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Italian Navy aircraft carrier commander: "To see F-35B fighters on the deck of our ship is a remarkable achievement"

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The American fifth-generation F-35B fighters were deployed some time ago for training on the deck of the Italian aircraft carrier Cavour. This is the flagship of the Italian Navy, which was introduced into the fleet in 2009, however, at this time, the official Rome was not really able to explain to ordinary Italians for which specific operations the country's Navy was going to use this aircraft-carrying ship. In addition, there were problems with the uncertainty of the composition of the wing. We decided to operate the AV-8B Harrier II vertical takeoff attack aircraft.


For a long time, negotiations were underway with the United States to consider the possibility of supplying F-35B fighters. But unsuccessfully.

Now a pair of fifth-generation fighters from the US Navy have arrived on the Italian aircraft carrier, which has come a long way on its own. The planes were transferred from Patuxent River Base (Maryland).

The test group includes 180 people representing the personnel of the said American base. In total, the tests will last until the end of March.

According to Cavour Commander Giancarlo Chappina, "seeing the 5th generation F-35B fighters on the deck of our ship is a remarkable achievement for all of us."

US Navy Aircraft Carrier Commander:

This is truly an outstanding success, but at the same time a new challenge for the future of the Italian naval aviation.

It is known that the aircraft carrier left its home port at the end of January and headed to the Mediterranean Sea, from where after a while it proceeded to the Atlantic Ocean. During the training, the aforementioned Harrier deck attack aircraft were already involved. The aircraft carrier Cavour then made it to the US Navy base in Norfolk. There they discussed all the nuances of training using the F-35B, which will be controlled by the pilots of the US naval aviation. The agreements themselves were reached earlier.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 3 March 2021 18: 47
    +1
    Since Mohammed does not want to go to the mountain, the mountain will come to Mohammed in the "beaver" pose.
    1. figwam
      figwam 3 March 2021 19: 43
      0
      official Rome could not really explain to ordinary Italians for what specific operations the country's navy is going to use this aircraft carrier.

      The aircraft carrier will work in the interests of NATO, and specifically the United States, here are the penguins and buffs.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 3 March 2021 19: 50
        0
        Even I don't understand, Voyaka here says that Italians collect them too. I'm completely confused. Which penguins are good and which are bad. Which ones fly and which bodies hide on the ground. A good plane cannot be called a penguin! lol
        1. Temples
          Temples 3 March 2021 20: 00
          +4
          This is a truly outstanding success.

          This is nonsense bordering on insanity. fellow
          Is it Italy's success that an American plane landed on the deck of an Italian aircraft carrier? winked

          An overwhelming success. wassat
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 4 March 2021 01: 11
            +1
            Quote: Temples
            This is a truly outstanding success.

            This is nonsense bordering on insanity. fellow
            Is it Italy's success that an American plane landed on the deck of an Italian aircraft carrier? winked

            An overwhelming success. wassat

            good Well, these are the successes today. laughing
          2. bayard
            bayard 4 March 2021 02: 00
            0
            Quote: Temples
            This is nonsense bordering on insanity.
            Is it Italy's success that an American plane landed on the deck of an Italian aircraft carrier?

            It's just that the Italians really wanted to get the F-35B, but they were refused. And now it seems to have agreed.
            By the way, it was the F-35V VTOL aircraft that turned out quite well (for this type of aircraft) and having one on an aircraft carrier without a catapult and finishers is a very good option.
            And yes, NATO is our enemy and there is no need to rejoice for their successes.
          3. Romario_Argo
            Romario_Argo 4 March 2021 13: 37
            +1
            Is it Italy's success that an American plane landed on the deck of an Italian aircraft carrier?

            The question is different (!) When our new VTOL aircraft, which are being developed, will sit on the deck of our TAVKR
        2. figwam
          figwam 3 March 2021 20: 08
          0
          Quote: tralflot1832
          I'm completely confused. What are the good penguins

          All penguins are bad, new ones are added to all unresolved problems, including problems with overheating of the engine blades from which the coating cracks and peels off, after which the engine needs to be changed and they are not enough, the price of the aircraft is steadily growing, the combat readiness is falling, these problems will soon lead to a stop production and development of a new aircraft.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 3 March 2021 20: 13
            -4
            And this is not Trump's shit, because he simply demanded that the price of the plane be reduced, which is why they were reduced at the expense of quality.
          2. raw174
            raw174 3 March 2021 21: 06
            +3
            Quote: figvam
            All penguins are bad, new ones are added to all unsolved problems

            And nevertheless, this aircraft for today is the only aircraft of the 5th generation that has real combat experience. They actually used weapons, including against military facilities in the SAR, and, moreover, with impunity. Even if half does not take off, there are still a lot of them, today we have nothing to oppose the NATO Air Force. Although we have enough hats for everyone.
            1. figwam
              figwam 3 March 2021 21: 15
              +2
              Quote: raw174
              this aircraft for today is the only 5th generation aircraft that has real combat experience.

              Our Su-57 used weapons in Syria in real combat.
              Quote: raw174
              there are still a lot of them, today we have nothing to oppose the NATO Air Force. Although we have enough hats for everyone.

              We always have layered air defense systems to protect and support aviation, and we have enough missiles for them.
              1. raw174
                raw174 4 March 2021 06: 44
                -1
                Quote: figvam
                Our Su-57 used weapons in Syria in real combat.

