"Our capabilities far exceeded those of the Russians": from the pathetic memoirs of a German soldier

"Wherever we were sent, we succeeded, and it is not so important to which place on the Eastern Front we were assigned" - with such frank narcissism a German soldier who got into the Großdeutschland division ("Great Germany") describes his service. Recall that on this very Eastern Front, units of this division took part in the battles near Tula, Kharkov, the battles for Voronezh and Voroshilovgrad, the battles on the Kursk Bulge.

From the narration of a Nazi soldier:

But we have always faced the elite units of the Red Army, and not with any other units. Where Hitler sent his battalion, Stalin sent his. As if they were playing soldiers.

In general, practically all the memoirs of a Hitlerite soldier named Rudolf Salvermoser are based on the notorious "superiority of the German army."

From the memories:

The only way to live was to fight for the homeland.

More than twisted logic. According to it, it turns out that the German division ended up near Voronezh and Tula, so that “the Germans could live” ... For some reason they did not live in their own homeland, and for some reason the Nazi veteran decided not to mention this. But he said the following:

We were educated and well trained. We were professionals. Our capabilities far exceeded those of the Russians.

Only in the end these "professionals" with "incredible capabilities" were crushed to smithereens by the Soviet soldiers, who hoisted the banner of Victory over the enemy's lair.

Pathetic memories of a German soldier:

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[Valerikk]

Our capabilities far exceeded those of the Russians.

Exceeded, exceeded, but never surpassed

[WHAT IS]

That's for sure! Who surpassed whom in Berlin became clear in May 1945!

[Insurgent]

Quote: WHAT IS

That's for sure! Who surpassed whom in Berlin became clear in May 1945!

Much earlier (photo document):

[Vladimir Mashkov]

They excelled, excelled, won, won - and pumped the war! His memories are VERY reminiscent of those of German experts. But the funny thing is that there are fools that believe! And false historians (foreign and homegrown) are intensively promoting "heroes" and "the real truth." I suppose - NOT free of charge

[Malyuta]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

They excelled, excelled, won, won - and pumped the war! His memories are VERY reminiscent of those of German experts.

Adventures of the "gallant" soldier Švejk.

[ammunition]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Exceeded, exceeded, ......... But the funny thing is that there are fools who believe!

You can consider me a fool .. But (in 41-42) the Germans were superior to us in the ability to wage a modern (at that time) war. We had to compensate for this with heroism and dedication ... and blood.

[Nasrat]

German SS veteran: "I have no regrets, I would go to fight in Russia again."

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ebaf1994ca89236df2d78b6/nemeckii-veteran-ssni-o-chem-ne-jaleiu-esce-raz-poehal-by-voevat-v-rossiiu-5f7b1c3448a2900c4365aae2

[Oleg Samsonov]

This time, it would certainly have died and our fathers and grandfathers, heroes and victors, would have sent him to die on our free endless expanses.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

You are either very young, or a lover of arguing. Who in their right mind would dispute a long-known truth? I have written about this more than once. Including in the article about experts.

[ammunition]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

You are either very young, or a lover to argue

Neither one nor the other .. and I will not argue.
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"Experts" -)) If the Luftwaffe ascribe abs. "superiority" (yes - they are credited!) .. this does not mean that the Wehrmacht in 41-42 (especially the generals of the Wehrmacht) won battle after battle on the basis of postscripts.

[yehat2]

their main superiority was not in the ability to fight, but in the average level of training of soldiers (their army mainly had combat experience, and 2-3 years, passed 6 months of training, participated in exercises) and in logistics, especially with regard to the provision of airfields , the maneuverability of artillery, the presence of 11 divisions completely put on wheels, and the regular supply of tank divisions. (I will remind you that the German TD was actually equal in composition with the Red Army tank corps, and not at all a division)
After Kursk, the USSR counterattacked with only 3 active TCs.
And the Germans in the summer had 41 of them at least 7. That is the advantage.
Another point - the Wehrmacht was at the peak of modernization of the current weapons and it was reliable, and the USSR was caught during the active introduction of weapons, which predetermined constant technical superiority until 43.
Well, the connection. Frankly, we had it shit. What radio stations, what batteries to them, what telephone wires. There was no preparation for encrypted radio communication either. It was very sad in the ground forces with walkie-talkies. At the beginning of the war, they generally tried to throw out radios from fighters, tk. they were of little use, but weighed decently.

