Turkey is trying to solve the problem with engines for tanks "Altai"

Ankara negotiates with an unnamed foreign state to purchase engines for its main combat tank Altay. Thus, the problem with the tank power plant will be solved, and at the same time it will be produced by a local manufacturer.

Ismail Demir, chairman of the Turkish Defense Industry Directorate (SSB), said this in an interview with the Turkish TV channel NTV. Recall that earlier, sanctions were imposed on Demir and the US Directorate headed by him.

Earlier, the head of SSB said that various prototypes of domestically produced engines for the Altay tank and light armored vehicles will be ready this year, although initially the tank will use a power plant purchased abroad. Thus, Turkey is trying to solve the problem with engines for the new tank "Altai".

Prior to this, the Altay prototype was powered by a 1500 hp diesel engine. from the German company MTU Friedrichshafen GmbH. Rheinmetall from Germany has set up a joint venture with a Turkish-Qatari manufacturer of land vehicles to launch the production of armored vehicles, in particular the Altai main battle tank. However, production was halted after Berlin's decision to restrict arms exports to Turkey due to its actions in Syria and the Eastern Mediterranean.

Ankara has problems in the defense sphere not only with the European Union, but also with the United States. Earlier, Washington blocked Turkey's participation in the F-35 fighter program due to its purchase of Russian air defense systems.

Although Ankara does not disclose with whom it is negotiating on tank engines, Defense News, citing sources, reported that Turkey is discussing the possibility of acquiring engines for a tank from the South Korean manufacturer Doosan.

Comments

[newcomer]

Maybe all the same not South Korea, but Ukraine?

[SAG]

Yeah, for the price of scrap metal again, like liaoning to China.

[newcomer]

No, not that case. Ukrainians can fit them with drawings and gas turbine engines.

[TermNachTer]

The Canadians fitted them with the drawings and those processes for the rotex engines and still, they did not do everything themselves, they bought it in Austria. And the Kharkov two-stroke diesel is much larger and I think it will be more difficult.

[newcomer]

From Ukraine to Turkey "two steps" across the sea. I suppose the technicians are already there, as are the carabeli in China.

[venik]

Quote: newbie

No, not that case. Ukrainians can fit them with drawings and gas turbine engines.

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Interesting - WHAT tank GTE Ukrainians can "fit" the Turks ??? GTD-1000T (which rust from disassembled T-80s in the warehouse)? So it will not suit the Turks: firstly, a gas turbine (the Turks want diesel), and secondly, the capacity is not enough (1 thousand forces, and the Turks need 1.5 thousand) ...
But the 6TD-4 with a capacity of 1500 horses just can suit the Turks. True, it is not clear how many engines the Ukrainians themselves will be able to build for the Turks and in WHAT TIME ..... But the entire set of technical documentation will be sold "cheaply" and with pleasure .... If, of course, "Uncle Sam" does not threaten with a finger!
I personally bet on Ukraine!

[orionvitt]

Quote: newbie

Ukrainians can fit them with drawings and gas turbine engines

If Ukrainians can fit something to someone, it's just a headache. Everyone knows this very well, and no one wants to get involved with Ukraine. Moreover, Ukraine has long sold everything that is possible from the Soviet legacy.

[Old tanker]

GTE has never been produced in Ukraine. They were released in Kaluga.

[WHAT IS]

No, with the Koreans. At first they wanted to come to terms with either the Germans or the French, but they quarreled with them and did not grow together.

[newcomer]

Well, let's see.

[volodimer]

I agree. It is with the Koreans. Of course the Skakuas will claim that their engines are the best in the world, but the Turks are definitely not stupid. Vitaly is right,

If Ukrainians can fit something to someone, it's just a headache

And in Altai, the appearance also tells where the legs grow from. There is a lot from the "Black Panther", and the dvigun is the same. And if the Koreans supply them with "their own German" MTU MB-883 Ka-500, then they don't even need to change anything.

[newcomer]

Well, the Germans don't sell themselves, the Koreans will be allowed?!?!

