"To destroy fortifications and equipment": the Armed Forces of Ukraine adopted the Alligator sniper rifle

The new Alligator large-caliber anti-material sniper rifle has been adopted by the Ukrainian army. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine on Facebook.

Reportedly, the 14,5 mm rifle passed all the necessary tests at the end of last year and was adopted by the sniper units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is emphasized that all parts of the rifle, including the barrel, are made in Ukraine.

The Ukrainian military department said that the main task of the large-caliber Alligator is to destroy enemy fortifications and lightly armored vehicles.

14,5x114 is a super-powerful caliber, the initial bullet speed is 980 m / s, the effective firing range is up to 2000 m, and the maximum bullet flight range is up to 7000 m.By the way, at a distance of 1,5 km the bullet penetrates a 10-mm armor plate

- said an employee of the Central Research Institute of Military Equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant Colonel Boris Melnik.

The Alligator is a classic bolt action bolt action rifle. The removable magazine is designed for five rounds of 14,5X114 mm. total length weapons - 2000 mm, barrel length - 1200 mm. The barrel has 8 grooves with a pitch of 419 mm. The total mass of the rifle without a magazine with cartridges is 22,5 kg.

The receiver is made of steel, the guide surfaces of the bolt in the receiver, the chamber and the bore of the rifle are chrome-plated

- added Miller.

The Alligator is said to meet all modern requirements for sniper rifles.

Comments

[Zaurbek]

Comments are buggy ...... for one of me?


Isn't it easier to use anti-tank systems for such purposes?

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Zaurbek

Isn't it easier to use anti-tank systems for such purposes?

Slow. Expensive. Too noticeable.
Well, in general, each weapon has its own goal.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Well, in general, each weapon has its own goal.

Greetings Stas Well, yes ... you can get into a five-story building from it, into something more compact NO!

[LiSiCyn]

Alex, !

Quote: Hunter 2

Well, yes ... you can get into a five-story building from it, into something more compact NO!

I, not just about this rifle ... I, about the concept as a whole. The use of ATGM, not in all cases, justifies itself by many criteria.

[Insurgent]

Grammar corrections required.

[Cowbra]

Quote: Insurgent

Grammar corrections required.

Then it is clear where the trunks came from, which do not do on the outskirts. Well this is trembita!

[Konnick]

Well, such a rifle with a muzzle brake gives a sickly flash. The DPR Army has a better one - the ASKV-14,5 "Donchanka" rifle. Caliber 14,5 mm with a silencer and a flame arrester. A truly anti-sniper rifle should provide a stealth shot.

[volodimer]

The question is: for sniper rifles of 7,62 caliber they, I remember, used the barrels of "mosinoks". https://topwar.ru/87012-novaya-ukrainskaya-snayperskaya-vintovka-vm-mp-uos.html
And for these from the PTRD / PTRS or from the CPV? Or is there a capacity for the production of barrels?

[Konnick]

Donchanka from KPV has the same cartridges.

[volodimer]

I read somewhere here for a long time that there were also semi-models based on barrels from DShK and KPV in the Chechen one, but everything there was very difficult with recoil, one lay on the other.

[Dreamboat]

Here I also remembered the PTRD, which, from the order to the military tests, was done in a month.
And what about sniper cartridges? Or machine-gun ones will come down ...
Then I would have preferred CPV: the accuracy and range are the same, but the density of the fire ...

[Avior]

The article is misleading. Nobody positions it as a sniper
She is antimaterial.

[Dreamboat]

Quote: Avior

The article is misleading. Nobody positions it as a sniper
She is antimaterial.

Apparently shoots with "antimatter" ?!
It's just that instead of machine guns on vehicles and ATGMs, it rolled back to anti-tank rifles. And it is nice to call this case the latter.

[Avior]

this is probably the currently accepted name for this class of weapon. It is logical, by the way, they do not shoot at a modern tank, it makes no sense.
They shoot at the material part of the enemy.
It is called that way all over the world and is issued under that name.

An anti-materiel rifle (AMR) is a rifle that is designed for use against military equipment (materiel)

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Zaurbek

Isn't it easier to use anti-tank systems for such purposes?