                Well, this is not the case, since it is not supplied serially to the troops, but is being tested ...
                Quote: figvam
                We always have layered air defense systems to protect and support aviation, and we have enough missiles for them.

                I would like to hope that this is enough, but in addition to aviation, they have missiles and other drones, but this is not the point, whatever one may say, the US aviation and navy are head and shoulders above ours.
                1. figwam
                  figwam 4 March 2021 13: 16
                  -1
                  Quote: raw174
                  Well, this is not the case, since it is not supplied serially to the troops, but is being tested ...

                  Maybe I'll tell you a secret, but the first serial was put into service in January.
        3. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 3 March 2021 20: 10
          +1
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Even I don't understand, Voyaka here says that Italians collect them too. I'm completely confused. Which penguins are good and which are bad. Which ones fly and which bodies hide on the ground. A good plane cannot be called a penguin! lol


          All are bad because they are expensive, especially when servicing.

          .they will give way to the fifth generation fighter, the F-35. As noted by the publication "Military Watch", because of this, the combat readiness of the Air Force will significantly decrease, including because of the colossal funds for their maintenance. Well, on the actual production of the F-35A, where one unit for the US Air Force will have to pay $ 83,4 million. The F-35 B (with a short takeoff and vertical landing) costs 108,1 million, and the F-35C (carrier-based fighter) 93,3 million.


          Poor quality. The ability to perform combat missions because of the jambs is in doubt.
          ... The F-35 already had 966 critical flaws during active operation. 111 defects belong to the first category of complexity (they can lead to death, serious injury, occupational diseases, and 855 to the second (malfunction of individual structural elements and on-board systems). At the same time, Pentagon officials corrected the reporting, underestimating the number of shortcomings of the first and second categories in no way taking care of improving the final engineering design.

          One of the critical shortcomings of the F-35 is, for example, a malfunction of the emergency system. When a pilot is ejected, the radar identification complex does not send an automatic signal to the ground control radar and dispatchers do not receive information about the incident. Another serious defect was found in the weapon control system - the pilots cannot confirm the coordinates of a ground target, which reduces the effectiveness and accuracy of bombing. Experts believe that each individual deficiency does not impede the operation of the aircraft, but in the aggregate, the defects can affect flight safety and "significantly increase the likelihood that the aircraft will not be able to perform the required mission."

          https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/283222/
          1. Artem76
            Artem76 3 March 2021 23: 37
            0
            Well, if they have software based on "Windows 10 Home", then ... Gates rules shorter .... laughing
        4. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 3 March 2021 23: 56
          0
          Quote: tralflot1832
          I am completely confused. Which penguins are good and which are bad. Which ones fly and which ones hide their bodies on the ground.

          Cho, don't penguins fly? The Air Force says that they still fly ...
        5. ironic
          ironic 4 March 2021 18: 36
          0
          So this one on the VO forum is bad. And so he is quite beyond the limits of the forum. wink laughing
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 March 2021 21: 07
        0
        Quote: figvam
        The aircraft carrier will work in the interests of NATO, and specifically the United States, here are the penguins and buffs.

        What the owner ordered, the Italians have done, not their own day to invest in the aircraft carrier fleet, it's time to attract vassals.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 3 March 2021 20: 01
      +4
      Italian Navy aircraft carrier commander: "To see F-35B fighters on the deck of our ship is a remarkable achievement"

      Louder, commander! Behind the puddle, not everyone heard laughing
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot 3 March 2021 22: 24
      -1
      "To see F-35B fighters on the deck of our ship is a remarkable achievement."

      Uh! Don't fire up the office, Signor Officer! They are INVISIBLE!
      Achievement, there is nothing to say bully
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 3 March 2021 18: 52
    -1
    We wouldn't run into the same problems !!!
    Everything should be done in a complex, one to the other!
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 3 March 2021 18: 57
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      We wouldn't run into the same problems !!!
      Everything should be done in a complex, one to the other!


      We do not swoop in. We won't buy the F-35. That's the whole point of his problems.
      After 20 agonizing years of development and refinement of the fifth-generation F-35 Lightning II fighter, the US Air Force management finally admitted: this aircraft is too expensive and unreliable for service, writes Forbes. It will never become the F-16 replacement workhorse as originally planned.

      "The F-35 remains, in every sense, nothing more than an expensive prototype launched into mass production," says government oversight project officer Dan Grazer, based on a recent US Department of Defense report. Grazer identified four main problems with Lightning II. First, a simulation environment has not yet been created in which a fighter in peacetime could prove its effectiveness - that is, the ability to withstand existing threats and air defense systems. For the six years that have passed since the adoption of the fighter into service, such a simulator has not been made. The second - the F-35 became the record holder in terms of failures and malfunctions. Engineers do not have time to eliminate one defect, as a new one is discovered. The aircraft still has 871 major flaws - two fewer than last year. Ten of them are classified as critical, that is, they can lead to death, serious injury or loss of the weapon system.