[Glory1974]

Well, the connection. Frankly, we had it shit. What radio stations, what batteries to them, what telephone wires. There was no preparation for encrypted radio communication either. It was very sad in the ground forces with walkie-talkies.

We still have problems with communication. But in the Second World War, not everything was so sad.
The communications of the headquarters with the headquarters of the armies and fronts were good, the commanders recognized the speaker by his voice. It was provided on the compaction equipment, at that time it was impossible to listen to it, it can quite be considered an analogue of encrypted communication.
There were not enough radios for the equipment, they put only the command vehicles. But the concept of the battle was such, it was believed that everyone did not need radios.
By the end of the war, the number of soldiers in the signal units had increased from 2 to 10 percent. This indicates that the concept of using forces and means has changed. In general, we can say that Peresypkin and the People's Commissariat of Communications coped with the tasks set.

[tikhonov66]

"... We still have problems with communication.
..."
- Well, again ... this is not "with us", it is YOU - problems ... with communication and with the head.
...
In Chechnya, any "barmaley" with a military radio station listened to the negotiations of our troops.
And today ... - try to listen to "polite people" ...
- This is called PPRCH.
When the transmission frequency 10-20 times per second "jumps" in the range of ten or even hundreds of megahertz. Moreover, she "jumps" - according to a pseudo-random law, which is known only to those who are talking.
- and if the station is captured as a trophy, then it is simply REMOTE DISCONNECTED and turns into a piece of iron ...

- so you can't compose ... dear all-propalschik ... 8-))

And one more story. The beginning of the 90s. First joint exercise with NATO. There is something, several battalions on each side. Ours stretched out the wires, deployed their field telephones ... And the "mattress mates" walk with cell / satellite phones, they offer our signalmen to call their "babies" directly in America - well, they are kind of kidding ... Our signalmen sit quietly - and "do not shine ".
- and suddenly "mattress makers" - somehow ran, ran ... And it is not clear - what's the matter. It turns out: they have a LOST CONNECTION. Well, that is, ALL and COMPLETELY. And our phones - WORK - as if nothing had happened.
- Well - they began to understand. It turned out that our regimental radio station - that of the R-163 type (which on the truck - in the KUNG - a universal body of standard dimensions) - turned around, put the antenna mast and turned on its 50 (fifty!) Kilowatts in the antenna ... No, she did not put no interference! God forbid! She didn't even transmit anything. She simply TURNED ON THE CARRIER so that Moscow would know that she had turned around and was ready for communication ...
8-)))
- and now it is clear what it means to "switch to NATO standards." Well, communication technology is incompatible in our armies - from the word completely ...

[Glory1974]

This is called PPH.
When the transmission frequency 10-20 times per second "jumps" in the range of ten or even hundreds of megahertz. Moreover, she "jumps" - according to a pseudo-random law, which is known only to those who are talking.
- and if the station is captured as a trophy, then it is simply REMOTE DISCONNECTED and turns into a piece of iron ...

Such radio stations were seized in 1995 at the militants' communication center in Goragorsk. In our army, these appeared in 2000. This is for your information.

that our regimental radio station - that of the R-163 type (which on the truck - in the KUNG - a universal body of standard dimensions) - turned around, put the antenna mast and turned on its 50 (fifty!) kilowatts in the antenna ..

Your level of knowledge in communications is clear. In a regimental radio station of the R-140 or R-161A-2m type, a maximum of 1 kW.
15 kW is a high-power radio station for communication between Vladivostok and Moscow approximately.
I'm not even talking about the fact that the frequency range of a satellite phone and a radio station differs thousands of times.
By the way, do you know why they are trying to connect encryption equipment on radio stations with frequency hopping mode? Fools are probably the designers, you can't listen to it

[Glory1974]

We still have problems with communication.
..."
- Well, again ... this is not "with us", it is YOU - problems ... with communication and with the head.

read about the complex "Azart". Now a criminal case is being investigated on these radio stations. We bought walkie-talkies in China, screwed on the nameplate and supplied them to the troops. Rejoice at our incomparable connection further.

[Recon]

read about the complex "Azart". Now a criminal case is being investigated on these radio stations. We bought walkie-talkies in China, screwed on the nameplate and supplied them to the troops. Rejoice at our incomparable connection further.