Ukraine has ATGM "Corsair"

In my opinion - even with a bullet with a caliber of 14,5mm lightly armored vehicles and even more STRENGTHENING can no longer be destroyed. At least from the first shot - to make several shots - will be substituted for a retaliatory strike (shot range 2000m ...)

[Zaurbek]

And her weight ...

[SaLaR]

Did they ... have not read about Aibolit))) A bear will come ... and again tear the crocodile .. for there is nothing

[Hunter 2]

With stubbornness worthy of better use, the non-brothers still adopted this "creation" I’ll just keep quiet about the barrels and this caramultuk, I’ll ask only one question ... Where are they going to get ammunition in caliber 14.5 / 114 in a special version ??? They just don't exist in nature. , but in Ukraine they are not produced at all ... for what targets did you intend to shoot with "machine-gun" cartridges, for the target - PAROVOZ?

[Nasrat]

The trench war gave birth to the "Alligator" ... That's all they could ... I think pride sticks out through the parapet ..

In the DPR, they released something similar:

Rifle ASKV-12,7 Donchanka. Caliber 12,7 mm. Weight 26,2 kg. Sighting range up to 1500 m. Cartridge 12,7 × 108 mm for heavy machine guns NSV "Utyos", "Kord" and DShK.

Rifle ASKV-14,5 Donchanka. Caliber 14,5 mm. Weight 27 kg. Sighting range up to 1500 m. This is a very formidable weapon. Note that the 14,5 × 114 mm cartridge is used in KPV heavy machine guns, various ZPUs and anti-tank rifles. It allows you to confidently hit enemy light armored vehicles and pose a threat even to heavy vehicles.

Anti sniper rifle gun "Separatist" of 23 mm caliber. Weight 44 kg. The maximum range is 3500 m. Note that 23 × 152 mm is a unitary projectile for artillery systems. Used in anti-aircraft guns 2A7 ("Shilka") and 2A14 (ZU-23-2 or "Zushka"). Execution options: armor-piercing incendiary tracer (BZT), fragmentation incendiary (OZ), fragmentation incendiary tracer (OZT).

[Vadim237]

These rifles are pure handicraft.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Vadim237

These rifles are pure handicraft.

Yes , "wartime product"...
And what do you want from the enterprises and gunsmiths-designers of the DPR, who have never dealt with shooting topics, especially such a specific one?

[Konnick]

And what do you want from the enterprises and gunsmiths-designers of the DPR, who have never dealt with shooting topics, especially such a specific one?

There are different constructors. If a designer has talent, then he can work better than a blinkered specialist. There are examples of such constructors and you know them well - Kalashnikov and Spirits. Dukhov Nikolai Leonidovich, three times Hero of Social Labor, these are the KV and IS tanks, and then, it was he who created our first atomic bomb, the scientists wrote the principles and made calculations of how much charge was needed, and he led the development of the design documentation for the manufacture of specialists on the topic of nuclear there were no weapons either. I'm not talking about the creators of this ersatz rifle, they collected from what was, without showing talent and brains. Usually, specific specialists have an undisguised professional swagger due to their own importance, which quickly disappears after specific design questions. A real designer can create a plow and a vertical takeoff and landing aircraft, if, of course, the goals and objectives are explained to him correctly.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Konnick

There are examples of such constructors and you know them well -Kalashnikov

About Mikhail Timofeevich, Kalashnikov ...
He was a Genius, but even his AK scheme did not appear immediately, but was the fruit of a very long and meticulous work and rethinking.
And I am writing about the realities of today, when Donchanka was literally whipped up, without any experience ...

