. businessv
            businessv 7 March 2021 22: 08
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            Your managers are definitely not needed by Russia because they led to the collapse of the USSR.

            Namesake, you chose the wrong word in the post. The result is an incomprehensible post. I think that if it were not “yours”, but “the current managers are definitely not needed by Russia,” there would be much fewer minuses. wink
        3. Snail N9
          Snail N9 6 March 2021 19: 00
          +39
          Why is there nothing about "patriots"? Why write about them, then? All of them already know, they are really patriots, real ... people with a capital letter: winked

          And the fake "patriots" are probably those who are under contract, well ... the job is this:
        4. Achilles
          Achilles 6 March 2021 19: 35
          +15
          Here in VO, many would like to return the USSR, but unfortunately there is no such force, there is the Communist Party, but everyone understands that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the 21st century as a whole was unable to generate the goals and meanings of the country's development along the socialist path of development. The basic mistakes of the past, which led first to economic stagnation, and then to political decay, when not the best and ideological, but two-faced Khodorkovs fell into power, have not been analyzed.

          Let me remind you. The system of the State Planning Committee and the State Committee for Construction in the Soviet Union formed quantitative indicators of production for enterprises, as well as how much and what these enterprises should receive in order to fulfill them. Yes, we had everything of our own, but the system did not imply the creation of products that meet consumer needs, which are a priority under the capitalist production system.
          In 1965-1970. Alexei Kosygin, a graduate of the Stalinist personnel school, with the support of Brezhnev, began to introduce market elements in the USSR: the enterprise rented production facilities and itself determined how much and what it would produce and sell. Unexpectedly for all, enterprises began to work in and provide products in demand, cut costs, increase profitability, expand on the market and focus on sales. Yes, pricing was still archaic, but the process, as they say, has gone. Let's multiply there the petrodollars received from the Samotlor field. As a result, we got the golden decade of economic growth, prosperity and prosperity in the 70s. True, the contours of the future stratification of society along property lines became visible: shop workers, etc.
          As a result of intrigues, archaic members of the party's Central Committee defeated those who practically turned the Union on the path of victory in global economic competition and the creation of a society of equal opportunities with the strongest system of social support of citizens by the state.

          What am I doing? Instead of now generating new meanings and fighting for the minds and votes of voters, of which, with the right approach, there may be 2/3 of the population of Russia, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is working out the agenda of "massive violations" of Navalny's propidos doll, who made money on everything: on Yabloko, and on the People movement, on NED / IRI grants for the Democratic Alternative youth organization, as well as on the Union of Minority Shareholders, corruption, elections, and now he has earned political points on the unfortunate and stupid KPRF, which took part in the “smart voting ".
          At the same time, socialist values, the Soviet Union and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation itself are equally violet to him. His main credo is scamming money under the guise of charity, face trading and promotion of fashion brands on the insta.
          In this light, the current attempts of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are especially amusing. Instead of creating a shadow cabinet, corresponding to the status of a second political force, statements and economic programs, the Moscow City Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is holding a protest meeting "For Fair Elections" at the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation in exchange for the support of the liberota asking for sanctions against Russia.
          1. Wertgan
            Wertgan 6 March 2021 23: 09
            +2
            The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is a party consisting of the oligarchs and liquidators of the USSR. It was originally created in opposition to the CPSU, in fact, a party of people who destroyed the USSR. So ... in general, under no circumstances is it considered a patriotic party.
            1. ivan2022
              ivan2022 8 March 2021 21: 32
              -1
              Quote: WertGan
              The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is a party consisting of the oligarchs and liquidators of the USSR.

              You would be a good gentleman, to confirm the words with examples.
              But in general, you did not understand the main thing that a child should also understand; the essence of a political party is determined by its program and charter, and not by what Uncle Ziu wanted
              1. ivan2022
                ivan2022 8 March 2021 21: 41
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                Perhaps it is worth adding that very many like adults do not know other arguments, except - "these are such, and these are also such." "It was because these wanted to do it ....." and so on. nonsense. Anyone can explain anything by "wants". And this is how the history and politics of the country are explained! Yes, sir, we are definitely degrading ,,,,
                Although for a sane person it is always clear: "If you don't like a bad game, create a good one." HERE IS THE MAIN PROBLEM, WHAT PARTY OUR BLESSED SOCIETY WILL NOT CREATE, IN THE FINAL TOTAL, IT WILL BE THE SAME; "PARTY OF OPG-AUE"
          2. Antonio_Mariarti
            Antonio_Mariarti 6 March 2021 23: 22
            +3
            Quote: Achilles
            Here in VO, many would like to return the USSR, but unfortunately there is no such force, there is the Communist Party, but everyone understands that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the 21st century as a whole was unable to generate the goals and meanings of the country's development along the socialist path of development. The basic mistakes of the past, which led first to economic stagnation, and then to political decay, when not the best and ideological, but two-faced Khodorkovs fell into power, have not been analyzed.

            Let me remind you. The system of the State Planning Committee and the State Committee for Construction in the Soviet Union formed quantitative indicators of production for enterprises, as well as how much and what these enterprises should receive in order to fulfill them. Yes, we had everything of our own, but the system did not imply the creation of products that meet consumer needs, which are a priority under the capitalist production system.
            In 1965-1970. Alexei Kosygin, a graduate of the Stalinist personnel school, with the support of Brezhnev, began to introduce market elements in the USSR: the enterprise rented production facilities and itself determined how much and what it would produce and sell. Unexpectedly for all, enterprises began to work in and provide products in demand, cut costs, increase profitability, expand on the market and focus on sales. Yes, pricing was still archaic, but the process, as they say, has gone. Let's multiply there the petrodollars received from the Samotlor field. As a result, we got the golden decade of economic growth, prosperity and prosperity in the 70s. True, the contours of the future stratification of society along property lines became visible: shop workers, etc.
            As a result of intrigues, archaic members of the party's Central Committee defeated those who practically turned the Union on the path of victory in global economic competition and the creation of a society of equal opportunities with the strongest system of social support of citizens by the state.

            What am I doing? Instead of now generating new meanings and fighting for the minds and votes of voters, of which, with the right approach, there may be 2/3 of the population of Russia, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is working out the agenda of "massive violations" of Navalny's propidos doll, who made money on everything: on Yabloko, and on the People movement, on NED / IRI grants for the Democratic Alternative youth organization, as well as on the Union of Minority Shareholders, corruption, elections, and now he has earned political points on the unfortunate and stupid KPRF, which took part in the “smart voting ".
            At the same time, socialist values, the Soviet Union and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation itself are equally violet to him. His main credo is scamming money under the guise of charity, face trading and promotion of fashion brands on the insta.
            In this light, the current attempts of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are especially amusing. Instead of creating a shadow cabinet, corresponding to the status of a second political force, statements and economic programs, the Moscow City Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is holding a protest meeting "For Fair Elections" at the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation in exchange for the support of the liberota asking for sanctions against Russia.

            The main problem in communist ideologies is that there is no support among young people. After all, generations who are over 40 will leave and they will not remember the USSR at all.
            1. ivan2022
              ivan2022 9 March 2021 16: 19
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              Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
              The main problem in communist ideologies is that there is no support among young people.

              On the contrary, ideology has no problems if they are logical. And no science has problems. The problem is in the heads of the slaves, the savages, who were given a sickle in their hands, they cut off their eggs. They gave a hammer, they smashed their foreheads.They cannot realize that they themselves must create what they need.
              The correct wording is different; themselves were unsuitable. There are no parties or social movements because today's society is just a heap of manure slowly solidifying in the frost. Out of shit, only dumb fingers can poke the past in all directions.
              1. ivan2022
                ivan2022 9 March 2021 16: 25
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                Quote: ivan2022
                Out of shit, only dumb fingers can poke the past in all directions.

                Heh ... heh ... I can only add that it is to this occupation that most of the comments on all kinds of "patriotic" sites come down, the more "patriotism" - the more claims of the 17th century slaves to the "unlucky red master".
          3. Revival
            Revival 7 March 2021 13: 43
            +2
            And tell me who asked for sanctions against Russia?
            Otherwise, I can’t find who asked to impose sanctions against the country.
            I would like to mark them for myself for understanding.
          4. Sarboz
            Sarboz 7 March 2021 19: 16
            +2
            Quote: Achilles
            In this light, the current attempts of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are especially amusing. Instead of creating a shadow cabinet, corresponding to the status of a second political force, statements and economic programs, the Moscow City Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is holding a protest meeting "For Fair Elections" at the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation in exchange for the support of the liberota asking for sanctions against Russia.

            In this light, amusing attempts to once again connect the Communist Party with the liberals or Navalnyats. The LDPR has been trying to brainwash us with this nonsense since 2016. They even tried to initiate a criminal case unsuccessfully. Do you have any evidence to support the Liberot's promise to support Rashkin? And if not, then from a legal point of view, this is slander, but from a universal human point of view, it is a provocation. After all, the goals of the action are stated and understandable. The Moscow City Electoral Commission absolutely illegally refused the Communist Party of the Russian Federation to appoint members of territorial election commissions with a decisive vote in 36 districts of Moscow. And this is a violation of clause 7 of Article 26 of the Federal Law "On Basic Guarantees of Electoral Rights." And you can't argue with that. This is the arbitrariness of the authorities, in general it is not clear to me. The information raid on the Communist Party of the Russian Federation continues through all federal channels. By the way, the entire liberot and the Liberal Democratic Party are very happy about this.
          5. sniperino
            sniperino 7 March 2021 20: 25
            -2
            Quote: Achilles
            The Moscow City Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is holding a meeting of protest "For Fair Elections" at the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation in exchange for the support of the liberota, asking for the imposition of sanctions against Russia.
            They wave both arms, legs and horns. There was an attempt to hit N-th on the right, now Semin on the left begins a blizzard of revenge:
            Fascism seeks ... to present things as if all citizens (rich and poor, exploiters and exploited) belong to one community.
            In his words, those who are trying to unite all patriots from different social strata in the face of the threat to the Fatherland are fascists, since the connected fascia is their symbol. On the Conte - a Sabbath under the red banners. Along the perimeter of the Russian Federation, the State Department warms up hotbeds of tension (Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia).
        5. Altona
          Altona 6 March 2021 20: 48
          +25
          Quote: Svarog
          I'll sign for him ..

          -----------------------------
          Volodya, I'll write it even shorter. A true patriot for the export of capital in any form and the subsequent return of territories "on lease for 99 years" to China, why should they be exchanged for guest workers, especially since our salary does not always suit them. And all the semi-official chatter about "successes and stability, intrigues of the West and insidious bulk" should only mask these goals.
        6. bk0010
          bk0010 7 March 2021 00: 04
          +19
          They forgot to add that the most true patriots have non-Russian citizenship, they have accounts and real estate abroad, the family is "over the hill" and money is withdrawn from Russia abroad, and not as foreign agents, from abroad to Russia.
        7. Quadro
          Quadro 7 March 2021 09: 12
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          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Pilot
          The author hesitated to describe patriots and “patriots” - why would that be? laughing

          I'll sign for him ..
          True patriots .. are those who sacredly believe, no matter what, in the words of the patriot Volodin ..
          -there is Putin, there is Russia, there is no Putin, there is no Russia.
          True patriots, albeit without enthusiasm, but with understanding refer to the endless failures of today's managers. For they understand .. you won't grease, you won't go .. A true patriot always has something to grease ..
          A true patriot is sympathetic to the extinction of the nation .. he understands that without this success cannot be achieved .. a true patriot, he is ready to populate the country with guest workers .. because this is more profitable ..
          A true patriot welcomes the destruction of social gains, because they take money from true patriots ..
          This can be continued indefinitely, the article is cobbled together all of the templates .. there are no, even superficial conclusions .. the feeling that the victim of the exam was writing ..

          Hey you, you’re like a communist, why are you drowning for Navalny?
        8. Ptolemy Lag
          Ptolemy Lag 9 March 2021 12: 09
          +1
          I would say who wrote, but they will be banned ...
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 6 March 2021 16: 59
        +39
        Cheto hesitated to paint patriots and patriots, - why would that be?
        That's it! To be on the safe side, I reread it twice. But no, everyone who is not in the Kremlin is the opposition, but patriots. only those who are in the Kremlin, so what. that he has a grandson in London, he is a patriot. And I am against such patriots, an evil oppositionist.
        Only I don't mind. Gentlemen are patriots, officials and oligarchs. why are you so drawn to the West? Well, build yourself London on the banks of the Yenisei or Sorento, somewhere in Abkhazia.
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 6 March 2021 19: 55
          +1
          https://www.politnavigator.net/v-moskve-proshel-piket-s-trebovaniem-osvobodit-geroya-opolcheniya-abkhaza.html
      4. veritas
        veritas 6 March 2021 18: 01
        +11
        Quote: Pilot
        The author hesitated to describe patriots and “patriots” - why would that be? laughing

        Where Russia is heading, judging by the article, the command was given - face. Sorting and packing soon.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 6 March 2021 21: 50
          +8
          Sorting and packing soon.

          Absolutely right. The digital concentration camp is already on the doorstep.
      5. Titus_2
        Titus_2 8 March 2021 11: 13
        -1
        And putriots
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 March 2021 15: 28
      +24
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Good article, everything is laid out on the shelves! Thank you!

      and if you think about what you read?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 6 March 2021 15: 39
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        Quote: Silvestr
        think about what you read

        So tell us about your thoughts.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 6 March 2021 15: 51
          +3
          Quote: Dart2027
          So tell us about your thoughts.

          looking down laughing
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 6 March 2021 16: 37
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            Quote: Silvestr
            looking down

            Is this where you sing the praises of foreign agents? Thus, who in their cartoons depicted "Putin's Palace" with a foreign coat of arms?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 6 March 2021 17: 01
              +16
              Quote: Dart2027
              Is this where you sing the praises of foreign agents?

              So now doctors. nurses and nurses are foreign agents too! Did not know? Know. Get medical treatment from patriots. Good luck
              1. 210ox
                210ox 6 March 2021 17: 20
                +12
                Are you talking about the "Alliance of Doctors"? So I wonder how many medical workers are in this alliance? I am not at all delighted with the actions of our leaders, but this "alliance" has also shown itself to be a provocateur and a hypocrite.
              2. tranquil
                tranquil 6 March 2021 17: 33
                +10
                Jokes about foreign agents are especially funny after the leaked documents of the British Foreign Ministry on the supervision and financing in Russia of a network of journalists (Meduza, Mediazona ...) and youtube bloggers promoting correct propaganda.
                Haha, funny.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 6 March 2021 18: 17
                  +24
                  Quote: tranquil
                  Haha, funny.

                  that's for sure! Especially when the citizen of Great Britain Sergey Brilev is clever on TV, he is echoed by the lover of Italy Soloviev, the citizen of Montenegro Andreeva
                  1. tranquil
                    tranquil 6 March 2021 18: 23
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                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Especially when a British citizen is clever on TV

                    Yes, even Zimbabwe! As if the existence of citizenship of these gingerbreads somehow refutes the documents of the British Foreign Office (the authenticity of which the British Foreign Ministry does not deny) about the financing of the network of British agents in Russia.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 6 March 2021 18: 36
                      +1
                      Quote: tranquil
                      at these gingerbread, somehow refutes the documents of the British Foreign Office (the authenticity of which the British Foreign Ministry does not deny) on the financing of the network of British agents in Russia.

                      you are not careful! Read it again
                      1. tranquil
                        tranquil 7 March 2021 17: 43
                        +2
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        you are not careful! Read it again

                        argumentum ad hominem - read AT LEAST times.
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Апелляция_к_личности
                    2. Horon
                      Horon 7 March 2021 12: 53
                      +2
                      Are you trying to argue with an agent of influence? They pay green money for their screams and groans! Run through the comments of Sylvester (the silver one ?! He seems to be shitting for the silversmiths ?!) bully There he has one confession in an article about Ukraine, like: "we have ..." They sit all day on the site and on any news, be it negative about Russia, or positive - they criticize and spoil it. Here Veritas appeared here, only Veritas is a sewing machine factory in the Baltic states and also pretends to be an oppositionist from Russia, another one comes out of the States here and also pretends to be a Russian oppositionist. With their negative comments, they create an atmosphere of depression and despondency. And so that they would not get bored right away, they often hide behind the communist ideology. Everyone was surpassed in this by the swag who drowned for the communists when they tried to shove the businessman, and abruptly went over to the protection of the foreign agent of influence Navlny! It was epic! And it's useless to argue with them seriously, unless you have a lot of time to surf the Internet. request
                  2. Horon
                    Horon 7 March 2021 12: 29
                    +2
                    And you can also laugh when a resident of the Square mows for a resident of Russia and terribly, hysterically criticizes her government? You burned while hovering one of your posts! They'll figure it out without the boner-headed and common non-brothers!
              3. Dart2027
                Dart2027 6 March 2021 19: 09
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                Quote: Silvestr
                So now doctors. nurses and nurses are foreign agents too!

                That is, do you know the fact that this organization is supported from abroad?
              4. Vadim237
                Vadim237 6 March 2021 19: 17
                .
                So now doctors. nurses and nurses are foreign agents too! This is how the economy will grow, so the budget will be filled, and with it the pockets of all those on whom this budget is spent, including doctors, orderlies and nurses, etc. - additional funds from the air at the snap of your fingers will not work so that all sorts of Navalny Platoshkins would not whistle there and other big top populists balaboly info-wash. In Crimea, not so long ago, an excellent hospital was opened for 1000 beds, and here you can think it is necessary to open such hospitals in all regions, at least two per region, but everything depends on money, one such hospital with all the equipment costs 9 billion rubles - what would be like to build in all 85 regions you need two, you need 1.5 trillion rubles in a market economy, we live for free, no one will do anything.
                1. Sarboz
                  Sarboz 7 March 2021 02: 10
                  +5
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  whatever all sorts of Bulk whistles Platooshkins and other big top populists balaboly info-wash

                  To be honest, I forgot the last time I saw Zyuganov on TV. Apart from the seconds taken out of context in the stories about the meetings of the leaders of the factions with the president. The Communist Party was simply excommunicated from the media. Platoshkin was generally isolated from life. At the same time, there is a constant information rush on the Communist Party, which, like Platoshkina, is diligently trying to put it on a par with liberals and traitors like Navalny. Solovyov on a rare broadcast passes by Zyuganov, simply trampling his dirt, but he stopped inviting a long time ago. Have you ever wondered who benefits from it?
                  1. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan 7 March 2021 10: 49
                    -2
                    In the State Duma, of all parties so far, only the Communists are more or less for the people. For lack of anything better, we can only support them until a real people's party appears.
                2. Titus_2
                  Titus_2 8 March 2021 12: 49
                  -2
                  Or maybe a retirement age for another year or a new tax ... yes, and gasoline is not at European prices. Although it’s good to build hospitals here, temples are spanking at an accelerated pace instead of schools and gardens. So temporary workers in power do not see the future.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 15: 52
        +26
        Quote: Silvestr
        and if you think about what you read?