We have been using them for 5 years, during this time we have changed the sets once. Normal stations, with a modern "telephone", that is, any modern person with an intuitive interface. I will not grovel about its capabilities, but it fulfills its functions. I think they bought electronic filling from the Chinas.

[Vasya the Enemy]

well, what is the connection between the cellular satellite and what you described ??? ... do not carry nonsense

[Vasya the Enemy]

in general, all over the world it is called GSM ... there are the same frequency hopping

[tikhonov66]

"... We had to compensate for this with heroism and dedication ... and blood.
..."
- This is WAR.
and OTHERWISE - there is NOTHING TO "COMPENSATE" - it will not work ...
We want it, our opponents want it.
- and this is materiel!

The German memoirists themselves are talking about this.

Klaus Reinhardt in the book "Turning near Moscow" even about successful
battles of Army Group "Center" in October 1941 writes:
“With the help of quickly taken countermeasures (the actions of the 4th Panzer Brigade of Colonel M.Ye.), the Russians managed to halt the advance of the main forces of the 24th Panzer Corps and inflict such heavy losses on it that Guderian wrote about this: the impact on our officers and soldiers ... And it was not a physical, but a mental shock that could not be overlooked. And the fact that our best officers as a result of the last battles were so severely suppressed was amazing. "

Even an outspoken apologist for the Hitlerite army Paul Carell (pseudonym of SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Paul Karl Schmidt) in the book "Eastern Front" points out the great losses of German troops during the October battles: "Had to be disbanded, and the surviving personnel transferred to the regiments" Deutschland "and" Der Fuehrer "...", "...
The 2nd company of the infantry regiment "Great Germany" was left with 60 people. Sixty out of one hundred and fifty. "

About the 10th Panzer Division of the 40th Panzer Corps, Paul Carell reports that in mid-October 1941 g.

“The division was losing its last strength. When Major General Fischer reported on the actual number of combat-ready soldiers and equipment suitable for use in his unit to his corps commander, General Stumme exclaimed: “My God! Yes, you only have a reinforced reconnaissance patrol. "

By mid-November 1941, according to Paul Carell, “German infantry divisions had lost from 30 to 50 percent of their personnel in the course of non-stop advances and incessant heavy fighting, and only memories remained of the tank divisions that crossed the border in June (no more third of the normal population) ". The commander of Army Group Center, Field Marshal Fyodor von Bock, on November 21, 1941, concluded in his diary that

“… By the number of divisions, judging by this at the green table, the balance of forces is not worse than usual. But the decrease in combat effectiveness - in some companies there were from 20 to 30 people, -
large losses in the command staff and overstrain of people in combination with the cold give an almost completely different picture "

K. Reinhardt writes about the results of the battles near Moscow in October – November 1941:
"Due to heavy losses, Army Group Center was finally forced to go over to the defensive on the entire front. Most of the divisions lost up to half of their original strength. From the beginning of the offensive, November 15, until the end of November, the losses of the Army Group amounted to 33295 people. , and its total losses reached about 350 thousand people. But the material losses could not be compared with the losses of a moral and psychological nature. Counterattacks of Russian divisions caused a real panic among the soldiers in some sectors of the front of the 2nd Panzer Army and the 4th Army. The command was forced to admit that the troops had lost their usual restraint and confidence in success ... "

The representative expressed this idea more clearly
Ministry of Foreign Affairs at the headquarters of the 2nd Army, Count Bossi-Fedrigotti:

“The soldier at the front sees only that every day more and more enemy units appear in front of him, that divisions and regiments, which were considered long dead, again enter the battle, replenished and strengthened, and that, in addition, these Russian troops are superior to us not only in numbers, but also in skill, since they learned German tactics very well. The German soldier at the front sees that the ranks of the army are so thinned that with all the courage it will hardly be possible to oppose the enemy with any significant forces. "

[Zug]

So I wanted to ask everything: By what signs and data do you distinguish a "false historian" from a real historian. I read about this many times and marvel.