[NDR-791]

Where are they going to get ammunition in caliber 14.5 / 114 in a special version ??? They simply do not exist in nature, and in Ukraine they are not produced at all ...
I, too, immediately thought about the cartridge. KPVT will be robbed for ammunition? Well, and get accordingly the same

[Your stranger]

In South Africa they make sniper cartridges for this caliber, which means there are sniper cartridges of this caliber,
Second, very often at competitions they take simple cartridges, disassemble them, select the bullets by weight so that they are the same, and after pouring the same amount of gunpowder, they collect such cartridges,
Ps.
This is done at all sniping tournaments,

[Egor53]

There are 2 options with cartridges:
1. Use self-loading cartridges like all high-end snipers do. In all precision shooting competitions, ONLY self-loading cartridges are used. The price of such cartridges is high. But the accuracy is also high.
2. Use heavy machine gun ammo. They are cheap, but the accurate shooting distance will not exceed 300 meters.
Dill will obviously go according to the 2nd option. Then there will be no sense from this rifle, in terms of accuracy it will be inferior to Drahunka. And the sound of a shot will be such that from 2 km. it will be clear where they are shooting from.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Egor53

There are 2 options with cartridges:
1. Use self-loading cartridges like all high-end snipers do. In all precision shooting competitions, ONLY self-loading cartridges are used. The price of such cartridges is high. But the accuracy is also high.

This is far from the case, do not use "only" self-loaded cartridges, Most use Factory ammunition of high quality manufacturing and control over their production. Even if they try to equip them on their own ... Where will the source codes of the corresponding approvals be obtained? They, too, are simply No!
As for the rest, I agree with the machine-gun cartridge ... but they will also be bought in Romania.

[-Dmitry-]

Quote: Egor53

There are 2 options with cartridges:
1. Use self-loading cartridges like all high-end snipers do. In all precision shooting competitions, ONLY self-loading cartridges are used. The price of such cartridges is high. But the accuracy is also high.
.

And the point of using self-loaded cartridges? The bullet will not get better from this - I always thought that the accuracy of shooting depends on the quality of the bullet itself, and not on the amount of gunpowder.

[nnm]

Buy. And it's not a fact that it's not with us. Yesterday I saw a story on this topic. From bad to cartridges, everything is imported. In the best case, they buy brass for small independent parties.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Hunter 2

on what targets were going to shoot "machine-gun" cartridges, on the target - PAROVOZ?

The rifle has been tested. It was made and tested by professionals. Do not think that they are only in Russia. Don't underestimate a potential adversary.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Hunter 2

on what targets were going to shoot "machine-gun" cartridges, on the target - PAROVOZ?

The rifle has been tested. It was made and tested by professionals. Do not think that they are only in Russia. Don't underestimate a potential adversary.

If you - told how "professionals" test Airplanes or air defense systems (which I do not understand at all), for example, I would probably agree ... just not about this miracle ...
The large-caliber rifle, which is also called an "anti-material or infantry gun", is based on a 14,5 mm 2X35 self-loading self-loading cannon designed for training firing without consuming the main ammunition of Soviet-style tanks equipped with 125 mm guns. This is about the trunks of this caramultuk.
Well, at the same time, explain ... what kind of "professional" will test the sniper complex - with the help of a submachine gun , and others, as I already wrote, are simply NOT IN NATURE! In general, they are not released in Ukraine (even machine-gun ones) !!!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Hunter 2

Well, at the same time, explain ... what kind of "professional" will test the sniper complex - with the help of belay machine-gun ammunition, and

Without arguing with you, I ask a simple question - maybe you don’t know something?

[Constanty]

A decade ago, the Czechs also developed new 14,5x114 precision ammunition for their CZE-SAP.

TTD ammo:
The weight of the projectile: 45 g
V10: 1220 m / s
E0: 33 J
Dispersion at 500 m: R50 = of 80.7 mm; R100 = 192,3 mm

[Dimide]

Recently "Mayak" reported that they have mastered the production of 14,5 / 114 in sniper design.
Used new gunpowder, shaman with a hitch, a cartridge case and a bullet.

[Dimide]

To add, they took a "510" caliber bullet and a 14,5 / 114 cartridge case, and creatively reworked it.
Claims 30% less recoil and 40% more flatness

[Insurgent]

Quote: Dimid

To add, they took a "510" caliber bullet and a 14,5 / 114 cartridge case, and creatively reworked it.

Ok, I see stated, "creatively rework"You can do anything and in anything. Even the Soviet mortar in the" Hammer ", and chocolate in the feces
Just tell me, how many grateful members of the families of the "Molotov" calculations - remember such creators with kind words?