      For many years, one of the main challenges of the project has been the ALIS cloud-based maintenance and parts network. In theory, she monitored the condition of a particular aircraft, reminded about the need for maintenance and repair, ordered spare parts. In fact, it did not work. In 2020, the authors of the project admitted defeat and disabled ALIS.



      the main thing is that the F-35 project is based not on the necessary combat qualities of the future fighter, but on the requirements of technology: new sensors, radio-absorbing coatings and fancy cockpit equipment. The aircraft's fundamental flaws were originally incorporated into its design. As an example, Grazier cites the A-10 attack aircraft, which is inexpensive and reliable. This is a ground support aircraft, therefore, it must be able to fly low, have a powerful cannon and a large number of weapons under its wings. And that's it: you don't need any supersonic speed, no ability to take off from an aircraft carrier, nothing more than what is necessary to perform basic tasks. With Lightning II, the opposite happened: the designers took a lot of untested, but spectacular technologies and began to think about how to dazzle an airplane out of them.

      https://vpk.name/news/489173_forbes_vvs_ssha_priznali_proval_proekta_f-35.html
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 3 March 2021 19: 12
        -3
        I don’t understand one thing that the US media pounced on the penguin, probably they know something? Who pays for this banquet. With enviable constancy, once a week, someone propesochit. Jews are a separate topic, “don’t look a gift horse.”
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 3 March 2021 19: 49
          +2
          share the pie. Trump was for some aircraft manufacturers, Biden's collective for other decisions through other banks or firms.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 3 March 2021 20: 05
            -1
            Trump for Boeing, Biden for Lockheed?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 3 March 2021 21: 10
              +2
              Quote: tralflot1832
              Trump for Boeing, Biden for Lockheed?

              New broom, new sidekick You have to suck on the cake like a calf to a cow.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 3 March 2021 19: 14
        +3
        Israel ordered another squadron (with all 871 defects that do not interfere with combat missions, oddly enough).
        Only a layman could compare the F-35 with the A-10.
        The A-10 can only operate on an area completely cleared of air defense. It is shot down by any MANPADS
        F-35, on the contrary, are sent to areas of deep saturated air defense, and they return without loss. They simply do not open fire on them. Only on their rockets and bombs, after the first explosions on the ground, when it is usually too late.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 3 March 2021 19: 23
          +1
          They simply do not open fire on them. Only on their rockets and bombs, after the first explosions on the ground, when it is usually too late.

          S-400s do not open fire on F-35s because of the political agreement between Israel and Russia, and not because they do not see the F-35 or because of outdated air defense systems like Syria, I do not mean Buki and Pantsiri, since the latter Air defense of medium, short range in the detection zone of which the F-35 is not included. So for a war with weak countries, the F-35 will go.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 3 March 2021 19: 30
            +1
            Israel has no political agreements with Iran. But the F-35s flew over the Iranian S-300s calmly and scanned (in other words) the objects with radars. The Iranian air defense commander was dismissed two weeks later when an overflight of Iranian territory was revealed.
            ---
            The F-35 is a complex and expensive aircraft to maintain. But it pays for itself in mission-critical missions.
            1. Temples
              Temples 3 March 2021 20: 09
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Only a layman could compare the F-35 with the A-10.

              Only the layman did not understand what was written about.

              For those who are on the steam locomotive:
              Previously, aircraft were created according to the requirements of the military. The manufacturer provided the aircraft performance characteristics necessary for the military.
              An example is the warthog. No breakthrough technologies. Reliable and efficient

              In the case of the F-35, the picture is different. Computer technology, a booth with a bunch of screens, Internet access, Wi-Fi, bluetooth, jeepies, twitter, minecraft, karaoke ... Beautiful and super-duper technologically advanced. It remains to figure out what to do with all this splendor.

              The Jews came up with the idea of ​​bombing the defenseless.
              But these bombings can be carried out with the F-16.
              With the same success. wink
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 3 March 2021 20: 28
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              But the F-35 over the Iranian S-300 flew quietly and scanned (in other words) the objects with radars.

              This is according to a Kuwaiti newspaper.
        2. Thrifty
          Thrifty 3 March 2021 19: 23
          +1
          Warrior, in what country in the world did this metal scrap manage to overcome the modern air defense-missile defense system and return to the base intact in combat conditions? In real combat, the lifetime of your aviafitish will disappear in seconds! You are sending them against countries that do not have a MODERN air defense system! !!
        3. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 3 March 2021 19: 25
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Only a layman could compare the F-35 with the A-10.

          And who compares? Have come up with it yourself, and then refute it ...?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 3 March 2021 19: 33
            +2
            "As an example, Grazier cites the A-10 attack aircraft, which is inexpensive and reliable. It is a ground support aircraft." ///
            ---
            Read the posts of my opponents.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 3 March 2021 19: 49
              -1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              "As an example, Grazier cites the A-10 attack aircraft, which is inexpensive and reliable. It is a ground support aircraft." ///
              ---
              Read the posts of my opponents.

              The essence of the comparison is that the F-35 is not based on the necessary fighting qualities of the future fighter, like the A-10, which regularly performs the functions assigned to it with high quality and not expensive, but the opposite happened in the Lightning II: the designers took a lot of untested, but effective technologies and began to think how to make an airplane out of them. That is, initially they chased two birds with one stone, trying to endow him with all sorts of functions and, as a result, did not catch one. So they did not blind the car for all occasions and now they do not know what to do with it, since it is expensive and those necessary qualities of a workhorse like that of The same F-16 was not received. It turned out to be expensive and about nothing, moreover, all the time shoals climb out here and there, which have not yet been fixed. That is, the A-10 performs the duties required of him, but the F-35 does not. The F-35 does not catch mice. Here's the gist of the comparison. The workhorse of the F-35 did not work out.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 3 March 2021 19: 53
                0
                "That is, the A-10 performs the duties required of him, but the F-35 does not. The F-35 does not catch mice. This is the essence of the comparison. The workhorse of the F-35 did not work out" ///
                ---
                F-35 and A-10 catch different mice in completely different situations. smile
                Israel will have a hundred F-35s. F-16s are on sale now. And the F-35 will be the only workhorse. And she has been catching "mice" for almost two years now, very successfully.
        4. Cowbra
          Cowbra 3 March 2021 19: 27
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Israel ordered another squadron