[yehat2]

Quote: Zug

So I wanted to ask everything: By what signs and data do you distinguish a "false historian" from a real historian. I read about this many times and marvel.

usually false historians have moments like this
1. Invites him to believe without reference to sources
2. Engaged in blatant forgery and cutting quotes out of context, quotes from dubious or openly false sources.
3. All conclusions are in one direction without considering alternatives.
4. Silences of information to create a one-sided perception
5. Active use of the narrative as a "source". Akunin was especially successful in this - he, as primary sources, uses quotations from his own books, as well as Solzhenitsyn.
6. Tries to undermine objective perception by pressure on emotions. For example, just think, Germany attacked the USSR, but Soviet soldiers in 45g killed a GIRL in Berlin. Here's a typical example. Another example is Powell's flask at the UN before the attack on Iraq.

[Zug]

I agree and support

[Gregory Charnota]

Akunin's mother Berta Isaakovna Brazinskaya, in my opinion everything is very clear
believe a Jew deceive yourself seven times

[Alien From]

I still trample their superiority on the Smolensk land! And I will trample! Thanks to the fathers and grandfathers !!!

[mig29mks]

In one d / f a Wehrmacht veteran was asked who was better than the Germans or the Russians? He replied ; and who took Berlin? Russians! So they were the best!

[VORON538]

We were educated and well trained. We were professionals. Our capabilities far exceeded those of the Russians. (C)
But that terrible war was ended by a Soviet soldier in Berlin, not a German soldier in Moscow.

[Gado]

I do not understand - and who is interested in the memories of a narcissistic soldier of a long-broken army? Or is it a way to remind you of the "adventures of a German soldier" in a foreign land? Or is it an "alternative" point of view of someone there, like the German Navalny, or what?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Gado

who cares about the memories of a narcissistic soldier of a long-shattered army?

And weren't these memoirs carefully edited and prepared as an element of propaganda for the superiority of the "progressive West" over "defective Russia" in the context of ideological struggle and pressure?

[Gado]

Yes, even so, what kind of "material" on VO, what they are trying to instill in us, this is not clear.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Insurgent

And weren't these memoirs carefully edited and prepared as an element of propaganda for the superiority of the "progressive West" over "defective Russia" in the context of ideological struggle and pressure?

Well, if individually, then you can also say young, stupid, intoxicated by Nazi propaganda. But when books begin to be published, about the "blond knight" who is Hartman, or the memories of the pilot Stuka, I apologize to Baron Munchausen-Ruedel, the memories of all these beaten felmashals, great tank aces. Not the great artellerists, then you begin to understand that this propaganda machine against our country was launched immediately after the war ... And in response, what? And in response, the Penalty Battalion, Bastards. T-34 and like the cherry on the cake Podolsk cadets ...

[mat-vey]

Quote: Fitter65

..And what is the answer? And in response, the Penalty Battalion, Bastards. T-34 and like the cherry on the cake Podolsk cadets ...

Now "Zoya" claims this place ...

[Fitter65]

Quote: mat-vey

Now "Zoya" claims this place ...

Honestly, I didn’t get over it, and judging by the feedback from numerous viewers, I won’t watch it.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Fitter65

Honestly, I didn’t get over it, and judging by the feedback from numerous viewers, I won’t watch it.

I also had enough reviews of other brave and hardy ... although nothing else was expected ..

[Fitter65]

... If the creators would focus on air combat and neglect everyday moments, it would be a fat minus. But in my opinion, the life of the air regiment is shown quite realistically. And the barracks, and the guardhouse, and the headquarters look the same as it was 70 years ago. The production designer coped with his task.

This is one of the series

I myself am a historian by training and I love history.

Gives an assessment of "like a movie" -Fighters, which then generally started acting as Stormtroopers. The main thing is that the barracks and the headquarters, the whole life, all the little things are artistically correct !!! The main thing is that outwardly everything is beautiful, but the fact that the essence of complete rot is no longer so important. As one head of one advertising agency said when she was asked, why do many designers by May 9 put photos and images of Nazi tanks, German soldiers and planes on posters (I can do them the old fashioned way) - The answer was amazing - well, probably German photos are just better quality !!! ... We keep extinguishing the candles. The essence is not important to them, they do not even understand what they are doing, so in a couple of months we will look in which city the next advertiser-designer will convey - "Hello to the liberators of Kharkov, from the Nazi invaders. .. "

[mat-vey]

Quote: Fitter65

Gives a "movie-like" rating -Fighters

Here I personally saw this "masterpiece" worse and worse (((... Not all, not all I am not such a hero ..