        Thought about it:
        In fact, pseudo-patriotic pseudo-oppositionists are not oppositionists - constructive opponents of the government, but irreconcilable opponents and enemies of not only any Russian government, but all Russians, and Russia itself.

        Is it possible to call opposition to the people that part of the "Russians" that singled out themselves as "untouchables" and absolutely cannot explain to the "narrow-minded and lazy" population of Russia that this is happiness when someone can build a palace or a yacht for themselves on other people's money?
        Can the adoption of laws and regulations that led to a multimillion-dollar reduction in the country's population be attributed to extremism?
        1. iouris
          iouris 7 March 2021 22: 23
          +1
          According to the adopted laws, in 91, all bodies were "foreign agents". What is the situation now, the events of the near future will show.
      3. nnm
        nnm 6 March 2021 16: 40
        +12
        Then you immediately remember that the elections are coming soon.
      4. Altona
        Altona 6 March 2021 20: 50
        +6
        Quote: Silvestr
        and if you think about what you read?

        ---------------------------------
        Rather, everything is "swept under the carpet."
      5. Yaroslavl
        Yaroslavl 9 March 2021 12: 38
        -1
        Someone wrote it down there, about the shelves) I was simply touched, words about a good economic situation in the country) as well as calmness in society) in your right mind you cannot write this clearly)))
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 March 2021 15: 44
      .
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Good article, everything is laid out on the shelves! Thank you!

      And you immediately received a minus from the oppositionists, false patriots.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 6 March 2021 15: 47
        .
        Duc by the evening, probably numbers with zeros will be! lol
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 6 March 2021 15: 54
          +18
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Duc by the evening, probably numbers with zeros will be! lol

          Well, about zeroes, you obviously got excited, everyone knows that there is only one patriot in power who has nothing .. lol And the rest of those in power then to whom to rank, that's the question .. laughing
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 6 March 2021 17: 02
            +11
            there is nothing
            Well, nothing, but the SKIF trailer?
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          6 March 2021 16: 00
          .
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Duc by the evening, probably numbers with zeros will be! lol

          According to their own observations, at first, leftist activists will throw minuses for you, but then reasonable ones will catch up and you, for sure, will be in pluses. lol
          And thanks for the assessment. drinks
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 6 March 2021 16: 09
            .
            And today I have good news, the construction of many-storey buildings was banned in Sochi. Before the formation of the general development plan. True, it was a little late, but it is better than never. drinks
            1. for
              for 6 March 2021 17: 14
              0
              Quote: tralflot1832
              banned the construction of many storey buildings.

              Probably nowhere to build.
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 6 March 2021 17: 30
                -7
                There is where to build, but I got this square-nesting method.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 6 March 2021 17: 49
                  +18
                  Quote: tralflot1832
                  There is where to build, but I got this square-nesting method.

                  At the dacha, you have a build!
                  1. tralflot1832
                    tralflot1832 6 March 2021 17: 57
                    .
                    Already built on Bocharka and in Krasnaya Polyana, you can take a break from the construction site.
                2. for
                  for 6 March 2021 17: 52
                  +6
                  Quote: tralflot1832
                  There is where to build

                  Where there is not profitable. And where there is little profitable space. But there is a way out that needs to be banned, but you can get permission from those who did. In Samara for a long time, it was banned, but everything is being built.
                  1. tralflot1832
                    tralflot1832 6 March 2021 17: 59
                    -7
                    They would take up the old fund! Or is it only in Moscow.
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 6 March 2021 19: 22
                      .
                      For this, according to conservative estimates, it is necessary to build at least 500 million square meters of new housing. And there are doubts that for the 5 million people currently living in dilapidated and dilapidated houses, so many will be built by 2025.
                      1. tralflot1832
                        tralflot1832 6 March 2021 19: 30
                        -6
                        I also do not like these reports every year, they have built millions of square meters of housing. Murmansk, which has become my native city, still has barracks. Only now something seems to have moved off the ground and it looks like words.
                      2. Vladimir Mashkov
                        6 March 2021 21: 03
                        .
                        Andrey, but in Russia really a lot of things are being built. And not only housing. All this is perfectly visible, I often "walk" virtually across Russia. I'm an old man, I remember well what and how it was before. The changes are amazing! Although, of course, still build and build. But in the country of "universal happiness" there are many cesspool holes!
                        And the current public basically does not look at anything and does not see beyond its own nose and yard. And he envies everyone madly.
                      3. tralflot1832
                        tralflot1832 6 March 2021 21: 15
                        .
                        They envy successful, black envy. I also walk vertically, there are changes for the better. I am also not a very young pensioner. The most important thing is health to you and your loved ones.
                      4. Vladimir Mashkov
                        6 March 2021 21: 31
                        .
                        Mutually, I wish you and yours the same. I am also from fishermen and sailors. We all have good sea hardening, I guess.drinks
                      5. tralflot1832
                        tralflot1832 6 March 2021 21: 43
                        .
                        It’s for sure that I haven’t met sailors who were not happy with their lives on VO! drinks drinks
                      6. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 7 March 2021 14: 30
                        +8
                        Quote: tralflot1832
                        It’s for sure that I haven’t met sailors who were not happy with their lives on VO!

                        Now I understand why the Moremans are minus us.
                  2. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 7 March 2021 14: 29
                    0
                    Quote: tralflot1832
                    I also walk vertically, there are changes for the better.

                    To compare the best and the worst, first you need to take an excursion to / to Ukraine. There you will see everything not virtually, but in reality.
                3. Revival
                  Revival 7 March 2021 13: 52
                  -1
                  It is worth being built and worth unsold at ridiculous prices, which is good for those who do not have housing and a lot of money from such a construction site
    4. Avior
      Avior 6 March 2021 19: 14
      +4
      everyone who needs it has already been built smile
      and the rest have nothing to interfere there
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 March 2021 16: 16
    .
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    According to their own observations, at first, leftist activists will throw minuses for you, but then reasonable ones will catch up and you, for sure, will be in pluses.

    The article is correct. But so far the reasonable ones have not come up.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 6 March 2021 16: 39
      .
      Quote: tihonmarine
      But so far the reasonable ones have not come up.

      Unfortunately, the reasonable minority. There would have been a majority, in 91 EBN, they would have pulled on the barrel of the tank from which it was broadcasting and fired in the direction of Warsaw. This is probably why such articles on VO are rare. As for the pros and cons. The pros amuse pride, but the cons are more informative. Any evaluations can be beneficial winked
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 6 March 2021 17: 34
        +46
        Quote: Hagen
        Unfortunately, the reasonable minority. There would be a majority, in 91 EBN on the barrel of that tank,

        Not understood! Reasonable against EBN, but for the successor of his affairs GDP? How can you be 1/2 intelligent and 1/2 second unreasonable?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 6 March 2021 17: 44
          +16
          Quote: Overlock
          Unfortunately, the reasonable minority. There would be a majority, in 91 EBN on the barrel of that tank,

          Not understood! Reasonable against EBN, but for the successor of his affairs GDP? How can you be 1/2 intelligent and 1/2 second unreasonable?

          Reasonable people are bewildered by such questions. wassat But thanks to their intelligence, they successfully cope with this .. wok as soon as I do not know .. or unreasonable .. But I heard in medicine there is an explanation for this phenomenon ..
          1. dauria
            dauria 6 March 2021 21: 08
            +10
            But I heard in medicine there is an explanation for this phenomenon ..


            There is such a thing. Substitution. The real reason is replaced in the head by a more "comfortable" one. Moreover, the person is sincerely convinced of this convenient reason.
            And the very fact of the inclusion of "substitution" is not necessarily realized. And voa la, no agony.
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 6 March 2021 18: 15
          +5
          Quote: Overlock
          Not understood! Reasonable against EBN, but for the successor of his affairs GDP? How can you be 1/2 intelligent and 1/2 second unreasonable?

          Who are you asking? They themselves write that their reasonable ones have not yet appeared on the site to give them plus signs. Apparently before March 8, they are rehearsing libations - they are recruiting mind to mind.
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 6 March 2021 18: 19
          +4
          Quote: Overlock
          How can you be 1/2 intelligent and 1/2 second unreasonable?

          well, it's simple! Into the fool! Multiple personality disorder is an early symptom of schizophrenia
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 6 March 2021 18: 44
            .
            And what kind of world you stayed in. At 92, I realized that there would be no freebies. When I received $ 100 in rubles for a six-month flight. I began to take my profession seriously. The result was not long in coming.
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 6 March 2021 20: 06
            +8
            Quote: Silvestr
            well, it's simple! Into the fool! Multiple personality disorder is an early symptom of schizophrenia

            Now it is not very easy, optimization has also touched this area.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 6 March 2021 21: 40
              +4
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Quote: Silvestr
              well, it's simple! Into the fool! Multiple personality disorder is an early symptom of schizophrenia

              Now it is not very easy, optimization has also touched this area.

              Yes, damn it .. noticeably .. in this part especially .. and now it's spring .. oh, it's hard for the sane ..
          3. Hagen
            Hagen 6 March 2021 21: 52
            .
            Quote: Silvestr
            well, it's simple! Into the fool! Multiple personality disorder is an early symptom of schizophrenia

            And you put diagnoses to all from the songs of those who did not understand? I'm worried about your patients ... laughing
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 6 March 2021 22: 22
              +8
              Quote: Hagen
              And you put diagnoses to all from the songs of those who did not understand?

              Any student of a medical university goes through the department of psychiatry and takes an exam on knowledge of the subject. Indeed, many somatic patients have mental disorders, and mentally ill people suffer from somatic diseases. When filling out a medical history, any doctor records the mental status of the patient.
              So a doctor of any specialty should know the basics of the subject.
              Quote: Hagen
              I am worried about your patients ..

              Don't be afraid, diagnostics are present
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 7 March 2021 07: 14
                .
                Quote: Silvestr
                Any student of a medical university goes through the department of psychiatry and takes an exam on knowledge of the subject.

                Doctor, re-read the question ... I didn't ask you about that. On the subject, it is clear that they did not succeed in it.
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      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 March 2021 14: 34
        +1
        Quote: Overlock
        Reasonable against EBN, but for the successor of his affairs GDP?

        It would not have been EBN, then they would have lived in the USSR, and VVP would have sat in its KGB and drove the "fartsa" along the entrances.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 7 March 2021 19: 06
          +20
          Quote: tihonmarine
          It would not have been EBN, then they would have lived in the USSR, and VVP would have sat in its KGB and drove the "fartsa" along the entrances.

          Not! The process leading to the collapse of the USSR was objective. The role of personality in history was studied in the 1st year of the university. It would just be another "EBN" and possibly with a + sign
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 March 2021 20: 32
      .
      Quote: Hagen
      The pros amuse pride, but the cons are more informative. Any evaluations can be beneficial

      You are right, I am of the same opinion. There is more information from the cons.
    3. sniperino
      sniperino 7 March 2021 21: 09
      0
      Quote: Hagen
      Any evaluations can be beneficial
      The pros and cons are unfortunately a manipulation tool here. If, when hovering the mouse over the "-" and "+", windows with the corresponding list of participants would pop up, then commentators could receive informative feedback. But they do not do this, not at all because of the complexity of the design, they just cherish the tool, hide the silent minusors, nmv.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 7 March 2021 21: 23
        +1
        Quote: sniperino
        The pros and cons, unfortunately, represent a manipulation tool here.

        Somehow I already suggested that the minus should go to the counter when commenting from the minus signer. As of today, only the impersonal share of opponents from the total number of those who are interested in an opinion is determined by the minuses. Your thought about pop-up nicknames, I think, is interesting. Although someone will be cut off due to the loss of complete anonymity. You may be right about manipulation. Or maybe they just don't want to bother. But even so, I would note that the elaboration of the forum is more advanced than that of many analogues.
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 8 March 2021 09: 11
        -2
        and what would it give you?
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 8 March 2021 12: 13
          +2
          Quote: 2 level advisor
          and what would it give you?
          I would watch who puts the marks. If they are put by sane commentators, I might think that is not so, and if dull balabolians, I would not waste time. Otherwise, without explanatory comments, all the minuses are written off to the tops. Someone else?
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 6 March 2021 17: 06
    +24
    reasonable did not fit.
    reasonable, who is this? those who measure everything with their stomach? Are they happy that the cars are in the yards?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 March 2021 19: 26
      .
      Reasonable are those who do not whine for life every day and do not live in dreams that someone will come and life will improve, as well as all the wishes are realized.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 6 March 2021 19: 45
        +27
        does not ache every day
        to carry a blizzard every day, you need to know at least a little about your counterpart.
        I lived in a Soviet country, I didn’t work. but the "reasonable" ones came and privatized the country. I was 30 then and I didn't whine then. But recently, the "reasonable" deprived of income and start again, as it is not very good, and everything collapsed unexpectedly. Tell me how to continue to live when your "reasonable" can cover whoever they want and when they want, and those like you live in a fairy tale.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 March 2021 21: 40
          -3
          Quote: Gardamir
          I was 30 then and I didn't whine then.

          And they were silent when the reasonable seized the country.
      2. Drugov
        Drugov 7 March 2021 10: 59
        +10
        Is it apparently the "whining" to blame for the fact that their incomes according to Rosstat have been falling for 8 years?
  • Revival
    Revival 7 March 2021 13: 53
    +1
    And the top apparently do not read the article
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 6 March 2021 16: 34
    +44
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    According to their own observations, at first, leftist activists throw minuses for you, but then reasonable ones will catch up.

    You're taking on too much, colleague.
    First, in your writings, you divided your fellow citizens into correct (pro-government) and wrong (dissatisfied), and wrong into more wrong categories, and now you still have the nerve and divided into "reasonable" to which you, apparently, count yourself and the campaign, unreasonable ones that don't fit into your "TV".
    Don't you think that all this has already happened?
    Shl. Note, I tried to express my thoughts very correctly, but in my head I have completely different words and epithets! negative am
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 6 March 2021 17: 06
      +36
      Quote: Stroporez
      First, in your writings, you divided your fellow citizens into correct (pro-government) and wrong (dissatisfied), and wrong into more wrong categories, and now you still have the nerve and divided into "reasonable" to which you, apparently, count yourself and the campaign, unreasonable ones that don't fit into your "TV".

      This is fascism. After dividing into right and wrong, the command "face" will go to wrong, and in relation to them any lawlessness will be possible, which is already happening.
      And to say that both are citizens of Russia and correctness or incorrectness has no difference before the law - the author cannot. The little soul is too small. And it is no longer strange when a real term is given for a plastic cup, and a conditional term is given to a Rosguard general for the stolen billions. This is an indicator of the level of justice in the state.
      Hey, literate, well, kiss the cross.
      Motherland loves so much that it is already incest.

      Aquarium (c)
      1. 1331M
        1331M 6 March 2021 17: 33
        +19
        Such a division is very ugly, to put it mildly.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 6 March 2021 18: 05
        +16
        Quote: Galleon
        This is fascism. After dividing into right and wrong, the command "face" will go to wrong, and in relation to them any lawlessness will be possible, which is already happening.

        This is exactly what I wanted to say, it is not for nothing that the evening M praises Duce and says that Hitler was a decent fellow.
        Quote: Galleon
        And to say that both are citizens of Russia and correctness or incorrectness has no difference before the law - the author cannot. The little soul is too small.

        And not from a big mind all this, because he says it exactly with the words that litter-tv hammered into his head.
        And the author is unaware of what infuses hostility within civil society, insulting a very large part of it? Or on purpose?
        One word provocateur.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 March 2021 19: 29
        .
        "Following the division into right and wrong, the command will go to the wrong, and in relation to them any lawlessness will be possible, which is already happening." And what kind of hedgehog lawlessness has fallen upon the wrong, and in general, who are the wrong?
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 6 March 2021 20: 56
          +20
          Dear Vadim237, if I had at least one scanty chance to influence your firmly formed opinion on the problem under discussion, then I would try to do it in the most detailed and benevolent way. But your question does not carry a research principle, but is filled with tidbits, so it simply does not make sense to answer it, stay with it. hi
          I’ll start answering you, and you’ll laugh at my answer. This will not happen.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 6 March 2021 21: 43
            +13
            Quote: Galleon
            I’ll start answering you, and you’ll laugh at my answer. This will not happen.

            Andrei hi Vadim cannot master your intellect .. so he can only make fun of himself .. well, or flog .. so it will be more accurate
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 March 2021 14: 47
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          And what kind of hedgehog lawlessness has fallen upon the wrong, and in general, who are the wrong?

          Wrong. The world was already passing when people were divided into right and wrong by the "Nuremberg racial laws" of 1935.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 8 March 2021 21: 38
      -2
      Quote: Stroporez
      I have completely different words and epithets in my head
      All people have brains in their heads, they find electrical potentials, chemical reactions, and you have words, epithets ... Maybe you are a program? belay
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 6 March 2021 17: 03
    +28
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    And thanks for the assessment.

    Do you think it is objective?
    The majority of the population does not support the left, but the government elected in a democratic way by the majority!
    Have you talked to the people for a long time?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 6 March 2021 17: 46
      +21
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      The majority of the population does not support the left, but the government elected in a democratic way by the majority!
      Have you talked to the people for a long time?

      He is embarrassed to comment on his own article to answer ... and you mean the people ..
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 17: 12
    +18
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    but then the reasonable ones will catch up and you, for sure, will be in pluses.

