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Will it be possible to replace imported composites in Russia: successes and problems of the "composite" industry

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Recently, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, having visited the special economic zone "Alabuga", held a meeting on the problems of the development of the composite industry. A high-ranking official spoke, among other things, about the need to create a line of composite materials for the Russian aviation... Otherwise, the lag of our country in a number of industrial segments will be simply inevitable.


As you know, the world market for composite materials is one of the most dynamically developing. If in 2016 its cost equivalent was more than $ 82 billion, then by 2022 it will amount to more than $ 115 billion, according to experts' forecasts. At the dawn of the composite industry, the Soviet Union ranked third in the production of this kind of materials, and now the situation has changed for the worse: the consumption of composite materials per capita in Russia is several times less than in a number of countries that are classified as developed in this regard. So, there is a reason to think about it, and it is not in vain that the government drew attention to the problem of the state of the "composite" industry.

Aristar from Pereslavl-Zalessky: new heavy-duty material


Nevertheless, there have been some progress. So, in February 2021, it became known about the creation of a new generation composite. It was developed and created by employees of the Research Institute of Space and Aviation Materials (NIIKAM) in Pereslavl-Zalessky, Yaroslavl Region.

The new material was named "aristar". Its characteristics are impressive: with a dead weight of 2 grams, a 5 mm wide plate can withstand a load weighing more than 500 kg. This is much higher than the ability to carry a load of steel or aircraft-grade aluminum. Therefore, the positive effect of the use of such material in the aviation, space, shipbuilding, nuclear industries, and in fire-fighting technologies is already obvious.

As noted by the general director of NIIKAM, professor Vasily Aristov, work on the composite material lasted 7 years. At the same time, experiments on the creation of such a material have been carried out in Japan for 15 years, and the American material, although it appeared earlier than the Russian one, is significantly inferior to it in properties. It turns out that Russian researchers have bypassed the Americans, albeit in 7 years. New Russian composites are stronger than imported ones, but the main problem is that there are still very few such materials, and the question of whether it will be possible to replace the import of composites completely is still very acute.


Challenges and Opportunities for the Russian Composite Industry


The dizziness of success is still hardly appropriate. Successes - successes, but there are also very serious obstacles to the further development of the domestic "composite" industry. Among them are a shortage of Russian raw materials proper, a lack of Russian equipment for the production of composites, competition from imported materials, a shortage of highly specialized specialists, and gaps in regulatory documents.

Of course, there is also a financial problem: even such a strategically important area of ​​industry does not have enough funding to develop new projects and conduct new research. The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation allocates subsidies for the development of composite production; there is an Action Plan (Roadmap) for the Development of the Composite Materials Industry, approved by the Government of the Russian Federation back in 2013.

However, much depends on the real demand from those industries that are interested in lighter and stronger materials, and here, oddly enough, sanctions played into the hands of the domestic composite industry: after the imposed restrictions on the supply of materials from abroad, they had to look for their own solutions ... And they were found: thus, according to Deputy Prime Minister Borisov, since 2019 Russia has managed to completely replace the import of components for the composite wing and tail of the promising Russian medium-haul passenger aircraft MS-21-300. Russian composites are used in the production of modern fighters and UAVs for the needs of the Russian Aerospace Forces. A separate area of ​​their application is domestic cosmonautics, which will lose momentum without a new impetus for development, because it is impossible to endlessly exploit the Soviet legacy, even if it is truly enormous in this regard.

That is, we can, whenever we want, and the chances of replacing imported composites in many areas of industry are quite real.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 3 March 2021 12: 20
    +7
    That is, we can, whenever we want, and the chances of replacing imported composites in many areas of industry are quite real.

    It is necessary not only I CAN, after all, it is necessary to MAKE, to provide products to the consumer!
    Those. from the category of fantasies, plans, go into the process of implementing those plans ...
    We will look and again, hope that everyone who needs to be flogged and are on our way.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 3 March 2021 12: 29
      -1
      Will it be possible to replace imported composites in Russia?
      Yes Easy! There would be a desire.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 March 2021 13: 00
        +2
        To desire, much more and the most commonplace, money!
        You have to do it.
        1. avg
          avg 3 March 2021 16: 12
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          To desire, much more and the most commonplace, money!
          It is necessary to do

          To return our specialists from China, to whom monuments are erected there during their lifetime.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 3 March 2021 17: 47
            +10
            HOUSES need normal living conditions, work to create !!! Then someone can come back ...
          2. Viktor Afanasev
            Viktor Afanasev 3 March 2021 20: 03
            +1
            And the money is in the same place ...
            "" The volume of investments in government bonds of the Celestial Empire reached $ 65 billion, which is 13,4% of the total volume of Russian reserves. ""
            1. bayard
              bayard 4 March 2021 00: 33
              +2
              They seem to be embarrassed to invest in Russian bonds.
      2. Kronos
        Kronos 3 March 2021 15: 04
        +7
        In fact, it is not easy even if you want to. To do this, it is necessary to restore their entire almost destroyed industries. Even in the USSR, it was not completely self-sufficient in terms of electronics.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 3 March 2021 17: 53
          +1
          Quote: Kronos
          Even in the USSR, it was not completely self-sufficient in terms of electronics.