[tikhonov66]

"... But in my opinion the life of the air regiment is shown quite realistically.
..."
- three times HA!
"the life of the air regiment ... quite realistic" is shown in the OLD SOVIET films:
- "Chronicle of a dive bomber"
- "Only old men go to battle"
Those were the films! Life is REAL there.
Review and compare with modern "do-it-yourselfers".

- Eh, youth, youth ... Do you know what is the hardest thing in our work (mechanics)?
- At minus thirty, dig into the engine.
- She ... - The hardest thing in our work is to wait !.
...
- (young pilot) What, don't you like me? Why are you looking at me like that?
- (mechanic) You are my fifth.
...
They can't fly, they can't shoot ... they don't know how yet, but the eagles!
...
Departure in 12 minutes. Do not take the boys. Only "old men" go into battle! ...
And after three months - The remaining TWO out of ten are already "old people" ...
...
- Where to fly in such weather?
- Forward! To the west! Listen, Makarych, there are persistent rumors at Hitler's headquarters that some irresponsible mechanics are baptizing some Soviet falcons before departure.
- In the rate of Hitler all scatty.

Then there were still LIVE WITNESSES.

[Fitter65]

Quote: tikhonov66

(mechanic) You are my fifth.

And what regiment does the mechanic have? Yes, and such an option, why did you decide that all the pilots were killed? And the variant was wounded, went for an increase, and 47,56 variants, and so by the way, the "owner of the plane" was a technician, what then what now.

Quote: tikhonov66

And after three months - The remaining TWO out of ten are already "old people"

Not exactly two, and it was 6 and not 10, and it’s not a fact that everyone went to the same squadron. And for the whole film Smugyanka and Romeo died from the young, from the old Skvortsov, well, "Maestro" himself was shot down twice, the first once on La-5, second on Messer

Quote: tikhonov66

Then there were still LIVE WITNESSES.

And in the presence of living witnesses and excellent consultants in this film, which is not a document, there are many blunders. First, Makarych complains that the STORER (?) Does not give him a fitting (fitting-branch pipe for connecting a pipeline, tanks, valves and other parts of gas and liquid transmission and conversion systems.
The name nipple is used to distinguish threaded nipples from others and to distinguish those with an external thread from those with an internal one, calling the latter nipples with a nut.)
The question is why he needs a STUTZER - if one of the troubles of domestic aircraft engines were spark plugs, and secondly, "the storekeeper does not give" - ​​well, on what basis should he issue them, if there is no order, invoice, etc., etc. Let's start with the fact that if there is a leak of fuel, oil from any connection, the technician, if he cannot fix the problem on his own, is obliged to report the malfunction to the squadron engineer, the engineer examines, gives the command, roughly speaking these clogged fittings, this is no longer Makarych's problem. Well, such a phrase from Titarenko- "A, Orenburg, take-off and landing" ... We open- Orenburg Higher Military Aviation Red Banner Pilot School named after I.S.Polbin (OVVAKUL) we read history, and the most interesting thing is that the Orenburg school prepared

since 1942 - mainly attack pilots on Il-2 aircraft.

, and young fighter pilots, judging by the presence of epaulettes and the state of nature, as well as the exclamation of a comessian-We flew over my native Ukraine "not earlier than August 1943, came in the film ... In general, documentary confirmation does not pull, and even more so the fact that all the little things are given artistically right, just for the skoryak and so many inconsistencies. The main thing is correctly shown "insides", the very essence is what is important, but this is not understood by the present ...
https://xn--80ada7afn3b.xn--p1ai/istoriya-uchilishcha/velikaya-otechestvennaya-vojna
© Site of the Orenburg Flight School 2017

Quote: tikhonov66

"Chronicle of a dive bomber"

This is my favorite film ... By the way, this masterpiece also has some bloopers, for example, a German broke the left wing, and a technician inspects the left .. But once again I repeat the very essence, the very spirit of that time was conveyed as it was. This very essence is well captured in Panfilov's 28 ...

[Fitter65]

Quote: Fitter65

for example, a German broke through the left wing, and a technician inspects the left.

Technician examines the right

[Podvodnik]

The hardest part of our job is to wait!

An excellent role played by Smirnov. And half of the movie for quotes.