    Quote: tihonmarine
    The article is correct. But so far the reasonable ones have not come up.

    Sorry gentlemen. The reasonable were sent to the reasonable (the indignant mind boiled), the "leftists" - to the left, I don't know how to put it mildly where the "United Russia" was sent ...
    But that's not the point. I would like to see the light in the field of MIND.
    Whom do you consider "reasonable": those who, thanks to "personal business qualities, intelligence, talent and golden hands", reached the top lines in the Forbes list; those who have learned how to fish in a "state reservoir" (cooperative lake) without fear of consequences, or those who have so far powdered people's brains and inspired that they have never lived better, but have not yet understood this ( because it is possible, as in Ukraine ... or in Africa)?
    For the remaining 90% of "idlers", "drunks" and "not fit" by your standards should not be included in the list of reasonable ...
    1. nnm
      nnm 6 March 2021 17: 20
      +20
      Colleague, would you please take the top ten Russian from Forbes and tell us not how they got their assets for a pittance at unsecured auctions thanks to corruption, but
      thanks to personal business qualities, intelligence, talent and golden hands
      ?
      # 1 Potanin created Norilsk Nickel from 0?
      # 2 Did Lisin build NLMK in an open field?
      ... continue the list to # 10 - Abramovich, who in alliance with Berezovsky, Aven and Fridman became a billionaire "with his own mind"?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 17: 22
        +9
        Quote: ROSS 42
        "Personal business qualities, intelligence, talent and golden hands"

        Believe corrected!
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 6 March 2021 18: 22
    +11
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    According to their own observations, at first, leftist activists will throw minuses for you, but then reasonable ones will catch up and you, for sure, will be in pluses.
    And thanks for the assessment.

    I would also appreciate your article positively if it were about the Outskirts where you live ...

    And so, analyze, evaluate, talk about - "Collaborators, "fifth column", foreign agents" in Russia , at that time, and from the cloaca where something unimaginable is going on, it's offtopic ...
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 6 March 2021 18: 43
    +30
    According to their own observations, at first, leftist activists throw cons


    Author .... with logic you have a hopeless fog full of hedgehogs, and the lessons of philosophy and sociology, explaining the left, right and patriotism, you clearly missed. I would cut off my hand if I wrote such nonsense ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 6 March 2021 21: 50
      +8
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      ... I would cut off my hand if I wrote such nonsense ..

      hi fool good
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 7 March 2021 10: 53
      +7
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      I would cut off my hand if I wrote such nonsense ...

      Colleague, I will not cease to assert that the Soviet government has completely in vain taught many of our fellow citizens to read and write.
    3. sniperino
      sniperino 7 March 2021 21: 34
      -2
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      I would cut off my hand if I wrote such nonsense ...
      If you cut off your finger for every nonsense in the commentary, you would have poked your nose at Klava long ago.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        8 March 2021 18: 16
        -6
        Quote: sniperino
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        I would cut off my hand if I wrote such nonsense ...
        If you cut off your finger for every nonsense in the commentary, you would have poked your nose at Klava long ago.

        Bravo, Sniper! good You are a real master, you are definitely not hitting the eyebrow, but the eye! laughing And with humor, you are in complete order! yes drinks hi
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 8 March 2021 21: 59
          +1
          hi Thanks for the kind words and for the article! Kublo was stirred up, now they are sprinkling poison all day, some kind of serpentarium. drinks
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            9 March 2021 10: 20
            +1
            The third day, the most, the most furious are chasing not only on the topic, but also on the site, pouring a minus indiscriminately. Which is, actually, breaking the rules. The rest are vengeful remembered... But who will punish the activists? We will survive, sir! laughing
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 March 2021 19: 35
    +6
    Vladimir, as the author of the above work, name at least one oppositionist impaled on a stake?
    1. Vladimir Mashkov
      8 March 2021 18: 19
      -3
      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Vladimir, as the author of the above work, name at least one oppositionist impaled on a stake?

      That was a long time ago. History has not preserved names. And none of the current ones yet ... Unfortunately. laughing
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 March 2021 20: 17
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
        That was a long time ago. History has not preserved names. And none of the current ones yet ... Unfortunately.

        Vladimir, I have no desire to "smash" you as an Author. But according to political science as a science, the term opposition is applicable only to republican or limited constitutional forms of government. Mandatory signs are the presence of parties and the election of government institutions. The rest is from the evil one.
        So in the time of Ivan the Terrible, anyone was impaled on a stake, but not the opposition. Best regards, Kote!
  • Altona
    Altona 6 March 2021 20: 51
    +15
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    but then the reasonable ones will catch up and you, for sure, will be in pluses.

    ---------------------------------
    Will they come from Gelendzhik? laughing
  • dauria
    dauria 6 March 2021 21: 21
    +20
    but then the reasonable ones will catch up and you, for sure, will be in pluses.


    “Reasonable” very quickly become a “leftist” if the state gets into his pocket. Throw five years into retirement, steal seniority, impose a tax. Or even better - life is driving its muzzle on the asphalt like a disease, or the business has been squeezed out by more patriotic ones. laughing
    And dear author, the article is a fierce banal, a set of some slogans without analysis and proof. Undertook demagoguery, so at least study its laws. Demagoguery is a very complex and serious art - "to impose your opinion"
  • Drugov
    Drugov 7 March 2021 10: 47
    +2
    To give you a turnip, mister sovramshi.
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    2. Vladimir Mashkov
      8 March 2021 18: 23
      -4
      Quote: Drugov
      To give you a turnip, mister sovramshi.

      Cool. Only who were going to punish is not clear. smile
      1. Drugov
        Drugov 15 March 2021 19: 32
        0
        Yes, I do not want to punish anyone. It is on emotions, from the fact that your sycophancy in front of those in power, who have grabbed the national property, is frankly outraged. Well, people are not blind, they see the positive, but they understand that this is a bone with debris against the background of what has already been cut off from this bone.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          15 March 2021 20: 01
          0
          You shouldn't be so. I have no sycophancy. AND never in a long life before anyone. For which I was repeatedly and undeservedly bypassed and spanked by sycophants. Remember Omar:
          Are you bypassed by the award? Forget it.
          Do days rush through? Forget it.
          The wind is careless: in the eternal Book of Life
          Could move the wrong page ...
          And I don't really pity the current rulers, I think you can do more, and do better, make fewer mistakes. And not everything they do is pleasant. But you need to be honest and objective, to celebrate and undoubted successes and achievements that Yes.
          1. Drugov
            Drugov 15 March 2021 20: 25
            -1
            I didn't want to offend you, so don't get angry and forgive me if something goes wrong. Most of all, I would not want us to fight, swear and break spears in disputes, and even more so, look at each other from different sides of the barricades. But at least kill I do not accept the agenda with propaganda slogans such as is Putin is Russia or you, what do you want in the 90s? etc. etc. You need to understand that Putin finished his historical mission in about 10 years, then there are continuous mistakes and outright profanities. And it is very difficult to imagine Putin's achievements if not for historically high energy prices.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 March 2021 16: 01
    .
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Duc by the evening, probably numbers with zeros will be!

    I didn’t think there were so many "rot" foreign agents.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 6 March 2021 16: 11
      .
      Tomorrow I'll run to work and take a look, otherwise it doesn't show how much in the mobile application.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 6 March 2021 16: 16
        .
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Tomorrow I'll run to work and take a look, otherwise it doesn't show how much in the mobile application.

        Currently +12 and -16.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 6 March 2021 16: 19
          .
          Yes indeed there are too many people who want to take away and divide in a new way! hi
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 6 March 2021 17: 09
            +16
            take away and divide in a new way!
            What year are you talking about? When the 90s came and they began to take away and divide among themselves, and to the people vouchers.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 March 2021 19: 47
              .
              And the people drugged by decades of Soviet power and life - in the bosom of "Trust the state, it will solve all your problems and provide you with a bright future" the famous Mavrodi with his MMM all the 90s in this regard and have now gone through a criminal chronicle, you will open such a swindler continue to carry money and continue to trust the calls of the crawlers to the left online stores to the left contracts without reading them, etc.
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 17: 15
            +15
            Quote: tralflot1832
            Yes indeed there are too many people who want to take away and divide in a new way!

            Those who want to take away and divide among themselves can be seen in GB and other warm corners of the planet. We do not need to take away anything, we would return what was stolen, but taxes (personal income tax) should be divided among everyone on a progressive scale of taxation ...
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 6 March 2021 18: 21
              +16
              Quote: ROSS 42
              We do not need to take away anything, we would return what was stolen, but taxes (personal income tax) should be divided among everyone on a progressive scale of taxation ...

              Comrade, can you imagine how far it has gone? Such authors and others like him already see us as "real" enemies, although the TV invented them for them, and we are still trying to reason with them and think that they are lost and are about to come to their senses.
              I'm even scared to think what will happen next ...
              But to be honest, deep down I want to take everything away and divide it up, so that there is enough for everyone, old people, children and the disabled.
              1. clerk
                clerk 6 March 2021 20: 14
                .
                ... But to be honest, deep down I want to take everything away and divide it up, so that there is enough for everyone, old people, children and the disabled.
                ... It remains only to find out - who will work after that?
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 6 March 2021 21: 02
                  +9
                  Quote: clerk
                  ... It remains only to find out - who will work after that?

                  Robots and 3D printers, if you like. At this stage of development, a person does not have to do the work of a locksmith of the 2nd-4th category, as well as a turner-milling cutter.
                  And the logistics systems in China are simply amazing!
                  If you want to say that the Russians are worse than the Chinese, then say this is a fact, we sort things out among ourselves, instead of
                2. clerk
                  clerk 6 March 2021 21: 51
                  .
                  ... ... It remains only to find out - who will work after that? ///////

                  Robots and 3D printers, if you like. At this stage of development, a person does not have to do the work of a locksmith of the 2nd-4th category, as well as a turner-milling cutter.
                  A wonderful (without any irony) answer. But then one more question will remain - where to send all those accusing Putin of not carrying out the new industrialization?
                3. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 7 March 2021 04: 03
                  +11
                  Quote: clerk
                  But then there will be one more question - where to send all those accusing Putin of not carrying out the new industrialization?

                  In fact, to the same place where the responsible officials (not Putin himself was going to create) sent those decrees according to which the country was supposed to create 2020 million high-tech jobs by 25. yes
                  I'll tell you more. Questions of modern industrialization revolve in the plane of increasing costs (prime cost, cost, costs) for production, in spite of and in spite of common sense. Instead of modernization, digitalization, automation, we have the old (almost everywhere) production on the knee. I am not asking where the domestic bearings, sewing needles and the sewing machines themselves, as well as vacuum cleaners, refrigerators, televisions, and other equipment of an acceptable price range, have gone. Consumer goods are made (mostly) in China and other countries. The domestic industry is in complete degradation. That is why any production in Russia needs a time frame that is two to three times longer than in developed industrial countries.
                4. clerk
                  clerk 7 March 2021 11: 07
                  -1
                  ... In fact, to the same place where the responsible officials (not Putin himself was going to create) sent those decrees according to which the country was supposed to create 2020 million high-tech jobs by 25.
                  Not "create", but "modernize and create". These are two big differences - they put a computer in the polyclinic's registry - and that is a "high-tech workplace". Putin is a lawyer and an experienced politician and knows how to speak so that everyone hears what he wants to hear, and Putin could not be accused of deception. laughing
                  ... The domestic industry is in complete degradation. That is why any production in Russia needs a time frame that is two to three times longer than in developed industrial countries.
                  Domestic consumer goods industry died back in the 90s. It is very expensive and pointless to create it from scratch - it is wiser to move foreign production here and gradually increase localization. This has been done for a long time, but the result is not as clear as if they released something purely of their own. And if you start a new one from scratch (such as gas turbines for the Crimea or power plants for ships), then yes - the terms will be many times longer, this is normal.
                5. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 7 March 2021 12: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: clerk
                  And if you start a new one from scratch (such as gas turbines for the Crimea or power plants for ships), then yes - the terms will be many times longer, this is normal.

                  I doubt the veracity of such analytics. Nobody questioned the high rate of emergence of "Russian" billionaires, "Russian" banks, shopping and entertainment centers, pharmacies and others. But when it comes to creating a new production, then incomprehensible questions immediately arise ... And what do technical universities teach? Probably, the pool of highly qualified teachers has dried up or there is no funding for technical specialists ...
                  You know how many people in Russia do not fight against the dominance of officials, they only multiply and prosper ... We have some kind of wrong development of the economy, don't you think?
                6. clerk
                  clerk 7 March 2021 17: 56
                  0
                  ... And if you start a new one from scratch (such as gas turbines for the Crimea or power plants for ships), then yes - the terms will be many times longer, this is normal.
                  ///////// :::: ////////
                  I doubt the veracity of such analytics. Nobody questioned the high rate of emergence of "Russian" billionaires, "Russian" banks, shopping and entertainment centers, pharmacies and others. But when it comes to creating a new production, then incomprehensible questions immediately arise ... And what do technical universities teach? Probably, the pool of highly qualified teachers has dried up or there is no funding for technical specialists ...
                  ... The engineering and technical school was lost and the continuity of generations was disrupted. A bank clerk or seller can be trained from scratch at a vocational school in a year and a half. As an independent engineer, you need to grow 7-10 years in a university and an experienced team of a highly qualified worker - about the same.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 6 March 2021 19: 53
    .
    Yes, taxes (personal income tax) should be divided among everyone on a progressive scale of taxation ... It is impossible to sharply raise taxes - in the end, all the amount of tax will be reflected in your pocket for the worse - since almost everyone you will impose a sharp increased tax on manufacturers of goods or services will simply translate it into the cost of the final product. This should be done smoothly at 1 percent per year.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 6 March 2021 21: 14
      +14
      Quote: Vadim237
      Yes, taxes (personal income tax) should be divided among everyone on a progressive scale of taxation ... It is impossible to sharply raise taxes - in the end, all that how much they are raised will affect your pocket for the worse - since almost everyone you will impose a sharp increased tax on manufacturers of goods or services n

      Listen, colleague! What taxes from citizens do you even stutter about if all "daughters-sons" are offshore from state-owned companies. will pay normal taxes, Rosneftegaz, Rosneft, Gazpryom, Alikhpeka, Deripaska, Potanins, Timchenkos, Abgamovichs, Shalomovs and, Usmanovs and other gear-Mordashovs, then the budget will be filled fifty years in advance.
      And then we will exempt shopkeepers and other hairdressers from taxes altogether, we will set up autobahns and railways with free travel!
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 7 March 2021 04: 11
      +12
      Quote: Vadim237
      You cannot sharply raise taxes - in the end, everything how much they will be uplifted will affect your pocket for the worse - since almost everyone who you impose a sharp increased tax on producers of goods or services will simply translate it into the cost of the final product.

      I'll tell you a simple thing. There is also VAT, which must be paid by the manufacturer (seller) of the finished product (final product). Otherwise, an interesting picture turns out: retail prices differ by an order of magnitude from wholesale (factory) prices, this disgrace is paid by the buyer, and the seller chokes on the profit received.
      Economic leverage is a tricky thing. In our case, to force the retail prices for gasoline within the country to drop to 15-20 rubles, and to bring the cost of 1 kW / h to 1 is a matter of one year. And there is no need to moan that if effective managers leave state corporations, then a khan will come to us. Cope with it before. There are always people at the wedding table who are used to eating in three throats ...
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  • for
    for 6 March 2021 17: 21
    +9
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Tomorrow I'll run to work, I'll see

    True patriots do that.
    Don't worry about going to the site from your browser.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 6 March 2021 17: 48
    +5
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Tomorrow I'll run to work and take a look, otherwise it doesn't show how much in the mobile application.

    So you even work on Sunday ... you all think about Russia ...
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 6 March 2021 17: 55
      .
      I work not only on Sundays, but also on March 8
      At work I'll think about Russia! If you want to live well, you have to work and watch.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 17: 00
    +16
    Quote: tihonmarine
    I didn’t think there were so many "rot" foreign agents.

    And if impartially, then you are a foreign agent.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 6 March 2021 17: 36
    +36
    Quote: tihonmarine
    I didn’t think there were so many "rot" foreign agents.

    And you, purebred patriot? White bone?
  • New Year day
    New Year day 6 March 2021 15: 52
    +16
    Quote: tihonmarine
    And you immediately received a minus from the oppositionists, false patriots.

    Who is the patriot? Who loves from afar? laughing The further, the stronger!
    1. 1331M
      1331M 6 March 2021 16: 02
      +35
      A true patriot always approves of everything, he is always happy with everything.
      Everything is fine with him, there is no corruption in the country, there are no beggars, no one steals budget money and does not take the stolen goods abroad in carts, the people live great, because there are so many cars in the yards, there was no such thing with advice. dissatisfied is an enemy and a traitor.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        6 March 2021 16: 05
        .
        Do not juggle, please!
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 6 March 2021 16: 47
          +18
          And in what "distorted" - more specifically, please! Refute at least one phrase! But only with good reason!
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            6 March 2021 16: 59
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            I will not refute anything: the article says enough for a reasonable person. And I just DO NOT like quarrels and scandals.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 6 March 2021 17: 17
              +8
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              I will not refute anything: the article says enough for a reasonable person. And I just DO NOT like quarrels and scandals.

              The administration suppresses scandals and quarrels. And they ask you questions on the topic of what you have written .. They are certainly uncomfortable and require tension of convolutions .. but you will already work hard .. at the same time we will see what your true beliefs are and how deep they are ..
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                6 March 2021 17: 24
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                No, namesake, thank you. You and your colleagues will have a discussion. All of you are big hunters with deep convictions and you are great at it! And they won't be able to drag me into squabbles.smile
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 6 March 2021 17: 25
                  +6
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  No, namesake, thank you. You and your colleagues will have a discussion. All of you are big hunters with deep convictions and you are great at it! smile

                  That's the whole point of true patriots ... they have done business over the hill ... and you already sort of figure it out yourself ...
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 6 March 2021 19: 23
                    +13
                    Quote: Svarog
                    This is the whole point of true patriots .. they did business even over the hill ..