[volodimer]

Koreans, it seems, are licensed to produce it for Hyundai Motors. What kind of license is, of course, a question, but the Koreans originally planned K-1 for export, so perhaps there is already such a permit. Or maybe the Koreans have done something based on it that they can sell to the Turks if they don't shine. Naturally, this is my speculation, but I don't believe in the Ukrainian version.

[Quadro]

Quote: WHAT IS

No, with the Koreans. At first they wanted to come to terms with either the Germans or the French, but they quarreled with them and did not grow together.

The Koreans themselves have German units (the same transmission from the German Renk), the hell that the Turks will get.

[TermNachTer]

Given that the Washington Reich Chancellery rules in Kueva, I strongly doubt it. With engines for UAVs, they have already rolled it out))) and does Kharkiv produce these engines in sufficient quantities, what would Turkey also have left? There are only two countries that can sell tank diesel engines to the Turks - Russia and China, but they are unlikely to do it)))

[newcomer]

I'm talking about the blueprints and capacities that Ukraine can transfer to the Turks, given the tight work of Turkey in Ukraine.

[TermNachTer]

So I am about the drawings. The Canadians handed over to the Turks all the documentation on the "rotex", which is on the "bayraktar". And all the same, the Turks bought some detail in Austria, because they did not get a casting. A tank diesel is much larger and I think it is more difficult. The Chinese have been copying TV - 3 - 117 (VK - 2500) for 30 years already. However - TV - 3 - 117 - the assigned resource is 6000 hours, for VK - 2500 - 5000 hours, for the Chinese designer "crazy hands" - 1 hours, but rarely nurses more than 000.

[Holgerton]

The blog diana_mihailova recently reported on the deployment of serial production of 6TD-2 in commercial quantities at KKBD. In the region of 50-60 new MTO kits for Al-Khalid per year + a stable flow of overhauled, remanufactured and spare parts on orders from the Pakistani Ministry of Defense.
The main problem (as in general and in most other cases) was with components from Russia. We bought a new production line in South Korea through the USA and sort of solved the problems with Russian PKI.
As confirmation, the Pakistanis signed a new supply contract with them for the last IDEX, everything can be found on the Internet.

[newcomer]

Colleagues, a lot of comments. I will try to answer with one, meaning for everyone. The South Koreans themselves use diesel engines on both K1 and K2, which are not purely Korean, this is a tight work mainly with MTU. As for "Dusan", I am plagued by vague doubts.

[rocket757]

Ankara is negotiating with an unnamed foreign state to purchase engines for its Altay main battle tank. Thus, the problem with the tank power plant will be solved, and at the same time it will be produced by a local manufacturer.

Probably they will be able to produce it according to other people's "patterns", but why didn't they develop it themselves ???

[newcomer]

Hands don't grow from there.

[rocket757]

So they are developing the industry seriously ... there are not enough design cadres?

[newcomer]

So they and the military-industrial complex want to completely replace import, well, or to the maximum, and they are moving towards this.

[newcomer]

Yes, I will add on personnel, I suppose "they already have them." From the CIS, of course.

[rocket757]

They spread out their tentacles, but they realized it a little late.
The valuable Soviet legacy was stolen before them, and the current generation is still teaching and teaching.

[seti]

Because modern a tank engine with a capacity of 1500 hp and more can be created from scratch only by a few countries. This requires a very developed design school, a lot of money, willful desire and, which is very important, appropriate technologies. Well, and access to the necessary materials. And of course the ability to collect all this to a heap. Turkey is not even close to this.

[rocket757]

Quote: seti

Because a modern tank engine with a capacity of 1500 hp or more can be created from scratch only by a few countries.

This is understandable, they talked about this more than once, but they did not begin to develop this topic yesterday, they should have achieved some results.

Quote: seti

Turkey is not even close to this.

no, it's not worth guessing. so far there are no serious results, but this, after all, is not forever.