[Dimide]

We all have design mistakes. You would have changed the manual, or something, make this story with "Hammer" sore. Tell me better about your achievements. secret pistol "Oplot", p / n DPR, what are your impressions?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Dimid

Tell us better about your achievements. I read about the unparalleled Donchanka, Separatist and the secret pistol Oplot, p / p of the DPR, what are your impressions?

Indeed, one can speak of Donchanka and Separatist as unparalleled samples due to their development and production in completely unsuitable conditions and without a specialized production base.
But I already wrote that this is a product wartime forcedly designed and produced.
But when the time comes "Ч", from" stash-caches " suddenly ( ) there will be such samples of sniper rifle complexes, from which even spent cartridges, the calculation does not show anyone.
Consider this Not a single crocodile of yours will crawl away alive. And it will be necessary - "Cheburashka" will deal with it, made on "KrAZ chassis that has no analogues" ...

[Dimide]

There is a single experimental copy, as I understand it
I'm more interested in Stronghold

[Insurgent]

Quote: Dimid

There is a single experimental copy, as I understand it

Of course , KrAZ, we had one (understand so further). Then there will be a surprise

[Insurgent]

Quote: Dimid

I'm more interested in Stronghold

"Oplot" is your tank, which already exists in 12 copies, or is our "Oplot" - "five"?

[Dimide]

It was about the "shooter", I'm interested in a p / p and a "two-caliber" pistol (with interchangeable barrels)

[Insurgent]

Quote: Dimid

It was about the "shooter", I'm interested in a p / p and a "two-caliber" pistol (with interchangeable barrels)

What could be interesting about them? Well, one is made according to the "Browning" scheme, the second is almost a copy of the Swedish Intratec TEC-DC9 ...
And this and that, it was developed more for propaganda purposes, without clear prospects for mass use.

But the "Snowflake" (and again on the chassis of the captured KrAZ ), you should like it more (garnished piece)

[Egoza]

Quote: Hunter 2

With stubbornness worthy of better use, the non-brothers still adopted this "creation"

I am begging you! You have to make money on something! And "create", and steal, and sell to the "enemy"

[Holgerton]

In your opinion, KPVT cannot conduct aimed fire at group targets and equipment at 1-1,5 km?
You have some kind of distorted idea of ​​firing machine-gun cartridges.
In Vietnam / Afghanistan, the fighters managed to hit single growth targets from 700-800 meters or more from large-caliber machine guns, conventional trucks / armored personnel carriers and other equipment to hit with a machine-gun cartridge was more than real and commonplace.
Specialized sniper cartridges are required mainly for special anti-sniper shooting, or for anti-terror units, in most other tasks they serve only to reduce the number of sighting shots, or to hit the target from the first shot.
The same M82 / 107 at the beginning of their journey in Iraq used standard machine-gun cartridges from M2 Browning (there was no special ammo for them) and at the same time showed themselves very worthy in the fight against equipment and fortifications like parapets / brickwork. And only on the basis of requests from the fighters and the US Department of Defense, specialized cartridges appeared for the possibility of hitting single targets at long distances.
Roughly speaking, cartridges are important, but even more important are weapons, the presence / absence of automation, the configuration of the DTK, the blanks used in the production of the barrel, and the stability of the barrel characteristics at different temperatures and its shooting.
As a striking example, for the AK-74/12 and A-545, a single type of cartridges is used in comparative tests for firing, but the accuracy of the battle is different, I think you already guess why?
It is quite possible with a machine gun cartridge to effectively fire at typical antimaterial sniper rifles to targets (armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles / trucks / dugout / mortar crew).

[Mouse]

"Alligator" meets all modern requirements for sniper rifles

And NATy have already tied to the standards ???

[NDR-791]

And NATy have already tied to the standards ???
It will not work. NATA does not have such a cartridge in service

[Mouse]

NATy does not have such a cartridge in service wassat

That's why I laugh ...

[Constanty]

NATO Hungarians use Gepard M3 rifles for this ammunition, NATO Czechs still produce it

[NDR-791]

They produce and are in service with different things. We also produce 308WIN, but we do not put it into service.