          Our kulibins could, could do anything ... BUT, dimensions, gluttony and what depended on special sensors, for example, there was no ice!
          It was, it was, they were packing a suitcase computer ... it was not a Macintosh.
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 3 March 2021 12: 36
      +16
      Quote: rocket757
      Those. from the category of fantasies, plans, go into the process of implementing those plans ...

      Yes, I really would like to move from promises to real deeds.
      1. dorz
        dorz 3 March 2021 14: 31
        +1
        Well, the composite materials will be made by domestic ones, but what about imported avionics for the MC-21-300? No information available.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 3 March 2021 17: 55
        +3
        We have NOT POSITIVE examples, before our eyes, and there are quite a few !!! I want good emotions and not from humorists, but from more serious ones
        responsible guys.
        1. Alf
          Alf 3 March 2021 19: 41
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          We have NOT POSITIVE examples, before our eyes, and there are quite a few !!! I want good emotions and not from humorists, but from more serious ones
          responsible guys.

          Where are these RESPONSIBLE guys? One trampoline is worth ...
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 3 March 2021 12: 39
      +2
      MISTAKE!!! I wanted to write HARNESSED! but it turned out ... in short, funny.
    4. astepanov
      astepanov 3 March 2021 18: 19
      +11
      Quote: rocket757
      We will look and again, hope that everyone who needs to be flogged and are on our way.

      And who are we screwing up?
      I constantly meet with cheerful reports: here we won, and here ... But in reality it turns out that the reports are made by the blowers, who have no ear or snout and want to snatch money from the treasury. Here, at least in this article, probably taken from the journalistic and ministry writings:
      with a dead weight of 2 grams, a 5 mm wide plate can withstand a load weighing more than 500 kg.

      What does this mean? And absolutely nothing. Because the cross section of the sample is unknown. How many gigaspascals can it stand? This is impossible to say, which means that the price of this figure is a penny on a market day. But that's not all.
      In 2020, 58 thousand tons of PAN fiber were produced, of which 28 thousand tons went to the textile industry. From the remaining 30 thousand tons, ideally 10 thousand tons of carbon fiber can be produced - and no more. But there is little production capacity. In the USSR, there was Svetlogorsk chemical fiber - it "left" for Belarus and is now vegetating. Attempts to establish production in Balakovo ended in nothing. Something seemed to be glowing in Mytishchi, but I don’t know the details. We need production lines for oxidation and extraction, ovens, we need modern adhesives, impregnating resins, lines for the composites proper ... This is the most complicated cooperation of manufacturers, huge engineering work, colossal investments - and no private company will do this without guaranteed orders. And without this, the laboratory fuss will end in nothing, except for reports that will be thrown onto a dusty cabinet. I've been through this a thousand times ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 March 2021 18: 48
        +2
        Quote: astepanov
        And who are we screwing up?

        Specifically indicated / wrote that the ERROR ... see above, read not .....
        A phrase that raises a question, call it a cheerful relativity ...
    5. SSR
      SSR 3 March 2021 23: 06
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      It is necessary not only I CAN, after all, it is necessary to MAKE, to provide products to the consumer!
      Those. from the category of fantasies, plans, go into the process of implementing those plans ...

      Quote: rocket757
      HOUSES need normal living conditions, work to create !!! Then someone can come back ...

      You have no idea how "balabol" you look to some. Your words about fantasies and other minute blah, for many of us, are hard work. Problems with which ... This is just hard.
      There are comrades, slogans, a line slogan and a lot of pluses, there are others. Others have almost stopped writing here, in particular about the Air Force.
      Will be given out, 7 sets are not enough !!! And they litter the topic with obsiralov, being not in the subject.
      There are some who write, but in quotation marks, because they have no right.
      In general, some have left and will leave, to the delight of the slogans.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 March 2021 07: 47
        0
        Quote: SSR
        You have no idea how "balabol" you look to some.