[seti]

Certainly not forever if they continue to develop this topic. But their problem is that technologies continue to improve further, new materials are being created and there are other areas where you also need to invest and invest a lot of money .. Is it worth it for Turkey? You need to understand that tank engines are a dead-end branch - the industry and the state invests a lot of brains and resources in it, but gets little in the revenue side of the budget. By and large, we have nowhere to go, and therefore such a long and painstaking work to create and bring the A-85-3A with an automatic transmission and variable power from 1350 to 1800 liters. from. I'm afraid to even imagine how many resources and efforts have been invested in it. But I'll write again - we have nowhere to go and we have created it at the global level, this is a fact.
Turkey has other options. Therefore, most likely they will agree with someone and try to localize production at home. This will save them time but not money. They just want to share technology with them ...

[rocket757]

Quote: seti

invest a lot of money ..

So without this, nowhere and in any way ... no one said that Turkey is doing well with these.
Anyway, our view is very from the outside, and our worries are above the roof ... even if it is on your own ...

[alpamys]

the Germans denied Maybach

[ksv36]

Tigers and Panthers melted down to metal, and we will melt Altai, Abrams and others like them.

[Zaurbek]

And what not to name ... there, besides the diesel engine, there is still a KP needed. And there are not many producer countries:
- South Korea (just started diesel, but no box)
- USA (Turbine and Diesel)
- Germany (Diesel MTU)
- France
- Britain
- RF (Diesel and turbine)
- Ukraine (diesel)
- China (copies of Soviet diesels and copies of MTU)


If we consider that Altai had a German MTO, then it is compact and has a quickly removable monoblock with a capacity of 1500 hp. So, theoretically, a diesel engine can fit in there - China (variations on the MTU theme), Ukrainian 6-TD (I don't remember the indices), actually Yu.Koreysky, Russian X-diesel (???). Theoretically, you can try a T-80 turbine of the required power.

[orionvitt]

I am still amazed, why are they persistently trying to push Ukraine into the list of world manufacturers of tanks and units for them. Everything in Ukraine ended long ago. Except for naked show-off and fanned fingers. Their limit is to collect one tank and the August parade, and then if you're lucky.

[Zaurbek]

They will no longer produce a new one ... but the old ones, why not. Diesel engines have been and are being supplied to Pakistan. Turks, in any case, need to have production on their territory

[orionvitt]

Quote: Zaurbek

Pakistan was supplied

That was twenty years ago, if not more. There were old Soviet groundwork and production still working by inertia. Only old developments, sold long ago, wholesale and retail. Or I don’t know Ukraine. Everything is for sale.

[Zaurbek]

If the tanks are in service, then the Diesels have some kind of resource and must change ....... means they are mass-produced.

[Quadro]

The Germans also have a Renk transmission that the Koreans use.

[Roma 1977]

There was also information that the Turks were negotiating with the Italians about the design of a tank engine. Or is it the Turks already consider it a "Turkish" engine, as opposed to an "imported" one?

[Zaurbek]

If the Italians develop and launch in Turkey as an engineering firm, then it is Turkish. How Liebherr did it on Kamaz. Now Kamaz has a whole line of diesel engines.

[Constanty]

How many times does Turkey solve this problem? A contract has already been signed with Caterpilar for the Perkins engine, negotiations with Ukraine have been discussed, and recently about plans to purchase Korean Doosan engines. Time goes by, the years fly by, and Altai was really not in the army, as it is not.

"Sultan" overestimated ability

[Zaurbek]

The Russian Federation also entered into contracts for the MC21. And for the Cummins diesel engine to the Tigers ... this is generally a civil project. And Mistral bought ..... the situation is changing.

[Constanty]

It turns out that at present this word and agreement mean little, and sanctions are a fairly effective weapon.
This strange world

[Zaurbek]

Therefore, they are introduced ... and not only to reduce military potential, but, purely, for the purposes of competition. As is the case with MS-21 and composites. or SP-2 ...... Increase the cost part and, accordingly, the cost of the project. We need to understand this and make amendments to new projects.

If sanctions are introduced by analogy with CAATSA, against MS-21, then this will end the sale.

[Castro Ruiz]

Skoree vsego eta zagadochaya strana budet UA.
KR dvizhki bez soglasia FRG Turkom neprodayut. Tam box transfer Renk.

[CommanderDIVA]

Most likely China, some kind of analogue of the German mtu