[Free wind]

Just wondering what kind of tank shot Rudel's hind leg. Moreover, he himself did not understand this.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Gado

Or is it a way to remind you of the "adventures of a German soldier" in a foreign land?

there is not a single phrase how they "fought" with the civilian population, how they shot a hundred for each German soldier, how they methodically seized a settlement, cleaned out the population and necessarily burned the local library ... Reminds the German chronicle for the inhabitants of Germany 41-42gg. Now it serves to replace historical memory. This means that the German Muhammads began to instill thoughts of a war with Russia.

[rocket757]

They surpassed, by gayropeyskie standards .... and the east, the thing is, for the Nazis it turned out to be the final.

[paul3390]

Somewhat reminiscent of the memories of the unforgettable Manstein .. On the first day we knocked out 300 Russian tanks, on the second 500, on the third we retreated 400 kilometers in an organized manner ..

[Insurgent]

Quote: paul3390

Somewhat reminiscent of the memories of the unforgettable Manstein .. On the first day we knocked out 300 Russian tanks, on the second 500, on the third we retreated 400 kilometers in an organized manner ..

... retreated 400 kilometers in an organized manner per day, because there are no tanks left either ...

[leks]

Quote: Gado

I do not understand - and who is interested in the memories of a narcissistic soldier of a long-broken army? Or is it a way to remind you of the "adventures of a German soldier" in a foreign land? Or is it an "alternative" point of view of someone there, like the German Navalny, or what?

Yes, many people are interested, there is a very good Russian-language channel on YouTube, the name "To be remembered" through which the memories of the Nazis, as well as our veterans, are told.

[Lech from Android.]

Read better than Peter Neumann ... Black March.
There you will learn how convinced Nazi executioners were raised in Nazi Germany. Some passages of this SS man's memories are simply impossible to read without a shudder; crimes against our people were in the order of things for them.
Nazism is a crime in its purest form, any Nazi is a ready criminal ... A murderer and executioner of innocent people.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Read better than Peter Neumann ... Black March.

it is a rather low-standard horror fiction composed by the Frenchman Georges Bernage. This "artistic" blizzard has nothing to do with documentary filmmaking and, moreover, with memoiristics. By the way, the well-known Ovid Gorchakov parasitized well on it.

Quote: Lech from Android.

Some passages of this SS man's memories are simply impossible to read without shuddering.

Yes, the guardian wrote a lot of "details" For example, that the training cadets who did not manage to meet the standard during the exercises and open a full-profile trench were crushed with a tank.

Quote: Lech from Android.

Nazism is a crime in its purest form

And no one argues with this, but unconditionally believe the panoidal delirium of this supposedly "Peter Neumann" in a person who is more or less interested in history will not even have a thought.

[Lech from Android.]

Perhaps you are right, I would like not to believe him. To dig further the history of the SS in Germany is morally difficult. I read documents about concentration camps in Germany where SS men were trained, it is difficult to maintain composure here, there is so much abomination there ...

[Prisoner]

From the same poor fellow. The Russians are somehow wrong. Is it right to kick those whose capabilities "exceeded the capabilities of the Russians"? Oh-oh-very uncivilized. What did they think about when they drove "civilized" Europe away from their father's house with pedals in their national apartments, and their leader in Berlin was brought to self-destruction?

[Cowbra]

Wherever we are sent

It seems that in the end they were already sent by the Russians, and they piled so many gifts on the road that they did not carry them away.

Recall that on this very Eastern Front, units of this division took part in the battles near Tula

But we have always faced the elite units of the Red Army

Yes Yes. especially near Tula. The militia is solid

[Konnick]

Wherever we are sent


It seems that in the end they were already sent by the Russians, and they piled so many gifts on the road that they did not carry them away.
Recall that on this very Eastern Front, units of this division took part in the battles near Tula

But we have always faced the elite units of the Red Army

Yes Yes. especially near Tula. The militia is solid

Not really, in the early days of the Tula defensive operation, October 20 - November 2, when Guderian's tanks and the Great Germany regiment were conducting continuous attacks in an attempt to take Tula descent, the city was defended by elite units, this is the 69th NKVD brigade, which, together with The Tula workers' regiment, the 732th anti-aircraft artillery regiment and some other units (including those brought together from the scattered ones after the retreat) managed to hold the defense until the arrival of reinforcements. The most active part in repelling the first strike was taken by the 156th regiment of the NKVD troops of the 69th brigade, which fought on the southern approaches to Tula, the 115th separate battalion, which covered the retreat of 49th army units to a new defensive line in the direction of Aleksin and 180- 40st NKVD regiment defending Stalinogorsk. And the "solid militia" is the Tula workers' regiment, from the workers in the storerooms of the Tula arms factory, all armed with SVT-XNUMX of its own production, and these workers could handle weapons very well and this regiment was more than capable of combat. And it is not necessary to belittle the enemy, and this enemy was not more serious. The victory came at a high price.