          Life is bad without a sucker. Either they will vparyat radioactive helicopters to the isoail, or the F-35, which they themselves are already rejecting. then Pegasus tankers, from which the US Air Force simply categorically refused - up to the hiring of privateers to refuel combat aircraft ...
          In short, you will be instead of rabbits. Subjects
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 3 March 2021 19: 35
            +1
            They do not look at a given horse's teeth. The Americans give Israel this free of charge as an aid to an ally. So the rules.
          2. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 3 March 2021 20: 09
            -3
            They never admit that their adir is the same penguin but in places Israeli.
        5. Dread
          Dread 3 March 2021 19: 33
          -3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          F-35, on the contrary, are sent to areas of deep saturated air defense, and they return without loss.

          Alexey - calculate at what distance will be detected and shot down
          F-35 fighter Su-35S, never reaching the line of use of its longest-range RVV-BD AIM-120
          D = 180 km. And don't write your nonsense from Lockheed-Martin commercials. For calculation - for
          F-35 EOP = 0,3 m2 ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 3 March 2021 19: 40
            +1
            Israel would never buy an airplane with image intensifier = 0.3 m2. It would be completely pointless. 0.3 is not stealth, but semi-stealth, compared to the "Christmas trees": F-15 and Su-35.
            The EOP F-35 is smaller than that of the F-22. Comparable to the V-2 in the centimeter range (but the F-35 is noticeable in the meter range, in contrast to the V-2).
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 4 March 2021 05: 22
              0
              The EOP F-35 is smaller than that of the F-22. Comparable to the V-2 in the centimeter range (but the F-35 is noticeable in the meter range, in contrast to the V-2).

              haha, Aleksey, where are you with the jokes, there is still a month before April 1! laughing
        6. figwam
          figwam 3 March 2021 19: 46
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          F-35, on the contrary, are sent to areas of deep saturated air defense, and they return without loss.

          And what did the F-35 see modern air defense?))) Another propaganda of the failed aircraft.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 3 March 2021 21: 21
            -1
            Quote: figvam
            And what did the F-35 see modern air defense?))) Another propaganda of the failed aircraft.

            The vassals need to work off the money spent by the owner by buying this product, advertising in the media, and even on the VO website.
            1. aszzz888
              aszzz888 4 March 2021 06: 39
              0

              tihonmarine (Vlad)
              Yesterday, 21: 21
              NEW

              -1
              Quote: figvam
              And what did the F-35 see modern air defense?))) Another propaganda of the failed aircraft.

              The owner's money spent, vassals need to work off by buying this product, advertising in the media, and even on the VO website.
              hi ! And this is VERY noticeable in the comets of some Togvaris, tearing and throwing here everyone and everything! And for pieces of iron like fi - they have one talmut - there is no better in the world and it cannot be. laughing
        7. Revolver
          Revolver 4 March 2021 00: 03
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The A-10 can only operate on an area completely cleared of air defense. It is shot down by any MANPADS


          In this form, they returned to the base, having completed their combat mission. A woman was at the helm, and she pulled the plane, despite the complete failure of the hydraulics.
        8. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 4 March 2021 09: 05
          0
          Well, here you are not fair to the A-10. It has proven itself in numerous conflicts, including due to its high survivability in the face of active antiaircraft defense. The F-35 does not yet have such a track record, and all of its combat use was limited to a few strikes without entering the air defense zone (even such air defense as the half-dead air defense of Syria).
        9. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 4 March 2021 11: 29
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Only a layman could compare the F-35 with the A-10.

          PMSM. it is an echo of the old battle in the Air Force, when the flyers were asked to replace all A-10s with F-35s. The Air Force agreed - but only after the F-35 proved in practice the ability to perform all the tasks of the A-10. smile
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The A-10 can only operate on an area completely cleared of air defense. It is shot down by any MANPADS
          F-35, on the contrary, are sent to areas of deep saturated air defense, and they return without loss.

          The problem is that for the most part, those with whom the United States is at war today deep saturated air defense... But then there is a cloud of targets such as "rusty" Toyota "with DShK" or "machine gun behind the duval", against which the F-35 is economically unprofitable - its weapons are much more expensive than targets. And here is the A-10 with its brrrrrrrrt - just right. smile
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 4 March 2021 11: 42
            +4
            A-10 is good until its pilot dies.
            Then there is such a big noise that the cheapness of the plane
            and ammunition is forgotten.
            In Israel, even attack helicopters have ceased to be bought for this reason.
            With the advent of drones and precision mini-missiles and gliding bombs
            use of attack aircraft and attack helicopters
            becomes an anachronism.
            It is only the current commander of the United States Air Force who draws examples from the Second
            world war ("main" and "auxiliary" combat aviation).
            There are no main and auxiliary pilots killed - all are the same.
        10. nks
          nks 4 March 2021 20: 06
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Only a layman could compare the F-35 with the A-10