                    That's not right No. , wrong No. you regarding the author ...
                    He was not hiding anywhere, there is no need request He initially casuistically "loves Russia" because of the hillock - from the Outskirts ...
                  2. Svarog
                    Svarog 6 March 2021 21: 53
                    +5
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    He initially casuistically "loves Russia" because of the hillock - from the Outskirts ...

                    Well, I'm ready to believe it .. for some reason, all the ardent supporters of Putin are not broadcasting from Russia .. coincidence? I don't think wassat
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                  5. Vladimir Mashkov
                    7 March 2021 12: 08
                    -7
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    That's where you started, having naughty in the "PM", but there I put you on the "black list", and here - in public, in front of witnesses - I warn you, another such boorish attack - I will act according to the rules of the site.

                    Chop on your nose.

                    How dare you accuse me of rudeness, you yourself constantly offending me, repeatedly rude and rude to me? Well, you and ... the complainant! Yes ugh at you ...!
                2. Revival
                  Revival 7 March 2021 14: 06
                  -1
                  And so virtual walking in Russia, well, well, then everything is clear ...
                  And also indicate how we should be here and who is right and wrong with us !?
                  That is, bring split and division into our society!
                  Sit at home and don't point out what you don't know about
              2. Nemchinov Vl
                Nemchinov Vl 7 March 2021 03: 32
                +3
                and here -
                Quote: Insurgent
                So you are wrong, you are wrong about the author ...
                , completely ugly, looks from the outside (!)... What is it like, - "and you will not fight! but I do not incite!"... negative
                Quote: Insurgent
                He was not hiding anywhere, there is no need for it. He casually "loves Russia"
                winked I would clarify that judging (not under this article) and according to the discussions on the VO pages, topics raised by other authors, then this person, loves more exactly USSR, not Russia (!), and the difference between these government devices is unlimitedly HUGE !!.
                Quote: Insurgent
                from beyond the hillock - from the outskirts ...
                Therefore, for him de * jure, ALL THIS is still one country. winked
                Do you know, often the opinions of people, in particular their "personal assessment of the situation", in the society around them, do not coincide (!)... And in principle, this is quite normal. We are all different, and our views may be different. yes
                I did not notice in the article that the author defended precisely "representatives of the (so-called) elite"currently in power in the Russian Federation ?!. He just expressed his opinion that the opposition it is a constructive tool, flawed (!)... And he expressed concern that sometimes (and he, like you and me HERE, experienced it), disguised as opposition, the state structure in society can be destroyed, together with the state itself !!!... This is when such tool as we say, the SCALPEL can fall into the hands of an inexperienced (not conscientious) a surgeon .... winked
                Personally, I somehow understood, for myself, the message of his article. what
                The wonderful Soviet satirist, Mikhail Mishin, there is a beautiful satirical work called - OK !!!, About how ridiculous and funny from the outside can be human extremes (from indifference, to .... well, not for me to you about "activists" narrate !!!). Read this story. Perhaps you will like it .... hi
        2. clerk
          clerk 6 March 2021 20: 10
          .
          ... The administration suppresses scandals and quarrels. And they ask you questions on the topic of what you have written .. They are certainly uncomfortable and require the tension of convolutions .. but you will already work hard .. at the same time we will see what your true beliefs are and how deep they are ..
          ... Writes a person who dodges answers to specific questions like the devil from incense, hiding behind the duty lamentations about the restoration of the USSR. laughing
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 17: 27
        +10
        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
        And I just DO NOT like quarrels and scandals.

        Quarrels and scandals are when the face is in red snot and bazaar showdowns. At the forum (website), it is customary for reasonable and decent people to answer directly and honestly to mutual questions posed to each other and not bustle, as under a pitchfork.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          6 March 2021 17: 35
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          Yuri Vasilievich, I wrote an article in which I expressed my thoughts quite clearly and clearly. And now many of your fellow thinkers, whom, it turns out, touched upon in the article, demand that I confirm what I wrote ten times. Is it smart? Not. Reread the article!
          1. tasha
            tasha 6 March 2021 18: 36
            +12
            in which he clearly and clearly stated his thoughts
            Vladimir, unfortunately, is NOT clear and understandable enough. In my opinion.
            Very littered, vague and blurry.
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 17: 31
        +10
        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
        the article says enough for a reasonable person.

        Enough, you say? Is it okay that according to the consumer basket, a pensioner is given one pair of socks every six months?
        the fight against the Russian government, the state, Russia and the Russian people.

        You are confusing personal wool with state.
        And you yourself provoked the quarrel. Therefore, you will personally be labeled "provocateur", because your assessment of the authorities and the opposition is more inclined than the Tower of Pisa.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 7 March 2021 21: 50
      0
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      Refute at least one phrase! But only with good reason!
      So, there is not a single reasoned statement in these phrases, but you cannot argue with delirium: just make a diagnosis and prescribe a two-bucket klystyr 3 times a day instead of eating to flush the brains.
  • veritas
    veritas 6 March 2021 18: 10
    +14
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    Do not juggle, please!

    Vladimir, how to distinguish an oppositionist from an "oppositionist", what are your signs? And how to distinguish a patriot from a "patriot" in power. And if a representative of the government is lying to the whole country, is he a patriot or a "patriot"?
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  • clerk
    clerk 6 March 2021 20: 16
    .
    ... A true patriot always approves of everything, he is always happy with everything.
    Everything is fine with him, there is no corruption in the country, there are no beggars, no one steals budget money and does not take the stolen goods abroad in carts, the people live great, because there are so many cars in the yards, there was no such thing with advice. dissatisfied is an enemy and a traitor.
    ... That is, to ascribe your own rubbish to the author, and then sneer at this type - is this normal?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 March 2021 16: 07
    .
    Quote: Silvestr
    Who is the patriot? Who loves from afar? The further, the stronger!

    Do not exaggerate, still an adult and a former Soviet person. As I was and remained, I was just "preserved". And you can only love a woman. And a person should worship and remember his ancestors, graveyards, graves and his village where you were born. And pass on the memory to children and grandchildren.
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 6 March 2021 18: 23
      +14
      Quote: tihonmarine
      And you can only love a woman.

      In your opinion, it turns out that the Motherland cannot be loved? So who is a patriot, the one who loves his Motherland no matter what, wishes her prosperity and glory, or the one who simply remembers her and worships her?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 6 March 2021 19: 09
        0
        Quote: Arlen
        In your opinion, it turns out that the Motherland cannot be loved?

        I answered the man to the words "love from afar?" And this is different. And about the Motherland there is the Song "Where does the Motherland begin ...". And you just wave a saber.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 March 2021 18: 39
      +6
      Quote: tihonmarine
      still an adult and a former Soviet person.

      I am not a "former Soviet"! At my age, it is too late to swear oath, and even when I was young I refused this procedure.
      Quote: tihonmarine
      And a person should worship and remember his ancestors, graveyards, graves and his village where you were born. And pass on the memory to children and grandchildren.

      This is MOTHERLAND, not a hired manager of the GDP with a vertical structure, who has built his state according to the principle "The state is me!"
  • 1331M
    1331M 6 March 2021 17: 39
    +16
    Who is the patriot? Who loves from afar? The further, the stronger!

    When the flags were on the site, I also drew attention to this pattern. The geography is the widest - from America to Europe, and all of them, living in the damned and hated decaying west, taught (and continue to do so) everyone with Russian flags how to love their homeland. Some kind of surrealism.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 7 March 2021 23: 06
      +4
      Quote: 1331M
      When the flags were on the site, I also noticed this pattern. The geography is the widest - from America to Europe.
      Through a VPN, you can even hang a Chinese flag, even a Russian one, this is not an indicator.
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 6 March 2021 18: 38
    +8
    Quote: Silvestr
    Who is the patriot? Who loves from afar? The further, the stronger!


    Well ... The author, a patriot from far away, from Kharkov, loves tightly. And he is not concerned about the situation in the outskirts but grieves about Russia.
    So the soul hurts, so hurts for Russia, in which everything is so different ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 6 March 2021 21: 56
      +2
      Quote: Insurgent
      So the soul hurts, so hurts for Russia, in which everything is so different ...

      It is clear that he is fighting for citizenship ... he has brought Ukraine ... now he has taken on Russia ...
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 March 2021 22: 28
      +1
      Quote: Insurgent
      The author, a patriot from far away, from Kharkov,

      then it's clear! This is forgiven him. Many acquaintances in Ukraine have such an opinion and they do not even imagine the real cuisine in Russia. Such a break is now in the Crimea. In the 14th, everyone thought that they would live like in Moscow, but it turned out that it was necessary to live like in the outback
    3. Vladimir Mashkov
      7 March 2021 13: 36
      -4
      Quote: Insurgent
      Well ... The author, a patriot from far away, from Kharkov, loves tightly. And he is not concerned about the situation in the outskirts but grieves about Russia.
      The soul hurts so much, it hurts so much for Russia, in which everything is so different ..

      Yes, I wrote two articles about Russian-Russian patriotism. But I (besides many comments) also have an article about Ukraine. What everyone can see by visiting my page.

      Insurgent, do you want to apologize for the arrogant and shameless slander and lies about me?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 7 March 2021 16: 03
        0
        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

        Yes, I wrote two articles about Russian-Russian patriotism. But I (besides many comments) also have an article about Ukraine. What everyone can see by visiting my page.

        Of course, the article about the Outskirts, in which you, like in this one, just got loose with a lot of commentators, pounced on them with or without (your answers in the style of a real ykra to the letter X):


        Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.


        What, in your opinion, is the slander?
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          8 March 2021 18: 52
          -2
          Quote: Insurgent
          What, in your opinion, is the slander?

          Your slander and lies are that you claim that I am "concerned not with the situation in the outskirts but grieving for Russia.... I answered you, I proved that I am writing about the Motherland-Russia, and about Ukraine. And I will write about what I deem necessary, contrary to the opinion of various boobies! And the VO administration will decide to print / not print.

          Your slander and lies are that you claim that I am - "ukrotroll". I not a tame roll! But, after your statement and vengeful complaints against me, I doubt that you are not a tame troll.

          And, mind you, I am not a snitch, not a complainant, not an applicant, I am not complaining about you.

          But you complained - and the kind administration warned me for, in general, an innocent word. Soon, it seems, I will begin to sculpt warnings for the use in the context of the words "stupid" and "bad" according to the statements of the complainants!

          Thank you very much, honest kind human being!

          All the best! I have the honor! soldier
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 March 2021 19: 40
    0
    Quote: Silvestr
    Who is the patriot? Who loves from afar? The further, the stronger!

    No, the highest quasi-continuity of love for the motherland is without taking your fifth point off the sofa! wink
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 15: 56
    +25
    Quote: tihonmarine
    And you immediately received a minus from the oppositionists, false patriots.

    Just two examples:
    “39 million Russians are below the poverty line. That's a lot! " The president said indignantly. If this were said by a presidential candidate fighting against the current leader, one could applaud. But this was said by a man who has ruled the country for 20 years. Crumple or cry?

    The official's son asks his father:
    - Dad, what is patriotism?
    - This is when ordinary people work for a penny so that we can live on an estate, go to a dacha in Italy ...
    “But aren't they angry about this?
    - Of course they are angry, but this is extremism.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 6 March 2021 16: 27
      +11
      And tomorrow, they will similarly fight against the one who comes instead of Putin.

      Let's spend the "miracle" of reincarnation and return Comrade Stalin!
      That's really who knew how to deal with any opposition radically .... though with him, and the presumptuous, stolen, officials - party members got no less!
      Another global experiment with unpredictable consequences!
      True, there will be more than two steamers by the intelligentsia, and they will sail away, they are probably not far away ... the leader knew how to learn from his mistakes, this is a fact. Corrected as needed!
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 17: 18
        +3
        Quote: rocket757
        True, with him and the presumptuous, stolen, officials - party members got no less!

        That is why no one aspired to the opposition. yes
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 6 March 2021 17: 25
          +5
          It was a serious, tough time ... although, you can say so, we are not like that, the world is like that!
          However, the country developed in an ascending order and there were a lot of serious, interesting plans !!!
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 6 March 2021 16: 25
    +24
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Good article, everything is laid out on the shelves! Thank you!

    And where are the Pechenegopolists, the reptilians, the 125th convoy and all the other agents of the State Department? wassat
    there were not enough shelves?
  • Baloo
    Baloo 6 March 2021 16: 33
    +6
    Quote: tralflot1832
    The majority of the population does not support the left, but the government elected by a democratically majority majority

    Quote: tralflot1832
    Good article, everything is laid out on the shelves! Thank you!

    This is true. At the household level and in the "tram", the position, navralny and other husks are of no interest to anyone, just like Ukraine with its clowns. Yes, the salaries don't match. There should not be a spread of a thousand or more times between the salary of an ordinary and a manager in a state-owned enterprise, this does not stimulate productivity. Basic instinct cannot be fooled. As the founder of the Bosch concern said: I pay high salaries to employees in order to be able to pay them.
    And I will not comment on the fifth column, for foreign agents - suitcase, train station or airport and write letters to mom in small handwriting. and if the law was violated by Kolyma ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 March 2021 16: 58
      +7
      Quote: Balu
      There should not be a spread of a thousand or more times between the salary of an ordinary and a manager at a state-owned enterprise,

      You are of course right. But you have no social protection, as well as social rights. Capitalism took everything away.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 6 March 2021 17: 20
        +2
        And capitalism never gave anything to anyone! How they love to write, an "equal opportunity" society!
        Very equal, smoother than even ...
        There was a period when, due to competition with the USSR, the social camp, he managed to scratch out some concessions, but as it turned out, as current events show, it was a temporary retreat .... everything is returning to normal.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 6 March 2021 17: 48
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          but as it turned out, as current events show, it was a temporary retreat .... everything is returning to normal.

          The way it is. You can forget about rights and social protection for now. One president, power, parliament will leave, new ones will come, but everything will be the same.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 6 March 2021 18: 55
            +1
            The system is worth it, but you can't say that it is eternal either ... everything starts and ends on time.
            Although, we, too, are not just present nearby, we can move the term back and forth with our actions! Only this WE should be very big, significant, defining.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 6 March 2021 19: 13
              -3
              Quote: rocket757
              The system is worth it, but you can't say that it is eternal either ... everything starts and ends on time.

              Of course it will change over time, the perpetual motion machine has not yet been invented. Although Britain is shouting "eternal empire", it looks like it is already swinging from side to side.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 17: 39
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        But you have no social protection, as well as social rights. Capitalism took everything away.

        We do not have social protection, because there are no real trade unions that can pose any employer by the method of an ordinary strike (refusal to fulfill labor and official duties until requirements are met). So far, people have not realized that it is useless to shout and speak through the walls (especially the Kremlin ones).
        As for "capitalist equality", then it exists and is called the right of the bubble and is determined by its quantity:

        I have already made a comment about "Pure of heart" "Sincere confession" of the Lord of Labor A. Rotenberg. In this whole mess, there is no documentary evidence from the tax on the payment of 0,001% of 100 rubles (indicative) property tax.
        They don't give a fuck about social protection and social assault.
  • iouris
    iouris 6 March 2021 17: 45
    +7
    Quote: tralflot1832
    everything is laid out on the shelves!

    Even the shelves are not signed. (Chukchi is not a reader.)
    Let's start with the fact that patriotism cannot be an ideology. The author of the text does not bother with the question of which ideologies are patriotic in a state where ideology is officially prohibited. The main contradiction that divides society into groups competing for the state machine (suppression machine) or for support of the external suppression machine of the state machine is not indicated. The goals pursued by these groups have not been identified. It is not shown who is the "proposition" which is supposedly opposed by the "opposition". Has the Iron Felix returned to its place? How did the "vote" end? I answer: by demonstrating the unity of the main political forces on the main question: is it not time to put an end to the counter-revolutionary gains of the Abramovichs?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 17: 52
      +7
      Quote: iouris
      what ideologies are patriotic in a state where ideology is officially prohibited.

      She's kind of not banned
      (No ideology can be established as state or obligatory), but consolidates the principle of ideological diversity as one of the foundations of the country's constitutional system.

      But it raises a lot of questions, because any ideology other than the pro-government one can fall under the article of extremism at any time.
      1. iouris
        iouris 7 March 2021 08: 26
        +1
        Banning ideology is a ruse. Ideology exists objectively, since there are social classes and antagonisms (irreconcilable contradictions). The class state is dominated by the ideology of the ruling class. The dominant class is the class of (large) owners - "capital". Capital is value that brings surplus value. Capital is not patriotic, it is cosmopolitan. Today, global capital is so powerful that it is destroying the nation state (but what is happening even in the United States?)
        Such publications indicate an extremely low scientific (theoretical) level of mass consciousness in the Russian Federation. This does not allow for adequate goal-setting. Therefore, social practice is aimed at pursuing illusory goals. Resources are spent incorrectly, urgent tasks are not being solved. The existence of the state is under threat.
  • Hypertension
    Hypertension 6 March 2021 18: 00
    0
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Good article, everything is laid out on the shelves! Thank you!

    For those who are not used to thinking with their own head, and who needs to define the enemy in a chaotic and clumsy way like in the article, it will do, yes ...
    But we have not seen illustrations of this very opposition or "opposition" ... Therefore, here:
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 6 March 2021 18: 32
    .
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Good article, everything is laid out on the shelves! Thank you!

    To return the "oppositionist" to Nizhny Tagil for a month in the nineties. I would love to see how long he can last ... wassat
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 20: 35
      +5
      Quote: Tank jacket
      To return the "oppositionist" to Nizhny Tagil for a month in the nineties. I would love to see how long he can last ...

      Who were you for at that time?
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 6 March 2021 22: 29
        -1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Who were you for at that time?

        judging by the silence, for Makhno laughing
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 17: 11
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          judging by the silence, for Makhno

          There was the population on the one hand, the power, like it is - on the other, Gena-Herat with his gang from the third, and some other blatnyuk, he forgot what drove him.
      2. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 7 March 2021 21: 29
        +1
        Incorrect question, I was 11 in 1991 ... For study and physical training ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 21: 31
          +1
          Quote: Tank jacket
          For study and physical training ...

          Oooh ... Cool too .... wink
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 6 March 2021 18: 35
    +16
    And what good is the article? In my opinion, it is absolutely naive and propagandistic.