        Balabolka is like a balabolka, about everything and nothing, except that the historical theme falls out, interesting from all points of view. This is the result of the majority of non-narrowly specialized "communication platforms" ....
        Quote: SSR
        for many of us, hard work.

        where and where are you there fucked up ... on our own, on our own, we will go our own way!
    6. cmax
      cmax 4 March 2021 00: 12
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      That is, we can, whenever we want, and the chances of replacing imported composites in many areas of industry are quite real.

      It is necessary not only I CAN, after all, it is necessary to MAKE, to provide products to the consumer!
      Those. from the category of fantasies, plans, go into the process of implementing those plans ...
      We will look and again, hope that everyone who needs to be flogged and are on our way.

      https://svpressa.ru/blogs/article/291370/
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 March 2021 07: 29
        0
        We can swagger, we can pretend - we are so-and-so. We would like to ensure the defense capability of Russia, to develop the orbital grouping, at least to keep it.
        Hero of Russia, test pilot Magomed Tolboyev believes

        Serious man, expressed his opinion!
        We can agree, we can not ... events go on as usual and ...
        and then you don't know what to say!
        I don’t want to believe that we will be trailing behind the events, but there is no reason to refute either.
  2. prior
    prior 3 March 2021 12: 23
    -6
    Fuck me your MC-21 together with the composite.
    After 45 years of work experience, I never fly on it.
    1. mark1
      mark1 3 March 2021 12: 52
      +6
      Quote: prior
      After 45 years of work experience, I never fly on it.

      Do you think it's time to start getting interested in woodworking? Be optimistic.
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 3 March 2021 13: 26
      +7
      Quote: prior
      Fuck me your MC-21 together with the composite.
      After 45 years of work experience, I never fly on it.

      In addition to you, there are 147 million more in the country, and many of them will want to fly. And you can simply be glad for them and for those who manage to "catch up and overtake". And if you and this negative .... Why write at all?
    3. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 3 March 2021 13: 35
      -4
      You, no, but great-grandchildren, according to your logic, will fly on the PO-2 legend! And shove the janitor's experience somewhere ... using the oak-oak technique ... and knock your forehead on the stump!
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 3 March 2021 18: 23
        +3
        Take it easy, sweetie. Where did you get the idea that the author of the post "in the technique of oak-oak"? You yourself, I suppose, proudly carry a doctorate in technical sciences?
        1. aleks neym_2
          aleks neym_2 3 March 2021 21: 21
          -1
          What kind of mediocrity are you offended? Because of such, "advanced", there is no movement in science, technology ...
    4. SSR
      SSR 3 March 2021 23: 13
      +2
      Quote: prior
      Fuck me your MC-21 together with the composite.
      After 45 years of work experience, I never fly on it.

      The whole country lives and works for you alone. It is a pity that I didn’t ride the T-500 and didn’t run the train in the subway. On the ISS, how is it? Was your life a success?
      1. prior
        prior 4 March 2021 09: 45
        +3
        Didn't you like my comment?
        And this is just a cry from the soul of an old techie.
        My fingerprints were on the control panels of Mir station. And your?
        Regarding the MS-21. Why design an aircraft for technologies that do not exist?
        In general, life is good. Yesterday, Sobyanin's pension supplement was transferred, as much as 1350 rubles. Here I sit and think where to fly.
        1. t-12
          t-12 4 March 2021 14: 31
          +2
          Why design an aircraft for technologies that do not exist?
          This is just fine. A new aircraft is being designed, based on new technologies. Further, the suppliers, within the timeframe specified by them, master these very technologies and begin to supply aircraft parts.

          Another thing is that suppliers do not fulfill the plan, they miss the deadlines. The same MS-21 has been under development for 10 years.
          1. prior
            prior 4 March 2021 16: 04
            +1
            "A new aircraft is being designed, based on new technologies."
            Well then, it is advisable to arm the SU-57 not with missiles, but with a laser cannon.
            And let the glider wait for this very gun to be made by new technologies ...
            By the way, the Americans already have such an example - Zumwalt.
            1. t-12
              t-12 4 March 2021 18: 20
              0
              Yes, there is such an example. The Americans will work out new technologies at Zumwalt (optical and radio stealth, ship control automation, crew reduction), and then (in 5-10 years) they will apply these technologies in mass shipbuilding.

              Or the same planes. If Boeing has planes made of light composites, and we have no composites, with extra weight, then who will buy our planes? Nobody will buy them, even without regard to the sanctions.

              Of course, new technologies must be implemented in the foreseeable future. Those. without any plasma cannons, neutron armored spheres and annihilation bombs.
        2. SSR
          SSR 5 March 2021 07: 26
          0
          Quote: prior
          Didn't you like my comment?
          And this is just a cry from the soul of an old techie.