          Oh, Alexey, you are only a great specialist, and in the Pentagon and LM all the laymen positioning the F-35 as a multirole, including for the CAS, for which the highly specialized A-10 was made. This means that it is not only possible, but also necessary to compare them in this role.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The A-10 can only operate on an area completely cleared of air defense. It is shot down by any MANPADS

          A-10 can also operate UAB from heights above the reach of MANPADS, but if you need to work with a gun, you will have to lower the F-35, and then a warthog has more chances to survive when hit from MANPADS
  3. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 March 2021 19: 07
    +3
    The Italians assemble the F-35A themselves at their own factory. 23 pieces already. For their Air Force, for the Dutch ... For the Danes soon.
    But the F-35B is more difficult to assemble.
    The Japanese, South Koreans and Spaniards will have such mini-aircraft carriers with the F-35B.
    Cheap and cheerful: no catapults or finishers are needed. Takeoff and landing without stress and injuries to pilots.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 3 March 2021 19: 14
      -1
      ... The Japanese, South Koreans and Spaniards will have such mini-aircraft carriers with the F-35B.

      It will go against the natives in expeditionary military operations, but against serious military powers, this topic will not work, taking into account the development of hypersonic technologies and the fact that the F-35 is more of a drummer than an air superiority fighter.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 3 March 2021 19: 18
        +6
        Strikemen are usually placed on aircraft carriers. The F-18 is also not an air superiority fighter. But he is able to fight off enemy fighters with dignity. So is the F-35. Moreover, it is easier for him - he will be discovered later than the F-18
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 3 March 2021 19: 26
          -5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The F-18 is also not an air superiority fighter. But he is able to fight off enemy fighters with dignity.

          Dogfight F / A-18D with Su-30MKM Malaysia. Rolls and shoots the pilot Hornet.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 3 March 2021 19: 46
            +5
            In dog-fight, the Su-35 is undoubtedly stronger than the F-18. There is nothing to think about.
            But Americans don't go into dog fight by trying to act collectively. Only if a lone fighter gets stuck.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 3 March 2021 19: 48
              -3
              In the video I posted, F / A-18 defeated the Su-30 3-0. I would still think about such assessments. To be fair, Hornet was controlled by an instructor pilot and he said that he had lost more than once, without video.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 4 March 2021 00: 06
                +1
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                In the video that I posted, F / A-18 defeated the Su-30 with a score of 3-0

                Do not forget, the SU was ruled by a Malay or some other Papuan.
                1. nks
                  nks 4 March 2021 19: 54
                  0
                  oh well, the Malaysian pilot was good in that video and on the show they also know how to twist beautifully

              2. nks
                nks 4 March 2021 19: 52
                +1
                It is not only this that is curious here. In general, despite the fact that both the old hornet and the newer SH do not seem to be a special aerobatic according to the tabular charts, pilots (including opponents who consider him a difficult rival) appreciate him very much in the BVB. The fact is that hornets have good controllability at low speeds (with high-alfa - those are good control at high angles of attack) and in this battle the FA-18 fought in the manner and tactics that one would expect from the SU -30 with its UHT and tn "super-maneuverability", but the SU-30 here works in the spirit of energy-speed-vertical. The same can be observed with the f-22 pilots, and the "super maneuverability" remains for the show. Those are practical and visual confirmation of what we could assume or knew from hearsay.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 4 March 2021 20: 02
                  -1
                  Keep in mind that Hornet always has 1-2 PTBs in training battles, according to the regulations. In reality, he can throw them off.
                  He also has a number of battles with other types of aircraft. Including the MiG-29. In general, everything is sad with him, I used to think that everything was bad with the 29th only with avionics, it turned out that he was not in close combat.
                  Against the F-22, there were also dogfights, without the slightest chance for Hornet. In terms of the complexity of the battle, the Su-30 comes after the F-22.
                  Tabular characteristics do not mean anything, questions about the method of obtaining them.
                  1. nks
                    nks 4 March 2021 20: 12
                    0
                    There are no particular questions about the method of obtaining, for example, the rate of climb, permissible overload, etc. Read carefully and think more.


                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    by statute

                    Where did you get this?
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 4 March 2021 20: 13
                      -1
                      Quote: nks
                      Where did you get this?


                      The pilot talks about this in the video. Like where with the MiG-29.
                      1. nks
                        nks 4 March 2021 20: 20
                        0
                        About the charter with mandatory 1-2 PTB? And what can be reset is of course.
                      2. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 4 March 2021 20: 24
                        -1
                        Yeah. Fuel may not be enough otherwise if the pilots get too carried away with training combat.


                        Somewhere 5:30 minutes start
                      3. nks
                        nks 4 March 2021 20: 32
                        0
                        What I mean is that there is nothing about any charter, and the necessary fuel supply and the corresponding configuration for PTB are calculated based on the conditions of the battle. In principle, they can also hang 3, but this usually does not happen.
                      4. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 4 March 2021 20: 39
                        -1
                        Maybe somewhere on another video he spoke, just the fact that in all videos Hornet with 1-2 PTBs.
  4. Liam
    Liam 3 March 2021 21: 00
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Strikemen are usually placed on aircraft carriers. The F-18 is also not an air superiority fighter.

    The Super Hornet (F-18 E and F) is exactly what the supremacy fighter is. The strikers are the C / D versions (which are changed to the F-35C
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 4 March 2021 00: 15
      -1
      Quote: Liam
      The Super Hornet (F-18 E and F) is precisely that supremacy fighter.