    The real opposition is always patriotic and consists of patriotic statesmen who never oppose their state, country and people. They are against bloody civil upheavals and wars, for a peaceful, civilized resolution of internal contradictions and conflicts.


    That is, the author claims that the Great October Revolution and its consequences are the creation of false patriots and their henchmen. Or then the Revolution is good, and then bad, or whatever. Yes, all the same - unintelligent and illiterate demagoguery in the form of an article.
    1. iouris
      iouris 7 March 2021 22: 27
      -1
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      In my opinion, it is absolutely naive and propagandistic.

      This is not propaganda. There is no naive propaganda. This is self-exposure, coming out. Freedom of the press has gone so far that the printing level has dropped below the lower limit.
  • MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 6 March 2021 18: 55
    +13
    "The real opposition is always patriotic and consists of patriotic statesmen who never oppose their state, country and people." I agree with this. Everything else is controversial ... And tell me, raising the retirement age in our country contributes to the unity of our people and strengthens faith in the justice of our state, or is it a sabotage aimed at splitting society and the state? And how should true patriots statesmen treat those who implemented this reform?
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 6 March 2021 18: 58
    .
    I keep the article clear.
  • Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 19: 31
    .
    I am grateful to the author of the article for helping people to recognize those who are around us.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 March 2021 20: 44
    -7
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Good article, everything is laid out on the shelves! Thank you!

    Yes, the article is not the most important thing, the main thing is already under 400 comments. It is from them that we get more clarity, when everyone has their own point of view. At least now I have begun to understand clearly what is happening now in Russia. We then wandered around the seas and lived our own lives, and we simply did not see and did not know much.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 7 March 2021 07: 26
      -6
      And as usual, of these more than 400 comments, most of them belong to just a few adherents of the struggle "for all good against all bad" and "take away and share." Moreover, these adepts interact well with trolls from the Nezalezhnaya, like Vlasov, who out of hatred for The USSR and the system that existed then took the side of the Nazis. One word-opposition :)))
    2. Vladimir Mashkov
      7 March 2021 14: 06
      -7
      Colleague, I am also a former fisherman and sailor. The sea hardened us and cleared our brains. Otherwise, I would not be able to withstand the attacks of all this evil spirits. They have already slapped me more than 10000 dislikes and downgraded my rank. Looks like the diagnosis is accurate and ripped them to the liver! laughing laughing laughing
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 9 March 2021 09: 49
        -1
        Have you ever thought that maybe you are just in the minority? or again agents of the State Department?
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          9 March 2021 11: 01
          -1
          I thought about this topic. Repeatedly. I am surethat real patriots - most... And even here on the site. They just do not want to get involved in squabbles and scandals with you - loud scandalous not very smart vindictive achtivists (I believe - pensioners) (normal conversations with you are impossible). Yes, and normal people are busy with business, work, and do not constantly stick around here, come in from time to time. And you, permanent activists on the site, yes, the majority. And it seems that someone is patronizing you, if not punishing you for constant violations of the Rules.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 March 2021 20: 48
    -4
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Good article, everything is laid out on the shelves! Thank you!

    Well, you have brought the people! You already have 90 plus / minus. I have never seen anything like this.
  • Revival
    Revival 7 March 2021 13: 30
    0
    Propaganda article, shelved
  • Alexga
    Alexga 6 March 2021 15: 13
    +15
    To put it mildly, this is all the private opinion of the author.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 6 March 2021 15: 17
      +10
      such as Navalny or Tikhanov’s not opposition even once, just swindlers trying to emerge on the wave of popular discontent. and the real opposition is being strangled in the bud.
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 6 March 2021 15: 24
        +3
        Absolutely right!
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 March 2021 20: 08
        .
        "And the real opposition is being strangled in the bud." And who is this - are there examples of this real opposition?
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 15: 57
      +21
      Quote: AlexGa
      To put it mildly, this is all the private opinion of the author.

      And no longer need to speak softly. It is time to tell the truth at this age, but in verified words.
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 6 March 2021 21: 14
        0
        As a citizen of the RSFSR, and, quite possibly, in the future, a citizen of the Russian Federation, I am telling the truth. According to that classification, the population of the Russian Federation is divided, the first group includes those citizens who voted for the amendments to the Constitution "FOR", the second group voted "AGAINST", and the third group includes those whose real estate and capital are outside the Russian Federation, and also those to whom some family members study and live in the same place as the capital. As for me personally, I do not know to whom the author of this creation would refer me.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 March 2021 14: 54
          0
          Quote: AlexGa
          As for me personally, I do not know to whom the author of this creation would refer me.

          So if you are not a citizen of the Russian Federation, then you are in the "fourth" group.
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 6 March 2021 15: 18
    +31
    Well, it's clear! True patriots are those who plunder the Vostochny cosmodrome, buy up villas in Italy and take money from the cuts to offshore companies! laughing
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 6 March 2021 15: 27
      +20
      Quote: Sahalinets
      True patriots are those who plunder the Vostochny cosmodrome, buy up villas in Italy and take money from the cuts to offshore companies!


      request
      1. 1331M
        1331M 6 March 2021 15: 53
        +29
        And those who are tired of corruption, theft, the withdrawal of billions abroad are also agents of the State Department and traitors, I wonder?
        1. depressant
          depressant 6 March 2021 17: 05
          +12
          Why, without calling for revolution, do I consider the ruling class of Russia worthless, unworthy to lead our great country?
          Here is a simple example from a number of similar ones.
          In December 2019, a certain Novak, as a negotiator known for his toxicity, came to the president and proposed to build a gas processing plant somewhere in Taimyr or Yamal with the participation of the state budget, which means as part of the construction of state capitalism. It's a good thing! Instead of driving gas abroad, it is better to turn it into granules, from which you can make at least a plastic film, at least anything, and such granules will cost much more than just gas. I have no doubt that the president agreed.
          True, doubts have overtaken me. Thermal explosions regularly occur in these places due to the erosion of underground ice layers containing gas, giant craters up to 100 meters in diameter are formed. Well, okay, the problem can be solved, they will find how to avoid it.
          And my imagination immediately drew an epic picture: since the president gave "Good!", Then hundreds of construction developers are already bending over virtual drawing boards, designing buildings and structures for the future giant of the state industry; Thousands of engineers are given technical assignments to work out the details; tens of chemists are straining, designing the technological process, and hundreds of geologists and surveyors are kneading the expanses of these geographical latitudes with suitable shoes, looking for a place for the future industrial giant ...

          Hmmm .... No matter how it is!
          In 2020, as you remember, the composition of the government was changed, and the energetic statesman Andrei Belousov was supposed to play the leading role in the new one. A quarrel started, who is in charge there. Meanwhile, the journalists besieging Gazprom over the new gas processing plant were vehemently dismissed, and they finally lagged behind discouragedly. And the intraspecific struggle in the government flared up, gaining momentum. The ministers began to divide into small groups in order to be friends against everyone in their composition, and the unsinkable Golikova entered one of the heaps, and Siluanov ran from one group to another, trying to join at least some one, but everyone kicked him, and even the question arose about his departure. Finally, by 2021, they figured out who was in charge there, established a table of ranks, and solemnly passed the announcement that there would be a meeting at the level of government members on the issue of where to build a gas processing plant, and maybe it would be better in Vladivostok or else where in the same region, well, it is necessary to lay pipes ...
          And I imagined how solid, polished guys in expensive suits, with precious watches costing a high-rise building, in unique shoes and branded ties, would be going to decide - no, not state issues, but according to the practice of their activities - who will roll back to whom and how much, dividing the state budget, and how to export the necessary things to non-Russian offshores ...

          Listen, it's been over a year! It seems to me that the Kremlin elders were more dynamic. And this is against the background of the fact that there is such a "Sibur", which this year is introducing a similar huge gas processing plant at its site in Tomsk. I wonder if the government even knows?
          1. VORON538
            VORON538 6 March 2021 18: 22
            +4
            The GPP is being built in the Amur Region, not far from Svobodny, EMNIP-Sibur.
            1. depressant
              depressant 6 March 2021 18: 59
              +10
              Dear colleague VORON538, at the end of my commentary, I wrote about this. My main message is the incredible slowness, the slowness of our government in making important government decisions, and the unacceptably low rates of new industrialization, if any, is scheduled for implementation. We live in a state of promises that have long ceased to inspire hope. No one is waiting for a wave of new jobs at industrial giants, factories and plants. People lost faith in the authorities - everything in a row, and the respected Author puts us on the shelves: these - here, and those - there, these are less dangerous, these are more. The authorities must finally wake up and mobilize themselves to fulfill their direct duties. Comatose people cannot lead the country. Ordinary citizens have woken up, and they are still sleeping. So you can sleep through the country. We should not be divided into right, left and in accordance with the colors of the rainbow. We must act as a united front with a simple and understandable requirement for everyone:
              Government, give new industrialization! Give me high-paying jobs!
              1. clerk
                clerk 6 March 2021 19: 57
                -8
                ... Government, give new industrialization! Give me high-paying jobs!
                And what is your (your father's, your husband's, your son's) working specialty and what is your qualification in this specialty? And that usually the most demanding new industrialization are those who are heavier than horseradish did not hold anything in their hands.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 6 March 2021 20: 06
                  +11
                  My profession according to the Soviet classification is 0631 (engineer-physicist, researcher). I have already fallen out of the working field. And I perfectly understand that my personal well-being is inextricably linked with the economic well-being of my country.
                  1. clerk
                    clerk 6 March 2021 20: 54
                    -6
                    ... I have already dropped out of the working field. And I perfectly understand that my personal well-being is inextricably linked with the economic well-being of my country.
                    Sorry for the personal question - if it's not a secret, what is your pension and what amount in Soviet late-standing rubles does it correspond to in your opinion?
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 20: 42
                  +5
                  Quote: clerk
                  And what is your (your father's, your husband's, your son's) working specialty and what is your qualification in this specialty? And that usually the most demanding new industrialization are those who are heavier than horseradish did not hold anything in their hands.

                  Dyks ... And when I asked you who pays for your utility bills, you never answered me. By the way, the heating bill came. 8,5 thousand. Per month.
                  1. clerk
                    clerk 6 March 2021 21: 25
                    -6
                    ... And when I asked you who pays for your utility bills, you never answered.
                    Of course. The answer to the stupid question implied the direction of a walking sex tour, and this is prohibited by the rules.
                    ... By the way, the heating bill came. 8,5 thousand. Per month.
                    EMNP do you have a standard three-ruble note in Tula or the Tula region? If 8,5 thousand, only for heating, then you either zvizdish, or do not say something, or your utilities or heat workers are godlessly stealing. And if so, then here is the case when you can and should download the rights.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 21: 42
                      +7
                      Quote: clerk
                      The answer to the stupid question meant the direction of a walking sex tour,

                      You asked me about a dozen of these, and I did not receive a single answer to my question. So fuck you ...
                      Do you pay for the apartment at all, or does your grandmother do it for you?
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 21: 52
                      +5
                      Quote: clerk
                      If 8,5 thousand, only for heating, then you either sound

                      Confused, 5,800 rubles for heating.
                      Quote: clerk
                      EMNP do you have a standard three-ruble note in Tula or the Tula region?

                      Name your shack, Stirlitz. Where do you live, how much do you pay ...?
                      1. clerk
                        clerk 6 March 2021 22: 00
                        +1
                        ... If 8,5 thousand, only for heating, then you either sound
                        //// Confused, 5,800 rubles for heating.
                        This is closer to the truth, but still about a quarter too much.
                        ... Name your shack, Stirlitz. Where do you live, how much do you pay ...?
                        ... I live 300 miles south of Tula, also in a Soviet three-ruble note, cry in winter approx. 7,5 for everything.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 22: 01
                        +3
                        Quote: clerk
                        This is closer to the truth, but still a bit too much.

                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Name your shack, Stirlitz. Where do you live, how much do you pay ...
                      3. clerk
                        clerk 6 March 2021 22: 09
                        -1
                        Are you interested in the city?
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 22: 27
                        0
                        Quote: clerk
                        Are you interested in the city?

                        Count it up, yes!
                      5. clerk
                        clerk 6 March 2021 22: 36
                        0
                        Wrote in PM
      2. VORON538
        VORON538 7 March 2021 07: 29
        +3
        Nevertheless, Omsk and Svobodny are geographically far enough away. You indicated the construction site in Omsk. The construction site is in Svobodny, and the pipe runs close by.
        1. depressant
          depressant 7 March 2021 08: 23
          +2
          About Free. This is a completely different project.
          "Chtoby gaz poctypil potpebitelyam gopoda (meaning - from the" Power of Siberia "), neobxodimo izgotovit do 2018 goda ppoekt-cxemy gazifikatsii mynitsipalnogo obpazovaniya, kotopaya vklyuchena will be played in pegionalnyyu ppogpammy gazifikatsii oblacti Πocle etogo will be played poctpoen gazoppovodootvod and filling can be nachinat ctpoit will be played. "Thread" to the objects of the city's infrastructure and transfer them to the gas.
      3. iouris
        iouris 7 March 2021 22: 29
        0
        Quote: depressant
        Government, give new industrialization!

        It is necessary to move to the sixth technological order, bypassing the fourth and fifth.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 6 March 2021 20: 13
    -6
    What project of the gas processing plant in Vladivostok are you talking about?
    1. depressant
      depressant 6 March 2021 20: 37
      +7
      Vadim, you can see how this project was overwritten - so that no one knows anything. And I meticulously followed his deviations. In the comments above, I described the adventures of this project. You better tell me how you are doing with the cow farm. I remember everything! ))))
  • Nestor Vlakhovski
    Nestor Vlakhovski 6 March 2021 16: 23
    .
    The fight against corruption is a Western-imposed stereotype.
    The bourgeoisie decay among migrants with homosexuals and rot from lack of spirituality, but Russia has its own way. Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 6 March 2021 17: 03
      +14
      Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
      Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality.

      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 17: 52
        +7
        Quote: Karabin
        Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality.


        This, yes ...
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 6 March 2021 18: 13
      +6
      Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
      Russia has its own way. Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality.

      the people here are clearly superfluous ...
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 17: 12
    +11
    Quote: Sahalinets
    True patriots are those who plunder the Vostochny cosmodrome, buy up villas in Italy and take money from the cuts to offshore companies!

    He took money and cried, cried and took ...
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 6 March 2021 18: 17
      +9
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      He took money and cried, cried and took ...

    2. Avior
      Avior 6 March 2021 23: 42
      +4
      tradition with roots

      smile
  • clerk
    clerk 6 March 2021 20: 01
    .
    ... Well, it's clear! True patriots are those who plunder the Vostochny cosmodrome, buy up villas in Italy and take money from the cuts to offshore companies!
    In any case, not those who simply yell "Down with Putin" at the request of their bosses who have been pushed back from the trough. laughing
  • paul3390
    paul3390 6 March 2021 15: 20
    +26
    There is nothing of this in Russia now: both the economic and social situations, although not brilliant, are not bad. Power is influential in the country and in the world.

    Well, yes - 20 million frankly beggars, even according to Rosstat, and 60 million at least on the doorstep ... This is certainly a very good social situation. When every month the prices for everything break through the ceiling, starting with tariffs and ending with grub. When the native guarantor sincerely believes that everyone who receives above 17000 is really the middle class. When all the social gains of the USSR are only cut down every year. When people are flattered only for expressing dissatisfaction with the regime. When only a lazy person does not wipe his feet about this power in the world. Frankly spitting on any reciprocal flutters. When the whole country is flooded with migrants and guest workers. When the upper classes steal so that the country's income is no longer enough. When the covid very clearly showed what Putin's type of optimization brought medicine to .. And so on, and so on .. You can continue indefinitely ..

    And the truth is - in such a scenario, what the hell is the revolutionary situation in the country? Continuous benevolence and prosperity .. Thank you great Putin for our happy childhood. After all, it passed without it even under Soviet rule ..
    1. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 6 March 2021 15: 31
      +20
      Well Duc we all get up and get up from our knees for 21 years under the wise leadership. And there is no time for buildup!
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 6 March 2021 15: 38
        +20
        It is enough to remember everything that the GDP promised us. How is the doubling of the GDP? He himself has doubled and even "zeroed", but the gross national product still does not want to double
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 6 March 2021 16: 49
          +11
          Quote: Cympak
          It is enough to remember everything that the GDP promised us. How is the doubling of the GDP? He himself has doubled and even "zeroed", but the gross national product still does not want to double

          A true patriot should not notice such trifles.
          1. D16
            D16 6 March 2021 17: 47
            -4
            A true patriot should not notice such trifles.

            Not. He understands that one should rejoice not in the amount of money received as a salary, but in the fact that of it will remain for life after paying taxes, utilities, etc. The country's GDP is generally no sideways here. And there is no point in especially caring for him.
          2. Snail N9
            Snail N9 6 March 2021 19: 37
            +9
            The current Russian "patriotism" is all about this photo:
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 6 March 2021 16: 53
          +13
          but the gross national product still does not want to double
          The ruble is at the bottom, prices are at the top for everything. Here, pensions and salaries of the general population have increased. The first by a dollar, the second by two. And the purchasing power has decreased. The economy is moving forward by leaps and bounds. The rich, getting richer, the poor getting poorer. The liberals, foreign agents and others. Sweep, sweep, but they cannot sweep. laughing There are more and more of them.
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 March 2021 20: 25
          .
          How is the doubling of the GDP? "Doubled" - increased at least 6 times, taking into account all the crises of inflation and collapses of the ruble - 2000 GDP - 7 trillion rubles 3 -2020 trillion rubles - at the current dollar rate - $ 108 billion then and the current $ 278 billion - so that whatever one may say but the promise is fulfilled.
    2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 6 March 2021 16: 06
      .
      Well, yes - 20 million frankly beggars, even according to Rosstat
      In 1999 there were 30% of the population, now 15%.
      60 million at least on the doorstep ..