          The process is going on, it is difficult, hard, rewinding, but it goes on.
          Quote: prior
          My fingerprints were on the control panels of Mir station. And your?

          Lately I have "inherited" a lot, that's why I say it.
          Quote: prior
          Yesterday, Sobyanin's pension supplement was transferred, as much as 1350 rubles.

          I have nothing to say to this, I just remember how my Granny collected bottles in the 90s, although she worked at TyazhMash since childhood and a pension ....... No need to say, all savings have been reset.
  3. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 3 March 2021 12: 24
    .
    Among them are a shortage of Russian raw materials proper, a lack of Russian equipment for the production of composites, competition from imported materials, a shortage of highly specialized specialists, and gaps in regulatory documents.
    It does not matter. laughing But there are nuclear icebreakers, stations, we fly into space .. laughing "War is bullshit, the main thing is maneuvers" .. laughing Russia is ahead of everyone else, and we will buy composites. laughing It's a shame, of course, this situation. And taking into account the development of demography, it seems that children have forgotten how to do it. Whenever we want to, it’s true. The same is with composites.
  4. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 March 2021 12: 25
    +1
    That is, we can, whenever we want, and the chances of replacing imported composites in many areas of industry are quite real.

    So this still needs to be wanted, and when such managers as Serdyukov and his comrades are at the head of the aircraft industry, then there is no one to want.
  5. AML
    AML 3 March 2021 12: 30
    +6
    Quote: prior
    Fuck me your MC-21 together with the composite.
    After 45 years of work experience, I never fly on it.


    Your feedback is very important to us. Hold on....
    But no. You can go. No one will notice your absence.
    1. prior
      prior 3 March 2021 12: 44
      +9
      You can't avoid retirement either.
      And it is not yet known what it will be and whether it will be at all.
      Well, I went.
      1. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 3 March 2021 12: 48
        +5
        Quote: prior
        You can't avoid retirement either.
        And it is not yet known what it will be and whether it will be at all.
        Well, I went.

        good drinks hi
  6. svp67
    svp67 3 March 2021 12: 38
    +3
    However, a lot depends on the real demand from those industries that are interested in lighter and stronger materials.
    To do this, it is necessary that the line of these materials, with different properties, not only be available, but have the ability to manufacture.
    We have produced more than one MC-21, and we also have a "bunch" of projects. In the "sludge" are hundreds of still quite normal aircraft, which can be upgraded and, using composites, to improve their flight, operational and commercial qualities.
    The shipbuilding industry may well produce not only "composite" minesweepers, but also peaceful ships.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 3 March 2021 12: 45
      +14
      That's about aristar, in general, from the article did not understand - the width of the strip is 5 (length, thickness?), Weight 2 g ... Withstands 500 kg ... To break? Deformation?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 3 March 2021 12: 59
        +7
        Recently, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, by visiting a special economic zone "Alabuga", held a meetingdedicated to the problems of the development of the composite industry. High-ranking the official spoke, including the need to create a line of composite materials for Russian aviation.

        Can anyone tell you how and how these phenomena (actions of an official) can contribute to the creation and development of the production of composite materials for Russian aviation?
        Forgive me, but to reduce the development of the economy and industry to visiting places of residence by officials of various ranks is the height of perfection.
        fool In practice, this is how you can reduce crime in Russia to "nothing" by assigning general ranks to all press secretaries from the Ministry of Internal Affairs. A few days ago there was a report in which a photo of Irina Volk was commenting on some crime ...
        Soviet scientists have not yet died out. Let them share the experience of creation with those who are charged with developing and creating.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 3 March 2021 13: 36
          -5
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Can anyone tell you how and how these phenomena (actions of an official) can contribute to the creation and development of the production of composite materials for Russian aviation?

          During the visit, meetings are held at which some tasks are set, interaction and coordination of related industries are discussed, among other things, the priority of financing.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Let them share the experience of creation with those who are charged with developing and creating.

          Even to organize the transfer of experience, some management decisions are needed. No system works without the management of this system. And in this case, too, it is "better to see once than to read a box of reports." Some amazing questions you ask ...
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 3 March 2021 15: 13
            +2
            Quote: Hagen
            Even to organize the transfer of experience, some management decisions are needed.