      Only by the Americans themselves are the Super Hornets classified as multi-role fighters like Hornets and F-35s.
      1. Liam
        Liam 4 March 2021 00: 23
        +1
        Any modern normal multipurpose fighter. F-15 or F-22 are also multipurpose and can work on the surface, but no one can deny that these are fighters of conquest of superiority in their characteristics. CX-in the same category was adopted as a replacement F-14 Tomcat which no one will even jokingly call a drummer
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 4 March 2021 00: 56
          -1
          Quote: Liam
          F-15 or F-22 are also multipurpose.


          F-15 does not exist smile What became the F-15A was designed as an air superiority fighter (and before the advent of the F-15E, all modifications of the F-15 were). The same goes for the F-22. And the F / A-18s (both Hornets and Super Hornets) were originally designed as multi-purpose vehicles (Fighter / Attack).

          Quote: Liam
          CX-in the same category and was adopted as a replacement for the F-14 Tomcat


          By that time, the F-14 was trying to be used as a multipurpose one.
  • kuzimka
    kuzimka 3 March 2021 19: 57
    +3
    And what serious military powers are ready to fight the countries of the NATO bloc in order to show directly to the whole world how poor and stupid they are, because they have adopted the F-35? I believe that the commentator will wait a minute about one serial Su-57, well, a lot of S-300 and S-400 and S-500, well, then by numbering ...
  • Liam
    Liam 3 March 2021 20: 26
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Italians assemble the F-35A themselves.

    F-35 B is also being assembled
  • Nemchinov Vl
    Nemchinov Vl 4 March 2021 04: 14
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Japanese, South Koreans and Spaniards will have such mini-aircraft carriers with the F-35B.
    Cheap and cheerful: no catapults or finishers are needed.
    belay ? !!
    ... on the actual production of the F-35A, where for one unit for the Air Force The US will have to shell out $ 83,4 million. F-35 B (with short takeoff and vertical landing) costs 108,1 million, and the F-35C (carrier-based fighter) in 93,3 million.
    . belay ? !! what request
  • sabakina
    sabakina 3 March 2021 19: 18
    -5
    Didn't know that macaroni had an aircraft carrier ...
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 3 March 2021 19: 27
      0
      Sobakina-Slava, they recently carved him out of a piece of whole spaghetti lol
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 4 March 2021 09: 09
      -1
      "Wedding" aircraft carrier. Why "Kuzya" is of little use for real combat operations, and the Italian one is even worse.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 3 March 2021 19: 22
    +3
    And he went to bed. Av. "J. Garibaldi" "pasta" drank, or what?
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 3 March 2021 19: 24
    0
    Two loneliness met - an unnecessary aircraft carrier, an unnecessary fighter. We ought to send them to an unnecessary war. For example with New Zealand
    1. Alf
      Alf 3 March 2021 19: 33
      +1
      Quote: Cowbra
      Two loneliness met - an unnecessary aircraft carrier, an unnecessary fighter. We ought to send them to an unnecessary war. For example with New Zealand

      What if the natives win?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 3 March 2021 19: 38
      +12
      You don't need it. And the fools Italians are already completing the second carrier. wink

      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 3 March 2021 19: 40
        -5
        So what? Mattresses will not be surpassed anyway - for example, they built three Zamvolts before they realized that they didn't need them. And the F-35 - in general 6 hundred, until they admitted that they screwed up with them)))
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 3 March 2021 19: 51
          +6
          Why should they compete with their allies? But to bring the light of democracy wherever it is enough. Well, in extreme cases, you can sell it profitably, as the same Fremms flew away to the field marshal, so he still ordered (signed new contracts for 871 million euro). laughing USC, for example, Egypt, even with a free rocket boat, could not attract at least some order. As well as Algeria, it is still dynamite. India alone remained.

        2. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
          Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 4 March 2021 00: 33
          +1
          I wish USC and Sukhoi have such successes as the Americans have tax payments, what can I say.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 March 2021 21: 25
        -2
        Quote: donavi49
        You don't need it. And the fools Italians are already completing the second carrier.

        And seemingly a floating bor ... del.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 3 March 2021 22: 03
          -1
          So that's why the owners came there! Relax, dispel
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 4 March 2021 06: 44
            +3

            Cowbra
            Yesterday, 22: 03
            NEW

            -3
            So that's why the owners came there! Relax, dispel
            How furiously the Togvaris will pass up! wink
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 4 March 2021 09: 48
              0
              Quote: aszzz888
              How furiously the Togvaris will pass up!

              We insult their owners, the Americans. They receive unemployment benefits from them.
        2. aszzz888
          aszzz888 4 March 2021 06: 45
          +1

          tihonmarine (Vlad)
          Yesterday, 21: 25
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          -2
          Quote: donavi49
          You don't need it. And the fools Italians are already completing the second carrier.

          And seemingly a floating bor ... del.
          The most that neither is!
      3. aszzz888
        aszzz888 4 March 2021 06: 43
        +1

        donavi49
        Yesterday, 19: 38
        NEW

        +11
        You don't need it. And the fools Italians are already completing the second carrier. wink
        And also a couple of "Daggers" for your Italian "carrier". There was a "carrier", will become a feeder for crabs. tongue
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 3 March 2021 19: 54
      +1
      unknown - control of the empty Southern Ocean and Antarctica.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 3 March 2021 19: 26
    0
    As many as TWO! !!! F35 on the deck of an aircraft carrier! !! wassat The Yankees there beat the Italians on the hands, I suppose, so that the stealth coating on the aviazatse would not be accidentally scratched, otherwise the ESR of the penguin from the loch kid will grow significantly! !! crying wassat
  • Alf
    Alf 3 March 2021 19: 33
    0
    US Navy Aircraft Carrier Commander:

    This is truly an outstanding success, but at the same time a new challenge for the future of the Italian naval aviation.