[Cowbra]

Well, what are you talking about. see for yourself? "156th regiment of the NKVD" - did you like the "NKVD" there? And the fact that this VOKHR, the watchman, did not bother you ?! They catch thugs from the factory, they are sharpened, and not stopping tanks!

180th regiment of the NKVD troops

- vohra again!
In the direction to Aleksin - Serpukhov cadets, "elite", dear mother! Guys, that they haven't even really learned to write yet. Exactly that there was a hole, hastily plugged up by the militia

[t-12]

According to it, it turns out that the German division was near Voronezh and Tula, so that "the Germans could live" ...

[beeper]

Hitler's "pan-European" creatures from the 6th company (apparently militant rear servicemen-repairmen, since a shaft from some car hangs on the cargo hoist of a mobile arched lift) with their idiot Hauptmann (probably a WWI veteran) dragged the classroom from the village school board for his murderous "gothic":
"2.10.41 Russians must die for us to live" ....
I am thinking about whether they were so "photo-documented" in my native village ?!

The only good news is that many of these arrogant invaders, soon after the pretentious "photo session", fertilized our Russian land! And it serves them right, and every foolish "kolyamsurengoy"!

[Rurikovich]

If we take into account precisely military skill, then the half-war Germans outnumbered us. This must be admitted. Due to tactical flexibility, due to the excellent interaction of the combat arms, due to communications. All the same, we reached Stalingrad. But already in 43, when we learned to fight competently (relatively), when we began to think with our heads, we drove back the "defenders of Germany." Therefore, he is right to some extent. But the move is not important, but the result is important. The result is known to everyone - we took Berlin. Liberators can sing as much as they want about monstrous wasted sacrifices - this will not change the result. We were the first to receive a slap in the face, we held out, studied the enemy and went on the attack. Because the Germans today can boast as much as they want - we will only smile condescendingly and say "well, well" in response ...

[Alien From]

I agree with you! And one more moment, these creatures came to OUR land, they had no mercy, no, and will not be!

[Maks1995]

What did you want? Whiner and all-propan? And there are such people.

To read the memoirs of some of our military commanders - this is how the Germans were destroyed 5 times in succession. Such are their losses ...

The other is interesting. Memoirs of a SOLDIER. And here it is a rarity, mostly higher officers are known.
And in the photo, organizations of veterans of the USSR and countries. We have fat generals and colonels. They have skinny privates, sergeants, and lieutenants ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Max1995

The other is interesting. Memoirs of a SOLDIER. And here it is a rarity, mostly higher officers are known.

Sayer Guy writes quite well "The Last Soldier of the Third Reich", and there are still many series of books about WWII from soldiers of the "other side", i.e. Germans, and namely privates and junior officers. Where the war is described without embellishment.

[Sentinel-vs]

Have you at least looked for the memoirs of our soldiers, what would you say like that?
https://iremember.ru/ например
Your last sentence is generally disgusting.

[Maks1995]

1) Yes. But mainly military leaders are known and quoted.
2) In Moscow, near Kropotkinskaya, there were stands of the Veterans' Organization. 80-90s.
Photo of the meeting of the veterans of the USSR and the USA. Generals, colonels - privates, sergeants mostly. The captain is the same for us and for them. Dense - thin.
Then it amazed.

[Prisoner]

You need to read more, then you won't write any ..., any heresy. I suspect that you have not read the memoirs either. ps With theirs feeding it is no wonder to grow thin.

[tikhonov66]

"... Another interesting thing. Memoirs of a SOLDIER. And here it is a rarity, mostly higher officers are known.
..."
- again you all LIE.
- Seek - yes find!
https://iremember.ru. (под списком военных специальностей - нажмите кнопочку "показать все" - и будет вам ЕЩЕ 20 военных специальностей)
There are a lot of soldiers' memories too!
And if you want "they were known" - so read it yourself and tell others.