            Young man! Business professionals are important for the transfer of work experience. When it was required to prepare cable workers for mounting couplings on XLPE cables, a specialist came and showed the electricians how this is done in practice, and did not tell them at the department, pointing to the posters. After that EVERYONE installed the coupling ... EVERYONE !!! So we also went through the practice of installing overhead self-supporting insulated wire (with crimping of sleeves, fuses, installation of clamps and wedge).
            And here you are trying to assure us that some graduate from a communications institution and a correspondence student of Moscow State University has experience in creating composites ... What did he create personally, with his own hands? And in organizers, as well as in effective managers, we do not know the end.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 3 March 2021 16: 33
              -7
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Business professionals are important for the transfer of work experience

              Old man! Your denseness is immeasurable. It is useless to explain anything to you .... You should have studied earlier. Much earlier ... You can be seen from those who swim a lot, but do not grow into captains. laughing
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 3 March 2021 20: 23
                +3
                Quote: Hagen
                Your denseness is immeasurable.

                But your education comes from those who never answer uncomfortable questions. You are asked a question:
                "What did he create personally, with his own hands?"
                You are drooling here, proving me some kind of righteousness. Before you lead, you need to study the subject of leadership. And then the leaders are worthless, they all lead and move their hands, and we expect from them the usual progress in business.
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 3 March 2021 20: 28
                  -5
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  we expect from them the usual progress in business.

                  It was necessary to study in a timely manner, then they would not have expected. And where did my education begin, you do not know and do not discuss it for you.
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  You are asked a question:
                  "What did he create personally, with his own hands?"

                  Do you want to know what he did? He needs to ask. And you even got lost in such an elementary matter ...
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  You are drooling here, proving me some kind of righteousness.

                  I'm not going to prove anything to you. Why do I need this? You make yourself look funny ...
          2. Alf
            Alf 3 March 2021 19: 46
            +3
            Quote: Hagen
            During the visit, meetings are held at which some tasks are set, interaction and coordination of related industries are discussed

            They have been deliberating for 30 years already.
            Quote: Hagen
            among other things, the priority of financing.

            But this question is a priority and causes the strongest inspiration.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 3 March 2021 20: 23
              -4
              Quote: Alf
              But this question is a priority and causes the strongest inspiration.

              So be inspired. Only until the finances, according to the decision worked out at the meeting, "move", no clever specialist will sign a business trip to the cablemen and there will be no such "couplings on the XLPE cable."
              Quote: Alf
              They have been deliberating for 30 years already.

              They have been meeting since the time when they thought of going among more than three to hunt for a mammoth ... Only with the current mental degradation, not every "thinker" does not understand the importance of managerial decisions. And they write any nonsense, how the workers work and teach the engineering and technical personnel to work, and the soldiers are winning in spite of the generals. And thank God, if such people are not moved into a chair to steer something under retirement.
              1. Alf
                Alf 3 March 2021 20: 40
                +4
                Quote: Hagen
                Only until finances, according to the decision worked out at the meeting, "move", they will not sign a business trip to the cablemen for any smart specialist

                Already how many billions were allocated for everything, and then it turned out that nothing reached the performers. And no one was to blame for the disappearance of the money.
                At one time, one of the now dead president was asked-And where is the money allocated to the miners. And he simply replied - God knows ..
                Quote: Hagen
                the importance of management decisions comes down.

                Where are the results of these important decisions?
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 3 March 2021 20: 57
                  -6
                  Quote: Alf
                  Where are the results of these important decisions?

                  Before your eyes ... Or don't you see? laughing
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 3 March 2021 20: 58
                    +4
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Quote: Alf
                    Where are the results of these important decisions?

                    Before your eyes ... Or don't you see? laughing

                    It is difficult to see what is not.
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 3 March 2021 20: 59
                      -5
                      Quote: Alf
                      It is difficult to see what is not.

                      How about an ophthalmologist? Isn't it time? laughing
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 3 March 2021 21: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Quote: Alf
                        It is difficult to see what is not.

                        How about an ophthalmologist? Isn't it time? laughing

                        Go, go ...
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 3 March 2021 22: 22
                        -5
                        Quote: Alf
                        Go, go ...

                        And I don't need it. I'm fine ..
                  2. cmax
                    cmax 4 March 2021 12: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: Alf
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Quote: Alf
                    Where are the results of these important decisions?

                    Before your eyes ... Or don't you see? laughing

                    It is difficult to see what is not.

                    I also agree with you. I saw one SU-57, I saw two IL-76s, I saw a couple of Armads, I didn’t see the Boomerang armored personnel carrier, I didn’t see the active protection for armored vehicles, and I didn’t see a lot of things. The most important word at such meetings is colleagues. Colleagues, we got together to decide who to give the money to and away we go.
    2. svp67
      svp67 3 March 2021 13: 02
      +9
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But about aristar, in general, I did not understand from the article - the width of the strip is 5 (length, thickness?), Weight 2 g ...