    He does not fly with us, maybe the Italians will make him fly?
  • Wolf
    Wolf 3 March 2021 20: 46
    -2
    February 23, 2021 08:00 AM EST

    REFUSAL OF THE PROJECT AMERICAN HUNTER F35 !!!

    The US Air Force has just admitted that the F-35 stealth fighter has failed !!!
    David Axe
    Forbes FORBES
    Aviation and defense

    The Air Force Commander wants the service to develop an affordable light fighter that will replace hundreds of Cold War F-16s and complement a small fleet of sophisticated but expensive and unreliable stealth fighters.

    The result will be a very cheap combination of expensive F-22 and F-35 "fifth generation" and cheap jets "fifth generation minus", - explained Air Force Chief of Staff Charles Brown Jr.

    If that plan sounds familiar, it's because the Air Force began developing an affordable light fighter a generation ago that will replace hundreds of Cold War-era F-16s and complement a small future fleet of sophisticated - but expensive and unreliable - stealth aircraft. fighters.

    But over 20 years of research and development, this lightweight hunting ground fighter has grown heavier and more expensive as the Air Force and leading supplier Lockheed Martin LMT + 1% have filled it with more technology.

    Yes, we are talking about the F-35. The 25-ton stealth warplane was exactly the problem he had to solve. America now needs a new fighter jet to address this problem with the F-35, officials said.

    At a fixed price of about $ 100 million per plane, including the engine, the F-35 is expensive. Although invisible and full of high-tech sensors, it is also essential for maintenance, faulty and unreliable. “The F-35 isn't a cheap light fighter,” said Dan Ward, a former aviation program manager and author of popular business books, including Cycle Simplicity.

    The F-35 is a Ferrari, Brown told reporters last Wednesday. “You don't drive a Ferrari to work every day, you only drive it on Sundays. This is our "highest target" [hunter], we want to make sure we don't use all of this for low level combat. "

    “I want to highlight how often we use these aircraft,” Brown said.

    Hence the need for a new lower-tier fighter that will catch up in day-to-day operations. Today this need is met by about 1000 F-16 Air Force. But the flying squad hasn't purchased new F-16s from Lockheed since 2001. F-16s are old.

    In his last interview before leaving office in January, Will Roper, the Air Force's head of procurement, presented the idea for new orders for the F-16. But Brown dismissed the idea, saying he didn't want more classic planes.

    Brown explained that the 17-ton stealth F-16 is too difficult to update with the latest software. Instead of ordering a fresh F-16, the Air Force should begin developing a "blank slate" for a new, inferior fighter, he said.

    Brown's comments tacitly admit that the F-35 failed. The program was conceived in the 1990s to produce thousands of fighters that would supplant nearly all existing tactical combat aircraft from the Air Force, Navy and Navy infantry.

    The Air Force alone wanted about 1800 F-35s to replace the outdated F-16s and A-10s and make up the bottom of the line of low and high-end fighters, with 180 twin-engined F-22s making up the top.

    But the Air Force and Lockheed failed in the very concept of the F-35. “They were trying to do too much for the F-35,” said Dan Grazer, an analyst with the Washington DC government oversight project.

    There is a small-wing version for ground operations, a large-wing version for naval aviation equipped with the Navy, and for small-deck ships that are ridden by marines, a vertical landing model with a lift to shoot down an aircraft. engine.

    The complexity added value. Cost increases lead to delays. The delays gave developers more time to add even more complex designs. These additives have increased costs. These costs have resulted in more delays. And so on and so forth.

    Fifteen years after the first flight of the F-35, the Air Force has only 250 aircraft. The service now signals possible program interruptions. No wonder Brown began to characterize the F-35 as a boutique, the best fighter in the F-22 class. The Air Force completed production of the F-22, starting just 195 examples.

    “The F-35 is approaching an intersection,” Grazer said.

    Pentagon leaders have hinted that as part of the US military's shift in focus to threats from other parties - Russia and China - the Navy and Air Force could receive more than $ 700 billion in the US military's annual budget. All at the expense of the army.

    “If we pull the trigger for a new hunter, maybe now is the right time,” Grazer said. The Air Force could end production of the F-35 after only a few hundred examples and redirect tens of billions of dollars to a new fighter program.

    But the question is whether the air force will be able to develop a lightweight and cheap fighter. A new, younger aircraft could face the same fate as the last younger aircraft - the F-35 - and continually gain weight, complexity and value until it becomes, albeit a first-class, aircraft.

    If it happens like it did before, then some future Air Force chief of staff could tell reporters - say in 2041 - that the new F-36 is a Ferrari and that you don't drive a Ferrari to work. everyday.