      Nonsense is complete!
      1. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 6 March 2021 16: 08
        +23
        15-20 pieces are real salaries in the regions. Do not deny yourself anything! laughing
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 6 March 2021 16: 50
          +8
          Quote: Sahalinets
          15-20 pieces are real salaries in the regions. Do not deny yourself anything! laughing

          For a true patriot, salary does not matter, for him the main thing is that it does not fall among top managers.
    3. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 6 March 2021 19: 09
      +4
      We really do not have a revolutionary situation. A revolution occurs when the youth in the country makes up 30% or more of the population (in those regions of the country where there is such a ratio, excitement is possible) ... There are few young people and half of them are computer hamsters ... The older generation understands perfectly well that any serious "restructuring" - this is a mess for another 20 years ... And it is not known whether the people will live better from this "perestroika" ... But this does not mean that nothing needs to be changed!
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 March 2021 20: 16
      .
      "And at least 60 million are on the doorstep ..." This is already an invention of such a number, even in 2000, and poverty was evident then at every step - now this is not observed.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 20: 49
        +7
        Quote: Vadim237
        even in 2000 it was not and poverty was evident then at every step - now this is not observed.

        Vadik, in 2000 you were ten years old. What did you observe there? I was walking home today, two of them were poking around in the trash cans. Norm?
  • New Year day
    New Year day 6 March 2021 15: 25
    +16
    both their tasks and goals coincide - the fight against the Russian government, the state, Russia and the Russian people.

    Brad!

    Who, then, in the author's classification, is the respected academician Alferov, without any doubt, the patriot of the country?
    The author, apparently from this galaxy
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 15: 37
      .
      Or maybe you know the difference between the concepts of "State" and "Fatherland" ???
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 6 March 2021 15: 50
        +14
        Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
        "State"

        State - political form organization of a society in a certain territory, a political-territorial sovereign organization of public authority, possessing apparatus of command and coercion, which obeys the entire population of the country.
        Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
        "Fatherland"

        Fatherland, fatherland is a native country.
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 15: 55
          .
          Fatherland, state and country are synonyms. The separation of these concepts was invented by the enemies.
          1. Gato
            Gato 6 March 2021 16: 13
            +6
            Yes? And if the borders of the fatherland do not coincide with the borders of the state (up or down)?
            1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
              Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 16: 15
              .
              Another one started writing nonsense.
              1. Gato
                Gato 6 March 2021 16: 16
                +9
                Most importantly, don't stop.
                1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                  Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 16: 19
                  .
                  Yes, you are an obvious agent of the State Department who is engaged in subversive activities.
                  1. Gato
                    Gato 6 March 2021 16: 24
                    +13
                    Yes, you are an obvious agent of the State Department who is engaged in subversive activities.

                    laughing laughing
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 6 March 2021 16: 36
            +5
            Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Fatherland, state and country are synonyms. The separation of these concepts was invented by the enemies.

            you have synonyms. Fatherland is a broader concept than the state. There was a state of the Russian Empire. It disappeared, but Russia, the Fatherland remained. Is that clearer?
            1. Gato
              Gato 7 March 2021 02: 04
              +3
              Fatherland is a broader concept

              I would say that this concept is also very subjective, in the general case, the territory where people with similar mentality live. For example, for a Novgorodian of the XNUMXth century, this is the Novgorod land, but not Ryazan or Tver, for me personally - the USSR from Moscow to the most to the Ukraine, for someone the fatherland is limited to the Moscow Ring Road, but for someone the fatherland is there, where's the money.
          3. Overlock
            Overlock 6 March 2021 17: 44
            +22
            Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
            The separation of these concepts was invented by the enemies

          4. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 17: 56
            +10
            Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Fatherland, state and country are synonymous.

            Yes, hell in your hat ...
            Fatherland and country are synonyms.
            The state is a political form of organization of society, and it becomes a synonym for the Fatherland under the people's power, and not under the “necessary officials” (out-of-pocket officials) appointed from above.
    2. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 6 March 2021 16: 20
      -3
      Once the academician began to push the thought, then he would have brought it to the end.
      Why do we need a state at all, if a person himself can cope much more efficiently with spending his equal money, which is usually taken away from him in the common fund ...
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 6 March 2021 16: 36
      +18
      Quote: Silvestr
      Who, then, in the author's classification, respected academician Alferov

      According to Mashkov, Academician Alferov can be classified as a "leftist" (the quote you quoted is an eloquent confirmation of this), as well as an agent of foreign origin, since received from the West a one-time bribe, carefully camouflaged under the Nobel Prize. wink
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      2. Vladimir Mashkov
        6 March 2021 17: 58
        .
        Quote: Karabin
        Quote: Silvestr
        Who, then, in the author's classification, respected academician Alferov

        According to Mashkov, Academician Alferov can be classified as a "leftist" (the quote you quoted is an eloquent confirmation of this), as well as an agent of foreign origin, since received from the West a one-time bribe, carefully camouflaged under the Nobel Prize. wink

        Funny idea! At the same time, they attributed their thoughts to me. Do not stop! laughing
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 6 March 2021 16: 52
      +12
      Who, then, in the author's classification, is the respected academician Alferov, without any doubt, the patriot of the country?

      Of course not .. he is a "leftist" .. and the true patriots have Nobel laureates? Is there at least one in modern Russia for 30 years?
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 6 March 2021 17: 06
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        Do true patriots have Nobel laureates?

        They have money and real estate abroad. Why do they need bonuses? They write them out for themselves
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 6 March 2021 17: 14
          +4
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Svarog
          Do true patriots have Nobel laureates?

          They have money and real estate abroad. Why do they need bonuses? They write them out for themselves

          A true patriot, Mashkov's opinion, should treat this fact with understanding and not rock the boat.
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 6 March 2021 15: 35
    +25
    The message of the article is this: everything in the country is fine, patriots are in power, they are trying for the people. Anyone who disagrees - get out.
    1. vl903
      vl903 6 March 2021 15: 39
      +2
      There are no opposition and patriots, they were cleaned up long ago. They interfered with their affairs. Most of them are simply afraid that the next one will be even worse.
      1. D16
        D16 6 March 2021 17: 52
        -2
        there are no opposition and patriots, they were cleared out long ago

        Whom have they cleaned out?
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 17: 59
        +2
        Quote: vl903
        most are simply afraid that the next one will be even worse.

        A large number of people do not want to go through either a criminal redistribution like the 90s, or a bloody massacre for the return of what was stolen.
    2. Cympak
      Cympak 6 March 2021 15: 39
      +5
      He thinks that EdroSy will give him some money, but he's just trying in vain, all the feeders are already occupied
      1. 7,62x54
        7,62x54 6 March 2021 20: 45
        -7
        Yes, you can't push through to the trough. Is that between the legs squeeze.
    3. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 15: 41
      .
      And I read that we have problems with entrenched enemies, which are also in the power of the country.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 6 March 2021 15: 55
        +11
        Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
        that we have problems with entrenched enemies, which are also in the power of the country

        The worse the economy is, the more enemies, Polovtsy and Pechenegs will be. After all, we are one family!
        laughing
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 16: 00
          .
          How many templates can be used from the same training manual.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 6 March 2021 16: 29
            +4
            Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
            How many templates can be used from the same training manual.

            Are we not one family? laughing
            1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
              Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 16: 36
              .
              That the sleeping agent of the State Department woke up ??? sad
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 6 March 2021 16: 38
              .
              Quote: Silvestr
              Are we not one family?

              Do you want to say that in the USSR the janitor was equal to a member of the Central Committee of the CPSU?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 19: 07
                +11
                Quote: Dart2027
                Do you want to say that in the USSR the janitor was equal to a member of the Central Committee of the CPSU?

                No, not equal. For there was also a party ladder. But it was much easier for the janitor to get into the deputies than the turner Shkandybin under capitalism, who spoke of the cost of a deputy’s chair in millions of dollars, and then somehow quickly died.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 6 March 2021 19: 15
                  .
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  No, not equal. For there was also a party ladder.

                  Already good.
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  But the janitor was much easier to get into the deputies

                  You know, some are still making their way ... Having worked well with their elbows. No one ever presents power on a silver platter, and the USSR was no exception.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 19: 24
                    +7
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    You know, some are still making their way ... Having worked well with their elbows.

                    Yeah, walking over the heads of others, or ... just buying a mandate.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    No one ever presents power on a silver platter

                    Of course not. But I don't understand those people who are striving for power, like a half-dead worm to an asphalt puddle. Precisely because of the fact that they would have power, and they do not care what efficiency there will be.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 6 March 2021 19: 27
                      .
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      or ... just by buying a mandate

                      Do you think there are few people willing to buy it?
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      But I don't understand those people who are striving for power.

                      Is there another humanity?
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 19: 40
                        +10
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Is there another humanity?

                        But in the USSR it was just that. All gorlopanov from working collectives were floated to the district committee, so that they would not interfere with work, instead of being hung on a lamppost for personal belongings.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Do you think there are few people willing to buy it?

                        Many. And the more privileges the deputies and others like them have, the more buyers there will be.
                        I wanted to write something here from memory, about Kirkorov, for example, and the State Duma, but this is not on the Internet, so I can not prove anything.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 6 March 2021 22: 14
                        -6
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        But in the USSR it was just that.

                        Then we would be living under communism (seriously).
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        And the more privileges the deputies and others like them have, the more buyers there will be.

                        Then someone else will have the privilege.
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 22: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Then we would be living under communism (seriously).

                        Do you know what's the matter? The USSR took care of its own people. We were given an apartment for 80 square meters, but that's not the point. The fact is that not far from our house they cut a hole, they thought to put the foundation under a house for the blind ..
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 23: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        thought to put the foundation under a house for the blind ..

                        This is in the sense that they are going to build a nine-story building.
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 23: 17
                        0
                        I'm waiting for arguments.
                      6. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 7 March 2021 06: 20
                        -3
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Do you know what's the matter? The USSR took care of its own people.

                        I found the USSR, so don't. There was everything.
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 23: 02
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Then someone else will have the privilege.

                      Have you ever seen that a communist would give up a kopeck piece? But I know such a person ...
                    3. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 7 March 2021 06: 17
                      -3
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      You've never seen a communist give up

                      There have always been separate people of this type. But, alas, exceptions only confirm the rule.
  • for
    for 6 March 2021 17: 32
    +1
    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
    How many templates can be used from the same training manual.

    That the sleeping agent of the State Department woke up ??? sad
  • bk0010
    bk0010 7 March 2021 00: 21
    -1
    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
    How many templates can be used from the same training manual.
    Templates can be used as long as they remain relevant. Do you have this training manual? Give a link to it.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 March 2021 16: 04
    .
    You have complaints about his big yacht, or the fact that he got rich, in your opinion. And the yacht is really beautiful, came to us for the World Cup. He is also a patron, if anything, and a good employer.
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 16: 32
      .
      They have no complaints about how Americans Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg got rich, but how Alisher Usmanov succeeded.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 6 March 2021 17: 11
        +3
        Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
        How Americans Get Rich Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Mark

        You are an American?
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 6 March 2021 17: 13
          .
          Are you a populist?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 6 March 2021 18: 34
            0
            Quote: Cowbra
            Are you a populist?

            realist! Saving your asses
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 6 March 2021 18: 53
              .
              Look for yours.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 6 March 2021 22: 34
                +2
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Look for yours.

                are you looking at your butt? laughing Do you like it?
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 6 March 2021 22: 56
                  -8
                  Men don’t attract me, but women’s yes. And I’m looking at you with this problem.
            2. Cowbra
              Cowbra 6 March 2021 21: 21
              .
              Fat and lard of the nation. Local savior on the waters, Nikola Merlekiisky. Halo is not tight? winked
              I was thinking everything. who to thank for the sun shining wassat
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 6 March 2021 22: 36
                +5
                Quote: Cowbra
                Local savior on the waters, Nikola Merlekiisky. Halo is not tight?

                Doesn't press! You will operate on everything and everyone for 40 years, then you will understand that doctors
                Quote: Cowbra
                thank the sun for shining

                You strive to grab everything for free, it's nothing, your power will make money on your health later. It will not be forever healthy and then you will fall into our clutches laughing
        2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 17: 15
          .
          I did not vote for Putin in the elections, but I hate Navalny's supporters like you.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 6 March 2021 18: 35
            +3
            Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
            But I hate Navalny's supporters like you.

            point this place! Usually, after such a request, the opponent quietly merges. You are no exception. Waiting for
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 6 March 2021 17: 48
        +30
        Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
        They have no complaints about how Americans Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg got rich, but how Alisher Usmanov succeeded.

        In your opinion, a state is being built in Russia on the model and likeness of America. So why are you cursing America, your mother? She helps you build and live! And who is then a patriot!
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 17: 49
          .
          Why do we need to build a second America ??? We must cost our Russia !!!!
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 6 March 2021 18: 23
            +6
            Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Why do we need to build a second America ??? We must cost our Russia !!!!

            so don't use America as an example!
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 18: 06
        +12
        Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
        They have no complaints about how Americans Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg got rich, but how Alisher Usmanov succeeded.

        These Americans have created a product (commodity) with high consumer demand. What is it that is in demand in Russia (at least) created by Usmanov?
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 18: 09
          .
          Lucky. Sometimes you just need to be in the right place at the right time.
      4. Hypertension
        Hypertension 6 March 2021 18: 39
        +10
        Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
        They have no complaints about how Americans Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg got rich, but how Alisher Usmanov succeeded.

        The person sitting in Windows asked ... What did Usmanov give to the world or to the country?
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 March 2021 16: 34
      +14
      Quote: tralflot1832
      You have complaints about his big yacht, or the fact that he got rich, in your opinion, out of the blue.

      Strange, a person who had a criminal record "for fraud and theft of socialist property" overnight, through honest labor, became the richest man in the country! This is what a prison does to a man
      Don't just talk about the intrigues of the communists towards the workers of the "market"
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 6 March 2021 16: 44
        .
        Some benefit, especially if he is the son of an Uzbek prosecutor.
      2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 16: 48
        .
        The Usmanov case is one of the internal conflicts in the leadership of the Uzbek SSR, which was directed against the high-ranking parents of the "Golden Youth".
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 6 March 2021 17: 12
          +3
          Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
          this is one of the internal conflicts in the leadership of the Uzbek SSR

          no internal conflicts during theft of socialist property
          1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2021 17: 27
            .
            Stop foisting your lies on me.
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 6 March 2021 17: 24
          .
          A woman like Winner would not have waited for his zone if he were not human.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 6 March 2021 17: 48
            +21
            Quote: tralflot1832
            A woman like Winner would not have waited for his zone if he were not human.

            Love is blind, you will love and ...
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 19: 56
            +6
            Quote: tralflot1832
            A woman like Winner would not have waited for his zone if he were not human.

            You haven't kissed her skates yet, by any chance?
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 6 March 2021 20: 10
              -9
              So she's not a skater, and I have someone to kiss. Yes, Winner has someone who will kiss her past Alisher. Even Alina Kabaeva is so off-guard.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 20: 14
                +5
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Yes, Winner is who will kiss her past Alisher. Even Alina Kabaeva is so off-guard.

                Well, sit there and don't rock the boat. And then for one offer to kiss the gymnasts, they will be locked up in jail. And our fate is Klava from the dining room number five.
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 6 March 2021 20: 19
                  -7
                  Duc Klava in his youth, what are there, you can not resist.
                2. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 6 March 2021 20: 52
                  -2
                  Quote: tralflot1832
                  Duc Klava in his youth, what are there, you can not resist.

                  Especially if this Klava is a barmaid or a cleaning lady on a ship where there are more than 100 men.
                3. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 6 March 2021 21: 10
                  .
                  There was also a "grenadier battalion" and were sailors with honors diplomas to enter MGIMO out of competition. And in the icebreaker fleet on the Northern Sea Route, a little girl as an executive officer on the Yamal, started a day job on the "Northern Sea Route". Now the captain is offered on a new building. Each master of his own destiny.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 21: 12
                +5
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Duc Klava in his youth, what are there, you can not resist.

                Yeah ... So everything was fine with you under the USSR ... And everything was fine under Putin?
              3. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 6 March 2021 21: 20
                -7
                It will be surprising for you but it is so.
              4. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 21: 24
                +6
                Quote: tralflot1832
                It will be surprising for you but it is so.
                d for p
                Do you even understand that you don't produce a damn thing? What are you doing? Are you making ice for Putin and Luka? What's the use of you?
              5. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 6 March 2021 21: 31
                .
                I am mastering budget money. I’ve already done it when I went to sea, the productivity is from 50 to 100 thousand $ per year. Enough, it's time to work for your own pleasure.
              6. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 22: 17
                +4
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Mastering budget money.

                Sorry, but these are the ones I would have thrown off the first thing, who are sitting on our neck.
                Quote: tralflot1832
                it's time to work for your own pleasure.

                It's good to climb the bell tower and not see what little people are doing there.
                Have you ever been to the bottom? When the wife leaves the fact that the husband is given 4 thousand pensions, when he earned for this very wife ...
              7. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 6 March 2021 22: 29
                -8
                The bottom was 1992. And have you ever received letters of happiness from 150 to 220 thousand a year, And I didn’t get it. This is how much the employer paid to the pension fund for me.
              8. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 22: 45
                +4
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Have you ever received letters of happiness from 150 to 220 thousand a year,

                1993 year. September. I receive a salary with a bonus. Two hundred and five thousand. My friend's dad buys a seven for 200 thousand, five years ago, I sing 15 people until I drop ...
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 6 March 2021 17: 16
    -6
    And who chose the capitalist system? And the first stage of capitalism is the initial accumulation of capital. He is "wild capitalism", he is "nouveau riche", the word is never Russian, and so it was always and everywhere. It's just that when they voted for capitalism, no one realized that they would have to go through all its stages - everything is logical, everything is as they chose.
    You can now choose communism, just do not forget the stage of civil war and devastation - for you will have to divide up private property, and no one will give it up just like that
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 19: 16
      +8
      Quote: Cowbra
      And who chose the capitalist system?

      These are d.i.l.s. as you, as you wrote yourself, and chose it.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 March 2021 20: 58
      -5
      Quote: Cowbra
      It's just that when they voted for capitalism, no one realized that they would have to go through all its stages - everything is logical, everything is as they chose.

      The conclusion is simple, the people want to live under capitalism with a "good tsar" and with communist benefits. Well, without the rich, the poor and the thieves. I wonder where the "those" who fought for capitalism have gone. And where did those who were for socialism come from, but were modestly silent when "those" seized power.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 6 March 2021 22: 43
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The conclusion is simple, the people want to live under capitalism with a "good tsar" and with communist benefits.