      That they are not yet the whole news, then they reprinted. There and such a miracle material was invented
      material "Aristide", which is useful for use in aviation, space and other areas. It is 10 times lighter than aircraft grade aluminum and can withstand temperatures up to 1300 degrees while remaining fire resistant. In addition, it can withstand a pistol shot and gradually regenerate.
    3. svp67
      svp67 3 March 2021 13: 21
      +4
      hi
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      in general, I did not understand from the article

      Go to the official website of NIIKAM LLC, Scientific Research Institute of Space and Aviation Materials. There is interesting information about the number of ordered composites, prospects, some data in comparison.
      https://www.niikam.ru/projects.html
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 3 March 2021 13: 58
        -4
        Well, then it was not necessary to write a semblance of an article, but links in a column - they say, dear readers, by clicking on the links, you will find a lot of interesting things for yourself. laughing
        1. svp67
          svp67 3 March 2021 14: 23
          +5
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Well, then it was not necessary to write a semblance of an article, but links in a column - they say, dear readers, by clicking on the links, you will find a lot of interesting things for yourself.

          I hope that it is not worth explaining the rules of the "kitchen" to you.
    4. Ugochaves
      Ugochaves 3 March 2021 15: 35
      +3
      Most likely, volumetric parts are subjected to rupture, deformation and destruction.
  7. Alf
    Alf 3 March 2021 19: 44
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    In the "sludge" are hundreds of still quite normal aircraft, which can be upgraded and, with the use of composites, to improve their flight, operational and commercial qualities.
    The shipbuilding industry may well produce not only "composite" minesweepers, but also peaceful ships.

    Vadik237 was forgotten, with his conviction, who are we going to sell this to and is it not profitable to produce anything in Russia? But these wadiks now rule the country ..
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 3 March 2021 12: 50
    +5
    Russia can do everything in a single copy. And the state has no money for mass production. Therefore, we are massively modernizing the Soviet legacy! Over the past 20 years, in Russia, only the number of billionaires has increased (from 8 in 2000 to 110 in 2019).
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 3 March 2021 12: 57
      -2
      Quote: steel maker
      Russia can do everything in a single copy. And the state has no money for mass production.

      This doesn't seem to be about the money. Manturov recently gathered to produce composites for our aircraft in the UAE
    2. cmax
      cmax 4 March 2021 00: 17
      +4
      Quote: steel maker
      Russia can do everything in a single copy. And the state has no money for mass production. Therefore, we are massively modernizing the Soviet legacy! Over the past 20 years, in Russia, only the number of billionaires has increased (from 8 in 2000 to 110 in 2019).

      Hero Hero of Russia, test pilot Magomed Tolboev "We can swagger, we can pretend we are so and so. We would have to ensure the defense capability of Russia, develop the orbital group, at least keep it. And in the future - a flight to Mars, to the Moon - all this fairy tales, ordinary fairy tales about the white bull. I recently listened to five representatives of the leaders of "Roscosmos." And they all said the same thing - "we in three or four years, in five years ..." They did their job, got money, washed and disappeared. And who will answer - no one? And they would answer Tsar Ivan IV with their heads. But now we are all good, all kind, all smart. And Russia is at a dead center. Well, at least for a minus we do not go. "
  • Klingon
    Klingon 3 March 2021 13: 05
    0
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    That's about aristar, in general, from the article did not understand - the width of the strip is 5 (length, thickness?), Weight 2 g ... Withstands 500 kg ... To break? Deformation?

    trade secret you know wassat
  • AML
    AML 3 March 2021 13: 10
    +3
    Quote: prior
    You can't avoid retirement either.
    And it is not yet known what it will be and whether it will be at all.
    Well, I went.

    Well, you seem to be an adult and are carrying garbage. Take a calculator and calculate, even if you just put 1 billion dollars into the Pension Fund. Do you think dofiga will be added to all working retirees? so as not to pull the cat by the sphincter - as a result, to a pension of about a ruble.

    Well, now the downside. Do people fly on airplanes? Flies. If you are an opponent of domestic ones, then the bourgeois will fly - it means a minus to your pension and a plus to theirs. It's all simple.
    1. cmax
      cmax 4 March 2021 12: 25
      +2
      Quote: AML
      Quote: prior
      You can't avoid retirement either.
      And it is not yet known what it will be and whether it will be at all.
      Well, I went.

      Well, you seem to be an adult and are carrying garbage. Take a calculator and calculate, even if you just put 1 billion dollars into the Pension Fund. Do you think dofiga will be added to all working retirees? so as not to pull the cat by the sphincter - as a result, to a pension of about a ruble.

      Well, now the downside. Do people fly on airplanes? Flies. If you are an opponent of domestic ones, then the bourgeois will fly - it means a minus to your pension and a plus to theirs. It's all simple.