    This future general could say that in order to finally replace the 60-year-old F-16, the Air Force must develop an affordable light fighter.
  • Twodi
    Twodi 3 March 2021 20: 50
    +1
    I would like to applaud the Americans. They themselves refuse, ordering aircraft of the 4 ++ generation, they massively complain about problems and high prices, but they successfully sell this "piece of shit" to their satellites! BRAVO!!!!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 March 2021 21: 30
      +1
      Quote: Twodi
      I would like to applaud the Americans. They themselves refuse, ordering aircraft of the 4 ++ generation, they massively complain about problems and high prices, but they successfully sell this "piece

      In American, this is called "business" and no friends. A dollar is more than friendship. Although what kind of friendship can be with a vassal and a kneeling knee.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 4 March 2021 00: 13
      +3
      Quote: Twodi
      successfully vparivayut this "piece of shit" to their satellites! BRAVO!!!!

      As a rule, it is impossible to sell a "piece of shit" to Jews. Nevertheless, they used the F-35I "Adir", they liked it and ordered more. But the Persians in Iraq and Syria, and other Hezbollons F-35I "Adir" terribly do not like it. They arrive at the very least, but they do not even understand where they came from.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 4 March 2021 05: 57
        +1
        But the Persians in Iraq and Syria, and other Hezbollons F-35I "Adir" terribly do not like it. They arrive at the very least, but they do not even understand where they came from.

        But for them, is there any difference from which carrier the ammunition was fired? The message about the F-35 "Adir" is not clear. Or just decided to sing a dithyramb from the bulldozer?
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 4 March 2021 18: 16
          0
          Quote: Ka-52
          But for them, is there any difference from which carrier the ammunition was fired?

          Of course have. They see a Che-thread like F-16 a few minutes before, so in principle they can have time to get stuck in the cracks, and even, if they are very lucky, send him a reply. And they do not see the F-35, and do not understand what they have worked on, until the very moment when the grace of Allah descends on them from heaven and sends them to the long-desired virgins.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 5 March 2021 04: 26
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            Of course have. They see a Che-thread of the F-16 type a few minutes before, so that in principle they can have time to get stuck in the cracks, and even, if they are very lucky, send him a reply.

            Yes, given that most of the Israeli missile launches are carried out from the Mediterranean Sea, from the territory of Lebanon, from under the radar shadow of the Lebanese mountains, then I ask again: what the hell is the difference in the type of carrier? When you are going to praise the F-35 again, first of all think about it.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 5 March 2021 07: 45
              0
              Quote: Ka-52
              most of the Israeli missile launches are carried out from the Mediterranean Sea, from the territory of Lebanon, from under the radar shadow of the Lebanese mountains

              Are you saying that smart bombs or even missiles fly from the Lebanese mountains across Syria to the Iraqi border? No.
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 5 March 2021 07: 50
                0
                Are you saying that smart bombs or even missiles fly from the Lebanese mountains across Syria to the Iraqi border?

                I wrote about Syria. And there is nothing to write about Iraq. Do Iranian proxies based in Iraq have air defenses in your alternate universe that could be affected by the difference between the F-35 and the F-16?
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 5 March 2021 07: 58
                  0
                  Yes? But in order to attack objects on the border of Syria and Iraq (which was done at least once), the campaign must cross all of Syria across. And Syria, although a lot has been lost, still has a lot of all kinds of anti-aircraft crap, mostly Soviet or Russian-made, including those that do not have analogs of the S-300 in the world. And even with the correction for the crooked head-ass Arabs at the consoles, all the same, at least four threads, except for the results of the blow, should have been noticed. But they do not see the F-35, but it is. bully
                  1. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 5 March 2021 08: 43
                    0
                    Yes? But in order to attack objects on the border of Syria and Iraq (which was done at least once), the campaign must cross all of Syria across.

                    do it. Israeli planes pass over Iraqi territory in all cases. Including those when they attack objects in eastern Syria. Don't think of them as idiots.
                    And in Syria, although a lot has been lost, there is still a lot of all kinds of anti-aircraft crap, mainly Soviet or Russian production, including those that do not have world-wide analogues of the S-300

                    Have you tried reading what your opponent writes to you? Problems with reading or such a life principle? The air defense of Syria is not echeloned, but object-based. Those. controls areas around the most important government facilities. I wrote about the method of attacking Hel ha'Avir objects in Syria. If you could not grasp the essence - your problems.
                    But they do not see the F-35, but it is. bully

                    well they are invisible... You stated this as an expert laughing
      2. Sergey Kulikov_3
        Sergey Kulikov_3 4 March 2021 09: 23
        +1
        Your pride in the impunity for the bombing of Syria is directly touching, well, how can you destroy the "Persians" there, does it remind me of something?
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 4 March 2021 18: 20
          0
          Fascists, they are always fascists, albeit a national socialist or an Islamist one. So when they arrive, the soul rejoices.
    3. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 4 March 2021 02: 35
      0
      Quote: Twodi
      They themselves refuse


      Lies. The F-35 procurement program continues as planned.
    4. aszzz888
      aszzz888 4 March 2021 06: 48
      0

      Twodi (Dmitrii)
      Yesterday, 20: 50
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      0
      I would like to applaud the Americans. They themselves refuse, ordering aircraft of the 4 ++ generation, they massively complain about problems and high prices, but they successfully sell this "piece of shit" to their satellites! BRAVO!!!!
      After that, even here on the site they will be hysterical about this, because they have sold diamond iron, and they rush with it. And at the same time they tear and swoop down here! wink Poor things! laughing
  • Usher
    Usher 3 March 2021 23: 38
    -2
    The servants rejoice at the master's handout. What is the success then?