        The people want fairness and honesty. Russian Federation in Art. 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation is proclaimed a social state, the policy of which is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.
        Where is this welfare state? Pensions of 8-11 thousand, collecting money for the treatment of children via SMS, ditched healthcare (even VA VVP admitted it)? Is it a whim or non-fulfillment of social guarantees by the state?
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Well, without the rich, the poor and the thieves. I wonder where the "those" who fought for capitalism have gone

        You shouldn't be silly, don't paint
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 6 March 2021 23: 42
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          Russian Federation in Art. 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation proclaimed a social state

          Sorry, but I do not understand the intricacies of the Russian constitution, but explain how to understand the "welfare state". I understood Soviet things, different democratic ones, and even without anything, but a "republic". What is the system now according to the Constitution in Russia.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 7 March 2021 19: 17
            +21
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Sorry, but I do not understand the intricacies of the Russian constitution, but explain how to understand the "welfare state".

            Read: Constitution of the Russian Federation with comments
            http://constrf.ru/
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 7 March 2021 21: 47
              0
              Quote: Overlock
              Read: Constitution of the Russian Federation with comments
              http://constrf.ru/

              Tried it, but still misunderstood.
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 7 March 2021 00: 25
      -1
      Quote: Cowbra
      And the first stage of capitalism is the initial accumulation of capital.
      This is not an excuse not to punish the "accumulators" for their crimes.
  • vl903
    vl903 6 March 2021 17: 14
    +1
    just tell someone else about the employer
  • Hypertension
    Hypertension 6 March 2021 18: 38
    +11
    Quote: tralflot1832
    You have complaints about his big yacht, or the fact that he got rich, in your opinion, out of the blue.

    Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev approved a list of ten groups of goods that will be subject to mandatory labeling in Russia from 2019. The system will be operated by the Center for the Development of Advanced Technologies, owned by the structures of Alisher Usmanov, Rostec and venture investor Alexander Galitsky.

    This is how all sorts of Usmanovs get rich out of the blue.
    When you go to the store, take a little more money with you, you have to pay for the labeling, you know.
    But you are a patriot! What is money for you when you can stare at the yacht?
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 6 March 2021 19: 51
      .
      I just take the money and go to the store. I take the money in the nightstand, in which I put money 5 times a month. There would be health, it is possible and necessary to earn money under capitalism.
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 6 March 2021 18: 50
    +19
    Quote: tralflot1832
    You have complaints about his big yacht, or the fact that he got rich, in your opinion. And the yacht is really beautiful, came to us for the World Cup. He is also a patron, if anything, and a good employer.

    Some people think they have gone upstairs, but in fact they surfaced there!
    Shl. In a short time, these yachts will sail the pioneers and orphanages around the Mediterranean with enhanced meals, and we will allocate a room in a communal apartment to the pensioner, the former president and his sidekick from Tashkent, and a pension equal to the subsistence minimum in our region of 9100 rubles.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 6 March 2021 19: 53
      .
      Not in this life, your dream will materialize. Sori!
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 6 March 2021 22: 44
        -1
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Not in this life, your dream will materialize. Sori!

        It is not given to us to predict!
        Never say never!
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    2. andrew42
      andrew42 11 March 2021 15: 57
      0
      And it will be fair!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 18: 02
    +8
    Quote: Silvestr
    After all, we are one family!

    - I heard, Petrovich, how the president said that Russia is one big family?
    - That is, now Usmanov is a relative and will give us a ride on his yacht?
    - Of course! As soon as we put our clamp on it ...
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 6 March 2021 15: 57
    +22
    The donkey of the article is: everything in the country is fine, patriots are in power, they are trying for the people. Anyone who disagrees - get out.
    Pay taxes and live in peace
    But every ruble is like a dead man
    With this money, people from above
    We - everyone else - is turned into dandruff
    They carry out vague reforms
    Change the name and uniform to the traffic cops
    They throw old people through one place
    Every day, checking what kind of test we are!
    It's like a democracy, in fact a kingdom
    I love my country so much ... and I hate the state! (C)
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 6 March 2021 17: 11
      -8
      Lumen, by the way, they f ... ren sent bulk when they were invited to speak at their Sabbath, a great illustration TO MY point of view, congratulations
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  • Vladimir Mashkov
    6 March 2021 16: 11
    .
    Quote: 7,62x54
    The message of the article is this: everything in the country is fine, patriots are in power, they are trying for the people. Anyone who disagrees - get out.

    You either did not understand anything, or you pretend that you did not understand. I suppose - the second.
    1. depressant
      depressant 6 March 2021 18: 32
      +13
      Well, let us, Mr. Mashkov, go over your classification. Characterizing the living, it is incomplete.
      Who do you think is Gorbachev?
      In my opinion, a traitor to his country, purposefully and steadily surrendering all its achievements and conquests and finally surrendering all of them, which led to its collapse. And I think many of those present will agree with me. And now, from time to time cheering "approvals" to our worthless ruling class, they say, you are going the right way, comrades, it continues its destructive activity in relation to Russia.
      So who is he?
      It turns out not a traitor! You will have to add the definition of "EUROCOMMUNIST" to the "leftist" option - such a harmless and naive definition of the activities of people like Gorbachev, which is gradually being introduced into our brains. Why didn't you add? After all, we also have Eurocommunists in the State Duma.
      So, I explain.
      Eurocommunism is a rejection of the communist idea, accompanied by the transformation of the Communist Party into a reformist one, the goal of which is to improve capitalism without undermining its ideological basis, that is, profit in any way, and if not a thief is caught.
      And now the vile traitor is turning into a respectable Eurocommunist. And they kept talking to us "Convergence! Convergence!", And you will rip off the mask from that convergence, behind it - betrayal, now respectably called "Eurocommunism".
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        6 March 2021 21: 19
        -8
        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I completely agree with you that the Tagged One is a traitor. And Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais and many others - too. And the Great October Socialist Revolution, Lenin, Stalin, their comrades-in-arms, the USSR (I lived most of my life in it) - well. And I don’t like the fact that Putin has a positive attitude towards Kolchak, Solzhenitsin, Yeltsin and Gorbachev. But Putin (like Lenin and Stalin) is a man. And, just like them, it has, along with the positive, and negative features. Again, as much as we would like, Russia is now a capitalist country. And no changes are expected in the near future. And no matter what state there is in Russia, it is our Motherland. You need to live in the interests of the Motherland and try to make it better. True, a cavalry charge now nothing Will not work.
        1. depressant
          depressant 6 March 2021 22: 05
          +4
          I can only agree with you, dear Author. Our country is in a very fragile position, we need the consolidation of all progressive forces that wish it well on some common platform. Otherwise, we will all quarrel among ourselves, focusing on criticism of unscrupulous recipients of benefits from the state. For example, I am ready to consolidate with those who require special attention to the development of the farming movement, cooperation of agricultural producers within the framework of this movement; with those who persistently demand the development of industrial production based on the use of their own unique patent developments; well, and so on. We need a big conversation on this topic and more than one. After all, much that has managed to form in our country hinders the people's entrepreneurial initiative, kills it. A country like ours should not be represented only by traders of someone else's goods, manufacturers of foreign products, fraudulent speculators in the financial sector and mining companies.
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            6 March 2021 22: 12
            .
            Yes, you just need not get carried away with conversations, but strive, to strive to was done.
            1. depressant
              depressant 6 March 2021 22: 17
              +5
              Are you leading to the idea that some new party is needed? Unfortunately, it turned out that the most convincing one we have now is the party of the police baton.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 6 March 2021 18: 57
    +9
    The message of the article is as follows:


    Yes. I sincerely hope the author was well paid for the article. I can understand this - a person needs to feed his family. Otherwise, it smells of long definitions written in Latin ... laughing
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 20: 26
      +5
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Yes. I sincerely hope the author was well paid for the article.

      Oh no. The author is sincere, in my opinion. Only here is the trouble, he sees a cut of society, and everything is fine with him. But he doesn't want to look from all sides.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 6 March 2021 22: 46
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        The author is sincere, in my opinion.

        Quite right !. BUT!
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        he sees a slice of society

        from Kharkov skvoy the prism of Ukraine and thinks that everything in Russia is bad. This is a typical misconception of all overseas.
    2. Vladimir Mashkov
      6 March 2021 22: 16
      .
      I would not mind getting money. Tell me where and with whom. And the fact that you DO NOT understand how you can write NOT for money means that you are NOT a patriot. Patriotism for money is NOT patriotism. It is called differently. laughing laughing laughing
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 6 March 2021 20: 28
    -9
    You can not count on the next authorities to be honest.
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  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 6 March 2021 15: 40
    .
    There is a simpler criterion. Asking this pack - you are dissatisfied with the current government. What do you suggest to DO. That's all, this is where the conversation ends. They cannot DO anything - in principle, they cannot offer any solution. "Rogozin is a bastard!" Well, you bastard. Let's put you in his place, what do you suggest? All. They ran out of ideas.
    The author shouldn't write so softly about them. everything is easier and sadder for them. This is not any opposition. This is a sect in which, as in any sect, there are only D.E.B.I.I. and a couple of chief executives who are guarding the cashier. In any sect, people are always selected without critical thinking, that is, they must be used for their own purposes, and with their help one must earn money for oneself. Therefore, their slogans and methods are deliberately stupid - they are recruiting the target audience in this way. Why would a pink man who asks - "And why suddenly Grudinin is a communist, if instead of the land-peasants he stole the land from the collective farm?" Or "how did the poison get on the bottle from cowards?"
    That's all. "Opposition", "political force" ... Forget it. Sect and D.E.B.I.L. Once again, this is not an insult, but a diagnosis, real
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      1. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 6 March 2021 16: 45
        +3
        Quote: Cowbra
        By the way, look at the reaction - there are minuses, no objections. And why? Yes, because d.d.i.i.l. laughing

        My friend-explain-why are they so afraid of cons? The appetite disappears and the mood, perhaps ..... Or that "local" stars do not go with the minuses on shoulder straps ...... hi
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 6 March 2021 18: 09
          +1
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          My friend-explain-why are they so afraid of cons?

          Minus it always shows that there are always those who disagree. Usually they are put by people who are angry at some position that is not similar to others. So this is a very useful factor in the exchange of views.
        2. andrew42
          andrew42 11 March 2021 15: 53
          0
          The main reason for dissatisfaction with the minuses is the desire to remain unpunished. "So that everything was possible for me, and there was nothing for it." This is a secondary life principle that follows from the primary one: "The prevalence of personal interests over public ones." There is also a directly opposite position. In fact, this is how the VO audience shares, and our Russian society in general.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 6 March 2021 17: 15
        +3
        Quote: Cowbra
        By the way, look at the reaction - there are minuses, no objections. And why? Yes, because d.d.i.i.l.

        of course yes! You were trained by the Soviet government (the Reds), you were educated, you became a hare, but on February 23 you honor the Red Army and its founder, Soviet power, and you have nothing for it! What is the name of such a person?
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 6 March 2021 17: 19
          .
          Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Who does not see the connection between the day of the Soviet army, which has long become the day of the defender of the Fatherland, and the system that collapsed 30 years ago. Especially since the army was not a political force. And he also does not see any objections to the topic from one populist, who, as usual, has nothing to say about the topic.
          I repeat - such "transfers of arrows" they work only in a sect. To object to me - you have NOTHING.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 18: 25
            +7
            Quote: Cowbra
            Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Who does not see the connection between the day of the Soviet army, which has long become the day of the defender of the Fatherland, and the system that collapsed 30 years ago.

            First: February 23 - Day of the Soviet Army and Navy!
            Try to insert words and punctuation marks into the sentence so that it is clear to us that for your "Homo Sapiens Sapiens" there is no difference between the Day of the Soviet Army and the Navy and the Day of the Defender of the Fatherland, St. Valentine's Day and St. Tryphon's Day.
            If you passed the 90s in adulthood, you should know that the betrayal in the upper echelons of power under the application of real threats to possible opponents is called a criminal revolution and the collapse of the socialist system.
            Why did this happen? Because the Soviet people could not adapt to the concepts of thieves. It is with this feeling that they come back from vacation to a robbed apartment.
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 6 March 2021 18: 34
              .
              And you do not think that it is a "consummated betrayal". With the collapse - is this already the nonviability of that system? And it happened much earlier - I don’t remember. so that even the Yeltsinoids plundered the Diamond Fund, but I remember the daughter of the communist Brezhnev, who himself was a match for her with her Arabian horses Kremlin garages and battering rams of houses on Mercedes, as well as royal hunts, well, the whole army did not lag behind - new feudal lords. The 90s are already like this, the last dive.
              However, this is all off topic again.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 20: 10
                +5
                Quote: Cowbra
                even the Yeltsinoids plundered the Diamond Fund

                Can you ask sapiens? Why did Putin forgive the debts of one of the fraternal republics in exchange for claims against the diamond fund?
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 6 March 2021 18: 43
            +3
            Quote: Cowbra
            Especially since the army was not a political force.

            So you're out of the tank!
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 6 March 2021 18: 52
              -7
              From a tractor, and in addition you are lying, in the photo - not the Soviet army, also breaking the oath
              I swear to sacredly observe the Constitution of the Russian Federation

              Military actions directed against the citizens of the Russian Federation, and even during the ANTI-constitutional coup - the president, according to the constitution, did not have the right to disperse the parliament, but then the president’s parliament could turn a kick. However, you again TRANSLATE THE ARROWS, FOR THERE IS NOTHING TO TELL YOU ON THE TOPIC.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 6 March 2021 20: 17
                +21
                Quote: Cowbra
                TRANSLATE THE ARROWS, FOR THERE IS NOTHING TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT.

                you have been answered your statement, and your translation is an arrow
                Quote: Cowbra
                in the photo - not the Soviet army, also breaking the oath

                ..not relevant! Soviet officers who joined the Russian army were not forced to take a new oath, and, nevertheless, they perfectly shot their people.
                Quote: Cowbra
                According to the constitution, the president did not have the right to dissolve the parliament, but the president’s parliament then could turn a kick.

                These "squiggles" are for suckers! You can tell them the mothers of the killed civilians about the authorities of the EBN. And if you supported him, then you are an accomplice in the crime.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 March 2021 20: 47
              .
              GKChP or something - the saviors and preservers of the Soviet country, among these saviors was a figure who, by his actions, added fuel to the fire in the process of the collapse of the USSR, not less than what Gorbachev added.
            3. iouris
              iouris 7 March 2021 22: 31
              -1
              And whose army is this?
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 6 March 2021 20: 07
            -1
            Quote: Cowbra
            on the topic there is nothing to say.
            I repeat - such "transfers of arrows" they work only in a sect. To object to me - you have NOTHING.

            The pepper is clear that there is nothing. For a monkey to object is a useless exercise.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 March 2021 16: 00
      +10
      Quote: Cowbra
      Asking this pack - you are dissatisfied with the current government. What do you propose to DO. That's all, this is where the conversation ends.

      And you mean not a "pack"?
      Your head does not crack: you support the counter-revolution, that is. white, and remember the Red Army! Be proud of the White Army, Kolchak, Yudenich.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 18: 43
        +4
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Cowbra
        Asking this pack - you are dissatisfied with the current government. What do you propose to DO. That's all, this is where the conversation ends.

        And you mean not a "pack"?

        Sylvester, greetings! They write-write for them:
        https://www.planet-kob.ru/articles/8306/programma-dvizheniya-za-novyi-socializm-polnaya-versiya
        and they put the authors under house arrest, and then yell from the stands:

        Having approved the basic law before this:
        Article 3
        4. No one can appropriate power in the Russian Federation. The seizure of power or the appropriation of power is prosecuted under federal law.

        And they imply that today's came down from above, as something eternal and unshakable ...
        Article 13
        1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.
        2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.
        3. The Russian Federation recognizes political diversity, multi-party system.
        4. Public associations are equal before the law.

        And they are looking for extremists among candidates of sciences and deputies ...
        Article 14
        1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion can be established as a state or mandatory.
        2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.

        At the same time, the Main Temple of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is being built and spaceships are being consecrated ...
    3. vl903
      vl903 6 March 2021 16: 15
      +13
      where is the population? where is the real economy, and not the pumping out of resources? why don’t they annex Abkhazia, transnistria, donbass? why didn’t they defend Buta? why do we need crazy spending on the Olympics, Olympic sports, PACE? Why do migrants get our jobs for pennies, but we are pressed for wages? Why are only Chinese goods stores profitable in the country, and production is unprofitable? Why is everything behind the Urals given to China? Yes, many questions can be continued. (((
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 18: 47
        0
        Quote: vl903
        yes many questions can be continued.