[tihonmarine]

More than twisted logic. According to it, it turns out that the German division was near Voronezh and Tula, so that "the Germans could live" ... For some reason they did not live in their own homeland

What is he dreaming of now, the "collective west", together with the Germans, who fought against the USSR. Although by 1944 only Germany and Hungary remained from this "collective" west, and the rest swore friendship and loyalty to Stalin in a united crowd.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

I've read a bunch of German memoirs. There is rarely an objective assessment of events, mainly drumming and unbridled boasting. And their defeats are explained by three factors: 1) The huge numerical superiority of the Russians (of course, a million ... no, a billion wild Russian Asians acted against each German regiment); 2) Russian frosts (especially terrible cold was in July 1943 near Kursk and in June 1944 in Belarus); 3) Stupid Hitler (it is, of course, if a memoirist from the chief lieutenants stood at the head of Germany, then of course he would have won). One German pilot in his memoirs boasted of his victories over the Russian aces, but at the same time modestly kept silent that he himself was shot down three times.

[Ros 56]

And at the end, Hitler sent them to Berlin to defend the Reichstag. But as elsewhere, they did not fulfill their task and did very fluidly. This is the story of a Nazi braggart. And what the hell is this on?

[Fedorovich]

Well, yes, of course, they were opposed by elite units, that's right always ...

[Edvid]

It was only because of Stalin's pathological self-confidence that the USSR barely resisted the invasion of fascist Europe. The country was saved by a large territory, cold weather for 41 years, unprecedented endurance of the people, over-centralization of power. The absence of even one of these factors would lead to a worse end.

[Petrograd]

Again tales about General Frost, bad roads and the overwhelming of German troops with millions of corpses of the Red Army

[Roman 57 rus]

He probably went through the war with a turn or a privateer?

[Petrograd]

Dovy-s (quarreling for obscenities) superpeople with boogers in but only the march of the Soviet victorious soldiers was in Berlin, and they did not walk around Moscow, although they walked, as tattered half-alive, maddening creatures

[modun]

Again the hats are thrown up. And they forgot about Lend-Lease, 1941-1943. We can say, they threw corpses

[mat-vey]

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[Sergey39]

Let - this Nazi from Wafen SS, rest in ashes, like many divisions of the Wehrmacht on the eastern front! (((

[Voenoboz]

The grandfathers of our peoples, heroes, were able to break the back of civilized fascism and their accomplices, once again proving that any attempts to kill the peoples of Russia will be punished by these peoples.

[zimzinov]

Stalin only followed this German division and watched to send an elite one to meet them. The stupid German never realized that any well-armed Russian division would seem elite to them. Stupid and arrogant Fritz who got in the head in Russia.

[sleeve]

Win the most important - border battles, break through the second echelon practically "for free", tear up all front-line logistics and defeat the entire personnel army and ... meet victory in Berlin. In his Berlin, someone else's victory. They can wipe away with their pathos. Anyone whose brain is not corroded like Dutch cheese will calmly say: "It was a worthy opponent." And then it will be silent. And the one who should be silent, who has guerrilla gallows and burnt villages behind him, is the singer of his beloved ...

[Kostadinov]

The German memoirs can be summarized as follows: "We went from victory to victory until our unconditional surrender."

[Pardus]

from the pathetic memories of a German soldier

I have read several such memoirs. Well, as I read ... I tried to read. I can't read Russophobic nonsense. I got the feeling that their memoirs have two authors. One is a German soldier himself, and the second is the one who edited the text of the memoirs.

[Sese Seko Mobutu]

Here you need to understand that in Germany there is a tradition of military memoirs (in other words, the track along which they are written), and all memoirs follow this track. What if all the German military were idiots! (That is, in general, they were normal people, but idiots). In this case, most likely, this is not even a personal memoir, but something like a history of the connection. (Well, the author was like a historiographer, and then in retirement he wrote what happened when there was nothing to do). Here, in my opinion, it is important to pay attention not to what he says, but to the background - what is communicated in passing.

[Sese Seko Mobutu]

What is curious is the remark that "I constantly met with the elite units of the Red Army." In reality, this, of course, could not be. But if we remember that the ratio of losses for the Germans on the eastern front even in 1941 was 2-3 times worse (in terms of manpower and equipment) than in 1939-40 on the western front, the meaning becomes clear.