      You count this, through only one Holland they brought out ........
      “During the term of the agreement between Russia and the Netherlands, many Russian companies have used this jurisdiction,” the Ministry of Finance notes. “Significant resources have been withdrawn to the Netherlands in the form of interest and dividend payments. So, in 2017, the volume of such payments amounted to more than 457 billion rubles, in 2018 - more than 412 billion rubles, and in 2019 - more than 339 billion rubles. "Hooray, there is still unused money, you give the entire budget abroad.
  • businessv
    businessv 3 March 2021 13: 11
    +4
    That is, we can, whenever we want, and the chances of replacing imported composites in many areas of industry are quite real.
    This is precisely the problem - our pro-Western bureaucrats do not want to develop anything in a country where they only "work", and their families have long been living in the "blessed" west! It's much easier to buy at one price, sell at an inflated price, and pocket the difference. This happens in all sectors of import-dependent industries. Earnings in a short time are very impressive, in contrast to long-term investments, and you will not earn on them at all - why do you need an intermediary - a parasite in the mutually beneficial work of the producer and the consumer!
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 3 March 2021 13: 21
    0
    the positive effect of using such material is obvious

    Obvious is what happened.
    In this case, it has not happened yet, the material does not exist in prepregs and is absent in structures.
    While there are no commercially available prepregs, there is no way to create experimental designs and get a method for calculating them.
    Well, don't exaggerate so much.
    This is a laboratory achievement, but has not (yet) reached even the stage of pilot production.
    There are a lot of extra-strong materials that have not found wide application due to the impossibility of mass production and high prices.
    A suitable phrase will be - promising material, but the effect has not yet been observed.

    Here is the UMATEX plant (Rosatom), which produces serial prepregs from carbon fiber - this is really a very significant achievement.

  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 3 March 2021 13: 42
    +5
    In Russia, many problems are artificial! In the USSR, ICBMs were produced in carbon fiber hulls ... but the USSR "ended", and the plant producing carbon fiber began to be destroyed! Now, for example, I am not 100% sure that it was possible to defend it! But some enterprises related to the production of composites went bankrupt and closed! The "West" managed to create in Russia a "class" of the comprador bourgeoisie, ready to easily "sell both mother and homeland" and willingly follow instructions
    This "Western world"! Next: finance ... Who should I ask if the ruling regime of Yeltsin, selling out the industry of the RSFSR, "asked" for a penny from 1 ruble of real value (or even half a penny ...)? These are the reasons for the blatant poverty in Russia that time ! This is where that "belch", which is still harassing the Russian Federation, comes from!
  • Kushka
    Kushka 3 March 2021 13: 47
    -1
    Quote: steel maker
    Russia can do everything in a single copy. And the state has no money for mass production. Therefore, we are massively modernizing the Soviet legacy! Over the past 20 years, in Russia, only the number of billionaires has increased (from 8 in 2000 to 110 in 2019).




    I call this "left-handedness". Lefty also has 1 (one) flea
    shod. And rushed with her (the Emperor and General Platov) all over the world.
    Tradition, so to speak. One Su, one Armata, one Kuzya, one MC.
  • Eug
    Eug 3 March 2021 13: 53
    +1
    All "chemistry" needs to be lifted - and fuel (with explosives), LCI, adhesives, binders, etc. And for this it is not enough technology to develop, you need equipment. And all this rests on the scale of production - it is in them (scale) that the prime cost is "buried" ...
    1. cmax
      cmax 4 March 2021 00: 23
      +2
      Quote: Eug
      All "chemistry" needs to be lifted - and fuel (with explosives), LCI, adhesives, binders, etc. And for this it is not enough technology to develop, you need equipment. And all this rests on the scale of production - it is in them (scale) that the prime cost is "buried" ...

      And who will raise - oligarchs or permanent leaders. They need to think about yachts - who has more, about vineyards, how it is more convenient to manage money. And when nothing is stolen, but something needs to be organized - they need it!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 March 2021 14: 13
    -2
    Of course, the GDP will say and do. That's how it is with us.
  • 123456789
    123456789 3 March 2021 15: 15
    +2
    Chubais - for composites hi
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 March 2021 15: 58
    +2
    Quote: prior
    After 45 years of work experience, I never fly on it.

    I'm about to die, but this rye ...
  • Alf
    Alf 3 March 2021 19: 39
    +2
    a shortage of Russian raw materials proper, the absence of Russian equipment for the production of composites, competition from imported materials, a shortage of highly specialized specialists, gaps in regulatory documents.