[Constanty]

OT-90, armed with KPWT, is still in the reserve of the Czech army.

[Ros 56]

Well, let's compare our Alligators, I'm afraid these kuevsky half-dicks will not like it.

[rotmistr60]

Well, if the "large-scale" far-flung great-caliberna "and" gvintivka ", then yes. It seems to me that it will take a lot of time for them to memorize when studying the device (judging by the advertising poster) and there will be no time for shooting. Most of the higher education institutions, as they did not know the Ukrainian language, do not know and are not eager to learn (which is good).

[Cowbra]

Alligator, you say?

It is emphasized that all parts of the rifle, including the barrel, are made in Ukraine.

Well, the losses from it should be less than from the mortar. At the APU)))

[Vadim237]

This rifle is not on the knee made like a Hammer - there will be no losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from it, but the LPNR will have large losses from their use.

[Cowbra]

And what, on the outskirts of the trunks have learned to do, right? And where? And for what reason was a batch of machine guns delivered to Turkey - and returned by the Turks? Maybe because the trunks even for 7,62 were not able to blind? Do you think that a torn sniper barrel will add health?
Not on the knee, that's for sure. In the garage, they did it by cutting the old KPVT trunk, not if the rust hadn't eaten through and through, it would take a couple of shots

[Vadim237]

It does not seem that these are old barrels from KPVT - and the rifle itself is clearly not made in garage conditions.

[TermNachTer]

So the "hammer" is also kind of like they did at the factory))) from Chinese water pipes)))

[TermNachTer]

Was a new rifle attached to the old Soviet cartridge?))))

[volodimer]

About the cartridges for this "crocodile" I understood from the comments. And the fact that the trunks for him are the alteration of the KPV trunks. But no one answered the question: were there (were) 404 capacities for the production of such barrels or would the armored personnel carrier be exchanged for scrap - can we make a rifle?

[Dimide]

Snipex and Alligator is XADO, Kharkiv
"Volodar Obriyu" -Lighthouse, Kiev

[volodimer]

I am not interested in the "developer". Did anyone else produce trunks in the USSR besides the Degtyarev Plant?

[Dimide]

The original article emphasizes that the barrel is of Ukrainian origin, without specifying the manufacturer

[volodimer]

Clear. This is what I would like to know. Where, and at what enterprise. At least in order to assess the possible production volumes. Alteration of the existing KPV barrels is minuscule, and the production based on the production of new barrels is a completely different scale.

[Vadim237]

"And manufacturing based on the production of new barrels is a completely different scale." So this office has its own production of chrome-plated barrels for this 14,5 caliber rifle.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: volodimer

Did anyone else produce trunks in the USSR besides the Degtyarev Plant?

"In Gur̶e̶ts̶i̶i̶ Ukraine, everything is there!"

[volodimer]

Well then, I did not doubt

[Avior]

... the trunks to it are the alteration of the KPV trunks

And how did you get it?

[Reserve buildbat]

They took the PTRS, removed the self-cocking, since they cannot recreate it, changed the plywood to plastic - it's done! A new ubergun, capable of hitting an armored personnel carrier from 2 km! (but does not mean that it is capable of piercing the armor of an armored personnel carrier at this distance). TOTAL GLOBAL REMOVAL !!!

[Avior]

All vinyls have a barrel and a stock, but this does not mean that they are copied from each other. Especially if it is self-loading, and the other is manual reloading

[Vadim237]

The barrels are new of our own design and production, and the armor-piercing cartridge 14,5 at a distance of 2000 will definitely pierce the armored personnel carrier's 80 mm frontal 7 mm side.

[Avior]

... The new Alligator large-caliber anti-material sniper rifle has been adopted by the Ukrainian army.

The original thing looks like this

... The Ukrainian Armed Forces have adopted the Alligator, a multiply-charged large-caliber anti-material hand-loading rifle.

Not a word about sniper, classic anti-material rifle.
Why it was necessary to write about the "sniper", which is not in the news - it's hard to understand

[-Dmitry-]

They use the Soviet caliber - not good!