        Here is one of the answers to topics of interest:
    4. vl903
      vl903 6 March 2021 16: 23
      +8
      you know all the decisions: just roll back: a fraud with a military order - shot, stole from the state more than a million - shot, robbed more than one - shot, the loot is confiscated from all relatives and friends around the world. fled from justice, get justice even abroad. You call on the genocide of the citizens of the USSR and descendants, even if you are Victoria Nulad, surrender to the justice of the Syzran district court or get justice. Yes, all this was thought out a long time before us and it all works well. Only this is not needed by anyone. You yourself will not punish yourself.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 6 March 2021 16: 28
        .
        Well, here's an example. Well, you shot everyone in general, then what? Will you hire and shoot again until the entire population runs out?
        It's even simpler, well, let's say, suddenly Russia has become the only country in the world where no one steals. It's funny, but the example is harder for you to understand. How will this help the aviation industry? Or space? Or machine tool industry? Or the army? You have not offered anything. In your country - only "not". They do not steal. But they also DO NOT do anything - you did NOT offer to do anything.
        A classic illustration to the above. Straight along the lines
        1. tasha
          tasha 6 March 2021 16: 37
          +16
          Cowbra buddy. Everyone seems to know how criticism differs from criticism.
          Tell me, if I ask the question - why does the head of the administration need a car for three million rubles - is it the opposition or not? And what should I suggest? car for 2.800?
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 6 March 2021 17: 09
            -4
            Well, would you call it criticism? I remember that I asked the head of the administration in winter - why am I sitting in the middle of a field on a forehead in the snow, if I pay money for cleaning this track? Criticism helped, did not sit for half an hour, as she drove the tractor laughing But what kind of car she has - I don't care for such a flashlight ... And mind you, if she were "shot", as suggested above, I would have cuckoo in the snow like that. This is an example ...
            1. tasha
              tasha 6 March 2021 17: 48
              +2
              That's when I become the supreme dictator - then let's talk about executions wink

              My idea is that your thesis: "They cannot DO anything - in principle, they cannot offer any solution." not very successful. Sometimes it is not necessary to offer something - sometimes it is enough to ask the right question, like you: "Why am I sitting in the middle of the field on my head in the snow, if I pay money for cleaning this track?"
              [Saturday retreat] I, in opposition to you, will ask - where did you go, in the snow? laughing
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 6 March 2021 18: 44
                -9
                To the dacha, Lord! And to ask the right question - to the doctor, heal himself, I simply explained to her in plain text that then, on principle, I will get to her chips, and there will be a substantive conversation with me and with the whole village - why the track is not cleaned up. Who do you think helped me in this situation more? The present head of the district administration, its chief, who just once already built it, and will build it again, if the cart is rolled, or are such balabolas like the "realist-rescuer", who is bankrupt about education in the USSR?
                Quote: Silvestr
                realist! Saving your asses

                As if I lived without him ... I'm going to put up a monument to him. From shit and sticks - as they say, according to your business ...
                1. tasha
                  tasha 6 March 2021 20: 13
                  0
                  To the dacha, Lord!
                  Ha ha ha. I meant - why did we go, if snow, blizzard and you can get stuck, you have to sit at home! The great politician in you has disappeared ... drinks
        2. vl903
          vl903 6 March 2021 17: 06
          -4
          shoot not everyone but those harming the state on a national scale. any nation has enough people and creators and people of parasites. now we are seized by their ticks and those who are thrown to us under the door. markers of this Gorbachev, Posner, Gref, Zyuganov, etc. as long as ticks live better with us than in the same China, do not expect good. the only internal political task of the state is to pinch the ticks and not to discredit the people. People themselves will raise the economy and develop the same space by working in the public sector and in the private sector. Examples are China, Sweden, Norwegians, Finns and Yapas, etc.
        3. vl903
          vl903 6 March 2021 17: 08
          -2
          there is no such thing in this world without theft, that is how man is. The FSB should not be a private security company to protect the feeders, but keep the level of state theft within the framework. It hurts more mi6 and cia
        4. Gardamir
          Gardamir 6 March 2021 17: 29
          +6
          you are NOT offered to do anything.
          And you are the president. Will everything change now after my proposal?
          Then I offer personal responsibility for each official. Business is not going to fire. Overstated construction prices to punish.
          1. tasha
            tasha 6 March 2021 18: 10
            +1
            Then I offer personal responsibility for each official.
            Do you think it will help? I think the trouble is that no one is ready to take responsibility. And these very officials can be understood, he himself is in shock. We have several cases when the heads of the village councils refused (!) From the money for repairs, for example, the Houses of Culture. Do you know why? Because you need to hold contests, tenders, but there are no specialists, the prosecutor's office does not sleep and it is more expensive to communicate ... Tin ...
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 6 March 2021 18: 59
              +2
              Do you think it will help?
              Well, this is the simplest thing to offer right now.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 6 March 2021 19: 02
              +15
              Quote: tasha
              Do you think it will help? I think the trouble is that no one is ready to take responsibility.

              Colleague, everything is simple, if you don't want to take responsibility, don't go to power!
              And it is very simple to control the power, a video camera in every office and an online broadcast of the working day, so that every citizen can see what an official or a deputy is doing at a given moment. 21st century, however.
              1. tasha
                tasha 6 March 2021 19: 54
                -3
                a video camera in each office
                Well, what will you see there, a man is sitting, working with papers. I believe that modern officials of the lower and middle ranks are imposed by supervisory authorities from all sides so that it is much safer for them not to risk at all. "The most useful thing is to prohibit and Hold and do not let go" ...
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 6 March 2021 20: 37
                  +9
                  Quote: tasha
                  I believe that modern officials of the lower and middle ranks are imposed by supervisory authorities from all sides so that it is much safer for them not to risk at all.

                  "I would gnaw out bureaucracy like a wolf!"
                  Firstly, I am greatly worried about the number of bureaucrats in principle.
                  And the second moment, are they bureaucrats for office work or in the service of the people?
                  And we will provide them with sensors in full, from a pedometer, pulse, pressure and urine analysis to a real-time lie detector + electronic document management, 5 cameras in the office, a table without drawers and tightly sewn pockets, food coupons in the local canteen and discount public transport ticket.
                  We will launch their Audi as a free taxi for the poor and children from rural schools. good
                  Do you think this is fantastic?
            3. Dart2027
              Dart2027 6 March 2021 19: 24
              -7
              Quote: tasha
              Because you need to hold contests, tenders, but there are no specialists

              It's not about specialists, but about the anti-corruption law. To avoid such corruption, there must be a competition and, according to the law, the most advantageous offer must be accepted. But in reality, trusting someone who promises to make it cheaper is dangerous. They will ask something from an official, not from "Horns and Hooves".
              1. tasha
                tasha 6 March 2021 19: 29
                +2
                As it turned out, the point is the specialists. There are no people who understand all the rules, all the rules for holding contests and further support, observation and so on.
                They will ask the official, you write the truth. And in the supervisory bodies there are officials who need results.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 6 March 2021 19: 32
                  -7
                  Quote: tasha
                  There are no people who understand all the rules, all the rules for holding contests and further support, observation and so on.

                  I do not know how it was in your case, maybe so, but my example is taken from life.
                  1. tasha
                    tasha 6 March 2021 19: 42
                    +1
                    Similarly ... hi
                    - I will announce tenders for major repairs and the prosecutor's office and the federal antimonopoly service will "live" with me. -
          2. Cowbra
            Cowbra 6 March 2021 18: 57
            -9
            Quote: Gardamir
            Business is not going to fire. Overstated construction prices to punish.

            This has already been done, it just cannot occur to populists that when an official was arrested for corruption, this does not mean that they are stealing, because
            Quote: vl903
            there is no such thing in this world without theft, that is how man is.

            ... and that they fight corruption. And then how are we? arrested the thief official - ah-ah! Nightmare! Like in the USA? Not a single official has been imprisoned for corruption - there is no such thing.
        5. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 18: 52
          +1
          Quote: Cowbra
          Well, here's an example. Well, you shot everyone in general, then what? Will you hire and shoot again until the entire population runs out?

          For some, the example of Singapore, China and some other countries that have tightened laws against embezzlers and corrupt officials is not an example? Russian mentality will not be able to allow the adoption of a law that aggravates the situation of thieves and robbers? Or, who will chop off his left (right) hand?
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 6 March 2021 19: 00
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            Quote: ROSS 42
            Singapore, China

            Singapore is wholly owned by foreign capital - this is an offshore, an example is not in the subject, and China is the state number 1 in the number of billionaires, yeah, those very "thieves", in the same place communism, from where the communist, yesterday's collective farm worker. Mao billions today? Or can you tell me about the Triads, which have not gone anywhere, and the same riots in Hong Kong suppressed the Triads with which the authorities negotiated! Did you set them up as an example? Well, I congratulate you! Load populists in barrels.
            The only thing on the subject is the attitude towards these populists there, which can be taken into account. I went to a rally and lost my health insurance. The second time - he was fired and they won't take to clean the toilets anymore. Have you heard about the social rating? Yes, that's exactly what they do there.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 6 March 2021 19: 03
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              Quote: Cowbra
              Did you set them up as an example?

              I’ll tell you about the economy, about the army, about the navy, about space, about sports, and again to the topic of thieves ...
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 6 March 2021 20: 59
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                Quote: ROSS 42
                I tell you about the economy, about the army, about the navy, about space, about sports,

                Lying, and insolently:
                Quote: ROSS 42
                For some, the example of Singapore, China and some other countries that have toughened laws against embezzlers and corrupt officials is not an example? The Russian mentality will not be able to allow the adoption of a law that aggravates the situation of thieves and robbers?

                Do you really think others are dumber than you? So much so that they can't read your previous post? Where is there about the army and other sports? W-well?
          2. tasha
            tasha 6 March 2021 20: 09
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            Yuri Vasilievich, you can't help the cause with shootings and executions.
            As long as there is a junction of private and state structures + impersonal money = corruption and embezzlement, alas, will flourish. But the fight is going on. I already wrote, but ask yourself a question - why do officials find exactly cash (!) Money, gold and other valuables?
            How many tons of gold did a Chinese official have? Whoa!
            A separate line is the misuse of public money. And this is where the right opposition is needed. Which will ask the question - "Why do you need commemorative figurines, sets of gold in dining rooms and a clock with the symbolism" 20 years of KhryuMryuNadzor? "
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    6. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 6 March 2021 19: 46
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      The first is to cancel the pension reform! As erroneous and harmful to the state. The second is to introduce a tax on the export of capital. By the way, I support the president's idea: "I suggest that for those who withdraw their income in the form of dividends to foreign accounts, provide a tax rate for such dividends of 15%," Vladimir Putin said. But I propose for those whose dividends amount to over a million rubles. introduce a tax of -30 - 40%. The third is to introduce a 3% tax on any money transfers outside our country over 100 thousand rubles. Fourth, to shape economic policy in such a way that companies from states that have announced sanctions to us are temporarily impaired. Those. the rest should have an advantage over them ...
      1. clerk
        clerk 6 March 2021 21: 10
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        ... The first is to cancel the pension reform! As erroneous and harmful to the state.
        And what in return - where to get money for retirement?
        ... The second is to introduce a tax on the export of capital. By the way, I support the president's idea: "I suggest that for those who withdraw their income in the form of dividends to foreign accounts, provide a tax rate for such dividends of 15%," Vladimir Putin said.
        That is, it is proposed to introduce a deliberately inoperative populist rule of law with holes? Flag in hand (c).
        The third is to introduce a 3% tax on any money transfers outside our country over 100 thousand rubles.
        fucking decision - if we are talking about transfers of individuals, the price of the issue is $ 200 million per year, or 8 (eight) rubles per month for each resident of Russia. And do not deny yourself anything, laughing And if you impose a tax on all transfers of legal entities, then all imports stupidly by the same 3% will rise in price
        ... Fourth, to shape economic policy in such a way that companies from states that have announced sanctions to us are temporarily impaired. Those. the rest should have an advantage over them ...
        ... In fact, it has already been done in a smarter form - retaliatory sanctions concern not just companies from specific countries, but namely companies from those industries that are competitive with similar Russian ones.
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 22 March 2021 20: 37
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          "And what in return - where to get money for retirement?" Well, there are a lot of options here ... I will only voice the most controversial and extravagant - it proceeds from the fact that a pension is government assistance to those who cannot feed themselves (due to age), although all my life I have worked honestly and from the fact that that the pension should not depend on the number of the working population, but should depend on what kind of wealth, resources and budget the state possesses - we shut the fuck out of all state pension funds (since they still don't know how to earn and use money efficiently), we cancel the fuck up pension tax this will seriously reduce the burden on business, contribute to economic growth, bring salaries out of the shadow) and pay a fixed pension from the budget according to work experience (at the current ruble exchange rate, one year of work experience should cost one thousand rubles per month). How to fill the budget? Well, Americans are just printing new money. Do you think that if the state simply prints money and gives it to pensioners, we will have galloping inflation? (When the state spends huge amounts of money to support banks, you don’t ask where to get the money?). Don't you think that 99% of retirees will spend their money on goods and services produced domestically? Don't you think that our economy has a problem of lack of money? Don't you think that if the purchasing power of the population decreases, the country's economy collapses? To fill the budget, it is possible to increase the tax on exported raw materials abroad by 20% (gradually, by 3% per year) on gas, oil, non-ferrous and ferrous metals, round timber, gold, stones - for all raw materials the processing of which is less than 40% This will not stimulate, but will force us to invest in processing (new jobs will appear, a non-resource economy will begin to grow) ...
          1. clerk
            clerk 23 March 2021 11: 57
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            ... we shut down all the fucking state pension funds (since they still do not know how to earn and use money efficiently), abolish the fucking pension tax (this will seriously reduce the burden on business, contribute to economic growth, bring salaries out of the shadow) and pay a fixed pension from the budget according to the length of service work (at the current ruble exchange rate, one year of experience should cost one thousand rubles per month
            Without going into arguments about the fairness of this system, let us sum up the financial result - with an average experience of 25 years, the cost of paying pensions doubles.
            ... How to fill the budget? Well, Americans are just printing new money. Do you think that if the state simply prints money and gives it to pensioners, we will start galloping inflation?
            The Americans sterilize their emission by withdrawing capital in their national currency. For Russia, this path is still unrealistic. If pensioners add 100 rubles a month, then there will be no problems, and if, as you suggest, we increase pensions by 1,5-2 times, then budget expenditures will increase by 30-50% and hyperinflation will really begin, which in 3 months will devalue all pension increases.
            When the state spends huge amounts of money to support banks, you don't ask where to get the money?).
            It cost $ 2 trillion. a year for 1 year a few years ago. You are proposing to spend an additional 4-8 trillion. ANNUALLY.
            1. MstislavHrabr
              MstislavHrabr 23 March 2021 18: 02
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              I suggest not spending $ 4-8 trillion. annually, and to pour them into our economy - by abolishing the pension tax and thus supporting not only pensioners, but also all entrepreneurs in our country. + All this money will remain in our economy, and will not be exported abroad for the purpose of speculation, etc. ... This money is in the NWF, the missing money can be printed ... I am sure that all of them will return to the budget! But! The main thing! The people's confidence in the leadership of our country will return! But ... "clerks" do not understand the value of PEOPLE TRUST, and sometimes it is much more important than 4-8 trillion!
              1. clerk
                clerk 23 March 2021 18: 21
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                ... I propose not to spend 4-8 trillion. annually, and to pour them into our economy - by abolishing the pension tax and thus supporting not only pensioners, but also all entrepreneurs in our country. + All this money will remain in our economy, and will not be exported abroad for speculation, etc.
                That is, you simply propose to abolish the tax, and close the hole in the budget with emission? This policy of the early 90s will simply lead to galloping inflation and to nothing else.
                1. MstislavHrabr
                  MstislavHrabr 23 March 2021 19: 31
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                  In the 90s, we did not have any business as such, so the reduction of the tax burden could not play a role in the growth of the country's economy. And we had the disintegration of the country, the economic ties between the regions were breaking. Nobody BELIEVED in the CENTER's ability to save the country and the economy. Everyone wanted to get out of the crisis separately, independently. This (lack of TRUST OF THE PEOPLE and the POLITICAL WILL of the government) gave rise to galloping inflation. Now nothing like this will happen (unless, of course, the country's leadership decides to shove the resources belonging to the people into their pockets again), On the contrary: - business, especially small and medium-sized ones, will receive significant relief (Financial + fewer bureaucratic problems) and will invest the freed up funds in new production, and will not put it in a box, because at the same time, as you say, DOUBLE THE CAPACITY OF THE DOMESTIC MARKET (pensions will double, and pensioners will not take their funds offshore and will not go to the Maldives)! There will be no "galloping inflation" but a galloping growth of the country's economy and a sharp improvement in the welfare of citizens!
                  1. clerk
                    clerk 23 March 2021 20: 13
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                    ... On the contrary: - business, especially small and medium-sized ones, will receive significant relief (Financial + bureaucratic problems will become less) and will invest the freed up funds in new production, and not put them in a box,
                    Namely, that most of it will add up, which will lead to the demand for foreign currency and the growth of the exchange rate.
                    WILL GROW, as you say, DOUBLE THE CAPACITY OF THE DOMESTIC MARKET (
                    It is not the capacity of the market that will grow, but the supply of money. That is, prices will rise.
                    ... pensions will double, and pensioners will not take their funds to offshore and will not go to the Maldives)!
                    Will they start eating twice as much? I strongly doubt it. The money will also mostly end up in the boxes.
                    ... There will be not "galloping inflation" but a galloping growth of the country's economy and a sharp improvement in the welfare of citizens
                    From unsecured money printed? It doesn't work that way.
                    1. MstislavHrabr
                      MstislavHrabr 27 March 2021 14: 33
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                      We don't have any unsecured money today. We are more likely to get a crisis of overproduction than a crisis of underproduction (shortage) - after all, we have "capitalism" ... And ... grandmothers love to help their grandchildren and take care of them (if they have the time and energy for this). This means that young people can be given birth (because there will be confidence that they will be fed, looked after and they will not be taken away if the parent suddenly loses his job). This means that there will also be an increase in demography. And children need to be fed and pampered! This is where the increase in pension will go ... But ... if someone really puts money in a box, the market will definitely not suffer from this ...
                      1. clerk
                        clerk 28 March 2021 11: 26
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                        We don't have any unsecured money today. ...
                        There are many. Otherwise, prices would not have grown so much.
                        And ... grandmothers love to help their grandchildren and take care of them (if they have the strength and time for this). This means that young people can be given birth (because there will be confidence that they will be fed, looked after and they will not be taken away if the parent suddenly loses his job). This means that there will also be an increase in demography. And children need to be fed and pampered! This is where the increase in pension will go ..
                        How naive you are ..... If the question of demography was solved so easily .... Of course, you need to help pensions, but not by raising pensions, but by issuing food and medicine money cards (with which you can only buy food and medicine in specific networks) ...
                        ... But ... if someone really puts money in a box, the market will definitely not suffer from this ...
                        If only the money-box is cash in rubles in a stocking. If the money goes to the bank or directly to the foreign exchange market, the market will suffer.
        2. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 22 March 2021 20: 49
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          "if we introduce a tax on all transfers of legal entities, then all imports will stupidly rise in price by the same 3%" ... Is it always bad that imported products become more expensive? Does this mean that new opportunities will open up for our entrepreneurs? And by the way, how much does the average pensioner spend on imported food? And the salary, as you know, is the cost of the worker's family's livelihood for which he agrees to work. If the cost of livelihoods rises, salaries will also rise ... It's not difficult for the state at all.