    An immodest question - who allowed this state of affairs? Who admitted that "we will sell oil and buy everything"? The faces at the top are the same ...
  • certero
    certero 4 March 2021 00: 04
    -2
    read an article - as if from the Soviet press of the seventies. We will catch up and overtake everything that is unique and unparalleled here.
  • Ugochaves
    Ugochaves 4 March 2021 05: 18
    +1
    Quote: 123456789
    Chubais - for composites

    Only compost will come out of it wassat
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 4 March 2021 10: 10
    0
    Figovo presents itself as "a 2 gram plate with a width of 5 mm is capable of withstanding a load weighing more than 500 kg." Can we only do 5mm or is there something real?

    SuperMaterials of 1-5 mm in the world of dofig, videos on the internet are common.
    The price of the issue? Production price? Is it possible to produce volumes?

    For example, glass Batavian tears have been known for a long time, supposedly they can withstand a bullet, but they don't make anything out of them ...
  • Operator
    Operator 4 March 2021 10: 59
    -2
    A strip of composite material "Aristar-E" 10 mm wide and 5 mm thick with a specific gravity of 2 g / cc can withstand a tensile load of 625 kgf



    PS Those who do not want to fly the MC-21 can crawl to the cemetery.
  • Irbiz123
    Irbiz123 4 March 2021 12: 07
    0
    Well, yes, so that they are not strong with nickel and oil and gas ...
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 4 March 2021 12: 14
    0
    The problem is the same - we have invented, created, but we cannot launch, finance, narrow specialists, etc.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 4 March 2021 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: Alexey-74
      The problem is the same - we have invented, created, but we cannot launch, finance, narrow specialists, etc.

      If for the development of new oil or gas fields, the money would be found instantly. And if the prime minister cannot find money for such a necessary matter, then this is sabotage.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 4 March 2021 14: 47
    +1
    = there is an Action Plan (roadmap) =
    Why are the words in brackets here? An ordinary person who knows Russian, even spoken, understands the word "plan" and understands the word "events" and understands the phrase "action plan". The same person reading "road" will ask the question - what kind of road are we talking about? About a country road, a highway, a railway? What "map"? Playing, geographic or some other kind? The roadmap is an imprecise definition of what is meant. Why is it?
    1. Alf
      Alf 4 March 2021 16: 56
      +2
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Why is it?

      So that no one could understand what was said and what was meant.
  • loaln
    loaln 5 March 2021 13: 07
    0
    Until they make a composite language, there will be no consistency in words and deeds.
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 6 March 2021 00: 32
    0
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Quote: steel maker
    Russia can do everything in a single copy. And the state has no money for mass production.

    This doesn't seem to be about the money. Manturov recently gathered to produce composites for our aircraft in the UAE

    That's right!
    And there is someone to learn from, and call this business import substitution.
    The main thing is the right labels
    glue:
    "As it became known to Kommersant, in the criminal case on alleged fraud for 6,7 billion rubles. In the supply of radio stations R-187-P1 Azart to the Russian Armed Forces, not only the investigative body has changed, but also the direction of the investigation."

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4712794
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 6 March 2021 07: 03
    +1
    Replace import? ..., yes it is quite possible, but not feasible under the modern regime. The issue of import substitution is a political issue, the Kremlin, with all its intentions, simply will not allow this ..., the process of import substitution will be encouraged in every way in words, but real import substitution will not be allowed ... here the key word is process ...
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 6 March 2021 08: 07
    0
    Quote: prior
    Didn't you like my comment?
    And this is just a cry from the soul of an old techie.
    My fingerprints were on the control panels of Mir station. And your?
    Regarding the MS-21. Why design an aircraft for technologies that do not exist?
    In general, life is good. Yesterday, Sobyanin's pension supplement was transferred, as much as 1350 rubles. Here I sit and think where to fly.


    You got at least something from Sobyanin. and we have peace and quiet in the Urals. Only the people are leaving the virus.

    I go to the forest with sticks made of composites. How many years have passed, Teflon mugs have disappeared, and at least henna sticks. Do not be ill and all the best ...
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 7 March 2021 19: 28
    +1
    We have become so rich that we have doctors, engineers and other specialists working in chain stores. Today a video appeared in the local newspaper about an abandoned factory, which covers an area of ​​55 hectares. They are looking for investors to build houses and squares. All this is not bad. But construction should not be an end in itself. They will build, and people will look for work on the side. Unas build mainly large enterprises, and do not pay attention to the enterprises of the completing direction. But a large enterprise, he is both a reaper and a blacksmith ... I somehow opened my passport Overseas machining center. I counted 30 companies that supply components to the finishing plant. This is both employment, it is also quality. Not every company can withstand the competition.